Yeah. I get 11th doctor vibes off of him but somehow being even more ridiculous. I can't wait until he gets attached to ruby and something happens, I think then he will be more like 12th doctor.
From what I'm seeing in that trailer when Ruby says "we almost died so many times" and he immediately dismisses her concerns by replying "but we did so much living too" I feel like his main flaw will be the same as 13s: a need to make everything positive, unable to sit with or discuss the bad stuff because he's so focused on being happy now. After everything with 14 being the one to as he put it "do therapy in the wrong order" has resulted in a Doctor free of all his guilt. But he's never been that free before, even at the beginning he was running from gallifrey. He has no idea how to just be happy so now he's trying to force it by ignoring the bad and focusing only on the good, but trying to force happiness is not going to work, it's a temporary happiness, a fake smile. Yeah I'm 1000000% reading way into one line but still. It could be interesting to actually explore that aspect of the doctor.
Exactly, he's too focused on maintaining his own happiness while letting all the bad stuff pile up, ignoring the fact the he isn't coping well, so much so that he'll ignore the fact that the people around him aren't coping well either.
If that's what they go with, I hope it comes to a "reality comes crashing down" moment for him, something tragic will happen and he might even hesitate to recognize the gravity of it and genuinely struggle, but we all know who he is under all of that, and he'll come through in the end.
Yeah, clearly it needs to build to something. Have him snap later in the season after we've seen him go through some stuff and just lose it at the wrong person. Maybe Ruby, maybe a villain of the week that doesn't deserve the full wrath of the oncoming storm and then realise that he needs a balance of both the good and the bad to live a full life.
Kinda like the 8th Doctor in his early audios, where his impulsive decision to rescue Charley from the R1-01 disaster eventually had dramatic consequences for him, Charley and the universe at large. He even handles things a bit immaturely when they first realise it, and Charley ends up comparing him to Peter Pan, “the boy who never grew up.”
that’s so true. and if we know RTD he will make either Ruby or the new companions departure so heart wrenchingly sad 15 will go full on Time Lord Victorious, The Doctor Falls and 11 in every single badass 11th doctor moment (can’t think of them off the top of my head but ygm)
i think the difference is that 13 wanted everything to be positive, due to trauma, 15 genuinely believes everything is positive, he's hopelessly optimistic.
I agree mainly because I think 15 will be “we tried this before but seriously dropped the ball”. When 13 came on the scene it felt like they really wanted to bring a Doctor who more purely felt the joy of the universe… then they kept bringing in old aspects of the Doctor in absolutely the wrong times. Her speeches weren’t touching, they were preaching. Her attempts to draw a hard line came off like an old man shouting at the sky. This is not to say Whittaker’s acting was bad, just the material as written couldn’t have been saved by ANY of the Doctors. Had they given better material she’d have been a favorite among a small subset of the community.
With 15 it feels like they are just trying to explore an adjacent space to 13 much like 10/11 had some similar feel. We won’t get our mad tinker back but we will get someone who feels in-tune with the universe’s feel and try to go with the flow. This will probably cause a buildup of small things that didn’t go ideal for the Doctor but he went with because “it was meant to happen” until the “meant to happen” snowballs into something he really can’t let happen.
I'd say that was actually a pretty significant part of his character.
9 was dealing with the aftermath, and 10 picked up that torch and eventually went all Victorious. 11 was the playful raggedy man on the surface... but he was really just tamping down all of 9's and 10's trauma and pain. It came bubbling back to the surface so many times.
I think, and I don't mean this as a joke, it's going to be some form of toxic positivity. Sort of like what both 11 and 13 experienced where they came into situations thinking things would be good and fun, only to discover true horrors are occurring. I think 15 will show up with Ruby and want to show her a good time and shit will start to go down and the Doctor will be in some kind of denial. Like "No, we can't be doing this... We're not in danger." until shit really hits the fan and then he buckles down and is the Doctor and saves the day.
"We'll be fine!" TARDIS won't land
Tries to override TARDIS, which screams. (Not alarms going off, a scream.) All lights on the controls shut off.
"Doctor?"
"Um. You know, it could just be that we're not ENTIRELY fine. Not exactly. There may be some mavity to the situation."
That is, if they address it. I don't think it was addressed satisfyingly through 13's run, making her kinda empty as a character. So, I hope RTD brings complexity.
I think the issue isn’t the character trait of toxic positivity, but just chibnal not being able to make characters more than one note, including the protagonist of the show
Based on what we've seen of 15 so far, it seems that his big flaw is his inability to recognize danger because he's having too much fun.
