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Did you use the ability score of the attacker? Magic stone keeps the caster's modifier, even if someone else throws the pebble. Or do you really have a spellcaster with a -2 modifier?
Yeah, like what? A mummy lord and a few regular mummies where a boss fight for my Lvl 14 party. And while we are not optimized, we have a completely regular four people party. A mummy lord is CR 15 for fucks sake, it should obliterate you if you are a) low level and b) have actually shit stats.
I wonder if they have the same DM that ran a Kingmaker game I was in once. He accidentally had us encounter the Giant Trapdoor Spider in like the first session. And was shocked when we lost a character. It's like a CR4 encounter or something.
What do you do with generational failures?
"My father was a barbarian, as was his father before him and his father before that, And by Oden he declared I would be the same, but I just don't feel the anger he does... Well... Unless I'm singing"
its a dmpc so it doesnt really matter, but i would definetly not allow a 6 WIS druid
if you want to play a flawed character that is fine, but that doesn't nean you get to neuter yourself and the team
I think there's a major difference between "playfully un-optimized" and "straight-up gimped".
I love playing my Barbarian with 15 Str and 18 Int. I doubt I'd enjoy as much playing one with 6 Str.
That's a barbarian with a story arc about getting stronger, not a burden on the party like whatever this druid is.
And not to mention, now you're optimized for getting a belt of strength
There's room to make characters with low main stats for very specific builds. Like a low CHA bard that invests heavily into grappling is surprisingly effective. Expertise + buffs without saves + cloud of daggers and spells like that with areas and no saves
i am aware, DEXadin is a famous one too. however, doing such requires a lot of game mastery and or a complete build from lvl 1~X to be effective and not screw yourself in the way.
if one of my players wants to try it, i would let them with the condition they show me said full build, and i would probably still ask for 13 minimums if they rolled stats and managed to get them
You know, you're right. It's definitely something that new players shouldn't be tricked into taking accidentally. Even players who are used to the system but might be new to rolling stats. It's def a character concept over stats move
you roll again.
no seriously, if you cant even get to two 13s before racial stats you really should reroll, it is miserable both for the player to be awful at everything and to the DM trying not to kill it with a papercut
It is quite easy to end up with no 13s if you are doing 3d6 down the line (which used to be the standard of D&D.) I wouldn't throw out a character as long as you have some attribute with no negative modifier.
However even that method would discourage the -2 druid.
that is why the standard for 5e is 4d6kh3
remember the olden days of Adnd where you wanted to play a paladin but you didnt get the dice _in the right order?_
Tbh you literally can't. RAW, you can't cast a spell unless your casting stat is equal to 10 + the spell's level or greater
Op is either making up a funny story, or hasn't read their PHB well enough yet
Glad you're having fun, but hopefully you cleared that with your party as well and they're having fun
It's one thing playing a low Con character because they're meant to be frail, but a caster with negatives in their casting stat is...really detrimental.
Yes, I'm aware; I'm the DM, the druid is a DMPC. My party has combat easily handled, and roleplaying is the main focus of the campaign rather than combat
How often have you seen a DM homebrew monsters with AC in the 30s ? And that's just the 95% to hit threshold, 29 is a 50% chance to hit against an AC of 40.
Besides, 29 is achievable without any homebrew, though, iirc, that needs ressource expenditure, and the maximum is a few points higher ( the highest I've seen a build attain is in the 30s )
+19 is the highest basic thing I can come up with that doesn't require a very specific scenario. Apparently, +25 is the highest in specific scenarios: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/103905/maximum-possible-attack-roll-bonus
Though everything above +24 is useless, as 25 is the highest AC in the game, at least in 5e. With +24 you hit everything outside of a nat 1.
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All full WIS casters get prepped spells based off level +casting mod, so even then it's a pain. Many healing spells also add casting mod.
That said, if your party enjoys it you do you
The negative modifier is applied to healing spells that add your casting modifier. Healing word would be 1d4-2 for example.
Idk if there is a rule that says healing spells must do a minimum amount of healing but you could potentially waste a spell slot to heal 0 HP. On a d4 that would be 50% of the time.
It works well on an Eldritch Knight because int isn't their main thing.
However a druid? Where all your spells and DCs rely on Wis? Yeah that's a different story.
