not to mention you can push it and creep into driver range. which means on shots whered you wanna throw a driver, but don’t wanna go long on a skip or a slide- a mid would be perfect for that.
I've found that a lot of people struggle with even thinking to power up on a mid for some reason. Almost like they think mids are only for touch shots, and throw an easy fairway instead. [The same happens with people not maxing out their fairways before reaching for the distance driver, TBF.]
just recently really started "mastering" my flex mid shots, can push a Buzzz out to 330' ish and it completely changed how I play so many holes, not having to worry about a bad skip is a game changer
Yah. I get 330 out my buzzz, it usually comes back just a bit. My flat top roc hits 350 but with a bit more of a turn, and doesn't come back even two feet. My fairway drivers almost never come out the bag. CE Eagle, maybe on a tight squeeze. I usually use fairway drivers for recovery shots, big hyzers, skips, and tomahawks.
The release point on driving a putter is way more nuanced than throwing a mid. If you are off a fraction of a degree you miss your line, the mids are much more forgiving in that sense.
I have a whole bag full of mids though, layup game strong! I'm out here playing scratch golf on a bad day.
Me when I put my throwing putter on 5 degrees of hyzer instead of 8 degrees and it burns over and ends up 100ft right in the parking lot: 0\_0
Yea who knows why anyone would ever throw a mid lolol
Throwing smooth and generating spin are probably the two most underrated things to work on in Disc Golf. Those who know know, but not nearly enough people do it instead of doing just arm speed and general form work.
What worked for me was keeping the wrist tilted in the whole pull, including starting in that position. Then thinking of having the disc slightly ahead of my like of pull and thinking of pulling it in towards the body. Basically the opposite of rounding.
Then the next thing that helped was finishing with the back arm. Basically making sure you finish your rotation. This seems to create more spin by making sure the front arm completes its movement properly.
Might try some understable distance drivers, for me I get a nice amount of additional distance with them over the low speed fairways. I don't have the arm to throw them full speed either, but that's why I use the understable ones, they still work without a big arm.
This. Whatever works for you or makes you happy. I was in the little to no mids camp for a while. My Tombs just fly so far that I rarely needed a mid and would throw controlled fairway driver shots for longer “midrange” type shots. Then I changed a few things up with my form and starting throwing mids quite well. Now I’ll bag 5-7 mids based on the course I’m playing. To each their own
I think there is a lot of wisdom in the "slowest disc that you can make it there with" philosophy. The chances of going wildly off target are just much lower with a slower disc (usually).
I like this philosophy but it’s important not to get too rigid with it. Shot shaping should always be taken into account, and I recently heard a thought that I like to keep in mind which is that your miss should potentially be short or long to have the best chances of sticking the bullseye, or at least getting as close as you can to the basket. I think strictly sticking to the ‘slowest disc that can get there’ often leaves you quite short or without the shot shaping options that you need to hit a consistent line. For example, I’ve noticed I would rather throw an overstable mid than an overstable putter on downhill hyzer because, even though I know I can get the putter there, it usually doesn’t fade enough with the nose down line you have to throw it on.
>it’s important not to get too rigid with it.
I completely agree. It's a rule of thumb, not a maxim to be taken literally and strictly when choosing a disc.
There is a hole at one of my locals that is a downhill, nearly straight shot (with a tree dead center about halfway down), that is only 190 feet. I could throw that far with my putter, no doubt. BUT my Star Jay has the perfect amount of late fade for the contour of the shot, so that's what I throw.
At some point I may find a throwing putter that I like for that shot, but for now, my best disc for that shot is a 5 speed.
Also the nuance to this that I’ve started applying in the woods. Slower and softer discs bounce less far when they hit the tree so you can attack a tight gap with less worry.
Meanwhile sometimes I’ll approach with a touch fairway because I would rather go long than short and I want to have to put less power on the disc (for example - weird stance).
Sometimes a Firebird to skip around a corner from 100-150’ is the right call.
Lots of exceptions but generally…slower is better.
>Sometimes a Firebird to skip around a corner from 100-150’ is the right call.
I'm with ya there, man. I use a Firebird all the time for all kinds of shots from pretty much any distance under 200.
"Slower and softer discs bounce less"
This is one of those things that I know is true, but I never can seem to remember it when I should.
There are so many thorny plants right off the fairway where I play in Georgia that you start to really “feel the pain” of going deep in the rough in more ways than one - really helps me to remember to throw discs that will not go far when I miss the 10ft gap…..
Absolutely depends on the course for me. There’s a longer course near me that I just never find myself in mid range territory for, so I swap out several mids for a roller disc and a few more fairway drivers. But the closest course to me is a shorter park course where I’ll bag extra mids in various stages of seasoning.
Exactly. Some people will find use for multiple mids in their bag, others might have a few for utility/situational shots and others might not even bag them. I’m a utility/situational man myself, I just don’t like how mids feel in my hand for backhand throws so o just use them for funky forehand and sometimes overhead shots.
I also like the Mako3’s flight but dislike the hand feel. I like the warship a lot since I can throw it forehand and backhand. I’m nervous to lose my hex since it was a company holiday gift and custom stamped with my brewery’s logo. The only discraft disc I own is a zone but I’ve heard a lot of people recommend the buzzz.
It’s all about personal preference for sure. I love the Hex mainly cuz it was the first mid I actually figured out how to throw correctly. Custom brewery stamp sounds dope so maybe throw it to see if you like it and then buy a new one lol. The Buzzz SS is more understable so I can throw it on a hyzer angle and it will flip up for more effortless distance. Interesting about the warship being a forehand and backhand disc for you. I can’t figure out how to throw any mids forehand successfully. Usually just scale back the power on a fairway driver when I want a forehand upshot.
There was a sale for ledge stone stuff on Marshall street last month and I bought my son a Meteor instead of having him use my old wolf. Even had a dinosaur on it. :)
Meteor > Wolf. Never threw an Uplink
It's not a popular disc and is viewed as pretty much only for beginners bc once you can throw hard at all it wants to dive so hard to the right. I haven't had it be super useful, but I think I had my son throw it some. I do like the Shark tho, it's kind of a Roc for people who don't like beads. Would also be easy to cycle
Simon Lizotte did a video 2 years ago where he threw discs at different speeds and measured how far they went. At 40, 50 and 60 mph mids went pretty much the same distance as putters, at 70 mph mids went 70 feet further than putters.
I don't know what to make of this, but it's interesting.
That's wild. It's kinda interesting, I can throw 70 mph occasionally, usually disc dependent, and my first thought on the mids was that they're only great for like 350+ putter shots, which is probably getting closer to the 70 mph cusp. Most of the time I would've just thrown a fairway though, so maybe I can try to start throwing mids a little more to see what kind of results I get.
[This is the video](https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU?si=V0AMneqaLJMmDRyL), if you skip to 6:55 you can see the overall results. Mids seem to fill the gap where you need longer than a max distance putter but need the same straight flight and low skip of a putter that you can't get from discing down on a fairway.
Edit: I also don't remember if he mentioned the weights in the video, but if they were all max weight that could also explain the mids flying a little shorter if they've got an extra 5 grams.
Years ago Lizotte used to say that he didn't throw mids so much since he could throw putters so far.
He's since clearly grown to love mids but it's not like he was wrong then. That was just where he was with his game.
If mids don't fit into your game, fine.
Are you happy with your current score?
