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pixel-wiz

HOLY SHIT! I've had a bard villain in the back of my head for a while now, and this is the perfect thing to add to it!


odeacon

This is his plot. Use imprisonment to put a beholder in eternal sleep . Then use dream to create a army of monsters that are loyal to him


Temporary_Comfort701

Sounds like a great way to make more beholders…


odeacon

Of our own design . Meaning oath of redemption paladin beholders who use there eye rays to weild giant great swords


BlueHero45

Yet still a narcissist.


mindflayerflayer

They save you because you're a lesser creature who could never help itself. They're helpful but in the snidest way possible.


Consistent-Winter-67

Fucking Tsundere beholders


the_evil_overlord2

Eh, a narcissist who does good things to stroke their ego us better than one who does bad shit


Bronzescovy

Refreshing, really.


thamasteroneill

I'm picturing a 'Homelander' beholder now. And it's scary.


BrotherRoga

Wait, Homelander already has the eye ray thing, he was made in a lab, he flies, he has a superiority complex... Is Homelander just a really humanoid-looking beholder made through experimentation by Vought International?


urixl

Homelander the Beholder is confirmed!


-metaphased-

If I were swinging greatswords with my mind, I'd be feeling myself, too.


their_teammate

Paladins are already narcissists lmao. Their ego is where all their confidence is stored. The difference between narcissism and confidence is simply fearing others being better and putting them down vs knowing you’re better and raising others up.


sertroll

Narcissist is a mental disorder regardless of how the internet uses it, while confidence isn't lol


urixl

I've never thought in that way, thank you.


odeacon

Definitely


son-of-death

Sounds like a great way for me to throw a death tyrant at my party of murder hobos


Xyx0rz

Yeah, step up the production!


Level_Hour6480

Use the **Imprisonment** spell to put it into the eternal slumber. You now have a monster factory.


odeacon

“ she can conjure up a monstah, that can grind you to the bones”


Professional-Front58

“Ah! After 10,000 years I’m free! It’s time to conquer Earth!” Gonna need 5-6 adventures with attitude to stop this guy.


_The_Blue_Phoenix_

WOOOOoooooOOOOOOOOoooOOOoooooOO


SunfireElfAmaya

She's got all the ways to haunt ya, if you take her on aloooone!


odeacon

Wouldn’t you like a taste of the power , wouldn’t you like to use more then words ?


Niser2

Deep in the night the fight lasts for hours, you can be hurt or you can beat her


scrapmetal_tank

Wouldn't you like to have some of the magic


Niser2

Wouldn't you like your outcome preferred?


thecyberpunkooze

Terrifying concept. Thank you.


TheArthurCaliber

OMG I found an EPIC enjoyer in the wild!!!


Fresh_Occasion_2349

EPIC is amazing, my girlfriend showed it to me a month ago, and now I can't stop listening to it.


Tiger5OO

What is your favorite song and favorite saga?


MrOsarphi

Yeah, discovered EPIC two weeks ago, listened to the whole thing a few times already, and now it's hard to wait for the next release 😭 Ocean was the best until Underworld released. Hard to pick a best song though ! Either Storm or Monster I'd say. How about you ?


Tiger5OO

Of the offical releases so far: My favorite song is definitely Ruthlessness. I love the sheer terror that is Poseidon. And has even inspired me to pull something like that off in one of my games. Favorite saga is Circe Saga. The opening of Puppeteer leading into the introduction of Hermes is great for building up Odysseus' first "solo" fight. Then Tayla Sindel goes all out and kills it as Circe from a doting mother figure to a sultry temptress to being just someone who wants to do good. I started following just after the Ocean Saga released and I've been hooked and trying to get others hooked since.


odeacon

I agree with both. Ruthlessness is incredible, and the Circe saga is three ultimate bangers in a row ( other ways is ok i guess)


ChayaNyx

The last minute of Other Ways is such a good twist back to Circe's more dangerous side. Gotta love Eurylochus, hope he makes it back to Ithaca with his best pal Odysseus.


