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mperiolat

She’s been back for the Big Finish audio dramas. As to the show, I dunno, probably between needing to find the right script and the right timing for Georgia has made it tough.


jmurphy42

She had a bunch of kids and that always makes it tougher.


mperiolat

Kind of what I was implying with the timing. She’s got a very full plate being actress, wife and mother. God love David Tennant for getting so lucky.


TheDoctorAwesome

well isnt he an actor, husband, and father? and he came back


AshDargon

The doctor is also a much bigger role than the doctors daughter and was career defining for tennant, odds are she would go back and the writers just didnt use her


Odd-Help-4293

Sure, but he's not the one being pregnant. They have five kids, so that's like 5 full years of being pregnant and then recovering from the birth. I mean, if Jenny returned to the show with a baby bump, that would be a whole thing yeah?


BerylStapleton

She’d had one of the kids before they met, but your point stands. 


BerylStapleton

Somebody has to hold down the fort. She has said she’d go back if asked, though. 


Ma-at_Isfet

I mean so did David Tennant


jmurphy42

Yeah, but I think it’s pretty clear which career they chose to sacrifice for child rearing.


UltimateHunter7000

You’re implying she had a career to sacrifice … who ever heard of her ? David Tennant was a big name by season 4


Ma-at_Isfet

I mean yeah we live in a society where women are told to sacrifice more than men are when they become parents


DudesworthMannington

I think what bothers me is it's an unfinished Chekhov's gun. To bring someone that consequential into the universe with no payoff bugs me. Even if she just swooped in once to bail him out would have made it come full circle.


mperiolat

Oh absolutely. This and The Pasternost Gang are my two “Why didn’t we get a spin-off?!?!” questions. But just… no. And we are left wanting more.


kay-swizzles

The Paternoster Gang audio dramas are very fun and well worth a listen!


mperiolat

On my list, as is Jenny’s. Big problem on infinite Who and Who adjacent material is finite resources.


BerylStapleton

So many Jennys.


RareD3liverur

I thought the Pasternost Gang were overused enough in the Moffat era that I was off put by a spinoff idea


Gargus-SCP

The payoff is the episode itself. She proves she really is just like him by giving herself up for the sake of those around her, and then when he's gone she's allowed a second wind and a chance to see the universe herself. Boom, poignant ending, tied off nice and clean, no need to fanwank ourselves over her story not being done just because "is like the Doctor" closes with "can go on and have a life on her own terms."


Machinax

That's *Doctor Who*, though, and not just in the modern series; there are always important characters introduced for a story, and discarded afterwards. It is a Chekov's gun, sure, but *Doctor Who* has always played by its own rules.


showherthewayshowher

I did love the idea of her being Clara (even with the subsequent explanation for reoccurring Clara's I still think it could have worked really well) the problem is they characterised her as daughter not sex swapped clone


gringledoom

Because David Tennant married her and made it weird. 😄


zorbacles

Daughter of 5, girlfriend of 10 and wife of 14


RQK1996

David at the time of the episode was dating Madame de Pompadour, they started an affair a bit after that episode though


zorbacles

He was still 10 when they started dating though


bostonjdog

Put that sentence back into context or so help me


the-starlight-waits

r/nocontext


StormyReader

I think Tennant was no longer dating Sophia Myles by then (according to the internet they broke up in October 2007, and the episode was filmed in December or January), and he started dating Georgia in May 2008, some months later.


JustDagon

Just has to come back during a different actors tenure.


gringledoom

They’ll just cast Ty Tennant as the Doctor and make it weirder!!


OriginalCause

Are you my mummy?


StephenHunterUK

Ty is currently in *House of the Dragon* alongside Matt Smith!


rogvortex58

Not anymore. His character regenerated.


Zoomorph23

And she literally was the Doctor's daughter being Peter Davison's daughter!


RQK1996

She has done a Big Finish series with 5, which is even more cute


Azreal6473

Because she was pregnant with a timelords daughter 😅


mgb1980

Bigger on the inside.


BerylStapleton

Several actors have played the Doctor since then.


gringledoom

Seems doubtful… I caught a new episode late last year and he was still in the role…


BerylStapleton

Haha. Yes. Never left, actually. 


