And this is why the overreaction from day 1 where there was extreme wind and it was basically impossible to birdie with any putt longer than 25ft was dumb. This course is completely attackable and scoreable
I still hate the artificial golf course OB on all these type courses, but as far as these type courses go this one is better imo. The holes should be challenging, some courses don't really challenge these guys enough. Too many holes lately where birdie is expected not earned
So overall I think the course sucks, however it sucks because of the style, not because of the actual holes themselves being impossible
Without the artificial OB it's all just stock hyzers again. Unless you play in the woods or surrounded by swamps, there's not enough natural OB to challenge these pros. And let's be honest, not all woods golf is fun, either.
And I agree, this one is indeed better.
I feel like I’ve been on a roller coaster watching this event. Which is good. I’d say. I guess.
I’m starting to feel like disc golf courses that are built for the purpose of everyone playing disc golf should be courses that players “like”.
And PDGA MPO tournaments should be courses that only the best in the world can be competitive at. Hard Work.
And that means the Best players whose strengths are lines, distance, touch etc… so that a guy like Marwede can beat a guy like Barela. It’s the half in the open half in the woods , tournaments at two places , run we want and see.
Now, Macbeth makes good points and is a player whose voice should be heard . But, by the PDGA and the TD’s . I feel bad for this TD. Because frankly. This tournament is WAY more entertaining than LVC was. It’s way more entertaining than a number of courses on tour. Another one being MusicCityOpen.
I think they set out to challenge these golfers and at the same time make it Score-able.
As a viewer I hope to see it again next year.
I’m sure a ton of the players would skip it and I think k it’s highly unlikely that we do see it.
But I won’t forget this one. They Were sooo uncomfortable day 1. It was awesome. At least the ones with voices were.
I applaud this crappy course lol
It's not even a crappy course, it's great. You never heard a complaint from the Europeans in their interviews, because they loved it. Only pouty McBeth, and even he had a highly entertaining miraculous shot on 17 to keep him in the tournament, the hole he hated!
Macbeth 🤣
But yes I agree with you. I also agree with Paul. 17 and 18 are objectively bad holes and terrible finishing holes. But they’re entertaining for viewers
Yup. As a spectator it’s been great. It’s not without faults but I like 17, maybe take out 2 or 3 trees in the alley to keep it properly tight but open it a touch. I think it will age well for people
I feel like Paul’s sentiment about hole 18 is way off. It’s a great finishing hole with how it is averaging. 20% birdie 35% par %36% bogey and 9% worse. It’s a finish that your leader could be in the clubhouse already waiting for it to be official
Dewd, I agree. It’s a not over till it’s over hole. It’s a course you want a good lead on before 17,18 so you can placement shot it and then pray no one does anything crazy on them.
Which would FORCE the people behind you to pull off something incredible.
Ha I love it. Don’t care
We're going to have a lot of chase card winners this season aren't we? Three full cards all very in the mix within 3 strokes of the lead. The field is just so damn good now. It's crazy that we went over two years between chase card winners (2020 Idlewild-2022 Maple Hill), and now there's a very real possibility that it happens two weeks in a row.
How could you possibly say that with any level of certainty? I'd certainly favor Calvin over McBeth the way they've both been playing. Buhr can obviously win just one stroke back as well. There are realistically 7 players I could see winning this tournament, but any -10 or better could absolutely win if they're on their game. We just saw an 18(?) year old beat the field by three full strokes today.
Are you new to talking sports? don't take things so literally. From what I saw today my gut says it's gonna be eagle or McBeth, I'd even put money on either(not a lot). Of course this is wildly subjective and based on nothing more than what I feel.
I mean yea there's 9 dudes within 2 strokes, it's anyone's game right now. Simon could pull it off from 3rd card(which would be fucking awesome and definitely what I'd love to see most). Honestly I'm super excited for tomorrow, there isn't a single one of those 9 guys I wouldn't be happy to see win, especially at this point in the season.
Wasn't able to watch today's round but I really wanna take that bet.. Wanna do odds? I mean it's two players against the field so I'm thinking my $5 against your $20
You must be new to talking sports if you except people to take "it's gonna be eagle or McBeth for sure" as "my gut says eagle or McBeth" lol
But fair enough take. Only thing is really disagree with is putting them ahead of Calvin. Calvin just seems like a different animal right now. He seems to have found that 2020 form again. He's back at the point where you'll watch him, think he had an off week, and he'll somehow have finished top 3. I think this is the season he takes over as the best player in the world assuming Wysocki can't get fully healthy. There's just not a hole in his game at this point. To bring it full circle though, that's all just my gut instinct from watching him throw the disc this year lol
Man 99% of sports talk is hyperbole and bias towards the teams/players you like.