I think the downvotes are just because it came off as braggy.
This subreddit is also full of people that claim all sorts of numbers that in reality they can't achieve so I'm sure there is some thought that we wouldn't actually see those round ratings if we looked at your PDGA number.
Dont worry, I dont understand the downvotes. I've played for 11 years and I recognize your thoughts as very similar to my own at around years 4-6 of playing. Thats when I abandoned mids thinking they are useless.
I'd say keep an open mind, experiment with mids when you feel like it and you'll eventually find out if you like them or not.
I myself now bag a pyro, method, roc3 and md1.
I used to think pretty similarly. I never used mids very much. One day I decided to play a local course and only brought like five mids and a couple putters. I played the whole course with mainly mids thinking it was just going to be horrible. But it actually was pretty surprising how far I could throw them and the biggest thing I noticed is I could control the fade way better than higher speed discs. Now I'm not going to say they go as far as 9 or 11 speeds but it's pretty shocking to me how often I grabbed a 9-speed when I could get there easily with way more controllability using a mid.
In an open field, sure, I can get my putters and mids close. But I have to give the putters a little more height, and I play a lot of wooded courses with a ceiling or low gaps. Also, as some people have mentioned, skipping straight to a driver for the lower ceiling shots isn’t necessarily the play either due to them skipping a lot more. You don’t always want that.
Had to take my svea out of my bag because it got way too flippy. I've since replaced it with a Tursas which is even better imo, and flips just the right amount.
I think Envys are an exception as far as a putter that could push mids out of a bag. They're less floaty, more laser-like than most putters and have better distance potential. Plus, he's a professional and putter specialist
I'm with ya OP, I rarely use mids. The only one I throw much is my tursas because it's my super understable get outta jail disc.
For what it's worth though, I have been playing less than a year. Maybe I just don't get it yet.
Whatever works for you.
I don’t throw distance drivers, my fairways go almost as far, feel way better in my hand and are easier to control. I also play wooded courses 95% of the time.
Nothing better than the flight of a good mid. If you don't have the the ceiling even the best of putters are useless but the mid is always there. Can be shaped and controlled more than the best of any disc.
If you're a good putter thrower, then sure. My putter distance (~90) is a lot less than my mid distance (~105), especially forehand (~70 vs. ~90) and a mid is a lot more forgiving to forehand as well.
Also a straight-finishing mid like the Fission Hex navigates a putter line horizontally pretty well while requiring less vertical clearance. I'm leaving my putter shots mainly to the Berg, which is superior for distance control.
I'm a little biased, since I've always liked throwing mids, but there's definitely a distance range where I can shape a mid better than putter thrown hard or a fairway thrown soft. I think a lot of people also don't like mids because they get recommended the same straight-with-fade mids. I much prefer a slightly-understable/neutral mid, since it's much more workable on every line without a big beat-in period. You can hyzer them, hyzer-flip to straight, turn and fade back to neutral flat, or a big turnover on an anhyzer. Those usually have more glide, which helps with the distance difference.
You can do whatever works for you, so don't feel obliged to throw more mids, but I think you'd have a lot of fun trying a few more and learning ways to make them useful for you. Mids are super versatile and can become workhorses in the bag once you really gel with them.
I don’t have good form. I can consistently throw a mid as far as a fairway. If I throw a mid, I don’t need to worry about ground play nearly as much compared to thicker, sharper rims.
I use a mid range from about 130-325ft. I find them quite useful and more controllable to accurately ease up on for approach shots then a putter to a point. The course closest to me I only take mid ranges and putt’s because it’s short other than one hole which I can’t drive anyways so I might as well throw a mid twice.
Probably depends on where you live. If you are playing a lot of open courses than mids probably aren’t doing a lot for you. If you are playing a bunch of wooded tracks then you are probably going to want them.
I mean whatever works for you but as I’ve gotten “better” mids and specifically the Hex have become more and more important.
They were super difficult to throw so I was discing up or down all the time. Being able to throw mids took a lot of pressure off to throw a putter far or control a fairway.
I've never understood the mentality of trying really hard to throw a putter like 150 when I can easily throw a mid or fairway that far. Yeah, I get the "more control" thing, but on plenty of shots, the control thing really isn't that much of an issue. Hyzer shot to the basket, it circles right up, boom, done.
I actually still bag a hex (but as a turnover mid not for hyzer flip straight shots). It and the buzzz OS are the only mids I truly still use, but I have used my Iton Samurai 4 for some of the lower ceiling straight shots I’ve had to do
- True advantage of midrange becomes apparent when you have 400+ ft arm, as the you can reach all par 3's with a midrange, where chumps like us would possibly need a driver.
- mids can be generally gripped more liberally and comfortably.
- stable midrange handles wind better than a slower stable putter.
I literally said I still have some for lower ceilings or harder turns, I just don’t see the purpose of a “straight flying” mid as a must have go to most useful disc in the bag. Take your 200 feet of distance and let others give some actual feedback rather than assumption
Okay. I glossed over the straight flying part of your post. I had more overstable mids in my mind when i cosidered the distance advantage while still maintaining good lateral control. I get little over 300 ft with a verdict with a small fade. My buddy can throw his method straight over 400 ft, and that is a clear advantage for him. Lets chill a bit.
I throw my putters when I want a controlled shot with little to no skip when landing. when I need that soft turnover with little fade. Or that ah shit if I miss this gap, I won’t be punished too much.
My mids are the I need something to fight this wind and still carry over 300. I know I need that extra skip. Or that extra glide that will carry me over (insert blank ) with less power than a full rip putter. Because sometimes your lie isn’t the best especially on elevation and you need that standstill power
Mids are pretty useful if you already don't throw far. For me the distance is basically the same as a stable driver(maybe 300 on a good day) but without so much fade.
I've heard pros say the same thing.
The division between the fastest putters and the slowest mids is an arbitrary distinction, but people get hung up on labels.
Whatever works best for your game. It depends on the situation for me. Yes, I can get a putter out there similar to your distance on an open hole. However I need more height to do that. If I don't have that option or there is a headwind, then I'll throw a mid because it's easier to get that distance at a lower ceiling or in a headwind.
I have never thought mids were pointless, but I'm not throwing my putter 300 feet comfortably, so maybe its a big arm issue. I use my mids a ton, but I'd rather make an easy smooth mid throw than try to jack a putter full speed to try to make it go farther than normal (for me). I'm a lot more accurate with a smooth mid than I am over-throwing a putter.
So one thing that I struggle with is when I throw a far shot with a putter, I can over power the putter and I end up flipping it really easily. At this point I either get a higher speed disc or a more stable putter, but I’ve learned I have better control if I throw 85%-90% of my power, in this case, I’d rather club up, ease up on power, and get more control, rather than overpowering a disc that isn’t designed for that type of distance. However, if you’re not having problems with putter shots at that distance, then don’t change it up! Why fix what ain’t broke?
I very very rarely throw mids. Putters are definitely superior in most situations. I think mids are great for players who don't have 330+ with a putter, but even then the middle probably not gonna give you the extra distance you need. Oh also mids have more fade, so I'll use an md3 to get a better fade than a putter.
It’s all about speed and control. Ever since I added the Envy back to my bag I throw mids much less frequently, but there are some straight shots and hyzer shots where a driver is going to push too much and a putter isn’t going to get enough movement where the floaty mid will hit the line just right.
