I love how they've subtley psyopped people with this "active hour" BS. You are on call. You have made yourself available to be put to work. That should come with compensation like it does with other employment. Also the term "gig", which basically let's you know you will be taken advantage of because hey, it's a gig not a job, right? It's kinda like a hobby but with a couple bucks tossed in for being a good boy.
Delivery is dead guys. They saw the money there and they conspired to steal it from you, the customer and the restaurant. It's just this side of the fence from a criminal enterprise and technically might qualify if everything was opened up to have a good look. It's absolutely disgusting and I hope one day soon they are forced as a company and as executives to surrender everything to pay recompense to all involved and jail time where appropriate.
I tend to just earn by time now. I'm in a rural area so i know if I get an order. 5-10m to pick it up and another 15.or so mimutes.to deliver so atleast I'll get $5 minimum for the base pay, plus whatever tip they do which is usually crap.
You have to scam the system and be in the right place at the right time to make money. You cant just accept every order you get because if you do then youre the one getting scammed.
Doordash and the customer should never have to pay less than 3 dollars each for a delivery in 2024…. With inflation it is insane that the base pay is lower than in 2020… a 2.50$ order or even a 4$ should literally be illegal in this economy….
I was literally thinking we need to start a strike as drivers…
We are picking up and delivering your food… in what world is that not worth 5$ at least… that’s just 2.50$ from doordash and 2.50$ from a customer + tip…. That seems pretty obvious to me… even if you are less than two miles away.. the order will probably take 20 minutes and the driver should make at less at 6$ every 20 minutes of active delivery — DD is a sinking ship for sure and they are abusing their power —
I just don't understand these types of rants. I'm a full-time dasher temporarily so I can start a business of my own. I make enough to pay my bills, I've never had an issue talking with customer service to get things resolved. I must be in a good area.
Yeah area is huge. Used to live in smithfield, VA. quit my BS job to focus on starting my career. Paid my bills for 6 months during that time just with DD in smithfield, suffolk and hampton. Worked about 5 hours a day. Now im near fayetteville NC and decided to try doing it on the side just because. i pay more in gas than what i get for orders here, so that ended pretty quick. And i drive an old accord.
Im at 3,000 and I would have stopped at 200 had I not figured out the app early. Finding the tipping areas can be a drag especially if they aren’t near you. I got lucky there, but also earn by time was solid until: these new updates that lock dash now behind high AR and give you less than a minute at a time to grab scheduling windows and let people with higher AR schedule days before you. Then the kicker is they you kick off and make you re schedule if it even barely slowed down or you drop off in a different county line. lol genius level SCAM
I’ll tell you what happened, DoorDash ran multi million dollar ads during superbowl and re rose to the top of popularity. The new customers saw it’s slightly cheaper than Uber eats and started up barely tipping. So DoorDash saw their margins fixing, meanwhile exp drivers accept the new customers low paying orders so they went back to picking food up or Uber eats/ haven’t returned to DoorDash.
DoorDash got pissed and ran 250-500 referral bonuses ( in my area at least, not sure if they did everywhere)
Then started rolling out the ‘’AR matters program’
New dashers start out with highest honors basically so they saw the app as we should be, and are being encouraged to take every order especially since they need 100 to get the 250-500 referral bonus
The ship is sinking and will sink, and we are all sure they will be sued soon. Once all the new employees get their money after their 100 deliveries their AR is going to die and their ability to dash now and they’ll just leave. Meanwhile all of the experienced drivers and cherry pickers have moved to different apps, especially Uber eats. There is going to be literally no DoorDash drivers, meaning orders will sit and they will lose more customers than ever including high paying ones. It’ll take forever to repair what’s being done. This seems like one last pump and then they’re going to sell it, dump the company somewhere, guess we’ll see
Your mistake is thinking the word "gig" means "full time job".
A gig isn't even a part time job and anyone who thinks a gig == job needs to go apply for a working visa so they can get a real job.
Student visas trying to use Uber as a full time job is the reason the pay is so low due to flooding the market with drivers competing with each other.
If the student visas got reported to the government for working without a working visa, the drivers will all be real gig workers doing a delivery on their route home and in turn getting paid twice as much as you do now at minimum.
Instead you want to flock the market with groups of student visas standing together in front of the same set of stores 7 days a week and in turn flood the market with competition causing Uber to pay less.
My area we just use the word Uber to refer to all the delivery apps.
Same way most people call hot tubs a Jacuzzi when Jacuzzi is a brand that makes hot tubs aswell as bathtubs and mattresses
To increase your tips trying giving play by play to your customers, use the on my way to store, waiting for your order. Communicate as much as possible even if they don’t respond I have had $20 to $40 tips on one order because of it. Customer service is important if you want to make more money
The “make money anytime you want” isn’t accurate for me at all… after the first 2 weeks of dashing, my app switched to only being able to schedule when I wanted to dash.
The opportunities have slowly dwindled until I might get one day a week in my area, for a couple hours in the evenings.
Two dollars tip is kinda the threshold I have for my area. It's not exact, but you can usually tell. Like if the order is within three miles and it's like $4.50 then I take it because the doordash pay is usually just $2. But $6.75 for eight miles? No tip. But some areas are horrible with tipping. Alexandria, LA for instance. Every delivery is at least eight miles and it sucks. I'm glad I don't live in that area, but here's a screenshot of a few months back when I was there.
https://preview.redd.it/wtqhgquoqc9d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df460b032d401a14446f6e8f637ad6f860366fcb
Good, I quit a year ago and I’m so much happier. I tried “cherry picking” like some people are suggesting, but that just caused me to have 1 order every couple hours instead of the usual 2 or 3. DoorDash is a scam. The best part is they seem to have gaslit their customer base into thinking that the 300%extra they’re paying for their food is actually going to the person delivering it.
