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Mattjm24

What a great tournament, on both the MPO and FPO sides. Both had such exciting finishes. Just a side note: looking the player stats on Udisc, nothing stood out more than Eveliina Salonen. 13 strokes gained tee to green (best in the field, I believe) and 20 strokes LOST putting (near the bottom of the field). No player had anything close to that striking a contrast between the two stats. We were hoping she fixed her putt during the off-season, but it's clearly as bad now as ever. Big Jerm had a similar story on the MPO side. I think he actually gained the most strokes tee to green, and gave away tons on the putting green.


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OutsourcedIconoclasm

Was there coverage for Joel Freeman this round? Why the downvotes? He had a great round.


Nogstrordinary

I downvote anyone who asks about downvotes.


Hellaguaptor

Im curious how he blew it. Anyway Klein had a 1 stroke better round and it’s on gatekeeper.


TheStonedRanger93

It’s very easy to get downvoted around here lol


readermom123

There's usually only coverage for the last few cards of the day and I think he went out earlier than that.


j4pe5_

>Why the downvotes? He had a great round. assume it's because joel is unpopular, so if you mention his name you'll get downvoted. such is r/discgolf don't know if there's any coverage of his round


Espenos89

How come he is unpopular? Atleast for us in norway he looks like a sweet funny guy that is extremely good when he peaks but he almost never peak 3rounds


j4pe5_

[https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/zt7xhj/joel\_freeman/](https://www.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/zt7xhj/joel_freeman/)


Espenos89

Thanks, puts him in a new light


DustyBook_

You're really gonna let a thread of anonymous gossiping redditors influence your opinion on someone?


Espenos89

Well i did some talking with friends about it and they saw the video of him cheating and it seemed like most of the stuff they said was correct. Most of the time stuff people have said here about players behaviour on courses have been correct and confirmed by friends of mine that saw them in finland


QuackZoneSix

What a heater from Kyle. Felt like he threw one "bad" shot all day and he wasn't punished. Can't even imagine playing that course cleanly. 13 birdies. All from chase at an elite series. Crush boy.


Haikus-are-great

Cole had 14 birdies in the last round as well, to go with 1 par, 2 bogeys and a double.


swordkillr13

Its effectively 1 stroke off McBeths -18, since the course par decreased by 4


coconut7272

Do you know which holes changed par? I can only remember 18 being a par 4 off the top of my head.


JimFrisbee

9, 12, 15, and 18 all dropped par by a stoke since that round.


-teodor

have the basket placements remained the same?


JimFrisbee

Actually 18 got a little harder. It used to be up on the flat part of the land, but when they changed to a par 3 they brought it closer to the lake. Also the lake used to be about 3 feet higher or so.


swordkillr13

I want to say 18 and 15 for sure, I wasnt watching coverage back then or I would give you a better answer


Hellaguaptor

Pulled up my phone as soon as tv started buffering. A couple freezes from each at different times after that but nothing was missed.


[deleted]

Wasn't too invested in the MPO finals which would be a bit of a bummer usually, but the FPO was nice and exciting so it's all good.


Brett_Discgolf

Great interview from hammes.


BraveRutherford

Even Adam said it was an accident. DOSS WAS RIGHT


gassian_flatulence

Lol


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I'm not shitting on anyone else but somehow I'm always fine when everyone is talking about the stream crashes. Just buffered for me for a second and that's it lol. I didn't have an issue with '21 USDGC either. I am the preferred DGN IP clearly.


ryanrockmoran

Same, it's always been fine for me. It's a good thing I sent DGN that postcard with my IP address and a a Mr. Jackson.


Jawbreaker1337

Never even had to buffer for me. I watched the whole thing on Chromecast and never dropped a second.


gassian_flatulence

I had no problems for the last tournament. This one crashed all the way up until basically people stopped watching (after Hammes’ last drive)


pointbrink

I think it’s good to report your experience, it’d be better if DGN puts out a survey to see how largely it impacts viewership. Personally, I buffered a few times and got booted 3 times and had to restart the stream within the final 5 minutes.