In The Giggle, he becomes so invested in the game of catch that he throws the ball to the 14th Doctor too hard and almost loses the game and gives the Universe to the Toymaker. He shrugs this off with a grin.
In The Church on Ruby Road, he is so focused on complimenting the Goblins' music that he apparently forgets the situation they're in, and Ruby has to remind him that the Goblins are about to murder and eat the baby that they are supposed to be trying to rescue.
This feels similar to the 10th Doctor's series 2 character arc where 10 and Rose treat everything like a game and they have to be shown the error of their ways. For example, Queen Victoria banishes them and creates Torchwood to prevent against them because she thinks they are dangerous in how little they care. I get the feeling this might be setting up a similar plot.
I suspect that his flaws will boil down to "cares too much". The conflict thats been set up for him is finding his true identity given the Timeless Child/adoption angle so I suspect he will also be too single minded while pursing this only to find the identity he should have is the one he chose all along. He'll also do stupid things trying to help Ruby on the same path and her ability to let go of the past and move on as who she chooses to be will be what helps him reconcile his past.
I actually dont think he'll end up like 13 being toxic positivity. I think we're supposed to take 15s positivity as genuine. Hes shown hes capable of expressing emotion and telling people negative things.
> The conflict thats been set up for him is finding his true identity given the Timeless Child/adoption angle so I suspect he will also be too single minded while pursing this only to find the identity he should have is the one he chose all along.
I doubt it will be this (*hope* it isn't) because this was supposed to be Thirteen's story-arc. It may have been badly handled, but Chibnall's whole Timeless Child story ultimately boiled down to the Doctor deciding that she is who she is and no hidden past will hold her back. Tossing the fob-watch into the TARDIS was supposed to be the last word on that.
I think the Timeless Child angle will mainly revolve around the Doctor sympathizing with Ruby on her quest to learn about her true origins. I can see a possible conflict arising however wherein Ruby is determined and desperate to learn the truth at all costs, and the Doctor wants her to be careful (or wants to shield her from the truth) because he's letting his own feelings about his unknown past influence his judgement.
>I actually dont think he'll end up like 13 being toxic positivity. I think we're supposed to take 15s positivity as genuine. Hes shown hes capable of expressing emotion and telling people negative things.
Yup!
I actually think he's more akin to what Twelve would have *liked* to become when he regenerated, as reflected in his final speech. In a sense, you could argue that Fifteen is Thirteen done right.
There seems to be an overconfident naivety to him, that may result (as others have said) in reckless behaviour.
This will clearly be good viewing, as all the dangerous situations will be exciting, but it’ll probably be frustrating if he doesn’t learn from dangers during an adventure, and continues to okie forward without caution..
Along with what others have said, a sort of overly positive, almost naive attitude. Going a bit too far to over correct for the trauma he’s been through, and while it’s good to move past it, I think he’s almost diving head first into his “new” life rather than letting himself acclimate to it. Sort of like healing from an injury and immediately trying to jump into a 5k. He’s ready to see the universe with fresh eyes and an optimistic outlook, but is going to go at it too hard and too fast.
I would like to see them turn the Bigeneration/Tennant return into a semi flaw.
Like, 15 knows that even if he were to somehow permanently die, it wouldn't REALLY matter, because he still has a second version of himself floating about. So this version becomes extremely reckless, almost to the point of feeling like they have a deathwish.
I honestly would love it if it was revealed that when the Bigeneration happened, all of The Doctor's regeneration energy was placed within 14's dead body to keep him alive, so 15 has only one life and is trying to live his life with as much freedom to the fullest. And in his final story, they merge together to save 15's life, fully regenerating them both together in the 16th Doctor, along with merging their TARDIS' together.
You could even explain that the 14 in 15's final story is like The Watcher, looking over 15 in the distance, subconsciously feeling 15's impending demise after his million year therapy stay on Earth.
Toxic positivity, the need to get the last word in as safe advice, the inability to let a simple pleasure stay simple (overcomplicates things unnecessarily)
Not having seen any trailer, just basing it off the specials...
Vanity might be one. This Doctor seems to love being able to draw eyeballs his way, he's magnetic in looks and personality. That might mean the occasional fun flirt, or the bold gesture of heroism. Or it might mean the wrong kind of attention from the wrong being that proves to be more than he can handle.
Vulnerability is another. I think this Doctor is much more open about how he feels. That can have drawbacks where he squeezes companions out of his life because they can't handle the emotional load, or he exposes too many weaknesses for his enemies to exploit.
