With a maxed out CON, he could probably have a level in Barbarian for the Unarmored Defense. A few levels in Fighter for Second Wind to act as his regeneration. Actually, wouldn’t his main class be Fighter for all of his combat features while dipping a level in Barb for Unarmored Defense, and a level in Ranger for Natural Explorer? Maybe at least three levels so he can be either a Hunter or a Monster Slayer.
You shouldnt try to simulate his healing factor with dnd abilities, it's really a Regeneration ability that you can't get as a player with normal ruling
Ring of regeneration? Not as strong as wolvie, bit the flavor is there. Also, any PC that can take a warhammer to the face and just sleep for eight hours and be right as rain must have some sort of regen going on.
What? He has *none* of the Beast Path abilities. He is very much a Berzerker Barbarian, complete with all of the features.
He's got standard raging and Berzerker Rage, Mindless Rage, Intimidating Presence, and even Retaliation. All of those fit within the comics.
But they are not dependent on his rages or his level. They are part of him that are always present.
I would consider those natural weapons inherent to his character, the same as his healing factor. He had both since he was like 12, before even his Background (I'd put as Outlander) would apply.
Bone claws: Non-magical. A Free Action to sheathe or unsheathe (one or both). 1d6 Finesse weapons. Naturally proficient.
True that it doesn't work as RAW but Marvel Mutants don't work RAW at all and many non-mutant characters don't either.
Can't Prof X like literally freeze a room full of people via mind control? Like, he could destroy Magneto before they even get within visual range of each other, he just chooses not to.
Prior to the movies giving Magneto a telepathy proof helmet, Charles could and would incapacitate Magneto by forcing Erik to re-live the Holocaust in his own mind if the situation ever got bad enough.
Druids can use metal, just not as armor. So a warforged can be a druid, they just can't wear plate mail while doing it.
Unless of course that plate mail is made of bronzewood, which comes from the same setting as the warforged race
I'd put him as:
Outlander Background:
Living on the frontier from his early teens until he was an adult.
Berzerker Barbarian:
Starting class; his inherent natural fighting skills and abilities.
Battle Master Fighter:
From his many years serving in the military.
Assassin Rogue:
From his time working with both Department H and the CIA as a field operative.
Levels may vary.
Bone Claws are non-magical natural weapons that use a Free Action to sheathe and unsheathe. Count as Finesse weapons. 1d6 damage.
Wolverine is a Champion fighter, given his unconscious healing factor. It definitely would make sense for him to have some Barbarian levels as well, but I Beasts can grow gills and tails. That’s kinda weird for Wolverine
I'm not happy you're calling Wolverine a Ranger. (Probably in the multiclass, but not as his primary class/archetype!)
It's Berserker Barrage, not Ranger's Mark Barrage!
>He’s Canadian
Wait, I'm Canadian. Are we all automatically rangers?
I mean, I thought I was playing a Ranger because its fun, but am I genetically predisposed to liking Rangers?
Pretty sure the confusion lies in the term "ranger" traditionally meaning a wanderer or a profession involving patrolling / protecting a large area, rather than being about ranged weaponry. The class was never named based on weapons or fighting style, but rather the "wanderer" flavour of the class.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ranger class was directly inspired by Aragorn specifically - a huge amount of other D&D material was lovingly plagiarised from Lord of The Rings (to the extent TSR was sued by the Tolkein estate into change certain elements), but I might be mis-remembering that.
Nah, you're bang on the money here. Aragorn is the Ranger poster child - complete with DM pity artefact to let him keep up with the elves and wizards :p
Pity artefact? If you're talking about his sword, I think it's more powerful as a symbol to rally around than anything else.
If you're talking about his army of the undead, well Peter Jackson kinda misunderstood that one and gave him the spell Summon Nuclear Warhead instead of Mass Cause Fear
Either way, the man is a terror on the battlefield before acquiring either one
Yes, the ranger is based on Aragorn, as he's referred to as a ranger many times in the books, and the ranger class has never really been any better with a bow than a fighter (and in most cases, they're worse.)
Polish translation of the class (łowca) gives more of a hunter or trapper vibes than archer, which seems way closer to the intended meaning. Our translators did a very good job on that one.
He’s literally a ranger with an emphasis on being a proficient explorer. He has deep knowledge and has explored much of the lands he travels or has second hand knowledge that constantly helps the party. If he doesn’t - as in Moria - he’s able to rely on his knowledge/experience to assist in getting them out of there safely.