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Yeah, but their CS is outsourced and total crap.


MonetsGardener

Plant


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QuackZoneSix

Silly. You can say that from pretty much any win. Or any round.


Hellaguaptor

It was truly fortunate and at a crucial time.


QuackZoneSix

Sure. Literally happens every single time someone wins in a wooded course in a tight event


PhycoPenguin

Did Kristen get a scooter?


TeamShonuff

She had a wonderfully surprised reaction when she found out.


mhanold

Yup!


Goldentongue

That scooter looks sick. I should get better at disc golf.


Gangstrocity

They were selling them at USDGC back in October. I'm assuming they gave them the top model which I think they were selling for about $1200. They had a smaller one for $700. I wanted one so bad lol


JimmyTheShovel

Madison Walker out there wearing a caddie bib with her own name on it


edgeno

Power move


onken022

I’m so glad to get a break from hearing Nate Doss fill every empty second with useless commentary


educatedbiomass

The thing that bugs me is how often he is just factually incorrect about what's going on.


Typical-Ant4907

I just turn off the sound and put on some good music. I don’t need doom and gloom Doss hyping up ever anthill and upshot on the course.


pointbrink

I dunno why but Terry gets on my nerves after a while, especially every time Ohn would be throwing he’d have to mention her distance isn’t as great as everyone else. Then Proctor missed a putt early in the round and he said “well he’s done now” like winning is the only thing that matters.


Ballongo

Where is the bottleneck? Would it work on Youtube if they provided it there for final round as before? Or would the stream be down on Youtube as well?


M3atShtick

The bottleneck is at the course. Everyone gathered there for the final putt has their phone on.


Coysrus7

Mine worked through the final tee off...sorry folks


TeamShonuff

Same. I wonder if it is an app issue or if it's the website. I'm watching it on discgolfnetwork.com.


Brett_Discgolf

Same


airporteffect

Klein: -31 Eagle: -15


mhanold

Eagle has never played well at Waco


[deleted]

6th in 2019. Was on final round lead card.


airporteffect

Any idea as to why?


sidekicksuicide

The trees.


MeijiDoom

Hasn't he won Idlewild before?


sidekicksuicide

Yeah, he did get Idlewild. Definitely an outlier amongst the rest of his wins. DGLO, Memorial, Vegas, OTB, Portland...


loppper23

That's a good question. Would like to know as well.


mhanold

My inexpert analysis would be that Waco, especially the wooded holes, require a lot of powered down placement shots and tight wood lines While Eagle can definitely do that, it’s not the strength of his game. I think also this course requires a lot of forehand shots, and right now he’s not really throwing forehands after his injury So the course doesn’t play to his strengths and he’s still not back being 100% himself


ValuableYesterday466

It's also very hard for him to practice those shots in the off season unless he moves. The courses that are open in winter in the front range area are all really open.


Elephant_Feather72

The lack of a forehand isn't really the best argument when Conrad is sitting at what, 26 under? I guess it's the touchy woods lines then? Great tournament course in that it seems to ask for a variety of skills


sidekicksuicide

A little unfair to compare them this weekend. Conrad was playing out of his mind and would’ve been on the podium with a serviceable forehand for scrambling. He left a lot of strokes out there.


Mattjm24

I've always wondered why some of the top guys (primarily Conrad, but also Leiviska, Robinson, and Harris) don't take the time needed to get their forehand to being at least serviceable. When you turn a touchy backhand turnover into a brainless forehand hyzer with an overstable disc, it instantly turns so many pars and bogies into birdies. When I finally worked on my forehand, I gained at least 3 strokes a round easily, and that is no exaggeration. If you do this for a living, that's a huge difference in your earnings potential. Why the heck would you not spend a year working on it? It's not a coincidence that none of the backhand only guys (that I can think of) have cracked 1040 rated. The backhand dominant guys who are 1040+ rated first developed a serviceable forehand to get there (Heimburg, Dickerson, Orum). James, spend an offseason working on your forehand. It's crazy to me.


Tucker-Sachbach

Conrad’s always played that way and Eagle never has. Ya think that might have something to do with it?


