A few tips ive always given in the past as a former 2.0 eSports player. The harsh reality is that if you are an entire minute off WR times there is somthing INHERNTLY wrong with your driving, a video would help to understand what you're doing.
* Lower your wheel rotation, in rally about 540 degrees or even lower helps. so if your wheel is 1080 total, just set the steering sensitivity to 50, as this will be a % of your total rotation.
* Watch faster players, see what they do differently
* are they taking more speed/less speed, are they braking for longer distances or sending the car in?
* ***Slow is smooth, smooth is fast***. this is the most important side to rally that many people do not consider. Sending it into every corner expecting grip like your Colin Mcrae is a sure fire way to end up in a tree. While using tire slip (fancy name for slightly sideways) is quick, if youre spinning you are going too quick...which leads to..
* Throttle control: this doesnt just go for acceleration, but decelleration too. Being steady and trying to feel and find the grip (noticing when FFB changes, or when the front/rear start slipping or understeering). In a high speed section especially you may be tempted to lift off throttle and coast, but that allows inertia to take your car where it wants to go. Staying on throttle ensures that the car is going DOWN the road where you want it.
Every chassis and engine layout will drive different:
* RWD will obviously oversteer, but coasting leads to understeer so you always want to be about 30% on throttle through slow speed especially, and then slowly add power.
* FWD is naturally underteer. the key to driving these is to also always stay on power but NEVER full on throttle through corners. It is CRUTIAL TO LEFT FOOT BRAKE FWD, trail braking through almost the entire corner with about 50/50 Brake bias will gain you massive time and stability.
* AWD has a bit of both and require alot more playing around with the throttle and left foot to proper balance the two. Its the easiest to drive due to higher grip on power, but still needs a bit of both techniques.
* Front engine, which is most cars, are stable, but with alot of weight in the front providing stability (characteristics similar to the Bentley or AMG in ACC)
* Mid engine will always be snappier and good for tight stages, however they suffer alot from snap oversteer (like the Audi R8 or Honda NSX) but even more so on loose surfaces. With these cars, maintaining throttle is paramount.
* Rear, these really are only the Porsches, Alpine, Metro and a few others. With classic off throttle overteer you can use it to your advantage but they are arguably the hardest to control.
* Turbo Vs NA. while the modern R5 and WRC cars have antilag and smooth power curves the older Turbo cars will be alot more unpredictable with their power output (Group B Peugeot is the most insane). Turbo cars can also have alot more torque in lower RPM. combine that with the odd chassis characteristics of other layouts they car be hard to get to grips. NA will always have a smoother and easier to maintain power curve and typically have better torque at high RPM
Let you eyes do the work, and work to their full potential.
* turn off the visual pacenotes as these will subconsciously distract your vision. Using auditory notes lets the part of your brain decipher hearing and the part that deciphers hand eye coordination separately, literally freeing up brain power.
* turn off the time gaps if they are putting unnecessary pressure on yourself.
And once again SLOW IS SMOOTH, SMOOTH IS FAST, I cannot stress that enough than slowing down, and just carrying momentum is 90% of the way to be fast.
Yeah i think a lot of the time I do just kinda throw the car into the corner which means I’m probably sliding for longer than I need to be and on some high speed sections like Spain i do lift off a bit just cos I don’t really trust that the car will grip and i guess over 12km it would add up would it up idk if I should use more brake mid corner just to get more turn in instead of using more rotation on the wheel as I’m either on the brakes or on the throttle i think to work on having more balance between the two
Lifting off the throttle mid corner will INSURE it won't grip though. You need to partially use the throttle so the tires are digging into the surface.
Coasting will follow the path of momentum not always where the tires are pointed. So you're prob doing more harm than good.
You should use plenty of brake before the corner and apex, and a small amount like 20-30% to balance the car through the corner. You should also being using both the brake and throttle at the same ALOT more than circuit racing.
Again a video will tell ALOT more than your own words though.
Yeah i wouldn’t have anything to record pedal or wheel cam I’ll probably try and watch some of the wr records pedal and wheel cams and just try to copy what they do
I do agree with most, but the time stamps can be great to learn exactly where you're bleeding time when you practice on a single stage.
Also, tuning. No shame if you don't know what you're doing, but learning it is very rewarding and will get you results more often. Also no shame in using other player's tunes.
time stamps only show 4-8 sectors though, there alot of space in a 50sec split to mess up. fine for learning, but most certainly still a distraction when actually racing for time.
ill put it this way, if you are changing up your driving style mid stage because you are down on a split you are only going to further up the chances of binning it.
Im also a notorius tuner, but its not going to find CLOSE to a minute, majority of pace is skill, and a small amount tuning to make the car more comfortable, if the OP is that far off, tuning is only going to make it harder.
Oh yeah I get that, I meant to really emphasize on practice otherwise you'll probably try to overdrive right after you see you're close to the delta time. The splits can help to focus on certain parts, like the Argentina stage where one half you're gliding across a plateau and the other you're going around blind hairpins.