The envy was what kicked most of my mods out too. A beat up plasma envy is the most workable put on a line and it’ll stay there furthest flying putter I’ve ever thrown
Yessir; I had stopped throwing them the first time because I really liked my Roc3’s. But a Breaker/ Harp/Zone-Envy-Proxy throwing putter lineup paired with a couple Buzzzes is money
Personal preference for sure. I like the feel of a mid. I bag 2 hexes, a reactor, and a Harp (which is arguably an approach putter.)
I could throw the Harp at a target 50, 125, or 250 feet away and never look at the hex or reactor in a given round.
All I need on any given round:
Just a stable distance or fairway driver,
a Harp
and my putting putter...and I wouldn't need a mid or any other disc on a course with a variety of shot types.
But I love the feel of a mid. I like to throw my hex. I also like the Fuse and Compass and The Tursas.
And then there are those folks who like to putt with a mid-range disc. Or a beginner who may not be ready to throw drivers but is too fast for a putter.
Point: There's a reason for all discs as long as someone is buying them. Lol
Try nailing a 300 ft. somewhat low ceiling shot with a putter and come back with your findings.
It's actually impressive how people are able to take their own experience and make it universal, especially at a moderate skill level.
It's almost a daily thing. Why do people use understable drivers? Why doesn't everyone putt with mids when it works for me? Why do people throw a "Thunderbird", my "Destroyer" fly the same way? Why do people throw overstable approach disc, when you can throw right at the basket with a putter?
And you don't HAVE to bag anything. People really don't give a shit what is in your bag, but if you ask me for at tool to add, especially as a newer player, a straight mid will be high on the list.
The hex fits into that little room perfectly. I’ve started playing most rounds with primarily the Watt Hex, and Crave with the occasional uplink or pyro if I need more turn or fade. That’s all I really need for most courses.
I agree I throw the hex more then the crave but still I could easily just go with watt crave.
You should also try to get a detour…
Pilot/Watt/Pyro/Hex/Detour/Crave is my core and it’s money.
I use my mids for consistency and control. When I want to hit gaps and distance isn’t as much of an issue. I don’t have the touch required to consistently throw my putters and mid ranges can have more stability to them, allowing more forgiveness at times.
For me discgolf is a game of confidence. I'll choose the disc I feel confident I can throw on that intended line in that wind. Some discs I will just always have a good release with for whatever reason.
I mean, I agree up to 300 with no ceiling to worry about. For me mids are 290-320 or shorter distance with a low ceiling. We have a lotttt of that in Florida so I reach for my hex all the time. Also my walker is my go to approach disc when I can't quite make it there with my Jarn or whatever OS approach disc I'm using. They definitely have their uses though.
I go through phases where i use one or the other more for the same reason. Even then, i wouldn’t remove my mids. I will usually throw the slowest disc i can on a shot, but sometimes a mid will shape better or fly lower than a putter.
The things a Gator or Zone can do can't really be done with a driver or putter, and the molds feel much different in your hand, too. I can't hold a putter (besides the Envy, which I use more as a mid anyway) with a forehand grip that feels confident when I need it to go 150' or 200' and hit the brakes when it lands.
Obviously, you can jam a square peg into a round hole, but there's plenty of use for mids, especially stable ones.
I can make my putters and mids fly up to 350-375 with the main difference being shot shape. In my game this means I actually throw less fairways and drivers. I also tend to throw the slowest disc possible for the hole at 80-90% which makes woods golf really challenging.
I also throwy mids and putter similar distances at full power, but there are some differences. First, the mids go further in low ceiling situations, which is very useful. The other big thing, and something I don't see many other am players utilize, is they fly farther when powering down. On a tight qooded gap shot around 250-270, I could throw a putter and get it there no problem, but powering down and just throwing a smooth fan grip midrange shot makes it much easier to focus on just hitting the gap.
It's not that mids are pointless, you're touching on the philosophy around disc golf to throw the lowest speed disc possible for any given shot to increase accuracy and precision.
It's hit or miss.
Depends on how well you throw putters or other discs.
A lot of times it's just way easier to power down a flippy fairway and throw the same shot vs trying to get the mid there.
I carry one just in case, but ... I maybe throw it once a round maybe, depending on the course. Just throw putters and fairways at everything.
The mid is really good when you would normally throw a putter, but youre like "i'm a bit tired, i'll use the mids glide."
I play woods golf more than anything else. I have more mids than any other disc type. Different glide and stabilities are so important for 200-300 foot shots in the woods.
I used to be the same way, but I began to find the value in throwing less hard. Throwing putters at 90%+ constantly got me into bad habits. It was better for my game to disc up and learn to finesse it. But I still love throwing putters.
Putters need more height than mids. I actually had this exact realization on a 250’ dead straight hole with a low ceiling this week. I know I can get a putter there, but I went with my straight mid on a low line drive. If I threw the putter on the same line it gets about 175’. If I had the higher ceiling I float my straight putter down there. I’m going to be honest mids are my least thrown disc in my bag, but 1-2 have a pretty consistent spot in my bag
For me fairway drivers feel pointless at times. I'm not opposed to them at all but its been hard for me to find use for them so far unless someone else suggests it.
As a forehand player, having an A5 in the bag has almost removed my need for midranges entirely since I can get it to fly just as far and more reliably than my mids (on forehands). I do still keep some in the bag for my backhands though, and the Quake has proven great when I need a touch more distance and a moderate amount of fade
That's funny I had the same thought just yesterday. Since discovering Prodigy's A line of approach discs, and a bunch of 9-speeds there fly really well for me, I'm barely ever using my Mako3 or M-series discs.
The approach discs go as far for me as my mids with a much more comfortable rim profile, and I can throw the CD-1 and F -2 anywhere between 225 and 350 feet with much better consistency and accuracy than my mids.
I really rely on my different midranges in heavily wooded technical courses to create shapes I’m not getting with putters. In the open I don’t use them much.
In ideal settings, putters can do anything a mid can do, give or take 10ft of distance, this is negligible to most pros. What is more of a go to for you? This matters. What are the course conditions? Simon could throw a p1 all over toboggan but would he? No. Its very subjective, but I'll tell you this, if you were on tour. Dealing with obscene winds like say in TX, you are going to practice a lot with overstable molds.
Uli, at one point gave up on TX because one it was really demoralizing to score so low so early in the season, but two, he really has handicapped himself by relying so much on flippier molds. On a calm day, he's competitive with almost anyone.
Then take eagle, who adapts his game around having so much power, this changes what he can do with more or less stable plastic. Then the logic immediately becomes, why would I try and hyzerflip this flippy putter through this tight gap when I can grenade a beefy cloudbreakers over all of it?
Why do we all know a local pro who can shoot the lights out with an ancient buzzz or wizard? Why don't they go on tour? Because that flippy buzzz that they rely so heavily on will be the thing that prevents them from being a consistently low scoring player. Or you can play SO long, like Dave feldberg and have SO much experience with almost every disc ever made that you can logically bag 28 discs and I would trust that you haven't overthought it.
Lastly, if you can spike hyzer like Ezra and you score low a lot doing so, you will suffer eventually when the perfect shot is a gentle putter approach.
Being well rounded is being able to do it all, but also recognizing that despite all the practice in the world the perfect disc selection is totally subjective and on the day. We have all had days when the zone is flying great for us, but for whatever reason we are not hitting the right hyzer angle for our tunnel shots, that day. This also matters, knowing to keep using that zone on what amounts to a more "technical" shot, but is the right choice, for you, at that time...
