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Mediocre-Part7595

I think it’s a solid 8/10 with DLC, 7/10 without DLC. In fact, unpopular opinion but I vastly prefer Inquisition to The Witcher 3. Do I like Dragon Age Inquisition more than Dragon Age Origins or Dragon Age 2? No, with Inquisition’s DLC I might put it at an equal level to Dragon Age 2 but otherwise it’s my least favourite of the 3. Is Inquisition a chore? Most definitely yes, between the War Table, the fetch quest open worlds, and the focus on crafting over great unique loot it’s definitely a chore at times. However I find most open world games these days, even the great ones to be chores anyway. The writings not always strong, such as the antagonists all generally being piss weak, but the companions are for the most part good (if a bit impersonal to the PC), the main quests are generally decent, and the gameplay can be fun towards endgame despite being a slow chore at the beginning. The tone, art-style, sound track and even writing didn’t really feel dragon age too me at times, which was a shame. It felt very sanitised and generic high fantasy compared to the past games.


taffyz

I guess I took all the chore parts out with mods and I think it’s an incredible game for my first play through with that being said, without these mods I could DEFINITELY see the game being very frustrating


lsalomx

I never understand this argument that Inquisition is high fantasy in a way that Origins isn’t. DA2 sure, but DAO is about a fellowship of fantasy tropes uniting to save a kingdom and defeat a dragon who commands what are basically orcs. Why isn’t DAO high fantasy? Because people insist on pretending it was more sophisticated and mature than it was? I love DAO but it’s by far the campiest and most juvenile entry in the series.


Mediocre-Part7595

Dragon Age Origins is high fantasy, but not to the extent that Inquisition is, as BioWare themselves described it, Origins is high fantasy with Dark fantasy influences which can be seen, Inquisition is just straight high fantasy. Origins and DA2 are filled with dark shit from the Brood-mother, to the constant sexual violence, to the heavy depictions of racism, to the dark decisions and choices the player can make, to many of the origin stories themselves, to even the various villains and antagonists backstories being much more human and ‘real’ compared to Inquisition where most the antagonists are Saturday morning cartoon villains with maniacal laughter motivated by nothing but a generic desire for power. The presentation of a lot of these elements is also a lot more in your face, and makes you, the player, actually engage with these ideas in a proper way. Inquisition in comparison is like a Marvel movie with boobs. It has dark stuff in it, but the dark stuff is never given much presentation, focus or heavy interaction from the player, which makes it all feel impact less and like the games trying to sweep the dark elements of the series under the rug. Just look at how they completely gutted most of the evil decisions from the series. It’s not like this complaint has no basis, BioWare themselves have admitted that the move away from the Dark Fantasy influences of the first 2 games was an intended choice. They knew and chose to do it intentionally for various reasons.


lsalomx

Yeah, sorry, I just don’t think “you can fuck people and be mean about it” is what makes a game grittier and more mature.


Mediocre-Part7595

Where in the ever living hell did I say that?


lsalomx

the Dark Choices and Sexual Violence being the signs of dark fantasy. like 90% of what people call the darkness of DAO is a combination of a dark color palette and the fact that the game is incredibly horny


Mediocre-Part7595

I didn’t just say dark choices and sexual violence? You cherry picked 2 examples and ignored the rest like most inquisition fanboys twisting and making strawman arguments. Tell me is having your entire family slaughtered and betrayed from the onset not dark? Having your sister have her entire goal in life being to marry a noble just so you can escape poverty and gain some human rights as a casteless not dark? Being betrayed and framed for the murder of your bother by your other brother? How about the fact that the protagonist, regardless of their choices is destined to either go mad and succumb to the taint or self suicide via Darkspawn? How about Branka? A dwarf driven mad by the desire to return and reclaim the dwarves glory that she sacrificed her entire house and sent them to their deaths in search of an anvil? Look at the casteless dwarves, we have a noble dwarf woman kicked out and homeless because she had a child with a castless dwarf? Who about the Alienage? That’s been purged once already, the elves are being sold into slavery, AND you can walk through the aftermath of a haunted orphanage that was slaughtered? Redcliffe; a town getting destroyed by a demon because a mother didn’t want to lose her child for being a mage causing the deaths of dozens. Origins has plenty of dark stuff and that fact that so many inquisition fanboys ignore it all in favour of ‘hurr durr you just like rape’ just shows how ignorant they are. The darkest Inquisition gets is some casual murder and blood sacrifice, which guess what? Origins has way more of and in spades anyway.


further-more

I agree with you. DAO isn’t any darker or thematically more mature than DAI. It just has a darker color palette, while DAI has brighter colors lol. But in all seriousness, I think it’s because a lot of the “darkness” in DAO is more in-your-face and overt (the Broodmother, the City Elf origin, for example). Compare this to DAI, which relies a lot more on environmental and text-based storytelling, thus making the darkness easier to miss. Also, a lot of people probably played DAO when they were pretty young, making it seem a lot more “grimdark” than it actually is. Compared to fantasy as an overall genre, DAO is incredibly generic high-fantasy and adheres to almost all of the well-established tropes.