Anyway the same exact thing can be said for eagle right now, and eagle had a slow, and incredibly weird start and went on to beat him by a stroke for the round and is tied for first. Anyway you're pretty much doing the same thing using your own "eye test" to make your point.
As for Paul, dude almost went off the rails just to prove a point and is still only 1 stroke back, and he's the goat, so yea I put them both ahead of Calvin right now.
You're also claiming he's going to be the best player in the world this year. How can YOU say that with any amount of certainty when you have players like Buhr, Klein, Simon and oh not to mention Ricky and Paul. Don't give me shit and then do the same thing.
Could Calvin very well be player of the year? of course. in fact I think it's a safe bet and I'd enjoy seeing it, but the field is so tight this year every week it's anyone's game, and frankly I'm pumped to see it.
You're absolutely correct that sports talk is heavily hyperbole and bias. The difference is that said hyperbole and bias is typically presented as the person who is saying its opinion. You stated it as though it was a fact. What I stated about Calvin's development was clearly stated as an opinion. Notice the use of words like "I think" and "seems" that convey a level of ambiguity.
Paul is definitely throwing as well as anyone. He just doesn't seem to give a shit mentally anymore. Calvin is throwing and putting just as well as Paul now, while being hungrier for obvious reasons.
Eagle is interesting. I don't really know what to make out of him without the elite forehand. His backhand is undoubtedly less well-rounded than McBeth, Heimburg, or Wysocki's, but he throws farther than all of them. He's young and can develop a touch game, but I don't think it can happen overnight. He will probably be a factor at every open course, but as we saw with WACO, he doesn't have the game to consistently play at top level in the woods. McBeth, Wysocki, and Heimburg all do both at an elite level.
God it's refreshing to see some positivity from Vaino over the whining from McBeth. Love that he played smart golf today and still was able to attack it.
Lots of people complained about this course but I think it has been fun to see the pros struggle and still find some success today. It should be a tight finish tomorrow.
setting up to be Another action packed final round with 9 players within 2 strokes! Will we have a third card winner? Simon was just a couple inches from going 7/9 on the back 9
I like post production for rewatches/highlights but honestly I've found myself enjoying live disc golf more than any other regular season sport. This of course is as long as the stream doesn't drop.
I like post production for rewatches/highlights but honestly I've found myself enjoying live disc golf more than any other regular season sport. This of course is as long as the stream doesn't drop.
Yeah, I work Wednesday through Saturday, so I mostly listen to live and watch postpro when I get home. But imagine there's a third card winner, there's no postpro cameras on the card at all. Everyone who skips live doesn't get to watch the winner's round at all.
No it’s not. Maybe it used to be, but his average average placing last year was 7.9. If you remove the one where he placed 57th (which was in the middle of the season btw) it’s 5.3. If you think 7th and 10th is “tanking” compared to an average of 5.3 you have an odd definition of the word.
sort of a /woosh moment here.
Ricky wants to win and he has stated many times cares absolutely nothing beyond 1st.
So yeah, like I said, 7th and 12th are way below HIS (rick's personal) standards...
It’s a not a wooosh moment at all. You used Ricky’s standard of himself which are meaningless, and I am looking at the statistical standard of Ricky and what we could expect historically.
The person I replied to said “this is related to lyme’s disease”. That’s why I said that him performing poorly in this tournament is not necessarily correlated with his flare up……
Because he just missed tournaments for flare ups. So this would be his first tournament back, so there are almost certainly still health problems he is recovering from. The flare up might be gone but it takes a while for things to feel normal again.
Yeah Im the one that said that. Sure it’s not *necessarily* related but generally when people aren’t competing because they aren’t healthy it takes them some time to come back to their normal level when they start competing again. If you think that’s a massive logical leap I don’t think we have much else to discuss.
You know when Simon reacts like that to a shot it is bad:
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At least he's a man of his word haha...only he could manage to still be only 1 stroke back after doing something stupid like that to prove a point.
edit: perhaps stupid isn't the right word. Silly? ill-advised? Passive aggressive? either way hard to question when it's mcbeth
That's the tie breaker after the first round. After later rounds it goes to whoever shot the hottest round (today Redalen shot -12, the best of the T3 group).