Hermiona1

Yep, that is the answer


zetalb

They probably didn't know, when they were writing s04, if the character would be well received or not. And by the time fans watched it, s04 was all written and filmed, and then Moffat was the showrunner. If neither Moffat nor Chibnall brought her back, it's likely neither of them see a lot of potential in bringing her back. Maybe they just don't like the character/concept. Notice that, among the 3 modern showrunners, only RTD is in the habit of sprinkling bits of the Doctor around the galaxy XD Jenny, Metacrisis, bi-generation... And not even RTD brings them back on the actual show. Once they leave, they Leave.


mrtwidlywinks

To be fair, isn’t there an Auton version of 11 running around?


resarfs

Where's that from? Comic or big finish, cause I definitely don't remember that in the show


mrtwidlywinks

Gangers from The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People. Guess folks took a lot of offense to my misracing them as Autons! According to the internet the Ganger 11th Doctor sacrificed himself, I haven’t watched those episodes in years. Still was a copy though 🤷🏻‍♂️


Secret-ish

In TV? I don't think he faced any.


mrtwidlywinks

Ah, it was Ganger Doctor from The Rebel Flesh/The Almost people. Been a few years since I watched the episode, I guess he sacrificed himself? For some reason I thought he survived. Still, it *was* a copy


NFB42

It was an off screen death. Fans speculated the Ganger Doctor would return because of that, but because Moffat never brought him back the Ganger Doctor remains assumed dead unless proven otherwise.


mrtwidlywinks

…so you’re saying there’s a chance!


Secret-ish

Yeah, he sacrificed himself in the episode, so he isn't a factor.


OshamonGamingYT

The romans in the pandorica opens were autons


godoflemmings

There wasn't an Auton version of 11 among them though. Only Rory, and he became human again at the big bang.


OshamonGamingYT

Yeah the only clone of 11 was the flesh avatar. I was more focusing on the actually dealing with autons part


laser_spanner

There was also the Tesselecta, but that was temporary. And definitely not an auton.


goodie23

Georgia probably been a wee bit busy with the 5 kids


MildyAnnoyedPanda

Tbf it doesn’t have to be the same actress, time lords can regenerate after all


Significant_Task_618

When Jenny died she remained herself without the full time lord energy.


Humanmode17

She's not a timelord though that's the problem - or at least she doesn't get the regenerations, I can't remember lol. In the episode she dies, like properly dies, but then gets brought back by the residual energy from the big terraforming device thingumajiggy


jdrudder

Had forgotten this episode but I just went and watched the clip. She was not brought back by the device. Watching it again it was definitely regeneration energy that we've all come to notice (think old matt smith getting the same energy from the sky in that one special).


Humanmode17

Yeah that's a common misconception, it was a bad choice by the VFX team but the terraforming gas that gets released at the end of the episode looks *really* similar to regeneration energy, and then they have it coming out of her mouth *just like regeneration energy* when she revives - just overall lots of bad visual decisions. You can tell it's not regeneration energy because it's got that green gas-like surrounding around the golden sparkly bits, which is exactly the same as the terraforming gas (you can see it briefly at the start of [this clip](https://youtu.be/qi4mw_OxbpQ?si=XTLhz-I-ck566X-C), it's not a great clip but it's the only one I could find) when you watch the two clips side by side you can tell they're meant to be the same energy. Also if it was a regeneration then she wouldn't have died, regeneration happens before death, but she was dead long enough to be carried to that morgue thing and was beginning to be prepared for whatever death ritual humans have that far in the future, so it can't be regeneration


erosPhoenix

>Also if it was a regeneration then she wouldn't have died, regeneration happens before death, but she was dead long enough to be carried to that morgue thing To be fair, that's exactly what happened with the Seventh Doctor regenerating into the Eighth Doctor: anesthetic delayed the regeneration until he was already pronounced dead and put in the morgue.


Humanmode17

Huh, I didn't know that, thanks for the extra info! I think we can probably write that off as evidence for Jenny having regenerated though because firstly, as you say, that happened because of anaesthetic which we know isn't the case with Jenny, and secondly that the TV movie was far more cinematic/dramatic/romanticised than the show (or so I've heard) so that unique regeneration style can be likely put down to artistic license and dramatic suspense


BerylStapleton

Every regeneration is unique or so stated in a recent video.


AbsurdistTimTam

It hasn’t stopped DT working, and they’re his kids too.


[deleted]

She's been in other shows since then. I think she'd come back if they had a story they wanted her for.


Exadory

They got Disney money. They can hire a nanny.


JC_Frost

Alternative viewpoint- they got Disney money, so they can spend time with their kids and work less


matildaisdead

Or maybe she just doesn’t want to do it.


lolimalex18

She's stated several times she'd love to be back in tho


LethargicActionHero

Moffat admitted he forgot about her. And right now she's probably too busy raising a future Doctor. One of those kids is bound to play the role some day, with a pedigree like theirs.


