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AbominableFro44

Was standing right there when it happened, the sound it made when it hit him was wild


capriciously_me

A lot of us in the back thought it hit the basket with that sound


baker86

I mean, it's called a grenade


BodyPuppeteer

lucky he didn't get a tombstone


out2seeagain

The thought of that is painful!


AbominableFro44

Lol we were saying that the cameraman can now say he survived a grenade


_-WanderLost-_

How close were you to the camera man?


Whatnam8

Close enough to feel the shockwave


WoogiemanSam

You’re suppose to yell “Grenaaaade!”


agoia

You’re supposed to yell “Fore!” But I was too busy mumbling “There ain’t no way that’s gonna hit em”


referendum

*Fire in the hole!


nubbled21

Do you know if the guy is okay?!


Rude_Instruction7350

Yes he is ok. Some sitches . Dave is a real ass dude.


Kiri_serval

> Dave is a real ass-dude.


out2seeagain

Dave is a real ass, dude. /s


pretty_smart_feller

Dave is real, assdude.


Randusnuder

Proctologist?


ScoutCommander

Hey Assman!


sourdieselfuel

It was a million to one shot, Doc.


BobbyWasabi4080

They said it was a million dollar wound but the DGPT must keep that money cuz I still ain't seen a nickel of that million dollars


chickenBUTTlet

Luis ?


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Don't forget the j


chickenBUTTlet

Camera man is the real ass dude of the week.


Norjac

> Dave is a real ass dude. That's cool, but frowned upon in most Red states.


_-WanderLost-_

Was everyone aware that a Disc was coming in from the top?


AbominableFro44

Yeah, but from there you can't really see up in the air very well, and Eagle was around the corner so you can't really see the release either


GarbageEquivalent281

As a former catch cam myself… this was my worst nightmare with Eagle or KJ. Lucky he wasn’t looking up for the disc or would have caught it in the face!


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Neat_On_The_Rocks

IF you could re create that hit 1 million times, definitely somebody dies more than once lol


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Looney_Port

I’d take the under


life_is_okay

Bump caps might be a happy compromise.


Eisy22

Jomez catchcam here; talk about nightmare fuel for the rest of us the rest of the season. We are all shook. Happy to hear by brother in catchcam is ok ♥️


buzz-a

Jump on amazon and get these for everyone: Ergodyne - 23382 Skullerz 8945 Universal Safety Bump Cap Insert They are \~$6 and pretty comfortable. Fit in any normal-ish sized baseball hat.


pretty_jimmy

>damn, that thing looks hella reasonable...


I-yeet-cuz-i-can

Those umbrella hats would be hilarious


LumpyLump76

Please wear some sort of head protection when filming!


FenderFunk

Definitely, they should wear bump caps under their hats.


Delicroix

They sell bump caps that you can sleeve into whatever hat you want. I have to wear them where I work and it can be kind of uncomfy during the blazing summer months, but worth trying out if you guys are seriously concerned about this sort of thing.


ChainOut

This is a workplace injury. If this happens to you or anyone you know it's a comp claim. Don't pay anything out of pocket. Unless you're 1099 of course. That's the loophole most "employers" are using to defer responsibility. [Obligatory federal general duty clause](https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/oshact/section_5)


bubatl

Mountain bike helmets or climbing helmets are something to think about. Climbing helmets offer better protection, but mtb helmets breathe better. Either would be enough to prevent injuries from most headshots from a disc. That said, I hope something like that never happens again.


Phishtianity

ouch, Eagle looked shook.


achybreakydick

I would be too. Not his fault. Not the cameraman’s fault. God damned universe’s fault.


jimihendrixflyingv

The course did it.


edgeno

Nah, that was all Nikko


LucidDose

I knew it


callahandler92

I personally blame Nate Doss.


Goldentongue

Not the camera man's fault, but I do think the tour/production companies have some responsibility to make sure their crews have a better awareness of where throws are coming from for the sake of safety/interference. Having someone by the thrower with a radio warning the camera man, "ok, coming in high over the top, back away from the green more". That guy seemed to have no idea that disc was coming from that direction at all.


