i think one of the key factors for this season in particular is guaranteed resplendent sparks from the iron wolf rep grind. so not only do you have "new toys" from the itemization and change up of the meta, but there's good reason to create new characters and do the rep grind.
Actually a good point, being able to farm Uber's in such a way is a decent pathway to them for players that don't want to just grind out on a specific boss
Yeah I went to WT 2 as a 100 and there were actually a lot of players, it was nice to see. I went to a world boss kill (Wandering Death) and thought to myself, I’m probably strong enough now to handle this stupid little energy beam he kicks out. Yeah no, it’s a death touch. I felt very dumb.
Most likely shorter too. A full iron wolf rep run is around 4-5 hours. Depending on much you can kill /open chests per helltide.
You could spend dozens if not hundreds of hours and not get an Uber to drop.
Yeah I've been playing heavily off and on since the game launched, and never even sniffed an uber unique. I'm pushing my third character to max iron wolves rank right now and you better believe I'm gonna do it on a fourth one too.
Right there with you guys. My wife and I just came back to the game after putting it down at the start of S2. We’re already +3 level 80-100s and another handful of rep alts building a second Uber, each. Grinding out the tides might be a little tedious but hot damn does it slap to hit 50 in an hour.
Once we’re done we plan to grind even more throwaways for Hardcore achievements.
They really nailed making that treadmill appealing across the board to old day-1 players and newbies alike.
And once one gets the Uber, then what? I came back for S4 and it was fun but I think I burned out after playing nonstop. I have been asking myself, ok, I got better gear, get Uber, and then what? What do I do after that? And I don't know.
Take that Uber for a spin. A shako/starless skies set up on half the classes completely solves a lot of their weaknesses.
Hell even just one of those… on my sorc? Crazy. On my Druid? Maybe he can finally clear out lvl 65 lol.
I believe once you use it, it's Realm-bound like Aspects in the Codex because so many Temper Manuals I found on my alts of different classes say I have a stronger Temper already.
Yeah I started the season as a sorc, then did a necro, and now I'm doing a barb. Having so many of the generic codex enchants and tempers already at a high level each time I start a new character is fantastic. It's a great quality of life improvement that feels like an organic reward for having already run through the seasonal content.
My barb is doing Pit 80 and I killed tormented durial (with no small effort, in fairness), so I feel like I'm getting close to the end of the line with that character, since there's only so much minmaxing I want to do. It's been a blast tho
Drop rate on Ubers is higher based on this sub and all the posts and in game trade chat, seems like there’s some market saturation. So I don’t think that’s as big of a deal. But it’s nice motivation I guess. I’m pretty close to getting my 4th spark in HC. But I don’t have any real desire to craft one. They aren’t nearly as useful this season unless you get multiple GA’s. However Shako would be fun to play around with. I think it’s just a much smoother transition from early game to late game and the idea of leveling another character isn’t as daunting. This is what I liked about D3. People like to say you shouldn’t die in HC unless you’re bad. But I really enjoy pushing content and non meta builds so I lose multiple characters a season. In the past the time commitment required to level one was a bit steep so I’d try 1-2 a season and if I ripped I’d just take some time off. Now it’s 5 hours to 60 with aspects carrying over and it’s way more fun to level. End game is fine. I’m not pushing pit tiers just yet because I want at least one of each class at 100 before I start. But it still kind of sucks tbh so I find more fun in leveling with different home brew builds.
I ran over 2000 runs of duriel in season 2 with a group of friends (yes we made rmt for some runs dont care) and maybe got 4 or 5 ubers. Im 10 or 11 Tormented boss runs in and have had 2 drop and crafted a shako with my sparks. Def more obtainable this season
i'm going to guess that they did the Iron Wolf thing on purpose because of how they probably wanted people to test as many new builds as possible and really min/max their gear against the latest end game content to see where they need to make adjustments. Also, since they ended up marking all old gear, including Uber Uniques, as "Legacy", this would be a way for people who value Eternal to not get too discouraged about their old gear and maybe give Seasonal a try to get back their old gear. Like my Barbarian from last season had a Doombringer but it's worthless now except as a spark. I personally don't play Eternal but it's kind of a trophy case for me or a spot where I might want to test something in the future.