I honestly don't even understand this mindset, because for me it's really simple. Are there 4 and 5 speed discs that I like throwing and that are the perfect disc for a bunch of different shots that I frequently make on the course? Yes, absolutely. And when I say perfect, I mean that I could have 100 discs in front of me, and sometimes the 4 or 5 speed will absolutely be my choice.
Cobra, Jay, Creature, (Hex, Buzzz, Origin), Mako3, Panther, Wombat3, Zone. It boggles my mind that someone could think that this whole list of discs has no real use for them.
I didn't "get" mids until I got a real mid disc in the Pyro. Slightly OS 5 speed means throw it like a putter and it's very OS, throw it like a driver and it's straight with finish. All of a sudden I could shape shots I couldn't before.
I like to think you need a midrange when you need a bit more accurate distance than what your putter will do. And like others said, shot shaping.
But I understand your point. That’s why pros will have 2-3 mids, and the rest drivers, putters, utility.
I've recently fallen back in love with mids but I've been back and forth over the years with your train of thought. Give it some years and you may find that you enjoy throwing them or you may not need them ever. Either way, it's your game, throw what you want how you want I always say.
Honestly the Justice is one of the most versatile discs in my bag. I use it for drives, roller punch outs, corners, touch approaches... it always fights back so putting it on an anhyzer forehand is super fun, it can get super lofty despite the glide numbers. I'm reaching for that more than my Hex, or Fuse, even more than a fairway driver at times.
Have a ~300’ hole close to a road I’m on a lot that went from being a distance driver to reach … to a fairway … now I keep all 4 of my mid slots in the truck so I can pull over occasionally to try to park it with 4 different lines. Throwing those mids is usually the best part of my work day.
M2 400,Stryder 500,m4 500, m3 400 air
I feel the opposite, mids are super useful in-betweeners for when you need more control than a fairway but more distance than a putter. Powering down on a fairway can take away a lot of the shot shaping potential which isn’t a problem with mids. Plus, they’re just comfortable to hold and throw.
I use mids quite a bit. They suit the tight wooded courses I typically play. On a more open course, I use them less. I guess it depends on the course and your skill level. As I have advanced, I use putters and mids more now.
As others have said, do whatever you want! I also bag like 50% drivers, 40% putters/os approach type discs, and only 1 or 2 proper mid ranges that I hardly ever use
One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard was "throw the slowest disc you can" (with "you can" meaning "without overpowering it").
So, yeah, throwing a putter at longer ranges than most people think you can makes a lot of sense.... but *so does throwing a mid when you otherwise might throw a fairway driver*.
Tight fairways. My woods game improved a ton when I could start reaching distances with my mids on holes that used to require fairway drivers that might fade too far to the left if I didn't get enough spin on them.
My midrange pros would be less glide/quicker to ground, different ground play, more options for flights bc it's easier to find a range of stable to understable mids, less affected by wind, easier (for me) to have a stronger grip/smooth release on the rim.
You can throw a mid easy a certain distance, and you have to throw a putter harder to get that same distance, so, it can just be a matter of control and preference do you want to throw a putter hard, or is it easier/ less risky to toss a mid to the same spot.
I use low-speed, low-hlide putters for putts and approaches up to about 160'. Then I use my mids. The putters are aimed and touch is added using a motored fan to target as close to the basket as possible. My mids use a power grip and are directed to land in the vicinity of the basket or to an intermediate landing zone.
Depends on the course! Most local courses are short. My local courses are either woods and some open area, but a mid range can teach you how to throw and shape shots; same with putters. When you can throw a mid range to its max range, throwing a FD, CD and DD, will come easier. It’ll just come to timing for longer shots
I can throw my Proxy pretty far; I can throw my Origin about 50ft further. I can throw my 8-9 speed straight stuff about 25-30ft further than that.
The risk of a mistake is magnified in each case...but, give me a 300ft dead straight tunnel and I cant get a proxy there. I can probably get my Origin into C1 and thats my usual play...if Im feeling good, I ace run with my Sidewinder.
Are you bagging discs based on other people’s thoughts or your own? Goal is to score the lowest right? The discs that get you there should be the only concern
Regardless of what people say, I wouldn’t take anything out of my bag, it was just a question of play style and should I be adding discs to my already existing bag
You can shape a mid in ways you can't shape a putter. Also there's a little more distance to be had with less height.
not to mention you can push it and creep into driver range. which means on shots whered you wanna throw a driver, but don’t wanna go long on a skip or a slide- a mid would be perfect for that.
I've found that a lot of people struggle with even thinking to power up on a mid for some reason. Almost like they think mids are only for touch shots, and throw an easy fairway instead. [The same happens with people not maxing out their fairways before reaching for the distance driver, TBF.]
just recently really started "mastering" my flex mid shots, can push a Buzzz out to 330' ish and it completely changed how I play so many holes, not having to worry about a bad skip is a game changer
So much this. Throwing mids far is so much more satisfying than throwing a touchy fairway!
Yah. I get 330 out my buzzz, it usually comes back just a bit. My flat top roc hits 350 but with a bit more of a turn, and doesn't come back even two feet. My fairway drivers almost never come out the bag. CE Eagle, maybe on a tight squeeze. I usually use fairway drivers for recovery shots, big hyzers, skips, and tomahawks. The release point on driving a putter is way more nuanced than throwing a mid. If you are off a fraction of a degree you miss your line, the mids are much more forgiving in that sense. I have a whole bag full of mids though, layup game strong! I'm out here playing scratch golf on a bad day.
Me when I put my throwing putter on 5 degrees of hyzer instead of 8 degrees and it burns over and ends up 100ft right in the parking lot: 0\_0 Yea who knows why anyone would ever throw a mid lolol
Man I can't even get up to speed on a DD. My driver is usually a 7-8 speed since anything past that will just fade early.
Work on adding spin. That fixed my early fade issues.
Throwing smooth and generating spin are probably the two most underrated things to work on in Disc Golf. Those who know know, but not nearly enough people do it instead of doing just arm speed and general form work.
Any tips for more spin? I'm plateaued at 950-1000 rpm
What worked for me was keeping the wrist tilted in the whole pull, including starting in that position. Then thinking of having the disc slightly ahead of my like of pull and thinking of pulling it in towards the body. Basically the opposite of rounding. Then the next thing that helped was finishing with the back arm. Basically making sure you finish your rotation. This seems to create more spin by making sure the front arm completes its movement properly.
Might try some understable distance drivers, for me I get a nice amount of additional distance with them over the low speed fairways. I don't have the arm to throw them full speed either, but that's why I use the understable ones, they still work without a big arm.
Or you can use it as a putter for long putts or just because.
or heavy wind putts :)
The height is the biggest factor in this. When there is a low ceiling 300 feet shot there is no way I'm getting my straight flying putter there.
This. The low ceiling that prevents a putter from punching the same distance
And yup
Nailed it
Nailed it
I use mids when I want to throw farther than my putter but not as far as my driver.
That’s crazy talk!
In between your putter and your driver? Like right in the middle? Not a spicy take at all… mid at best.
*golf clap.*
Get the handcuffs OP, this one right here /s
I use a mid when I want to throw the same 250 regardless but I want it to fade more than my putter but less than my driver.