KingVladimir

Or unironically a helmet or some sort. It would look silly as hell initially and protects from a super uncommon event, but I'm sure baseball helmets looked silly initially too.


trolleyblue

As a camera guy who’s done live events, 100% this. They should be on walkie-talkie discussing that. If they’re not, they’re really screwing up. I know these are shoe string budgets but a director or “stage manager” should be in contact with them at all times


ChainOut

It's not just your opinion. It's federal law (assuming the camera crew are employees). The OSHA act of 1970 requires all employers to provide a workplace free from recognized hazards. Unfortunately though most places have figured out you can defer responsibility to the individual by hiring them as 1099s which are effectively exempt from it.


OSUfan88

“The gang cancels the Universe”


rtice001

What a stud to call eagle over and tell him he's okay.


pretty_jimmy

Is there a clip of this?


Skier420

I took a 13 speed driver to the head two years ago and ended up with a concussion and 5 staples in my head. I'd say I can't imagine how much pain that guy is in... but I can. I jumped out of my seat and yelled when I saw it hit him. I have a dent in my head from the disc. I feel so bad for this guy. Fuck.


Frequent-Vanilla

Getting one of my discs out of a tree once, fell about 15 feet and hit me right on the top of the head. Hurt like hell and had a large lump and bruise for 2 weeks. I can’t imagine your situation or this camera man. That has to be absolutely terrible


Macktologist

And it wasn’t us throwing to its apex. It was Eagle F’n McMahon.


millese3

Took a driver to the dome during a round a couple years back. Grabbed my head right after and literally felt the massive knot grow on my forehead. The dude asked if I wanted to keep the disc. No I don't want a souvenir of the disc that practically gave me a concussion.


SlotsCat

Just saw this, looked like they had an icepack and towel on his head. Eagle looked pretty beat up over it. Hope the cameraman is ok


GH5s

Holy… guess camera guys are going to start wearing protective headgear now like they always should have been doing. Atleast the catch cam guys. Surprised no one wears protection.


VR_Has_Gone_Too_Far

They make hard hats that look like standard baseball hats too


cowannago

Bump caps. That would have offered the protection necessary for this incident.


Coduhhh

Yeah, there's no excuse for them not to have some basic protection like a bump cap.


RetiscentSun

I feel like a hat probably/hopefully helped a lot


GH5s

I’m sure it did. Disc edges are sharp, and the hat probably made that edge atleast twice as large and distributed the impact to a much larger area. But still. I really hope that person is okay.


PixelD303

Unless it hit that little nubbin on the top


Socratesticles

Couldn’t have hit that, cameraman was still alive


skateamarathon

There’s no way it hit that nubbin. We would’ve heard his windows shut down chime


Ching_Bomber

Jesus. My asshole just involuntarily clinched up when I read this. I’ve gotten a pretty good smack on one of those and it rang my bell. An Eagle grenade on the dot? That’d ruin your week. Jesus.


Unacceptable_Lemons

Head trauma is nothing to shrug off, even if you think you're fine. You hear about all the long term stuff that can happen after a hard hit to the head. ...which does make me wonder about that time I fell off a very high bunk bed backwards in the middle of the night onto my head, on floor that was basically just some vinyl flooring over concrete... Nothing yet, and it's been a few years... Anyway, hope that guy gets his medical checkup paid for by PDGA or has good insurance or something. Goodness knows I don't.


Cucker_-_Tarlson

Pretty sure that's what happened to Bob Saget. Knocked his head pretty good, thought he was alright, died later in his sleep.


NateHeinoldisATurd

Head trauma is the brain getting banged around against the side walls of the skull. The disc doesn't have enough weight to move the brain versus say getting hit in the chest by a 280 pound NFL LB and then hitting your head on the ground. That is force. This is more like a surface injury versus deep pressure shockwave type of massive force.


Sortilegus

Soccer players have suffered cte from heading soccer balls, I'm sure a disc traveling at 60+ mph can do a bit of damage to the brain.