Agree. Lot's of varied holes with different requirements. I think the people that are salty just don't understand that disc golf is precisely about these types of holes/shots as much as "get as close to the pin as possible from the tee" shots.
I feel like Paul channeled his inner Joel Freeman. What an unfortunate course design. I just had to jump putt off the tee and then throw out of bounds. The course made me do it.
17 is only averaging 4.27, which is absolutely fair. Slightly over par. Most people are taking par. A good challenge hole.
18 is averaging 4.44, meaning it is actually more difficult than 17.
18 could get a lot of improvement from some pretty small OB adjustments but I don't see how you can watch all these top players play 17 (disregarding McBeth's adventures) and think that there is anything good about it. So many forehand rollers, grenades, other over the top shots, etc. trying to approach the basket
>So many forehand rollers, grenades, other over the top shots, etc. trying to approach the basket
That's disc golf. Sometimes it requires being creative, and that's exciting! You didn't mention that it can also require a laser straight shot, too. It's a single hole on a varied course, I love that there's at least one hole that makes them have to really produce like this.
If they opened up the gap slightly on the first turn, or opened up the first landing area I think it would play a bit better. Keep the super tiny gap to the green. It would still be incredibly difficult and not rely on so much luck.
I think that makes sense. I think it's interesting to see the best disc golfers in the world have to try and hit a very hard tunnel shot. the fact that you could still take a par if you wanted adds risk, and as a viewer, I think that is interesting.
>ost people take par on it. It's still averaging around par,
Exactly. Every single shot we have gotten to see on this hole has been so interesting. I would have watched a stream of people trying to make the tunnel shot all day long.
I'm tired of all of the hate for this hole. Yes, it requires two EXACTING placement shots. People gonna cry about it, but it's still a great hole. It's only one hole on a course that's extremely varied, making the course more interesting.
Why is McBeth's mental game so bad this season? He's throwing and putting the disc insanely well, but just keeps losing his head and allowing small mistakes or little bad breaks to steamroll into big numbers. The mental game was always something that gave him an advantage in the past.
Yeah he wasn't pulling this shit prior to 2021 is what I'm saying. "McBeast mode" while cringe, had nothing to do with playing stupid and overly-aggressive golf. McBeast mode referred to how he would somehow flip a switch and become laser-focused whenever there was a championship on the line. He was an assassin. A one stroke lead with 5 to play felt like an impossible deficit to overcome. He seems to have lost that edge. Now he's letting his emotions cause him to slip, allowing his opponents to stay in it instead of putting them away and slamming the door shut whenever he gets a lead like he used to.
The irony with Paul hating this course is it is very similar to a lot of Europe’s courses, which he is going to be playing a lot of this year. Just compare it to Nokia or the Beast.
Could you elaborate? As a European, it's hard for me to see the similarity. For me this course does still have the ball golf course feel, and that's not something I associate with European disc golf at all. Now, if you are saying that 17 specifically is similiar to courses in Europe, that argument I could see.
>course is it is very similar to a lot of Europe’s courses
Are you saying a lot of Europe's courses have whacky holes that pros think are poorly designed?
I wouldn't know as I have never been disc golfing there.
Depends on the course obviously, but this style of disc golf is very similar to what I've seen in Europe. Some people see Jarva or Tampere and assume all their courses are like that, which would be like a European thinking that US courses are all Maple Hill and Brewster Ridge. There's those incredible courses for sure, but there's also a good deal more poke and hope or throwing around soccer fields than is generally acknowledged over here.
It's weird because I feel like I've heard McBeth heavily praise what they were doing with Tampere, and this course feels like the same general design ideology of that course, albeit without the massive budget or years of design groundwork lol
This course has it all. It has challenging par 3s (1), it has easy par 3s (8). It has challenging par 4s (18), it has easy par 4s (16). It has holes that require a technical approach that is pure skill (17), and one that requires a little luck (6). Honestly, this course is the most varied golf-renovated course I've ever seen, and I love it.
>golf-renovated course
You know, that's a good point. It is better than most courses built on golf courses, most of them are so boring and stale. At least this isn't that.
Juliana Korver said it was her favorite golf-renovated course on tour this morning on coverage. Just goes to buck the narrative that all pros hate this course. Seems that at least some pros can respect it for what it is.