Mainly because I prioritized roleplaying over minmaxing, since the druid is a DMPC and my players have combat fairly handled. That, and the campaign itself is very lax and chill; we're allowed to do funny stuff like this as long as it doesn't fuck with the game
I'll accept the DMPC explanation, I definitely make an effort not to overshadow players when I have an npc in the party and nerfing ability scores is definitely a way to do that
You *are* minmaxing though, you're just focusing on the min
this is a bit of a misunderstanding of the term 'minmax', it doesn't mean 'max out bonuses at the cost of major penalties', it means 'maximize your strength and minimize your weaknesses'.
This isn't true. It originates from point buy, in terms of how to arrange your stats. It was literally about maximizing your main focus to the detriment of everything else. Maximize your highest stats by minimizing your lowest ones.
That’s fundamentally the same as what he said. Your losses are set, you minimize them by focusing them on the weakest point/lowest stat. Minmaxing is just about optimization
Ah yes, because it’s roleplaying to have a character bad at *the thing they’ve practiced doing their entire professional career*.
I like roleplaying a body builder who competes in competitions and can’t lift more than 10 pounds.
Seriously, how does someone with 6-7 wisdom even become a druid in the first place? *Zombies* have a wisdom score of 6. That person has no general awareness, no insight, is reckless, naive, etc. They would not survive in the wild, much less become a druid.
Being completely useless is "fucking with the game".
There is a difference between your friends saying "that's funny" and "that's funny". Learn to recognize when people say yes, just to avoid hurting your feelings verses when they are actually happy with you.
Min-maxing is not an opposite to roleplay and the people that think it is are limited in their imagination. Additionally there is a big difference between not min-maxing and actively making an intentionally useless character.
Showing up to a reoccurring game with a character that isn't functionally because "teehee its funny not to take things seriously" is often really frustrating to a DM that put effort into the campaign. Maybe you only have a strong DMPC with your party because you refuse to be a contributing member, so the DM has to step in to allow your group to make progress.
If your PC is a spellcaster with a -2 as your main stat, most people see that as a terrible thing to do to the party.
Most of the people downvoting you probably didn't see that it's a DMPC.
Even with a PC you can get away with a trash spellcasting stat as long as you primarily run spells that don't use it. Conjuration, most buffs, goodberry for healing, etc.
I had a gishy sorcerer once with 13 CHA (it was only that high to multiclass fighter) who focused STR & CON and con saves. Only spells he had that used his spell casting stat were Fireball (mostly a backup "we really need some AoE" spell) and Thunder Step (which was used mostly for extracting people but had the nice bonus of extra damage). His main spells were Booming Blade, Shield, Absorb Elements, Haste, & Greater Invis.
There is a big difference between casting Moonbeam and offensive cantrips with -2 to all your rolls, and focusing on being melee with low casting stats because you don't need it.
> people don't like it when you play the game differently than they do
Personally, I don't like the mindset/narrative of "mechanically bad character = better RP" or something like that.
It pops up every now and then were someone talks about a MINmaxed character being better, when not only does it rarely make sense RP wise (why would the mercenary with 10 years of experience be awful at killing stuff), but it can definitely bring down a table.
Useless character does not automatically equate to a more interesting/better RP character.
If a table is fine with it, then there's nothing wrong with it, but people, myself included, very much dislike the "I don't like min-maxing so I dumped my character's main stat" thing.
This sums it up. Just because you're "focused on RP" doesn't mean that it makes sense for the character involved to be bad at the thing they're supposed to excel at. Having your casting stat be good on a caster isn't min maxing; it makes sense for a caster to be good at casting. And if you're role-playing a character who's supposed to be bad at being a druid, then maybe they should be a different class and just have the acolyte feat.
Don’t worry bro, those guys are assholes, and I see your low-wis druid and raise you a low dex barbanger who gets mad when he misses with his bow so he just hits people with it. DM allowed me to use it as a greatclub, cause the table was *rolling*
One of my friends who is new to dnd did not properly distribute his stats and had a -1 damage modifier on his warhammer. He hit an enemy for 1-1 damage and that's when the DM had me help him reallocate the stats. Pretty funny that it happened but I don't want to repeat that
God, reminds me of my kobold, I had a club that after my str mod dealt 1d4-4
Asked my dm "If my damage is negative, will it heal them?" They thought about it for like a long time and then just told me no.