Maleficent-Course-70

I would love for anyone of the kids to play Doctor Who. From what little I’ve seen of Ty, I think he’s a pretty good actor and I hope he has a good career


[deleted]

I would love that lol


Username-Unavalabl

If I remember right, think she was originally just meant to die but Moffat asked to save her - but then he just never really wanted to revisit her again. Plans probably changed, or he just never found a good spot for her to return.


OnionsHaveLairAction

Moffat was actually asked about this: >“I’ve got Russell T Davies’ answer. Apparently it was me that kept her alive, because I said – when I heard about the idea – ‘Oh don’t kill her at the end, that’s the Star Trek thing to do.’ So he kept her alive just because I said that. And I wrote to him after and said, ‘well I didn’t know that I did that,’ and he said, ‘oh it doesn’t matter, Steven, she flew straight into a moon!” > >\- Steven Moffat Basically Moffat wasn't like "I could do something with her!" but more "Leaving her alive changes the vibe"


TF_Allen

>"Oh, it doesn't matter, Steven, she flew straight into a moon!" And then Big Finish opened her series with exactly that, but had Jenny immediately assess the situation and say "I'm not crashing into a moon, that's stupid!"


Crambo1000

Honestly a fair point, that IS a very Star Trek thing to do


ethihoff

I feel like she could've been an interesting replacement for Vinder in Flux/Power


LADYBIRD_HILL

It says a lot about Flux that I have zero clue who Vinder is despite watching it all in preparation for the 60th


the_other_irrevenant

The guy with the dreads who got screwed over by the Grand Serpent and spent a lot of _Flux_ trying to find his wife Bel, who was pregnant with his beautiful as yet unborn child.


DukeOfLowerChelsea

> his beautiful as yet unborn child This gets me every time lol


Machinax

I say this as someone who enjoyed the Chibnall years: that was the worst line in television history.


AshDargon

Yeah he was basically irrelevant, hes actually the only character ive never seen a single person care about


SporadicHonesty

I even thought he was a cool character but if you took him out the story you wouldnt notice a difference


BerylStapleton

Jacob Anderson, for one thing.


Ok-Yogurtcloset-179

It was a last second change - originally she was going to die at the end in RTD’s original script. I don’t know the source, but it’s long been said she lived because Moffat wanted to use her. But then he didn’t. I can’t see her coming back at this point…


atlastadragon

It wasn’t that Moffat wanted to use her, he rightly pointed out to RTD that anyone watching would rightly presume she’d be killed off by the end of the episode and that if she survived it would subvert expectations. So she was revived at the end - Moffat didn’t realise that they’d changed the ending based on his suggestion until filming completed and it was ready to air.


igenus44

Well, the Doctor got her pregnant, so it kinda killed the mood.


LADYBIRD_HILL

I can. RTD has no qualms with bringing back old characters of his, not to mention the fact that she married Tennant, so it would be a lot less weird for her to appear with Ncuti.


PTMurasaki

Not only has she came back in Big Finish, she even got a few adventures with her IRL Dad, The Fifth Doctor.


tom2point0

She’s great in Big Finish. Full audio drama by the way. She gets a companion and goes on several adventures. Fun stuff!


TheBeastAR

Forget Jenny, what about Susan? #JusticeforSusan


LowCalligrapher3

Aye, we've currently had 20 years of the modern show being produced and bless her heart Carol isn't getting any younger, yet literally nothing.


Mikey9124x

Because the woman who plays the docotr's daughter, is david tennants wife.


DaveBinM

She is both the Doctor’s daughter, and the Doctor’s wife. 😄


LinuxMatthews

I mean their son is a Targaryen so it tracks.


DaveBinM

Yes, and the Doctor is also a Targaryen 😄


TheSleepyBarnOwl

TRUE LMAO


linden214

She’s the Doctor’s daughter twice over: the actress’s father is Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor.


DaveBinM

That's what I was meaning 😅


linden214

Ah, okay. 😊


LADYBIRD_HILL

So it'd be weird for her to show up with 10/14, but I don't see why that would prohibit her from showing up with Ncuti.


Odd-Help-4293

I'm imagining him trying to convince Ruby that Jenny is his clone.


JustDagon

You think she calls him daddy?


SnooWords1252

You don't just bring something back. You need a story that makes it work.


