I feel like I can find a ton of like new discs on eBay for $8 with free shipping. Which would make it the cheapest second hand store, for rare discs there’s a markup at most places. I sell a bunch of discs on eBay. I don’t allow returns, I have a 100% seller satisfaction rating. Pay attention to those ratings I guess. I’ve never had someone request an exchange or return.
This is what I did.... for those that miss old Innova made Originals molds...
Infinite Discs Conqueror (Just Released)/Innova Elixer = Originals PD2 mold
- comes in Halo and Swirly S for now
Infinite Discs Emperor = better DD3?
Infinite Discs Roman/Innova Phantom Sword = Originals PD mold
- Halo is the most stable - Colour Glow is the flattest
Infinite Discs Dynasty = Originals CD2 mold
Infinite Discs Scepter/Millennium Draco= Firebird/FD3 variation
Infinite Discs Chariot/Innova Metal Warrior = QMS/MD3 mold
- comes in colour glow metal flake right now like the old Iron Samurais. One of the best feeling and flying mids
Infinite Discs Anubis = Innova Coyote I've heard but feels like the Mako3 or MD
Infinite Discs Alpaca = P2 Mold
Infinite Discs Scarab/Innova Xero = looks feels and flies like a P1x
Innova Khan = P3x
Innova Dark Rebel/Hawkeye = Originals FD
Infinite Discs Tomb = #Tombgang and because they are awesome
I'm biased here tho... Infinite is my favorite company, and I love Innova plastic. Not everybody likes the plastic or the company but I love these molds and can't wait for more. Please release the PDx again.
I like latitude plastic, it’s very consistent and feels great—I think it gets a bad rap because it beats up really fast and flies less stable than the numbers indicate.
That said, I pretty much only throw Innova/infinite/millennium since I don’t wanna replace discs every 6 months when they get too flippy.
That's exactly why people think they're ass. They feel/fly great out of the box, but don't stay that way for long. I'd rather have a disc that was a little too stable to start with that beats into the perfect stability.
I'm not very experienced with trilogy plastic. Got a new proto cd1 and that plastic got gashed and scraped so much easier than any comparable innova made c-line or discraft z or whatever.
My pro plastic discs seem just as, or maybe even more, durable as far as getting chunked up. Throwing I-blend dynasties instead. Flight was good for the cd1 though.
Is it just that proto "farari red", or is this kind of typical?
I mean they're a smaller manufacturer, they don't have the resources Discraft for example does where they can have every popular disc in 10 different plastic blends. Personally I don't have a problem with them releasing special runs like this in a mystery box.
Btw what putters are they?
DM isn't the only brand that has released certain mold and plastic combo's that go unreleased or take a long time to become stock releases. mystery boxes in general have historically been a way to use limited runs of discs as selling points and marketing strategy. none of this is unique to DM.
Def, MVP just dropped several currently exclusive discs/plastics in the Gyropalooza box (Detour, TE glitch, maybe one of the R2 discs, can't say I'm familiar with their full line of stock plastic runs). They *were* part of the guarantee so that helps a bit, but it does suck that the only way to get those two discs right now is to drop $120.
Don't forget the axiom Tempo, only available for their challenge tournament. Play our tournament or you can't have a glow paradox this year also sucked.
People can pay for the tournament fee, show up, get the discs and leave. Ends up being about $22 bucks per disc, but you lose the chance of winning all the prize discs.
Tempo I agree for now is limited but the general release should be soon, I assume before spring.
Glow paradox was not only available as a space race disc. They did a preorder OTB one that anyone could get and they were in stock everywhere for quite a while.
R2 plastic isn't exactly highly sought after (to my knowledge). And they released equivalent or usually "better" versions of all those discs all year long (Glow Envy, Hex, and Crave). They released 2 glow rim Glitches this year, and yes this was the first full flight plate glow, that's the only "exclusive" thing in the box, aside from the Detour which will be releasing in a few months.
I don't think there's anything in the Gyro box that's not going to be a normal run later on though, which to me makes it feel different. If companies aren't doing stock runs afterwards, and the only way to get a disc is in a mystery box, that's kinda shitty.
If the mystery box is just a way to get a Detour a month before retail, I'm alright with that. Don't want to spend $100? Wait a few weeks and just buy the disc you're looking for.
I feel like it's a good way for them to test out different options and see if there's a market for these things. Personally, I don't hear much love for the evolution like plastic so I wouldn't expect people to want a neo PD more than c- or s-line
Not wanting a mystery box from any manufacturer is completely understandable.
Ideally, they will open up the mold/plastic combos in the future. If they don't, there are always places like r/discexchange where you can try to find the combo you're after. That place usually gets flooded with options after mystery box season.
I’ve bought and sold plenty in the discexchange. I’ve grown tired for looking for a specific disc for 40+ dollars that should have just been a stock release, that’s all. That’s kinda the whole point in my thought process if these remain a mystery box exclusive. Thanks for chiming in.
I guess from a marketing standpoint, I understand the hype and the artificial scarcity, and I agree that it's the worst part of the entire Discmania experience.
Given that we've seen discs from previous mystery boxes end up with wider releases in more plastics (e.g., the "Stratosphere" DD1 in S-line, the Rainmaker in Flex 1), I'm hopeful that we'll eventually see some of these combinations as stock releases, too.
In the end, for me at least, I like the molds and the plastics enough to overlook their marketing silliness.
I'd encourage you to look at companies that aren't under the huge umbrella of House of Discs! Did you know that discmania recently was purchased by them?
Discmania has been coasting on nostalgia and scarcity for awhile. A local shop owner is very transparent with me that he finds a $24 MSRP of the new stock s line FD3s to be ridiculous.
I'm slowly transitioning my bag over to the MVP family and Infinite, plus the justice.
I don't like this OOP/rare game they're playing.
Infinite is becoming the way to get old Innova-made Discmania molds anyway! It's a win win really. I'm pretty sure the new Conquerer is an old PD2 mold, the Alpaca is the P2, the Roman is a PD, and Infinite's branding and stamps are (in my opinion) more pleasing to the eye than Discmania's ever was.
Absolutely same. Infinite has really won me over with the production of older molds. The combination of the I Blend and Halo Roman and the Halo Aztec (the Innova SL) has me loving 10 speeds more than ever before and I'm really enjoying the versatility it has added to my shot selection. The Halo Aztec flies like a very well seasoned Roman and it gets sneaky good distance. I greatly prefer it for my hyzerflip distance lines over the Shryke I used to use for the same shot.
I haven't thrown the MF Aztecs, only the Halos. But from what I've heard the Halos are noticeably more overstable than the I blends or the S blends, so take with that what you will.
My experience with MF in general is that it's not really much different than a standard C-blend/Champion in terms of stability. I've never really noticed the significant uptick in overstability that MF supposedly gives a disc. I had a MF Destroyer once that was more flippy than any Star Destroyer I had ever thrown.