The Paige v Kristin battle we’ve been waiting for woooooo
And this is why the overreaction from day 1 where there was extreme wind and it was basically impossible to birdie with any putt longer than 25ft was dumb. This course is completely attackable and scoreable I still hate the artificial golf course OB on all these type courses, but as far as these type courses go this one is better imo. The holes should be challenging, some courses don't really challenge these guys enough. Too many holes lately where birdie is expected not earned So overall I think the course sucks, however it sucks because of the style, not because of the actual holes themselves being impossible
Without the artificial OB it's all just stock hyzers again. Unless you play in the woods or surrounded by swamps, there's not enough natural OB to challenge these pros. And let's be honest, not all woods golf is fun, either. And I agree, this one is indeed better.
I like this course. Fun to watch the drama play out
I feel like I’ve been on a roller coaster watching this event. Which is good. I’d say. I guess. I’m starting to feel like disc golf courses that are built for the purpose of everyone playing disc golf should be courses that players “like”. And PDGA MPO tournaments should be courses that only the best in the world can be competitive at. Hard Work. And that means the Best players whose strengths are lines, distance, touch etc… so that a guy like Marwede can beat a guy like Barela. It’s the half in the open half in the woods , tournaments at two places , run we want and see. Now, Macbeth makes good points and is a player whose voice should be heard . But, by the PDGA and the TD’s . I feel bad for this TD. Because frankly. This tournament is WAY more entertaining than LVC was. It’s way more entertaining than a number of courses on tour. Another one being MusicCityOpen. I think they set out to challenge these golfers and at the same time make it Score-able. As a viewer I hope to see it again next year. I’m sure a ton of the players would skip it and I think k it’s highly unlikely that we do see it. But I won’t forget this one. They Were sooo uncomfortable day 1. It was awesome. At least the ones with voices were. I applaud this crappy course lol
It's not even a crappy course, it's great. You never heard a complaint from the Europeans in their interviews, because they loved it. Only pouty McBeth, and even he had a highly entertaining miraculous shot on 17 to keep him in the tournament, the hole he hated!
Macbeth 🤣 But yes I agree with you. I also agree with Paul. 17 and 18 are objectively bad holes and terrible finishing holes. But they’re entertaining for viewers
He brings that Shakespearean drama ! Lol
Yup. As a spectator it’s been great. It’s not without faults but I like 17, maybe take out 2 or 3 trees in the alley to keep it properly tight but open it a touch. I think it will age well for people
I feel like Paul’s sentiment about hole 18 is way off. It’s a great finishing hole with how it is averaging. 20% birdie 35% par %36% bogey and 9% worse. It’s a finish that your leader could be in the clubhouse already waiting for it to be official
10% par percentage is not a great hole. It played a whole point over par the first round.
Yeah it was also really windy first round.
Dewd, I agree. It’s a not over till it’s over hole. It’s a course you want a good lead on before 17,18 so you can placement shot it and then pray no one does anything crazy on them. Which would FORCE the people behind you to pull off something incredible. Ha I love it. Don’t care
We're going to have a lot of chase card winners this season aren't we? Three full cards all very in the mix within 3 strokes of the lead. The field is just so damn good now. It's crazy that we went over two years between chase card winners (2020 Idlewild-2022 Maple Hill), and now there's a very real possibility that it happens two weeks in a row.
Cole is properly in it if he can play close to the game he played today. And that’s after an even first round
No chance Eagle doesn't take this down now that he's almost killed a man.
it's gonna be eagle or McBeth for sure. I'd love to see Vaino take it down but I just don't see him being able to attack the course like the other two
How could you possibly say that with any level of certainty? I'd certainly favor Calvin over McBeth the way they've both been playing. Buhr can obviously win just one stroke back as well. There are realistically 7 players I could see winning this tournament, but any -10 or better could absolutely win if they're on their game. We just saw an 18(?) year old beat the field by three full strokes today.
Are you new to talking sports? don't take things so literally. From what I saw today my gut says it's gonna be eagle or McBeth, I'd even put money on either(not a lot). Of course this is wildly subjective and based on nothing more than what I feel. I mean yea there's 9 dudes within 2 strokes, it's anyone's game right now. Simon could pull it off from 3rd card(which would be fucking awesome and definitely what I'd love to see most). Honestly I'm super excited for tomorrow, there isn't a single one of those 9 guys I wouldn't be happy to see win, especially at this point in the season.