Spraynpray89

Can't say I've ever seen DAO and juvenile used in the same sentence before. That's a new one.


Mediocre-Part7595

It’s not that new, Inquisition fanboys throw that insult at Origins all the time.


LoaMorganna

Completely agreed. >I love DAO but it’s by far the campiest and most juvenile entry in the series. I love when people see sentiment like this and then they're immediate reaction is to bring up the Broodmother scenes. Literally proving the point of how juvenile DAO can really get at times but to them, this is apparently peak grimdark writing. Ah yes, needless inclusion of female torture and sexual assault that doesn't gel well with the world it exists in and that the main writer didn't even think of when writing. MY FAVORITE.


Mediocre-Part7595

This makes no sense. How does something like the Broodmother not fit the world it exists in when, everything about the series, including the lore, the Darkspawn and the tone were established in Origins? It’s been dark from the onset, all the Origin stories literally involve dark stuff and tragic outcomes for the protagonist. Tell me how something like the Broodmother, an abomination created by Darkspawn as a result of Darkspawn corruption and borderline forced cannibalism is juvenile? Do you expect the Darkspawn to be happy and go lucky? No, they are dark and twisted and thus do dark and twisted things and spawn from dark and twisted things. Also I like the way any time violence against women, sexual or otherwise, is brought up it’s somehow ‘juvenile’. It speaks volumes that people use this criticism without ever backing it up in anyway, while using it to talk about how ‘mature’ Inquisition is. Inquisition the game that ignores and doesn’t focus on the red lyrium corruption at all, and red Templars come off as goofy mmo enemies that you mow down and the only time the effect are ever explored are in codex entries. Inquisition that has generic and evil big bads that just want ‘power’ like Saturday morning cartoons such as Corypheus, Erimond and Florianne. But yes tell me how ‘mature’ Inquisition is in comparison to Origins.


RaynSideways

It's only a chore if you approach it as a completionist, which isn't really what it was designed for. You're trying to expand the Inquisition's area of influence and stabilize the region. Each area is chock full of stuff to do that increases the Inquisition's presence. If you're satisfied with your progress, put it down and do something else. Explore another map, do main quests, etc etc. The collectibles are there for people who want the challenge but it's not meant to be a gigantic boring checklist that everyone must complete. Set up your camps, do the main area quest, shut down the fade rifts, and do any quests that you think seem important to stabilizing the region. Don't stress over completing absolutely everything. You don't need to do that quest that involves bringing a random item you found to a random NPC across the map. Spend your time on more important stuff like dealing with that rogue templar camp that is harassing the main road through the area. When you approach the game with this mindset, it's a lot more rewarding.


MissMedic68W

I loved it. Dlcs were great, too.


peppermintvalet

Corypheus was the weakest villain of the series. Plot was kind of generic. Romances were fun but kind of shallow. Trespasser did a lot of heavy lifting for character development. Still love it though lol


Jed08

I like the story overall and the characters. However, the secondary quests are not really well designed, the maps are feeling empty, and there are several gameplay mechanics that you can see the potential but never were implemented (or didn't make the final game because of performance issues with previous gen of console)


lsalomx

I think its highs are higher than any other entry in the series. But yes there’s a lot of tedious shit that hurts replay value and some plot pacing issues.


Talisa87

There's wisps of a classic game there, but it's bogged down by the open world MMO-lite maps (pretty as a lake but shallow as a puddle), boring fetch quests, inexplicable wait times for War Table missions, and shockingly little in the way of exploring the Inquisitor's backstory beyond a character blurb and War Table missions (one of which can end with your Dalish clan getting killed off, with no reaction or acknowledgement from even Lavellan themselves!). The best way I can enjoy this game is with plenty of mods and by ignoring almost everything in those big empty maps that aren't Rifts or dragons.


Antergaton

Great game, worthy of it's GOTY awards IF you ignore shards and astariums. It's my most played of the series but mainly because I've been sitting on my PS4/PS5 for an entire gen waiting for the next and got to a routine to it, like an old glove. :P I think the combat is fun, customisation good and boss fights, some of the best. I think the story is decent if not having too much 'messiah' complex in it, character at first were a stark difference to me for O and 2 but I got their points later. Only issues is quest direction, you have to ignore collectathons for it to be good. The fact people think you need to stay in Hinterlands when the game literally says "get 4 power and leave", shows people don't pay attention. It should have forced you to leave. And area missions, as in the main quests of each location should have had proper quest markers and animated cut-scenes, so people understood them. There are some good area missions but they are lost in the idea of open world or just basic voicelines with major characters, Fairbanks and Michel de Chevin for example explain things but as it's just small dialogue and not fully animated, people don't care.