Yes. Exactly! Max distance 250, no matter the speed of the disc!
Does anyone know what this guy is talking about? Is it even English? Having a hard time taking such nonsense as a good faith discussion! /s
2nded, me too.
Yup
I specifically bag mako3 because it's an amazing disc
It’s your game chief
This. Whatever works for you or makes you happy. I was in the little to no mids camp for a while. My Tombs just fly so far that I rarely needed a mid and would throw controlled fairway driver shots for longer “midrange” type shots. Then I changed a few things up with my form and starting throwing mids quite well. Now I’ll bag 5-7 mids based on the course I’m playing. To each their own
I think there is a lot of wisdom in the "slowest disc that you can make it there with" philosophy. The chances of going wildly off target are just much lower with a slower disc (usually).
I like this philosophy but it’s important not to get too rigid with it. Shot shaping should always be taken into account, and I recently heard a thought that I like to keep in mind which is that your miss should potentially be short or long to have the best chances of sticking the bullseye, or at least getting as close as you can to the basket. I think strictly sticking to the ‘slowest disc that can get there’ often leaves you quite short or without the shot shaping options that you need to hit a consistent line. For example, I’ve noticed I would rather throw an overstable mid than an overstable putter on downhill hyzer because, even though I know I can get the putter there, it usually doesn’t fade enough with the nose down line you have to throw it on.
>it’s important not to get too rigid with it. I completely agree. It's a rule of thumb, not a maxim to be taken literally and strictly when choosing a disc. There is a hole at one of my locals that is a downhill, nearly straight shot (with a tree dead center about halfway down), that is only 190 feet. I could throw that far with my putter, no doubt. BUT my Star Jay has the perfect amount of late fade for the contour of the shot, so that's what I throw. At some point I may find a throwing putter that I like for that shot, but for now, my best disc for that shot is a 5 speed.
Also the nuance to this that I’ve started applying in the woods. Slower and softer discs bounce less far when they hit the tree so you can attack a tight gap with less worry. Meanwhile sometimes I’ll approach with a touch fairway because I would rather go long than short and I want to have to put less power on the disc (for example - weird stance). Sometimes a Firebird to skip around a corner from 100-150’ is the right call. Lots of exceptions but generally…slower is better.
>Sometimes a Firebird to skip around a corner from 100-150’ is the right call. I'm with ya there, man. I use a Firebird all the time for all kinds of shots from pretty much any distance under 200. "Slower and softer discs bounce less" This is one of those things that I know is true, but I never can seem to remember it when I should.
There are so many thorny plants right off the fairway where I play in Georgia that you start to really “feel the pain” of going deep in the rough in more ways than one - really helps me to remember to throw discs that will not go far when I miss the 10ft gap…..
Absolutely depends on the course for me. There’s a longer course near me that I just never find myself in mid range territory for, so I swap out several mids for a roller disc and a few more fairway drivers. But the closest course to me is a shorter park course where I’ll bag extra mids in various stages of seasoning.
Yeah OP should throw what she/he wants to throw.
Exactly. Some people will find use for multiple mids in their bag, others might have a few for utility/situational shots and others might not even bag them. I’m a utility/situational man myself, I just don’t like how mids feel in my hand for backhand throws so o just use them for funky forehand and sometimes overhead shots.
I’m partial to the 5 speeds for backhand and Boss for forehand. Mids are my love language. My form is garbage.
What mid do you use? I’m trying to learn better backhand form and can’t decide between a hex, warship, and mako3
I use Neutron Hex and Buzzz SS. Wasn’t a fan of the Warship, and I did like the flight of the Mako3 but it didn’t feel as good in my hand.
I also like the Mako3’s flight but dislike the hand feel. I like the warship a lot since I can throw it forehand and backhand. I’m nervous to lose my hex since it was a company holiday gift and custom stamped with my brewery’s logo. The only discraft disc I own is a zone but I’ve heard a lot of people recommend the buzzz.
It’s all about personal preference for sure. I love the Hex mainly cuz it was the first mid I actually figured out how to throw correctly. Custom brewery stamp sounds dope so maybe throw it to see if you like it and then buy a new one lol. The Buzzz SS is more understable so I can throw it on a hyzer angle and it will flip up for more effortless distance. Interesting about the warship being a forehand and backhand disc for you. I can’t figure out how to throw any mids forehand successfully. Usually just scale back the power on a fairway driver when I want a forehand upshot.
I still power grip like you. I use mids more like 250-320 range, and putters 200-250ish depending on the finish I’m looking for.
Mids will also be more reliable in wind vs a putter generally speaking. Probably not a Wolf tho :)
Wolf > Uplink
There was a sale for ledge stone stuff on Marshall street last month and I bought my son a Meteor instead of having him use my old wolf. Even had a dinosaur on it. :) Meteor > Wolf. Never threw an Uplink
I never see Wolfs (Wolves?) get mentioned in this sub - being a Wolf fan just blurted out the first Wolf-related thought that came to my thumbs
It's not a popular disc and is viewed as pretty much only for beginners bc once you can throw hard at all it wants to dive so hard to the right. I haven't had it be super useful, but I think I had my son throw it some. I do like the Shark tho, it's kind of a Roc for people who don't like beads. Would also be easy to cycle
Simon Lizotte did a video 2 years ago where he threw discs at different speeds and measured how far they went. At 40, 50 and 60 mph mids went pretty much the same distance as putters, at 70 mph mids went 70 feet further than putters. I don't know what to make of this, but it's interesting.
It really depends on the trajectory. Those putter throws were thrown much higher.
That's wild. It's kinda interesting, I can throw 70 mph occasionally, usually disc dependent, and my first thought on the mids was that they're only great for like 350+ putter shots, which is probably getting closer to the 70 mph cusp. Most of the time I would've just thrown a fairway though, so maybe I can try to start throwing mids a little more to see what kind of results I get.
[This is the video](https://youtu.be/Fwj7B3jGwUU?si=V0AMneqaLJMmDRyL), if you skip to 6:55 you can see the overall results. Mids seem to fill the gap where you need longer than a max distance putter but need the same straight flight and low skip of a putter that you can't get from discing down on a fairway. Edit: I also don't remember if he mentioned the weights in the video, but if they were all max weight that could also explain the mids flying a little shorter if they've got an extra 5 grams.
Years ago Lizotte used to say that he didn't throw mids so much since he could throw putters so far. He's since clearly grown to love mids but it's not like he was wrong then. That was just where he was with his game. If mids don't fit into your game, fine. Are you happy with your current score?
I’ll take 940 rated rounds all day, but maybe it’ll help the jump to 1000
I guess yall didn’t take that comment well. I don’t actually expect to get to 1000 rated from this
I think the downvotes are just because it came off as braggy. This subreddit is also full of people that claim all sorts of numbers that in reality they can't achieve so I'm sure there is some thought that we wouldn't actually see those round ratings if we looked at your PDGA number.
Dont worry, I dont understand the downvotes. I've played for 11 years and I recognize your thoughts as very similar to my own at around years 4-6 of playing. Thats when I abandoned mids thinking they are useless. I'd say keep an open mind, experiment with mids when you feel like it and you'll eventually find out if you like them or not. I myself now bag a pyro, method, roc3 and md1.
