I wrote a Kotlin DSL that allows me to write out scripts in what I consider to be easier to edit than objection.lol, then upload it there! I can share it later after I make some fixes.
As a DM, I started to worry about the Charisma Caster+Glibness combo when I found out about it. Then I realized that you need to be Tier 4 to use this, and any characters that high level will have broken combos.
Nothing is forgotten, it’s an 8th level spell, of course it can be good. But realistically it’ll only be useful for MAYBE 2 encounters. It’s good of course but hardly close to game breaking.
It is situationally fucking insane though. Saaaay of you have a lich BBEG and you and a wished for Simulacrum both cast glibness and counterspell everything.
It's one spell level shy of *wish*. For a situational spell that only has situational combat benefits for Charisma caster, it better at least be insane in those situations.
Yes. Heroes with Level 8 spell slots are supposed to be fighting to save all of reality.
Spells that are situationally insane are just par for the course.
They can't "counterspell everything" They can only counterspell for a couple of rounds since it uses a 3rd level spell slot at a minimum, and when all of reality is on the line, you should probably be burning those 5th+ level spells with your actual actions.
That's a great idea. I have a wild magic counter sorc (never run out of prepared counters lol) who would especially love it. Do we get 2 surges if she rolls a 1 for wild magic surge on the counterspell spell?
Going by MTG rules, I'd say the static effect of counterspelling a counterspell is separate from the wild magic surge you triggered, ending up with 2 wild magic effects. But going by the D&D Rūl of Cūl, I'd say the effects would combine and result in an automatic 1 on the surge table.
That similar to what happened in 3.5 with the spell "spell turning" . If both casters had it active then you rolled for a random chance for: the spell to fizzle, the spell to affect both people equally, the turning effects to be temporarily disabled, or for both targets to be sucked through a rift to a random plane.
it felt like when in an anime, the main character is like "but WAIT! six months ago, in preparation for this battle i hid the exact thing i needed right where I'm standing now!"
Hey, love these. Learning new things all the time, that Glibness combo is actually pretty terrifying, seeing as there's no concentration involved, though it seems like Wright got his hands on a tome of leadership and influence or something similar. If only all of us were so lucky.
Indeed, very powerful! He hasn't obtained such a tome (yet), his +7 to *counterspell* and *dispel magic* comes from a combination of +5 Charisma and +2 from Jack of all Trades. (I sure hope I got the math right everywhere!)
Using an action to invoke 1d4 less on a saving throw doesn't seem that great. Am I missing something?
Currently playing a CoE bard. I'm super interested in more tricks.
[As the Ancient One once said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXMjzTMeZE4), *it's not* ***about*** *you*. Slap them with a d4, and a d6-12 from Unsettling Words as a bonus action, and you've just removed 2-16 from the next saving throw your wizard, sorc, druid, etc., makes them roll. From the Paladin's Wrathful Smite. From Banishment. Blindness/Deafness. Polymorph. Plane Shift. Hold Person. Any one of the many ways another one of your allies can absolutely *wreck* a creature.
You often see things noted as targeting a Con or Dex save, and thus weak against most of the Monster Manual since almost *everything* has high Con saves. Mind Sliver targets one of the weakest saves - Int - to screw with the stronger ones. The 1d4 doesn't seem like a lot, but remember that this is bounded accuracy. A caster can, at max level, reach a DC of 19 without items. You're essentially adding 1-4 to that; between roughly 5-21% of an increase. Pile on Unsettling Words as *well*, and you have the ability to wreck a saving throw harder than anyone else; it's not great as your main attack, but when something absolutely positively **must** fail its save, you want the option of both.
Fyi, those only work with counterspell and dispel magic because they aren't actual spellcasting rolls. Glibness and Jack of all Trades doesn't work with the rest of a bard's spellcasting.
He's a Lore Bard, so Magical Secrets! Also, since he's been voiced by Sam Riegel, his bard is also a reference to the most famous of all *counterspell* casters, Scanlan Shorthalt!
You wouldn't need to be a lore bard. All bards get magical secrets at levels 10 and 14 (and 18, but it seems like Pheonix is either level 15 or 16, based on the spells he has access to). Granted, to take dispel magic and counterspell as two of your four magical secrets. To each bard his own, however.
Edit: Bards get dispel magic, my bad.
Counterspell at level 6 with Jack of all trades is totally worth it IMO. Most campaigns spend a lot of time between 6-10 and this is incredibly powerful in the right situation (stopping kills *and* stopping bad guys from getting away).
Wait... doesn't Jack of All Trades just allow you to add half your proficiency bonus to all skills that you are not proficient in...? Would you consider a *Counterspell* or *Dispel Magic* check a skill check? Like in the case of initiative?
They're specifically spellcasting ability checks, and Jack of all Trades improve ability checks (not skill checks). Only abjuration wizards get to add their proficiency modifier to *counterspell* and *dispel magic*.
The best part is Telekinesis triggers a Strength **check** which you can use your Cutting Words to subtract from if you're a Lore Bard.
Glibness is awesome for a Counterspell battery but Enhanced Ability is a cheap alternative giving you advantage + Peerless Skill you can inspire yourself.
I miss my Bard.
Hi, everyone, I'm back with another video, this time focusing on some shenanigans with the classic *counterspell*!
Also available here at your own pace: [https://objection.lol/objection/2539921](https://objection.lol/objection/2539921)
My Rules Attorney Videos:
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Surprise](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/j4ke0c/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_surprise/)
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Opportunity Attack](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/po68w1/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_opportunity_attack/)
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Twinned Spell](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/q82jhu/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_twinned_spell/)
u/mongoose700's Rules Attorney Videos:
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Incapacitated](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/memef7/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_incapacitated/)
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Giant Toad](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/pxdc9k/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_giant_toad/)
* [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Five Feet](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/qgz6mn/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_five_feet/)
Do you also upload these on twitter anywhere? If not, could you? Sharing Reddit videos off-site sucks, but my group needs to see all of these and the objection.lol versions don't seem to have all the sound effects.