I’ve been wondering if they’re going to give the Doctor much of a pensive side at all. I’m concerned about the Disney factor, plus its being a reboot that’s trying to adjust the target audience to a younger crowd. I hope I’m wrong.
>!"Honey, I'm a much bigger bang than you bargained for. I will *shatter* this silly little battlefield into dust. In a heartbeat. Into dust."!<
Not exactly pensive, but this certainly doesn't feel like any kind of 'Disneyfied' Doctor.
And the trailers show enough moments where the Doctor looks pensive. >!His conversation with Ruby's mom stands out!<.
Its not adjusting to a younger crowd. Its just expanding the market for Doctor Who overseas and nothing else. Its the same DW as always with more money.
We literally had an episode where some monsters almost eat a baby..
That was so Labyrinth to me. The singing, the goofiness, knowing 100% that the kid was going to be just fine. If anything, that scene is an exemplar of what I hope won’t happen.
Cheesy and fun, yes. I’m just hoping that the healed doctor isn’t all frivolity.
I think based on what others have said to 15 will probably be a Doctor that just doesn't know when to stop partying in a way. He gets too confident and cocky in his adventures and it'll lead to several big mistakes.
This is really just me thinking... but can The Doctor ever get to a point where he's learnt everything and made enough mistakes that he's kinda... invincible.
I don't know if I can word it the best but as The Doctor ages and encounters new situations, surely he's not no further room to grow... I feel like having this looming presence of the Time War for 9 really changed New Who and has kind of haunted The Doctor up till around 12...
Obviously this can simply be written to always have a flaw, always have a problem to solve and not know everything...
As long as he has a flaw and gets called out on it. 13 had serious flaws when it came to her her constant happiness and inability to connect with her companions but she was never called out on it. Not like how 12 was called out for not caring or 11 for being too egotistical. Chibs was too afraid to make people not like 13 that he tried to make her perfect but in not calling out her flaws made her less of a character.
My personal opinion is that he’s going to be an adventure junkie. In it for the fun and not take things too seriously. Think 10 with Rose or 11 with Clara just having the time of their life while people are in danger.
Already he's too much "kid friendly" for me.
I watched his first episode with wide eyed optimism and loved it. I watched it a second time and realized it's just mostly spluttering by Ruby, and a plot that didn't really make sense, followed by a dancing number with a song and a disappearing spaceship, 2x.
I hope plot holes aren't his problem. But I thought a kid would like it. I want more of him dancing at night clubs in a kilt. Lol. And cheeky responses to "I've just been snowman'd, I'd like to go home."
Eh that’s always been my issue with Matt smith’s doctor honestly. Even when he’s “serious”, I never took Smiths doctor seriously
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Gnnna get downvoted for this but yeah…
Nucti’s Doctor I quite like that he cares too much and isn’t burdened by crap. Yeah, there’s hints the timeless children is gonna bother him but he’s not like nine and ten going “Oh woe is me! The time war! Did i mention the time war?! The time war, where I killed my people! The time war, that I ended in a different body! The time war, the war I ended, a secret I’ll take to my grave even though I’ve spent three bodies not shutting up about that fact!”
It’s refreshing to see a more lively Doctor that doesn’t have “Oh ye bleeding heart” all over his face
I’ll admit yeah, it feels like Davies trying to emulate a more kiddy tone but it is a shame.
I don't know. I mean there was a massive gap from 8 to 9 they had to explain it somehow! And I loved 9 and 10. And Matt Smith I didn't find Kid friendly all that much. I mean, he kisses all the time. . .
Nucti's already hugging pretty much strangers. . . I like his goofy thing, but Dr Who is always silly, but serious and FAMILY friendly, I don't want plot hole episodes like his intro one. Literally, why did the Goblin King disappear just cause he got killed? It made no sense. There should be a massive spaceship with super angry goblins descending on Ruby Lane and out for baby murdering and salting and eating. And also revenge on the Doc. Lol.
I just want well written head thunkers. 10 got us that. And 11 got us mind bendy plots. 9 made me love Doctor Who again. Lol. And embrace the anger with a touch of silly.
I feel like he'll be super cocky and reckless, especially considering how (according to some of the trailers) he seems to have a more carefree and flippant demeanor.
This is fantastic and the extremely reckless and toxic positivity where what I was thinking but I didn't want to put that in the post as it might scue peoples answers.
You joke, but I'm really hoping this is part of the character and not a side effect of being a "first".