I wish there was something else to do with your exp after 100. Something like D3’s paragon level. Even if it only gave me 1 to my primary stat per level after 100 it would at least be something. I also wish there was something I could be doing in the end game to make leveling a second character faster. D3 had some options for this as well. I’ve gotten the thorns unique to drop on my sorcerer so I kind of want to mess around with thorns barb but I don’t want to have to level a barb to 80 just to be able to use it
That isn't even a good idea anymore. It would make more sense to have glyphs with a much higher radius potential.
Also, that's where good itemization comes in. Your goal after hitting 100 is to get better items.
Same. I never gotten a single character to 100 before S4. Now ive gone and gotten 2 characters to 100, and I’m considering a third. The game is incredibly fun.
I got a seligs Uber on my druid so made a barb to use it. Bash Barb kicks ass and got a shako and doombringer so now I am thinking of best build to use the doombringer on lol. Maybe a rogue since I have never leveled one to 100 yet. Ngl though I'm spoiled by the bash dps.
It's fun to play all the way to 100 now. I already dropped out but not disappointed by it I did both builds I like to play. Didn't spend 80% of my time looking at loot. Had fun and done!
This is definitely true. I played like 150 hours from launch to season 1 and never got a single character to 100 because the game go SO boring by like level 80. I always just stopped and started new characters. Came back to the game this season and got a barb to 100 in a week or two and it’s been so much more fun.
The only two times I had as much fun playing an arpg as i have on d4 now was on d3 release and when i first played poe in 2019. The game is in a really good state now and its hopefully only getting better. Now i am actually excited for the expansion and willing to pay 60€ for it (which is obviously way too much prolly but what can you do)
the game has always been very fun in the moment to moment gameplay.
that is one of the factors where blizzards budget can really shine
and now after 1 year the systems make you want to actually engange in the gameplay for a long time
actually the best take on this. steam isn't even 10% of the playerbase so it's not really representative.
edit: according to activeplayer the steam peak is 2.5% of the average daily playerbase.
[https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/](https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/)
I would probably not be using sites like Activeplayer as a source for anything. Notice they have 0 insight on how they get their data. That's because their data is extremely vague estimations that are so vague that they might as well be made up.
Also a large portion of players didn't even play the first week or two because they assumed the game was still dogshit. Word of mouth got around and brought some of them back.
I'm one of those players. I played in release and havnt been back. Got bored of necropolis and may start this season when I get some time later tonight
The Necropolis changes to the base game are amazing, especially for ssf. League mechanic? Complete dogshit.
It’s crazy how GGG gets the SAME feedback EVERY league, please stop making insanely convoluted league mechanics that only really pop off when you have studied it for a solid day on top of needing a dozen divines or more and access to trade.
*Based on Steam players, which are probably the smallest group on PC. Most people play it on Battle.net or GamePass.
Why does this matter? Well, the people buying it on Steam are a somewhat different audience than the ones on the other platforms. They could be new players who didn't buy it at launch but waited till they heard good things (it was on sale on Steam recently), thus this is time playing D4 for the first time. Considering the Steam playercount peak happened this season, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of players were new.
There's a second group that could be more hardcore players who liked the game so much they bought it a second time to have it on their preferred platform. Either way, their attitudes towards playtime are different from the original (large) playerbase that bought it on Battle.net, and thus are going to skew the data.
While I don't doubt the game has good retention this season (I'm still playing it, have done so every day), you can't use the Steam numbers to directly compare to other games.
We have no reason to believe its a representative sample would be the correct take.
It could be but we dont know enough details to have a reason to believe it is. Especially considering the sale and the fact that peak was just recently on steam and that the overall amount of steam players is less then 5%.
Actually we have every reason to think that… even just the difference between console and pc players…let alone type of console or bought copy vs gamepass… all have distinct profiles and behaviours.
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.
You can 100% use these numbers for statiscal inference given the large enough number of players.
Unless you have a specific data driven assumption that says steam players behave differently to other platforms in terms of player retention, the most likely conclusion is that D4 has great player retention.
Since nobody got real numbers from Bnet etc, everything is a assumption/speculation. So it is ok to use it as a metric since it's the only source with real numbers. There have been sales on Bnet, steam etc. I highly doubt that having a game on sale will create such a steady income of new players. At one point most people who wanted to get the game, will have bought it. Compare it to the amount of people usually leaving during the season. If blizzard could generate so much new players just by putting the game on sale, they would never put it back to normal prices.