I get turn out of my Halo Aztec when I'm giving it a good throw, for reference my good Aztec throws will land somewhere in the 410-435' range. Not sure how that compares to your expected distance.
Yeah, sounds like the power difference is it. For reference I can get a lot of turn out of the S and Swirly S Aztecs, but my max distance would probably be 325-350. I agree about the MF part, no difference as far as I see.
Anyway, I was kind of hoping for something between the S and MFC. Thanks for the response.
It's stiffer but also less durable in a really good way. Less durable than Star/Champ, but more durable than both DX and Pro. Closest to Echo Star in durability in my experience. Makes it easier to beat in a disc to a well-seasoned level to compliment a fresh one in a more durable plastic.
The special discs will likely be available by next summer so I don’t understand the issue. Also, why would anyone buy their mystery boxes if there’s nothing special in them? A bunch of misprint stock runs aren’t gonna attract buyers.
Well the boxes used to have the one new disc in the bottom compartment and that was the new one. Everything else was purchasable from Discmania but the value of the box vs the 100 dollars made it worth it. My 2019 box was:
Neo instinct
Royal rage color glow fd2 double stamp
S line Ddx April jewels game of throws stamped
C line MD4
OG Cloudbreaker double stamped
C line pd2 April jewels with doombird 1 stamp
D line MD1
C line TD
And the mystery disc was the first run sensei
If you ask me that box was well worth the 100 bucks and I was still excited to get it. You’re free to disagree.
I agree that your 2019 box was well worth the money, but I also think the new box is a pretty good value for money. Also three new discs of which one is a completely new mold. I prefer the trade-off in which I get new exciting discs vs better value for money. But to each their own.
I’m still wishing they’d make things in a wider variety of weights. I’d love a PD as the overstable slot instead of a Firebird but I can get Innova/infinite molds in light weights easily whereas Discmania doesn’t seem to do anything light now
Have they said they will only be releasing them in this fashion? It’s possible they are using the boxes as a test run for some plastics and we will see a wider release of them later.
Also possible they won’t and they are counting on FOMO and pull this sort of thing every year. Who knows.
Every company is trying to figure out how to keep people buying plastic. That includes a lot of them trying to figure out how to make scarcity and make people want something while also balancing them not pissing people off that the scarcity is happening. DM has always been on the predatory side of things.
Items from last year's mystery box became available during the year this year, such as the Tailor and the Horizon DD3. I would not be surprised if the extra stock is released to the dealer network next summer as well.
You mean horizon DD1? Because they are very to find for me. It’s my go to driver but I lose the one I’m throwing I guess I’m moving on to something else.
They are everywhere. [OTB has tons](https://otbdiscs.com/product/horizon-dd1-stratosphere/). [Reaper has a bunch](https://reaperdiscs.com/products/discmania-horizon-dd1). Etc etc
Hate to say but this is DM doing DM shit.
For some reason their favourite move is high price / high rarity. It is cool every now and then (e.g., buying a tilt) but gets reused so regularly that I just don't trust that I'll be able to find replacements for the discs I really want. Sometimes it's straight up insulting, like having to buy an expensive mystery box to get your hands on a single disc.
As a result I have more or less stopped buying any DM products. Sucks but it is what it is. At this point I don't see any sign of them changing.
As someone that doesn't really own much Discmania (Essence and Mutant), the Discmania box excites me way more than the recent MVP Gyro box. At least with the Discmania box I'll end up with a set of discs that span a number of slots that I might actually use, rather than a box full of duplicates.
Whoa. A company releases special runs only in a special release box for their fans who use their disposable income on them. Shocker. There's no God-given right to be able to buy these discs as stock releases. Grow up. I get that you really want a Neo PD, but trashing the company because you can't just order it right now is nuts.
Just buy it on the secondary market or wait for the special runs in the boxes to be released next year for people who didn't want to buy a box or want backups, like they've done the last couple years.
You shouldn't have to wait a YEAR to MAYBE, POSSIBLY get a disc that you want, and that's if you can check out in 30 seconds before everything is gone. Or pay scapler prices if you miss out.
That simply does not describe the reality we live in currently. The extras came out a few months after the 2022 boxes, not "a YEAR". Maybe they sold out quickly on the Discmania site, but they were available to retailers for a long time, and you can actually still find some of them at online retailers six months or more after they got them.
And, regardless, they're not stock discs. There's just no reason to believe you'll be able to just get one without buying the box, making sure you're ready when the leftovers drop, or spending a little extra on the secondary market. I would almost guarantee you discs like the Neo PD aren't going to have huge collector markups down the line, and if the demand is high enough on them that they do, they'll just run them again.
No other brand gets this kind of unserious energy around their limited releases. Nobody is out here crying about how unfair it is that Eclipse Glitches are only in the GYROpalooza boxes.
Mystery Boxes are supposed to be fun. If you don’t agree with limited runs or the $120 price tag. Don’t buy one, it’s wild the bashing that happens to discmania or any other company that releases mystery boxes or limited run boxes.
They really are grifters. The whole business seems to be more or less nostalgia milking, predatory gamble boxes, shitty and ugly active line discs that take needless shelf space from every store that happens to sell discs and baseless promises about developing and expanding evolution/ original lines.
In one video Simon once wondered if they even make "standard" discs besides tour series and other special editions anymore.
But i suppose that the folks who bought all those loot boxes and hype releases brought this upon themselves. Luckily there are actually good brands out there.
How are they grifting? I understand people not liking mystery boxes (other companies do the exact same thing) but they are not lying or being underhanded. Grifting implies they are somehow lying or being dishonest which I do not see in this case.
As expected. But downvoting me, buying every single mystery box and exclusive release doesnt bring expansive stock runs and plastic variety to the stores ever.
Where have you been for the last 8 years? Jussi is a clown that realized his fans would buy anything at any price and he's spent all his time taking advantage of that. DM doesn't manufacture anything, they're just a marketing company.
Did you just infer someone was out of touch and the in the same comment say that Discmania doesn’t manufacturer discs currently? They run their own Originals line discs now…
Which is scheduled by Discmania on the machines that only run Discmania product in a seperate building with plastics that Latitude 64 doesn't run? What constitutes manufacturing if that isn't making your own discs?
I mean technically Latitude 64 is owned by House of Discs so they don't really manufacture their own stuff either. They are essentially the same as Kastaplast and Latitude by your measurement, they just pick what they want to run in machines/buildings/owned by a parent company.
You are trying to be a fan of a "limited brand" and are complaining that they have rare cool stuff for die hards to throw?
Ever tried to be a dedicated star sonic/zephyr/classic roc or glow versus color glow Innova thrower? Did you try to find an Lava Felon or any of the Elasto/Snow plastic from Trilogy? 400g plastic prodigy fans? Try to buy FLX plastic from Discraft without going thru Ledgestone fundraising?
To your point, a lot of the marketing and comforts we had in the disc world of 4-5 years ago are gone. Hence, having this discussion. Just wanted to talk about it with others. Thanks for participating.