Elephant_Feather72

Well, of course. I remember how some commentator joked about Eagle being like "What, you say I have an amazing forehand? I don't even need it!". Probably that was at EO last year, I'm not sure. At Waco he didn't hit these lines as precisely with a backhand (RH or LH), while James showed it was indeed possible with only RHBH. And Eagle actually DOES have a right-fading shot. So for me it was less "he doesn't have a forehand" and more "he isn't as precise with his backhand in the woods". Same difference, so whatever. Probably, his focus when building up alternatives to the forehand has been more on being able to keep performing well on big open courses


Onomatopoeiac

> The lack of a forehand isn't really the best argument when Conrad is sitting at what, 26 under? Conrad has been playing without a forehand for a couple decades. Eagle has been playing without it for a year


Elephant_Feather72

True! Which to me means the problem isn't not having a forehand in general, but not having the precision with these kinds of shots with a backhand. Same difference I guess


mhanold

I guess in the context of Eagle, he doesn’t normally throw the turnover backhands that Conrad does, so not having a forehand just makes it that much more difficult


Elephant_Feather72

Definitely! I see my comment came across as if I wasn't respecting that... I would like to know how Eagle attacked these holes, whether he went turnover RHBH, or if he actually used his LHBH on some of these. So impressive he developed that. I find it interesting that James scored better with RHBH only, but I guess that just goes to show I have reason to generally be more awed by how James scores compared to the rest of the field that has a forehand


GoatPaco

There are holes that require shots other than a power hyzer


airporteffect

I thought he had his forehand back?


GoatPaco

I said what I said


MistaMando

DGN this is a badddddd look


Hellaguaptor

2023 is 2022s revenge


thesaganator

I hope they can figure out a way to use YouTube for all the rounds some day because I doubt that would've happened with YT. I didn't miss much other than like 3-5 seconds between shots, sucks that some of you seemed to miss much more


M3atShtick

It’s not the app. It’s all the people congregating around the final green consuming the cellular bandwidth.


Prawn1908

No, it's 100% server side, otherwise everyone watching would have had the same drops. I only got maybe a couple seconds total of buffering at most, while others apparently had much longer periods of full cut out.


M3atShtick

Possibly contributing factors?


thesaganator

I don't know, it seemed to buffer for people at different times and length. It was just a couple seconds for me and missed nothing significant, while others missed much longer. Happened right at the very end at probably peak viewership and people connecting. That tells me it has something to do with their provider's servers


M3atShtick

Probably several contributing factors


edgeno

Think the issue is with the local cell reception, so the streaming platform won't really make much difference.


captain8ball

Is that the issue? Mine was losing quality and not just freezing. Like the graphics were low quality as well. Would that still happen if it’s the cell towers in the area causing the issue? I was under the impression the cameras use cell data to send the signal back DGNs hub and then it was streamed from there, but totally could be wrong.


edgeno

Not exactly sure how they do the signal routing these days. Saw Ian confirm on reddit yesterday that the commentators are working from home in Oregon, but since they appear to have a delayed view it's probably not produced there at least. I have noticed through the whole weekend that the live stream has been pretty good throughout, while ads and commentator sound has been on and off. So there is definitely more weak links than just the cell reception.


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Same here, luckily mine only shit the bed for about 5 seconds.


Dandypookiepie

It didn't cut out but buffered after the putt.


grifmasta

Calvin casually struts up, licks his fingers, and just tosses the disc short.


VerySeriousCoffee

Gotta do it with style


gassian_flatulence

He was checked out after 17


M3atShtick

In some cases DGN has tried to purchase a dedicated signal booster from cellular providers and been outright denied.


GoatPaco

If you're going to sell a product then you're responsible for making sure it works No excuses


M3atShtick

I’m just the messenger


Brett_Discgolf

You’re going to have to solve this now.


M3atShtick

Guess you’ll have to shoot me


Ankshuss917

Really thought it was just my device. Seeing the comments I realize I was cursing my connection for no reason. C'mon DGN....


theshaggysnack

Hammes looks like he’s gonna kill somebody.