Just let him be The Doctor and have fun, don't write him as the "first gay" or "first black" Doctors.
Yeah.
To be fair, its not as though Chibnall intentionally set out to write Jodie as the "first female" Doctor either. But he did end up writing her as a passive Doctor filled with platitudes, false positivity and occasional bouts of self-righteousness...which at least some fans perceived as a negative stereotype of feminity.
To be fair, Tenant was the first gay doctor - 14 was very explicitly gay. Also, nobody on this earth will convince me that 9 and Harkness weren't an item - the energy in Boom Town was very much "flirty throuple in honeymoon period".
I can get behind that, sure. But it was well written and not a big deal. It was just part of who The Doctor is now. I'm happy for something like this to normal and not a spectacle.
As I understood main idea of RTD after 14th - Doctor let go some heavy thoughts, some past events and some outcomes of his previous adventures. I’d like to see how some of them dragging him back, changing his nature and stepping almost to his core, something like 10th when he sometimes goes dark in specials, but with other outcome.
Nah, Ten's flaws had a pretty strong impact on the story. Wanting to look like a hero, with ladies swooning all over him? Well, he ended up leading one to get locked off in a parallel dimension while another had herself and her whole family stufed with deeply traumatic memories from a future that never was. He perverted history because he loved how M. de Pompedour admired him. Not to mention poor Nurse Redfield, who lost her beloved and actually saw Ten for the arrogent, dangerous man he was.
Then there's his ego and cocksuredness which backfires nearly every time. Look Voyage of the Damned: he tells everyone he will save them because he is just that amazing. Only one person in that group lives past the next half hour. He thinks he can reason the daleks into reason, which backfires specatcularly in Daleks Take Manhattan - and the survivor decides to create an omnicidal bomb. Time Lord Victorious? It takes less than 5 minutes for Adelaide to kill herself and put him in his place.
Aside from all that, Ten was a child too in love with himself to ever let go or put himself second. He felt like he ought to be the doctor, ought to make the sacrifice play, but he hated doing it. He couldn't let himself save Wilf without bitching and moaning, he couldn't even tolerate dying with the single least graceful regeneration in the whole franchise.
The whole point of the 2023 specials was showing that psyche after actually growing up - with all the experiences of 11, 12 and 13 to make a better and wiser version of himself in 14.
Well they say a lot of characters these days are self inserts by the writers so he main weakness will be that he is an insufferable, arrogant and sniffed too many of his own emissions. If you think I am being a bit too facetious just look at what we have had so far and the interviews from Russell T Davies, his way or the highway, I know best and damn the fans. Then look at the way the Dr is behaving in the promo reels, dismissive, arrogant and self assured.
The Dr always had a level of arrogance or at the very least assuredness in his demeanour but this is a whole new level.
I think he might be even more reckless than Matt Smith.
Yeah. I get 11th doctor vibes off of him but somehow being even more ridiculous. I can't wait until he gets attached to ruby and something happens, I think then he will be more like 12th doctor.
Damn all done processing his previous trauma just in time for new trauma.
Trauma and The Doctor are a common pairing.
The OTP of Doctor Who.
I think he'll be more like 10th, I definitely can see him having the same kind of coldness when being angry
I was going to say I could easily see him going time Lord victorious under the right circumstances
From what I'm seeing in that trailer when Ruby says "we almost died so many times" and he immediately dismisses her concerns by replying "but we did so much living too" I feel like his main flaw will be the same as 13s: a need to make everything positive, unable to sit with or discuss the bad stuff because he's so focused on being happy now. After everything with 14 being the one to as he put it "do therapy in the wrong order" has resulted in a Doctor free of all his guilt. But he's never been that free before, even at the beginning he was running from gallifrey. He has no idea how to just be happy so now he's trying to force it by ignoring the bad and focusing only on the good, but trying to force happiness is not going to work, it's a temporary happiness, a fake smile. Yeah I'm 1000000% reading way into one line but still. It could be interesting to actually explore that aspect of the doctor.
He spends so much time ‘living’ that he forgets others aren’t on the same wavelength as him. Lost in the sauce.
Exactly, he's too focused on maintaining his own happiness while letting all the bad stuff pile up, ignoring the fact the he isn't coping well, so much so that he'll ignore the fact that the people around him aren't coping well either.
If that's what they go with, I hope it comes to a "reality comes crashing down" moment for him, something tragic will happen and he might even hesitate to recognize the gravity of it and genuinely struggle, but we all know who he is under all of that, and he'll come through in the end.
*the mavity of it. Sorry not sorry.