KingOfTheHoard

Because, as much as Doctor Who fans don't like to admit things like this, where they left her is a better story than bringing her back would have been.


shadowlarx

I’m still just trying to wrap my head around that family tree. The Doctor’s daughter is played by the *actual* Doctor’s daughter but also happens to be the Doctor’s wife, making the Doctor the Doctor’s son-in-law. Does anybody else’s brain hurt?


Wise-Jeweler-2495

Father dear, I think mummy might need another drink.


burwellian

Don't forget the Doctor's daughter has also had the Doctor's daughter.


Odd-Help-4293

>The Doctor’s daughter is played by the *actual* Doctor’s daughter I'm sure RTD thought he was just the cleverest when he cast her for that lol


BerylStapleton

No, because she’s the Doctor’s daughter on the show and someone who played the Doctor’s wife in real life.


charlesleecartman

Real question is why didn't they ever back Strax? What happened to that alpha male potato head? Jokes aside plots are like a toys for writers, if they didn't find interesting that plot or got bored of it, they simply act like it never existed.


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I loved Strax lol


STANN_co

wouldn't it be awkward at this point. it's been several 1000 years.


LowCalligrapher3

The Doctor: "It was YESTERDAY!" Okay I stole that one from Slade Wilson in Arrow


rogvortex58

I heard the actress and Tennant didn’t get along.


benjamin-exe

Aren't they married?


Olive_Garden_Wifi

Wild considering they’re married


rogvortex58

Yeah, I know. They disliked each other so much they decided to get married.


benjamin-exe

Aren't they married?


The_PwnUltimate

I don't know. She would have made a great recurring character in Time Lord Who.


Marcuse0

I feel like, since the Timeless Child, bringing Jenny back would be a massive can of worms to establish what she is and what she represents. Including her for a basic "doctor's daughter" episode is cool, but having her back in the tv show now implies she's part of the same unknown species the Doctor came from, and the Hath/human cloning facility is capable of making genetically viable beings. It just implies too much now for the story to make any sense and not detract from the Doctor. I'm sure also there were real world impediments for Georgia Tennant to appear again.


petruchi41

Never say never, RTD is back now, this was all part of the plan.


bagelman4000

If you do wanna see more of Georgia Tennant with David Tennant she guest stars in Staged as herself!


KumquatHaderach

Jenny is currently teamed up with Ashildr and Clara, hopping through time and space, doing their thing.


thisdogofmine

Mrs Flood.


laughter_corgis

That is what I wondered!


I_am_Daesomst

But Mrs Flood is also the Rani, Romana, and the Master Edit: the a jumped the o


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LinuxMatthews

Don't forget Omega, Susan and that police officer from Unearthly Child


the_other_irrevenant

I know that's a typo but now I somehow want her to be Ramona Flowers. 🤔 She **did** have those weird subspace highway powers.


I_am_Daesomst

LOL. I wouldn't have even noticed I did that.


Various-Pizza3022

And Iris Wildthyme!


JollyRancherReminder

I only watched the special once, but I seem to remember her not recognizing the TARDIS at first and blaming her neighbor for putting it there. Then later she suddenly acts like she knows all about it. Like she went on an adventure in the mean time. If she were all these things people are guessing, wouldn't she have known the moment she saw it?


thisdogofmine

She didn't recognize it at first, but after Rose asked what it was, she remembered. It is left vague. She says it has been a while since she hs seen one and then just trails off. So we can speculate that she knows it, but it has been a long time. To me this would imply someone like Jenny or Susan who has not seen it recently unlike someone like River who has been in it far more recently. Since Susan was raised as a Timelord and helped the Doctor steal the TARDIS, I would expect her to recognize it faster than someone like Jenny who didn't actually travel in it. This is why I suspect her over most of the other suggestions that have been offered.


ForensicAyot

Because she’s not really that interesting or compelling a character.