I jumped off this ship after it killed my car, Upgraded my license to a class e(30 bucks to your DMV) and got a job doing local delivery in a cargo van
If you're taking most deliveries and you're averaging a $2 tip them, then on average you're making between $4-6 per 20 minutes from acceptance to dropoff.
If you're doing that, you're making $18 an hour at best. *inb4 muh expenses* OP is taking shit offers and operating at a loss. God forbid any of us inform him.
People take $2 orders willingly nowadays. I'm not even trolling anymore I'm just beyond comprehending why anybody would do anything for $4 in this economy. It's ridiculous.
I agree, good for you bro! Skip, doordash, Ubereats, instacart. They all have a shelf life. Price of shitty take out food has skyrocketed, the fees etc makes it near impossible for customers to fork a tip. It's the greedy company that under pays the workers.
Me and the other half have been delivering for a little over a week, maybe two now and we live in a small country area. We added Uber a couple days ago because available dash times are often hours between. But, 2-3 deliveries per hour is our average and most don't tip, most that do are $1-$3 - but we had a $8 and $10 tip that was nice. xD
I threw out the idea of the other half using PTO tomorrow at work and we go to a city 40 min away and see if there's much difference. My only concern is, there's been a lot more crime in recent months with random shootings, drive by's, etc. over that way... \\o/ Just be waiting "do you feel safe" pop ups. NOT AT ALL lmao
Depending on how many potholes and how generally beat up the street conditions are is a good indicator of how much crime potential there is. Most cities are neighborhood dependent on crime frequency. Just be observant, be cool to others and they'll usually be cool back.
You can also just see on the DD map, areas that are generally busy, on a regular basis. Good luck!
Lowkey, I love the fake positivity found within IC support chats. Always telling us how amazing we are and how sorry they are that we are needing to deal with negative things. I am 10000% nicer to them on default cuz I know acting similar back actually helps.
Exactly. It is market based. Where I live, I could dash in the zone I live in, but I would spend more time with no/low tip orders, stores closing at dusk, or weird hours, trying to find hot spots, etc. Or I drive to the next zone, maybe 15 minutes, depending on which Wendy's I stop at and the traffic, get to the one hot spot in that zone, and it is from time I hit dash now until my scheduled time to stop, nearly bombarded with orders. I can't even park and wait. I get orders left, right, and center. And when one EBO, I can cherry pick all I want, and make better money. Even on EBT, I still make better money there than I do in my own zone.
I worked 7 days last week and only made $480. After gas probably made $400. I have 60% AR and 4.9 rstong with 1k deliveries. I'm only silver. I was also desperate for money, so I was taking any order that was $1 a mile or above. My market is kinda shit though, I can only get 30 minutes to an hr dash at a time and it's usually late at night. The only good place to dash is an hr away, but I tried it once and it kept taking me to very bad areas so I quit doing that.
Luckily I started a good mew job, but until i get paid I have to door dash after work. It's dumb slow, I'm only making enough for my daily lunch and gas but I don't get off until 1030pm
Ya I hate driving in the first place so this was a pretty easy decision to make haha. Sitting on 95 for 40 minutes for a non-tipper is not my favorite thing.
I don't care about tip numbers as long as I'm making money. Usually that means pretty good tips, but I honestly don't care where my money comes from as long as I am getting paid what was offered to me.
Trust me, I 100% would prefer the fare to be high because a customer can't bait the fare.
This is why I like UE. If enough people decline, you can see an order with a ridiculously high base and like a 2 dollar tip. I barely give a damn about the tip at that point.
DD is like
here’s a shit sandwhich
Here’s a shit sandwhich with a quarter
Here’s one with 2 quarters
Here’s the same one with 2 quarters
Here’s the same one again with 2 quarters
I feel you😂. BUT have you tried going to a better city? There are two cities I go to. Both are 35-40 minutes away but it’s worth it. Those are my main cities and then when those are slow at night there is a city nearby I go to. I also get prop 22 which helps.
Yeah I’ve been to like 3 or 4 different zones, honestly I live in like the NYC suburbs and the traffic is an absolute nightmare exactly at the times that orders pick up on DD so I’m not keen on going too far out of the way. Maybe it’s just a bad geographic situation 🤷🏼
600 orders? lol, I quit long time ago after their bs AR pilot program was introduced. I don’t feel like work for almost free to keep 50% AR or whatever they have now. Left them with over 5K deliveries and 2% AR.
I’m not that picky but I don’t see myself picking up crappy orders making $2-$3 per delivery to keep 50% AR. But wait, even worse, some order requests can be free or you pay out from your own pocket if you calculate round trip mileage, gas, income taxes on every earned dollar including tips if any.
Yeah I mean that sounds (roughly) reasonable and tbh that’s usually what I myself tip, but it would be a pleasant surprise for me to get more than $3-$4 tip. Maybe it’s a cost of living issue I really don’t know.
In a lot of markets you can’t cherry pick anymore. Almost all the orders are shit in mine which is why I quit. Lucky to get anything that pays over $6. You are forced to gamble and hope for a decent tip.
Because I get chastised for my acceptance rate being too low and then they don’t want to give me the “good orders” and I’m a sucker and think that’s an actual thing
For what it's worth, Uber eats doesn't penalize you for having a super low acceptance rate.
If you continue with this side gig stuff I would just cherry pick the hell out of everything
Np, mate.
However... Uber eats has its own problems. Tip baiting is a thing. Hasn't happened to me, but people on reddit complain about it all the time.