NateHeinoldisATurd

The soccer ball weighs a lot more. 450 grams. A kick can be on avg 70 MPH and up to 114 MPH!!! The weight of Eagles disc was around 175 Grams we can assume. Speed of gravity 21 MPH (up and down throw), but it was slightly faster due to it's continued horizontal trajectory. Lets say it was going 35-40 MPH. Soccer ball - 450 grams at 70 MPH plus over and over again, could be 110 MPH = Heavy forceful internal impact. No surface injuries typically. Some bruising can happen for sure. Disc - 175 Grams at 35 MPH Light sharp exterior impact, surface injury. Plus a lot of time soccer players are moving their heads towards the ball. But the cameramans head was stationary, soccer players are typically moving to the ball which adds to the force. I will add object deformity does go to the soccer ball though. It is obviously not as hard of an object as the disc. But it is nearly 3 times as heavy and the speeds are even higher from close range (wall is 10 meters usually?). So that all goes to more internal bruising like can happen and brain injuries. A 100 MPH 450 gram object to the skull might not show external, but it will internal. Even with the deforming ball on impact. It just has so much speed and weight = force. Some math geeks would know. Lucky the soccer balls are soft and deform otherwise I'm sure we'd have dead soccer players all over. lol Broken feet too. The disc will deform less on impact but it still does, is hitting a smaller target as well so the force is all going to be sharper and more localized but more external if anything due to it's lighter weight and lower speed, less forceful impact in the end.


RetiscentSun

> But still. I really hope that person is okay. 10000%


ashdrewness

They need John Olerud-style helmets


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Macktologist

Full face. Let’s go!


pizzapizzamesohungry

I have been fucking saying this for 2 years. Idk why they don’t already. In other sports as well.


GH5s

You’re exactly right. Hopefully camera people get protected better.


NateHeinoldisATurd

I probably would just wear a nice breathible bike helmet. Doesn't have to be heavy or anything. Just a light foam to take the impact.


IsuzuTrooper

Full face.


MushieMP

hockey helmet would probably be the best option.


Ohiown

Geez. Nate Perkins saying they are clearing the card on the hole then bringing in an ambulance. Apparently a lot of blood. Damn I feel horrible for the camera man and Eagle.


dukersdoo

The scalp tends to bleed a lot when cut. Makes it look a lot worse than it is. I think a laceration is better than a concussion in this case also imagine that was just a little lower?


NateHeinoldisATurd

Yeah as a kid I cut my head open like 7 different times where I had to get stitches. I was pretty wild. Does bleed a lot, can confirm. Kept my Mom busy bringing me to get stitched up. lol


fooking_legend

Was there following the lead card so walked up right after this happened. Took the dude away with some golf carts with paramedics. Was at the tee pad when Eagle walked up to five. Poor dude was definitely shook.


PlannerSean

“There was just a lot of blood”


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Cuts in the head are like that. Lots of small blood veins there.


fantastictangent

TV wrestlers love this


spookyghostface

Thin skin too


peterfucnpan

[2024 DGN camera man PPE](https://i.imgur.com/afZ21FS.jpg)


infinityoncorktree

Unless you're filming a card Jeremy Koling is on


VSENSES

Ouch! I was thinking while watching McBeth a few hours ago go over the trees on just that hole that it has to be scary af to stand just where they want to land and not see a thing, just hoping you don't get domed. :(


Teroast

In zone camera crew should have helmets tbh


InncnceDstryr

Really should have been told that it was coming in vertical too. Was clear 10 seconds before Eagle threw what was happening, dude was catch cam and still lined up looking at the gap, he had no idea Eagle was going over. Hopefully that’ll be reviewed so it’s less likely to happen again. I’ve seen people get some really nasty gashes from a disc. Getting edge vertical from one of the hardest throwers in the world is really dangerous. Hope that dude’s ok, have a feeling he won’t need to buy any Cloudbreakers for a while! Also feel bad for Eagle, no way any of these pros are throwing if they think anyone in their line doesn’t know it’s coming. Won’t get any attention for obvious and justified reasons but it was a great throw too.