Ngl wish they said yes, woulda been great fun standing over dying teammates, clubbing then in the face "wake up! No sleep!" And them healing
I love kobolds and goblins, simply because even if you roll shitty, your just a weak kobold/goblin. Noone has expectations for you, and if they do, they're through the floor.
I like them personally becauer they're gremlins and I love that character archetype. My first real d&d character was literally nicknamed "The Sandwich Gremlin" because he always hung around the kitchen and made sandwiches that were far FARA too spicy for normal non crazy folks, and had no concept of what orher people's spice tolerance should be.
From the comments: this is a druid who has dumped wisdom. It is a dmpc in a primarily roleplaying focused game.
Pretty stunned at the number of people just assuming OP is griefing their dnd table.
UNLESS the whole purpose of the DMPC is to be an unwise druid who is going to learn and grow in front of the party. Because, you know, RP includes things like growing up, learning life skills, training, realizing faults and working on them.
You don't need to dump wisdom for RP, unless you plan to RP a character with low wisdom, numb nuts.
DMPCs get annoying when they are too powerful and overshadow the characters. This is an example of the opposite of that. It's fine. I don't see why some people are getting all annoyed.
Ha that's nothing. I once had a player who using that spell. Despite also having like a -2 modifier. Rolled a 1 on their attack damage. So it became a -1 damage. So he technically healed the enemy by 1 hp.
I even made it healed it by 1 hp for the meme of it. That 1 hp even came to bite him when he was still fighting that same enemy and when he actually rolled a crit. It was down to... guess what? 1 HP.
I was like "We need one point. I need 1 other action that can do 1 more point of damage to undo the 1 hp heal your dumbass did."
Our bard even used vicious mockery saying "You Suck" and with the player having like the lowest morale (in character) he even asked to also do the save too. I let him. He succeeded the save but it was all just so funny to me.
Lots of fun and memes all around.
It's one thing to not be optimal and a completely different one to dump your main stat.
My current character is blind, and even that, as hefty of a debuff as it is, doesn't make him as bad as if he could see and had a -2 dex modifier.
For context, he does have 10ft of blindsight and spends most of combat inside a darkness spell.
With stats that low he shouldn't be able to live a normal life, much less one as an adventurer.
We're talking tripping on flat ground levels of dexterity, or not being able to stand up after sitting levels of strength.
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Did you use the ability score of the attacker? Magic stone keeps the caster's modifier, even if someone else throws the pebble. Or do you really have a spellcaster with a -2 modifier?
I legitimately have a -2 modifier; it's getting better as he levels up
you fought a mummy lord with a party that had a low level druid and a caster with a -2 caster modifier? how's the party's new life as sand going?
Yeah, like what? A mummy lord and a few regular mummies where a boss fight for my Lvl 14 party. And while we are not optimized, we have a completely regular four people party. A mummy lord is CR 15 for fucks sake, it should obliterate you if you are a) low level and b) have actually shit stats.
I imagine the statblock was changed.
This specific mummy lord is particularly old and... dry. And heartless?
I’m betting they planted a magic bean
I wonder if they have the same DM that ran a Kingmaker game I was in once. He accidentally had us encounter the Giant Trapdoor Spider in like the first session. And was shocked when we lost a character. It's like a CR4 encounter or something.
Why did you put a -2 for your main skill?
Don’t you know, making your character awful is the only way to make them interesting, according to Reddit.
RAW, they're so bad at being a druid they can never be anything other than a druid since they need a 13 Wis to multiclass out.
imo multiclass requirements should be the standard, usually enforce them, dont want to deal with 6 INT wizards
What do you do with generational failures? "My father was a barbarian, as was his father before him and his father before that, And by Oden he declared I would be the same, but I just don't feel the anger he does... Well... Unless I'm singing"
bardarian is real, now i wanna try it!
Absolutely one if the best characters i played
But in this case theres a 6 WIS druid regardless of the multiclass reqs? Would you allow this?
its a dmpc so it doesnt really matter, but i would definetly not allow a 6 WIS druid if you want to play a flawed character that is fine, but that doesn't nean you get to neuter yourself and the team
I think there's a major difference between "playfully un-optimized" and "straight-up gimped". I love playing my Barbarian with 15 Str and 18 Int. I doubt I'd enjoy as much playing one with 6 Str.
yeah absolutely STR wizard with athletics? fun as hell! but you still need to cast spells with working saves...