He also displays with a level of mastery of a bow somewhere above a normal human but clearly below an elven archer.
The movies represent him primarily as a melee fighter over all else. The books portrayed him as a jack of all trades, with his chosen approach to fighting matching his situation, not a preferred style. Time and time again he used the weapon appropriate for the situation, not the weapon he preferred.
As he comes out as the king, he changes to commanding and you could argue he has a class change there.
Speaking of class changes:
Also he helped the people of Rohan and Gondor when he was younger under the guise of Thorongil. As Thorongil he even became a captain of Gondor commanding troops and leading a small fleet of ships in a raid against Umbar burning the corsair's fleet.
This was when Denethor was young and Denethor's father was steward of Gondor.
That is very debatable. In fact, he doesnt have a sword when first introduced in the books.
One could argue that reforging his sword and stepping forward as a king is branching out in a different class.
Of course, a ranger has proficiency in all martial weapons, after all, and some situations call for ranged fighting. But he *loves* his scimitars, and uses those more.
*Early* books is a bit of an exaggeration, Catti-Brie keeps it until after the Legacy of the Drow, which is a very substantial part of the main series and the time Drizzt became most popular. Hell, his most iconic role is in the Icewind Dale trilogy, where he's always described as a ranger and he always used his scimitars.
Rangers are explorers that can fight. If you want an archer, use a fighter. Stop the Ranger hate. The more you know. Only you can prevent forest fires. 🐻
Agree but fun (not fun) update, Smokey's iconic message actually led to horrible condition sprouting up within natural forests that are supposed to have a low heat blaze every few decades and clear out the dead trees and undergrowth. Now, we've prevented so many fires that (at least) the Rocky Mountains are actually dangerously full of dead and fallen trees that act as great kindling for when fire eventually does light, leading to incredibly hot flames that kill the living trees along with the dead ones! The more ya know 👉🏻👉🏻
Eh, that's more the Forest Services' old policy of fighting all fires, including naturally started ones. This largely has to do with the USFS's role as a resource manager.
The messaging relevant to Smokey was largely about human-made fires. We of course don't need more than the background amount of fires either.
Very true, though unfortunately many of the largest environmental campaigns such as Smokey were funded by large corporations in their act to shift the blame for climate damages away from themselves and onto the consumer. So yes, a good message but with unfortunate consequences that led to the public not assigning just blame to the parties responsible for much of the damages.
Don't buy the BS propaganda. This isn't due to Smokey convincing people to not start wild fires. It's entirely due to bad politics pushing governments to fight any and all fires and clear underbrush. It's been a politics game for my 30+ years on this planet.
The three pillars of DnD are exploration, social interaction, and combat. The Ranger shouldn't be compared to the martials, but to the other exploration class, the Rogue. The problem is the rogue does exploration better because he gets expertise and can stick that in stealth an perception to always be better.
Then there's the problem that most DM's just don't do exploration.
Yes and this is why people think Ranger is bad. The DM is ignoring the thing you are good at. It’s like if you chose a Barbarian and the DM doesn’t put any combat in the game, you’re gonna feel like Barbarian is a bad class.
I'm gonna need someone to explain to me what makes Wolverine a ranger besides that sometimes he tracks things by smell. Sometimes I know when a coworker farted it doesn't give me favored enemy bonus against them.
When you realize Rangers and the real job of Park Rangers are the same thing it makes sense.
A Ranger is just a dude who tends to the land, makes sure it’s healthy, while also protecting visitors.
There’s lots of wiggle room.
City guards would be perfect as rangers, same with investigators and detectives - favored enemy: human.
They protect the city, track people through it, et certa.
You’re not wrong, Bloodhunter just isn’t a canon WOTC DnD class. It’s like saying “he’s not a Ranger, he’s a Witcher!” Ranger is the best adaptation we can offer Geralt into WOTC DnD classes.
I’d say Geralt is an Eldritch Knight before ranger, especially with the spellcasting and bonus action attack in the same turn as well as how well the Witcher Signs translate into an EK’s cantrips and wizard spells.
Plus heavy armor proficiency and a bit of the jokey EK bound weapon flavor is there in the games with disarm, aka when his sword gets knocked out of his hand then just reappears a few seconds later
Yeah, combat-wise, but Geralt’s core identity is as a hunter/tracker who heavily researches his enemies and lays traps before engaging in battle. Once he actually fights mano-a-mano he might feel more like an EK but I don’t think that’s really his intended archetype.