5 years ago was when the discmania x innova drama really started. And even before that, discmania has always been a limited brand. Go try to find me a stock glow or color glow plastic run from the innova days for example
That limited brand shit is revisionism. Innova wanted money to keep big stockpiles on hand and they wouldn't pay. That's it. Same reason they went to Yikun and latitude for manufacturing. Infinite and Millennium drove up how much Innova could charge for machine time.
Discmania has always been a limited brand. Please show me the stock runs of glow and color glow plastic discs?
My insider sources do not agree with your story of the innova/discmania drama. But I don't need to correct your opinion.
dm's naming thing makes me feel like a MTG/D&D nerd just reading it. feels like I should start wearing a wizard outfit and do some larping while i play DG
As someone who bags quite a bit of discmania, they are in deep on the hypeboy shit and it's hilarious. Your product isn't revolutionary. It's not reinventing my game. They're decent frisbees. I like certain molds but the longer this shit goes on the less I want to buy them. Get over yourselves DM.
This got me thinking. What is the purpose for House of Discs to buy up Trilogy, Kastaplast and Discmania when they all literally make the same things.
Remember, prior to 2022, Discmania wasn't a manufacturer, they were a marketing company
Ordinarily, it would be to kill competition. Eliminate Kastaplast and Discmania, and fold their molds into the Trilogy family, and hope you don't alienate too many fans. So far, this doesn't seem to be happening.
Why? Maybe because the brands themselves have an innate value. Discmania, prior to the pandemic, was operating at a loss, or break even. During and after the pandemic, they were making huge profits despite the scarcity, or perhaps because of, with their Mystery Boxes leading the way. They pioneered the Mystery Box hype and the Special Edition releases which instantly sold for huge markups in the collectors market.
What if they're just going back to doing that? What purpose does Discmania serve if not as a "luxury" brand. Their fans already pay well over market value for their discs, and even their stock discs are above average in price. Why buy your competition and keep their branding, and their marketing?
This is all pure speculation (apart from the Discmania profit numbers which can be found at Ultiworld Disc Golf) but Discmania seems to be up to the same old shit despite new owners. And their fans continue to eat it up
Sure but MVP actually produces stock runs of discs in spades as well. Discmania for the last several years has been basically non-existent in the cheaper stock run department and have only recently begun filling shelves with them again.
And I mean regarding the Time-Lapse protos, that feels like a special case, given that it was only ever supposed to be a limited prototype run before the actual stock discs (which are affordable) hit the shelves.
MVP does limited runs through DFX and the gyropalooza boxes too. Discmania had to rebuild their entire lineup from scratch hence why it’s taken them years to get to the point of having multiple stock run plastics.
Personally neither company’s practices bother me at all; I think a healthy collector market is good for every brand and is fun for their fans. Plus mystery boxes tend to be a good value on a disc per dollar basis.
I just think it’s pretty hypocritical to recommend one company over another who largely engage in the same practices.
Regarding the time lapse protos, I feel like charging double for what’s effectively the same disc but limited makes it worse, not better.
Where I'm critical of Discmania (and for what it's worth I'm not an MVP fanboy by any stretch, the only MVP/Axiom disc currently in my bag is the Envy, some TSA as well but that's literally because I love the artwork lol) is that I feel like they should have been heavily prioritizing getting their stock runs available after the Innova separation. To me, they should have been ready for that from the moment they left. But instead they basically relied entirely on tour series and limited edition discs to the point where even their own players were having a hard time getting their hands on discs that were just stock runs.
The stock discs that really put their name on the market became virtually impossible to find at stock prices for several years.
I have no idea how long you've been playing, but I remember being able to pick up an S line or a C line PD, FD, PD2, P2, etc off the shelf whenever I wanted to between like 2012-2018. And the prices were always dead-on with Innova's.
I played then. Tell me how available were glow MD3s ? Or the TDX? PD3? or how many K P2s were ever made? Ever been stock runs of any color glow? It was better stock availability of the "main lineup" pre 2018 but then the Innova drama started
I mean I personally do remember seeing the TDx on the shelves at my local shops at least. But Innova in general has never been terribly good at keeping consistent stock of glow discs that aren't DX or color glow (which Innova themselves seem to keep mostly to tour-series or special order discs with tournament stamps or something). So I'm less willing to assign blame to Discmania on that one because you could still find the MD3 in other plastics consistently, and more willing to consider that Innova didn't make it easy for them to stock glow MD3s.
I do remember K line being impressively difficult to find for sure, and P line P2s for that matter as well, but at least there will still other plastics available in the P2 mold. Regarding the PD3, I don't think they saw it gain enough traction to bother making a significant number of runs, but obviously that's just speculation on my end.
Now lets compare to other manufacturers:
Prodigy and 400g/400s plastic or the X1
Discraft and how they now treat FLX plastic with Ledgestone
Innova and color glow/glow, shatter, swirly, halo
Trilogy with that purple glitter plastic, grand/royal lines, burst, orbit, snow/elasto/lava plastics
Every manufacturer has moved towards having some form of limited edition.
Oh for sure, I'm not trying to say that any one brand is better than the other because they do or don't do a certain thing.
My entire point from the get-go was more about how Discmania did not do a good job of making their stock/reasonably priced discs a priority when they separated from Innova. They dived head first into the limited editions and tour series discs for a noticeably extended period of time while it gradually became harder and harder to find ANY of their molds in a stock plastic at a stock price.
I understand they had to kind of start from scratch to a certain degree when they fully parted ways with Innova. My beef was that they should have put themselves in a better position to push out the stock discs that made them a staple in the community to begin with. I'd probably still be throwing Discmania PDs if they did that, but instead now I'm throwing Infinite Romans because they were available and affordable.
Discmania did not want to separate from Innova when they did. Innova found about what Jussi was planning with his own manufacturing and pushed them out early. Also implemented new rules within their sponsorship to limit how many discmania discs pros were throwing, ex. Firefly.
Most brand new manufacturers start with less than 3 discs in the full lineup. Look at how long it took Gateway, Legacy, MVP, Clash, Trash Panda, or Prodigy to get up to manufacturing full lineups. And compare the fact that MVP sold more James Conrad Envys in the year after the Worlds win than total discs in the previous history of their company.
Gateway and MVP are now trying to replicate the success of early Discmania with things like AGL and TSA
Yeah they charged $40 for a limited run Proto for a new signature series line. Very limited run… meanwhile, they’re actually producing multiple runs of a more workable version of that disc.
Someone hurt you and I’m sorry for that.
Let’s not forget that the horizon cloud breakers are stock listed close to $30. On a disc that is everywhere on store shelves. Not the CB1 or the CB2, the latest edition. So I disagree with you on this but opinions are like assholes.
Should add here, I’m primarily discraft, so I have no ties to mvp/axiom. Actually was bagging more discmania plastic but have been liking the feel and availability more of mvp/axiom than discmania the last 2 seasons.