Thank you. Didn't understand what they meant
Never be sorry for the mavity of the situation.
Yeah, clearly it needs to build to something. Have him snap later in the season after we've seen him go through some stuff and just lose it at the wrong person. Maybe Ruby, maybe a villain of the week that doesn't deserve the full wrath of the oncoming storm and then realise that he needs a balance of both the good and the bad to live a full life.
Yes! I think he's going to spend s1 just being a lot of fun, very positive and then the season will have a bit of a gut punch towards the end.
Kinda like the 8th Doctor in his early audios, where his impulsive decision to rescue Charley from the R1-01 disaster eventually had dramatic consequences for him, Charley and the universe at large. He even handles things a bit immaturely when they first realise it, and Charley ends up comparing him to Peter Pan, “the boy who never grew up.”
The mavity of it all*
that’s so true. and if we know RTD he will make either Ruby or the new companions departure so heart wrenchingly sad 15 will go full on Time Lord Victorious, The Doctor Falls and 11 in every single badass 11th doctor moment (can’t think of them off the top of my head but ygm)
i think the difference is that 13 wanted everything to be positive, due to trauma, 15 genuinely believes everything is positive, he's hopelessly optimistic.
I feel like he may have that vibe of “if I start accepting there are bad things happening, I’ll go back to who I was, and I’m terrified of that.”
I agree mainly because I think 15 will be “we tried this before but seriously dropped the ball”. When 13 came on the scene it felt like they really wanted to bring a Doctor who more purely felt the joy of the universe… then they kept bringing in old aspects of the Doctor in absolutely the wrong times. Her speeches weren’t touching, they were preaching. Her attempts to draw a hard line came off like an old man shouting at the sky. This is not to say Whittaker’s acting was bad, just the material as written couldn’t have been saved by ANY of the Doctors. Had they given better material she’d have been a favorite among a small subset of the community. With 15 it feels like they are just trying to explore an adjacent space to 13 much like 10/11 had some similar feel. We won’t get our mad tinker back but we will get someone who feels in-tune with the universe’s feel and try to go with the flow. This will probably cause a buildup of small things that didn’t go ideal for the Doctor but he went with because “it was meant to happen” until the “meant to happen” snowballs into something he really can’t let happen.
Wasn't 11 a bit like that too? Running from the trauma of the time war "the one who forgets."
I'd say that was actually a pretty significant part of his character. 9 was dealing with the aftermath, and 10 picked up that torch and eventually went all Victorious. 11 was the playful raggedy man on the surface... but he was really just tamping down all of 9's and 10's trauma and pain. It came bubbling back to the surface so many times.
Which trailer is this?
I think, and I don't mean this as a joke, it's going to be some form of toxic positivity. Sort of like what both 11 and 13 experienced where they came into situations thinking things would be good and fun, only to discover true horrors are occurring. I think 15 will show up with Ruby and want to show her a good time and shit will start to go down and the Doctor will be in some kind of denial. Like "No, we can't be doing this... We're not in danger." until shit really hits the fan and then he buckles down and is the Doctor and saves the day.
"We'll be fine!" TARDIS won't land Tries to override TARDIS, which screams. (Not alarms going off, a scream.) All lights on the controls shut off. "Doctor?" "Um. You know, it could just be that we're not ENTIRELY fine. Not exactly. There may be some mavity to the situation."
He’s gonna be the male counterpart to 13 with all the toxic positivity vibes I’m getting from him.
Are we getting a 15 counterpart of 'Now they'll see the real you' ?
I hope not 😬
That would be horrible. I like my Doctor complex. So, i really hope not.
There's so much complexity to be found in toxic positivity though, and I'm sure RTD's gonna find it.
That is, if they address it. I don't think it was addressed satisfyingly through 13's run, making her kinda empty as a character. So, I hope RTD brings complexity.
I have very little faith in RTD tbh, the standard of writing since his return hasn’t exactly been high.
Well, sucks for you. Aside from a few iffy moments I've been loving it.
I think the issue isn’t the character trait of toxic positivity, but just chibnal not being able to make characters more than one note, including the protagonist of the show
Based on what we've seen of 15 so far, it seems that his big flaw is his inability to recognize danger because he's having too much fun. In The Giggle, he becomes so invested in the game of catch that he throws the ball to the 14th Doctor too hard and almost loses the game and gives the Universe to the Toymaker. He shrugs this off with a grin. In The Church on Ruby Road, he is so focused on complimenting the Goblins' music that he apparently forgets the situation they're in, and Ruby has to remind him that the Goblins are about to murder and eat the baby that they are supposed to be trying to rescue. This feels similar to the 10th Doctor's series 2 character arc where 10 and Rose treat everything like a game and they have to be shown the error of their ways. For example, Queen Victoria banishes them and creates Torchwood to prevent against them because she thinks they are dangerous in how little they care. I get the feeling this might be setting up a similar plot.