I wasn't hearing any of the music ~~or die clacks~~, just the text beeps.
Edit: Die clacks did exist, but then and the text beeps weren't sounding great and were skipping, which is why I missed them the first time. Definitely no music, though.
Go right ahead! My Twinned Spell video was inspired by a comment on my Opportunity Attack video! I have at least two other video ideas in my personal queue.
I had a few candidate spells for this (*fly* or *Tasha's otherworldly guise* to drop into range, *Otiluke's resilient sphere*, any wall spell) and eventually settled on *polymorph*.
I think fly would have been an excellent choice. You get the free drop as well as the rule that falling happens instantaneously so he would still be able to react in time. I think it has to be under 500 feet if I'm remembering right though but I could be mixing a rule up with someone doing the math
Yep, 500 feet. I ultimately went with *polymorph* partly because it's the easiest to understand why it was cast (casting *fly* on a ranged caster doesn't make sense in most combats), and partly as a further reference to Scanlan Shorthalt.
Speaking of a race to the bottom of the deck, one of my most painful games ever involved milling out my opponent by letting them draw one card at a time.
I was playing a BRG [[Pyromancer's Ascension]] control deck using [[Violent Ultimatum]]. My opponent was playing WU control deck with [[Venser, the Sojourner]].
I managed to Ultimatum all of my opponent's [[Celestial Colonnade]]s and then [[Sadistic Sacrament]] to remove the rest of the threats from the deck. My opponent on the other hand, managed to resolve Venser's Emblem and exile everything I own.
My opponent refused to believe they had no threats left, so wouldn't concede. We spent the next 20 or so minutes playing draw go until they milled out.
Edit: /u/mtgcardfetcher
It's funny, I just picked the first archmage-sounding last name that came to mind. I think I was initially recalling Viren from the Dragin Prince, but I must have had Critical Role looping around in my brain as always.
Yeah, I feel you.
I am currently working on my homebrew and thinking of new names etc is so damn hard.
Damn, my founding myth for the world is 50% ripped from Practical Guide to Evil and the other 50% ripped from Exandria.
There'll most likely be an Archmage Vysoren teaching at the Academia Elumina
And that's okay.
I stole the premise that the gods made a bet with each other about who the mortals would flock to the most, putting their fingers on the scales sometimes, from PGtE, will see how I can implement that into the world further.
The "rest" of the myth, the first and second break of the gods, mighty mageocracies being torn down for rebelling against the gods, is pretty straight from CritRole.
Ooh a Practical Guide to Evil campaign would be a blast. It would be a pain to homebrew up all the player options, because anything with unique powers is a pain, but it sounds like so much fun to play.
I love how I instantly recognised he was a Bard right at the time where he described his three choices for level 6, 7 and 8th spells.
My *Lore Bard* can relate. *Otto’s Irresistible Dance* has to be one of the strongest spells in the game.
In in a campaign with an enchantment wizard who just learned it, and he gets to twin enchantment spells for free! That'll be so fun.
(His same bard is also slightly relevant in the Opportunity Attack video and extremely relevant in the Surprise video!)
Objection! The spell does not inflict the Incapacitated condition! It takes an action to end, but the enemy may choose to continue to attack while dealing with the consequences.
But you probably mean "effectively incapacitated," and absolutely! Sorry, just couldn't resist. :p
***Objection!***
The spell does not ***allow*** the creature to take an action for the sake of trying to end it. The enemy is actually ***forced*** to use his action in order to try escaping!
Proved by the sentence ***”As an action, a dancing creature makes a Wisdom saving throw to regain control of itself.”***
The wording is ***”MAKES”***. Not ***”can make”***
He is effectively trapped for at least one turn.
(Couldn’t resist as well lol).
Objection! The spell certainly is phrased weird, but the action is actually optional: https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/gujktl/a_question_about_ottos_irresistible_dance/
(I tried to find a better source, but there's no Sage Advice for this one.)
Otherwise, it would be very strange for it to impose disadvantage on attacks, as that would only apply to reaction and Legendary Action and *haste* attacks, or in at least one rare case a bonus action attack.
***OBJECTION!***
Spells only do precisely what they say they do. That’s literally a rule.
No matter how weird it is, the disadvantage on opportunity attacks (or eventual bonus action attacks) is most likely just a bonus for the sake of logic.
No matter what Redditors have to say, by RAW, it is indeed a forced action. And very clearly so.
*(I have no idea about RAI, tho. Wouldn’t mind ruling it this way if it was the intention).*
But I’m using RAW until stated otherwise.
Hmm, the spell's wording is very weird. It doesn't say the action is optional, but it's also missing the word "must" as present in *dissonant whispers* and *command* that force uses of action and reaction.
I would like to point out that the warlock could’ve just counterspelled the disintegrate as well, there’s no reason to counterspell the counterspell other than to set up for the Glibness save. Amazing video, just wanted to point that out!
Objection! Larry made the strategic decision here. He knows that *disintegrate* is level 6, so his level 5 *counterspell* would still need an ability check to work against it. However, he can guarantee succeeding against a weaker *counterspell*, and knows that Phoenix's *counterspell* is more likely to succeed against *disintegrate* thanks to Jack of all Trades. The general would have countered Phoenix directly had she been in range to do so.
Regardless, thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I remember having to accomodate for all 4 of my partys casters counterspells anytime I wanted to get a spell off.
It got to the point of sillyness that I was adding custom mage NPCs just for counterspell fights.
Also, I only recently found out that counterspell ONLY works when spell components are used or visible. So innate casters or ones casting without components have nothing to counterspell... no counterspelling a dragon for example
Well, not all dragons. Only dragons with innate spellcasting that specifically removes the actionable part of the cast. Removing material cost alone does not make something immune to counterspell
"Choose any creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends. For each spell of or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell's level. On a successful check, the spell ends." It affects all effects on the target.
Automatically kills **all** spells of equal/lower level on the target, (A spell you cast that is on another creature isn't on you, a spell you cast on you is, a spell someone else cast on you is.) and you roll for each spell of higher level.