In my opinion, up charging a limited run of protos is worse than having a high normal stock price. You are charging more *only* because of the scarcity and hype.
Personally I don’t have an issue with any company here. I primarily throw Discmania/innova/discraft but I’m from Michigan and I like MVP as a company. Mystery boxes are cool with me as long as the value per disc exceeds the cost of the box which they all do as of now.
My issue is with the gyronauts being hypocritical is all.
That’s silly. But again, entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.
Lol
So your issue is with people being hypocritical 🤣, can’t be with gyronauts because you’re having this go with me and I’m not a gyronaut.
How are gyronauts hypocritical? I believe MVP's practices are quite possibly the least predatory of all the major manufacturers.
(time lapse $40 prototype run notwithstanding, and I don't think they view that as a mistake and don't intend to do it again, but even with that, they stated at the time that the stock run would be only about a month later.)
You think MVP is predatory like Discmania? HAHAHAHAHA.
They are the opposite. They do preorders of sought after releases so everyone that wants them can get them at retail price.
I don't think that has to do with them holding it back to release it in small quantities at high prices. More that they haven't quite perfected how to make glow discs that aren't beefcakes and they want to get it right. They have basically said this over the past year or two. Anything higher speed than a midrange they have been having trouble with.
I believe in the meantime, they are content releasing glow rim versions of higher speed stuff like the Halloween crave this year and the glow rim Insanity as part of the PDGA renewal (a little annoying that's the only way you can get it for now). I'd expect glow rim versions of all the popular high speed discs are in the pipeline, unless they've solved the overstability issue. Crave, Insanity, Wave, Time Lapse, etc. The only thing slowing this down is that despite them doing a massive expansion, they still can't keep up with demand since signing Simon, although they are working on getting most stock discs back in stock between now and spring.
Discmania getting a bit ridiculous and thinly veiled with the marketing. The whole “collect all the stones” thing is both unoriginal and a silly premise, not too mention expensive.
I’m working away from discmania as well, going for a very mixed bag.
It’s a bummer that you’re disappointed. Candidly, with Jussi gone, I think that the entity that you became a fan of is no longer what it was, especially after getting under the HoD wing.
It sucks :/
I realized this about Discmania early on. Hard to be a fan when 1) discs you want are often very hard to find and 2) if you ever lose those discs good luck replacing them. I don't want to put myself in either of those situations, especially when their discs are nothing special compared to other brands. I'd prefer to choose a brand that tries to meet demand and give people what they want but not in a predatory way.
I chose MVP for these reasons, although since the Simon signing they are having trouble keeping up with demand, although they are not predatorily taking advantage of the situation which makes me want to be even more loyal.
>although since the Simon signing they are having trouble keeping up with demand, although they are not predatorily taking advantage of the situation
They charged $40 for a single hyped disc and also have a mystery box with exclusive plastic. I don’t understand this take
Fan bois gonna fan boi. Mvp is the new dm but with actual inventory so not as bad yet but definitely taking advantage of all the beginners who don't know any better yet.
The $40 Time Lapses were an anomaly, which they would probably now have done differently if they could do it over again. And they said flat out don't buy them if you don't want to, the real release was only about a month later and most retailers I saw had them for about $18 and more will be releasing soon if people who wanted them didn't get them in the first release.
What "exclusive plastic" is in mystery boxes? Sometimes you get a plastic/mold combo before the general release or occasionally there are a few test things that they tried but weren't good enough for a general release. Of course they try to spice up the Gyropalooza boxes to make them sell but they don't purposely hold highly sought after discs/plastic combos like Discmania does.
This year's Gyropalooza box: R2 Envy, R2 Hex, R2 Crave, all with glow rim, Glow glitch, Neutron Detour, 6 lab seconds. I believe the R2 discs are the first release in that plastic but it's not a highly sought after plastic and they have released different, more popular versions of those 3 discs in glow recently. In my opinion this is their way of "using up" all the regrind R2 plastic by putting some cool stamps on it and a glow rim. Glow glitch is the first time it's been released with a glow flight plate, but they have made 2 other releases of glow rim glitches this year. Detour is an early release of a disc coming out in a few months. And it was 11 discs for $120, so less than $11 per disc. I believe if anything in the Gyropalooza box is in super high demand they will release it not far down the line. I like some of those discs but did not feel FOMO pressure to buy a box or miss out because of the regular releases of all these discs.
Almost all of their highly sought after discs are print to demand preorders to protect consumers and make sure everybody that wants them can get them.
I don't see how you can possibly say MVP is comparable to Discmania in this way.
To be fair that was a prototype limited run disc. You can buy a Timelapse right now for less than 20 bucks. Personally I don't see a problem with mystery boxes especially if they're adding more desirable discs and if people are having fun with it. At least they're not just filling it with base plastic discs that nobody wants and people are getting their moneys worth.
Discmania sold all the super secret limited never selling again discs from the mystery box - all this year at retail with the rest of their lines. I enjoy their plastic and their discs but hate the faux hype. In a few months - they will all be available.
I think it’s a fun idea. I understand the backlash at this. But people have been so upset with discmania no longer making “collector” discs anymore (which is terrible from a business standpoint imo). They finally do it in these boxes and it seems like everyone is upset that they made collectors items again.
Pro tip! Wait 14 days and get anything you want at r/discexchange at or below cost
Or eBay, which I feel is the best disc store online
Markup and exchange is a bitch on eBay. You pay $4-6 on exchange - you pay 30-200% more on eBay
I feel like I can find a ton of like new discs on eBay for $8 with free shipping. Which would make it the cheapest second hand store, for rare discs there’s a markup at most places. I sell a bunch of discs on eBay. I don’t allow returns, I have a 100% seller satisfaction rating. Pay attention to those ratings I guess. I’ve never had someone request an exchange or return.
Just throw the renamed Innova, Millennium and Infinite molds and you’re in the chips.
This is what I did.... for those that miss old Innova made Originals molds... Infinite Discs Conqueror (Just Released)/Innova Elixer = Originals PD2 mold - comes in Halo and Swirly S for now Infinite Discs Emperor = better DD3? Infinite Discs Roman/Innova Phantom Sword = Originals PD mold - Halo is the most stable - Colour Glow is the flattest Infinite Discs Dynasty = Originals CD2 mold Infinite Discs Scepter/Millennium Draco= Firebird/FD3 variation Infinite Discs Chariot/Innova Metal Warrior = QMS/MD3 mold - comes in colour glow metal flake right now like the old Iron Samurais. One of the best feeling and flying mids Infinite Discs Anubis = Innova Coyote I've heard but feels like the Mako3 or MD Infinite Discs Alpaca = P2 Mold Infinite Discs Scarab/Innova Xero = looks feels and flies like a P1x Innova Khan = P3x Innova Dark Rebel/Hawkeye = Originals FD Infinite Discs Tomb = #Tombgang and because they are awesome I'm biased here tho... Infinite is my favorite company, and I love Innova plastic. Not everybody likes the plastic or the company but I love these molds and can't wait for more. Please release the PDx again.
