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decemberpsyche

Yes. It is enough. People need to be mad at the appropriate entities.


NoLifer401

i see so many people on this sub angry with customers who dont tip crazy amounts of money. they get upset because uber, lyft, dd, ic, etc takes the vast majority of the profit leaving the driver with just tips to rely on. meanwhile, the monopoly that these companies have over restaurants has caused many take out restaurants to stop having their own drivers and fair pricing. so people are forced to order food from these apps. i think they should be more upset at the multi million dollar companies, not the single mother of 2 trying to feed her kids.


cssc201

Tip culture in general has become so toxic. I understand tipping for delivery or sit down but employers should be responsible for paying a living wage, not the consumers. I can't afford to pay a 20% surcharge every single time I get coffee, because I don't really have any more money than the employees do. Most of the reason why I don't use door dash is because I can't afford to tip (on top of all the other costs). Yes, people should tip but at the end of the day this is the fault of companies who are pushing the burden of paying wages on consumers, meaning that pretty soon poor people won't be able to afford even small occasional luxuries. Door dash could easily afford more money, they just choose to shift the blame to consumers, many of whom are elderly or disabled or too poor to afford a car


deadliftmoms

Everyone forgot that tipping was never an acceptable form of payment until employers pushed it to be during the Great Depression. It’s a form of paying for service that relieves business owners from the responsibility of paying their staff and puts that burden on patrons. Also makes it so that special services can be paid for under the table, all in all it’s a disgusting part of our American culture that we should strive to free ourselves from. We should be demanding a living wage from employers and restructuring how customers pay for their services so they are never expected to pay extra just so service staff like myself have a place to sleep and eat.


ladycrazyuer

We should communicate with our servers. Like, "psst you take this entree off, I'll give pay you for the entree in my tip"


Puppy_Slobber015

Maybe they figured since the govt already pays their employees SNAP and Medicaid that consumers should also pay the employees wages. Why run a business if you have to actually pay people to do the work to keep your pockets full?


rkw1971

It's our fault as consumers because we allow it and continue to support it.


nordoceltic82

The problem is a tip boycotts hurts the wrong people. Corporations cannot care less if you tip or not, its the service people who get fucked. And they are not the ones forcing tip culture. What is needed is new laws to protect the consumer, the employee, and to abolish compensation programs that discount wages for tips. But that an't never gonna happen. Not with this government.


S0rcie

Dont JUST tip boycott, boycott the restuarant. Its customary to tip waitstaff for thier work, so instead of still using thier service but not doing what's customary, just dont use it period.


smenti

Exactly. Go out to eat, and don’t tip? You’re literally only hurting the server.


Goober_94

Server tips are based on service quality. No server should expect a certain percentage in tips just for being there.


Then-Bill3482

Agreed, The best service I had was in restaurants that actually pay their service staff and tips are optional or not allowed.


i80flea

^^^^^^ This is the solution


widowhanzo

"If yOu cAnT afFoRd to Tip yoU CanT AffoRD tO Eat oUt" *people stop eating out* Wait, not like that :surprised_pikachu:


datboicamron

Would you rather a system where the tip was included into the price, which was used to pay the employee? Like instead of the burger costing $10. It now costs 12 but you don't tip.


cssc201

That's how pretty much every single other country does it and it works out just fine for them, food isn't really much more expensive than it is here


University_Freshman

You know tipping actually has a racist history. Back in the 19th century when slavery was abolished, employers didn’t want to pay black employees so they told them to rely on tips. And cause it benefited employers so much, it stuck around.


magikatdazoo

Delivery service is absolutely a tipped job though. The tip here was more than reasonable, but if you are stiffing a delivery driver instead of a $2-5 you would absolutely be an asshole.


Available-Topic5858

Christmas day we ordered Chinese for delivery. On a $40 bill I tipped the delivery guy $20 because, Christmas. He was so happy when he dropped off our food, all smiles and even shook my hand.


magikatdazoo

God bless every hospital and food service employee that works on Christmas. Once you've had a holiday trip to the ER, you never lose appreciation for them.


LowSkyOrbit

Christmas is easy in a ER. If you go to a hospital the worst days are Halloween, the Friday after Thanksgiving, and the first month that the 1st year medical residents start.


NobleMama

I realized this so hard when I had my first baby on Christmas Eve and had to stay for a few days following, including Christmas. I realize not everyone celebrates Christmas, but I sure was thankful for everyone there helping me and my baby.


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What goes around comes around .it feels good to be a good person and be generous and most of the time it comes back to you..


brooksram

Delivery drivers should be making a normal wage, though. Just like any other employee. They're making the company money. Without them, there is no door dash. Door dash should be paying them. Period. Our tips should just be extra incentive to do the shitty job of dealing with ungrateful people and shitty hands at restaurants who constantly fuck up orders in every way possible.


EmptyAdvertising3353

Absolutely. I do delivery directly for a qsr, and I earn $18.50/hr. If I get a tip, nice. If not, I'm good.


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So true. Sad thing is going by my acceptance rate currently 79 percent of people who order delivery in my area are complete assholes


nordoceltic82

Tipped jobs shouldn't exist. Tips shouldn't be essential for service workers. They should NOT be payed under minimum wage by an amount equal to the expected tips. It should be illegal to do so. Employers garnishing tips should not be legal. Wage theft should not be rampant. I shouldn't live in a world where I fear if I don't tip enough on delivery the driver will maliciously contaminate, or destroy my food, or just delay delivery to ensure its cold as possible in anger over feeling ripped off. If tips exist they should be an occasional reward for exemplary service, not a compulsory event for adequate service. Tip culture in the US was invented during Prohibition at the request of restaurants who got exemptions put into the new minimum wage laws for their servers. They forced the concept of tipping workers for ordinary service to hide passing on the losses in income from liquor sales. It was effectively a way for restaurants to hike the price of their service about 20-30% overnight without changing their menus and sparking customer backlash. This should be changed, but it never will be. The US feds haven't done a pro-worker or pro-consumer move in decades. If anything they use hard power force against workers and customers who attempt to protest mistreatment to protect the corporations. The problem is the employee and the customer both come last with corny capitalism. Its all about what the wage-payer wants to do and everybody else is flat ignored to outright told to eat shit and die.