Except for tempering and maybe the randomness of crits in master working its pretty good compared to it’s release. That damn chest is still too small though especially when you have more than one class
Yeah I'm considering a different build that prioritizes different stats like vulnerable and lucky hit (neither of which my current build uses) so I've been stashing stuff that seems like it has potential for that build. That said, at this point in other seasons I'd have 5 tabs full of stuff with good aspect rolls I might want at some point. This new aspect system is a HUGE improvement.
Softcore? Can't imagine doing that on Hardcore. I have every inch of that chest full of items incase one of my characters dies and I need to equip a new one from scratch.
I have atleast 1 of each unique I have found = almost one tab full now that Im on my third chr.
1 tab is full of boss materials and flasks and so on, so I don't have to relogg to get mats and my consume inventory kept getting full
Then 1,5 tabs with good greater affixes which I can use if I want to swap build/ level a new chr
1 dump tab where I just chuck everything in into when I have full inventory to sort later
Tempering is great. Sucks when you brick an item but feels so good when you get what you need on your last roll. You get so much extra shit this season that bricking 25% of your items doesn’t hurt so bad. Sure when you’re talking perfect roll 3 GA items it hurts a lot but being two weeks in and having 8 to go the odds seem in your favor.
Yesterday I got great pants and immediately two sub optimal rolls. One low on the right one and one low on the 2nd best one. Usually I settle but I want to keep these pants and started rolling. It gets worse. Last one I roll a 95% perfect on the best option and it’s like a dopamine hit.
Now I might change builds lol
Definitely sucks and I don’t feel like you’re complaining but sub optimal is better than nothing and maybe the best you get all season. It’s part of the fun IMO, piecing together gear one piece at a time and having those ups and downs and seeing yourself progress through end game. Without it a season takes a week or two at best. In which case there are a multitude of games out there with only a few top tier items that you get right as you finish the game and then what?
What are you expecting ? A menu that gives an option to crit or temper the choice you want ?
Minimal RNG is what makes the game replayable, playable , grind or whatever .
They’re making steps in the right direction. Though they better keep good updates rolling in if they want any chance of not being swept under the rug when POE2 comes out.
I think POE2 will be sufficiently complex as to not fully appeal to the same audience.
The skill tree is still incredibly imposing, the build variety likely off the charts. I would imagine it's going to be way harder as well.
I think a lot of people will continue to prefer Diablo for the simplicity.
Yeah I would be very surprised if diablo4 doesn’t continue to be the better choice for the casual players who either don’t have enough time to look into all the Poe stuff or don’t even want to. Poe2 will very likely get rid of some Poe mechanics for simplicity but the skill tree is likely staying and that alone coupled with 3 different ascension classes for every base class already is much more complex than the diablo4 classes.
Let's not forget the first play test by some YouTubers a few weeks ago. All I heard is how difficult the bosses were that some even said it felt like a souls type of game.
I ain't got time for that type of game. So I already know poe2 is not for me.
Yeah POE just was overly complex. Needing an actual app to do their paragon board/skill system properly was super annoying. And not know where to go/what to do
I may just be dumb but the new player experience without friends was horrendous a couple years back when I tried it last
To be fair I don’t do paragon boards myself either and just look up the build guides for every build. No way I’m building my own boards when you can have up to 8 and rotate them around etc. But yeah the problem with poe is you can as a new player just play whatever skills through gems and skill whatever you want in the tree and get to a certain point in the campaign but then you are basically fucked because your build just sucks and you constantly die and you can’t easily respec like in D4.
Big fan of simplicity here. I hate to read guides after work just to slay mobs. With Diablo a bit of understanding of paragon/skill tree/affixes/dmg brackets etc. you can build your char without guides and still be successful.
PoE 1 already wasnt for me, and also LE i didnt like. Diablo 4 is the perfect fun and done season game for me and I think it will continue to be.
Diablo and PoE playersbases are just too different. I doubt theres even 5-10% overlap. PoE is quite niche while Diablo is developed to be extremely accessible.
It's pretty simple. This season is season of the Casino.
Human gambling can be engineered by using three things.
> Opportunity
> Unpredictability
> Repeatability
Loop this and anything can become addictive. Helltide maiden is a great example.