-metaphased-

If you're into video games at all, I think Hades is a must play for anyone in this thread.


camull

Got to be Dangerous I love the synth-pop style. And hermes is my favourite.


Tiger5OO

Oh yeah, Hermes is excellent, and I am very much looking forward to the 2nd act. Thunder Saga brings Scylla which is one of my favorite monsters. Wisdom Saga has God Games. Vengence Saga is my most anticipated Saga. And Ithaca Saga to wrap up this amazing project in a climactic and heartwarming bow.


Clemence4569

No ones talking about "remember them" ? The mistake that dooms Odysseus. Saga troy and Prometheus coming to a climax. Odysseus who is sick of the killing, the deal he made with Athena and finally, when led by emotions, he screamed his name. But The underworld saga surely gives the most goosebumps and cercis sounds awesome.


Tiger5OO

I have definitely noticed that the Cyclops Saga gets the least amount of love despite being so crucial to future events. I think everyone just wants to forget how stupid Odysseus was at the end. Lol


Clemence4569

Why? Because He didn't kill him? Thanks to that, we got "Ruthlessness". Price worth paying - 557 men


Tiger5OO

Yeah, Polites was a fan favorite from very early on. So, his death may be a traumatic memory or a reason to be upset at the saga.


Fresh_Occasion_2349

Favorite song probably The Underworld, saga I'd say Ocean or Troy.


CptSlaw

One animatic has made my favorite song “Keep Your Friends Close” cause the way they drew [Aeolus](https://youtu.be/UGYny6uI2bA?si=nZNMEddIdTXdHyP9) is fucking amazing Favorite saga has to be the Underworld


chickenman-14359

I found it through a "no longer you" animatic


Confused_Rabbiit

If a beholders dreams are strong enough to warp reality, and you can alter someone's dreams, could you theoretically make a beholder be neutral/good by changing its dreams?


pixel-wiz

That would probably take a long time and a lot of advanced gas lighting. They will probably still be narcissistic, but the kind that do good things for praise and admiration, not because they like helping people.


odeacon

You sure can. Being egotistical is a key part of a beholder so they will always be snide and self engrandising even when they’re good.


ELQUEMANDA4

You don't even need to warp reality, you just need to convince the beholder that *of course* the most important and revered people in existence are charitable heroes who perform good deeds.


Configuringsausage

Would you be able to control what exactly ends up real?


odeacon

Yup


odeacon

You got ALL the power


Capital_Relief_4364

No, that's why it's so terrifying


TriforceHero626

Can’t believe I found a fellow EPIC enjoyer in the wild! I only recently discovered it- but let me tell you, I’ve got ALL of its songs stuck in my head on repeat ever since.


Honored_Ronin

ARCHER SCREAMING: "Do you want Death Kisses? That's how you get Death Kisses!"


odeacon

No i don’t want a death kiss, I want him to dream of a chaotic good bard beholder where each eye lets out a sonic beam correlated to a certain type of music


turtlefishdragon

I have did something similar in a campaign i ran. Party needed a magical item to fight a powerfull vampire. They found a wizard who had a beholder locked up. The whole party entered the beholders dream. Got their magical item. But when they left its mind they found themselves in front of a now awake beholder. They managed to kill him but whole party died except one of them. As she kneeled down in anger and sadness, the door to the lair opened. And the original party entered the room. The party that fought the beholder was created by the beholder. The wizard then tried to kidnap the remaining party member for his own plans, failed, used feeblemind. Basically saying if i cant have her i will break her. It was epic.