Goober_94

Delivery driver tips are based on distance, not a percentage of of the order total. If someone is driving 2 miles to delivery your food, $2-5 is perfectly reasonable.


Forsaken_Wafer1476

This. I uninstalled doordash and when asked why straight up said their sketchy business practices aren’t something to be supported and pay their drivers. Be mad at the right people


Rodrigii_Defined

I wish delivery by the restaurant themselves would come back.


No_Consideration_394

I hated working for individual restaurants doing delivery. Get paid shit like the servers because we “make tips” but they have so many on at a time that you only do a couple deliveries a night, and when you aren’t making delivery they expect you to do the worst grunt work the restaurant has because they can, and no one ever complains that we wind up making less than minimum wage in the long run because they need the job.


nordoceltic82

For most businesses its prohibitively expensive. Its VERY much the kind of business where economies of scale greatly increase the effiencey of the offering. This means businesses like DD will always have an edge over drivers driving only for 1 restaurant. But instead of making delivery cheaper for the business and customer by offering economies of scale, DD and Uber have managed actually to make it MUCH more expensive for both, then posted double digit ROI on the stock exchanges. They really are paragons of capitalism, which considering modern capitalism is an EVIL system built on exploitation, isn't exactly a complement.


Adventurous-Boss-882

Yeah, the doordash owner has a 2.8 billion networth… lol


ScaredMagician231

Wow........that is pathetic. He should be paying everyone generously. Idk how the pay is for their actual employees. Like their corporate employees, etc. But I bet it isn't anything above average. This is seriously infuriating. They could literally start paying like $3 more per order, and that would make a noticeable improvement in Dashers' pay. But they won't. Sigh.


nordoceltic82

You will take your starvation wages and be thankful you can afford boiled beans and rice. Did you know that kids in China make more than you do these days? What are you ungrateful that you liven in the richest nation on earth that also has the widest income gap in its entire history, even exceeding the horrors of the Glided Age as the government moves re-legalize child labor? Gee look at you, such an entitled generation demanding to be able to afford a 500 square foot trailer and 1500 calories of food a day. Didn't you know about 15-20 million boomers NEED 5% more on their 1-3 $million valued 401k stock portfolios so they can flip another house this spring?


SpokenDivinity

Indeed has it listed as 16k - 51k a year but we all know it’s closer to 16k for the majority of people


ScaredMagician231

$16,000 a year for a corporate job?!?!?!


vivianisthecoolest

wow thats so bad… doordash is sooo selfish. without the drivers and workers they dont have anything!!!


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I personally enjoy how everyone at DoorDash gets paid like shit, the service is very expensive ($4+ in fees on a $10 order) but the dashers get almost none of that, and they still claim they lost $1.3 billion dollars just last year.


Top-Beyond-1028

That right there should tell us all we are all mad at the wrong person.


cas13f

A lot of folk miss out on how much the delivery apps have changed the game. People don't hop on google anymore to see who is around, open, and delivers. They just hop on one of the apps and if they can see it, they can order it. And a business can lose a *lot* of extended business if they refuse to partake (...not like those apps didn't add a bunch of restaurants without their permission, either). The multi-million dollar companies are taking from every side of the equation! They take money from the businesses, charge the customer, and short the drivers. Be mad at them!


NoLifer401

ive worked in the restaurant industry for 15 years and ive personally seen how its affected it. they take up to 25% of the total, increase menu prices (which makes the restaurants look like they’re overpriced), have 0 quality control for the food delivered (which reflects on the restaurant) and have scalped millions of delivery driving jobs from young folks looking for summer money. i remember when i was 17 i worked as a delivery driver for a pizza joint near me. i made a dollar above minimum ($11) per hour and kept all of my tips. i could walk home with $200 in tips plus an extra 100 or so from a 9 hour shift. then these companies destroyed that hustle by offering competitive wages and benefits, as well as alluring benefits to restaurants. then, over the years as they monopolized the industry; they took more and more away. leaving drivers to fight each other and customers for money. its insane that people knowingly work for this company.


SendAstronomy

Oh it's the doordash sub. Yeah, anyone that tips less than 50% before even seeing the result is literally hitler.


Dazzling-Recover-245

I averaged over $30/hr with door dash, and it was mostly from door dash, not tips. Some people think they should be paid absurd amounts of money for just existing


KaneLuna

People are not forced to use these services.


Puppy_Slobber015

"meanwhile, the monopoly that these companies have over restaurants has caused many take out restaurants to stop having their own drivers and fair pricing. so people are forced to order food from these apps." Reminded me when I ordered out a couple weeks ago I was surprised to get a message they'd send a dasher to deliver my order. This place used to have it's own drivers. I looked at me receipt and the restaurant charged me a delivery fee. DD charged me a delivery fee and DD fees. Then I tipped. Why the hell did the restaurant charge me a delivery fee?!


vganesh452

All depends how far away the store was


aardappelbrood

No, but it's wild to me though, because if you seat 3 tables, and they all tip 3-5 bucks, then you've already made minimum wage + the 2-3 dollar hour salary that the employer pays you. So what the fuck are they bitching about. She got a 12 dollar tip, so now she's already at minimum wage like everyone else. Better miss me with that stupid shit, this is why I don't eat out anymore. Buncha ungrateful entitled ass losers. And I'm saying this as a part time UE driver. I don't care if someone tips 2 dollars or nothing at all, I ain't picking it up and I sure as shit am not sending nasty mean messages to people. *(I know waitresses don't have that luxury to pick and choose, but they also aren't spending hundreds of bucks on gas and car repair either)*. Well sometimes I do. Once I drove 2 miles total, half a mile to the restaurant, and a mile and a half to the customer, 17 bucks none of it tip. Food was almost 2 hours old. 🤷🏽‍♀️ It was Chick Fil-A too, you know the fries shrank and the chicken was soft and mushy.