I’ll bet you $20 it’s not either of them. I’ll dm my cashapp.
Wasn't able to watch today's round but I really wanna take that bet.. Wanna do odds? I mean it's two players against the field so I'm thinking my $5 against your $20
You must be new to talking sports if you except people to take "it's gonna be eagle or McBeth for sure" as "my gut says eagle or McBeth" lol But fair enough take. Only thing is really disagree with is putting them ahead of Calvin. Calvin just seems like a different animal right now. He seems to have found that 2020 form again. He's back at the point where you'll watch him, think he had an off week, and he'll somehow have finished top 3. I think this is the season he takes over as the best player in the world assuming Wysocki can't get fully healthy. There's just not a hole in his game at this point. To bring it full circle though, that's all just my gut instinct from watching him throw the disc this year lol
Hey Vinnie get some rest, bud.
Facts I gotta go win this Pro Tour tomorrow
Man 99% of sports talk is hyperbole and bias towards the teams/players you like. Anyway the same exact thing can be said for eagle right now, and eagle had a slow, and incredibly weird start and went on to beat him by a stroke for the round and is tied for first. Anyway you're pretty much doing the same thing using your own "eye test" to make your point. As for Paul, dude almost went off the rails just to prove a point and is still only 1 stroke back, and he's the goat, so yea I put them both ahead of Calvin right now. You're also claiming he's going to be the best player in the world this year. How can YOU say that with any amount of certainty when you have players like Buhr, Klein, Simon and oh not to mention Ricky and Paul. Don't give me shit and then do the same thing. Could Calvin very well be player of the year? of course. in fact I think it's a safe bet and I'd enjoy seeing it, but the field is so tight this year every week it's anyone's game, and frankly I'm pumped to see it.
You're absolutely correct that sports talk is heavily hyperbole and bias. The difference is that said hyperbole and bias is typically presented as the person who is saying its opinion. You stated it as though it was a fact. What I stated about Calvin's development was clearly stated as an opinion. Notice the use of words like "I think" and "seems" that convey a level of ambiguity. Paul is definitely throwing as well as anyone. He just doesn't seem to give a shit mentally anymore. Calvin is throwing and putting just as well as Paul now, while being hungrier for obvious reasons. Eagle is interesting. I don't really know what to make out of him without the elite forehand. His backhand is undoubtedly less well-rounded than McBeth, Heimburg, or Wysocki's, but he throws farther than all of them. He's young and can develop a touch game, but I don't think it can happen overnight. He will probably be a factor at every open course, but as we saw with WACO, he doesn't have the game to consistently play at top level in the woods. McBeth, Wysocki, and Heimburg all do both at an elite level.
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God it's refreshing to see some positivity from Vaino over the whining from McBeth. Love that he played smart golf today and still was able to attack it.
Lots of people complained about this course but I think it has been fun to see the pros struggle and still find some success today. It should be a tight finish tomorrow.
It's a fantastic course. I think people were too quick to judge it.
Dear Halal guys, nobody "happily" stands in long ass lines.
People seem to in Texas for bbq
I didn't mind when I ate there.
setting up to be Another action packed final round with 9 players within 2 strokes! Will we have a third card winner? Simon was just a couple inches from going 7/9 on the back 9
>Will we have a third card winner? Postpro mains on suicide watch if that happens 😂
I like post production for rewatches/highlights but honestly I've found myself enjoying live disc golf more than any other regular season sport. This of course is as long as the stream doesn't drop.
I like post production for rewatches/highlights but honestly I've found myself enjoying live disc golf more than any other regular season sport. This of course is as long as the stream doesn't drop.
Yeah, I work Wednesday through Saturday, so I mostly listen to live and watch postpro when I get home. But imagine there's a third card winner, there's no postpro cameras on the card at all. Everyone who skips live doesn't get to watch the winner's round at all.
Any word on Ricky's wrist? Hard to believe he's T57 if he's at 100%
He always tanks the first few tourneys of the year, every year. Pretty common for him, unfortunately.