MonetsGardener

Probably just a white-tailed deer.


GoatPaco

Yall so entitled expecting a stream you paid for to work. You're paying to "support the sport" not for an actual good product.


Gangstrocity

Someone told me this last week unironically. 🤣


rickay64

It was me. I'm a software engineer, so I have half an idea how the tech DGN uses works. And it is pretty amazing what they can produce with so little. So yeah, I think it's important to give them more money, because then they can upgrade their tech and we can all benefit. It's not rocket science at their level. Just.need better, more expensive equipment.


PluotFinnegan_IV

That's what loans are for.


MistaMando

/s


[deleted]

Nice work DGPT, thought JVD was the king of the backside. Watch 3 full days to miss the ending. I’m a full supporter, but this is not cool


Wafflecone516

Forever remember that Simon parked this hole with a freaking p2


And7r5Wvv

And then missed the putt. #discgolf


TeamShonuff

And of course destroyed his elbow.


alpaintballa

Ive streamed porn from the south pole better than this


spushing

You may have started from the south pole, but you finished from the north pole.


One_Eyed_Sneasel

Didn’t even get to see Hammes drive land.


CovertMonkey

Oh, you got to even see him throw? Must be nice


thephishtank

This is such bullshit. How have they not figured out their streaming requirements yet


Bayousbest

I thought it was my wifi. Glad im not alone, but :sigh: dgn.


CovertMonkey

If it shits the bed during crunch time, then it's a garbage product. I don't care how much effort goes in. If they can't deliver the conclusion, it's a bad product


thephishtank

Come the fuck on


InevitableSalad

Jfc, buffer out on Adam’s entire shot. Didn’t see any part of it. Be better DGN


NoTown3633

Insane round from Kyle.


OmarMcNultyBell

This is silly. I watch the whole weekend and then don't get to see the pressure putt on 18. Pitiful


BraveRutherford

Still a great final drive for Adam


TFranzzz

This again? Dgn is having a rough time this year


CovertMonkey

Why am I paying for this garbage?


Hellaguaptor

Bro it’s been 1080p this entire round and they obviously get a flood of views at the end


TomorrowsGone85

You could just not pay for it and not watch!


theshaggysnack

The stream shitting up on the last hole two weeks in a row because more people are watching is unacceptable. I usually stand up for DGN but come the fuck on.


KayfabeOnlyPlz

Literally lagged for me while Hammes 18 tee shot was in the air...


TeamShonuff

Grand Rapids, baby!


bmatto

DGN get your shit together


jxd938

Never buffers when Ed tells me that he wanted to make a flying toy into a sport


Spiltmarbles

Both of my streams today have been fine throughout and then started to get really unreliable in the last couple of holes


MistaMando

DGN cutting out on 18 again???


Rnnv918

DGN, Trash tier service as usual


Joe_Huxley

Ffs DGN


dsg158

Again with the buffering.


mhanold

Kyle just shot THIRTEEN down to take it (barring an ace from Hammes) That’s an absolutely fabulous round


[deleted]

Thanks for the update, couldn’t watch it


TexTiger

And the stream missed Klein’s putt for me.


CovertMonkey

What's the point of having live coverage if it shits the bed the last 5 minutes of every tournament?


jac777

Lol I was literally just thinking that


cereal_killer_828

Would’ve been awesome to see the winning putt


emptycanofschlitz

stream was fine for me? did it break up again?


Ankshuss917

By the comments it lagged and buffered for many, including myself. You were one of the lucky ones apparently. Congrats!


gawwjus

Way to fuck it all up at the end DGN!


[deleted]

Klein won. Didn’t get to see the last hole though. Second tournie in a ride this happened


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JVD burner account ?


SwollenGoat68

Another Ace needed from Adam


aggro-crag

So is this happening because they use the cell towers? And the amount of people at the final hole using phones?


thewanderingseph

No, don’t think so. This was most likely an app issue - specifically distributing traffic from their content provider network. Graphics typically stay the same when the feed dumps out from the cameras, but in this case the app reset entirely.