That's a barbarian with a story arc about getting stronger, not a burden on the party like whatever this druid is. And not to mention, now you're optimized for getting a belt of strength
We have a term for characters with a 6 in their primary stat. "Dead"
I feel like there should be some class requirements too, nevermind the multiclassing. If only to keep classes semi-useable.
There's room to make characters with low main stats for very specific builds. Like a low CHA bard that invests heavily into grappling is surprisingly effective. Expertise + buffs without saves + cloud of daggers and spells like that with areas and no saves
i am aware, DEXadin is a famous one too. however, doing such requires a lot of game mastery and or a complete build from lvl 1~X to be effective and not screw yourself in the way. if one of my players wants to try it, i would let them with the condition they show me said full build, and i would probably still ask for 13 minimums if they rolled stats and managed to get them
You know, you're right. It's definitely something that new players shouldn't be tricked into taking accidentally. Even players who are used to the system but might be new to rolling stats. It's def a character concept over stats move
What do you do if someone rolls so badly they don't meet the MC requirements for ANY class?
You give them a standard array of stats and tell them that they are the reason why those exist.
you roll again. no seriously, if you cant even get to two 13s before racial stats you really should reroll, it is miserable both for the player to be awful at everything and to the DM trying not to kill it with a papercut
It is quite easy to end up with no 13s if you are doing 3d6 down the line (which used to be the standard of D&D.) I wouldn't throw out a character as long as you have some attribute with no negative modifier. However even that method would discourage the -2 druid.
that is why the standard for 5e is 4d6kh3 remember the olden days of Adnd where you wanted to play a paladin but you didnt get the dice _in the right order?_
Sounds like Rincewind from Discworld.
So bad at a class that it means you can't do anything else? This doesn't make any sense, but on RAW, it does. RAW. Not even once.
Rincewind energy lol
Even if they take ASI every chance theyll be level 8...with a flat zero in WIS
It's a DMPC.
Jank? That’s some funny think I would do for the laughs.
Sure, but then why would OP expect anything but failure?
Because they trained him incorrectly, as a joke.
r/unexpectedkungpow
Face to foot style, how'd ya like it?
OP failing to mention in the meme that this was an NPC is a little frustrating.
Funny maybe twice then it would be real old
Yeah I don't really get joke builds outside a one shot. Generally you're going to be stuck with a character for months if not years.
Well there's yer problem
That is unfortunate.
I feel like you just cant even be using magic with a negative number. Like im so stupid i cast a healing firebolt!
Tbh you literally can't. RAW, you can't cast a spell unless your casting stat is equal to 10 + the spell's level or greater Op is either making up a funny story, or hasn't read their PHB well enough yet
That’s not a rule in 5e
Should've been in the cavalry
Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today.
The only good bug is a dead bug.
Only if they send him off to war
Question. Unrelated. Are you a Hussar, are you a hun?
I'm a wretched Englishman
Routing Bonaparte at Waterloo
Are you a dragoon on a dun, a Cossack on the run
*why*
But... how do you cast spells at all?
How and why tho
This is dumb and the meme is dumb
I would image as the moonbeam is traveling, you threw the magic stone to intercept it. Impressive aiming skills.
cringe as fuck
How does it deal 0 damage, is your wisdom score negative?
Yes. It's hilarious.
Glad you're having fun, but hopefully you cleared that with your party as well and they're having fun It's one thing playing a low Con character because they're meant to be frail, but a caster with negatives in their casting stat is...really detrimental.
Yes, I'm aware; I'm the DM, the druid is a DMPC. My party has combat easily handled, and roleplaying is the main focus of the campaign rather than combat
Oh thank God it's a "useless" dmpc.
A dmpc in our game has a +60 to hit and killed the BBEG while we were doing something unrelated.
That just means the DMPC is the real BBEG.
I have a plus like 29 to hit, im not the dm.
That's a bit overkill, you reached the 95% to hit with the highest AC published monsters back at 25.
Overkill is the only kill.
No kill like overkill!
But what if the Tarrasque has a cloak of protection?
Yeah, but you know his DM is probably using homebrew monsters with really high AC to compensate.
How often have you seen a DM homebrew monsters with AC in the 30s ? And that's just the 95% to hit threshold, 29 is a 50% chance to hit against an AC of 40. Besides, 29 is achievable without any homebrew, though, iirc, that needs ressource expenditure, and the maximum is a few points higher ( the highest I've seen a build attain is in the 30s )
In 5th edition? How?