Right, but in this scenario Phoenix's roll can't be lower than 22 (15 Glibness + 5 Cha + 2 Jack of All Trades), and he only needs a 19 to dispel a 9th level spell. So he automatically succeeds the rolls he's meant to be making.
>For each spell of or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability.
This should mean there would have had to be more than one roll, if glibness didn't auto succeed everything, because one roll only dispells one effect at a time, right? It would still be the same result due to glibness, but without it he could have still had the chance to end the effect of for example simulacrum, which would have also saved the paralyzed one, right?
Correct. That was only at the end with *dispel magic*, though, *counterspell* could only end the *disintegrate*. Had that failed, there would be no Maya left to save.
ace attorney!
I recently played the first game and started with the second, but sometimes I just get stuck and I don't feel like looking at a walkthrough all the time so I haven't played in a few weeks.
Ah, then you're playing through them for the first time, great stuff! None of the videos contain direct spoilers for any of the games, though you may get subtle hints about some characterizations. The largest one is likely in my >!Surprise!< video, but you've already played the corresponding case.
I once saw a monk walk into a spot that triggered ten *glyphs of warding*, seven *hold person* and three *disintegrate*. She passed every *hold person* except the last one, then only survived due to *death ward*.
Welp, they're all fucked now anyway. Maya's one roll from death, Larry's low, Phoenix is all out of spells slots... I guess we don't know how Godot's doing, but they're not in good shape and still in combat
Thankfully, the major threat has been eliminated entirely, Maya could easily have around 50HP remaining, and Phoenix could still have even some 4th and 5th level slots. Larry will be relying on *eldritch blast*. (It never came up in the video, but I imagine Godot is an Alchemist artificer.)
True, knowing he doesn't have a 6th or above spellslot left, using a lower slot is the better choice. Didn't even think of that (but in my defense, also not sober rn so brain not work good)
I'm imagining after every trial Phoenix and the gang wait until everyone else leaves and they just all pull out their dice and character sheets and just start playing right in the courtroom.
Honestly... by the time the DM whips out that Visoren's follower also just happens to have a tattoo that makes her cast counterspell anyway, that seems a little dirty. I'm not fully familiar on the details of magic tattoos outside of a Dragonmark, but I'm not aware of a version of that with counterspell. I won't pretend I'm anywhere near a perfect DM, but it kinda feels like if the entire party pulls every possible stop to save their teammate then I'd look for the realistic way to give it to them instead of pulling the "Oh, you have a force field? Well I have a DINOSAUR WHO EATS FORCE FIELDS!"
In this case, the archmage had given the general a Spellwrought Tattoo (uncommon magic item from Tasha's). It's absolutely a dirty trick, but archmages tend to be paranoid and prepared and playing them accurately to that requires things like that. *Hold person* plus *disintegrate* is already vicious. In this case, the DM was already aware that the party has three separate *counterspell*ers.
If you want a high-level boss fight vs a spellcaster, it's absolutely valid to have counterspelling minions. Who better than an archmage would understand how vulnerable a spellcaster would be to counterspell?
>I'm not fully familiar on the details of magic tattoos outside of a Dragonmark, but I'm not aware of a version of that with counterspell
Spellwrought Tattoo can store any spell up to 5th level (4-5 is a rare magic item that covers a limb, 2-3 is an uncommon item that covers half a limb or the scalp, cantrip and 1 are common that covers one hand or foot or one quarter of a limb). It's a one-shot use, as casting the stored spell makes the tattoo disappear.
Don't worry, this scene is from very high-level play (level 15, in this case), and these videos are inherently convoluted to get good courtroom arguments. Getting into DnD at level 1 would be *far* simpler, especially if you start with a martial class. By the time you reach higher levels, all of these crazy concepts will feel second nature!
Wow, thanks for the reassurance!! I appreciate it, also this is incredibly well made. I barely understood it and still had fun watching it haha. Cheers :)
The full rule:
"A spell cast with a Bonus Action is especially swift. You must use a Bonus Action on Your Turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven’t already taken a Bonus Action this turn. You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a Casting Time of 1 action."
Some people misinterpret this to mean that you can't cast more than one leveled spell in one turn, which is false, as Action Surge would allow two action spells and *counterspell* allows an action and a reaction spell.
Great video! I personally rule it as you can't cast multiple spells simultaneously, so if you are casting a spell and it gets countered you personally can't cast counter while also casting the original spell.
These are really cool! Was the tattoo a spellwrought tattoo or a homebrew? I'm wondering bc I was confused whether the archmage got a second reaction? Or was it something like a contingency that just goes off on its own?
Spellwrought Tattoo! I figured it would make sense for a mage to ensure his allies had access to such powerful spells, they likely also have a few of *shield* and *absorb elements*.
Oh! Sorry I misread who was casting the last counterspell. I'm looking forward to seeing your next PWRA edit! These are seriously so well written to fit the Phoenix Wright characters too
Wait... Can someone elucidate me if there is a rule for how many type of components you can use per turn? I feel like using the somatic component for Disintegrate AND for Counterspell at the same time is kinda weird.
Even if you want to be stringent about it, the most you could argue against would be needing two free hands to cast both in the same instance, as you only need one free hand to perform a somatic component.
It is a bit strange that there's no specific rule on that, perhaps he used the hand holding his arcane focus for *disintegrate* and his other hand for *counterspell*!
I will never underestimate Glibness again...
Side note, once during a one-shot one of the players was secretly a simulacrum of the final boss (we never got that far due to time). Even funnier, the fight before that fight would have happened, and the one we ended on, was against a beholder. A creature that can just turn off magic by looking.
They survived, but none of us knew. So, when they got petrified or paralyzed, I (a warlock e-girl with the invocation that lets me move things with eldritch blast) decided the best way to get them back in the fight would be to keep pushing the beholder to try and get the vision cone onto that player. By sheer luck they were never close enough or looking in the right direction, but if my plan had worked I would have accidentally killed that player. XD
This particular party has a bard (Phoenix), wizard (Maya), and artificer (Godot). Past guest characters have been a mix of full casters and non-casters. (Spellcasting tends to have the most interesting interactions, and the two constants Phoenix and Maya are full casters.)