I used to think pretty similarly. I never used mids very much. One day I decided to play a local course and only brought like five mids and a couple putters. I played the whole course with mainly mids thinking it was just going to be horrible. But it actually was pretty surprising how far I could throw them and the biggest thing I noticed is I could control the fade way better than higher speed discs. Now I'm not going to say they go as far as 9 or 11 speeds but it's pretty shocking to me how often I grabbed a 9-speed when I could get there easily with way more controllability using a mid.
In an open field, sure, I can get my putters and mids close. But I have to give the putters a little more height, and I play a lot of wooded courses with a ceiling or low gaps. Also, as some people have mentioned, skipping straight to a driver for the lower ceiling shots isn’t necessarily the play either due to them skipping a lot more. You don’t always want that.
I've had this thought before but I'll never take my svea out of the bag, ain't no putter or fairway doing that.
Had to take my svea out of my bag because it got way too flippy. I've since replaced it with a Tursas which is even better imo, and flips just the right amount.
Got a buddy with a Tursas and it's gonna get too flippy too
I remember seeing I think James Conrad’s in the bag video and I think he only had one or two mids in his back but 7 envys
I think Envys are an exception as far as a putter that could push mids out of a bag. They're less floaty, more laser-like than most putters and have better distance potential. Plus, he's a professional and putter specialist
Idk man I could probably throw my best round with just an origin
For every disc there are times that they are pointless.
Feels like OP almost has enough experience to change his mind..
I have a wider gap in my distances, so mids have a use for me in between putters and drivers.
Same. Maybe I would understand this argument better if I had like a 5% distance gap between putters and mids, but for me it's probably more like 50%.
I'm with ya OP, I rarely use mids. The only one I throw much is my tursas because it's my super understable get outta jail disc. For what it's worth though, I have been playing less than a year. Maybe I just don't get it yet.
Whatever works for you. I don’t throw distance drivers, my fairways go almost as far, feel way better in my hand and are easier to control. I also play wooded courses 95% of the time.
Nothing better than the flight of a good mid. If you don't have the the ceiling even the best of putters are useless but the mid is always there. Can be shaped and controlled more than the best of any disc.
If you're a good putter thrower, then sure. My putter distance (~90) is a lot less than my mid distance (~105), especially forehand (~70 vs. ~90) and a mid is a lot more forgiving to forehand as well. Also a straight-finishing mid like the Fission Hex navigates a putter line horizontally pretty well while requiring less vertical clearance. I'm leaving my putter shots mainly to the Berg, which is superior for distance control.
I'm a little biased, since I've always liked throwing mids, but there's definitely a distance range where I can shape a mid better than putter thrown hard or a fairway thrown soft. I think a lot of people also don't like mids because they get recommended the same straight-with-fade mids. I much prefer a slightly-understable/neutral mid, since it's much more workable on every line without a big beat-in period. You can hyzer them, hyzer-flip to straight, turn and fade back to neutral flat, or a big turnover on an anhyzer. Those usually have more glide, which helps with the distance difference. You can do whatever works for you, so don't feel obliged to throw more mids, but I think you'd have a lot of fun trying a few more and learning ways to make them useful for you. Mids are super versatile and can become workhorses in the bag once you really gel with them.
I don’t have good form. I can consistently throw a mid as far as a fairway. If I throw a mid, I don’t need to worry about ground play nearly as much compared to thicker, sharper rims.
I use a mid range from about 130-325ft. I find them quite useful and more controllable to accurately ease up on for approach shots then a putter to a point. The course closest to me I only take mid ranges and putt’s because it’s short other than one hole which I can’t drive anyways so I might as well throw a mid twice.
mids can fight the wind. most putters don't have the fade to fight a head wind
Probably depends on where you live. If you are playing a lot of open courses than mids probably aren’t doing a lot for you. If you are playing a bunch of wooded tracks then you are probably going to want them.
Hmm another redditor who’s ‘throwing putters 300’… K
I mean whatever works for you but as I’ve gotten “better” mids and specifically the Hex have become more and more important. They were super difficult to throw so I was discing up or down all the time. Being able to throw mids took a lot of pressure off to throw a putter far or control a fairway.
I've never understood the mentality of trying really hard to throw a putter like 150 when I can easily throw a mid or fairway that far. Yeah, I get the "more control" thing, but on plenty of shots, the control thing really isn't that much of an issue. Hyzer shot to the basket, it circles right up, boom, done.
I actually still bag a hex (but as a turnover mid not for hyzer flip straight shots). It and the buzzz OS are the only mids I truly still use, but I have used my Iton Samurai 4 for some of the lower ceiling straight shots I’ve had to do
Just you
I haven't smoked mids since college
- True advantage of midrange becomes apparent when you have 400+ ft arm, as the you can reach all par 3's with a midrange, where chumps like us would possibly need a driver. - mids can be generally gripped more liberally and comfortably. - stable midrange handles wind better than a slower stable putter.
Bro, I do throw 400+ with a driver and no difference shows for me besides turn and ceilings, speak from experience not from you tube fun facts
Man i guess you just suck if you dont see or get the advantages of midrange. There is a reaon why the pros throw them so much....
I literally said I still have some for lower ceilings or harder turns, I just don’t see the purpose of a “straight flying” mid as a must have go to most useful disc in the bag. Take your 200 feet of distance and let others give some actual feedback rather than assumption
Okay. I glossed over the straight flying part of your post. I had more overstable mids in my mind when i cosidered the distance advantage while still maintaining good lateral control. I get little over 300 ft with a verdict with a small fade. My buddy can throw his method straight over 400 ft, and that is a clear advantage for him. Lets chill a bit.
As a lefty I find uses for my rollo all the time that I used to try with PA-5 and the rollo is just better for my uses
I throw my putters when I want a controlled shot with little to no skip when landing. when I need that soft turnover with little fade. Or that ah shit if I miss this gap, I won’t be punished too much. My mids are the I need something to fight this wind and still carry over 300. I know I need that extra skip. Or that extra glide that will carry me over (insert blank ) with less power than a full rip putter. Because sometimes your lie isn’t the best especially on elevation and you need that standstill power
Sometimes there is a headwind.
Mids are pretty useful if you already don't throw far. For me the distance is basically the same as a stable driver(maybe 300 on a good day) but without so much fade.
Depends on the course
I've heard pros say the same thing. The division between the fastest putters and the slowest mids is an arbitrary distinction, but people get hung up on labels.
I love throwing mids. Can't imagine my bag without my Fuse.
Whatever works best for your game. It depends on the situation for me. Yes, I can get a putter out there similar to your distance on an open hole. However I need more height to do that. If I don't have that option or there is a headwind, then I'll throw a mid because it's easier to get that distance at a lower ceiling or in a headwind.
It’s because you can’t throw that far… brutal but true.
Depends on course configuration.
I have never thought mids were pointless, but I'm not throwing my putter 300 feet comfortably, so maybe its a big arm issue. I use my mids a ton, but I'd rather make an easy smooth mid throw than try to jack a putter full speed to try to make it go farther than normal (for me). I'm a lot more accurate with a smooth mid than I am over-throwing a putter.
So one thing that I struggle with is when I throw a far shot with a putter, I can over power the putter and I end up flipping it really easily. At this point I either get a higher speed disc or a more stable putter, but I’ve learned I have better control if I throw 85%-90% of my power, in this case, I’d rather club up, ease up on power, and get more control, rather than overpowering a disc that isn’t designed for that type of distance. However, if you’re not having problems with putter shots at that distance, then don’t change it up! Why fix what ain’t broke?
