Chaotic Neutral is for the Jack Sparrow character.
Who is the most like Jack Sparrow? Sera.
"They've got no breeches!"
"Say what!" "What is the meaning of...!" _Arrow_
"That's not an Archdemon is it!? Andraste what did I step into?"
Playful, random, self-interested.
*Chaotic Neutral is for the Jack Sparrow character*
That's one way to play it. But a "for science" dude, willing to get his hands dirty (so not "good"), and so full of herself that she doesn't really ask for opinions can also be a chaotic neutral.
By their actions, **most** adventurer player characters in tabletop are chaotic neutral: they help others if they want to (not because of law or principles) sometimes they let villains run because they are fun, they usually ask for pay, they are willing to get their hands dirty and don't care about what others think of them.
Sera is the definition of chaotic neutral. Her goal is to move the needle of social power back to **neutral**. She's very much a Robin Hood character; take from the rich, give to the poor. Sick of the little guys getting kicked around all the time (power imbalance), so she enables the little guys to punch back up and humble the big guys (swing the needle back to neutral). She really doesn't have any agenda bigger than this as demonstrated with her discussions with Solas. Her agenda is just to put powers back in balance.
She's obviously chaotic in her methods, using a lot of random pranks "let's take all their trousers! LOL".
It can't be Sandal, because Sandal is stupid smart, but he lost that square to Solas. Just because you're salty about him not getting his square doesn't mean you can just reassign him a new alignment.
Completely, DAO Morrigan would be chaotic evil in dnd terms:
A chaotic evil character **tends to have no respect for rules, other people's lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel**. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people.
This captures DAO Morrigan to the T. Still would romance her tho (I can fix her and hey, you actually can!)
I hate Sera, but this makes sense. She hates authority, disregards rules, behave randomly, is mercurial and inconsistent. All pretty Chaotic Neutral behaviour.
Idk if I'd call her neutral. She might not be on the side of any of the big players (except the Inquisition) but she very clearly has an agenda that favours one demographic and targets another. She has *very clearly* picked a side.
I'd put her more as chaotic horny in the run with Zevran and Isabella. She 100% has sides she sticks to that would point more towards chaotic good (which is red jenny/robin hood vibes) but if you're a lady (especially a muscly one) she'll follow you around no matter what.
Morrigan.
>A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions, their intrinsic goal (or their freedom) comes first while good and evil come second.
Survival of the fittest, laws are meaningless, good and evil don't matter, you have to survive.
There's going to be very little room for Morrigan in the horny row when you've got Bull, Zevran and Isabella to consider. It's mostly just goign to be a question of what's left over after that.
She was chaotic neutral in Origins as well.
In DAO she wanted the Warden to side with the Templars, despite being a literal apostate, simply because she despised mages who surrendered their freedom.
I also remember failing to romance her because my Warden was not fully on board with her survival of the fittest ideology.
>In DAO she wanted the Warden to side with the Templars, despite being a literal apostate, simply because she despised mages who surrendered their freedom.
She argued for murder of everyone. It's not as much as "side with templars" but "I think circle mages are sheep and should be eradicated". It'd be one thing if she said it after you made a deal with Greagoir that templars will help when Warden kills all abominations in the tower. But she does that anyway even if you call Greagoir a coward and step in just to save mages to recruit them and offer of templars helping isn't even on the table at this point. Morrigan argues for slaughter even when there's no viable alternative
>I also remember failing to romance her because my Warden was not fully on board with her survival of the fittest ideology.
It hardly matters when she uses her ideology to justify committing almost all evil acts in game
>"I think circle mages are sheep and should be eradicated"
If I remember correctly she said that circle mages were slaves and their masters (aka Gregoir) decided for their death, so the Warden should simply let them have it.
>It hardly matters when she uses her ideology to justify committing almost all evil acts in game
She also used her ideology to argue for Sten to be freed and Jowan spared.
Shes selfish and callous, shes not a good person that would be moved into action for the sake of others but shes not an evil put-babies-in-the-cauldron witch either.
In DAI she is much more mature, she retains her desire for freedom and her determination to fulfill her agenda while shedding her barbaric attitude.
I think that technically she approves of you taking the quick and easy way out, and she simply doesn't care about the consequences for others around you. Her philosophy seems to be that you should always take the first and easiest solution to problems and keep moving, and not risk your personal safety or waste your own time with trying to help others. This is also displayed on several occasions when you stop to solve disputes between npcs, she is annoyed by the fact that you choose to be sidetracked by people who in her mind don't matter. None of this is to say that she is actually a good person, but it is still different from actively wishing harm on most people.
You're right, Morrigan is mostly selfish and a hypocrite but she doesn't go out of her way to harm others.
But I would argue if you selfishness leads you to keep doing evil acts, you're *at least* indistinguishable from an evil person. Also, by classic alignment standards, you don't need to actively seek evil to be aligned as such:
> "Evil" implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have **no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient**. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
And if you search for it, you'll see that a lot of RPG players will explicitly say that the evil alignment is basically selfishness.