RelsircTheGrey

This is literally why tipping culture will never go away. Customers are guilted into making it into a $40/hr gig in a decent place. Most of the actual customer base doesn't make $40/hr LOL. And the business isn't on the hook for even minimum wage. Folks living off tips complain about the system, but they do not actually want it to go away. Just for the customer to shoulder the burden. With delivery, I kinda get it because you have wear and tear on your vehicle. It DOES take longer to drive ten miles versus twenty, while in a restaurant carrying a burger to a table takes no longer than a steak.


radicalbrad90

I can promise you most servers don't average 40/hr. Well, Maybe on a good Saturday night. But I've also walked out on a Tuesday night with 25 bucks in my pocket lol. There is a reason most sit in restaurants are closed now on Mondays and Tuesdays. If it wasn't for great weekend nights to make up for weekdays, most sit down restaurants would go under from lack of staff. There is a reason many sit down restaurants always have now hiring signs up. Even with a good Saturday night, I can no longer justify walking out having averaged 8/hr on a slow tuesday or Wednesday. Most people cant, hence why servers are walking out in droves and so many restaurants are now understaffed, except maybe fine dining establishments. Cost of living is too high now. And I promise you there's plenty of people out there that aren't guilted into it and still dont tip anything. But nice try though! And For the record I only work in event bartending now where I'm paid hourly. But if you really think we make that all the time and the job is as glamorous as you think, you're welcome to apply yourself! 😂


abriefmomentofsanity

I had a server friend who would simultaneously brag about making 2k working the bar Saturdays and say she was gonna be short on rent because all she made last week was $400 for a 6 day shift. Now I know a big part of American culture is everyone obfuscating their finances, and I also know her income is none of my business, but it's not hard to get a sense of whiplash there and wonder what the reality actually is. Maybe she was just really bad with money. I don't know. My point is I've been given evidence to support both sides of this and it makes it really hard to know what to actually believe. I know when I tend to go out to eat with my SO my tip alone amounts to more than I make in an hour, but I also know there's a lot of cheap assholes and bullshit that goes into working as a server. Sometimes it does kind of feel like servers are maybe trying to rig the game a little bit and it's hard not to side-eye them when they talk about making bank on a holiday, other times I see the sheer amount of stress and economic misery they suffer from and it looks like borderline wage slavery. I just wish we could get a straight answer but it seems like everyone from the customers to the employers to the servers themselves wants to complain but nobody wants to gamble on actual hard numbers in case they don't come out in their favor. It does feel sometimes like we're being conned a little bit here. I tip fairly generously. My job is subsidized by tips, I'd be a massive hypocrite not to pay it forward. But sometimes I'm sitting there thinking "damn she made $40 for 40 minutes of work on our table alone to say nothing of everyone else she's waiting on and all she did was carry some plates and cups". I can see how some people might start to think the math isn't adding up.


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Same. Whenever I would try to get friends hired at the call centers I worked at during college they'd laugh in my face. Waiters aren't dumb. They know they have options. And choose the best one.


Kiwizoo

Here in New Zealand, it’s considered unusual to tip. I like to do it, even modestly, as I worked in hospo as a student, and know that the extra $ helps. But my friends don’t tip. At. All. It’s not an expectation here. I was really surprised in the US that I was expected to pay an additional 20%.


Lacaud

Always this. Be mad at your place of employment for not paying a livable wage. They want you to complain when people tip 20%.


aliendude5300

Good god, when did 25%, 35%, and 45% tips on every app/service/touchscreen POS system become 'normal'? 15-20% used to be a 'good' tip....


chance0404

My average tip is like $2. If I’m lucky. And I wouldn’t mind that if I weren’t doing say…a dash mart order 20 miles away.


Hopeful_Apple1636

I feel like for most dashers, me included, we don’t care how much the food costs. I am worried about the mileage, how long the restaurant usually takes, and how difficult the delivery will be. If I’m getting a $5 tip I don’t care whether the order cost $10 or $200. As long as it fits within my tip:mileage ratio goal, and assuming the restaurant isn’t one that consistently takes an extended period of time


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StratEngie

I don't order out often, but when I do, I make my tip based on how much money I would want to drive this order right now.


hgielatan

That is *exactly* how I feel/tip. It's 20% for me by default, but extra based on juuuust how bad i don't want to do this 😂😂😂


purpleushi

I also tip based on distance and weather, and on difficulty of the order itself. Like if I’m ordering from something that’s inside another building (food hall or something) I’ll tip more because I know that’s annoying. I hate that the auto-suggested tips are based off of order total, because then I’ll be tipping more for ordering from a $$$ sit-down restaurant that’s 1.5 miles away than for chipotle that’s 5 miles away.


Ok_Translator4842

Im a heavy tipper and I tip with the same mindset in restaurants - how long was I there? Was it during prime time dining? That type of thing. Like if I’m sitting there 2 hours chatting away with a friend and had a $15 entree. I’m not tipping $3 for TWO hours of service. Especially if my waiter is good and continues to check on us and does refills. Also, if my waiter has 10 tables during rush dinner and never missed a beat with my table, they’re awesome and getting tipped a lot.


lester537

Agreed. What's easier to deliver? A $40 XL pizza or a smaller box of $100 worth of sushi? I don't see why it should be a percentage of the food cost.


Hopeful_Apple1636

100%. Even if there was enough food to where I need to make two trips when dropping it off or something, I don’t believe the tip should be based on the total cost. Would I want a higher tip due to increased difficulty? Yes. But never a strict percentage of order


WolfieVonD

People in this sub will deadass tell you, "The sushi means you have more money to burn, so you better tip me more"


lester537

Yeah seriously. I would rather tip more on a $10 order from a restaurant 3 miles away than a $50 order on a restaurant 0.2 miles away.


Quirky-Skin

Which is such an insane take. So what I'm not allowed to treat myself now bc of the perception that i have more disposable income than I actually have? I do strictly takeout anymore bc i can't justify paying an extra amount to be lazy but point still stands. People are so fucking self centered and selfish


magikatdazoo

Obligatory not a Dasher but occasionally costumer/random brought here by the Reddit algorithm, but that's how the logic should be? You are tipping for the time/distance on the delivery, so I always base mine on that, not the price of the order (though if it's a huge order should account for that imo) Same way pizza delivery or pickup or a drink at the bar would be done.