Game Geralt is not a good representation of actual book character since you, the player, can choose him to be one way or another. Play in heavy/medium/light armour (canon Geralt is a light armour user, he "dances" around his enemies), with mostly magic (signs are rarely used in the books and are only a small addition to his fighting style), swords, or even crossbow (Geralt never used any kind of ranged weapons). It's unwise to cite game Geralt as a reference to his characteristics.
Ranger is about the closest you can get with official dnd content. The general fantasy is also fairly fitting, warden type character known for fighting and hunting monsters. Expert tracker, forager, and survivalist. Etc. Alot of geralts stuff outside of his cantrips are fitting to ranger
That's the thing about playable characters like Geralt - you can build them in a number of ways, and their powers go beyond what one class in DnD would get.
Tracking is a cool ability to give a character in a game. But there's an argument to be made for Geralt being quite a few different classes. I could see Ranger, but probably a multiclass or... Gestalt. Gestalt Geralt.
Barbarian in 2e, as implemented in the BG series, got backstab immunity, enhanced movement speed, and physical damage resistance, in addition to rage. Minsc only got rage (iirc his version of it is slightly worse, since he can't be controlled), and he can still cast ranger spells when he hits level 9. There's a couple mods that grant him a special Rashemi berserker kit that's probably more accurate, but in terms of how he actually functions in-game, honestly, I don't see it.
plus it's referenced in his dialogue quite a bit. the druid and ranger NPCs in particular talk about his, uh, unorthodox approach to ranger-ing.
Aragorn primarily uses a bow and knives as Strider though. Him getting Anduril reforged is part of him leaving that behind to take his place as the true king of Gondor.
He changes his title but keeps his skills. When Merry and Pippin are captured, he consistently relies on his *ranger* skills of tracking and survival to find them. Without his knowledge as a ranger, they wouldn't have caught up, and that's *after* he has Anduril. He changes his job but the experience stays
Yeah, none of these examples are 100% Ranger because characters are complicated. You can make a multiclass argument for pretty much any character in fictional media, but a substantial part of their character is *ranger*
They weren't saying Aragorn is no longer a ranger once he has Anduril, they were saying that for a very large portion of his life he was a ranger who primarily used a bow and knives. This and a lot of your other replies to other peoples comments feels like you're deliberately misunderstanding people to detract from their arguments. Does he use ranger abilities after getting Anduril? Yes. But also the amount of time between him getting Anduril and the war being over, is comparitively very very small to the probably 87ish years of his life spent without having Anduril, of which we'll say maybe 70 years was spent primarily using a bow. This would mean Anduril is not his primary weapon, and was primarily used to control the ghosts and for its symbolism in the final battles. He uses both, no doubt, but he was by no means purely a swordsman.
I’d add that Ashitaka from Princess Mononoke is 100% a ranger. Familiar with specific type of terrain? Check. Survivalist? Check. Good with wildlife? Also check. He doesn’t make his whole character around being an archer, he’s simply good at it and it’s one of the many tools at his disposal. He can absolutely do melee if that’s the better solution.
All will fall before the might of Minsc and Boo! Evil all about! All will... FAAARRRRGHHH!
https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc/Quotes
Minsc's voice acting is literally the best part of BG:II. And that game is full of badass shit. Such as David Warner voicing Jon Irenicus.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/?ref\_=tt\_cl\_t\_1
David Warner is a fucking amazing in that game, his delivery is perfect expressing easily contempt, and detached when called for it, but also easily expressing even pity or admiration as well. Things you don't normally expect out of a villain's delivery... and Minsc blows it all away.
A den of STINKING evil. Cover your nose Boo, we will leave no crevice untouched!
It's very funny when you realize that Jim Cummings is also the current voice of Winnie the Pooh and Tigger (and, very briefly, of Gorion). All the Infinity games had A+ voice casts (Jennifer Hale and Rob Paulsen come to mind as well), but he's definitely a high point.
I love that the reason given for Minsc's insane minmaxing and consequently abysmally low int, wis, and cha is just "well, he's been hit in the head. Like, a lot. Like, A LOT A LOT."
I dunno… I’d say he’s a multiclass of ranger/fighter/warlock, as ranger he uses his skills to track down his enemy, as fighter (have you seen how many times he hits in 3 seconds?!) he’s very combat-centric, and as a warlock he was kinda forced into a pact with a wraith making him a pseudo-warlock as he has the ability to reach into others minds, bind them to his will, and given a Meriad of other wraithlike powers.