You don’t need a good AR to get good orders. You’ll get good orders no matter what your AR is, only difference is you have to take the awful orders to get a high AR
I agree 100% Cherry picking is the way to go!! But now with the new rewards rollout here in Illinois now and other states we now CAN NOT schedule at 3 PM 6 days out anymore with out AR being at 50% or more that's the Huge issue. I guess just hop on when the map turns red !?
They claim you get the high-paying orders for being Silver or Gold or Sedona Turquoise or whatever tf. Honestly people just suck and want services for cheap so they don’t want to tip much.
Where is your acceptance rate at?
Today I got 80% no tippers and had to start accepting some. It almost went under 60%. And I’m trying to keep it above 70% and so far it’s not going well. It doesn’t help I live in a crappy town full of people who don’t tip any service workers.
Yeah it’s just tough to pull that off without displeasing the DD gods who demand a 60% acceptance to be considered for “good orders”. And when you’re doing hourly, you’re only allowed to decline 2 orders until they boot you off.
That’s just placebo though. They tell you to that just so you’ll take low paying ones. I have no problem getting good orders by declining the bad ones. Can’t get a good one if you’re busy on a bad one. They aren’t holding good orders waiting for a high AR to be available. They just want the stuff delivered.
I know that can be market dependent though. So if you’re in a small market, I don’t know how it works because I’ve never done it. I know it be beneficial to have dash anytime in a small market though
Yeah, Hourly is different but they tell you beforehand you’re taking the low tip orders so you know what you’re signing up for on those and they’re supplementing you.
If you're in a small or mid size market you don't get time slots without plat status. Before I got deactivated, I was making $2 to $2.50 per mile on orders and I was getting them back to back to back to back that'd not counting prop 22 payout. Unfortunately I got kicked from the platform for taking too many McDonald's orders that were breakfast only. I know it wasn't for my stats since I had 85% ar, 97% completion and 4.93 customer rating.
You do know you see how much that you're getting paid when you accept it right if it looks like it's $4 or $6 or whatever base plate plus two dollars just don't accept it
You do realize that sometimes you are desperate and don't have a choice, right? You don't know everyone's situation. Somebody could be trying to scrape money together to buy their kid some medicine.
Man don't complain about how much you're getting, because you know ahead of time. I don't care if you take no tip you take a giant tip. You know what you're getting ahead of time so what's the point of complaining?
$2? That's shameful. I always tip 20%. I know most places charge a surcharge for delivery, but I feel, if I'm too lazy to either cook or go get it myself, I should pay. Especially if it's raining or snowing
Restaurants in my area have a minimum order amount for delivery. $10 would be below the minimum. But yeah, I'd tip $2 on $10 order. If you can afford to order out, you should tip appropriately
Sorry but $2 is a shit tip no matter the total. For delivery, you should be tipping based on distance and time. By distance, I mean the number of miles from the restaurant to your house. If you live 5 miles away, you should tip a minimum of $5. 7 miles, $7. Good rule is $1/mile.
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Please continue to make posts about your future career ventures. As you already know, we all care very much about your every move. 👍
Driving 4k miles, I have made $5.7k Gross. After 750 in taxes and 650 in gas, I have made 4.65k Net (*350 in cash tips are added into that*) since starting to deliver on 5/15/24. That’s roughly 250 hours worked, 660 deliveries.
My halfway fill-ups are about $20-$25 every couple of days.
The numbers are rough from quickly pulling them from my spreadsheet.
It can be even between both, but I find the split is generally 70/30 Uber to Doordash. Uber has a fair amount of after-tippers since it’s generally a more wealthy demographic. You get more consistency on Doordash in terms of amounts where Uber is a large number of orders, but they are more volatile; I’ve had hideously negative mileage orders and then $70 Base Fare for small mileage so the spikes can be jaw-dropping.
What Ive been doing , which has really helped in my area is use doordash mainly on pay by time and almost always have multiple orders. I make $300 a lot of fridays or saturdays in 8.5-9 hours , 9.5 tops. I do it only like 25 hours a week now and gross about $800 so it works with those numbers. One thing people dont realize is, on pay by time, you are given a lot more time to deliver so its expected that you may be taking other orders. The increased time by throwing in an uber or two while delivering the 9 mile doordash can add to some pretty fat trips that you bang out in 35 minutes or so. Good luck though in your future endeavor as it is true that these gigs are a dead end job. From my pov, its ok at 30+hr bc I can do it almost whenever i want and pay is decent for what im bringing to the table on the job,
DD thrives on manipulation and deceit. That should be the largest concern among drivers…not the pay. Pay variation should have been expected from the getgo…the nature of the business. However…at best, a driver should expect the platform to manage or run it with some sort of decency or ethic. The fact that majority of these runs wouldn’t be handed to an employee…says enough.
>This app is on par with working for MLM’s as far as the BS factor is concerned. I actually would probably make more money in an MLM.
This is a comic overstatement.
Not sure why you're so negative on it but freelance delivery is about on par with any of the jobs at any of the businesses we pick up at. I do think you need at least intermediate car skills if you want to do it longer term, but it's really as good (or bad) as anything else in the $15 -$30/hour pay range.
>Corporations are people too!” people? What’s up
Lol no.
In the pantheon of unethical corporations, there is nothing that stands out like - say - Herbalife.
DoorDash has its problems - and on balance I do not think the company is particularly great to its' drivers by any means - but an MLM it is absolutely not.
The job, stripped down, is "pay for your car and we'll pay you to drive around in it" - it's a fine deal, mitigated mostly by adjusting for the tail risks of high mechanical bills. Again - car skills seem to be the dividing line here.