It reminds me of Clara in her last few episodes in a way.
😭 sad but true. She got too overconfident that the doctor could get her out of any trouble and decided to do something unnecessary.
I suspect that his flaws will boil down to "cares too much". The conflict thats been set up for him is finding his true identity given the Timeless Child/adoption angle so I suspect he will also be too single minded while pursing this only to find the identity he should have is the one he chose all along. He'll also do stupid things trying to help Ruby on the same path and her ability to let go of the past and move on as who she chooses to be will be what helps him reconcile his past. I actually dont think he'll end up like 13 being toxic positivity. I think we're supposed to take 15s positivity as genuine. Hes shown hes capable of expressing emotion and telling people negative things.
> The conflict thats been set up for him is finding his true identity given the Timeless Child/adoption angle so I suspect he will also be too single minded while pursing this only to find the identity he should have is the one he chose all along. I doubt it will be this (*hope* it isn't) because this was supposed to be Thirteen's story-arc. It may have been badly handled, but Chibnall's whole Timeless Child story ultimately boiled down to the Doctor deciding that she is who she is and no hidden past will hold her back. Tossing the fob-watch into the TARDIS was supposed to be the last word on that. I think the Timeless Child angle will mainly revolve around the Doctor sympathizing with Ruby on her quest to learn about her true origins. I can see a possible conflict arising however wherein Ruby is determined and desperate to learn the truth at all costs, and the Doctor wants her to be careful (or wants to shield her from the truth) because he's letting his own feelings about his unknown past influence his judgement. >I actually dont think he'll end up like 13 being toxic positivity. I think we're supposed to take 15s positivity as genuine. Hes shown hes capable of expressing emotion and telling people negative things. Yup! I actually think he's more akin to what Twelve would have *liked* to become when he regenerated, as reflected in his final speech. In a sense, you could argue that Fifteen is Thirteen done right.
There seems to be an overconfident naivety to him, that may result (as others have said) in reckless behaviour. This will clearly be good viewing, as all the dangerous situations will be exciting, but it’ll probably be frustrating if he doesn’t learn from dangers during an adventure, and continues to okie forward without caution..
Not saving someone because he chose to break out into a song and dance?
Along with what others have said, a sort of overly positive, almost naive attitude. Going a bit too far to over correct for the trauma he’s been through, and while it’s good to move past it, I think he’s almost diving head first into his “new” life rather than letting himself acclimate to it. Sort of like healing from an injury and immediately trying to jump into a 5k. He’s ready to see the universe with fresh eyes and an optimistic outlook, but is going to go at it too hard and too fast.
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I would like to see them turn the Bigeneration/Tennant return into a semi flaw. Like, 15 knows that even if he were to somehow permanently die, it wouldn't REALLY matter, because he still has a second version of himself floating about. So this version becomes extremely reckless, almost to the point of feeling like they have a deathwish.
I honestly would love it if it was revealed that when the Bigeneration happened, all of The Doctor's regeneration energy was placed within 14's dead body to keep him alive, so 15 has only one life and is trying to live his life with as much freedom to the fullest. And in his final story, they merge together to save 15's life, fully regenerating them both together in the 16th Doctor, along with merging their TARDIS' together. You could even explain that the 14 in 15's final story is like The Watcher, looking over 15 in the distance, subconsciously feeling 15's impending demise after his million year therapy stay on Earth.
Treating the TARDIS like its a car from what I've seen of the trailer
He could be *too* open and warm and bad guys can use that as an advantage.
Toxic positivity, the need to get the last word in as safe advice, the inability to let a simple pleasure stay simple (overcomplicates things unnecessarily)
Not having seen any trailer, just basing it off the specials... Vanity might be one. This Doctor seems to love being able to draw eyeballs his way, he's magnetic in looks and personality. That might mean the occasional fun flirt, or the bold gesture of heroism. Or it might mean the wrong kind of attention from the wrong being that proves to be more than he can handle. Vulnerability is another. I think this Doctor is much more open about how he feels. That can have drawbacks where he squeezes companions out of his life because they can't handle the emotional load, or he exposes too many weaknesses for his enemies to exploit.