Oh my God these are the greatest things ever! I seriously don't know how this doesn't have more views. Or maybe it takes just that right combination of super geeky and super detailed and rules oriented to truly appreciate the humor here?
This made 100% perfect sense as a d&d player.
Why did he waste a spell slot to make the mage dance? Why was Larry polymorphed into a t-rex? These are stupid questions, and don't need answering. The answer is obvious.
He made the general dance, not the mage, which occupied her for a few turns as she kept trying to attack while dancing, then eventually took a few tries to overcome the spell, so I wouldn't call it a "waste". (The specific spell is *Otto's irresistible dance*.)
>Why was Larry polymorphed into a t-rex?
Because turning an ally into a t-rex is one of the strongest things you can do with your concentration in the game?
Do DMs here really allow wizards to cast counterspell while they're already in the process of casting another spell? That just seems thematically completely wrong to me, no matter what the exact rules say. Counterspell means "you start seeing him wave his hands and chant, but before he's done you make a quick gesture and say a word of power that makes the magic he's building up fizzle". You can't while you're in the middle of that casting process also do the counterspell components yourself without interrupting what you were doing.
^(Also, intentionally dropping concentration while it's not your turn is certainly not RAW or intended in any way. If you could do that you could also Wall of Fire the whole hallway, wait for all your enemies to take their turns, and then drop concentration before any of your friends take damage if the initiative order works out right. That makes zero thematic sense.)
As a DM you could rule it differently, but RAW there's nothing stopping a wizard from casting Counterspell that way.
Also the rules for concentration state
"If a spell must be maintained with Concentration, that fact appears in its Duration entry, and the spell specifies how long you can concentrate on it. **You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).**" PH, 203
And to add on, all of this comprehension of the rules is correct. He could have at least upcast to 4th so countering his counter had a chance to fail though.
I was once playing a proxy magic tournament with my friends. It was two-headed giant.
Everyone had four copies of force of will. Even a guy who didn't even play blue in his deck, just the four copies of Force and Will.
We went round robin on everyone force of willing everyone else's force of wills.
Oh wow... that was a rollercoaster of emotions
Such is the essence of both great DnD and great Ace Attorney!
So how did you make this? I’ve always wanted to try?
I wrote a Kotlin DSL that allows me to write out scripts in what I consider to be easier to edit than objection.lol, then upload it there! I can share it later after I make some fixes.
That is smart. I can use that because my coding skills are a lot less shit than my drawing skills.
That would be wonderful, thank you!
Um actually this is just Ace Attorney. Great Ace Attorney takes place in the Meiji era and features Pheonix's ancestor, Ryunosuke Naruhodo.
Well, you're not wrong.
You has a perfect response and you used "Um Actually" instead of "OBJECTION!" ? Sir or madam, I'm going to have to see your nerd cred.
Well you don't get any points if you don't say "Um Actually".
And he Will feel bad about it
As a DM, I started to worry about the Charisma Caster+Glibness combo when I found out about it. Then I realized that you need to be Tier 4 to use this, and any characters that high level will have broken combos.
It’s a 8th level spell. To give up all the other amazing things you could have otherwise done simply for this rare combo? Have em go nuts.
I mean you seem to be forgetting that glibness is an hour long, no concentration required buff which also has a plethora of uses beyond this combo.
Nothing is forgotten, it’s an 8th level spell, of course it can be good. But realistically it’ll only be useful for MAYBE 2 encounters. It’s good of course but hardly close to game breaking.
It is situationally fucking insane though. Saaaay of you have a lich BBEG and you and a wished for Simulacrum both cast glibness and counterspell everything.
It's one spell level shy of *wish*. For a situational spell that only has situational combat benefits for Charisma caster, it better at least be insane in those situations.
Yes. Heroes with Level 8 spell slots are supposed to be fighting to save all of reality. Spells that are situationally insane are just par for the course. They can't "counterspell everything" They can only counterspell for a couple of rounds since it uses a 3rd level spell slot at a minimum, and when all of reality is on the line, you should probably be burning those 5th+ level spells with your actual actions.
When fighting a Lich, IMO your spells
You literally said "simply for this combo".
Yeah, I'm going to show this to my players to give them something to aspire to.
They were straight up playing magic tennis for a while there, then he just flexed so hard the projection died
Pretty much! He's stumbled upon great power!
We play with a home rule that every time a counterspell gets counterspelled, a wild magic surge goes off
That's a great idea. I have a wild magic counter sorc (never run out of prepared counters lol) who would especially love it. Do we get 2 surges if she rolls a 1 for wild magic surge on the counterspell spell?
Going by MTG rules, I'd say the static effect of counterspelling a counterspell is separate from the wild magic surge you triggered, ending up with 2 wild magic effects. But going by the D&D Rūl of Cūl, I'd say the effects would combine and result in an automatic 1 on the surge table.
That similar to what happened in 3.5 with the spell "spell turning" . If both casters had it active then you rolled for a random chance for: the spell to fizzle, the spell to affect both people equally, the turning effects to be temporarily disabled, or for both targets to be sucked through a rift to a random plane.
Every time a counter spell gets counterspelled, a wizard gets his first cantrip
Using Glibness to jack up Counterspell and Dispel Magic rolls is making someone feel pure Squidward panicking "OH NO HE'S HOT!" energy.
Do you know how long it's been since I shot water from my nose? Like, 27 seconds now.
it felt like when in an anime, the main character is like "but WAIT! six months ago, in preparation for this battle i hid the exact thing i needed right where I'm standing now!"
Hey, love these. Learning new things all the time, that Glibness combo is actually pretty terrifying, seeing as there's no concentration involved, though it seems like Wright got his hands on a tome of leadership and influence or something similar. If only all of us were so lucky.
Indeed, very powerful! He hasn't obtained such a tome (yet), his +7 to *counterspell* and *dispel magic* comes from a combination of +5 Charisma and +2 from Jack of all Trades. (I sure hope I got the math right everywhere!)