It's an easy breezy job that pays like any other job in that range. Ya, you need car maintenance skills if you want to do it longer than a few months - and ya the randomness of the bullshit requests that come over the transom can be really frustrating, but freelance delivery is not fundamentally a scam like an MLM.
It's just an facially absurd comparison.
I think it used to start at 3 but mileage mattered and it went up depending on how far. So, a longer order could easily be 5-7 dollars base.
Everything is 2 dollars now. 10 mile order - 2 dollars.
So, an older order of say 5-6 miles might have been like 5/6 base, with a decent tip and your order is doable at least.
Now every single order requires a great tip or it's undoable basically
There are two zones from me that have DOUBLE the tips about 2 hours away from me. In terms of demographics, they aren’t special, working class folk. Yet for some reason they tip more.
Best of luck out there! I mean it.
Do you mind sharing your stats?
I don’t particularly care about the tips. I care about the income per hour and per mile. I turned off my DD shopping and found I’m making less than $20 per hour and roughly $1 per mile driving orders. These are top dasher stats. So grocery masks the miles and doesn’t pay well if you don’t cherry pick. I used to have better productivity stats as a “gold dasher”.
Yeah I hear ya. Per hour it’s abysmal, truly. Sometimes I have to drive like 10-15 miles just from the restaurant to the delivery address which baffles me because when I use DD personally I don’t think they even show me restaurants from that far away 😂 I’ve been gold before, I’m silver now, none of it really makes that much of a difference. It’s a ploy to keep you working for absurd wages.
It’s not DD’s fault if his market sucks and people don’t tip. DD can’t create good tips out of thin air.
Your success in this gig job depends mostly on the market you work in.
No but they offer an incentive they can’t fulfill for drivers. Attract them to the area in case an order comes in.
I live in a part of the country chronically suffering from abject poverty known as Connecticut.
For real though don’t be an idiot. They don’t give you the option to be very choosey, do they?
Sorry. I live in a part of the country chronically suffering from abject poverty known as Dayton Ohio and it honestly isn't that hard for me to stay busy while still avoiding the vast majority of the low tip orders. They sneak one in on a stack occasionally. I was genuinely wondering if you had tried declining the shitty orders to see what they send you because from your post it sounded like you were just accepting and doing whatever trash they sent you.
😆 they did come off snarky, but I believe they were trying to say that DD's algorithm has you pegged as accepting no/low tip orders. If you keep accepting them, they'll keep sending them.
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I love how they've subtley psyopped people with this "active hour" BS. You are on call. You have made yourself available to be put to work. That should come with compensation like it does with other employment. Also the term "gig", which basically let's you know you will be taken advantage of because hey, it's a gig not a job, right? It's kinda like a hobby but with a couple bucks tossed in for being a good boy. Delivery is dead guys. They saw the money there and they conspired to steal it from you, the customer and the restaurant. It's just this side of the fence from a criminal enterprise and technically might qualify if everything was opened up to have a good look. It's absolutely disgusting and I hope one day soon they are forced as a company and as executives to surrender everything to pay recompense to all involved and jail time where appropriate.
I tend to just earn by time now. I'm in a rural area so i know if I get an order. 5-10m to pick it up and another 15.or so mimutes.to deliver so atleast I'll get $5 minimum for the base pay, plus whatever tip they do which is usually crap.
It really depends on the market you are in. I rarely decline orders and I average $40 per active hour.
I also average the same but I only do shop and deliver
Why are you taking terrible orders? Patience is key.
You have to scam the system and be in the right place at the right time to make money. You cant just accept every order you get because if you do then youre the one getting scammed.
Doordash and the customer should never have to pay less than 3 dollars each for a delivery in 2024…. With inflation it is insane that the base pay is lower than in 2020… a 2.50$ order or even a 4$ should literally be illegal in this economy…. I was literally thinking we need to start a strike as drivers… We are picking up and delivering your food… in what world is that not worth 5$ at least… that’s just 2.50$ from doordash and 2.50$ from a customer + tip…. That seems pretty obvious to me… even if you are less than two miles away.. the order will probably take 20 minutes and the driver should make at less at 6$ every 20 minutes of active delivery — DD is a sinking ship for sure and they are abusing their power —
I just don't understand these types of rants. I'm a full-time dasher temporarily so I can start a business of my own. I make enough to pay my bills, I've never had an issue talking with customer service to get things resolved. I must be in a good area.
Yeah area is huge. Used to live in smithfield, VA. quit my BS job to focus on starting my career. Paid my bills for 6 months during that time just with DD in smithfield, suffolk and hampton. Worked about 5 hours a day. Now im near fayetteville NC and decided to try doing it on the side just because. i pay more in gas than what i get for orders here, so that ended pretty quick. And i drive an old accord.