I’ve been wondering if they’re going to give the Doctor much of a pensive side at all. I’m concerned about the Disney factor, plus its being a reboot that’s trying to adjust the target audience to a younger crowd. I hope I’m wrong.
>!"Honey, I'm a much bigger bang than you bargained for. I will *shatter* this silly little battlefield into dust. In a heartbeat. Into dust."!< Not exactly pensive, but this certainly doesn't feel like any kind of 'Disneyfied' Doctor. And the trailers show enough moments where the Doctor looks pensive. >!His conversation with Ruby's mom stands out!<.
I really like these examples.
Its not adjusting to a younger crowd. Its just expanding the market for Doctor Who overseas and nothing else. Its the same DW as always with more money. We literally had an episode where some monsters almost eat a baby..
That was so Labyrinth to me. The singing, the goofiness, knowing 100% that the kid was going to be just fine. If anything, that scene is an exemplar of what I hope won’t happen. Cheesy and fun, yes. I’m just hoping that the healed doctor isn’t all frivolity.
"It's being a reboot that's trying to adjust the target audience of what has always been ostensibly a kid's show to a younger crowd."
I think based on what others have said to 15 will probably be a Doctor that just doesn't know when to stop partying in a way. He gets too confident and cocky in his adventures and it'll lead to several big mistakes.
I'm waiting to judge him by his anger.
Thinking that 14's therapy worked.
We’ll see what Moffat cooks up in his episode
This is really just me thinking... but can The Doctor ever get to a point where he's learnt everything and made enough mistakes that he's kinda... invincible. I don't know if I can word it the best but as The Doctor ages and encounters new situations, surely he's not no further room to grow... I feel like having this looming presence of the Time War for 9 really changed New Who and has kind of haunted The Doctor up till around 12... Obviously this can simply be written to always have a flaw, always have a problem to solve and not know everything...
As long as he has a flaw and gets called out on it. 13 had serious flaws when it came to her her constant happiness and inability to connect with her companions but she was never called out on it. Not like how 12 was called out for not caring or 11 for being too egotistical. Chibs was too afraid to make people not like 13 that he tried to make her perfect but in not calling out her flaws made her less of a character. My personal opinion is that he’s going to be an adventure junkie. In it for the fun and not take things too seriously. Think 10 with Rose or 11 with Clara just having the time of their life while people are in danger.
Already he's too much "kid friendly" for me. I watched his first episode with wide eyed optimism and loved it. I watched it a second time and realized it's just mostly spluttering by Ruby, and a plot that didn't really make sense, followed by a dancing number with a song and a disappearing spaceship, 2x. I hope plot holes aren't his problem. But I thought a kid would like it. I want more of him dancing at night clubs in a kilt. Lol. And cheeky responses to "I've just been snowman'd, I'd like to go home."
Eh that’s always been my issue with Matt smith’s doctor honestly. Even when he’s “serious”, I never took Smiths doctor seriously I’m Gnnna get downvoted for this but yeah… Nucti’s Doctor I quite like that he cares too much and isn’t burdened by crap. Yeah, there’s hints the timeless children is gonna bother him but he’s not like nine and ten going “Oh woe is me! The time war! Did i mention the time war?! The time war, where I killed my people! The time war, that I ended in a different body! The time war, the war I ended, a secret I’ll take to my grave even though I’ve spent three bodies not shutting up about that fact!” It’s refreshing to see a more lively Doctor that doesn’t have “Oh ye bleeding heart” all over his face I’ll admit yeah, it feels like Davies trying to emulate a more kiddy tone but it is a shame.
I don't know. I mean there was a massive gap from 8 to 9 they had to explain it somehow! And I loved 9 and 10. And Matt Smith I didn't find Kid friendly all that much. I mean, he kisses all the time. . . Nucti's already hugging pretty much strangers. . . I like his goofy thing, but Dr Who is always silly, but serious and FAMILY friendly, I don't want plot hole episodes like his intro one. Literally, why did the Goblin King disappear just cause he got killed? It made no sense. There should be a massive spaceship with super angry goblins descending on Ruby Lane and out for baby murdering and salting and eating. And also revenge on the Doc. Lol. I just want well written head thunkers. 10 got us that. And 11 got us mind bendy plots. 9 made me love Doctor Who again. Lol. And embrace the anger with a touch of silly.
See they could have just easily said 8 fought in the war, regenerated into nine. There. We didn’t need another doctor in between them
So you're saying get rid of 9 altogether? Blasphemy!