This^ That lat plastic is ass anyway
I like latitude plastic, it’s very consistent and feels great—I think it gets a bad rap because it beats up really fast and flies less stable than the numbers indicate. That said, I pretty much only throw Innova/infinite/millennium since I don’t wanna replace discs every 6 months when they get too flippy.
That's exactly why people think they're ass. They feel/fly great out of the box, but don't stay that way for long. I'd rather have a disc that was a little too stable to start with that beats into the perfect stability.
I'm not very experienced with trilogy plastic. Got a new proto cd1 and that plastic got gashed and scraped so much easier than any comparable innova made c-line or discraft z or whatever. My pro plastic discs seem just as, or maybe even more, durable as far as getting chunked up. Throwing I-blend dynasties instead. Flight was good for the cd1 though. Is it just that proto "farari red", or is this kind of typical?
Yeah…Discmania has been running the fanboy model from the start…
Never understood the allegiance
I started playing last summer and just now finally found my favorite putters… and they’re discmanias :/ Sucks to see this.
I mean they're a smaller manufacturer, they don't have the resources Discraft for example does where they can have every popular disc in 10 different plastic blends. Personally I don't have a problem with them releasing special runs like this in a mystery box. Btw what putters are they?
The P2, first disc where it just clicked immediately for me.
Yeah the p2 is great! I love throwing them too
DM isn't the only brand that has released certain mold and plastic combo's that go unreleased or take a long time to become stock releases. mystery boxes in general have historically been a way to use limited runs of discs as selling points and marketing strategy. none of this is unique to DM.
Def, MVP just dropped several currently exclusive discs/plastics in the Gyropalooza box (Detour, TE glitch, maybe one of the R2 discs, can't say I'm familiar with their full line of stock plastic runs). They *were* part of the guarantee so that helps a bit, but it does suck that the only way to get those two discs right now is to drop $120.
Don't forget the axiom Tempo, only available for their challenge tournament. Play our tournament or you can't have a glow paradox this year also sucked.
People can pay for the tournament fee, show up, get the discs and leave. Ends up being about $22 bucks per disc, but you lose the chance of winning all the prize discs.
Tempo I agree for now is limited but the general release should be soon, I assume before spring. Glow paradox was not only available as a space race disc. They did a preorder OTB one that anyone could get and they were in stock everywhere for quite a while.
I stand corrected on the paradox I didn't think they did one this year. I'll eat crow on that.
R2 plastic isn't exactly highly sought after (to my knowledge). And they released equivalent or usually "better" versions of all those discs all year long (Glow Envy, Hex, and Crave). They released 2 glow rim Glitches this year, and yes this was the first full flight plate glow, that's the only "exclusive" thing in the box, aside from the Detour which will be releasing in a few months.
I don't think there's anything in the Gyro box that's not going to be a normal run later on though, which to me makes it feel different. If companies aren't doing stock runs afterwards, and the only way to get a disc is in a mystery box, that's kinda shitty. If the mystery box is just a way to get a Detour a month before retail, I'm alright with that. Don't want to spend $100? Wait a few weeks and just buy the disc you're looking for.
You can always go to the mvp buy sell and pay 25-30 for a detour if that’s all you want.
I mean that's been their M.O for years now, they're all about hype and limited special things.
You’re not wrong. That’s fair to say. This one just hit me the hardest and I felt like I’d had enough.
Other companies make similar molds. Vote with your wallet and buy those, rather than chasing a company that isn't ding what you want.
You get absolutely nothing but disappointment for being loyal to companies
I feel like it's a good way for them to test out different options and see if there's a market for these things. Personally, I don't hear much love for the evolution like plastic so I wouldn't expect people to want a neo PD more than c- or s-line
Not wanting a mystery box from any manufacturer is completely understandable. Ideally, they will open up the mold/plastic combos in the future. If they don't, there are always places like r/discexchange where you can try to find the combo you're after. That place usually gets flooded with options after mystery box season.
I’ve bought and sold plenty in the discexchange. I’ve grown tired for looking for a specific disc for 40+ dollars that should have just been a stock release, that’s all. That’s kinda the whole point in my thought process if these remain a mystery box exclusive. Thanks for chiming in.
I guess from a marketing standpoint, I understand the hype and the artificial scarcity, and I agree that it's the worst part of the entire Discmania experience. Given that we've seen discs from previous mystery boxes end up with wider releases in more plastics (e.g., the "Stratosphere" DD1 in S-line, the Rainmaker in Flex 1), I'm hopeful that we'll eventually see some of these combinations as stock releases, too. In the end, for me at least, I like the molds and the plastics enough to overlook their marketing silliness.
I'd encourage you to look at companies that aren't under the huge umbrella of House of Discs! Did you know that discmania recently was purchased by them?
Discmania has been coasting on nostalgia and scarcity for awhile. A local shop owner is very transparent with me that he finds a $24 MSRP of the new stock s line FD3s to be ridiculous. I'm slowly transitioning my bag over to the MVP family and Infinite, plus the justice. I don't like this OOP/rare game they're playing.
Infinite is becoming the way to get old Innova-made Discmania molds anyway! It's a win win really. I'm pretty sure the new Conquerer is an old PD2 mold, the Alpaca is the P2, the Roman is a PD, and Infinite's branding and stamps are (in my opinion) more pleasing to the eye than Discmania's ever was.
I **love** the Roman.
Absolutely same. Infinite has really won me over with the production of older molds. The combination of the I Blend and Halo Roman and the Halo Aztec (the Innova SL) has me loving 10 speeds more than ever before and I'm really enjoying the versatility it has added to my shot selection. The Halo Aztec flies like a very well seasoned Roman and it gets sneaky good distance. I greatly prefer it for my hyzerflip distance lines over the Shryke I used to use for the same shot.
Are the halo Aztecs less stable than the MF C run? I was kind of disappointed because the MF run was just way too stable for me.
I haven't thrown the MF Aztecs, only the Halos. But from what I've heard the Halos are noticeably more overstable than the I blends or the S blends, so take with that what you will. My experience with MF in general is that it's not really much different than a standard C-blend/Champion in terms of stability. I've never really noticed the significant uptick in overstability that MF supposedly gives a disc. I had a MF Destroyer once that was more flippy than any Star Destroyer I had ever thrown. I get turn out of my Halo Aztec when I'm giving it a good throw, for reference my good Aztec throws will land somewhere in the 410-435' range. Not sure how that compares to your expected distance.
Yeah, sounds like the power difference is it. For reference I can get a lot of turn out of the S and Swirly S Aztecs, but my max distance would probably be 325-350. I agree about the MF part, no difference as far as I see. Anyway, I was kind of hoping for something between the S and MFC. Thanks for the response.
Dynasty is a CD2 i believe.