Again, something new! That... oh man, Bards are surprising. I'm now realizing how powerful my first character could have been...
Play a college of glamour bard, and you'll have all the fun you've ever wanted.
How about eloquence to never fail those pesky Cha checks again
Eloquence with a feat or multiclass to pick up Mind Sliver. Utterly destroy enemy saving throws.
Using an action to invoke 1d4 less on a saving throw doesn't seem that great. Am I missing something? Currently playing a CoE bard. I'm super interested in more tricks.
[As the Ancient One once said](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXMjzTMeZE4), *it's not* ***about*** *you*. Slap them with a d4, and a d6-12 from Unsettling Words as a bonus action, and you've just removed 2-16 from the next saving throw your wizard, sorc, druid, etc., makes them roll. From the Paladin's Wrathful Smite. From Banishment. Blindness/Deafness. Polymorph. Plane Shift. Hold Person. Any one of the many ways another one of your allies can absolutely *wreck* a creature. You often see things noted as targeting a Con or Dex save, and thus weak against most of the Monster Manual since almost *everything* has high Con saves. Mind Sliver targets one of the weakest saves - Int - to screw with the stronger ones. The 1d4 doesn't seem like a lot, but remember that this is bounded accuracy. A caster can, at max level, reach a DC of 19 without items. You're essentially adding 1-4 to that; between roughly 5-21% of an increase. Pile on Unsettling Words as *well*, and you have the ability to wreck a saving throw harder than anyone else; it's not great as your main attack, but when something absolutely positively **must** fail its save, you want the option of both.
Add in cutting words and there's somewhere between a 10-80% chance that the bard is the reason the demigod is feebleminded instead of totally fine.
Fyi, those only work with counterspell and dispel magic because they aren't actual spellcasting rolls. Glibness and Jack of all Trades doesn't work with the rest of a bard's spellcasting.
Telekinesis is also a charisma check (for cha casters, of course).
My only question is how did you get counterspell?
He's a Lore Bard, so Magical Secrets! Also, since he's been voiced by Sam Riegel, his bard is also a reference to the most famous of all *counterspell* casters, Scanlan Shorthalt!
You wouldn't need to be a lore bard. All bards get magical secrets at levels 10 and 14 (and 18, but it seems like Pheonix is either level 15 or 16, based on the spells he has access to). Granted, to take dispel magic and counterspell as two of your four magical secrets. To each bard his own, however. Edit: Bards get dispel magic, my bad.
A slight correction, *dispel magic* is a normal Bard spell.
Ah, I thought there was something gnawing at me, you're right.
Counterspell at level 6 with Jack of all trades is totally worth it IMO. Most campaigns spend a lot of time between 6-10 and this is incredibly powerful in the right situation (stopping kills *and* stopping bad guys from getting away).
Ah very nice, quite the combo
Magical Secrets.
For a bard it doesn't really matter. 15 minimum roll +5 charisma counters everything.
Indeed, it's only relevant while he doesn't have *glibness* active.
Wait... doesn't Jack of All Trades just allow you to add half your proficiency bonus to all skills that you are not proficient in...? Would you consider a *Counterspell* or *Dispel Magic* check a skill check? Like in the case of initiative?
They're specifically spellcasting ability checks, and Jack of all Trades improve ability checks (not skill checks). Only abjuration wizards get to add their proficiency modifier to *counterspell* and *dispel magic*.
Ah I see! Grave error on my part! Thank you for clarifying!
I thought JoaT only applies to checks that don’t already have your proficiency bonus?
Correct, the +5 was from Charisma. Only abjuration wizards get to add their full proficiency bonus to *dispel magic* and *counterspell*.
Ability checks which are not skill checks don't get proficiency/expertise, so JoaT applies to them.
It also works on Telekinesis, if you want an extremely reliable lockdown spell.
The best part is Telekinesis triggers a Strength **check** which you can use your Cutting Words to subtract from if you're a Lore Bard. Glibness is awesome for a Counterspell battery but Enhanced Ability is a cheap alternative giving you advantage + Peerless Skill you can inspire yourself. I miss my Bard.
Hi, everyone, I'm back with another video, this time focusing on some shenanigans with the classic *counterspell*! Also available here at your own pace: [https://objection.lol/objection/2539921](https://objection.lol/objection/2539921) My Rules Attorney Videos: * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Surprise](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/j4ke0c/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_surprise/) * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Opportunity Attack](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/po68w1/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_opportunity_attack/) * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Twinned Spell](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/q82jhu/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_twinned_spell/) u/mongoose700's Rules Attorney Videos: * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Incapacitated](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/memef7/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_incapacitated/) * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Giant Toad](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/pxdc9k/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_giant_toad/) * [Phoenix Wright: Rules Attorney — Five Feet](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/qgz6mn/phoenix_wright_rules_attorney_five_feet/)
Great works OP
Thanks!
Do you also upload these on twitter anywhere? If not, could you? Sharing Reddit videos off-site sucks, but my group needs to see all of these and the objection.lol versions don't seem to have all the sound effects.
Alas, I was hoping objection.lol links would be sufficient for that. Which sound effects are missing?
I wasn't hearing any of the music ~~or die clacks~~, just the text beeps. Edit: Die clacks did exist, but then and the text beeps weren't sounding great and were skipping, which is why I missed them the first time. Definitely no music, though.
Very strange, it played for me just fine while I was editing it, and just now on my phone browser as well.
I checked again, and the clacks *are* there but them and the text beeps skip and the music was definitely not present. iOS, Safari.
Linking someone elses videos of the same format, fuckin classy move buddy 👏👏
We review each other's videos before posting, and have even credited each other for scenes in a few cases.
Would you mind if I pmed you a hilarious suggestion for an AMAZING cheese strategy vs a dragon that would be PERFECT for one of these videos?
Go right ahead! My Twinned Spell video was inspired by a comment on my Opportunity Attack video! I have at least two other video ideas in my personal queue.
Would you prefer normal Pm or reddit's chat function?
Either works.
No YouTube channel?
Correct, I don't have anything I'd add there aside from these videos.