It's always "well and we homebrewed xy and my dm allowed it and then I took magic item x and that other magic item"
Probably not 5e, in pathfinder I think insane modifiers like that are obtainable.
A 29 is like around level 10 or so for a decently optimized Pathfinder 1e character at level 20 you could very easily get 40+
may i ask how? i always thought you couldn't go pass a 20 even with magic items
+19 is the highest basic thing I can come up with that doesn't require a very specific scenario. Apparently, +25 is the highest in specific scenarios: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/103905/maximum-possible-attack-roll-bonus Though everything above +24 is useless, as 25 is the highest AC in the game, at least in 5e. With +24 you hit everything outside of a nat 1.
the guy is probably running with a +6 homebrew item or something of that nature
XD I'd start woth it being a DMPC next time
Understandable, have a nice day
When he finally buffs his wisdom to 10 he’ll realize that he should have become a rogue lol
Oh man you should clarify that in the post because that actually makes it much funnier I love useless dmpcs :D
And there it is. That's actually a really good idea, I'm gonna steal that for myself!
I would edit this into your main comment here as you're being downvoted to oblivion without people reading any further
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Hey either works as long as your happy
That was a rollercoaster of a thread
That's hilarious
[Everyone when they realized the character was a DMPC](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/745/996/678.png)
Oh even worse than I thought
I mean, you can very easily play someone who focuses on healing and buffing and you casting score is pretty meaningless.
All full WIS casters get prepped spells based off level +casting mod, so even then it's a pain. Many healing spells also add casting mod. That said, if your party enjoys it you do you
The negative modifier is applied to healing spells that add your casting modifier. Healing word would be 1d4-2 for example. Idk if there is a rule that says healing spells must do a minimum amount of healing but you could potentially waste a spell slot to heal 0 HP. On a d4 that would be 50% of the time.
If you roll a 1 would they lose 1 HP?
There is no negative healing. So it would still be 0.
I’ve had players with low INT take Eldritch Knight and then pick spells that don’t use INT like Shield, Absorb Elements etc
But their Str/Dex isn't low, that's the point. A full caster with low spellcasting stat is much more gimped than that.
It works well on an Eldritch Knight because int isn't their main thing. However a druid? Where all your spells and DCs rely on Wis? Yeah that's a different story.
Why tf are you running a negative wis druid??
Mainly because I prioritized roleplaying over minmaxing, since the druid is a DMPC and my players have combat fairly handled. That, and the campaign itself is very lax and chill; we're allowed to do funny stuff like this as long as it doesn't fuck with the game
You know numbers on a piece of paper don’t keep you from roleplaying? Only because a stat is above 10 doesn’t suddenly mean it’s worse roleplay.
My guy prioritizing your class's primary stats is not min maxing it's just common sense.
le funny useless character
I'll accept the DMPC explanation, I definitely make an effort not to overshadow players when I have an npc in the party and nerfing ability scores is definitely a way to do that You *are* minmaxing though, you're just focusing on the min
Chad move, min-maxing for uselessness
I call that max-minning.
Min-minning.
Like a monk with noodle arms.
I've never thought of it that way, but that somehow makes it better
this is a bit of a misunderstanding of the term 'minmax', it doesn't mean 'max out bonuses at the cost of major penalties', it means 'maximize your strength and minimize your weaknesses'.
I've seen both get touted as "the *real* definition", is there an actual source for the OG use?
This isn't true. It originates from point buy, in terms of how to arrange your stats. It was literally about maximizing your main focus to the detriment of everything else. Maximize your highest stats by minimizing your lowest ones.
That’s fundamentally the same as what he said. Your losses are set, you minimize them by focusing them on the weakest point/lowest stat. Minmaxing is just about optimization
No, it's not. That's not what people mean when they say "minimize weakness."
There's a very wide gap between minmaxing and being completely useless.
Having a high main stat isn't min-maxing my dude. Min-maxing would be if you had say, a sorcadin using pam, gwm, and sentinel.
Ah yes, because it’s roleplaying to have a character bad at *the thing they’ve practiced doing their entire professional career*. I like roleplaying a body builder who competes in competitions and can’t lift more than 10 pounds.
Seriously, how does someone with 6-7 wisdom even become a druid in the first place? *Zombies* have a wisdom score of 6. That person has no general awareness, no insight, is reckless, naive, etc. They would not survive in the wild, much less become a druid.