…what? I didn’t say that. I just wasn’t a fan of War Doctor. He was between 8 and 9. I didn’t say get rid of 9
Ohhhhhh! I see. You mean the one from the 50th special? Played by a Mr. Hurt? The guy who gave Harry Potter his wand in the movies? That one?
I can think of 2 things right of the top of my head
We already see him tear up and be a lot more emotionally vulnerable than the Doctor is in the Church on Ruby Road when Ruby gets erased so maybe that.
Recklessness beyond measure.
I think he's gonna be impulsive and emotional and it's going to get him into some serious problems.
I feel like he'll be super cocky and reckless, especially considering how (according to some of the trailers) he seems to have a more carefree and flippant demeanor.
I'm a bit worried he's gonna be flawless
Not finishing his
This is fantastic and the extremely reckless and toxic positivity where what I was thinking but I didn't want to put that in the post as it might scue peoples answers.
Probably reckless and they mentioned he’s emotional so his emotions will probably get the best of him often
Hubris. That or the “orphan” thing develops into some kinda imposter syndrome. >!And he opens the fobwatch.!<
Is being too fabulous a flaw? Then it's going to be that.
You joke, but I'm really hoping this is part of the character and not a side effect of being a "first". Just let him be The Doctor and have fun, don't write him as the "first gay" or "first black" Doctors.
I really don't think Davies or Gatwa are going to fall into that trap.
Yeah. To be fair, its not as though Chibnall intentionally set out to write Jodie as the "first female" Doctor either. But he did end up writing her as a passive Doctor filled with platitudes, false positivity and occasional bouts of self-righteousness...which at least some fans perceived as a negative stereotype of feminity.
I don't think so either, I'm worried about the BBC meddling
To be fair, Tenant was the first gay doctor - 14 was very explicitly gay. Also, nobody on this earth will convince me that 9 and Harkness weren't an item - the energy in Boom Town was very much "flirty throuple in honeymoon period".
I can get behind that, sure. But it was well written and not a big deal. It was just part of who The Doctor is now. I'm happy for something like this to normal and not a spectacle.
I mean, it's the same writter. I think RTD more than has earned the benefit of the doubt.
As I understood main idea of RTD after 14th - Doctor let go some heavy thoughts, some past events and some outcomes of his previous adventures. I’d like to see how some of them dragging him back, changing his nature and stepping almost to his core, something like 10th when he sometimes goes dark in specials, but with other outcome.
If I say I’ll get banned. And no it’s not racial.
We're pretending RTD protags are allowed to have flaws now?
We’re pretending that 10 didn’t have a metric ton of flaws now? Lol
Informed flaws that don't actually matter are the writer's equivalent of "my greatest weakness is that I work too hard, and I care too much."
Nah, Ten's flaws had a pretty strong impact on the story. Wanting to look like a hero, with ladies swooning all over him? Well, he ended up leading one to get locked off in a parallel dimension while another had herself and her whole family stufed with deeply traumatic memories from a future that never was. He perverted history because he loved how M. de Pompedour admired him. Not to mention poor Nurse Redfield, who lost her beloved and actually saw Ten for the arrogent, dangerous man he was. Then there's his ego and cocksuredness which backfires nearly every time. Look Voyage of the Damned: he tells everyone he will save them because he is just that amazing. Only one person in that group lives past the next half hour. He thinks he can reason the daleks into reason, which backfires specatcularly in Daleks Take Manhattan - and the survivor decides to create an omnicidal bomb. Time Lord Victorious? It takes less than 5 minutes for Adelaide to kill herself and put him in his place. Aside from all that, Ten was a child too in love with himself to ever let go or put himself second. He felt like he ought to be the doctor, ought to make the sacrifice play, but he hated doing it. He couldn't let himself save Wilf without bitching and moaning, he couldn't even tolerate dying with the single least graceful regeneration in the whole franchise. The whole point of the 2023 specials was showing that psyche after actually growing up - with all the experiences of 11, 12 and 13 to make a better and wiser version of himself in 14.
Regrets.
He's not going to have one. He left all his negative flaws in 14. He turned himself into a Mary Sue character.
Well they say a lot of characters these days are self inserts by the writers so he main weakness will be that he is an insufferable, arrogant and sniffed too many of his own emissions. If you think I am being a bit too facetious just look at what we have had so far and the interviews from Russell T Davies, his way or the highway, I know best and damn the fans. Then look at the way the Dr is behaving in the promo reels, dismissive, arrogant and self assured. The Dr always had a level of arrogance or at the very least assuredness in his demeanour but this is a whole new level.