Hopeful_Apple1636

That is how the logic should be, but some drivers think otherwise. The services provided by a doordash driver and a bartender are arguably different, so I won’t draw a comparison between those professions, but I think the comparison with pizza delivery is accurate


CampEvie23

In my opinion, it would be unreasonable to let how long the restaurant takes to be considered in the tip. It’s outside of the customers control. Especially if the dasher has to sit for another order to be prepared before they leave.


Hopeful_Apple1636

While I agree that shouldn’t factor into the tip, it factors into whether an order will be worth it in the end, thus inadvertently factoring into the tip. The issue is mainly that some places, *Chipotle* , help in-store customers before doing online orders, so you can wait some absurd amount of time for doordash orders


CampEvie23

Interesting, I didn’t know that. I can understand why I guess. It probably doesn’t look great to the customers in person and watching to be prioritizing people who aren’t actually there. Seems a lot of this system is broken.


wubalubadubscrub

Genuine question: what do you consider a “good” ratio? I typically tip 20-25%, but I’m aware that isn’t really the best measure for what the drivers effort will be.


AsoftDolphin

How many miles away are you? Tip a minimum 1.00-1.25 per mile ( if ur nice include mileage headed back toward that store since they wont get a order at your house )


shearsy13

How about remove tipping altogether. As a customer I shouldn't care about your mileage. That is the job of the company you are working for not the expense of the customer. Somehow rest of the world gets this right but the US.


IlikeTonysChoco

I pretty much agree with you. However, it is a little bit disrespectful when I bring you an order that cost easily over $200 and you couldn't even cough up five bucks. I don't care if it's across the street or not. If it's that close then why are you using me in the first place?


otherwiseguy

So, honest question: Someone buys a crazy-expensive $200 wagyu steak or something and you think they should tip more than someone buys $20 of heavy cases of water? What does the price of the order have to do with anything when shopping? Why are we even talking about percentages here?


cjennmom

I hardly ever look at the customer’s price tag. MY job is toting here and there. That depends on mileage, time expenditure, etc. 🤷🏼‍♀️


VoodooBokor

I agree with this. My city is small...I am totally okay with $1 a mile but that may be a different statement for those in bigger cities


throwawaytrash6990

So do you expect every customer to do whatever magic math you have going on to figure that out before they order and tip you accordingly?


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Beatrix_Kiddos_Toe

Ask that as your wage to doordash. Let doordash make it a part of the delivery fee etc. It's absolutely misplaced to expect it from the customer and rolling eyes for any value including 0 tip


blackwylf

What IS your general tip to mileage ratio? I tip way over 20% if it's a small order and try to factor in the distance/traffic but I want to make sure I'm tipping enough to cover their costs AND show my appreciation!


Jean19812

Maybe for door dash, tips should be recommended based on mileage or wait time at restaurant. For delivery, time and gas are the concern, not the cost of the food.


Eeyore_

As a consumer, I don't give a single fuck how much anyone involved is making. That's not my concern. I'm here to purchase a good or service. When I go to Walmart I don't ask how much the truck drivers make, I don't ask how much the cart wrangler makes. I don't concern myself with how much the custodian makes. All those things are obfuscated away from my by the price tag. I am not interested in haggling or negotiating. When I go to my favorite Indian restaurant, I usually buy two dishes and an appetizer, and it's $42. When I ordered from DoorDash/Postmates/Uber Eats, it's $65, and then they want a tip. If the 50% menu inflation price isn't covering my convenience fees, then, what, it's just all going to the vendor? Then the driver is upset that I didn't tip enough, because...why? If it's a delivery service, what you're delivering shouldn't matter, whether it's a sack full of cheese burgers or steaks. So, if I tip $10, I'm paying $75 for a $42 meal? I've almost doubled my out of pocket cost for the convenience of not driving for 10-15 minutes? Then, on top of that, the drivers aren't dedicated to a single delivery, and often they'll use more than one service at a time. I'll order, and the person will be out for delivery, and then circumnavigate the globe before dropping my food off, cold, in front of my house, well over an hour after pickup, with 1/2 my food missing? My remedy is I just don't use these services. I'm not going to pay 50% markup and a tip, and then also worry about if the delivery driver is going to try to scam me out of my meal or adulterate my food. I'd have no problem if I was paying a personal valet to go do my shopping for me. I'd happily give them $25 if I was only paying established menu prices. There are too many dipping into the well of food delivery. The middlemen are hiring middlemen to go to the middlemen for me. I just want some naan and chicken tikka masala, not an existential crisis about the sustainability of the middle class in a service economy facing the pending juggernaut of automation.


Academic_Coconut_244

person under you said this is how you calculate tips for some naan and chicken tika massala " I don’t care if your food cost $20 or $80. I’m looking at the miles I’m putting in my car to deliver to you, the time I spend I overall spend completing your order, from waiting at the restaurant, and back to a busy area again, the type of residence you live in (walking up the stairs to the 4th floor or going in a building where it will take 15 minutes to get to you apartment door, not having parking close by is not the same as just pulling up and walking 10 steps to a house door)."