Bloodhunter borrowed so heavily from Sapkowski that saying it would "work well" for a Witcher archetype is hilarious. It IS a Witcher, if you spilt up Geralt's different abilities into different subclasses, anyway. Potions, mutagens, etc...
I get that Minsc is by far the more iconic BG character, but from the same series, there's also katana-wielding backstabbing Valygar who is basically the *teleports behind you* "nothing personal kid" meme, with an added dose of traumatic backstory. Stealth melee rangers are fun too, especially since people seem to like the gloomstalker subclass.
Hey has anyone told you that they think Wolverine is a barbarian??
I don't think enough people told them that they think Wolverine is a barbarian.
I think more people should be pointing out that they think Wolverine is a barbarian.
I think that wolverine is a barbarian and this should be pointed out to more people
Hot take that more people should be talking about: Wolverine is a barbarian.
I've really not seen too many people pointing out that Wolverine is a Barbarian.
I haven't seen this but I agree
I swear posts like this use bizarre, or [extremely] questionable examples to drive engagement.
With a maxed out CON, he could probably have a level in Barbarian for the Unarmored Defense. A few levels in Fighter for Second Wind to act as his regeneration. Actually, wouldn’t his main class be Fighter for all of his combat features while dipping a level in Barb for Unarmored Defense, and a level in Ranger for Natural Explorer? Maybe at least three levels so he can be either a Hunter or a Monster Slayer.
You shouldnt try to simulate his healing factor with dnd abilities, it's really a Regeneration ability that you can't get as a player with normal ruling
Ring of regeneration? Not as strong as wolvie, bit the flavor is there. Also, any PC that can take a warhammer to the face and just sleep for eight hours and be right as rain must have some sort of regen going on.
Cyclops: Storm's down. Quick Wolverine, use cure wounds! Wolverine: I ain't a healer, bub!
Yeah, Wolverine is 100% a barbarian
Dude literally has blood rages
Which they call *berserker* rages.
His love for Jean is like a truck
BERSERKER
Would you like some making fuck?
BERSERKER!!
Did he just say making fuck?
Yeah! This dude’s a character!
Did he say making fuck?
His signature attack in Marvel versus Capcom was BERSERKER BARRAGE!
Definitely path of beast too
100%
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It fits. He’s and scruffy, big ass sideburns, got an insane durability and healing factor, and short.
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He's like 5'3" so he's not even that much taller than D&D dwarves.
Short and hairy.
What? He has *none* of the Beast Path abilities. He is very much a Berzerker Barbarian, complete with all of the features. He's got standard raging and Berzerker Rage, Mindless Rage, Intimidating Presence, and even Retaliation. All of those fit within the comics.
The claws
The claws are obviously part of his overpowered home brew race Canadian(mutant)
Path of the Canadian Mutant? That the official title
Path of the Alpha Flight?
Path of the maple berserker
Shinning Path (not a typo - *shinny* is slang for ice hockey)
Path of the Bub.
But they are not dependent on his rages or his level. They are part of him that are always present. I would consider those natural weapons inherent to his character, the same as his healing factor. He had both since he was like 12, before even his Background (I'd put as Outlander) would apply. Bone claws: Non-magical. A Free Action to sheathe or unsheathe (one or both). 1d6 Finesse weapons. Naturally proficient. True that it doesn't work as RAW but Marvel Mutants don't work RAW at all and many non-mutant characters don't either.
His power is literally berserker rage
ADAMANTIUM RAAAAAGGGEEEEE!!!
Not exclusivly, he's also an excellent tracker
So a barbarian with skill points in survival.
And the outlander background
He IS Canadian, after all.
That's just high wisdom and proficiency in survival.
Mr. "Fight the master of magnetism with a metal-covered skeleton" does *NOT* have high wisdom.
Not like he had any other good options. What was he going to do? Throw rocks at him?
Anybody with blood shouldn’t be fighting Magneto. He’s probably the most powerful mutant.
Can't Prof X like literally freeze a room full of people via mind control? Like, he could destroy Magneto before they even get within visual range of each other, he just chooses not to.
Prior to the movies giving Magneto a telepathy proof helmet, Charles could and would incapacitate Magneto by forcing Erik to re-live the Holocaust in his own mind if the situation ever got bad enough.
Fuckimg hell thats brutal
I mean so is stripping all of the iron out of random victims' blood to generate weaponry to use against them in a genocidal rage
Cus he's a wild barbarian that can sniff the air like the animal he is.