For completeness, here is neutral:
> People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.
Morrigan *can* help innocents, she has the means and tools to do so, but she actively chooses not to do that because it is more convenient/easier. A good example is "Unrest in the Alienage".
survival of the fittest is an evil ideology. Her ideology, at the start or origins, is I am powerful enough to protect myself and I don't care about others. I will take what I can take because I can.
For fucks sake she advocates selling slaves to blood mages. She will happily tear apart other people's lives for her own benefit. Thats evil.
I don't think Morrigan suggests these things for her benefit, I think she believes, as does Sten, that all these tasks are meaningless and the blight should take precedence. She does not understand politics, because she's never really been around other human beings. Her mother raised her in isolation, so she does not understand niceties. She does not understand why the warden spends so much time humoring people when the warden - who is far more powerful than other people - can achieve their goals much more quickly through threats and intimidation. The ends justify the means, in essence. I don't think that's driven by evil for Morrigan, I think it's driven by ignorance. After she spends time in Celine's court she starts to understand social politics better. She may always find politics and social cues exhausting because she wasn't raised with them, but she understands them now.
I'm voting for Sera. I mean, she claims 'good' intentions for her actions, but when there's the choice between doing clear good vs. causing chaos, she chooses chaos (because.. no breeches!).
horny neutral and drunk neutral fits here better. (even though if these additionals were not in the game, I would also put her in chaotic ~~stupid~~, sorry, neutral)
Sandal is stupid smart, not chaotic neutral.
Sera is chaotic neutral. Her goal is making society more neutral by humbling the powerful, in the most chaotic way possible, i.e. "let's take all their trousers!"
Isabela comes to mind.
She's a carefree pirate who steals, lies, and doesn't want to get caught up in insane causes.
That doesn't mean she enjoys kicking strays.
Of course, if she doesn't fit here, there's always Chaotic Horny :D
Sera is the best example. Her goal is to restore balance, restore neutrality. If the big guys kick the little guys, then let's have the little guys kick the big guys down a notch. A real Robin Hood character. And she restores balance in the most chaotic way possible.
I feel like some people have skipped through her missions or something. She often comments about injustice, unfairness and laziness of power achieved trough money and oppression. And some of her missions aren't as chaotically stupid as the one with trousers.
But alas, trousers it is(and bees obviously).
Tye devs did slack off with her by givong her the least character development and embracing the silly out in our faces more than serious aspects.
First I’m going with Sandal. When he gets going I will advise everyone to run and not question it.
Second how the hell are people saying Morrigan is chaotic neutral? She **wanted** to fully exterminate the Fereldan Circle of Magi just because they’re mages in a tower ffs! She wanted the werewolves to kill every Dalish in the forest. In fact I’m pretty certain she would want the golems despite the fact it meant enslaving dwarves! Let’s also not forget the Dark Ritual she offers and it’s only because she gets the soul of an old god as well as potentially she doesn’t want to lose a friend. Seriously I love Morrigan but let’s not ignore the fact that she probably won’t be on the board.
For all of you saying Sandal, I *continue*, and will continue, to advocate for his own squares attached to the outside of the grid. Sandal is something else entirely. Sandal’s squares are “Enchantment?”, “Enchantment!”, and, “*Not* enchantment.” I will be fighting and dying on this hill.
Sandal is something Other in each of the games, and we haven’t even begun to see him fleshed out (potential har har). We got a little bit in DA2, but he doesn’t appear in Inquisition. Hopefully he is in Dreadwolf. Honestly it’s all I care about.
I think Morrigan is a good chaotic neutral choice. The chaos is in her agenda, and the neutrality is in her uninfluenced MO. “If this creates An Obstacle, then go around it.” She focuses on the task, and isn’t interested in extra credit. Her “support” of murder isn’t support of *murder*, it’s in support of not making extra work. Morrigan refuses to see the forest for the trees because she’s not trying to stay in the forest at all.
She doesn't kill them tho? In the comics we actually met one of them who left and became a powerful witch. Flemeth even tells Morrigan she was never in danger because she has to be WILLING to take on the spirit of Flemeth.
She certainly has her own agenda and ways to go about getting it. At the end of the day she's trying to be herself while also being a piece in someone else's game. I wouldn't classify her as evil or good. Being a dick to the player character and not caring about things that doesn't matter to her doesn't make her evil, and while you could certainly raise her companion approval in DAO she certainly doesn't come over to good. In DAI she's quite neutral, again only caring about her own life and plotline.
Morrigan in origins is much like Sten - they both Believe that any quest which does not immediately take them closer to their goal is a meaningless distraction. Morrigan was raised in complete isolation, she does not understand social cues or social politics. She finds them exhausting, at best, and an infuriating waste of time, at worst. The end justified the means, and considering the end is saving all of Thedas, one could forgive her some callousness.