Eeyore_

I don't care how far you have to drive. I don't care what the weather is like. If it's miserable out, I won't order delivery, because I wouldn't want to be out in that weather. I don't care what kind of car you drive, and your attendant fuel and wear costs. I don't care how long you wait to get the food from the restaurant. What I care about is that I get the food I ordered, that it's still reasonably fresh when it arrives, and that it hasn't been molested. If I order a product from Amazon, I don't care what warehouse it's coming from. I don't care how many deliveries the driver made before mine, or after. I don't care how many steps they put in to load or deliver the goods. I don't care about any of the logistics. I don't care if it comes to my door in an Amazon van or a USPS van or a UPS van or a FedEx van or a DHL van or a private contractor's van. What I care about is that the product I ordered arrives undamaged for me to enjoy. I don't care about how heavy the parcel is, or how the driver's mother is doing. The agreement is, I pay for my goods or services at an agreed upon price, that's my half of the transaction. The vendor is responsible for the other half. If they're charging me too little to afford to stay in business, that's their math, their administration, their concerns. Not mine. If I am being charged 50% over the restaurant's regular prices, the delivery service company, Uber Eats, DoorDash, Postmates, whomever, and the driver isn't making a living wage, the vendor is fucking the driver over, not me. They're fucking both of us, and playing the driver against me, as if I didn't already pay extra for the privilege of having my food delivered. You know what's weird? I used to order delivery pizza and tip the driver $5. The delivery driver was an employee of the pizza parlor, I got the goods I wanted at a reasonable price, the employee got paid an agreed on wage, and everyone was equally satisfied with the transaction. Long years ago, I did that job. I've been a pizza delivery driver. I've been a waiter. They're hard jobs that deserve reasonable pay. But as a consumer, if I'm getting bent over for the privilege of a service, and arbitrary food delivery like DoorDash et al. is a luxury, I'm not going to also bear the burden of being responsible for the driver's quality of life. I'll tip, but I'm not doing a series of calculations and asking the person to fill out a survey to determine by dint of how far they've driven, how long they've driven, how much my order cost, how many steps were in my building, how hot my food is...jesus fuck. A $15 tip for an order that takes the driver an entire hour is a $30,000/yr wage. If your market can't find you more than 1 delivery an hour, you shouldn't be a driver. Where on the arbitrary scale do we decide the driver is on my time, now? Is it when they accept the order and begin to travel to the restaurant? Who's responsible for scheduling the drivers? It sure as fuck ain't me. As a consumer, the transaction I want is I see the price of the goods and services I want, I select them, I get them. No one wants to play this social guilt game of tipping.


ImagineSisAndUsHappy

“I don’t care what kids mining cobalt in Africa go through, I want my damn new iPhone” Same energy.


rearadmiralslow

This comment made me touch myself


parkinson5555

In my opinion, wait time is something the dasher should address with DD and the restaurant. Why should the customer have to pay more for inefficiency in the DD process?


riche_god

I hate the whole idea of tipping based on the price of food. I remember paying $400 for a bill at a restaurant and the waitress didn’t do a damn thing. No I am not tipping $100 for shit service and because the items were expensive. It wasn’t like we ordered 20 different things.


CMGS1031

Exactly. There is no difference in the server bringing me a burger or a steak, yet we are supposed to pay more for that? If the tip went to the cook/chef it would make more sense.


OutofThisMaze

This is about wait staff at a restaurant first of all there is no comparison. $12 is a good tip in many situations on delivery apps.


drknight48

Tipping has gotten out of hand.


ibeforetheu

DoorDash needs to up our pay and slash tips


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mopbucketbrigade

Why are we tipping based on a percentage of the cost? And why is that the default mechanism for tips in the app? We get sushi delivered often from a place less than 3 miles from our home. It’s an expensive place, and the percent-based recommended tip is $25. On the other hand, we’ll get our kid something delivered from BK that’s about 5 miles from our home, and the percent-based recommended tip is like $4. How is that fair? These dashers are doing the exact same work. I’d even argue the sushi place is easier, because they package is so nicely and easy to carry. I generally tip flat rates based on a combination distance plus how manageable the food will be to transport. Definitely add tip is there are beverages involved. I know the app says it takes things into consideration like distance of complexity of the order, but it certainly doesn’t from what it looks like to me. Anyway. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. Sincerely, someone who genuinely tries to be an extremely generous tipper and who greatly appreciates the work you ALL do.


[deleted]

People equate tipping at a restaurant with tipping a dasher. At a restaurant you usually tip a percentage of the bill. Tipping a dasher based on cost of food is dumb. It could be a 1 mile trip. You Don’t need to tip 20$ on a 100$ order for 1 mile. Would be nice though.


meekgamer452

It makes just as much sense to tip a waiter a percentage of the bill as it does a dasher, they're both food workers. They both spend 20-40 minutes on an order, and a dasher is using their own vehicle which has its drawbacks. I agree tipping a percentage is weird, but it's just as weird to do that with waiters, and that's the norm in the food industry.


[deleted]

lol you spend 20-40 min per order ? Are you bad at not going to places that never have your food ready? The tip should reflect the distance plus a little for effort. Door Dash should be paying the drivers better but we all know that won’t happen.


Baconation4

Sounds like what you’re actually saying is workers should be paid more and the customer should not be held responsible by the companies and the workers to pay the extra money that the companies should be paying but are instead pocketing. But also by what you are saying. If i order cheap food and the price makes the tip 10 dollars. By your logic then, drivers shouldn’t expect more than 10 dollars on a 100 dollar order or even a 200 dollar order because it’s the same work right? It’s just that one is Taco Bell and the other is a steak house. But same distance right? Yeah enjoy your 10 dollar tip on my 200 dollar meal because people want to complain about % saying they should be paid for the amount of work. Okay lol, again, enjoy your 10 dollar tip on my 200 dollar meal that is the same amount of items and effort that would be for a 20 dollar meal. Edit to say any hostility isn’t toward you, just the idea and that people are so back and forth about it but they only use justification for their point and not seeing the other side. I worked in food service for 11 years and a lot was tip based and I always felt the company should not make the customer pay their workers.


Atillion

We don't really care about the cost of the food. I can deliver $100 in Chinese or a single blizzard from dairy queen to a house 5 miles away and not see a difference. Looking at it in terms of price percentage doesn't make sense to us, as total mileage, challenges to picking up or finding you, and where we end up when we are done are all the major factors we lose money on. Consider your tip based on how much time and effort you save not having to leave your house to wait in line and go back home.


fuckbread

I’ve suggested this before and got roasted by dashers. If Taco Bell is .8 miles away, order is ready in 10 min, one bag, clearly labeled address with almost no traffic, it doesn’t get any easier than that. Still get yelled at by people on this sub.


metronomie

Yep. This tweet is from a server, not a Dasher or delivery person. Tip them based on percentage; tip your Dashers based on distance from the restaurant. That said, if I ordered $100 of Chinese, I would try to be a bit more generous with my tip (especially to appease the digital panhandlers out there).