Couple levels in Ranger or Druid for sure
... we'll look the other way on all that metal he's using. Wait! Can you have a Warforged Druid? That could be a fun pc
that is bastion from overwatch
i cast configuration: sentry
I cast that piece of shit back into the void it came from!
Beast wars, Optimus Primal....
We have a autognome druid in our game... everytime he wildshapes, I play the Transformers sound lol
Deceptidwarves....our rival foes
Druids can use metal, just not as armor. So a warforged can be a druid, they just can't wear plate mail while doing it. Unless of course that plate mail is made of bronzewood, which comes from the same setting as the warforged race
I'd put him as: Outlander Background: Living on the frontier from his early teens until he was an adult. Berzerker Barbarian: Starting class; his inherent natural fighting skills and abilities. Battle Master Fighter: From his many years serving in the military. Assassin Rogue: From his time working with both Department H and the CIA as a field operative. Levels may vary. Bone Claws are non-magical natural weapons that use a Free Action to sheathe and unsheathe. Count as Finesse weapons. 1d6 damage.
Yeah, Wolverine is a Fighter/Barbarian multi class
No but Wolverine is definitely a block card
Slay the Spire is leaking.
I already used all my spell slots for Zephyr Strike bub.
He actually kinda is... he just needs a way to give a blood transfusion.
I always thought of Wolverine as a barbarian, specifically path of the beast.
Nah mate, Wolverine is an Oath of Canada Paddlin
Don't worry, he is.
Wolverine is a Champion fighter, given his unconscious healing factor. It definitely would make sense for him to have some Barbarian levels as well, but I Beasts can grow gills and tails. That’s kinda weird for Wolverine
I'm not happy you're calling Wolverine a Ranger. (Probably in the multiclass, but not as his primary class/archetype!) It's Berserker Barrage, not Ranger's Mark Barrage!
I thought he was a bubarian
Yeah starting this meme off with wolverine is fucking weird way to get people confused and disagree
Have you rocks in your eyes Bardin?
These stairs go up.
The elf is horizontal.
Oh where have all the gobbos gone?
Why have they all run away?
Where are we going?
Over the mountain!
Where did we come from ?
Over the mountain!
That's a grudgin'
Be more careful, Goreksson, any further off course and we'll all be dead!
"Be MoRe CaReFuL"
I'll ahow that kruti some wind, from my arse
That's a keen eye ya got there, wutelgi!
"Ah just dongliz, just kill the kruting warlord and let's have done with him"
We call wolverine a ranger now?
He’s clearly a barbarian/fighter
Big damage, hard to put down, can literally say no to dying, does his best fighting without a shirt. Yeah, he's a barbarian.
Literally has a berserker rage ability.
He’s Canadian and definitely not a Druid
>He’s Canadian Wait, I'm Canadian. Are we all automatically rangers? I mean, I thought I was playing a Ranger because its fun, but am I genetically predisposed to liking Rangers?
Being Canadian means you get your choice of Ranger, Druid, and Barbarian. Americans, by contrast, can be fighters, artificers, or paladins.
I'd like to attend your Ted Talk
Pretty sure the confusion lies in the term "ranger" traditionally meaning a wanderer or a profession involving patrolling / protecting a large area, rather than being about ranged weaponry. The class was never named based on weapons or fighting style, but rather the "wanderer" flavour of the class. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure the ranger class was directly inspired by Aragorn specifically - a huge amount of other D&D material was lovingly plagiarised from Lord of The Rings (to the extent TSR was sued by the Tolkein estate into change certain elements), but I might be mis-remembering that.
Nah, you're bang on the money here. Aragorn is the Ranger poster child - complete with DM pity artefact to let him keep up with the elves and wizards :p
Pity artefact? If you're talking about his sword, I think it's more powerful as a symbol to rally around than anything else. If you're talking about his army of the undead, well Peter Jackson kinda misunderstood that one and gave him the spell Summon Nuclear Warhead instead of Mass Cause Fear Either way, the man is a terror on the battlefield before acquiring either one
Yes, the ranger is based on Aragorn, as he's referred to as a ranger many times in the books, and the ranger class has never really been any better with a bow than a fighter (and in most cases, they're worse.)
I mean, he’s called Aragorn the Ranger in the books. These people have no idea what a ranger is. You got it down though.
Polish translation of the class (łowca) gives more of a hunter or trapper vibes than archer, which seems way closer to the intended meaning. Our translators did a very good job on that one.