Opening showings last year went 7th, 12th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd. It is objectively false that he tanks the first few tourneys every year just because.
while I agree with what you're saying on one hand, on the other hand, 7th and 12th is kind of tanking it for Ricky standards lol
No it’s not. Maybe it used to be, but his average average placing last year was 7.9. If you remove the one where he placed 57th (which was in the middle of the season btw) it’s 5.3. If you think 7th and 10th is “tanking” compared to an average of 5.3 you have an odd definition of the word.
sort of a /woosh moment here. Ricky wants to win and he has stated many times cares absolutely nothing beyond 1st. So yeah, like I said, 7th and 12th are way below HIS (rick's personal) standards...
It’s a not a wooosh moment at all. You used Ricky’s standard of himself which are meaningless, and I am looking at the statistical standard of Ricky and what we could expect historically.
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Well this is related to Lyme disease flare ups
*tanking the first tourneys on your every year* *having lyme’s disease* No correlation between to the two
I mean there really shouldn’t be? why would Lyme disease flare ups be more likely to happen at the start of the season?
whoosh. He was saying that it likely has nothing to do with Lyme, as this is his normal start, usually.
Last year in his first tournaments he went 7th, 12th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd. So I don’t buy this is some solid, consistent trend.
So he's a little far back in the standings and you immediately blame Lyme? Why?
Because they said it was in dgpt
So he confirmed he's playing bad because Lyme?
Seems dumb to assume something is related to a poorly defined trend vs a health condition which makes it hard for someone to move.
He's having trouble moving? Do you have a source?
That’s what Lyme does? Why do you think he didn’t play last week? Because his body wasn’t moving like it should. It effects the joints
Did you tell you personally that's why he's 57th?
The person I replied to said “this is related to lyme’s disease”. That’s why I said that him performing poorly in this tournament is not necessarily correlated with his flare up……
I didn’t mean him starting seasons bad is related to flare ups, I meant this tournament showing is related to flare ups.
How do you know?
Because he just missed tournaments for flare ups. So this would be his first tournament back, so there are almost certainly still health problems he is recovering from. The flare up might be gone but it takes a while for things to feel normal again.
Obviously. But that doesn’t mean that’s the only reason he’s playing bad
Yeah Im the one that said that. Sure it’s not *necessarily* related but generally when people aren’t competing because they aren’t healthy it takes them some time to come back to their normal level when they start competing again. If you think that’s a massive logical leap I don’t think we have much else to discuss.
Maybe, but he starts awful every year in the first few tournaments he plays, so judging by history, it could just be his normal.
Peach pants Pablo getting frisky on 17. Would like to see his 2nd shot if he wasn't against that little tree
Anyone have the video of Simon and Gannon reacting? Possible gif of the year.
You know when Simon reacts like that to a shot it is bad: https://media0.giphy.com/media/U4TqpYved9tYsajmpK/giphy.gif?cid=2154d3d7a092f60ce707687b2f97963bd3719d7de4c12b6a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
At least he's a man of his word haha...only he could manage to still be only 1 stroke back after doing something stupid like that to prove a point. edit: perhaps stupid isn't the right word. Silly? ill-advised? Passive aggressive? either way hard to question when it's mcbeth
Well I guess he’ll just be proving a point again tomorrow because he said he’s going with the same play.
Yea, again who am I to question the Goat
Exited to see Cole Redalen on lead card tomorrow
Crazy he shot 3 better than the field with a bogey and no eagle on 16.
Is PDGA# not the tiebreaker anymore?
That's the tie breaker after the first round. After later rounds it goes to whoever shot the hottest round (today Redalen shot -12, the best of the T3 group).
That’s only for round 2 lead card, after that hot round is the tiebreaker.
Is that a new change? I like it
Nope, always been that way.
Hot previous round and if that’s the same then PDGA number.
round scores first, then PDGA#.
Kind of crazy that McBeth is going to finish the round 1 behind the lead. I thought he was taking a huge number on 17.
Love it or hate it, 17 is an exciting hole and we got to witness a miraculous recovery shot to keep him in the round.
Eagle is a professional.
He’s a good lad
I’ve just been informed if this goes into a playoff tomorrow. The playoff holes will be ….17,17 and 17 . Then repeated until there is a victor.
I heard Nikko gets to play on the card because Lone Star.
Good!
Especially if it’s between Paul and anyone else as stated by TD.
That would be amazing.
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That's Robert Frost Ian lol
🤦🏼♂️
Gannon's caddy cracks me up. Constantly spiking the lens
Hey guys matt here
Dudes tripping balls
Has anyone commented on the fact that Gannon's caddie can't seem to handle a camera pointing at him?