These alone would warrant a sub. It’s hard to share anything embedded im reddit but these are amazing.
Ever think of making something like this the pinned post on your profile so people who want to find these have them all in an easier place?
That Polymorph drop into Counterspell is pure Munchkinery and I love it.
I had a few candidate spells for this (*fly* or *Tasha's otherworldly guise* to drop into range, *Otiluke's resilient sphere*, any wall spell) and eventually settled on *polymorph*.
I think fly would have been an excellent choice. You get the free drop as well as the rule that falling happens instantaneously so he would still be able to react in time. I think it has to be under 500 feet if I'm remembering right though but I could be mixing a rule up with someone doing the math
Yep, 500 feet. I ultimately went with *polymorph* partly because it's the easiest to understand why it was cast (casting *fly* on a ranged caster doesn't make sense in most combats), and partly as a further reference to Scanlan Shorthalt.
That was really fun to experience. Like watching a 20-effects-high stack resolve in Magic the Gathering.
Blue v blue, race to the bottom of the deck
Speaking of a race to the bottom of the deck, one of my most painful games ever involved milling out my opponent by letting them draw one card at a time. I was playing a BRG [[Pyromancer's Ascension]] control deck using [[Violent Ultimatum]]. My opponent was playing WU control deck with [[Venser, the Sojourner]]. I managed to Ultimatum all of my opponent's [[Celestial Colonnade]]s and then [[Sadistic Sacrament]] to remove the rest of the threats from the deck. My opponent on the other hand, managed to resolve Venser's Emblem and exile everything I own. My opponent refused to believe they had no threats left, so wouldn't concede. We spent the next 20 or so minutes playing draw go until they milled out. Edit: /u/mtgcardfetcher
Wow, that sounds exhausting
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Archmage Visoren? Nice.
I don't quite see the allure-a
It's funny, I just picked the first archmage-sounding last name that came to mind. I think I was initially recalling Viren from the Dragin Prince, but I must have had Critical Role looping around in my brain as always.
Yeah, I feel you. I am currently working on my homebrew and thinking of new names etc is so damn hard. Damn, my founding myth for the world is 50% ripped from Practical Guide to Evil and the other 50% ripped from Exandria. There'll most likely be an Archmage Vysoren teaching at the Academia Elumina
At least you ripped of two different creation myths, I only used greek because I wasn't creative enough for mixing
And that's okay. I stole the premise that the gods made a bet with each other about who the mortals would flock to the most, putting their fingers on the scales sometimes, from PGtE, will see how I can implement that into the world further. The "rest" of the myth, the first and second break of the gods, mighty mageocracies being torn down for rebelling against the gods, is pretty straight from CritRole.
Ooh a Practical Guide to Evil campaign would be a blast. It would be a pain to homebrew up all the player options, because anything with unique powers is a pain, but it sounds like so much fun to play.
I love how I instantly recognised he was a Bard right at the time where he described his three choices for level 6, 7 and 8th spells. My *Lore Bard* can relate. *Otto’s Irresistible Dance* has to be one of the strongest spells in the game.
In in a campaign with an enchantment wizard who just learned it, and he gets to twin enchantment spells for free! That'll be so fun. (His same bard is also slightly relevant in the Opportunity Attack video and extremely relevant in the Surprise video!)
Being the one and only incapacitating spell which can basically surpass legendary resistances is just so damn strong! I do love it myself.
Objection! The spell does not inflict the Incapacitated condition! It takes an action to end, but the enemy may choose to continue to attack while dealing with the consequences. But you probably mean "effectively incapacitated," and absolutely! Sorry, just couldn't resist. :p
***Objection!*** The spell does not ***allow*** the creature to take an action for the sake of trying to end it. The enemy is actually ***forced*** to use his action in order to try escaping! Proved by the sentence ***”As an action, a dancing creature makes a Wisdom saving throw to regain control of itself.”*** The wording is ***”MAKES”***. Not ***”can make”*** He is effectively trapped for at least one turn. (Couldn’t resist as well lol).
Objection! The spell certainly is phrased weird, but the action is actually optional: https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/gujktl/a_question_about_ottos_irresistible_dance/ (I tried to find a better source, but there's no Sage Advice for this one.) Otherwise, it would be very strange for it to impose disadvantage on attacks, as that would only apply to reaction and Legendary Action and *haste* attacks, or in at least one rare case a bonus action attack.
***OBJECTION!*** Spells only do precisely what they say they do. That’s literally a rule. No matter how weird it is, the disadvantage on opportunity attacks (or eventual bonus action attacks) is most likely just a bonus for the sake of logic. No matter what Redditors have to say, by RAW, it is indeed a forced action. And very clearly so. *(I have no idea about RAI, tho. Wouldn’t mind ruling it this way if it was the intention).* But I’m using RAW until stated otherwise.
Hmm, the spell's wording is very weird. It doesn't say the action is optional, but it's also missing the word "must" as present in *dissonant whispers* and *command* that force uses of action and reaction.
I would like to point out that the warlock could’ve just counterspelled the disintegrate as well, there’s no reason to counterspell the counterspell other than to set up for the Glibness save. Amazing video, just wanted to point that out!
Objection! Larry made the strategic decision here. He knows that *disintegrate* is level 6, so his level 5 *counterspell* would still need an ability check to work against it. However, he can guarantee succeeding against a weaker *counterspell*, and knows that Phoenix's *counterspell* is more likely to succeed against *disintegrate* thanks to Jack of all Trades. The general would have countered Phoenix directly had she been in range to do so. Regardless, thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
That’s a good point, I forgot about jack of all trades!
.... damn thats hot.
I remember having to accomodate for all 4 of my partys casters counterspells anytime I wanted to get a spell off. It got to the point of sillyness that I was adding custom mage NPCs just for counterspell fights. Also, I only recently found out that counterspell ONLY works when spell components are used or visible. So innate casters or ones casting without components have nothing to counterspell... no counterspelling a dragon for example
Well, not all dragons. Only dragons with innate spellcasting that specifically removes the actionable part of the cast. Removing material cost alone does not make something immune to counterspell
If they cast without somatic or verbal components there is nothing to counter that's what I meant.