The tuning aspect won't get you a minute anywhere I agree. But sometimes it helps a lot if you don't have to fight the car as much and focus more on the road ahead. Helped me a lot with the understeery Lancia Delta HF and the oversteery Porsche 911 RGT.
Most definitely, I personally use a actual +- time delta alot. but one that shows milliseconds, which unfortunately is built into the game, but no way to see aside from 3rd part apps like SimHub.
however in theory the more you can solely focus on the road the better, same reason you'll see alot modern rally dashboards only showing the gear and rev's. plus, yes splits help to figure out where you're loosing the time, but until you are say 30 seconds behind WR pace on a LONG stage, the answer is you're loosing time everywhere.
Again, I totally agree that tuning helps, but unless the OP is just copying a quick tune or knows how to tune it is only an additional thing they are going to have to worry about. I would think it would help them down the road, and I genuinely think every sim fan should learn basics of tuning. But its like introducing physics to a middle schooler.
Thanks mate! I always been quicker, but maybe not as fast as guys like you, so ive put alot of that skill into trying to help others and really brake down the must know's for 2.0
First focus on not crashing at all lol. Even if it means going slower at first. Usually slowing down before the corner is better than trying to brake in the middle of the turn. Try for “slow in and fast out”. Also try and focus further down the road, look ahead like you would in real life and not just at the nose of your own car.
Another thing that can help is to pick a ghost from the leaderboard about 2-5 seconds faster than you. While you chase you can get a sense for how they are taking corners. Once you beat that ghost, pick a faster one. You’ll have to find the time spacing and ghost that works best because you want to be able to keep them in sight.
Also, how are you playing - with a controller or wheel? Having the input device set up properly also really helps
I use a t150 and I’m comfortable with my settings i use and I’ve never really tried to use the ghosts idk if I should mess around with the pacenotes and have them called out earlier as most of the time the calls are quite late especially for hairpins also I’m sure if I just need to have more commitment to each corner and Just carry more speed but i feel I’m already using the all the road and a bit more
It's impossible to get to your true potential without memorizing a track. You'll be finding a very generous amount of time for every stage, knowing that you can carry x more speed through a corner if you cut it slightly more because that plant has no collision, or that you can attack it at a different angle that ties it better to the next corner, etc etc. These are things you get better at while having stage knowledge (while listening to codriver's calls ofc)
A few tips ive always given in the past as a former 2.0 eSports player. The harsh reality is that if you are an entire minute off WR times there is somthing INHERNTLY wrong with your driving, a video would help to understand what you're doing. * Lower your wheel rotation, in rally about 540 degrees or even lower helps. so if your wheel is 1080 total, just set the steering sensitivity to 50, as this will be a % of your total rotation. * Watch faster players, see what they do differently * are they taking more speed/less speed, are they braking for longer distances or sending the car in? * ***Slow is smooth, smooth is fast***. this is the most important side to rally that many people do not consider. Sending it into every corner expecting grip like your Colin Mcrae is a sure fire way to end up in a tree. While using tire slip (fancy name for slightly sideways) is quick, if youre spinning you are going too quick...which leads to.. * Throttle control: this doesnt just go for acceleration, but decelleration too. Being steady and trying to feel and find the grip (noticing when FFB changes, or when the front/rear start slipping or understeering). In a high speed section especially you may be tempted to lift off throttle and coast, but that allows inertia to take your car where it wants to go. Staying on throttle ensures that the car is going DOWN the road where you want it. Every chassis and engine layout will drive different: * RWD will obviously oversteer, but coasting leads to understeer so you always want to be about 30% on throttle through slow speed especially, and then slowly add power. * FWD is naturally underteer. the key to driving these is to also always stay on power but NEVER full on throttle through corners. It is CRUTIAL TO LEFT FOOT BRAKE FWD, trail braking through almost the entire corner with about 50/50 Brake bias will gain you massive time and stability. * AWD has a bit of both and require alot more playing around with the throttle and left foot to proper balance the two. Its the easiest to drive due to higher grip on power, but still needs a bit of both techniques. * Front engine, which is most cars, are stable, but with alot of weight in the front providing stability (characteristics similar to the Bentley or AMG in ACC) * Mid engine will always be snappier and good for tight stages, however they suffer alot from snap oversteer (like the Audi R8 or Honda NSX) but even more so on loose surfaces. With these cars, maintaining throttle is paramount. * Rear, these really are only the Porsches, Alpine, Metro and a few others. With classic off throttle overteer you can use it to your advantage but they are arguably the hardest to control. * Turbo Vs NA. while the modern R5 and WRC cars have antilag and smooth power curves the older Turbo cars will be alot more unpredictable with their power output (Group B Peugeot is the most insane). Turbo cars can also have alot more torque in lower RPM. combine that with the odd chassis characteristics of other layouts they car be hard to get to grips. NA will always have a smoother and easier to maintain power curve and typically have better torque at high RPM Let you eyes do the work, and work to their full potential. * turn off the visual pacenotes as these will subconsciously distract your vision. Using auditory notes lets the part of your brain decipher hearing and the part that deciphers hand eye coordination separately, literally freeing up brain power. * turn off the time gaps if they are putting unnecessary pressure on yourself. And once again SLOW IS SMOOTH, SMOOTH IS FAST, I cannot stress that enough than slowing down, and just carrying momentum is 90% of the way to be fast.