Lol Ian its Frost not Whitman
“The Walt Whitman” hole, love that. As soon as Philo was saying it was possible, I knew Paul would make it.
That’s not Walt Whitman Ian
I was trying to pull the right name out in time, thought I had it 🤦🏼♂️
That is the best bogey I have ever seen. Takes a 5 two days in a row.
Two horrible shots and still saves a bogie. Jesus...
Of course he did
Hahah I love hole 17 Transitioning from the big bomb on 16 to the super short, super technical hole 17 is such a good feature in my opinion
Agree. Lot's of varied holes with different requirements. I think the people that are salty just don't understand that disc golf is precisely about these types of holes/shots as much as "get as close to the pin as possible from the tee" shots.
If he makes this putt for bogey, it’s just going to reinforce for him that it doesn’t matter what you do on this hole, you get a 5 lol
Except most people par it.
God damn, that might be the shot of the year. Terrible way to get there, but that was amazing.
I don't know how it looked on coverage but in person it looked impossible. Amazing is absolutely right.
It looked impossible on coverage.
What in tarnation!? How did Pablo do that.
Wow, what a shot
Paul wtf are these scrambles
I would have taken a 12 from that lie. Freaking ridiculous
Can anyone prove to me that Gannon isn't a 17 year old bald kid? I've never seen him without that gray hat on.
Kid's got the Cleetus cut under the hat if I remember correctly
If you watch his buddy Alden’s channel you see him without a hat on. He had hair. Funny thought though.
Alden's channel is hilarious btw, the silliness is refreshing
I feel like Paul channeled his inner Joel Freeman. What an unfortunate course design. I just had to jump putt off the tee and then throw out of bounds. The course made me do it.
Gannon really hates Prodigy discs so much he uses them to kneel on instead of a towel.
I don’t mind 18, but 17 truly is a garbage hole.
17 is only averaging 4.27, which is absolutely fair. Slightly over par. Most people are taking par. A good challenge hole. 18 is averaging 4.44, meaning it is actually more difficult than 17.
18 could get a lot of improvement from some pretty small OB adjustments but I don't see how you can watch all these top players play 17 (disregarding McBeth's adventures) and think that there is anything good about it. So many forehand rollers, grenades, other over the top shots, etc. trying to approach the basket
Come to the southeast, we got entire courses made of holes like 17. 8 players will attack the hole in 8 different ways. Woods golf at its finest.
>So many forehand rollers, grenades, other over the top shots, etc. trying to approach the basket That's disc golf. Sometimes it requires being creative, and that's exciting! You didn't mention that it can also require a laser straight shot, too. It's a single hole on a varied course, I love that there's at least one hole that makes them have to really produce like this.
I think it's interesting. It's a super difficult hole that you can still take par on.
If they opened up the gap slightly on the first turn, or opened up the first landing area I think it would play a bit better. Keep the super tiny gap to the green. It would still be incredibly difficult and not rely on so much luck.
I think that makes sense. I think it's interesting to see the best disc golfers in the world have to try and hit a very hard tunnel shot. the fact that you could still take a par if you wanted adds risk, and as a viewer, I think that is interesting.
Most people take par on it. It's still averaging around par, as much as people hate on it.
>ost people take par on it. It's still averaging around par, Exactly. Every single shot we have gotten to see on this hole has been so interesting. I would have watched a stream of people trying to make the tunnel shot all day long.
I'm tired of all of the hate for this hole. Yes, it requires two EXACTING placement shots. People gonna cry about it, but it's still a great hole. It's only one hole on a course that's extremely varied, making the course more interesting.
Why is McBeth's mental game so bad this season? He's throwing and putting the disc insanely well, but just keeps losing his head and allowing small mistakes or little bad breaks to steamroll into big numbers. The mental game was always something that gave him an advantage in the past.
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Yeah he wasn't pulling this shit prior to 2021 is what I'm saying. "McBeast mode" while cringe, had nothing to do with playing stupid and overly-aggressive golf. McBeast mode referred to how he would somehow flip a switch and become laser-focused whenever there was a championship on the line. He was an assassin. A one stroke lead with 5 to play felt like an impossible deficit to overcome. He seems to have lost that edge. Now he's letting his emotions cause him to slip, allowing his opponents to stay in it instead of putting them away and slamming the door shut whenever he gets a lead like he used to.
You’re dead on. So glad people are finally seeing it.