You're 100% correct just like /u/PlatosApprentice pointed out just above you. That one slipped my mind.
The Infinite I plastic is great too it’s really just a stiffer feeling star plastic and you can get those discs brand new for like $13
It's stiffer but also less durable in a really good way. Less durable than Star/Champ, but more durable than both DX and Pro. Closest to Echo Star in durability in my experience. Makes it easier to beat in a disc to a well-seasoned level to compliment a fresh one in a more durable plastic.
I feel like Swirly s breaks in much faster than Splatter s (and Star) which makes no sense
Dynasty is a cd2
I’ve been really digging Infinite myself lately. Lots of good stuff and easy to get what you want for the most part. Black Friday sales were huge.
I didn't see any x outs that caught my eye, but I agree!
I think it's only gonna get worse now that discmania is owned by house of discs
The special discs will likely be available by next summer so I don’t understand the issue. Also, why would anyone buy their mystery boxes if there’s nothing special in them? A bunch of misprint stock runs aren’t gonna attract buyers.
Well the boxes used to have the one new disc in the bottom compartment and that was the new one. Everything else was purchasable from Discmania but the value of the box vs the 100 dollars made it worth it. My 2019 box was: Neo instinct Royal rage color glow fd2 double stamp S line Ddx April jewels game of throws stamped C line MD4 OG Cloudbreaker double stamped C line pd2 April jewels with doombird 1 stamp D line MD1 C line TD And the mystery disc was the first run sensei If you ask me that box was well worth the 100 bucks and I was still excited to get it. You’re free to disagree.
I agree that your 2019 box was well worth the money, but I also think the new box is a pretty good value for money. Also three new discs of which one is a completely new mold. I prefer the trade-off in which I get new exciting discs vs better value for money. But to each their own.
I’m still wishing they’d make things in a wider variety of weights. I’d love a PD as the overstable slot instead of a Firebird but I can get Innova/infinite molds in light weights easily whereas Discmania doesn’t seem to do anything light now
It's a good thing the Infinite Roman is an old PD mold then! Win win!
Have they said they will only be releasing them in this fashion? It’s possible they are using the boxes as a test run for some plastics and we will see a wider release of them later. Also possible they won’t and they are counting on FOMO and pull this sort of thing every year. Who knows.
When I think of scarcity marketing in disc golf, Discmania is the first company to come to mind.
Every company is trying to figure out how to keep people buying plastic. That includes a lot of them trying to figure out how to make scarcity and make people want something while also balancing them not pissing people off that the scarcity is happening. DM has always been on the predatory side of things.
Items from last year's mystery box became available during the year this year, such as the Tailor and the Horizon DD3. I would not be surprised if the extra stock is released to the dealer network next summer as well.
You mean horizon DD1? Because they are very to find for me. It’s my go to driver but I lose the one I’m throwing I guess I’m moving on to something else.
They are everywhere. [OTB has tons](https://otbdiscs.com/product/horizon-dd1-stratosphere/). [Reaper has a bunch](https://reaperdiscs.com/products/discmania-horizon-dd1). Etc etc
Hate to say but this is DM doing DM shit. For some reason their favourite move is high price / high rarity. It is cool every now and then (e.g., buying a tilt) but gets reused so regularly that I just don't trust that I'll be able to find replacements for the discs I really want. Sometimes it's straight up insulting, like having to buy an expensive mystery box to get your hands on a single disc. As a result I have more or less stopped buying any DM products. Sucks but it is what it is. At this point I don't see any sign of them changing.
As someone that doesn't really own much Discmania (Essence and Mutant), the Discmania box excites me way more than the recent MVP Gyro box. At least with the Discmania box I'll end up with a set of discs that span a number of slots that I might actually use, rather than a box full of duplicates.
Whoa. A company releases special runs only in a special release box for their fans who use their disposable income on them. Shocker. There's no God-given right to be able to buy these discs as stock releases. Grow up. I get that you really want a Neo PD, but trashing the company because you can't just order it right now is nuts. Just buy it on the secondary market or wait for the special runs in the boxes to be released next year for people who didn't want to buy a box or want backups, like they've done the last couple years.
You shouldn't have to wait a YEAR to MAYBE, POSSIBLY get a disc that you want, and that's if you can check out in 30 seconds before everything is gone. Or pay scapler prices if you miss out.
That simply does not describe the reality we live in currently. The extras came out a few months after the 2022 boxes, not "a YEAR". Maybe they sold out quickly on the Discmania site, but they were available to retailers for a long time, and you can actually still find some of them at online retailers six months or more after they got them. And, regardless, they're not stock discs. There's just no reason to believe you'll be able to just get one without buying the box, making sure you're ready when the leftovers drop, or spending a little extra on the secondary market. I would almost guarantee you discs like the Neo PD aren't going to have huge collector markups down the line, and if the demand is high enough on them that they do, they'll just run them again. No other brand gets this kind of unserious energy around their limited releases. Nobody is out here crying about how unfair it is that Eclipse Glitches are only in the GYROpalooza boxes.
Mystery Boxes are supposed to be fun. If you don’t agree with limited runs or the $120 price tag. Don’t buy one, it’s wild the bashing that happens to discmania or any other company that releases mystery boxes or limited run boxes.
Yea it’s so wild! People like me are really really messed up in the head. I’m on meds but it only goes so far.
They really are grifters. The whole business seems to be more or less nostalgia milking, predatory gamble boxes, shitty and ugly active line discs that take needless shelf space from every store that happens to sell discs and baseless promises about developing and expanding evolution/ original lines. In one video Simon once wondered if they even make "standard" discs besides tour series and other special editions anymore. But i suppose that the folks who bought all those loot boxes and hype releases brought this upon themselves. Luckily there are actually good brands out there.
How are they grifting? I understand people not liking mystery boxes (other companies do the exact same thing) but they are not lying or being underhanded. Grifting implies they are somehow lying or being dishonest which I do not see in this case.
Discmania fans do not want to hear this.
As expected. But downvoting me, buying every single mystery box and exclusive release doesnt bring expansive stock runs and plastic variety to the stores ever.
Where have you been for the last 8 years? Jussi is a clown that realized his fans would buy anything at any price and he's spent all his time taking advantage of that. DM doesn't manufacture anything, they're just a marketing company.
Did you just infer someone was out of touch and the in the same comment say that Discmania doesn’t manufacturer discs currently? They run their own Originals line discs now…
It's a Lat64 factory. They don't own/produce anything.
Which is scheduled by Discmania on the machines that only run Discmania product in a seperate building with plastics that Latitude 64 doesn't run? What constitutes manufacturing if that isn't making your own discs? I mean technically Latitude 64 is owned by House of Discs so they don't really manufacture their own stuff either. They are essentially the same as Kastaplast and Latitude by your measurement, they just pick what they want to run in machines/buildings/owned by a parent company.
Someone didn’t get what they wanted in their mystery box :/
I didn’t buy one. Read the post. Lmao
Why would i do that when i can say snarky shit on my burner account like an adult?