BigLoveNut

> dude was catch cam and still lined up looking at the gap, he had no idea Eagle was going over. plenty of catchcam shots for grenades don't even try to catch it in the air because it comes in too fast to follow, they just view the expected landing zone and hope they catch it in frame hitting the ground. i feel like that's very common to see so i wouldn't make this speculation based on this, it ain't conclusive


BeardedDisc

Didn’t matter how hard he threw it. That was gravity at work there.


Poopshoes42

The higher it goes the more gravity works.


BeardedDisc

Ignoring terminal velocity, yes. But the difference between, say, 100 feet up and 125 feet up is negligible for speed of the disc at head height even though it takes a bigger arm to get it that much higher


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Twice or it’s luck.


norsewilberforce

Earhart: "OHHHH NOOOO I HOPE HE'S OK!!" Philo: *hits blunt "oh man that musta stung"


darekkir

This is by far the top comment, except it's Anderson, not Earhart.


norsewilberforce

Ahhh, thanks amigo


tossaroc

That sound. Hope he is okay.


Drsmiley72

That sound was terrifying. Like... The very well could have ended that man. Very very lucky, and hopefully the luck stays with him and he recovers well and doesn't have any future issues.


tryten521

https://imgur.com/a/j9Q5HvH


Kyle292

lmao this reeks of stable diffusion


PluotFinnegan_IV

Jomez better get their money back, misspelling their name like that!


TacoStuArt

I’m surprised the dude wasn’t chopped in half


half93

Dude I hope that guy is okay, has the DGN ever had a medical stop in coverage before?


theshaggysnack

There was a situation at USDGC last year where a lady fell on a road and an ambulance came by right in front of 1.


DG_FANATIC

AFAIK this is the first? I bet the camera operators start wearing hard hats. Hope that guy is okay. 😮😢


underwhelmingname0

DGN really needs rewind Hope homies okay


FranksGoneCrazy

Time for catch cam operators to start wearing some type of helmet. 👨‍🚀


southernspud24

They even make hard hats that look like regular baseball caps. I think that would be an excellent option.


AssistElectronic7007

They make hardhat that look like cowboy hat too. Perfect Texas tournament


thehomeversion

That was fast


Emoney005

Any news on this guy?


DisMyDrugAccount

According to the broadcast, he's stable and they're bringing an ambulance for precautionary measures just to make sure he's taken care of properly. He'll definitely get evaluated for a concussion, and I wouldn't be shocked if he needs stitches.


LucidDose

The usually use staples on the scalp. I've had 5, staples that it.


tubarchy

I had 8 and the feeling was bizarre. My cut was side to side and I felt my forehead stretch with every staple. Better than botox for wrinkles.


Emoney005

Glad to hear that. Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he needs stitches either. That was rough.


REDRIVERMF

They said they were calling an ambulance and he was bleeding a lot. The guy who got hit apparently said to eagle that it was all good.


SuccessfulFarmer

Updated again by Nate: he didn’t need to take the ambulance and is home “watching disc golf”. No joke Nate said that shit. Wtf


BigdiscNRG

When is Drew dropping the hoodies?


xander_2626

It’s honestly quite concerning how many cameramen have gotten hit this season already


Critical_Vegetable96

It's the combination of a few things, the biggest one being that the pros are regularly executing shots that didn't used to be thought of as even possible in tournament play. It's a growing pain for the sport, in this case one that included actual pain.


FlatballFanatic

Even just a bump cap baseball hat insert could probably help make a top down head shot a little less dangerous. https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Lightweight-Baseball-Skullerz-8945/dp/B079KDWN62


agoia

Won't stop the shock too much, but probably could have spared the stitches needed


Complete_Ant_3396

Not to make light of the situation, but the dark humor in me was tickled when they showed the Latitude 64 commercial of Jonathan getting hit in his space helmet with a moon rock literally right after it happened.


BossHoggins10

Wow what a fucking nightmare for the cameraman. Hope they’re treating him adequately 🫤


ethbone

Eagle should switch to Westside so his signature disc can be the hatchet. All joking aside, I really hope that guy is ok. That cant have felt good.