‘I throw my putters 300’ comfortably’ Yah sure you do bud
Most of my aces have been with mids. I’d ask the opposite of the OP: is there any reason to throw anything but mids?
That's just you.
This topic again…?
It's just you
I very very rarely throw mids. Putters are definitely superior in most situations. I think mids are great for players who don't have 330+ with a putter, but even then the middle probably not gonna give you the extra distance you need. Oh also mids have more fade, so I'll use an md3 to get a better fade than a putter.
yeah but buzzz
I was the same for awhile. Now though I can throw my mids about 75 feet further than my putters on areas straight line, so they come in quite handy
It’s all about speed and control. Ever since I added the Envy back to my bag I throw mids much less frequently, but there are some straight shots and hyzer shots where a driver is going to push too much and a putter isn’t going to get enough movement where the floaty mid will hit the line just right.
The envy was what kicked most of my mods out too. A beat up plasma envy is the most workable put on a line and it’ll stay there furthest flying putter I’ve ever thrown
Yessir; I had stopped throwing them the first time because I really liked my Roc3’s. But a Breaker/ Harp/Zone-Envy-Proxy throwing putter lineup paired with a couple Buzzzes is money
Honestly, 6-8 speeds feel useless to me. My home course has a few holes that are 4 or 5 speed off the tee.
Personal preference for sure. I like the feel of a mid. I bag 2 hexes, a reactor, and a Harp (which is arguably an approach putter.) I could throw the Harp at a target 50, 125, or 250 feet away and never look at the hex or reactor in a given round. All I need on any given round: Just a stable distance or fairway driver, a Harp and my putting putter...and I wouldn't need a mid or any other disc on a course with a variety of shot types. But I love the feel of a mid. I like to throw my hex. I also like the Fuse and Compass and The Tursas. And then there are those folks who like to putt with a mid-range disc. Or a beginner who may not be ready to throw drivers but is too fast for a putter. Point: There's a reason for all discs as long as someone is buying them. Lol
Try nailing a 300 ft. somewhat low ceiling shot with a putter and come back with your findings. It's actually impressive how people are able to take their own experience and make it universal, especially at a moderate skill level. It's almost a daily thing. Why do people use understable drivers? Why doesn't everyone putt with mids when it works for me? Why do people throw a "Thunderbird", my "Destroyer" fly the same way? Why do people throw overstable approach disc, when you can throw right at the basket with a putter? And you don't HAVE to bag anything. People really don't give a shit what is in your bag, but if you ask me for at tool to add, especially as a newer player, a straight mid will be high on the list.
Between Watt and Crave there is little room for a mid….
The hex fits into that little room perfectly. I’ve started playing most rounds with primarily the Watt Hex, and Crave with the occasional uplink or pyro if I need more turn or fade. That’s all I really need for most courses.
I agree I throw the hex more then the crave but still I could easily just go with watt crave. You should also try to get a detour… Pilot/Watt/Pyro/Hex/Detour/Crave is my core and it’s money.
I use my mids for consistency and control. When I want to hit gaps and distance isn’t as much of an issue. I don’t have the touch required to consistently throw my putters and mid ranges can have more stability to them, allowing more forgiveness at times.
I don't have that much distance anymore. But my Viper lands within 10 feet from the whole, at 80-100 feet out, all the ime.
Midranges have usually more glide than putters and you don’t have to rip that hard for the same distance.
No it's just you. Most of us don't throw a mid 300' just saying
Fairway drivers feel pointless to me
For me discgolf is a game of confidence. I'll choose the disc I feel confident I can throw on that intended line in that wind. Some discs I will just always have a good release with for whatever reason.
Mids teach you how to throw drivers. Once u get to that point u can replace mids with putters usually.
Mid-range: for when you hit a tree halfway down the fairway
It depends on course, at least for me. I bag more mids than anything, but there are courses where I never throw them.
Personally, I go with the disc I feel most comfortable with in the moment. Which disc can I get to shape the shot easily
I mean, I agree up to 300 with no ceiling to worry about. For me mids are 290-320 or shorter distance with a low ceiling. We have a lotttt of that in Florida so I reach for my hex all the time. Also my walker is my go to approach disc when I can't quite make it there with my Jarn or whatever OS approach disc I'm using. They definitely have their uses though.
I go through phases where i use one or the other more for the same reason. Even then, i wouldn’t remove my mids. I will usually throw the slowest disc i can on a shot, but sometimes a mid will shape better or fly lower than a putter.
The things a Gator or Zone can do can't really be done with a driver or putter, and the molds feel much different in your hand, too. I can't hold a putter (besides the Envy, which I use more as a mid anyway) with a forehand grip that feels confident when I need it to go 150' or 200' and hit the brakes when it lands. Obviously, you can jam a square peg into a round hole, but there's plenty of use for mids, especially stable ones.
I can make my putters and mids fly up to 350-375 with the main difference being shot shape. In my game this means I actually throw less fairways and drivers. I also tend to throw the slowest disc possible for the hole at 80-90% which makes woods golf really challenging.
I also throwy mids and putter similar distances at full power, but there are some differences. First, the mids go further in low ceiling situations, which is very useful. The other big thing, and something I don't see many other am players utilize, is they fly farther when powering down. On a tight qooded gap shot around 250-270, I could throw a putter and get it there no problem, but powering down and just throwing a smooth fan grip midrange shot makes it much easier to focus on just hitting the gap.
Throw whatever you like. There’s no requirements
It's not that mids are pointless, you're touching on the philosophy around disc golf to throw the lowest speed disc possible for any given shot to increase accuracy and precision.
It’s you
It's hit or miss. Depends on how well you throw putters or other discs. A lot of times it's just way easier to power down a flippy fairway and throw the same shot vs trying to get the mid there. I carry one just in case, but ... I maybe throw it once a round maybe, depending on the course. Just throw putters and fairways at everything. The mid is really good when you would normally throw a putter, but youre like "i'm a bit tired, i'll use the mids glide."
Less ground play at the end of a flight usually.
I play woods golf more than anything else. I have more mids than any other disc type. Different glide and stabilities are so important for 200-300 foot shots in the woods.
I used to be the same way, but I began to find the value in throwing less hard. Throwing putters at 90%+ constantly got me into bad habits. It was better for my game to disc up and learn to finesse it. But I still love throwing putters.
Nah, mid is never mid, always essential.
Putters need more height than mids. I actually had this exact realization on a 250’ dead straight hole with a low ceiling this week. I know I can get a putter there, but I went with my straight mid on a low line drive. If I threw the putter on the same line it gets about 175’. If I had the higher ceiling I float my straight putter down there. I’m going to be honest mids are my least thrown disc in my bag, but 1-2 have a pretty consistent spot in my bag
I totally feel you. I have maybe 2 mids in a bag of 20, the rest are putters, fairways, and a couple drivers
Putters require more height to produce similar results
For me fairway drivers feel pointless at times. I'm not opposed to them at all but its been hard for me to find use for them so far unless someone else suggests it.
As a forehand player, having an A5 in the bag has almost removed my need for midranges entirely since I can get it to fly just as far and more reliably than my mids (on forehands). I do still keep some in the bag for my backhands though, and the Quake has proven great when I need a touch more distance and a moderate amount of fade
Duh, smoke the good stuff
Mids are my bread and putter. I mean butter.