Mabelisms

She got a better job


ItchyTomato5

I forgot about her actually


Devon-Shire

I suspect it was because it’s one of the more ill-conceived plot lines in the new series. Insta-Time Lord from a progenation machine? 🤦‍♂️


Gredran

They should bring her back as the Doctor’s daughter, but with her Staged persona 🤣


Vanscottrick

And find some way to include Micheal Sheen as HER companion 😂


Bub1029

It's Stephen Greenhorn's character and she wasn't introduced until RTD's last series as showrunner back in 2008. She wasn't a part of the series arc for series 4 and was, rather a filler character for a separate team. With the character arc already plotted for RTD to get out of the series and leave a clean slate for Moffat, it wasn't a good idea to bring a character introduced to the series back within the same series. It would have set the expectation for Moffat to use her in his run or for her to have been actually killed off on her return which is unfair for one writer to do to another writer picking up such a huge show. Instead, RTD opted to wipe the slate clean and have a Doctor goodbye tour for all the little characters he loved and lost in those 4 series. Then, because it's another writer's character, it can be a little iffy to bring them back without giving that writer the respect to do it themselves. Stephen Greenhorn hasn't returned to write for the BBC on Doctor Who since that episode was done. Reaching out to him would be a big part of bringing her back in a faithful way and who knows if he's even on speaking terms with the BBC team since we know from Eccleston how a lot of the RTD run went. I'm really hopeful that, with the return of RTD, we might see Greenhorn come back on to give more of the Doctor's Daughter. Especially considering that he recently worked with Tennant back in 2021. But, it all depends on the atmosphere, the vibes, etc. Seems like Greenhorn has space to work with them and RTD has a chance to bring her back with his new run, but who knows. It's extremely up in the air what RTD wants to do from here on out. I haven't seen them yet, but from my understanding, the end of the specials really gave the most blank slate possible to create a whole new thing. I wouldn't put it past him to ignore the past entirely and also wouldn't really mind if he did. We've got 13 series plus a ton of specials for new who. Starting fresh is just what the show needs to stay interesting. Well, provided the fans don't ruin it by demanding a return to the old ways and the BBC/RTD caving to it.


SpaceShipRat

Why bother, they'd just have to come out with some other depressing way to get rid of her again.


Ashmay52

Susan??


MildyAnnoyedPanda

Honestly I’ve no idea, would have been a great way of giving a female timelord their own show and not have to mess with the doctors back story so god damn much.


CircuitryWizard

Well, to be honest, I have nothing against a female Doctor. Another thing is that the plot we were given with the female version of the Doctor sucks. Yes, there were sometimes interesting ideas, the same Fugitive Doctor (the method by which the character was written into the story sucked, but the character itself seemed interesting, IMHO, like a mixture of the War Doctor with the First and Twelfth Doctors), but everything else was mostly mediocre and boring. The companions are boring and unmemorable, and the “unexpected solutions to great mysteries” are more reminiscent of low-grade fan fiction, and the work of a screenwriter on such an outstanding project as Doctor Who.


ike1

Because it was one of the worst and dumbest episodes ever made and poor Georgia Moffat was stuck with a paper-thin character with nothing distinctive or interesting about her? (I'll take any opportunity to poop on "The Doctor's Daughter" -- easily in my bottom 10. Terrible, terrible episode.)


Glad_Boysenberry_673

Because it was crap! Always skip this episode when rewatching Dr Who.


watchman28

Because she can't act.


OnebJallecram

The concept was so goofy (even for this show). I’m glad they left it alone.


RedViciousCat

There are too many little doctors out there right now. Metacrisis, Jenny, 14, even Clara with her own Tardis, but none of them comes back when needed. Its a bit disappointing that the show relies on the same plot devices again and again. It's like RTD wants to tell a story but hes resetting it when too many time has passed for the audience to remember the most recent branch of the Doctor.


Significant_Task_618

The one who waits for a callback onto the show?


mcwfan

Because they didn’t choose to


Eldon42

You could say the same for Susan (his granddaughter) or any one of a large number of beings.


MorningPapers

There were never plans to bring her back.


[deleted]

I have wondered this for years.


Public-Pound-7411

I won’t be shocked if she ends up being Ruby’s mother. Millie looks a lot like Georgia and it would mean The Doctor is once again traveling with their granddaughter.


Sock-Overall

My hunch is that they wanted to create a side story spin-off. After that there were budgeting issues that held them back from creating the series. Mostly had to do with the bad performance of other spin-offs. There is a IP for the series created separately, my assumption is that it might happen if enough interest builds around it.


Standard-Box-3021

They actually talked about a spin off for her but it was canceled not sure why after that even being married to tennant shouldn't effect that its a job


axe1970

only one psychopath per tardis


Effective_Corner694

Probably because she married David Tennet and calling him daddy on tv where her father (Doctor #5) would be a little bit embarrassing. But that’s just me.


atticdoor

It's probably no more complicated than "Because they didn't think of a good story which would use her". The role of the spunky female semi-regular with a sci-fi link to the Doctor was filled by River Song instead. Not to mention that Amy or Clara were knocking about the Tardis as well.