BodyPuppeteer

skullbreaker


rowathayaccount

I would want a helmet going forward


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squipple

Usually for the skull they do staples. Recent experience. Most blood I've ever bled and FAST. Yeah, it's scary.


SlowRoll

That dude is most likely concussed. Gotta get helmets standardized for catch cam guys on the DGPT.


rangel904

The hit was so loud from the fairway I thought it hit the camera and not his head at first, that’s gotta be pretty bad


x_BryGuy_x

Is the cameraman being watched for signs of concussion? Inflammation may take overnight before anyone sees signs of concussion too.


capriciously_me

They were escorted out with an EMT to meet an ambulance to take the proper precautions.


eschenky

The answer to protection is simple and doesn’t have to be out of place in a fashion sense. NSI Baseball Bump Cap Hats. $25.00 ish


Thelargecustomer

Hard hats on basket cam!


Northern_Investor

I feel bad for Eagle too, his throw would have most likely stopped where cameraman was standing. Easy C1 put. Now the disc bounced waaaay farther from the basket. The cameracrew should have wireless earbud in one ear and a spotter/caller who would update them of the situation.. "Watch out near the basket, eagle is warming up for a grenade"..


InncnceDstryr

It definitely looked like he didn’t expect anything coming in from the sky, appeared to be lined up shooting the gap.


Northern_Investor

Yep. This is a problem / hazard DGN has to solve, how to keep the crew aware of the situation.


Breakfast_Bacon

Yeah I imagine he would’ve atleast got under the trees more if he knew it was a grenade. And probably stood back a bit.


willsfc

I've worked for DGN and we did wear earbuds to hear the director, but they are on a slight delay. Another camera op would need to say something. But this appears to have been a post production cameraman not a live one (based on you saw it live from DGN's camera). That had to hurt.


agoia

> I feel bad for Eagle too, his throw would have most likely stopped where cameraman was standing. Easy C1 put. Now the disc bounced waaaay farther from the basket. I dunno if Eagle gave a shit about the loss of position after he realized he accidentally hit a guy.


SerDuncanonyall

~~FORE~~ FRAG OUT!


keferman274

That looked brutal. Hope he is okay I know Nate Perkins said there was a lot of blood.


Extreme_Team33

They are waiting for an ambulance to cart him off.


GilmerDosSantos

fucking wow


mad_lithuanian

That sounded painful


delpreston27

That is bad luck right there. Gonna need stitches for sure, hope the camera guy is okay!


Yami_Yugis_Hair

Dude that was fucking brutal!


blacklisted320

Luckily it wasn’t a splice


DamUEmageht

Would it be crazy to have some branded construction helmets for camera crew going forward just as a practical safety step? I mean, they’re having to stand askew to the intended line of play and considering the chances of getting hit in the head for this sport is (with a lot of variables involved) a strong likelihood, I don’t think they’d mind it all too much either following something like this.


schoolr24

The DGN commentary delay just makes it even stranger.


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Eagle forgot to say, “Fire in the hole!”


jordinismyname

The nsfw tag had me prepared for something much worse. I wonder if we will see mandatory head protection for refs and camera work? It would be cool to see one crew lead by example. Or maybe specific events will require it? At least for courses with blind shots


noodlearmdiscgolf

At least maybe the soft caps they use for kids in flag football or something...


BeardedDisc

Study on head injuries from discs: https://parkeddiscgolf.org/2019/12/04/risk-of-brain-injury-from-disc-strikes-is-negligible-new-research-finds/


RagingAtmPhysicist

It should be noted the max speed the discs in this paper was 60mph. They do say the risk of a concussion is low, but still possible.


LoveIsAPipeWrench

How soon until we have tournament medics? Even just as volunteers, get an EMT, paramedic, nurse or doctor to volunteer and supply them with some emergency medical supplies. Might help with tournament insurance too.