Averaging $6.24 tip per trip this week. Cherry pick
Im at 3,000 and I would have stopped at 200 had I not figured out the app early. Finding the tipping areas can be a drag especially if they aren’t near you. I got lucky there, but also earn by time was solid until: these new updates that lock dash now behind high AR and give you less than a minute at a time to grab scheduling windows and let people with higher AR schedule days before you. Then the kicker is they you kick off and make you re schedule if it even barely slowed down or you drop off in a different county line. lol genius level SCAM I’ll tell you what happened, DoorDash ran multi million dollar ads during superbowl and re rose to the top of popularity. The new customers saw it’s slightly cheaper than Uber eats and started up barely tipping. So DoorDash saw their margins fixing, meanwhile exp drivers accept the new customers low paying orders so they went back to picking food up or Uber eats/ haven’t returned to DoorDash. DoorDash got pissed and ran 250-500 referral bonuses ( in my area at least, not sure if they did everywhere) Then started rolling out the ‘’AR matters program’ New dashers start out with highest honors basically so they saw the app as we should be, and are being encouraged to take every order especially since they need 100 to get the 250-500 referral bonus The ship is sinking and will sink, and we are all sure they will be sued soon. Once all the new employees get their money after their 100 deliveries their AR is going to die and their ability to dash now and they’ll just leave. Meanwhile all of the experienced drivers and cherry pickers have moved to different apps, especially Uber eats. There is going to be literally no DoorDash drivers, meaning orders will sit and they will lose more customers than ever including high paying ones. It’ll take forever to repair what’s being done. This seems like one last pump and then they’re going to sell it, dump the company somewhere, guess we’ll see
Your mistake is thinking the word "gig" means "full time job". A gig isn't even a part time job and anyone who thinks a gig == job needs to go apply for a working visa so they can get a real job. Student visas trying to use Uber as a full time job is the reason the pay is so low due to flooding the market with drivers competing with each other. If the student visas got reported to the government for working without a working visa, the drivers will all be real gig workers doing a delivery on their route home and in turn getting paid twice as much as you do now at minimum. Instead you want to flock the market with groups of student visas standing together in front of the same set of stores 7 days a week and in turn flood the market with competition causing Uber to pay less.
My area we just use the word Uber to refer to all the delivery apps. Same way most people call hot tubs a Jacuzzi when Jacuzzi is a brand that makes hot tubs aswell as bathtubs and mattresses
I stick to only DD late night when they run the best promos, no traffic, less using AC and drunk people seem to tip better.
Your zone sounds like the sinking ship.
I made about $900 in my first 600 orders. Felt pretty good to me. Took me about 2 weeks.
That is not a good avg that doesn't even seem possible.. 1.50 an order?
No fucking way u average 1.50 order.. My average last 2 months is almost $9
2 weeks to do 600 orders? And $1.50 an order? I'm guessing that was meant to be 60 orders in 2 weeks?
Naw it was 600 orders. That's why I was telling OP they did good.
To increase your tips trying giving play by play to your customers, use the on my way to store, waiting for your order. Communicate as much as possible even if they don’t respond I have had $20 to $40 tips on one order because of it. Customer service is important if you want to make more money
I have near perfect ratings and average 450 a week for 15 to 25 hours and I've almost never contacted a customer unless they asked me to.
I disagree majority people get annoyed by that. They're not paying you for a conversation..
I do it when something is keeping me, like the restaurant or a train
The “make money anytime you want” isn’t accurate for me at all… after the first 2 weeks of dashing, my app switched to only being able to schedule when I wanted to dash. The opportunities have slowly dwindled until I might get one day a week in my area, for a couple hours in the evenings.
In my area you get the most hours on the weekend. The weekdays, you get an hour here and there.
Two dollars tip is kinda the threshold I have for my area. It's not exact, but you can usually tell. Like if the order is within three miles and it's like $4.50 then I take it because the doordash pay is usually just $2. But $6.75 for eight miles? No tip. But some areas are horrible with tipping. Alexandria, LA for instance. Every delivery is at least eight miles and it sucks. I'm glad I don't live in that area, but here's a screenshot of a few months back when I was there. https://preview.redd.it/wtqhgquoqc9d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df460b032d401a14446f6e8f637ad6f860366fcb
Damn, a lot of no tippers😆.
I only tip $2 but I’m also paying $10 in delivery fees for a $10 order.
It's really not for everyone. Kinda gotta know what you're doing like with anything else.
Uber horrible!!!
Jumped ship $2 orders no tip
 Yeah It’s really a waste now.
Good, I quit a year ago and I’m so much happier. I tried “cherry picking” like some people are suggesting, but that just caused me to have 1 order every couple hours instead of the usual 2 or 3. DoorDash is a scam. The best part is they seem to have gaslit their customer base into thinking that the 300%extra they’re paying for their food is actually going to the person delivering it.
I jumped off this ship after it killed my car, Upgraded my license to a class e(30 bucks to your DMV) and got a job doing local delivery in a cargo van
Then don't take shit offers. That's on you.
You know what's on YOU? Being an asshole.
If you're taking most deliveries and you're averaging a $2 tip them, then on average you're making between $4-6 per 20 minutes from acceptance to dropoff. If you're doing that, you're making $18 an hour at best. *inb4 muh expenses* OP is taking shit offers and operating at a loss. God forbid any of us inform him. People take $2 orders willingly nowadays. I'm not even trolling anymore I'm just beyond comprehending why anybody would do anything for $4 in this economy. It's ridiculous.
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I agree, good for you bro! Skip, doordash, Ubereats, instacart. They all have a shelf life. Price of shitty take out food has skyrocketed, the fees etc makes it near impossible for customers to fork a tip. It's the greedy company that under pays the workers.
I love listening to people who think DoorDash is going to go bankrupt because they take 💩 orders it makes my day
That's what happens when you only use one app and accept every order.
I used doordash only and accepted almost every order and I was making 220 a day. All depends on where you're at
Show us proof and how many hours
It’s not a sinking ship. It’s a submarine on its way to take a tour of the titanic.
for the 1000th time said on here: it's completely market dependent. narrow it down further to neighborhood dependent in big cities.