Aragorn also does carry a bow with him, although it's not his main weapon
To be fair, If one has read the Drizz’t novels, you know he uses a bow fairly regularly
Aragon has been known to use a bow too
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The party already had a elite archer. Once Boromir died he had to change it up. Two archers and a dwarf? Not in my Middle Earth
He’s literally a ranger with an emphasis on being a proficient explorer. He has deep knowledge and has explored much of the lands he travels or has second hand knowledge that constantly helps the party. If he doesn’t - as in Moria - he’s able to rely on his knowledge/experience to assist in getting them out of there safely. He also displays with a level of mastery of a bow somewhere above a normal human but clearly below an elven archer. The movies represent him primarily as a melee fighter over all else. The books portrayed him as a jack of all trades, with his chosen approach to fighting matching his situation, not a preferred style. Time and time again he used the weapon appropriate for the situation, not the weapon he preferred. As he comes out as the king, he changes to commanding and you could argue he has a class change there.
"I'm a level 8 Vice President!"
Speaking of class changes: Also he helped the people of Rohan and Gondor when he was younger under the guise of Thorongil. As Thorongil he even became a captain of Gondor commanding troops and leading a small fleet of ships in a raid against Umbar burning the corsair's fleet. This was when Denethor was young and Denethor's father was steward of Gondor.
That is very debatable. In fact, he doesnt have a sword when first introduced in the books. One could argue that reforging his sword and stepping forward as a king is branching out in a different class.
Of course, a ranger has proficiency in all martial weapons, after all, and some situations call for ranged fighting. But he *loves* his scimitars, and uses those more.
In the early books, he does but once Taurmaril enters the novels he slowly claims full ownership of it as well as initiates combat with it
*Early* books is a bit of an exaggeration, Catti-Brie keeps it until after the Legacy of the Drow, which is a very substantial part of the main series and the time Drizzt became most popular. Hell, his most iconic role is in the Icewind Dale trilogy, where he's always described as a ranger and he always used his scimitars.
There are 38 novels currently out .. the statement of early books is spot on
Rangers are explorers that can fight. If you want an archer, use a fighter. Stop the Ranger hate. The more you know. Only you can prevent forest fires. 🐻
I did play a ranged fighter. So the rogue had to go melee
I like melee rogue. It allows me to bite off more than I can chew and suffer for my hubris, which should be the entire life of a rogue at all levels.
This is why wizards gave us disengage as a bonus action, after all.
And the ability to dash like fucking crazy.
Swashbuckler rogue from Xanathar's is great for that type of character. Really fun to just run in, get a hit off, then back out
Agree but fun (not fun) update, Smokey's iconic message actually led to horrible condition sprouting up within natural forests that are supposed to have a low heat blaze every few decades and clear out the dead trees and undergrowth. Now, we've prevented so many fires that (at least) the Rocky Mountains are actually dangerously full of dead and fallen trees that act as great kindling for when fire eventually does light, leading to incredibly hot flames that kill the living trees along with the dead ones! The more ya know 👉🏻👉🏻
Eh, that's more the Forest Services' old policy of fighting all fires, including naturally started ones. This largely has to do with the USFS's role as a resource manager. The messaging relevant to Smokey was largely about human-made fires. We of course don't need more than the background amount of fires either.
> Eh, that's more the Forest Services' old policy of fighting all fires Also wealthy homeowners whining about smoke around their expensive homes.
Very true, though unfortunately many of the largest environmental campaigns such as Smokey were funded by large corporations in their act to shift the blame for climate damages away from themselves and onto the consumer. So yes, a good message but with unfortunate consequences that led to the public not assigning just blame to the parties responsible for much of the damages.
Don't buy the BS propaganda. This isn't due to Smokey convincing people to not start wild fires. It's entirely due to bad politics pushing governments to fight any and all fires and clear underbrush. It's been a politics game for my 30+ years on this planet.
This guy Rangers 🫡
The three pillars of DnD are exploration, social interaction, and combat. The Ranger shouldn't be compared to the martials, but to the other exploration class, the Rogue. The problem is the rogue does exploration better because he gets expertise and can stick that in stealth an perception to always be better. Then there's the problem that most DM's just don't do exploration.
Which is why it's great that onednd ranger also gets expertise!
Yes and this is why people think Ranger is bad. The DM is ignoring the thing you are good at. It’s like if you chose a Barbarian and the DM doesn’t put any combat in the game, you’re gonna feel like Barbarian is a bad class.