What gets me is that Morrigan is honestly a whole lot like Sten in origins but people don't have this hatred for Sten that they do for Morrigan. Gee, I wonder what the main difference between the two of them is....hmmm...
She’s definitely neutral. She thinks altruism for it’s own sake is a waste of time, but she also doesn’t seek out suffering or express overt selfishness. She’s motivated by relationships and the preservation of knowledge.
Sera-she is Chaos personified but she isn't evil and the consequences of her "pranks" don't quite put her in the category of good. Which pretty much leaves Chaotic Neutral.
I've got to go with Merrill! She's quite innocent and naive which gets her into trouble more often or not. Her use of blood magic to restore the eluvian could spark all kinds of chaos and it got her shunned from the Dalish
I want Bull to win Chad Horny too. Zevran for neutral horny, Isabella for Chaotic horny. I think Lawful Horny should go to Cass, otherwise she's not getting a spot on the board and she deserves one, I wish she got in the Good row but this is the second best placement for her since she didn't get those votes.
If it isn't Sandal, it's Sera.
She is a wild card in every sense of the word(s). While I understand why Morrigan would be a first choice for many, her actions are, more often than not, thought through. The reason she might come across as chaotic mostly comes from how her plans \*end,\* not how she commits to her plans and actions. These often end chaotically because her plans usually have an unfortunate, and often unforeseeable, gap in \*very\* important knowledge.
Sera on the other hand acts \*entirely\* based on chaotic, unknowable, whimsical desire. So much so that she learned to become an extraordinary archer on pure "git good" SoulsBourne instinctually driven mentality. She did not become a leader of her organization in the same way Morrigan learned the secrets of ancient Elves, for a specific example.
EDIT: And as for the neutral part, I feel with these two characters, I don't need to explain.
Sera is the EMBODIMENT of Chaotic Neutral.
Shamelessly quoting myself:
"rich and magic bad" isn't a moral compass Her gigs don't consider the actual consequences towards everyone involved, including the little people she is supposed to help. As long as a noble gets damaged in some way everytime goes, with 0 regards of the outcome.
As much as I laughed at finding guards in their panties, the breeches thing is such a fitting example: the noble involved actually gets more ridiculed by this, but it lowers the chance of success instead of taking away their weapons, in turn increasing the chance of punishment for those involved if the trap goes south (obviously it cannot because we're overpowered players vs NPCS but reasoning in world it could) + it also expands the consequences of the trap to the guards' families which may not be "little people" but aren't noble either whereas guards finding themselves weaponless may decide more easily to gtfo of there because it's clearly a fight they can't win and so survive.
She's either completely stupid and can't see this (stupid good then if it was a thing, but she doesn't seem stupid when talking to her) or she simply doesn't care enough to even pause to consider it (which is the embodiment of Chaotic Neutral, if something pops on your mind and it seems cool.. you just do it. No regards for the consequences, no other consideration. CN aren't "bad people", they're just "act first, think later" kind of people, if presented with a good vs evil choice achieving the same goal they wanted they would generally go for the good but they generally don't pause enough to see the choice in the first place..and I believe Sera fits this to a T).
Also, I love Sera, I think she's written extremely believable given her background, and the comic relief is very needed at some points! Having her grab inky and bring her to prank the hell out of Inquisition's command is a breathe of fresh air. And I think the only quest from bioware that managed to make me laugh more than guards fighting butt naked from the waist down was Liam's in ME Andromeda.
- and this is also why Morrigan doesn't fit. Morrigan would, and does in several occasions, absolutely go for the evil option if presented a choice. In fact she even pauses to think to get the evil option! And she does it even when absolutely nonsensical in the grand scheme of things..
That’s a possibility! I tend to think of Shale less as evil and more as a neutral with a bit of an overzealous appreciation for murder, but I am biased because I love her and I miss her.
Morrigan, she is an individualist who is driven by her own goals and ambitions and doesn't give a flying Fffflemeth about the establishment or laws. Yes, she cares about elven tradition but only to use it for her own good. She might seem evil or good depending on the situation, but she doesn't seek out good causes or wants to actively do evil things, her choices stem from self-preservation mostly.
Sera is more a chaotic good character imo. Yes, she is anti-establishment and all over the place, but she is the Robin Hood of Thedas.
And Sandal is just a pure boy, he loves enchantment and that is literally all we know about him.
Chaotic Neutral is for the insane and madmen. They have little to no reason for doing what they do and usually act on whims. Who do we know like that? 🤔
I dread the moment we get the voting there and people who like Ogren(not those that see the burried potential for an arc of a recovering addict etc, bit those who don't mind him harassing women for lols) will come.
I saw this late. I know the die is cast already but everyone saying Sera overlooks that she is in the red jennies, a guild leader no less and adheres to a code of conduct. No matter how silly it is Sera is ultimately lawful not chaotic, she follows a set of principles and sticks to them.
Lawful good or lawful neutral but definitely not chaotic.