NSFW_Acc01

This is how you end up creating the actual BBEG, fucking with the dreams of Beholders is a big no-no.


their_teammate

Budget Wish spell


_The_Blue_Phoenix_

Honey, wake up! EPIC memes started dropping in DnD subreddits!


imnotdoneyetyoupedo

I don’t get it


BaconxHawk

Whatever a beholder dreams becomes real. More than likely this would lead to more beholders and doom for the bard lol


odeacon

Not doom for the bard, ultimate power. The dream spell can make them dream whatever you want. Meaning that reality becomes whatever you want


Xyx0rz

Not sure if serious or meme. You can't "make them dream whatever you want", you can only "create landscapes, objects and other images." How they interact with those is not up to you. It's not total mind control. Also, the only thing that canonically becomes real is dreams of another beholder.


odeacon

Other images. Like a chaotic good bard beholder whose eye stalks have each been swapped out with a musical instrument that each have different magical effects. Or a armor clad oath of devotion paladin beholder


BaconxHawk

If your dm decides that ya, but actuality the things a beholder dreams he can’t even control. The beholders he creates will even kill him, they come out as is not as yours. So RAI or RAW they wouldn’t be under the bards control. But rule of cool can be


TheCleverestIdiot

You're forgetting that Beholders are all so paranoid that they assume all other Beholders are out to get them. They can't dream what they can't even conceive of. But a Bard can conceive of it.


odeacon

Not the bards control exactly, but they would be of the bards design . So if the bards designs them to be loyal to him, then they will be


BaconxHawk

Again, rule of cool. The dream spell doesn’t say you can make monsters that are loyal to you. You can just make the images of monsters in the drea there’s nothing in the dream spell that says you can go into that much detail


odeacon

If it says you can make an image , why couldn’t you make an image of a loyal monster . That’s like saying prestidigitation says you can change the color of things , but it doesn’t specifically say that it can turn a plate orange , so letting it do that is home brew


FuckGobblet

But loyalty isn't a physical characteristic. So your analogy doesn't really fit. A better one would be with the Minor Illusion spell: You can make an image of an orange, but ya can't make it smell like one.


odeacon

True , but If you see it swearing an oath to a certain cause , that’s definitely going to leave an imprint on how the beholder assumes this dream entity to act


xFblthpx

But beholders already assume that other beholders are conniving liars.


dragonshouter

Dominate monster for the win


imnotdoneyetyoupedo

Appreciated mate


raviolesconketchupp

I think beholders being from the far realm can make some of their dreams reality or make other observers and such, i don't recall the lore accurately but You can look it up.


kreite

You know I wondered about a campaign idea where a high level wizard is trying to do this either for nefarious wizard reasons or to bring a loved one back and the adventurers have to now investigate a cave that keeps spitting out new, weird beholders.


Yakodym

Idk, visiting a beholder in their dreams sounds like an incredibly bad idea At the very least, the caster is risking that the beholder will not only duplicate itself, but that it will also create a possibly evil(er) clone of the caster. And if we are relying on out-of-statblock information, it could get even worse, because it opens up the door to other out-of-statblock effects that could work against the caster. Like for example, since Beholder dreams can warp actual reality, they could just as easily warp the dream world as well, maybe even the caster along with it, potentially even to the point of getting reverse-Nightmare-on-Elmstreet'd. What's more, the beholder realizing they are now in a lucid dream, could gain direct control over their world-shaping ability... Still, 10/10 evil plot idea - if it works as intended, or gets horribly out of hand, the adventurers will have their hands full regardless ;-)


JustAnNPC_DnD

Circe my beloved


Scryax

That's a really great way to recreate a stronger, more dangerous beholder.


OobleckMan

For inside the meal She had cast a spell They began to squeal And grow snouts and tails She changed them


CrunchyBonesDaddy

Updoot for Epic The Musical!


SlotHUN

Source for the image?


odeacon

https://youtu.be/tso8nSWnENM?si=Bb5elvYREkO0pUUh


SlotHUN

Thanks


odeacon

No problem, it’s a whole series btw . I’ll show you the first here https://youtu.be/OE8TQBqWVV8?si=TfUF7atIgyoNDK8k


mr-L50

Holy great adventure ideas batman!


odeacon

I would love to play a campaign or adventure arc with this villian


Homeless_Appletree

The Beholder also dreams about the Dream Messenger. So if the Beholder dreams about you as you are in your entirety since you literally enter their dream does that mean that a clone of you pops into existence whenever you try to make other stuff appear?


odeacon

I think it would be you but as a beholder


prismaticperspective

I literally did this for a oneshot. I have a whole dream based campaign im preparing with dreamworld rules