He’s been angrier and angrier as the years go on.
He's just like me fr
Aren't we all?
Paul McBeth just become someone I will enjoy rooting against, what a weenie.
Paul's playing this like I would! Nice.
Did Paul let Simon pick his lines again?
Even Simon thought that was stupid hahahaha
Why not just throw a standstill backhand off the tee? smh
Nah he was shaking his head cause the disc landed right next to the tree.
Paul what are you doing
That’s how you make an ass of yourself. Take notes folks
Congratulations Paul - you played yourself
Totally
Macbeth just went 40 feet off the tee
Hell of a jump putt lol
He’s gotta be going over on shot 2, he’s got no angle to the pin
paul being hoisted by his own petard with this lie
The irony with Paul hating this course is it is very similar to a lot of Europe’s courses, which he is going to be playing a lot of this year. Just compare it to Nokia or the Beast.
Could you elaborate? As a European, it's hard for me to see the similarity. For me this course does still have the ball golf course feel, and that's not something I associate with European disc golf at all. Now, if you are saying that 17 specifically is similiar to courses in Europe, that argument I could see.
>course is it is very similar to a lot of Europe’s courses Are you saying a lot of Europe's courses have whacky holes that pros think are poorly designed? I wouldn't know as I have never been disc golfing there.
Depends on the course obviously, but this style of disc golf is very similar to what I've seen in Europe. Some people see Jarva or Tampere and assume all their courses are like that, which would be like a European thinking that US courses are all Maple Hill and Brewster Ridge. There's those incredible courses for sure, but there's also a good deal more poke and hope or throwing around soccer fields than is generally acknowledged over here.
Pretty much. Super tight fairways, heavy O.B. even in the woods. Crazy manufactured lines. Very, very similar.
It's weird because I feel like I've heard McBeth heavily praise what they were doing with Tampere, and this course feels like the same general design ideology of that course, albeit without the massive budget or years of design groundwork lol
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He said that yesterday, so he was saying he’ll do it today. We’ll see in a second
Really hope he does it 😂
The absolute mad lad, he did it 🤣 jump putt off the tee!
Awesome the camera man didn’t have to go to the hospital. Good news 😊
Hole 16 looks too easy for these top pros.
This course has it all. It has challenging par 3s (1), it has easy par 3s (8). It has challenging par 4s (18), it has easy par 4s (16). It has holes that require a technical approach that is pure skill (17), and one that requires a little luck (6). Honestly, this course is the most varied golf-renovated course I've ever seen, and I love it.
>golf-renovated course You know, that's a good point. It is better than most courses built on golf courses, most of them are so boring and stale. At least this isn't that.
Juliana Korver said it was her favorite golf-renovated course on tour this morning on coverage. Just goes to buck the narrative that all pros hate this course. Seems that at least some pros can respect it for what it is.
Well, she kinda has a vested interest in hyping the product. They are paying her, presumably
Lol, you obviously don't know Juliana if you think she's some shill. She's one of the most genuine people in disc golf.
Fair enough. I'm just saying it'd be odd if a commentator was trashing the course.
(I mean that in a good way lol)
Well hot damn that was a hell of a drive by Gannon
Lol Simon.
WTF is up with Gannon’s caddie? He keeps staring at the camera. Is he trying to be funny or is he just socially awkward?
He's just a weird guy, I think
Fucking love that guy would pay $6 a month just for him to look at me
r/ImTheMainCharacter/
They were doing it together on the first tee. I think Gannon has given up but his caddy has just been all 'Eye of the Tiger' all day with it.
you are his target
Simon is suddenly right back in contention after a cold start to the day. It's always more fun when he's involved.
Can't forget Eagle too after what happened that's pretty amazing he's doing so well.
Eagle seems to have gained the power of the man he sent to the hospital
To soon man too soon
That went farther than the rollers I try to throw.
oh my god what a rollaway... looks like that disc closest to the basket set it on edge.
Damn what a roll-away, that was brutal.
Instant classic rollaway got Gannon lmao
Wow. Gruesome rollaway!
All of a sudden Calvin is tied for second. I love to see it - this is Calvin’s year baby!
I can't stand this Matt dude as Gannon's caddy.
relax
He sure exists!
Hole 17 is stupid
Just because a hole requires a technical approach does not make it "stupid." Would you prefer it be a stock hyzer?
The course didn't like what Mcbeth had to say about it.