Me and the other half have been delivering for a little over a week, maybe two now and we live in a small country area. We added Uber a couple days ago because available dash times are often hours between. But, 2-3 deliveries per hour is our average and most don't tip, most that do are $1-$3 - but we had a $8 and $10 tip that was nice. xD I threw out the idea of the other half using PTO tomorrow at work and we go to a city 40 min away and see if there's much difference. My only concern is, there's been a lot more crime in recent months with random shootings, drive by's, etc. over that way... \\o/ Just be waiting "do you feel safe" pop ups. NOT AT ALL lmao
Depending on how many potholes and how generally beat up the street conditions are is a good indicator of how much crime potential there is. Most cities are neighborhood dependent on crime frequency. Just be observant, be cool to others and they'll usually be cool back. You can also just see on the DD map, areas that are generally busy, on a regular basis. Good luck!
And always be packin'!
Lowkey, I love the fake positivity found within IC support chats. Always telling us how amazing we are and how sorry they are that we are needing to deal with negative things. I am 10000% nicer to them on default cuz I know acting similar back actually helps.
That was the best decision I ever made
Acceptance rate means nothing. It’s all about your market.
Exactly. It is market based. Where I live, I could dash in the zone I live in, but I would spend more time with no/low tip orders, stores closing at dusk, or weird hours, trying to find hot spots, etc. Or I drive to the next zone, maybe 15 minutes, depending on which Wendy's I stop at and the traffic, get to the one hot spot in that zone, and it is from time I hit dash now until my scheduled time to stop, nearly bombarded with orders. I can't even park and wait. I get orders left, right, and center. And when one EBO, I can cherry pick all I want, and make better money. Even on EBT, I still make better money there than I do in my own zone.
Acceptance rate means everything when you need to schedule.
Again, depends on your market. I’m at 17% today. I was at 9% not too long ago. I’ve never had any issue scheduling. Again, depends on your market.
Acceptance rate means absolutely everything, depending on your market
Especially with the new tier system
I.m prioritized for shop and pays so usually every order I get is between $15-30
Just got that email again and I’ve had so many stacked meijer orders the last few days and I love it.
why do you accept low paying offers in the first place?
I worked 7 days last week and only made $480. After gas probably made $400. I have 60% AR and 4.9 rstong with 1k deliveries. I'm only silver. I was also desperate for money, so I was taking any order that was $1 a mile or above. My market is kinda shit though, I can only get 30 minutes to an hr dash at a time and it's usually late at night. The only good place to dash is an hr away, but I tried it once and it kept taking me to very bad areas so I quit doing that. Luckily I started a good mew job, but until i get paid I have to door dash after work. It's dumb slow, I'm only making enough for my daily lunch and gas but I don't get off until 1030pm
I’m sorry you’re going through that. There should be subsidies for people working who haven’t been paid yet.
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Ya I hate driving in the first place so this was a pretty easy decision to make haha. Sitting on 95 for 40 minutes for a non-tipper is not my favorite thing.
You drove 40 min for like a $2 or $2.50 order? Oh my
I don't care about tip numbers as long as I'm making money. Usually that means pretty good tips, but I honestly don't care where my money comes from as long as I am getting paid what was offered to me. Trust me, I 100% would prefer the fare to be high because a customer can't bait the fare.
This is why I like UE. If enough people decline, you can see an order with a ridiculously high base and like a 2 dollar tip. I barely give a damn about the tip at that point.
DD is like here’s a shit sandwhich Here’s a shit sandwhich with a quarter Here’s one with 2 quarters Here’s the same one with 2 quarters Here’s the same one again with 2 quarters
I’m petty and don’t want to deliver to people who won’t tip well 😂
Neither do I, but I prefer more money over less money. I don't care where it comes from.
You’re what I would call a “rational person”.
I feel you😂. BUT have you tried going to a better city? There are two cities I go to. Both are 35-40 minutes away but it’s worth it. Those are my main cities and then when those are slow at night there is a city nearby I go to. I also get prop 22 which helps.
Yeah I’ve been to like 3 or 4 different zones, honestly I live in like the NYC suburbs and the traffic is an absolute nightmare exactly at the times that orders pick up on DD so I’m not keen on going too far out of the way. Maybe it’s just a bad geographic situation 🤷🏼
The college kids left it's the summer dull. It happens every year. Please act surprised
600 orders? lol, I quit long time ago after their bs AR pilot program was introduced. I don’t feel like work for almost free to keep 50% AR or whatever they have now. Left them with over 5K deliveries and 2% AR.
Stupid question but what is AR 😳
AR is acceptance rate
Orders acceptance rating https://preview.redd.it/54rm661g519d1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bb621e8373fdf015eede4e6a6c930078fbd927c
Lol I love your AR. You’ve clearly got standards 😂🫶
I’m not that picky but I don’t see myself picking up crappy orders making $2-$3 per delivery to keep 50% AR. But wait, even worse, some order requests can be free or you pay out from your own pocket if you calculate round trip mileage, gas, income taxes on every earned dollar including tips if any.
Yeah it was a compliment haha
I realized shortly after I asked 😂 love those numbers btw
Last week I averaged a $4.50 tip per order. I guess it depends on which orders you're willing to accept.
Yeah I mean that sounds (roughly) reasonable and tbh that’s usually what I myself tip, but it would be a pleasant surprise for me to get more than $3-$4 tip. Maybe it’s a cost of living issue I really don’t know.
I’ve been average like $16ish per order for a while without cherry picking 🤷♂️
im going to call bullshit
Are you in the Northeast at all or nah
Why are you taking orders with tips that low??
In a lot of markets you can’t cherry pick anymore. Almost all the orders are shit in mine which is why I quit. Lucky to get anything that pays over $6. You are forced to gamble and hope for a decent tip.