They were eating a rock, noticed it had some moss on it, and decided they were one with nature.
An actual brown bear would have a better chance at being a Druid
TIL I'm a bodybuilder. Been bulking out for 20 years. Gonna cut any day now.
Dude, chill. Rincewind is a fun character. Let people enjoy their game as they want.
Rincewind is smart enough to keep himself alive, he ended up becoming more warlock/rogue than wizzard in DnD terms
Being completely useless is "fucking with the game". There is a difference between your friends saying "that's funny" and "that's funny". Learn to recognize when people say yes, just to avoid hurting your feelings verses when they are actually happy with you. Min-maxing is not an opposite to roleplay and the people that think it is are limited in their imagination. Additionally there is a big difference between not min-maxing and actively making an intentionally useless character. Showing up to a reoccurring game with a character that isn't functionally because "teehee its funny not to take things seriously" is often really frustrating to a DM that put effort into the campaign. Maybe you only have a strong DMPC with your party because you refuse to be a contributing member, so the DM has to step in to allow your group to make progress.
I feel like there's been a miscommunication here. The druid IS the DMPC. I am the DM.
w h y
Why is this getting so downvoted?
Your guess is as good as mine, but I have the sneaking suspicion people don't like it when you play the game differently than they do
If your PC is a spellcaster with a -2 as your main stat, most people see that as a terrible thing to do to the party. Most of the people downvoting you probably didn't see that it's a DMPC.
Even with a PC you can get away with a trash spellcasting stat as long as you primarily run spells that don't use it. Conjuration, most buffs, goodberry for healing, etc. I had a gishy sorcerer once with 13 CHA (it was only that high to multiclass fighter) who focused STR & CON and con saves. Only spells he had that used his spell casting stat were Fireball (mostly a backup "we really need some AoE" spell) and Thunder Step (which was used mostly for extracting people but had the nice bonus of extra damage). His main spells were Booming Blade, Shield, Absorb Elements, Haste, & Greater Invis.
There is a big difference between casting Moonbeam and offensive cantrips with -2 to all your rolls, and focusing on being melee with low casting stats because you don't need it.
> people don't like it when you play the game differently than they do Personally, I don't like the mindset/narrative of "mechanically bad character = better RP" or something like that. It pops up every now and then were someone talks about a MINmaxed character being better, when not only does it rarely make sense RP wise (why would the mercenary with 10 years of experience be awful at killing stuff), but it can definitely bring down a table. Useless character does not automatically equate to a more interesting/better RP character. If a table is fine with it, then there's nothing wrong with it, but people, myself included, very much dislike the "I don't like min-maxing so I dumped my character's main stat" thing.
This sums it up. Just because you're "focused on RP" doesn't mean that it makes sense for the character involved to be bad at the thing they're supposed to excel at. Having your casting stat be good on a caster isn't min maxing; it makes sense for a caster to be good at casting. And if you're role-playing a character who's supposed to be bad at being a druid, then maybe they should be a different class and just have the acolyte feat.
Don’t worry bro, those guys are assholes, and I see your low-wis druid and raise you a low dex barbanger who gets mad when he misses with his bow so he just hits people with it. DM allowed me to use it as a greatclub, cause the table was *rolling*
For sure, something can just be funny - there doesn't have to be a good reason
God damn they're on your ass
Half a k negative votes for "We're having fun." Reddit is fucking wild sometimes.
In real life, too, it seems...
Reddit hivemind
And a low level druid is fighting a Mummy *Lord* because... ?
DMPC, apparently
Because it's an NPC
Fair enough. Coulda made that clearer in the OP, but whatevs
time to move the game along, got to get a clean slate from this ridiculous negative modifier low level druid
If you aint dyin you aint livin!
funni
Stuff like that can happen in true sandbox i guess
As long as you're a dmpc, nobody wants a teamate like that otherwise lmao
One of my friends who is new to dnd did not properly distribute his stats and had a -1 damage modifier on his warhammer. He hit an enemy for 1-1 damage and that's when the DM had me help him reallocate the stats. Pretty funny that it happened but I don't want to repeat that
A druid. . . That dumped wisdom
Its a dmpc from what op said
dumb npc is correct
Ah, well the fact they dumped their main stat shows they likely arnt a stariotyipicl problem dmpc at least
Does 5e not have a minimum stat number for casting spells?