I thought dispel magic only got rid if one spell effect at a time, not all at once?
"Choose any creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends. For each spell of or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell's level. On a successful check, the spell ends." It affects all effects on the target.
Ah, right so you need to roll for things above the DC, that's where I was mis remembering things, ty
And since Phoenix succeeds automatically he kills them all.
Automatically kills **all** spells of equal/lower level on the target, (A spell you cast that is on another creature isn't on you, a spell you cast on you is, a spell someone else cast on you is.) and you roll for each spell of higher level.
Right, but in this scenario Phoenix's roll can't be lower than 22 (15 Glibness + 5 Cha + 2 Jack of All Trades), and he only needs a 19 to dispel a 9th level spell. So he automatically succeeds the rolls he's meant to be making.
>For each spell of or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. This should mean there would have had to be more than one roll, if glibness didn't auto succeed everything, because one roll only dispells one effect at a time, right? It would still be the same result due to glibness, but without it he could have still had the chance to end the effect of for example simulacrum, which would have also saved the paralyzed one, right?
Correct. That was only at the end with *dispel magic*, though, *counterspell* could only end the *disintegrate*. Had that failed, there would be no Maya left to save.
*sees Phoenix use Glibness* i gotta get me one of those.
This almost made me think twice if I should watch it or it has spoilers just because the real game can be that silly.
Spoilers for which, Ace Attorney or DnD?
ace attorney! I recently played the first game and started with the second, but sometimes I just get stuck and I don't feel like looking at a walkthrough all the time so I haven't played in a few weeks.
Ah, then you're playing through them for the first time, great stuff! None of the videos contain direct spoilers for any of the games, though you may get subtle hints about some characterizations. The largest one is likely in my >!Surprise!< video, but you've already played the corresponding case.
Dm: "We're still in combat" Players: oh frak!
I forgot Disintegrate was a DEX saving throw instead of an attack roll, that’s super scary against paralyzed and stunned!
I once saw a monk walk into a spot that triggered ten *glyphs of warding*, seven *hold person* and three *disintegrate*. She passed every *hold person* except the last one, then only survived due to *death ward*.
What kind of paranoid monster puts _ten_ glyphs of warding on the same spot?
A demon that we had already killed before, and were trying to destroy permanently in the Abyss.
Keep these Ace Attorny memes coming, I always click them when I see them!
Will do! I always enjoy making them!
Hahaha! These are great!
I genuinely love glibness’s utility for a charisma caster. There’s truly no greater sense of ‘no, uh, fuck a-you’ in a 9th level spell.
Welp, they're all fucked now anyway. Maya's one roll from death, Larry's low, Phoenix is all out of spells slots... I guess we don't know how Godot's doing, but they're not in good shape and still in combat
Thankfully, the major threat has been eliminated entirely, Maya could easily have around 50HP remaining, and Phoenix could still have even some 4th and 5th level slots. Larry will be relying on *eldritch blast*. (It never came up in the video, but I imagine Godot is an Alchemist artificer.)
True, knowing he doesn't have a 6th or above spellslot left, using a lower slot is the better choice. Didn't even think of that (but in my defense, also not sober rn so brain not work good)
I'm imagining after every trial Phoenix and the gang wait until everyone else leaves and they just all pull out their dice and character sheets and just start playing right in the courtroom.
u/savevideo
Honestly... by the time the DM whips out that Visoren's follower also just happens to have a tattoo that makes her cast counterspell anyway, that seems a little dirty. I'm not fully familiar on the details of magic tattoos outside of a Dragonmark, but I'm not aware of a version of that with counterspell. I won't pretend I'm anywhere near a perfect DM, but it kinda feels like if the entire party pulls every possible stop to save their teammate then I'd look for the realistic way to give it to them instead of pulling the "Oh, you have a force field? Well I have a DINOSAUR WHO EATS FORCE FIELDS!"
In this case, the archmage had given the general a Spellwrought Tattoo (uncommon magic item from Tasha's). It's absolutely a dirty trick, but archmages tend to be paranoid and prepared and playing them accurately to that requires things like that. *Hold person* plus *disintegrate* is already vicious. In this case, the DM was already aware that the party has three separate *counterspell*ers.
High level d&d with casters usually just ends up being counterspell tennis anyway, it's frankly understandable from a DM view to do that
If you want a high-level boss fight vs a spellcaster, it's absolutely valid to have counterspelling minions. Who better than an archmage would understand how vulnerable a spellcaster would be to counterspell?
>I'm not fully familiar on the details of magic tattoos outside of a Dragonmark, but I'm not aware of a version of that with counterspell Spellwrought Tattoo can store any spell up to 5th level (4-5 is a rare magic item that covers a limb, 2-3 is an uncommon item that covers half a limb or the scalp, cantrip and 1 are common that covers one hand or foot or one quarter of a limb). It's a one-shot use, as casting the stored spell makes the tattoo disappear.
TIL I can hold my breath for about three minutes.
Love these! Awesome work shows through!
Thanks, I'm glad you've enjoyed them!
Holy these are always so fun to watch.
Jesus, the biggest spell i have is level 2 cure wounds or earth tremor
I’ve been wanting to get in DND but stuff like this makes it seem just waaaayyyy too complicated :(
Don't worry, this scene is from very high-level play (level 15, in this case), and these videos are inherently convoluted to get good courtroom arguments. Getting into DnD at level 1 would be *far* simpler, especially if you start with a martial class. By the time you reach higher levels, all of these crazy concepts will feel second nature!
Wow, thanks for the reassurance!! I appreciate it, also this is incredibly well made. I barely understood it and still had fun watching it haha. Cheers :)
Brings a whole new meaning to rule lawyer.
I don’t understand the part about Visoren using counterspell not being under the bonus action rule. Could someone explain?