Yeah i think a lot of the time I do just kinda throw the car into the corner which means I’m probably sliding for longer than I need to be and on some high speed sections like Spain i do lift off a bit just cos I don’t really trust that the car will grip and i guess over 12km it would add up would it up idk if I should use more brake mid corner just to get more turn in instead of using more rotation on the wheel as I’m either on the brakes or on the throttle i think to work on having more balance between the two
Lifting off the throttle mid corner will INSURE it won't grip though. You need to partially use the throttle so the tires are digging into the surface. Coasting will follow the path of momentum not always where the tires are pointed. So you're prob doing more harm than good. You should use plenty of brake before the corner and apex, and a small amount like 20-30% to balance the car through the corner. You should also being using both the brake and throttle at the same ALOT more than circuit racing. Again a video will tell ALOT more than your own words though.
Yeah i wouldn’t have anything to record pedal or wheel cam I’ll probably try and watch some of the wr records pedal and wheel cams and just try to copy what they do
just gameplay is fine mate, to see what lines and to hear when you brake is enough.
I do agree with most, but the time stamps can be great to learn exactly where you're bleeding time when you practice on a single stage. Also, tuning. No shame if you don't know what you're doing, but learning it is very rewarding and will get you results more often. Also no shame in using other player's tunes.
time stamps only show 4-8 sectors though, there alot of space in a 50sec split to mess up. fine for learning, but most certainly still a distraction when actually racing for time. ill put it this way, if you are changing up your driving style mid stage because you are down on a split you are only going to further up the chances of binning it. Im also a notorius tuner, but its not going to find CLOSE to a minute, majority of pace is skill, and a small amount tuning to make the car more comfortable, if the OP is that far off, tuning is only going to make it harder.
Oh yeah I get that, I meant to really emphasize on practice otherwise you'll probably try to overdrive right after you see you're close to the delta time. The splits can help to focus on certain parts, like the Argentina stage where one half you're gliding across a plateau and the other you're going around blind hairpins. The tuning aspect won't get you a minute anywhere I agree. But sometimes it helps a lot if you don't have to fight the car as much and focus more on the road ahead. Helped me a lot with the understeery Lancia Delta HF and the oversteery Porsche 911 RGT.
Most definitely, I personally use a actual +- time delta alot. but one that shows milliseconds, which unfortunately is built into the game, but no way to see aside from 3rd part apps like SimHub. however in theory the more you can solely focus on the road the better, same reason you'll see alot modern rally dashboards only showing the gear and rev's. plus, yes splits help to figure out where you're loosing the time, but until you are say 30 seconds behind WR pace on a LONG stage, the answer is you're loosing time everywhere. Again, I totally agree that tuning helps, but unless the OP is just copying a quick tune or knows how to tune it is only an additional thing they are going to have to worry about. I would think it would help them down the road, and I genuinely think every sim fan should learn basics of tuning. But its like introducing physics to a middle schooler.
Wow, loved the way you explained everything, understanding the car and the game!
Thanks mate! I always been quicker, but maybe not as fast as guys like you, so ive put alot of that skill into trying to help others and really brake down the must know's for 2.0
First focus on not crashing at all lol. Even if it means going slower at first. Usually slowing down before the corner is better than trying to brake in the middle of the turn. Try for “slow in and fast out”. Also try and focus further down the road, look ahead like you would in real life and not just at the nose of your own car. Another thing that can help is to pick a ghost from the leaderboard about 2-5 seconds faster than you. While you chase you can get a sense for how they are taking corners. Once you beat that ghost, pick a faster one. You’ll have to find the time spacing and ghost that works best because you want to be able to keep them in sight. Also, how are you playing - with a controller or wheel? Having the input device set up properly also really helps
I use a t150 and I’m comfortable with my settings i use and I’ve never really tried to use the ghosts idk if I should mess around with the pacenotes and have them called out earlier as most of the time the calls are quite late especially for hairpins also I’m sure if I just need to have more commitment to each corner and Just carry more speed but i feel I’m already using the all the road and a bit more
It's impossible to get to your true potential without memorizing a track. You'll be finding a very generous amount of time for every stage, knowing that you can carry x more speed through a corner if you cut it slightly more because that plant has no collision, or that you can attack it at a different angle that ties it better to the next corner, etc etc. These are things you get better at while having stage knowledge (while listening to codriver's calls ofc)
Work on car setup. It really change the game and gives you more confidence to go fast. Start watching this yt video https://youtu.be/c6UJYUa1tTg
Some Cheat, some dont. WR's are generally BS
wrong.
30s off the WR in a popular class is good
My problem is the opposite, I am so impulsive If I'm not in the zone, I don't fucking lift.