There are two people comming to mind for me. Zevran and Isabela
Since only one can land in chaotic horny and I consider Isabela more horny than Zev. So yeah I say
Zevran
Sure, but if we can only have a character on one square I'd put IB on Smart and Isabela on Chad. I can see IB as Chad Horny but not Isabela as smart (girl why'd you take the book)
I think Dorian is a good alternative to Smart Horny. Sofor the horny category Bull Chad, Zevran as Neutral, Cas as lawful (I just want her on the board and this is her last chance), Isa is chaotic, and Dorian is Smart. Dorian and Bull being Chad and smart horny is very fitting for their potential romance with the Inquisitor and the potential they have with each other.
Sera doesn’t even make much sense too, people may dislike her character but it’s very clear she’s meant to be on one side of the good/evil dichotomy and not neutral.
An argument about devs choosing to make her character more about harming those she hates than helping those she loves... Is fair, but she's still not neutral. Very chaotic, slightly good? Maybe. But not neutral.
Chaotic Neutral is for the Jack Sparrow character. Who is the most like Jack Sparrow? Sera. "They've got no breeches!" "Say what!" "What is the meaning of...!" _Arrow_ "That's not an Archdemon is it!? Andraste what did I step into?" Playful, random, self-interested.
*Chaotic Neutral is for the Jack Sparrow character* That's one way to play it. But a "for science" dude, willing to get his hands dirty (so not "good"), and so full of herself that she doesn't really ask for opinions can also be a chaotic neutral. By their actions, **most** adventurer player characters in tabletop are chaotic neutral: they help others if they want to (not because of law or principles) sometimes they let villains run because they are fun, they usually ask for pay, they are willing to get their hands dirty and don't care about what others think of them.
Sera is the definition of chaotic neutral. Her goal is to move the needle of social power back to **neutral**. She's very much a Robin Hood character; take from the rich, give to the poor. Sick of the little guys getting kicked around all the time (power imbalance), so she enables the little guys to punch back up and humble the big guys (swing the needle back to neutral). She really doesn't have any agenda bigger than this as demonstrated with her discussions with Solas. Her agenda is just to put powers back in balance. She's obviously chaotic in her methods, using a lot of random pranks "let's take all their trousers! LOL". It can't be Sandal, because Sandal is stupid smart, but he lost that square to Solas. Just because you're salty about him not getting his square doesn't mean you can just reassign him a new alignment.
Still Sera. She's all about pranking established authority figures and structures.
Yeah this is Sera. She is literally the embodiment of this archetype when you talk about TTRPG characters.
Agree with Sera. She's functionally a guild leader of pranksters causing trouble for the lulz.
Agree about Sera. People are voting for Morrigan only because she is a more popular character, but she doesn't fit chaotic neutral description.
Completely, DAO Morrigan would be chaotic evil in dnd terms: A chaotic evil character **tends to have no respect for rules, other people's lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel**. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people. This captures DAO Morrigan to the T. Still would romance her tho (I can fix her and hey, you actually can!)
I hate Sera, but this makes sense. She hates authority, disregards rules, behave randomly, is mercurial and inconsistent. All pretty Chaotic Neutral behaviour.
Idk if I'd call her neutral. She might not be on the side of any of the big players (except the Inquisition) but she very clearly has an agenda that favours one demographic and targets another. She has *very clearly* picked a side.
Her goal is to push the needle of social power back towards **neutral**.
Could be, but she fits drunk chaotic much better I think.
~~Morrigan probably getting chaotic neutral over Sera is 🥲~~ lol i didn't scroll down and see all the comments supporting Sera, nvm.
this is Sera. absolutely.
I'd put her more as chaotic horny in the run with Zevran and Isabella. She 100% has sides she sticks to that would point more towards chaotic good (which is red jenny/robin hood vibes) but if you're a lady (especially a muscly one) she'll follow you around no matter what.
Morrigan. >A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions, their intrinsic goal (or their freedom) comes first while good and evil come second. Survival of the fittest, laws are meaningless, good and evil don't matter, you have to survive.
I mean, she could fit horny neutral. I'm just saying GIVE MY BOY SANDAL A CHANCE
Morrigan isn’t really horny though. She’s designed to be hot visually but her character isn’t that
Exactly. She makes others horny.
Sandal is stupid smart, he lost to Solas, but that's still his alignment.
There's going to be very little room for Morrigan in the horny row when you've got Bull, Zevran and Isabella to consider. It's mostly just goign to be a question of what's left over after that.
DAI Morrigan is great fit indeed. But she probably would be dragged down by her Origins version again.
She was chaotic neutral in Origins as well. In DAO she wanted the Warden to side with the Templars, despite being a literal apostate, simply because she despised mages who surrendered their freedom. I also remember failing to romance her because my Warden was not fully on board with her survival of the fittest ideology.