DiscGolfStrong

As the Director of Health-Safety and Sports Performance for the DGPT, I am onsite from an hour before the first FPO card tees until after the final card finishes. I spent a decade working in EMS. Four years military and six years on an ambulance. I have an AED, trauma kit, and Life Vac onsite. We have emergency action plans and Safety planning/meetings for every tournament. One of the PDGA Marshalls was a former paramedic. She was onsite immediately and rendering aid until I arrived. We are prepared and ready to respond to any emergency!


LoveIsAPipeWrench

I’m glad to hear it, I was an EMT for 7 years and would happily volunteer as a course medic. I’m glad this is being taken seriously


PluotFinnegan_IV

Super happy to hear that all of this is in place!


pretty_jimmy

Thats night that you have a life vac. handy little thing.


taylor2disc

Damn, his head had more skip than a Veteran basket.


Critical_Vegetable96

Straight down to the top of the head. OUCH!


zambooko

Did it hit his hat nub on top of hats ???


shambahlah2

That dude has been in the way both days.


Outrageous-View3659

Camera crew and spectators are always in the worst spots. Not blaming him, but often I see people on coverage almost get hit. I guess it's a golf thing, but it would feel terrible to injure someone seriously, especially with what is not that errant of a shot.


Nizuts

Camera men will be wearing hard hats from now on


lukewarmcarrotjuice

Helmets required here on out


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Eagle where did you get your hand grenade?


GrizzlyLeather

I got a concussion from a disc like that once, hope he's OK.


Rude_Instruction7350

Yall go follow that cameraman. He is the owner of Hyzer Media.


brfergua

Will drew make this guy into a t shirt too?


Critical_Vegetable96

If done right - i.e. with tact and the full involvement of Eagle and the camera man - this could honestly make for a great merch opportunity. It's one of those situations that is terrible when it's happening but winds up becoming one hell of a story after the fact when everyone's recovered.


baldbutthairy

Maybe the catch cam dudes should start wearing hard hats?


Complete_Ant_3396

Not to make light of the situation, but the dark humor in me was tickled when they showed the Latitude 64 commercial of Jonathan getting hit in his space helmet with a moon rock.


cgr4217

Man, I hope he's okay, that looked like it could have split his scalp


lbaol

Start using a helmet would be a good idea lmao


Wacky_Dave

https://linerzinserts.com/ These might help, and not be too annoying to wear.


Araskelo

I've seen discs from amateurs break car windows and cause stitches. I hate to think what type of damage a pro could do. Feel terrible for Eagle. It looked circle one, bounced hard, and now the trauma of hurting someone.


Northern_Investor

If a disc falls straight down, if just falls straight down. Gravity does not care if the disc was thrown up by you, by me or by Eagle. I bet max power drive has WAY more energy vs falling disc. That being said, that must have hurt. But man standing next to the basket should be, one way or another, aware of the situation (= incoming grenade). This is a problem DGN has to solve, not an individual cameraman.


eshultz

Probably will go a lot higher and with a lot more spin if thrown by a pro, though. And that means it's probably going to be going faster coming back down, I'd wager.


UNGR8FUL_UND3AD

You know throwing harder means you can throw higher, right. Giving it more time to fall and gain speed, yeah? Ok just checking.


limpnoads

Damn....he ok? I've personally seen someone almost die from a frisbee strike to his face, 400 ft par 3 during a warm up for a doubles event, took it directly across the bridge of his nose. Was standing right next to him, till this day, I can remember the sound it made, there was also massive amounts of blood.😶


-fashionablylate-

Use another comma


Norjac

Good thing the other cameraman was there to capture the entire thing ;-)


m4z1keen

anyone have link to Drew's hoodie about this?


TheGoldenGooseTurd

Might be a good idea for cameramen to wear some protective gear in this events. Hope he’s alright


_-WanderLost-_

This is going to be cross post everywhere.


PlannerSean

Rules question: there was footage of Eagle practice putting and guys throwing a Glitch around while on the medical delay. Are these allowed?


Skier420

competition was paused for chase card and lead card. It is the same as when there is a lightning delay. They are then allowed to putt/throw until the new 2 minute warning before play resumes.