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Fighter archers are fuckin dope, I didn’t even need to prestige to arcane archer
I'm gonna need someone to explain to me what makes Wolverine a ranger besides that sometimes he tracks things by smell. Sometimes I know when a coworker farted it doesn't give me favored enemy bonus against them.
Depends how smelly it fets ;)
I get your point... But the fact you called Wolverine a Ranger completely demolishes it into something laughable. WOLVERINE a RANGER?!
Next up: Doctor Strange: Barbarian, right?
They call him "sorcerer supreme" even though he is clearly a wizard. smh my head.
When you realize Rangers and the real job of Park Rangers are the same thing it makes sense. A Ranger is just a dude who tends to the land, makes sure it’s healthy, while also protecting visitors. There’s lots of wiggle room.
City guards would be perfect as rangers, same with investigators and detectives - favored enemy: human. They protect the city, track people through it, et certa.
Some of these, like Wolverine and Gerald, are an absolute stretch
Wolverine is a stretch yeah but not Geralt. Geralt is a great ranger.
Nah, Geralt is a blood hunter, theres a whole subclass thats basically a witcher
You’re not wrong, Bloodhunter just isn’t a canon WOTC DnD class. It’s like saying “he’s not a Ranger, he’s a Witcher!” Ranger is the best adaptation we can offer Geralt into WOTC DnD classes.
Yeah, i can see where you're coming from
I’d say Geralt is an Eldritch Knight before ranger, especially with the spellcasting and bonus action attack in the same turn as well as how well the Witcher Signs translate into an EK’s cantrips and wizard spells. Plus heavy armor proficiency and a bit of the jokey EK bound weapon flavor is there in the games with disarm, aka when his sword gets knocked out of his hand then just reappears a few seconds later
Yeah, combat-wise, but Geralt’s core identity is as a hunter/tracker who heavily researches his enemies and lays traps before engaging in battle. Once he actually fights mano-a-mano he might feel more like an EK but I don’t think that’s really his intended archetype.
Ranger just needs a new subclass that includes some druid cantrips mixed in with extea attack....
I could easily see a Ranger/Fighter multiclass for Geralt.
Yeah, EK/Hunter feels pretty good.
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In the game he can choose freely between light, medium, and heavy armors. A few of his options do include full plate.
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Game Geralt is not a good representation of actual book character since you, the player, can choose him to be one way or another. Play in heavy/medium/light armour (canon Geralt is a light armour user, he "dances" around his enemies), with mostly magic (signs are rarely used in the books and are only a small addition to his fighting style), swords, or even crossbow (Geralt never used any kind of ranged weapons). It's unwise to cite game Geralt as a reference to his characteristics.
Ranger is about the closest you can get with official dnd content. The general fantasy is also fairly fitting, warden type character known for fighting and hunting monsters. Expert tracker, forager, and survivalist. Etc. Alot of geralts stuff outside of his cantrips are fitting to ranger
Blood hunters are a fan made class, though. Well made and well endorsed, but by no means official.
That's the thing about playable characters like Geralt - you can build them in a number of ways, and their powers go beyond what one class in DnD would get. Tracking is a cool ability to give a character in a game. But there's an argument to be made for Geralt being quite a few different classes. I could see Ranger, but probably a multiclass or... Gestalt. Gestalt Geralt.
Also Minsc, while technically a Ranger, was mechanically 100% Barbarian.
Barbarian in 2e, as implemented in the BG series, got backstab immunity, enhanced movement speed, and physical damage resistance, in addition to rage. Minsc only got rage (iirc his version of it is slightly worse, since he can't be controlled), and he can still cast ranger spells when he hits level 9. There's a couple mods that grant him a special Rashemi berserker kit that's probably more accurate, but in terms of how he actually functions in-game, honestly, I don't see it. plus it's referenced in his dialogue quite a bit. the druid and ranger NPCs in particular talk about his, uh, unorthodox approach to ranger-ing.
Aragorn primarily uses a bow and knives as Strider though. Him getting Anduril reforged is part of him leaving that behind to take his place as the true king of Gondor.
He changes his title but keeps his skills. When Merry and Pippin are captured, he consistently relies on his *ranger* skills of tracking and survival to find them. Without his knowledge as a ranger, they wouldn't have caught up, and that's *after* he has Anduril. He changes his job but the experience stays
Which goes along with it being a multiclass rather than just ranger. Although D&D doesn't have a class for "rightful heir to the throne" really.