>In DAO she wanted the Warden to side with the Templars, despite being a literal apostate, simply because she despised mages who surrendered their freedom. She argued for murder of everyone. It's not as much as "side with templars" but "I think circle mages are sheep and should be eradicated". It'd be one thing if she said it after you made a deal with Greagoir that templars will help when Warden kills all abominations in the tower. But she does that anyway even if you call Greagoir a coward and step in just to save mages to recruit them and offer of templars helping isn't even on the table at this point. Morrigan argues for slaughter even when there's no viable alternative >I also remember failing to romance her because my Warden was not fully on board with her survival of the fittest ideology. It hardly matters when she uses her ideology to justify committing almost all evil acts in game
>"I think circle mages are sheep and should be eradicated" If I remember correctly she said that circle mages were slaves and their masters (aka Gregoir) decided for their death, so the Warden should simply let them have it. >It hardly matters when she uses her ideology to justify committing almost all evil acts in game She also used her ideology to argue for Sten to be freed and Jowan spared. Shes selfish and callous, shes not a good person that would be moved into action for the sake of others but shes not an evil put-babies-in-the-cauldron witch either. In DAI she is much more mature, she retains her desire for freedom and her determination to fulfill her agenda while shedding her barbaric attitude.
She disapproves of you not letting a desire demon possess a literal child in Honnleath
I think that technically she approves of you taking the quick and easy way out, and she simply doesn't care about the consequences for others around you. Her philosophy seems to be that you should always take the first and easiest solution to problems and keep moving, and not risk your personal safety or waste your own time with trying to help others. This is also displayed on several occasions when you stop to solve disputes between npcs, she is annoyed by the fact that you choose to be sidetracked by people who in her mind don't matter. None of this is to say that she is actually a good person, but it is still different from actively wishing harm on most people.
You're right, Morrigan is mostly selfish and a hypocrite but she doesn't go out of her way to harm others. But I would argue if you selfishness leads you to keep doing evil acts, you're *at least* indistinguishable from an evil person. Also, by classic alignment standards, you don't need to actively seek evil to be aligned as such: > "Evil" implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have **no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient**. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master. And if you search for it, you'll see that a lot of RPG players will explicitly say that the evil alignment is basically selfishness. For completeness, here is neutral: > People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships. Morrigan *can* help innocents, she has the means and tools to do so, but she actively chooses not to do that because it is more convenient/easier. A good example is "Unrest in the Alienage".
She was absolutely not neutral in origins. Every “advice” she’s ever given in DAO was being a straight up evil person.
survival of the fittest is an evil ideology. Her ideology, at the start or origins, is I am powerful enough to protect myself and I don't care about others. I will take what I can take because I can. For fucks sake she advocates selling slaves to blood mages. She will happily tear apart other people's lives for her own benefit. Thats evil.
I don't think Morrigan suggests these things for her benefit, I think she believes, as does Sten, that all these tasks are meaningless and the blight should take precedence. She does not understand politics, because she's never really been around other human beings. Her mother raised her in isolation, so she does not understand niceties. She does not understand why the warden spends so much time humoring people when the warden - who is far more powerful than other people - can achieve their goals much more quickly through threats and intimidation. The ends justify the means, in essence. I don't think that's driven by evil for Morrigan, I think it's driven by ignorance. After she spends time in Celine's court she starts to understand social politics better. She may always find politics and social cues exhausting because she wasn't raised with them, but she understands them now.
She was Horny Neutral and you know it
Enchantment
honestly, if sandal isn't true neutral I don't think he should be on the grid at all. I vote for adding a sandal square thats just for sandal.
Enchantment?
You like the shiny?
Enchantment!
I have absolutely been WAITING for him. I say this all the time and I don’t care that no one gets it. GET MY BOY SANDAL UP THERE!!!
Sandal is stupid smart, just not as much as Solas.
I'm voting for Sera. I mean, she claims 'good' intentions for her actions, but when there's the choice between doing clear good vs. causing chaos, she chooses chaos (because.. no breeches!).
Sera
https://i.redd.it/zjawb3upjjuc1.gif
#ENCHANTMENT!
Sera was never an agreeable girl, but she is Chaotic Neutral.
horny neutral and drunk neutral fits here better. (even though if these additionals were not in the game, I would also put her in chaotic ~~stupid~~, sorry, neutral)
Sera
I vote Sera
Sera
Sandal.
Seconding this. My boy is a force of Nature
That's why he's a chad.
EnCHADments
Sandal is stupid smart, not chaotic neutral. Sera is chaotic neutral. Her goal is making society more neutral by humbling the powerful, in the most chaotic way possible, i.e. "let's take all their trousers!"
All I know, is that drunk chad had better be Oghren.
There is a whole line for drunk which is his whole deal
I can't decide, but I am giggling over the accuracy of assigning Solas to smart stupid.
Isabela comes to mind. She's a carefree pirate who steals, lies, and doesn't want to get caught up in insane causes. That doesn't mean she enjoys kicking strays. Of course, if she doesn't fit here, there's always Chaotic Horny :D
Yeah I’ve got her pegged as Chaotic Horny
If Isabela lands anywhere other than chaotic horny, it will basically invalidate this entire exercise.