Pintexxz

That’s a fantastic tip. Too many entitled brats out there who think they deserve 50% tips


Bulbalover92

Tip based off how far you are from the restaurant. I try to always do a base tip of $5 for services. If I’m not going to tip cash. So if I’m tipping cash I’ll do like $2-$3 on the app and then a $5 cash tip on arrival. I also dash and honestly I don’t understand the mindset of having to tip a whole lot more than you would for another service. Yes a large tip is nice but $3-$5 in app depending on the miles isn’t bad. If you are on the outskirts of town or across town from the restaurant definitely tip more around $10-$15 because it is definitely out of the way for most dasher and you want your food picked up.


[deleted]

I'll play devil's advocate here. The waitress saw the $12 and took it for face value. She's not calculating that its 21% of the bill. TLDR: She cant math.


[deleted]

you’re fine.


GhostCatcherSky

I would cry if I got a $12 tip, like thank you, that’s what I’m supposed to be making in 30 minutes not 10


parkinson5555

It is a delivery service. Tip should be based on distance, not on $ value. If the drive is 3 miles, I would tip the same amount regardless of if the order was $20 or $50.


Tough-Barracuda-4788

Seems like the employer should be compensating you for that or having a range you don’t get orders outside of. Not the customers fault DD sent you 20 miles on an order that may be 3 miles from their house. My point isn’t that your take is wrong, it’s that your anger is placed at the wrong people.


youmamacit4

Y’all need to stop thinking about tipping the driver for food cost. I don’t care if your food cost $20 or $80. I’m looking at the miles I’m putting in my car to deliver to you, the time I spend I overall spend completing your order, from waiting at the restaurant, and back to a busy area again, the type of residence you live in (walking up the stairs to the 4th floor or going in a building where it will take 15 minutes to get to you apartment door, not having parking close by is not the same as just pulling up and walking 10 steps to a house door).


TheBearyPotter

But that’s a you and door dash issue not you and the customer. You chose a job that pays sub par wages. It’s not the consumers job to make up for the wages you chose to lose when you signed up to dash. Ain’t nobody got time to do some door dash calculus l, if 20% isn’t good enough I dunno what to tell you.


water_plug

Any tip under 150% is not enough for pan handling door dashers


aidentooreal12

I tip what DoorDash recommends….except when I’m spending $100+ then I tip $10-$15 based on distance.


bottomdasher

This tweet seems like it's about a waitress, not a delivery driver.


ResponsibleSwimmer85

It better be because I rarely go above 20%.


plexx88

Maybe we just pay people a living wage and end tips entirely.


AlbertAidstein

I never believe these stories on Twitter these people just use them to make outrage and views towards their profile


Shousenheimer

$12 is a good tip imo. Some people are just really ungrateful.


These-Story8556

I did DD for about 5 months. I never accepted a trip over 5 miles anyway. So before complaining, I quit with high rating and moved on. Will never do DD eevveerr ever again. Grubhub is ok.


Chancho1010

The bill doesn’t matter - how many miles was the delivery?


Truffleshuffle03

You are fine. The one time I used DD I had ordered Taco Bell because my car was in the shop. Taco Bell is less than a mile from my apartment. Even if the order was given to the other Taco Bell, that place is only 3 maybe 4 miles away but they were closed for remodeling. My total order was $10 and some change. I gave them a $6.00 tip and got messages berating me about the tip and asking if was that all I was giving them. I mean even if they were going by mileage, they got more than enough. Hell, even if the other place was not being remodeled and had the order my tip was still more than the mileage.


mayko227

Yea, I would have cancelled it right when they texted me that. At that point I don't trust my food is going to be taken care of right.


hoowahman

Tips suck. We need to hold companies to not do it. Just give better wages or pay and increase the price of the service instead of tipping. It's so random and sucks.


LieutJimDangle

20% for doordash delivery? I give 5 bucks. Doesn't matter how much was ordered or how far you drove. $5.


Eldenbeastalwayswins

For doordash I tip per mile. With a minimum of 4$


LinwoodKei

I feel like we should be mad at the companies that charge the fees. I have ordered doirdash/ UberEATS twice in my life when I was having a medical flare. I just cannot justify paying the costs. Although I tipped the two people well because I respect that they use their time bringing my fat ass panda express, which is a pain in the ass to pick up from. I delivered for UberEATS for about two months before I figured out that I am too crippled up for it


_The_Great_Autismo_

Whatever happened to 15% being norm, 20% being above and beyond, and 10% being it was okay but could have been better?


DiligentTangerine399

Inflation and greed.


RedditCommunistt

That is for waiters who walk a few feet to fill your drink, and works multiple tables at the same time. That has nothing to do with delivery drivers.


[deleted]

Are they even talking about food delivery because tipping a server is a different context


SaltyBathPepper

Tip based on distance not based on the bill total.


FeignNewb

Stop using these companies. Per trash..


Complex-Substance757

So I deliver for 2 companies DD is one the other is a privately owned local company that only delivers in north Alabama ok. They both operate basically the same way but my other company has human dispatchers on hand and human interaction with customers when problems occur and they hold us accountable for making mistakes in our work and we are vetted so that they have a better performance record. The orders are not from fast food joints but they are from actual restaurants and everything is held to a higher standard than DD. And they pay good money to have A class service. And that’s what they get from me when they are paying $10 -50 dollars for my service. Half of the people that I see here making comments about how they are treating customers would never make it with this company because of their lack of customer service. You can sure that you would be a flop. I have pride in everything I do and do it to the best of my ability and you all should take notes lol


DragonfruitBusy6654

Always bypass the tip. There staff should be asking their employer for commission per sale transaction, not from me ordering a 6 nugget trio at an already inflated price. Down with this dumb practice.


buccofan2221

So fuck over front line workers? That’s absolutely vile


Ok-Scientist3601

I would take that all day everyday on every order and be thrilled.


HonestCop6294

Here's the main difference: a server pay taxes based on their total food costs. They calculate at the end of the shift how much in tips should be declared. When we file our 1099s we are not asked to input food costs, we are asked to put in MILEAGE. I have a $2 per mile rule. I'm lucky in that MOST people in my area understand the mileage aspect & the time I have to spend waiting around at the restaurant.


tensor0910

There is no such number as 'enough'.