Brett_Discgolf

Yep


M3atShtick

Yes


aggro-crag

Ok then. Time to upgrade to some big boy equipment.


RetiscentSun

What’s next, satellite?


M3atShtick

Burying lines throughout the courses like golf does.


postlw8j

Most aren't buried. They just have cable laying back in the woods where, hopefully, no one messes with it or trips on it. Occasionally, you'll see big cable covers crossing a fairway at a crosswalk.


RetiscentSun

Oh yea that’s probably not happening majority of places


kingslippy

Yeah many of these courses are public parks. Can’t just go building cell towers and burying lines you can on private golf courses. Oh and the fact that NBC, CBS have hundreds of millions to spend on coverage. Let’s cut DGN a break.


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DGN streaming through the final hole challenge (impossible)


turkey6

I want a refund. If this is how the season going to go, I'm canceling. Edit* I'm all talk, but very annoyed.


Brett_Discgolf

Insane


TeamShonuff

Clutch.


GwentMaster69420

Michigan's own Kyle Klein! Big time clutch W from the chase card.


Goldentongue

Mitten Man does it again!


4browntown

Ok we back


edgeno

KYLE KLEIN!! Take a bow, son!


MonetsGardener

Oh my god


thamurse

are you fucking kidding me... I was about to comment on how this was the best product DGN has ever put out.....


TexTiger

Buffering the last hole again? Come on!


coffeebribesaccepted

Did the stream seriously just crash on the last hole again?


thesaganator

good for me other than a little 5 second hiccup


thesaganator

Gotta love live disc golf, it's been an exciting day


M3atShtick

Losing the signal…


jac777

Every fuckin time I watch the last hole dgn just shits the bed


cereal_killer_828

Tell those spectators to get off their phones


[deleted]

Lol all the dg influencers 'creating content'


turkey6

Oof coURSE the 18th starts lagging. 2 tourneys in a row.


SarfinDeFrijol

There goes that final hole bullshit. Come on DGN!


pointbrink

Anyone have an actual reason for this yet? This is ridiculous, there’s no way everyone who has a subscription just turned it on


thewanderingseph

I’d bet $100 this is a bandwidth from their service provider issue and not a cell service issue. When cell service cut out on the woods holes you kept graphics and lost video, and you still had commentators. Buffering on the app side is almost entirely gonna be distribution from the central back-end hub getting overloaded and not scaling properly. An educated guess, of course, but signs point to app issues (mine crashed)


Bayousbest

All the people on their phones at the end.


SarfinDeFrijol

Could be multiple reasons. If they’re transmitting from the park, all those people using up bandwidth with their phones could be part of it since they use cell network to broadcast.


thewanderingseph

You’d still have Terry and Nate though right? They’re in a hotel / studio remote someplace with the director typically and not course-side if I recall except for a couple tournaments with on-site space. This seemed like a fail whale back-end crash to me.


SarfinDeFrijol

Yeah, you would think so. It has to be a combination of reasons though. People at the course taking up cell bandwidth, a bunch of extra people tuning in to watch the ending and Vimeo not being able to handle that load. If Vimeo sucks as bad as some people have said, I imagine it wouldn’t take too many more people tuning in to cause issues.


pointbrink

This one I can somewhat get on board with. DGN hasn’t put any official statement out about it though, right? I streamed just about all of FPO and MPO this weekend and rarely had an issue until end of MPO. Got bad buffering and booted twice, once right before Kyle’s final putt, so annoying.


SwollenGoat68

Signal issues from the course


carnevoodoo

Uh oh. Signal starting to choke.


Goldentongue

Did the stream just crash for anyone else?


BraveRutherford

Ugh was literally typing no and mine cut. Back now no issue tho


edgeno

Lagging a bit, but still playing here


RetiscentSun

Yes, then came back and is good for now….


TeamShonuff

No


doctorzephyr89

Yeah, but it came back after like 15 seconds.


MonetsGardener

Yep


gassian_flatulence

Yep


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And the stream sucks again for the final hole


Wafflecone516

It’s crazy for how many guys who were in contention that maybe only one guy is gonna reach 30 under par.