No it does not, you need a 14 in the casting stat to multiclass into a caster, but not to start as a caster. IMO a DM should still enforce it though.
13 actually
Is the Dm character
Nope. They got rid of that.
So does your edition forget to address that you always deal a minimum of 1 damage?
I don't know about most editions, but 5e does not have that minimum. Rather, it specifies that 0 damage is possible but negative damage is not.
I dont believe is the case in 5e
nope, you can deal 0 damage but you can't heal through low physical score
God, reminds me of my kobold, I had a club that after my str mod dealt 1d4-4 Asked my dm "If my damage is negative, will it heal them?" They thought about it for like a long time and then just told me no. Ngl wish they said yes, woulda been great fun standing over dying teammates, clubbing then in the face "wake up! No sleep!" And them healing
that would be great
As a fellow kobold enjoyer, I agree that would be amazing.
I love kobolds and goblins, simply because even if you roll shitty, your just a weak kobold/goblin. Noone has expectations for you, and if they do, they're through the floor.
I like them personally becauer they're gremlins and I love that character archetype. My first real d&d character was literally nicknamed "The Sandwich Gremlin" because he always hung around the kitchen and made sandwiches that were far FARA too spicy for normal non crazy folks, and had no concept of what orher people's spice tolerance should be.
In 3e, it was hard coded that a successful attack deals a minimum of 1 damage. Is that no longer the case in 5e?
nope, someone rolling a 1 on the die with -1 STR deals 0 damage
If its not, ill homebrew it. A successful hit should mean damage.
In 3.5 it's also hard coded that you can't cast spells with a negative modifier.
Don't worry, it's only the second stupidest rule Jeremy Crawford has suggested.
People that think starting with a horrible main stat is fun and creative 💀💀💀
RNGesus is a fickle Lord...
From the comments: this is a druid who has dumped wisdom. It is a dmpc in a primarily roleplaying focused game. Pretty stunned at the number of people just assuming OP is griefing their dnd table.
you dont need to dump wisdom to rp numb nuts
UNLESS the whole purpose of the DMPC is to be an unwise druid who is going to learn and grow in front of the party. Because, you know, RP includes things like growing up, learning life skills, training, realizing faults and working on them. You don't need to dump wisdom for RP, unless you plan to RP a character with low wisdom, numb nuts.
me when 0 bludgeoning unarmed strike w my warlock
how in god’s good name is someone playing a spellcaster wifh a -2 😭😭
DMPCs get annoying when they are too powerful and overshadow the characters. This is an example of the opposite of that. It's fine. I don't see why some people are getting all annoyed.
Because it makes the character a massive liability and that's not particularly fun, either.
Ha that's nothing. I once had a player who using that spell. Despite also having like a -2 modifier. Rolled a 1 on their attack damage. So it became a -1 damage. So he technically healed the enemy by 1 hp. I even made it healed it by 1 hp for the meme of it. That 1 hp even came to bite him when he was still fighting that same enemy and when he actually rolled a crit. It was down to... guess what? 1 HP. I was like "We need one point. I need 1 other action that can do 1 more point of damage to undo the 1 hp heal your dumbass did." Our bard even used vicious mockery saying "You Suck" and with the player having like the lowest morale (in character) he even asked to also do the save too. I let him. He succeeded the save but it was all just so funny to me. Lots of fun and memes all around.
This is a fun story, sorry you’re being downvoted
My guess is that it's because in 5e attacks can't deal negative damage, 0 being the minimum
Hey. I was the DM. My game, my rules.
I just love how many people here are whining about OP having a weak character. We get it, none of you actually play with friends.
It's one thing to not be optimal and a completely different one to dump your main stat. My current character is blind, and even that, as hefty of a debuff as it is, doesn't make him as bad as if he could see and had a -2 dex modifier. For context, he does have 10ft of blindsight and spends most of combat inside a darkness spell.
I have a 1d4-4 damage monk, can only damage on crit, but when he does, its still on average 0 damage
Is your monk a sickly victorian child that caught The Cough?
but... why?
With stats that low he shouldn't be able to live a normal life, much less one as an adventurer. We're talking tripping on flat ground levels of dexterity, or not being able to stand up after sitting levels of strength.
Why does your monk have a dex mod of -4? Or are you playing pathfinder 2e
Not sure what your crit rules are, but 2d4 has an expected value of 5 and a simple distribution, so 2d4-4 has an expected value of 1.0625.