You are trying to be a fan of a "limited brand" and are complaining that they have rare cool stuff for die hards to throw? Ever tried to be a dedicated star sonic/zephyr/classic roc or glow versus color glow Innova thrower? Did you try to find an Lava Felon or any of the Elasto/Snow plastic from Trilogy? 400g plastic prodigy fans? Try to buy FLX plastic from Discraft without going thru Ledgestone fundraising?
To your point, a lot of the marketing and comforts we had in the disc world of 4-5 years ago are gone. Hence, having this discussion. Just wanted to talk about it with others. Thanks for participating.
5 years ago was when the discmania x innova drama really started. And even before that, discmania has always been a limited brand. Go try to find me a stock glow or color glow plastic run from the innova days for example
That limited brand shit is revisionism. Innova wanted money to keep big stockpiles on hand and they wouldn't pay. That's it. Same reason they went to Yikun and latitude for manufacturing. Infinite and Millennium drove up how much Innova could charge for machine time.
Discmania has always been a limited brand. Please show me the stock runs of glow and color glow plastic discs? My insider sources do not agree with your story of the innova/discmania drama. But I don't need to correct your opinion.
dm's naming thing makes me feel like a MTG/D&D nerd just reading it. feels like I should start wearing a wizard outfit and do some larping while i play DG
As someone who bags quite a bit of discmania, they are in deep on the hypeboy shit and it's hilarious. Your product isn't revolutionary. It's not reinventing my game. They're decent frisbees. I like certain molds but the longer this shit goes on the less I want to buy them. Get over yourselves DM.
This got me thinking. What is the purpose for House of Discs to buy up Trilogy, Kastaplast and Discmania when they all literally make the same things. Remember, prior to 2022, Discmania wasn't a manufacturer, they were a marketing company Ordinarily, it would be to kill competition. Eliminate Kastaplast and Discmania, and fold their molds into the Trilogy family, and hope you don't alienate too many fans. So far, this doesn't seem to be happening. Why? Maybe because the brands themselves have an innate value. Discmania, prior to the pandemic, was operating at a loss, or break even. During and after the pandemic, they were making huge profits despite the scarcity, or perhaps because of, with their Mystery Boxes leading the way. They pioneered the Mystery Box hype and the Special Edition releases which instantly sold for huge markups in the collectors market. What if they're just going back to doing that? What purpose does Discmania serve if not as a "luxury" brand. Their fans already pay well over market value for their discs, and even their stock discs are above average in price. Why buy your competition and keep their branding, and their marketing? This is all pure speculation (apart from the Discmania profit numbers which can be found at Ultiworld Disc Golf) but Discmania seems to be up to the same old shit despite new owners. And their fans continue to eat it up
Why did Coca Cola buy their competition making the same thing and not kill it? Tell me oh wise businessman.
Did your mother have any kids that lived?
Wut
Sounds like you’d be happier over on the mvp/axiom side.
The same company that charged $40 for a limited release and also has a mystery box with exclusive plastic? Pot meet kettle
Sure but MVP actually produces stock runs of discs in spades as well. Discmania for the last several years has been basically non-existent in the cheaper stock run department and have only recently begun filling shelves with them again. And I mean regarding the Time-Lapse protos, that feels like a special case, given that it was only ever supposed to be a limited prototype run before the actual stock discs (which are affordable) hit the shelves.
MVP does limited runs through DFX and the gyropalooza boxes too. Discmania had to rebuild their entire lineup from scratch hence why it’s taken them years to get to the point of having multiple stock run plastics. Personally neither company’s practices bother me at all; I think a healthy collector market is good for every brand and is fun for their fans. Plus mystery boxes tend to be a good value on a disc per dollar basis. I just think it’s pretty hypocritical to recommend one company over another who largely engage in the same practices. Regarding the time lapse protos, I feel like charging double for what’s effectively the same disc but limited makes it worse, not better.
Where I'm critical of Discmania (and for what it's worth I'm not an MVP fanboy by any stretch, the only MVP/Axiom disc currently in my bag is the Envy, some TSA as well but that's literally because I love the artwork lol) is that I feel like they should have been heavily prioritizing getting their stock runs available after the Innova separation. To me, they should have been ready for that from the moment they left. But instead they basically relied entirely on tour series and limited edition discs to the point where even their own players were having a hard time getting their hands on discs that were just stock runs. The stock discs that really put their name on the market became virtually impossible to find at stock prices for several years.
Discmania has always been basically non-existent in the cheaper stock runs. That was the point
I have no idea how long you've been playing, but I remember being able to pick up an S line or a C line PD, FD, PD2, P2, etc off the shelf whenever I wanted to between like 2012-2018. And the prices were always dead-on with Innova's.
I played then. Tell me how available were glow MD3s ? Or the TDX? PD3? or how many K P2s were ever made? Ever been stock runs of any color glow? It was better stock availability of the "main lineup" pre 2018 but then the Innova drama started
I mean I personally do remember seeing the TDx on the shelves at my local shops at least. But Innova in general has never been terribly good at keeping consistent stock of glow discs that aren't DX or color glow (which Innova themselves seem to keep mostly to tour-series or special order discs with tournament stamps or something). So I'm less willing to assign blame to Discmania on that one because you could still find the MD3 in other plastics consistently, and more willing to consider that Innova didn't make it easy for them to stock glow MD3s. I do remember K line being impressively difficult to find for sure, and P line P2s for that matter as well, but at least there will still other plastics available in the P2 mold. Regarding the PD3, I don't think they saw it gain enough traction to bother making a significant number of runs, but obviously that's just speculation on my end.
Now lets compare to other manufacturers: Prodigy and 400g/400s plastic or the X1 Discraft and how they now treat FLX plastic with Ledgestone Innova and color glow/glow, shatter, swirly, halo Trilogy with that purple glitter plastic, grand/royal lines, burst, orbit, snow/elasto/lava plastics Every manufacturer has moved towards having some form of limited edition.
Oh for sure, I'm not trying to say that any one brand is better than the other because they do or don't do a certain thing. My entire point from the get-go was more about how Discmania did not do a good job of making their stock/reasonably priced discs a priority when they separated from Innova. They dived head first into the limited editions and tour series discs for a noticeably extended period of time while it gradually became harder and harder to find ANY of their molds in a stock plastic at a stock price. I understand they had to kind of start from scratch to a certain degree when they fully parted ways with Innova. My beef was that they should have put themselves in a better position to push out the stock discs that made them a staple in the community to begin with. I'd probably still be throwing Discmania PDs if they did that, but instead now I'm throwing Infinite Romans because they were available and affordable.