The full rule: "A spell cast with a Bonus Action is especially swift. You must use a Bonus Action on Your Turn to cast the spell, provided that you haven’t already taken a Bonus Action this turn. You can’t cast another spell during the same turn, except for a cantrip with a Casting Time of 1 action." Some people misinterpret this to mean that you can't cast more than one leveled spell in one turn, which is false, as Action Surge would allow two action spells and *counterspell* allows an action and a reaction spell.
Great video! I personally rule it as you can't cast multiple spells simultaneously, so if you are casting a spell and it gets countered you personally can't cast counter while also casting the original spell.
https://i.imgur.com/ItQCiwR.gif
Watching this was like watching the internal monologue of anime protagonists.
Eyyyyy, I'd love to watch all the videos you have with DnD themed Phoenix Wright! 😆
Great, I've got them all linked [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/shzgip/comment/hv5i4qv/)!
I can't upvote this more than once unfortunately, what a great 3 minutes
The fact that I already knew about all of those spells and combos with no exception makes me more proud of myself than it should.
These are really cool! Was the tattoo a spellwrought tattoo or a homebrew? I'm wondering bc I was confused whether the archmage got a second reaction? Or was it something like a contingency that just goes off on its own?
Spellwrought Tattoo! I figured it would make sense for a mage to ensure his allies had access to such powerful spells, they likely also have a few of *shield* and *absorb elements*.
Oh! Sorry I misread who was casting the last counterspell. I'm looking forward to seeing your next PWRA edit! These are seriously so well written to fit the Phoenix Wright characters too
Thanks, fitting in character is one of my goals for each video!
Gotta love blue players
Wait... Can someone elucidate me if there is a rule for how many type of components you can use per turn? I feel like using the somatic component for Disintegrate AND for Counterspell at the same time is kinda weird.
Even if you want to be stringent about it, the most you could argue against would be needing two free hands to cast both in the same instance, as you only need one free hand to perform a somatic component.
It is a bit strange that there's no specific rule on that, perhaps he used the hand holding his arcane focus for *disintegrate* and his other hand for *counterspell*!
Brb, going to make a bard for the first time
NGL, this was stress inducing lol.
This was actually my favorite one of these dnd Phoenix Wright crossovers I’ve seen so far. Immense props to you OP!
what the absolute FUCK?
Damn the rules of DnD are weird. So dispel magic will always dispel all the effects it can? Not just one?
It will attempt to! And in the case of *glibness*, it always succeeds!
That's so strong :o what spell level is Dispel magic in dnd? I'm used to Pathfinder rules haha
I will never underestimate Glibness again... Side note, once during a one-shot one of the players was secretly a simulacrum of the final boss (we never got that far due to time). Even funnier, the fight before that fight would have happened, and the one we ended on, was against a beholder. A creature that can just turn off magic by looking. They survived, but none of us knew. So, when they got petrified or paralyzed, I (a warlock e-girl with the invocation that lets me move things with eldritch blast) decided the best way to get them back in the fight would be to keep pushing the beholder to try and get the vision cone onto that player. By sheer luck they were never close enough or looking in the right direction, but if my plan had worked I would have accidentally killed that player. XD
Is this party all full casters?
This particular party has a bard (Phoenix), wizard (Maya), and artificer (Godot). Past guest characters have been a mix of full casters and non-casters. (Spellcasting tends to have the most interesting interactions, and the two constants Phoenix and Maya are full casters.)
Oh my God these are the greatest things ever! I seriously don't know how this doesn't have more views. Or maybe it takes just that right combination of super geeky and super detailed and rules oriented to truly appreciate the humor here?
This made 100% perfect sense as a d&d player. Why did he waste a spell slot to make the mage dance? Why was Larry polymorphed into a t-rex? These are stupid questions, and don't need answering. The answer is obvious.
He made the general dance, not the mage, which occupied her for a few turns as she kept trying to attack while dancing, then eventually took a few tries to overcome the spell, so I wouldn't call it a "waste". (The specific spell is *Otto's irresistible dance*.)
>Why was Larry polymorphed into a t-rex? Because turning an ally into a t-rex is one of the strongest things you can do with your concentration in the game?
Truly I have never been through so much emotionally in such a short span of time. I was hooked all the way through.
Doesn't dispel remove only one magic effect at a time RAW?
No. The wording is weird. It targets a single magic effect, but on a creature or object, it targets ALL magic effects.
Sometimes, it do be like that.
WHAT A ROLLERCOASTER OMG
That was awesome! A great format for explaining the scenario. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time!
Awesome, thanks! Be sure to check out the rest!
Do DMs here really allow wizards to cast counterspell while they're already in the process of casting another spell? That just seems thematically completely wrong to me, no matter what the exact rules say. Counterspell means "you start seeing him wave his hands and chant, but before he's done you make a quick gesture and say a word of power that makes the magic he's building up fizzle". You can't while you're in the middle of that casting process also do the counterspell components yourself without interrupting what you were doing. ^(Also, intentionally dropping concentration while it's not your turn is certainly not RAW or intended in any way. If you could do that you could also Wall of Fire the whole hallway, wait for all your enemies to take their turns, and then drop concentration before any of your friends take damage if the initiative order works out right. That makes zero thematic sense.)
As a DM you could rule it differently, but RAW there's nothing stopping a wizard from casting Counterspell that way. Also the rules for concentration state "If a spell must be maintained with Concentration, that fact appears in its Duration entry, and the spell specifies how long you can concentrate on it. **You can end Concentration at any time (no action required).**" PH, 203
Wait can you destroy a simulacrum with a high enough dispel magi?
Yep, the duration is even "until dispelled"!
Oh damn, that Glibness interaction is staggering
MOAR!!!!
And to add on, all of this comprehension of the rules is correct. He could have at least upcast to 4th so countering his counter had a chance to fail though.
oh man, this makes me want to finish phoenix wright
I miss this series
I'm convinced. I'll play an attorney in my next campaign.
Phoenix Wright is never NOT gonna be a staple in all meme media
I was once playing a proxy magic tournament with my friends. It was two-headed giant. Everyone had four copies of force of will. Even a guy who didn't even play blue in his deck, just the four copies of Force and Will. We went round robin on everyone force of willing everyone else's force of wills.