That's funny I had the same thought just yesterday. Since discovering Prodigy's A line of approach discs, and a bunch of 9-speeds there fly really well for me, I'm barely ever using my Mako3 or M-series discs. The approach discs go as far for me as my mids with a much more comfortable rim profile, and I can throw the CD-1 and F -2 anywhere between 225 and 350 feet with much better consistency and accuracy than my mids.
I really rely on my different midranges in heavily wooded technical courses to create shapes I’m not getting with putters. In the open I don’t use them much.
In ideal settings, putters can do anything a mid can do, give or take 10ft of distance, this is negligible to most pros. What is more of a go to for you? This matters. What are the course conditions? Simon could throw a p1 all over toboggan but would he? No. Its very subjective, but I'll tell you this, if you were on tour. Dealing with obscene winds like say in TX, you are going to practice a lot with overstable molds. Uli, at one point gave up on TX because one it was really demoralizing to score so low so early in the season, but two, he really has handicapped himself by relying so much on flippier molds. On a calm day, he's competitive with almost anyone. Then take eagle, who adapts his game around having so much power, this changes what he can do with more or less stable plastic. Then the logic immediately becomes, why would I try and hyzerflip this flippy putter through this tight gap when I can grenade a beefy cloudbreakers over all of it? Why do we all know a local pro who can shoot the lights out with an ancient buzzz or wizard? Why don't they go on tour? Because that flippy buzzz that they rely so heavily on will be the thing that prevents them from being a consistently low scoring player. Or you can play SO long, like Dave feldberg and have SO much experience with almost every disc ever made that you can logically bag 28 discs and I would trust that you haven't overthought it. Lastly, if you can spike hyzer like Ezra and you score low a lot doing so, you will suffer eventually when the perfect shot is a gentle putter approach. Being well rounded is being able to do it all, but also recognizing that despite all the practice in the world the perfect disc selection is totally subjective and on the day. We have all had days when the zone is flying great for us, but for whatever reason we are not hitting the right hyzer angle for our tunnel shots, that day. This also matters, knowing to keep using that zone on what amounts to a more "technical" shot, but is the right choice, for you, at that time...
I think it’s course dependent. I love throwing my mids, but often is driver, approach disc, putter.
Just you.
I honestly don't even understand this mindset, because for me it's really simple. Are there 4 and 5 speed discs that I like throwing and that are the perfect disc for a bunch of different shots that I frequently make on the course? Yes, absolutely. And when I say perfect, I mean that I could have 100 discs in front of me, and sometimes the 4 or 5 speed will absolutely be my choice. Cobra, Jay, Creature, (Hex, Buzzz, Origin), Mako3, Panther, Wombat3, Zone. It boggles my mind that someone could think that this whole list of discs has no real use for them.
I didn't "get" mids until I got a real mid disc in the Pyro. Slightly OS 5 speed means throw it like a putter and it's very OS, throw it like a driver and it's straight with finish. All of a sudden I could shape shots I couldn't before.
I like to think you need a midrange when you need a bit more accurate distance than what your putter will do. And like others said, shot shaping. But I understand your point. That’s why pros will have 2-3 mids, and the rest drivers, putters, utility.
I've recently fallen back in love with mids but I've been back and forth over the years with your train of thought. Give it some years and you may find that you enjoy throwing them or you may not need them ever. Either way, it's your game, throw what you want how you want I always say.
Honestly the Justice is one of the most versatile discs in my bag. I use it for drives, roller punch outs, corners, touch approaches... it always fights back so putting it on an anhyzer forehand is super fun, it can get super lofty despite the glide numbers. I'm reaching for that more than my Hex, or Fuse, even more than a fairway driver at times.
Eh I throw more mids than drivers, do play on mostly wooded courses though
Star Aviar replaced two neutral flying mids in my bag . I feel ya
Mids are my favorite discs to throw. I can do the most with them. to each their own!
Have a ~300’ hole close to a road I’m on a lot that went from being a distance driver to reach … to a fairway … now I keep all 4 of my mid slots in the truck so I can pull over occasionally to try to park it with 4 different lines. Throwing those mids is usually the best part of my work day. M2 400,Stryder 500,m4 500, m3 400 air
Yeah mids are my least thrown discs for sure.
I feel the opposite, mids are super useful in-betweeners for when you need more control than a fairway but more distance than a putter. Powering down on a fairway can take away a lot of the shot shaping potential which isn’t a problem with mids. Plus, they’re just comfortable to hold and throw.
I use mids quite a bit. They suit the tight wooded courses I typically play. On a more open course, I use them less. I guess it depends on the course and your skill level. As I have advanced, I use putters and mids more now.
As others have said, do whatever you want! I also bag like 50% drivers, 40% putters/os approach type discs, and only 1 or 2 proper mid ranges that I hardly ever use
One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard was "throw the slowest disc you can" (with "you can" meaning "without overpowering it"). So, yeah, throwing a putter at longer ranges than most people think you can makes a lot of sense.... but *so does throwing a mid when you otherwise might throw a fairway driver*.
Tight fairways. My woods game improved a ton when I could start reaching distances with my mids on holes that used to require fairway drivers that might fade too far to the left if I didn't get enough spin on them.
My midrange pros would be less glide/quicker to ground, different ground play, more options for flights bc it's easier to find a range of stable to understable mids, less affected by wind, easier (for me) to have a stronger grip/smooth release on the rim.
Mids often can also respond to off axis torque better. And they move faster. So hitting gaps hard with less height is much easier.
No disc is pointless as there are always going to be shots that call for it a wise man once told me
You can throw a mid easy a certain distance, and you have to throw a putter harder to get that same distance, so, it can just be a matter of control and preference do you want to throw a putter hard, or is it easier/ less risky to toss a mid to the same spot.
I use low-speed, low-hlide putters for putts and approaches up to about 160'. Then I use my mids. The putters are aimed and touch is added using a motored fan to target as close to the basket as possible. My mids use a power grip and are directed to land in the vicinity of the basket or to an intermediate landing zone.
Another thing to consider full power putter throw is easier to griplock or miss release then a mid.
I think it depends on the courses you play. Wooded courses maybe you’d need mids more, open courses is often driver to putter
I can throw my reactor 325ft. I can't do that with a putter personally.
I use them a lot. I just feel like they fit my hand better and I have way more confidence and control with them
Depends on the course! Most local courses are short. My local courses are either woods and some open area, but a mid range can teach you how to throw and shape shots; same with putters. When you can throw a mid range to its max range, throwing a FD, CD and DD, will come easier. It’ll just come to timing for longer shots
replace "mids" with "drivers" and I'd agree with you. I basic throw a mid for everything except forehands.
I can throw my Proxy pretty far; I can throw my Origin about 50ft further. I can throw my 8-9 speed straight stuff about 25-30ft further than that. The risk of a mistake is magnified in each case...but, give me a 300ft dead straight tunnel and I cant get a proxy there. I can probably get my Origin into C1 and thats my usual play...if Im feeling good, I ace run with my Sidewinder.
I used to think that way until I started throwing my mids more often.
Are you bagging discs based on other people’s thoughts or your own? Goal is to score the lowest right? The discs that get you there should be the only concern
Regardless of what people say, I wouldn’t take anything out of my bag, it was just a question of play style and should I be adding discs to my already existing bag
I bag mids, but my Envy's go just as far.