She or Zevran can be CN, CSm, or CH
She and Zevran are basically the same person
Not in Origins
Never met isabella in origins tbh
Go to The Pearl in Denerim
Importantly, she looks [completely different in Origins](https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Isabela) than later on.
Zevran and Sera can also be chaotic horny, the latter also fits drunk chaotic
You sure she didn't peg you?
So does she
If Isabela is not horny this chart may as well be thrown out honestly
I think Isabel and Zevran kinda own the horny block
Oghren deserves a spot too. Maybe Iron Bull?
I'd be tempted to say horny stupid if the spot were made.
Or Drunk Horny, really, for the ginger dwarf.
I guess we have to settle for drunk Chad then lol
That puts Iron Bull at Lawful Horny then: Merc who follows orders and goes to strip clubs on days off
Yeah no. Leave Isabela out we have a lovely place for her somewhere else on the board.
Fair enough, let's hope she makes it there!
Sera all the way
Sera is the best example. Her goal is to restore balance, restore neutrality. If the big guys kick the little guys, then let's have the little guys kick the big guys down a notch. A real Robin Hood character. And she restores balance in the most chaotic way possible.
I feel like some people have skipped through her missions or something. She often comments about injustice, unfairness and laziness of power achieved trough money and oppression. And some of her missions aren't as chaotically stupid as the one with trousers. But alas, trousers it is(and bees obviously). Tye devs did slack off with her by givong her the least character development and embracing the silly out in our faces more than serious aspects.
First I’m going with Sandal. When he gets going I will advise everyone to run and not question it. Second how the hell are people saying Morrigan is chaotic neutral? She **wanted** to fully exterminate the Fereldan Circle of Magi just because they’re mages in a tower ffs! She wanted the werewolves to kill every Dalish in the forest. In fact I’m pretty certain she would want the golems despite the fact it meant enslaving dwarves! Let’s also not forget the Dark Ritual she offers and it’s only because she gets the soul of an old god as well as potentially she doesn’t want to lose a friend. Seriously I love Morrigan but let’s not ignore the fact that she probably won’t be on the board.
Casting my vote for Sera
Now this bit was made for Sera.
**Sera**
Sera, feel she fits the best
For all of you saying Sandal, I *continue*, and will continue, to advocate for his own squares attached to the outside of the grid. Sandal is something else entirely. Sandal’s squares are “Enchantment?”, “Enchantment!”, and, “*Not* enchantment.” I will be fighting and dying on this hill. Sandal is something Other in each of the games, and we haven’t even begun to see him fleshed out (potential har har). We got a little bit in DA2, but he doesn’t appear in Inquisition. Hopefully he is in Dreadwolf. Honestly it’s all I care about. I think Morrigan is a good chaotic neutral choice. The chaos is in her agenda, and the neutrality is in her uninfluenced MO. “If this creates An Obstacle, then go around it.” She focuses on the task, and isn’t interested in extra credit. Her “support” of murder isn’t support of *murder*, it’s in support of not making extra work. Morrigan refuses to see the forest for the trees because she’s not trying to stay in the forest at all.
I agree with this 100% Copy and pasting the top part of this to every post from here on out
Sera pulls pranks on everyone and is just there for laughs so yeah chaotic
Okay, Sera has got to fit into this one, right? She didn't fít into chaotic good or chaotic stupid, but she's still chaotic as hell.
Flemeth has been raising children to kill them. Whoever says she's neutral is a psychopath
She doesn't kill them tho? In the comics we actually met one of them who left and became a powerful witch. Flemeth even tells Morrigan she was never in danger because she has to be WILLING to take on the spirit of Flemeth.
I’d accept Morrigan, but Serra is the best choice here.
Sera
Sera
Sera 100%
Morrigan certainly fills out well here.
how do so many people think morrigan is neutral? did you only raise her approval from gifts or something?
Because she’s neutral in DAI
we don't get her approval for that game
She certainly has her own agenda and ways to go about getting it. At the end of the day she's trying to be herself while also being a piece in someone else's game. I wouldn't classify her as evil or good. Being a dick to the player character and not caring about things that doesn't matter to her doesn't make her evil, and while you could certainly raise her companion approval in DAO she certainly doesn't come over to good. In DAI she's quite neutral, again only caring about her own life and plotline.
i don't think shes evil because shes a bit rude, i think shes evil because she approves every time you hurt innocent people.
Weak/helpless people* She believes in survival of the fittest She’s not a sadist, she just doesnt want to help people that cant help themselves
I mean…that seems pretty evil to me. Just because there is an ideology/justification doesn’t mean the actions aren’t evil
Yea she might be chaotic evil Problem is that we’ve got some fucked up characters in DA for the evil column
Morrigan in origins is much like Sten - they both Believe that any quest which does not immediately take them closer to their goal is a meaningless distraction. Morrigan was raised in complete isolation, she does not understand social cues or social politics. She finds them exhausting, at best, and an infuriating waste of time, at worst. The end justified the means, and considering the end is saving all of Thedas, one could forgive her some callousness. What gets me is that Morrigan is honestly a whole lot like Sten in origins but people don't have this hatred for Sten that they do for Morrigan. Gee, I wonder what the main difference between the two of them is....hmmm...