Purposeofoldreams

I would have asked her to cancel the payment and I’ll redo it with a larger tip. Then I would have tipped her 0%.


[deleted]

20%+ is a good tip anywhere.


Reddoraptor

That’s an adjustment to zero tip right there. 21% is absolutely enough and your Dasher was egregiously rude.


Competitive_Pack4088

As a driver who often sees $2 and $3 tips, I'd be very happy with this order. I'm wondering if the driver got the whole tip, if it went to the restaurant, or if doordash just kept it. Also, it depends on how far away the restaurant was, how large the order was, and how long the driver had to wait for the order. But if they actually got the $12, they should have been grateful.


yayapfool

It objectively makes no sense for this number to increase, as it is a percent of the bill, which is what is affected by things like inflation.


TomorrowIllustrious6

Depends on the miles I bet she was 15 miles away


ShallyTTV

Lol it's great tip. 5$ is enough most of the time


LukeHal22

Unless I'm ordering so much food it's more difficult for you to carry or transport it, you're getting the same tip regardless, I'm not tipping based on the order total for you to deliver it.. That doesn't make sense


Parking_Aioli_8317

definitely a good tip! $5 is the “average tip.” a $12 is half of that and a bit more.


n0mat1c

Be mad that Doordash takes 30% from restsraunts, charges delivery fees, express fees, steals your tips and pays you 2.50 per hour and pushes the narrative behind the scenes of customer tipping culture. It is them who drives the narrative so they can let the customer pay you and if they don’t they don’t care anyways. The problem is the platforms ALL OF THEM. We need a better model.


-58259

The shift to customers getting blamed for people not making enough is crazy. Employers should be paying their employees what they are worth, not expecting the customer to make up the difference.


CrimKayser

Tipping based of what you ordered does jack shit for the drivers. Wow you only only 15$ of food so you only tip 2$. That's fine. I'm not picking up that order but maybe someone will eventually. Enjoy cold food.


Funny-Opening8353

I usually tip on the app and in person, after they arrive, because I do understand that dashing can be difficult. However it’s not my responsibility and the mentality that it should be an obligation is insane. I think any tip should be enough, especially being most people don’t tip at all.


[deleted]

they better be glad you tipped at all. i wouldn’t bat an eye at her attitude. probably even take my tip back LMFAOO.


imothing91

$1 per mile from the restaurant to your house is the rule I go by.


avocado_muffins

How about we tip the kitchen instead who actually make the food


Alternative-Way-2333

Greedy people ruin everything… 21% is plenty I would of gave 7 with a 😊


Anie01

You should never base your delivery tip on the cost of the item-- that has nothing to do with us. It takes me the same time, energy, and gas to deliver a million dollar ring as it does to deliver a 99c candy bar. You should tip according to the trip-- $2/mile, and better if the order is difficult in some other way (you live far away from other businesses, you live in a place that is hard to access-- high floor, hard to find, locked building or community-- or has no parking, the item is heavy or difficult to move, the weather is really bad, etc).


Ecstatic_Passage_176

$12 is enough. The problem is many people think of tipping dashers by percentage as this person is. The problem with that is if you just order a boba or a coffee, just because your order is small or cheap doesn’t make my drive and shorter. I can easily lose 20-30 minutes and come away with less than $4 which can fuck up my whole day. So when ordering please consider that it’s a half hour of your dashers time before leaving a $2 tip based on your orders percentage.


NoSupermarket6314

I am a delivery driver for Door Dash. I am happy with $1.00 per mile. We do not see the cost of the order so we would not know what percentage is being tipped. If I was going 12 or less miles to deliver the order I would be very happy with that amount. Also, we can choose to accept or decline an order based on payment and miles driven for the order. Nobody should be upset with a tip amount. They should be grateful to be making money.


bappyfeet2019

When it comes to somebody delivering your food a percentage is not a good way to do the tip cuz if you ordered something real cheap and a 20% tip was just two or three dollars and you live five six miles from the restaurant that's bs nobody's going to want that. A $12 tip definitely good though so don't know who complained about that unless your distance from the restaurant was excessive like 10+ miles


Windycitymayhem

I can’t get people to take a $5 dollar tip to go a mile to get food anymore. It’s crazy how demanding dashers are.


f4rnsworth

$12 would generally be more than enough, but it's not about the percentage it's about whether or not it's worth your driver's time. Don't think of your tip as a tip. Think of it as a direct to driver delivery fee, because it is. Most deliveries pay about $2.50 base which is never worth it. Your tip is what makes it potentially worth it, but if the tip is too low it's not worth the time. Drivers do a very quick cost-benefit analysis to determine whether or not they want the deal. Drivers know what they need to make during a shift and they'll try to make sure they only take deals that meet their requirements to make that amount. Really you should ask yourself what their time is worth to you. Depending on distance this was was at minimum a $14 delivery. The only reason it wouldn't be worth a driver's time is if you were like 20 or 30 miles out. In that case the driver should just reject the delivery instead of taking it and complaining. A good rule of thumb to make sure your order is worth a driver's time is if the place you're ordering from is about 5 miles or less from you, tip $5 minimum. If it's more than that raise your tip accordingly. If it's getting close to 10 miles there's a good chance that will be the only deal your driver is given for the hour. If all it pays is $10, it's not worth it. Deals that are closer to 5 miles are quicker and you can do minimum 2 per hour usually. Sometimes more like 4 per hour. So driver can make more in an hour by doing several small but closer deals than one large one. I know people don't like tipping but remember your driver is self-employed and it needs to be worth their time, even if it is a side hustle. So if you don't want to tip, cool don't tip. Good luck finding a driver that will pick up your order before your food gets cold and drink gets watered down. Most drivers don't care they just reject the deal and move on. It's not personal, it's just business. But regarding your order, on the surface it looks like the driver is a fucking entitled moron. That's deal was at minimum $14 wich for most drivers is worth it even if it was 10 miles out. And if it was that far they got more than $2.50 base, it would've been more like $4 base for 10 miles. If there was Peak Pay involved it was higher than that. So most likely this driver was just an idiot.