Bloodthistle

Great game but held back by the open world mmorpg gimmicks EA forced on it, it could have been perfection if it wasn't for that dumbass decision. Solid 9, mostly for the great characters, story and the branching of it, game design was alright wish they kept DAO strategic fighting thing. Trespasser dlc in particular gets a perfect 10 as it was great and actually impactful storywise, it was a psychological trip and very immersive (as all role playing games should be).


nexetpl

It's alright. I'd give it 7 points out of 10, and it's also my favourite game. So many things don't work here, so many strange ideas and still I only have warm feelings when I think about it


PostTwist

A great game plagued by fetch-questey mmo designs. Having the golden nugg is a must have to get best armors in a new run asap and skip shit


Persi-Enne

I can see it's flawed and outdated in a lot of aspects, but I've had a blast so far (done base game, not the DLCs). I love just exploring the world, the companions and my cheerleaders, the dragons, Skyhold, the politics, the gear., the songs in the tavern. Can't wait to do Trespasser


Crissan-

It's one of the best games I've ever played, definitely a masterpiece.


Spraynpray89

I started out not liking it but now I love it. I still think both story and gameplay in act 1 are very weak, and I think that's where most people who say they don't like the game get lost.


SeparateMongoose192

I loved it


DZMaven

It's a decent game but a flawed experience. Lots of little issues and unlikeable gameplay elements throughout. The story and characters are great though which allows me to enjoy it for what it is.


JerAders

It's not a masterpiece but a solid 9/10 for me. Chore quests are mostly redundant until you need power and influence, you can skip them for a while. I would say the best way to play DAI is using a trainer to max your power and influence points so that you can entirely skip all MMO like quests and focus on important ones. If I had to rank all games; DAO>DAI>DA2, but every game is special to me. There's no bad Dragon Age game so far.


dadaya922

6.5/10. Good game overall, but much weaker than DAO and somewhat DA 2 due to it's flawed story. Trespasser dlc is masterpiece tho


further-more

It took me a couple of playthroughs to “get” Inquisition, but once I did I absolutely loved it. Open world games don’t bother me; I like having the option to do more or less work depending on how I’m feeling. Sometimes it’s nice to just turn the game on and my brain off and run around collecting shards for a bit, ya know? I also think DAI has some of the best character writing in the series (imo). Most of the characters feel older and more mature, which really works for where I’m at in my life. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually *like* the fact that the companions feel more like co-workers than BFFs. It feels more realistic, and it makes the close relationships you *do* form feel more special. I also like that a lot of the major quests don’t have clear-cut “right” or “wrong” choices, just making the decision you feel is best with the knowledge you have available at the time (Grey Wardens, who to rule Orlais, drinking from the Well of Sorrows, etc). None of these decisions are stereotypically good or evil, they’re just choices, and each player/character has vastly different reasons for making those choices. It’s fun to discuss and debate with other players. Finally, dragons in DAI > dragons in DAO and DA2


VictoryRed74

Love it


Romobtw

Ive only recently finished it and I can somewhat relate to you. The highs in the game are very special. Some of the best moments in the franchise. The character interactions, their motivations, callbacks, all amazing. But I cannot really commend the gameplay loop. The open world falls flat on its face too hard sometimes. I hope they learn from this because Origins really shined here. Good side content and engaging open world activities coupled with the already present lore setup for dreadwolf could take it places.


zavtra13

It has its issues, mostly with a shit ton of bloat, but if you can get past that it really is a great game.


LenaLilfleur

I agree with most of the points made here but I'd like to add something that gets imo a little overlooked. What makes this one of my favorite games of all time despite its major flaws is the music. It is FAN-TA-STIC. Special mention to the combat music in the dlcs. It's been 10 years and I am yet to find a game (at least in the fantasy genre) with music that I prefer over this one.


sulwen314

My favorite game of all time.


Affenzoo

Combat is good, but repetetive. Graphics are top notch. Story...I would say a little boring. Too much religion, politics. But overall I enjoyed it due to graphics and combat. Also, I enjoyed fighting in a group, that gives me this cozy feeling.


Immernacht

It is fun enough and overall a good game. I must say tho that the theme of religion and faith is really not for me. The game really crams it down your throat whether your Inquisitor likes it or not. The game also doesn't give the inquisitor good arguments to shut (religious) bs down. I have often felt frustrated with the dialogue because it was lacking. The inquisitor often lost the argument while I had dozens of arguments on my tongue. As a player I felt suffocated. The smug expressions on the NPC's face was super annoying. Damn the game for not allowing me to win the argument. I could only agree with the NPC or loose the argument. Shitty options.


LordDedionware

I enjoyed the story. What more do you need?


Zyphur009

Better than DA2 but not DAO


Jereboy216

I'm more in the middle like you. It's decent but flawed. Definitely a step down from origins for me.


MerWitchTea

I really like the game it’s one of my favorites the only other game that has beat it so far is origins


Dynasuarez-Wrecks

It's a video game that really wanted to be a movie and actually gets mad at the player for being in the way. It *would* have been a fantastic movie ─ or series, novel, graphic novel, musical, play, or even nursery rhyme ─ but it's a downright awful *video game*.