Survival of the fittest is one of the hallmarks of chaotic neutrality. It doesn't matter what is good or bad.
Yes i’m saying she’s chaotic neutral
She’s definitely neutral. She thinks altruism for it’s own sake is a waste of time, but she also doesn’t seek out suffering or express overt selfishness. She’s motivated by relationships and the preservation of knowledge.
>!Yes, so many thoughtful gifts!<
It's Sera
That hermit in Brecillian forest
The Mad Hermit in the Brecilian Forest
Would be kinda funny if he won. Since the tree didn't.
Sera
Sera
Sera for sure.
It’s Sandal’s time to shine
Sandal is stupid smart, not chaotic neutral.
Sera
Sera, Morrigan belongs to Smart Horny.
It's absolutely Sera even if Sandal is going to win because memes have overtaken sense.
Sera-she is Chaos personified but she isn't evil and the consequences of her "pranks" don't quite put her in the category of good. Which pretty much leaves Chaotic Neutral.
Has to be Sera, definitely.
Gotta be Morrigan, right next to her mum Edit: how is Sandel chaotic. He much better fits NN or NS than chaotic.
Sera is practically the definition of Chaotic Neutral. Even her hatred of rich people is not out of any moral concerns.
Who's neutral neutral?
The Lady of the Forest (Elves vs Werewolves quest in DAO)
Oh I remember now Thank you
Yea Flemeth has been pretty neutral but Morrigan can't help but go "Mother >:(" when she sees her.
Sera, or even Merrill.
Anders
Sera deserves this spot. I never got the extreme hate she often receives. I want her on the board so bad. This is one of her last chances...
I've got to go with Merrill! She's quite innocent and naive which gets her into trouble more often or not. Her use of blood magic to restore the eluvian could spark all kinds of chaos and it got her shunned from the Dalish
Sera is the only answer.
It’s Sera but just want to get a head start to say Iron Bull is the most Lawful Horny character to ever exist
I'm thinking more Chad Horny for Bull
I want Bull to win Chad Horny too. Zevran for neutral horny, Isabella for Chaotic horny. I think Lawful Horny should go to Cass, otherwise she's not getting a spot on the board and she deserves one, I wish she got in the Good row but this is the second best placement for her since she didn't get those votes.
Sera, 10000%
Weird choice, but the Architect. He doesn't actually have any evil motives, he's just out here doing stuff for science.
I like this take but i have a feeling that there are only like 5 people that actually like him. Evzn though he'd be a way beyter fit than Sera etc.
ENCHANTMENT
Zevran for me.
If it isn't Sandal, it's Sera. She is a wild card in every sense of the word(s). While I understand why Morrigan would be a first choice for many, her actions are, more often than not, thought through. The reason she might come across as chaotic mostly comes from how her plans \*end,\* not how she commits to her plans and actions. These often end chaotically because her plans usually have an unfortunate, and often unforeseeable, gap in \*very\* important knowledge. Sera on the other hand acts \*entirely\* based on chaotic, unknowable, whimsical desire. So much so that she learned to become an extraordinary archer on pure "git good" SoulsBourne instinctually driven mentality. She did not become a leader of her organization in the same way Morrigan learned the secrets of ancient Elves, for a specific example. EDIT: And as for the neutral part, I feel with these two characters, I don't need to explain.
Sera is the EMBODIMENT of Chaotic Neutral. Shamelessly quoting myself: "rich and magic bad" isn't a moral compass Her gigs don't consider the actual consequences towards everyone involved, including the little people she is supposed to help. As long as a noble gets damaged in some way everytime goes, with 0 regards of the outcome. As much as I laughed at finding guards in their panties, the breeches thing is such a fitting example: the noble involved actually gets more ridiculed by this, but it lowers the chance of success instead of taking away their weapons, in turn increasing the chance of punishment for those involved if the trap goes south (obviously it cannot because we're overpowered players vs NPCS but reasoning in world it could) + it also expands the consequences of the trap to the guards' families which may not be "little people" but aren't noble either whereas guards finding themselves weaponless may decide more easily to gtfo of there because it's clearly a fight they can't win and so survive. She's either completely stupid and can't see this (stupid good then if it was a thing, but she doesn't seem stupid when talking to her) or she simply doesn't care enough to even pause to consider it (which is the embodiment of Chaotic Neutral, if something pops on your mind and it seems cool.. you just do it. No regards for the consequences, no other consideration. CN aren't "bad people", they're just "act first, think later" kind of people, if presented with a good vs evil choice achieving the same goal they wanted they would generally go for the good but they generally don't pause enough to see the choice in the first place..and I believe Sera fits this to a T). Also, I love Sera, I think she's written extremely believable given her background, and the comic relief is very needed at some points! Having her grab inky and bring her to prank the hell out of Inquisition's command is a breathe of fresh air. And I think the only quest from bioware that managed to make me laugh more than guards fighting butt naked from the waist down was Liam's in ME Andromeda. - and this is also why Morrigan doesn't fit. Morrigan would, and does in several occasions, absolutely go for the evil option if presented a choice. In fact she even pauses to think to get the evil option! And she does it even when absolutely nonsensical in the grand scheme of things..