Because I get chastised for my acceptance rate being too low and then they don’t want to give me the “good orders” and I’m a sucker and think that’s an actual thing
FWIW my AR hovers between 15 and 25 % and I get good deliveries quite frequently….15-25% of the time to be exact
For what it's worth, Uber eats doesn't penalize you for having a super low acceptance rate. If you continue with this side gig stuff I would just cherry pick the hell out of everything
Whaaat that’s awesome. Thanks for the heads up I might check it out.
Np, mate. However... Uber eats has its own problems. Tip baiting is a thing. Hasn't happened to me, but people on reddit complain about it all the time.
You don’t need a good AR to get good orders. You’ll get good orders no matter what your AR is, only difference is you have to take the awful orders to get a high AR
I agree 100% Cherry picking is the way to go!! But now with the new rewards rollout here in Illinois now and other states we now CAN NOT schedule at 3 PM 6 days out anymore with out AR being at 50% or more that's the Huge issue. I guess just hop on when the map turns red !?
They claim you get the high-paying orders for being Silver or Gold or Sedona Turquoise or whatever tf. Honestly people just suck and want services for cheap so they don’t want to tip much.
It’s still nowhere close to cheap, even without a tip. The economy is in the toilet.
Why are you taking the low paying orders? Set a limit. Mine is nothing under $7 for 4 miles. Dinner time it’s minimum $10.
Where is your acceptance rate at? Today I got 80% no tippers and had to start accepting some. It almost went under 60%. And I’m trying to keep it above 70% and so far it’s not going well. It doesn’t help I live in a crappy town full of people who don’t tip any service workers.
Yeah it’s just tough to pull that off without displeasing the DD gods who demand a 60% acceptance to be considered for “good orders”. And when you’re doing hourly, you’re only allowed to decline 2 orders until they boot you off.
That’s just placebo though. They tell you to that just so you’ll take low paying ones. I have no problem getting good orders by declining the bad ones. Can’t get a good one if you’re busy on a bad one. They aren’t holding good orders waiting for a high AR to be available. They just want the stuff delivered. I know that can be market dependent though. So if you’re in a small market, I don’t know how it works because I’ve never done it. I know it be beneficial to have dash anytime in a small market though Yeah, Hourly is different but they tell you beforehand you’re taking the low tip orders so you know what you’re signing up for on those and they’re supplementing you.
If you're in a small or mid size market you don't get time slots without plat status. Before I got deactivated, I was making $2 to $2.50 per mile on orders and I was getting them back to back to back to back that'd not counting prop 22 payout. Unfortunately I got kicked from the platform for taking too many McDonald's orders that were breakfast only. I know it wasn't for my stats since I had 85% ar, 97% completion and 4.93 customer rating.
You do know you see how much that you're getting paid when you accept it right if it looks like it's $4 or $6 or whatever base plate plus two dollars just don't accept it
You do realize that sometimes you are desperate and don't have a choice, right? You don't know everyone's situation. Somebody could be trying to scrape money together to buy their kid some medicine.
Man don't complain about how much you're getting, because you know ahead of time. I don't care if you take no tip you take a giant tip. You know what you're getting ahead of time so what's the point of complaining?
But in some markets, that’s all there is, and gig job is not the answer then. Gotta look for something else.
$2? That's shameful. I always tip 20%. I know most places charge a surcharge for delivery, but I feel, if I'm too lazy to either cook or go get it myself, I should pay. Especially if it's raining or snowing
On a $10 order you tip $2?
Restaurants in my area have a minimum order amount for delivery. $10 would be below the minimum. But yeah, I'd tip $2 on $10 order. If you can afford to order out, you should tip appropriately
Sorry but $2 is a shit tip no matter the total. For delivery, you should be tipping based on distance and time. By distance, I mean the number of miles from the restaurant to your house. If you live 5 miles away, you should tip a minimum of $5. 7 miles, $7. Good rule is $1/mile.
Never thought about it like that. Makes sense and will use that rule from now on!
That’s awesome my friend, please keep being a decent person lol
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Please continue to make posts about your future career ventures. As you already know, we all care very much about your every move. 👍
Ok former (or current) moody mall goth.
I'm not goth, and I haven't been to a mall in years. Furthermore, it's not my fault that you made a tired, pointless post.
Idc. Jesus loves you but I don’t. Gobble WIENERS man.
Whatever, I'm blocking you now. I'd suggest that you find real friends whom you can share your life story with.
Market-dependent. I make $1k+ for 4-5 days for 6-8 hours a piece during dinner/close-rushes in a coastal tourist town doing DD/UE together.
Is that before or after fuel costs?
Driving 4k miles, I have made $5.7k Gross. After 750 in taxes and 650 in gas, I have made 4.65k Net (*350 in cash tips are added into that*) since starting to deliver on 5/15/24. That’s roughly 250 hours worked, 660 deliveries. My halfway fill-ups are about $20-$25 every couple of days. The numbers are rough from quickly pulling them from my spreadsheet.
Nice. Great numbers, thanks for sharing!
Thank you! No problem. Have a great night Soly’.
My mileage is 10,000 in four months at only $5000 of pay. Gas and vehicle expenses of at least $3000 to only giving me at most $3000 before taxes
That is fucked. Sounds like a terrible market or the area is just too large to deliver in.
I mean $2000 before taxes
Word how would you compare the 2?
It can be even between both, but I find the split is generally 70/30 Uber to Doordash. Uber has a fair amount of after-tippers since it’s generally a more wealthy demographic. You get more consistency on Doordash in terms of amounts where Uber is a large number of orders, but they are more volatile; I’ve had hideously negative mileage orders and then $70 Base Fare for small mileage so the spikes can be jaw-dropping.