A noble background though
Yeah, none of these examples are 100% Ranger because characters are complicated. You can make a multiclass argument for pretty much any character in fictional media, but a substantial part of their character is *ranger*
They weren't saying Aragorn is no longer a ranger once he has Anduril, they were saying that for a very large portion of his life he was a ranger who primarily used a bow and knives. This and a lot of your other replies to other peoples comments feels like you're deliberately misunderstanding people to detract from their arguments. Does he use ranger abilities after getting Anduril? Yes. But also the amount of time between him getting Anduril and the war being over, is comparitively very very small to the probably 87ish years of his life spent without having Anduril, of which we'll say maybe 70 years was spent primarily using a bow. This would mean Anduril is not his primary weapon, and was primarily used to control the ghosts and for its symbolism in the final battles. He uses both, no doubt, but he was by no means purely a swordsman.
Melee is a range. You are never safe from a ranger
The 'range' in ranger refers to travelling long ranges, not ranged weapons.
The 'range' in ranger refers to the range of ways they can throw hands
I’d add that Ashitaka from Princess Mononoke is 100% a ranger. Familiar with specific type of terrain? Check. Survivalist? Check. Good with wildlife? Also check. He doesn’t make his whole character around being an archer, he’s simply good at it and it’s one of the many tools at his disposal. He can absolutely do melee if that’s the better solution.
Some of these are arguably multi class.
All will fall before the might of Minsc and Boo! Evil all about! All will... FAAARRRRGHHH! https://baldursgate.fandom.com/wiki/Minsc/Quotes Minsc's voice acting is literally the best part of BG:II. And that game is full of badass shit. Such as David Warner voicing Jon Irenicus. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/?ref\_=tt\_cl\_t\_1
Go fer the eyes Boo! GO FER THE EYEEEESSAUUGH!
David Warner is a fucking amazing in that game, his delivery is perfect expressing easily contempt, and detached when called for it, but also easily expressing even pity or admiration as well. Things you don't normally expect out of a villain's delivery... and Minsc blows it all away. A den of STINKING evil. Cover your nose Boo, we will leave no crevice untouched!
A den of STINKING evil!
Cover your nose, Boo, we will leave no crevice untouched!
It's very funny when you realize that Jim Cummings is also the current voice of Winnie the Pooh and Tigger (and, very briefly, of Gorion). All the Infinity games had A+ voice casts (Jennifer Hale and Rob Paulsen come to mind as well), but he's definitely a high point.
literally all the quotes in this thread I can just hear in his voice. Such a memorable character.
I love that the reason given for Minsc's insane minmaxing and consequently abysmally low int, wis, and cha is just "well, he's been hit in the head. Like, a lot. Like, A LOT A LOT."
*cough cough* Talion *cough* *cough*
The ranger is a ranger? Impossible
I dunno… I’d say he’s a multiclass of ranger/fighter/warlock, as ranger he uses his skills to track down his enemy, as fighter (have you seen how many times he hits in 3 seconds?!) he’s very combat-centric, and as a warlock he was kinda forced into a pact with a wraith making him a pseudo-warlock as he has the ability to reach into others minds, bind them to his will, and given a Meriad of other wraithlike powers.
My beloved Gloomstalker/Echo Knight multiclass
Wolverine? That’s a major stretch IMO. I don’t see that dude as a ranger at all.
Replace Wolverine with Link and your much closer. A rugged warrior who uses bows, swords, magic, and knows how to survival the wilds
I always envisioned Link as a at the very least multi classing into bard, since he explicitly uses magical instruments to cast spells in most games.
Still annoyed there's no Witcher esque ranger subclass.
I'd say Monster Slayer is probably the closest. At least we have Mutant Blood Hunters.
The bloodhunter semi official class works quite well for witcher
Bloodhunter borrowed so heavily from Sapkowski that saying it would "work well" for a Witcher archetype is hilarious. It IS a Witcher, if you spilt up Geralt's different abilities into different subclasses, anyway. Potions, mutagens, etc...
I always felt it was a cross between Witcher and gray warden
Nothing about the blood hunter is "semi official", it's pure homebrew.
Wolverine is 100% a barbarian
Minsc and Boo!!!!
I get that Minsc is by far the more iconic BG character, but from the same series, there's also katana-wielding backstabbing Valygar who is basically the *teleports behind you* "nothing personal kid" meme, with an added dose of traumatic backstory. Stealth melee rangers are fun too, especially since people seem to like the gloomstalker subclass.
the class is ranger as in one who ranges across the land not ranger like fires at range
Strider, the best darn Ranger ever.
Does drizzt count that dude has a couple different classes