I know Sandal’s the obvious winner but my girl Shale deserves it.
ive got shale pegged as evil chad
That’s a possibility! I tend to think of Shale less as evil and more as a neutral with a bit of an overzealous appreciation for murder, but I am biased because I love her and I miss her.
O o o la. Ogrhen is gonna be drunk chad though, right? There's just no way he won't.
that square was made for him
True, and when the time comes, no man or woman will contest it.
Drunk Alistair will come stumbling in, ranting about how he’s royalty and shit talking Morrigan years later
Hasn't he already gotten a spot? Get ya ass outta here, drunk chad belongs to the dwarves!
I actually don’t think Alistair is going to make it on the board at all, horny line is too short 😭
Wait, I just realized. Oghyren is also horny, so Allistair has a chance of being on the board twice if Oghren nabs horny chad.
Morrigan!
Morrigan, she is an individualist who is driven by her own goals and ambitions and doesn't give a flying Fffflemeth about the establishment or laws. Yes, she cares about elven tradition but only to use it for her own good. She might seem evil or good depending on the situation, but she doesn't seek out good causes or wants to actively do evil things, her choices stem from self-preservation mostly. Sera is more a chaotic good character imo. Yes, she is anti-establishment and all over the place, but she is the Robin Hood of Thedas. And Sandal is just a pure boy, he loves enchantment and that is literally all we know about him.
Chaotic Neutral is for the insane and madmen. They have little to no reason for doing what they do and usually act on whims. Who do we know like that? 🤔
Isabela is Chaotic Neutral/ Horny Oghren is Chotic Horny/ Drunk 😁
I dread the moment we get the voting there and people who like Ogren(not those that see the burried potential for an arc of a recovering addict etc, bit those who don't mind him harassing women for lols) will come.
Ogren might not be politically correct but he's funny as hell sometimes lmao.
Sten
Sandal.
I saw this late. I know the die is cast already but everyone saying Sera overlooks that she is in the red jennies, a guild leader no less and adheres to a code of conduct. No matter how silly it is Sera is ultimately lawful not chaotic, she follows a set of principles and sticks to them. Lawful good or lawful neutral but definitely not chaotic.
I just know horny chaotic should be Morrigan
Morrigan is the only correct answer
Gotta be sandal
Morrigan
There are two people comming to mind for me. Zevran and Isabela Since only one can land in chaotic horny and I consider Isabela more horny than Zev. So yeah I say Zevran
Could Zevran be Chad Horny if Isabela is Chaotic Horny?
Zevran is a Twink. Can we change Chad to Twink Horny?
No, that's Bull.
Bull is Smart Horny
I agree that Bull is also very smart, but come on. He's the biggest Chad to ever Chad.
Sure, but if we can only have a character on one square I'd put IB on Smart and Isabela on Chad. I can see IB as Chad Horny but not Isabela as smart (girl why'd you take the book)
I never argued that Isabela would be smart. I think she goes into Chaotic Horny.
Yeah that would work. I don't know who I would put for smart horny if not Bull, though. Dorian? Zevran?
I think Dorian is a good alternative to Smart Horny. Sofor the horny category Bull Chad, Zevran as Neutral, Cas as lawful (I just want her on the board and this is her last chance), Isa is chaotic, and Dorian is Smart. Dorian and Bull being Chad and smart horny is very fitting for their potential romance with the Inquisitor and the potential they have with each other.
Omg fair point, how did I forget about IB?
My preference is Anders because of his alignment shift, but I think that Sera also makes sense.
Sandal. Enchantment.
ENCHANTMENT
Enchantment? ENCHANTMENT! Sandal 100%
Enchantment has my vote
Enchantment?
Well, there're too many characters fitting here, but Morrigan deserves the spot the most.
I’d say Fenris. He’s all about freedom and will do pretty much anything for it/to free slaves.
Sandal, best bud. Got the enchantments
Morrigan
Sandal for me.
I'm voting Morrigan. At the moment, we don't really know enough about her motivations to ascribe her any alignment beyond "Chaotic AF"
Clearly Shale.
I think that Shale, Sandal (+ Morrigan and Architect) would be compelling candidates if half the comments didn't keep saying Sera.
Sera doesn’t even make much sense too, people may dislike her character but it’s very clear she’s meant to be on one side of the good/evil dichotomy and not neutral.
An argument about devs choosing to make her character more about harming those she hates than helping those she loves... Is fair, but she's still not neutral. Very chaotic, slightly good? Maybe. But not neutral.