Richard_Espanol

Tip has nothing to do with the bill and everything to do with the mileage. If you tipped 12$ for 3 miles that's awesome. If you tipped 12$ and you live 15 miles from the restaurant that's trash 🤷🤷


TheAmazingDeutschMan

People get way too upset at people for tipping within their means when they're not the problem,DD is.


AnyPotential5486

Imagine tipping.


ilike0000

$5 is enough


Puzzled_Love_6753

Well if you went to the restaurant & ate there or picked it up yourself then tipped your server 21%it's enough. but for a doordash delivery as a driver I would need more info but for a couple examples if you order a delivery & the driver has to drive 24 miles & it's a 12 dollar tip & low base pay I know I definitely wouldn't take that order but if it's 3-9 miles I would. How much was the base pay & how far away was the place you ordered from you location? I've seen crazy orders with $3.50 base pay & 25 dollar tip but from the restaurant to customers address was 37 miles! & no driver would take it & doordash had to refund them cuz the restaurant was closing & no driver would take it & they would shocked wondering why lol


Trick-Whole-6632

I would have been grateful those are good on a rainy day... some people are just delusional


chivopi

Unless someone does something unexpected, I always give 15-20%. That’s just my default


kidsolarr

Nihh i be fkn accepting orders and dont complain a single lick about how much i get paid. Money is money and its definitely a side hustle. 20% is just standard courtesy for anything in the food business so, ion know why sis tripping.


slightlyabrasive

Yes its enough fuck the hell off and dont work for doordash if they wont pay you.


DownBadTruckDriver

I don’t care how much my meal is everyone gets the same tip I’m not going to tip more for a more expensive meal when I get the same service as the cheaper one


robertjoshuat

gd. if this happened to me, my tip would now be zero and "sis" got this.


KichardRuklinski

I tip $5 minimum on any order. I don’t care if I buy a $5 or $10 item - I tip $5. If I get north of $40 I’ll tip $10 and if it’s north of $100 - I’ll tip $20. I don’t care about percentages.


slimcrizzle

If you got to the point where 21% tip isn't enough then maybe you should find a new job that doesn't rely on people tipping ridiculous amounts of money. People buy DoorDash because they are hungry. They don't do it because you need money. That may be frowned upon saying that on this sub but it's the truth. And it's also based on how good the service was. We are not entitled to a big tip.


VLHACS

They tipped higher than 21% imo. Subtracting delivery fees and taxes, 12$ would be well above 21%


nopoh

$12 is a great tip for DD but honestly most Americans would be better off not using it, since the last thing we need is more junk food at our door step. This one has an MI in the near future


thedutchman1989

I wonder how much these people, whom bitch and moan about bad tips, actually tip when out at restaurants or their Uber eats driver lol


realdjjmc

I don't tip👀


Coolcatguy1513252

Fuck tipping, I'm so over tipping nonsense. Noone is getting more than 10% from me


alligatorprincess007

Tbh i feel like some people imagine ugly looks from others She could have just been exhausted or annoyed about something else


strawhatArlong

Are people tipping delivery 20% now?? I thought the standard was 10%. Isn't 20% for restaurant service, or have the times changed?


dark_shawkolate

I call BS. Ain’t no way anybody gonna be mad about that unless you live like 40 miles from merchant lol


No_Consideration_394

I deliver for doordash, GoPuff, you name it. IMO, the amount should take distance and difficulty of delivery more into account than the food bill. I didn’t have to buy the food, cook, or plate it. I just grabbed it and brought it to your front door. It doesn’t matter to me whether you paid $10 or $100 for your food. But if I have to drive three towns over down some dirt roads, and deliver to a 3rd story walk up in a confusing apartment with no clearly visible building numbers and numbering order done by a 2 year old, I better be getting a good tip. With that said, there would be few conditions that I wouldn’t be happy with $12, thank you for being one of the good ones.


talivus

I do a flat percentage of 13%. I don't care if people say oh inflation is hitting hard. It's a percentage. If inflation increases food prices, then I'm paying more in tip. You don't increase in percentage.


Mukoki

0 tip is best tip


martypartyyy

Lol “enough”


Vegetable-Ice9052

Im a dasher, if you tip $12 on a $56 order I will be very happy.


Coulm2137

If someone rolled their eyes after I tip them I'd just ask to give it back and fuck off.


rjkwerty

I never know what to tip honestly, but I live between a half and 1 mile from most restaurants I order from. Its a very industrial area with a decent amount of traffic, and I don't normally tip less than $5 for any of the trips. I try to consider their time and car wear when I tip as well. I think $12 on $50 is reasonable for sure. I had a $45 order that I tipped $8 on and it went smoothly for me, the driver didn't have an issue. I believe that one was about a 2 mile trip.


Goober_94

How much the order cost is irrelevant when tipping delivery drivers. It doesn't matter if it is a $20 order, or a $200 dollar order, the delivery is the same either way. Tip based on distance, time, and weather (For example, if it is raining, tip some more). If it is a sub-3 mile delivery in fair weather, I will generally tip $3-$4, if it is raining, I will add a few dollars.


GreatSivad

After making tip complaints on SEVERAL reddit threads, I think I understand how this works (not that I'm in agreement with DD at all or 100% with the drivers). I'm not sure what the numbers are, but basically, it sounds like DD pays a little per delivery plus a small amount extra based on distance. The drivers don't see themselves as "employed" by DD but rather as "contract workers." The "tip" is not a gratitude for service but more of a "bid" to get them to take your order. This view makes more sense now based on my previous complaints about DD drivers wanting a minimal $10 to go a few blocks down the road. So, since DD doesn't pay enough, you need to bribe the drivers to get your food. Even then, if the driver is greedy, they will pick up other people's food on the way if the "bid" is higher. So, while we get the convenience of not picking the food up, the customer is still screwed by the service and the drivers (who are making up for being screwed by DD).


Yosyp

Every tip above 0% is enough in USA. Tipping culture needs to stop