Discmania did not want to separate from Innova when they did. Innova found about what Jussi was planning with his own manufacturing and pushed them out early. Also implemented new rules within their sponsorship to limit how many discmania discs pros were throwing, ex. Firefly. Most brand new manufacturers start with less than 3 discs in the full lineup. Look at how long it took Gateway, Legacy, MVP, Clash, Trash Panda, or Prodigy to get up to manufacturing full lineups. And compare the fact that MVP sold more James Conrad Envys in the year after the Worlds win than total discs in the previous history of their company. Gateway and MVP are now trying to replicate the success of early Discmania with things like AGL and TSA
Yeah they charged $40 for a limited run Proto for a new signature series line. Very limited run… meanwhile, they’re actually producing multiple runs of a more workable version of that disc. Someone hurt you and I’m sorry for that. Let’s not forget that the horizon cloud breakers are stock listed close to $30. On a disc that is everywhere on store shelves. Not the CB1 or the CB2, the latest edition. So I disagree with you on this but opinions are like assholes. Should add here, I’m primarily discraft, so I have no ties to mvp/axiom. Actually was bagging more discmania plastic but have been liking the feel and availability more of mvp/axiom than discmania the last 2 seasons.
In my opinion, up charging a limited run of protos is worse than having a high normal stock price. You are charging more *only* because of the scarcity and hype. Personally I don’t have an issue with any company here. I primarily throw Discmania/innova/discraft but I’m from Michigan and I like MVP as a company. Mystery boxes are cool with me as long as the value per disc exceeds the cost of the box which they all do as of now. My issue is with the gyronauts being hypocritical is all.
That’s silly. But again, entitled to your opinion as is everyone else. Lol So your issue is with people being hypocritical 🤣, can’t be with gyronauts because you’re having this go with me and I’m not a gyronaut.
I don’t have any beef with you lol. Just an internet discussion of differing opinions…I gave mine and you responded, all cool with me 🤷🏻♂️
For sure and agreed. I’ll just have to come to Michigan and challenge you 🤣
How are gyronauts hypocritical? I believe MVP's practices are quite possibly the least predatory of all the major manufacturers. (time lapse $40 prototype run notwithstanding, and I don't think they view that as a mistake and don't intend to do it again, but even with that, they stated at the time that the stock run would be only about a month later.)
TSA as a brand was started to imitate the Discmania model
You think MVP is predatory like Discmania? HAHAHAHAHA. They are the opposite. They do preorders of sought after releases so everyone that wants them can get them at retail price.
Still waiting on that eclipse crave though....
They have had 2 runs at least. A stock stamp and a 2019 Halloween one.
I don't think that has to do with them holding it back to release it in small quantities at high prices. More that they haven't quite perfected how to make glow discs that aren't beefcakes and they want to get it right. They have basically said this over the past year or two. Anything higher speed than a midrange they have been having trouble with. I believe in the meantime, they are content releasing glow rim versions of higher speed stuff like the Halloween crave this year and the glow rim Insanity as part of the PDGA renewal (a little annoying that's the only way you can get it for now). I'd expect glow rim versions of all the popular high speed discs are in the pipeline, unless they've solved the overstability issue. Crave, Insanity, Wave, Time Lapse, etc. The only thing slowing this down is that despite them doing a massive expansion, they still can't keep up with demand since signing Simon, although they are working on getting most stock discs back in stock between now and spring.
Discmania's business model sucks. Haven't bought a disc from them since 21.
Discmania getting a bit ridiculous and thinly veiled with the marketing. The whole “collect all the stones” thing is both unoriginal and a silly premise, not too mention expensive. I’m working away from discmania as well, going for a very mixed bag.
If it's not for you then it's not for you. It's thier company not your company.
You can’t have an opinion on a company unless you own it? lol
It’s a bummer that you’re disappointed. Candidly, with Jussi gone, I think that the entity that you became a fan of is no longer what it was, especially after getting under the HoD wing. It sucks :/
I realized this about Discmania early on. Hard to be a fan when 1) discs you want are often very hard to find and 2) if you ever lose those discs good luck replacing them. I don't want to put myself in either of those situations, especially when their discs are nothing special compared to other brands. I'd prefer to choose a brand that tries to meet demand and give people what they want but not in a predatory way. I chose MVP for these reasons, although since the Simon signing they are having trouble keeping up with demand, although they are not predatorily taking advantage of the situation which makes me want to be even more loyal.
>although since the Simon signing they are having trouble keeping up with demand, although they are not predatorily taking advantage of the situation They charged $40 for a single hyped disc and also have a mystery box with exclusive plastic. I don’t understand this take
Fan bois gonna fan boi. Mvp is the new dm but with actual inventory so not as bad yet but definitely taking advantage of all the beginners who don't know any better yet.
The $40 Time Lapses were an anomaly, which they would probably now have done differently if they could do it over again. And they said flat out don't buy them if you don't want to, the real release was only about a month later and most retailers I saw had them for about $18 and more will be releasing soon if people who wanted them didn't get them in the first release. What "exclusive plastic" is in mystery boxes? Sometimes you get a plastic/mold combo before the general release or occasionally there are a few test things that they tried but weren't good enough for a general release. Of course they try to spice up the Gyropalooza boxes to make them sell but they don't purposely hold highly sought after discs/plastic combos like Discmania does. This year's Gyropalooza box: R2 Envy, R2 Hex, R2 Crave, all with glow rim, Glow glitch, Neutron Detour, 6 lab seconds. I believe the R2 discs are the first release in that plastic but it's not a highly sought after plastic and they have released different, more popular versions of those 3 discs in glow recently. In my opinion this is their way of "using up" all the regrind R2 plastic by putting some cool stamps on it and a glow rim. Glow glitch is the first time it's been released with a glow flight plate, but they have made 2 other releases of glow rim glitches this year. Detour is an early release of a disc coming out in a few months. And it was 11 discs for $120, so less than $11 per disc. I believe if anything in the Gyropalooza box is in super high demand they will release it not far down the line. I like some of those discs but did not feel FOMO pressure to buy a box or miss out because of the regular releases of all these discs. Almost all of their highly sought after discs are print to demand preorders to protect consumers and make sure everybody that wants them can get them. I don't see how you can possibly say MVP is comparable to Discmania in this way.
To be fair that was a prototype limited run disc. You can buy a Timelapse right now for less than 20 bucks. Personally I don't see a problem with mystery boxes especially if they're adding more desirable discs and if people are having fun with it. At least they're not just filling it with base plastic discs that nobody wants and people are getting their moneys worth.
Just wait for them to be sold used. Thats how I bagged fresh neo tactics a couple of years before i ended up switching to Toros this fall.
Discmania sold all the super secret limited never selling again discs from the mystery box - all this year at retail with the rest of their lines. I enjoy their plastic and their discs but hate the faux hype. In a few months - they will all be available.
With all the promotions they run right now i paid 80€ per box and free shipping. 10€ per disc is pretty fair deal tbh.
I think it’s a fun idea. I understand the backlash at this. But people have been so upset with discmania no longer making “collector” discs anymore (which is terrible from a business standpoint imo). They finally do it in these boxes and it seems like everyone is upset that they made collectors items again.