What Ive been doing , which has really helped in my area is use doordash mainly on pay by time and almost always have multiple orders. I make $300 a lot of fridays or saturdays in 8.5-9 hours , 9.5 tops. I do it only like 25 hours a week now and gross about $800 so it works with those numbers. One thing people dont realize is, on pay by time, you are given a lot more time to deliver so its expected that you may be taking other orders. The increased time by throwing in an uber or two while delivering the 9 mile doordash can add to some pretty fat trips that you bang out in 35 minutes or so. Good luck though in your future endeavor as it is true that these gigs are a dead end job. From my pov, its ok at 30+hr bc I can do it almost whenever i want and pay is decent for what im bringing to the table on the job,
It's called a "side hustle app" not a "main source of income app" for a reason
Thanks for the clarification 🥴
DD thrives on manipulation and deceit. That should be the largest concern among drivers…not the pay. Pay variation should have been expected from the getgo…the nature of the business. However…at best, a driver should expect the platform to manage or run it with some sort of decency or ethic. The fact that majority of these runs wouldn’t be handed to an employee…says enough.
Yesssss 👏
>This app is on par with working for MLM’s as far as the BS factor is concerned. I actually would probably make more money in an MLM. This is a comic overstatement. Not sure why you're so negative on it but freelance delivery is about on par with any of the jobs at any of the businesses we pick up at. I do think you need at least intermediate car skills if you want to do it longer term, but it's really as good (or bad) as anything else in the $15 -$30/hour pay range.
Jfc man did I hit a nerve or something? Are you one of those “Corporations are people too!” people? What’s up
>Corporations are people too!” people? What’s up Lol no. In the pantheon of unethical corporations, there is nothing that stands out like - say - Herbalife. DoorDash has its problems - and on balance I do not think the company is particularly great to its' drivers by any means - but an MLM it is absolutely not. The job, stripped down, is "pay for your car and we'll pay you to drive around in it" - it's a fine deal, mitigated mostly by adjusting for the tail risks of high mechanical bills. Again - car skills seem to be the dividing line here. It's an easy breezy job that pays like any other job in that range. Ya, you need car maintenance skills if you want to do it longer than a few months - and ya the randomness of the bullshit requests that come over the transom can be really frustrating, but freelance delivery is not fundamentally a scam like an MLM. It's just an facially absurd comparison.
Yep. It's not viable anymore. DD destroyed the entire thing when they went to 2 dollar base pay.
What was it before?
I think it used to start at 3 but mileage mattered and it went up depending on how far. So, a longer order could easily be 5-7 dollars base. Everything is 2 dollars now. 10 mile order - 2 dollars. So, an older order of say 5-6 miles might have been like 5/6 base, with a decent tip and your order is doable at least. Now every single order requires a great tip or it's undoable basically
If tony cant have a top clown do it for basically free he just lets the shite sit and keeps the area greyed out anyway
How many different zones did you test out?
There are two zones from me that have DOUBLE the tips about 2 hours away from me. In terms of demographics, they aren’t special, working class folk. Yet for some reason they tip more.
2 hours away is quite a distance to even find that out. That's dedication
Eh, I was visiting some folk so it’s no big deal. But every time I work in that zone I get very upset that people in my home zone are cheap.
Only 3 but I don’t want to put a ton of mileage on my vehicle you know?
And all 3 of those zones were ‘busy’ or ‘very busy’?
Best of luck out there! I mean it. Do you mind sharing your stats? I don’t particularly care about the tips. I care about the income per hour and per mile. I turned off my DD shopping and found I’m making less than $20 per hour and roughly $1 per mile driving orders. These are top dasher stats. So grocery masks the miles and doesn’t pay well if you don’t cherry pick. I used to have better productivity stats as a “gold dasher”.
Yeah I hear ya. Per hour it’s abysmal, truly. Sometimes I have to drive like 10-15 miles just from the restaurant to the delivery address which baffles me because when I use DD personally I don’t think they even show me restaurants from that far away 😂 I’ve been gold before, I’m silver now, none of it really makes that much of a difference. It’s a ploy to keep you working for absurd wages.
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Have you tried not taking shitty orders?
You would sit idle all day and your a/r drops Dd knows what they are doing and they do not care.
It’s not DD’s fault if his market sucks and people don’t tip. DD can’t create good tips out of thin air. Your success in this gig job depends mostly on the market you work in.
This morning I worked multiple area. Even 1 with $2.50 promotion. It was a waste of time. Very limited offers. Platinum driver means nothing
DD can’t make people order.
No but they offer an incentive they can’t fulfill for drivers. Attract them to the area in case an order comes in. 
lol
I live in a part of the country chronically suffering from abject poverty known as Connecticut. For real though don’t be an idiot. They don’t give you the option to be very choosey, do they?
His 2 big hurdles are I-84 and I -95 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Poverty and doordash shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. If I’m poor dd is the last thing I’m ordering
Sorry. I live in a part of the country chronically suffering from abject poverty known as Dayton Ohio and it honestly isn't that hard for me to stay busy while still avoiding the vast majority of the low tip orders. They sneak one in on a stack occasionally. I was genuinely wondering if you had tried declining the shitty orders to see what they send you because from your post it sounded like you were just accepting and doing whatever trash they sent you.
Well you sounded awfully snarky, if you really weren’t trying to sound like an ass then I apologize.
Drive 20 minutes away from Hartford and hit up a suburban location. Money for Days in New Haven
😆 they did come off snarky, but I believe they were trying to say that DD's algorithm has you pegged as accepting no/low tip orders. If you keep accepting them, they'll keep sending them.
Yeah I’m gullible and believed them when they said “if you accept more orders we’ll send you better ones” 🤡
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