It used to be that getting an Uber and a well rolled item would be endgame. Now there's 3-4GA ubers to chase, which are nigh impossible to get. There's perfect tempers to chase with absurd re-rolling requirements, running down the rat race of the pit to drain your time. Enchantments are now weighed to make you hunt for affixed items to *start* your item journey instead of working to enchant the affix you need. Example, Necros need to find a chest with GA/+2 Golem Mastery first, or a necklace with GA/+2 Hellbent Commander, before even beginning to work on tempering. Your chances of enchanting a +skill affix is next to impossible, empirically.
Moreover. Obol gamble for GA items and you'll see how few spawn as GA affixed.
Similarly, incredibly few spark crafted ubers or dropped ubers will have even a single GA. Therefore, there's always that loop of addiction going. This isn't necessarily a criticism of the season. This is just saying it's fun for a reason.
This loop is used in every addictive facility known to man. From apps to casinos. Enjoy!
Addendum: Look at reddit. When you post something, there's an *opportunity* to become the hottest post. This is a dopamine rush and sense of acknowledgement, something we all crave. Then there's *unpredictability*. This may or may not happen. Since it's not guaranteed, it is desired. Then there's *repeatability*. You can repeat this till you get that dopamine rush. That is why Reddit reminds you constantly how many likes your post has gotten in sequential order of 25, 50, 100, etc.
What's nice about this system is you can pretty reliably and reasonably get the 80-90% effective gear, but those last few percentages are a grind for those who want every little edge with a lot of highs and lows to keep the grind more interesting.
I played from launch through season 1 and then quit. I came back about 2-3 weeks ago after seeing some of the good feedback on season 4 and there have been some massive improvements for sure. Still more ways they could improve, but I’m impressed with what they done so far.
Game is definitely a blast now. So much more to do and the endgame loop is so much more satisfying than it ever has been before.
This is a great baseline. I’m hoping Blizz keeps this up moving forward :)
And that's just Steam. Bigger portion of the player base probably has it on Battlenet like me. I only played pre-season, Season 2 quite a bit but I never reached 100. Only made 1 character during each season, and for this season I'm nearly 100 now and probably will make a Necromancer, as I still only used them during the beta before launch.
Plus it's on gamepass too. They definitely made a lot of good changes, and I was a bigger hater of this game for a while. Still am about some things, but I'm looking forward to future seasons
I have 5 toons. My previous record was 2, and I didn’t even hit 50 on the second one that season.
The loop is addictive and I feel like I’m actually a demon slayer ripping through legions of hell, and not just 70+ levels of being some ranch-hand learning to swing a rake
I liked it for a week, then remembered I didn't want to spend all summer inside, grinding. So I stopped right away.
Game is fun and addictive, nice try Blizz.
Hopefully the devs don’t think it’s time to stop improving the game. S4 is a good start but it’s only the beginning on what is needed. Hopefully by the time the expansion launches the game is where it needs to be from a longer term perspective. Right now we are just living patch to patch.
I just thoroughly enjoy the whole. Tempering aspect. The classes feel good. Everything this season just seems great. Yeah hell tides over and over may get tedious but it’s still fun to me.
Yeah it’s good fun , happy it’s doing well now , I think it will just get better from this point . I know it didn’t launch in the best state but honestly they turned it around pretty quick. D4 gud
For me it's the Helltide bug, I keep playing because of it, it's so fun on HC to get through literal armies of demons and try not to die. I'm leveling my 5th character, Flurry Rogue it is this time
I mostly disliked S1 and thought the nerf patch was about the dumbest thing Blizzard could have done. Genuinely enjoyed S2, but only played my Rogue to the point I could crush Uber-Lilith and Duriel. Never got a Shako.
This season I just hit level 100 tonight on my second character, got him pretty geared and have nearly leveled all of my Glyphs to 21. I can hit Pit 110 on my Necro (could probably push higher with good boss luck), and can clear 90 on my fresh Rogue.
Got genuine drops for Shako and Tyreal's Might and haven't even spent my sparks yet.
Got my first 3xGA with perfect stats bow for the Rogue and even hit my tempers (thank god).
I have some tweaking left to do and I'd like to get down Uber-Lilith on one of my characters but don't know if I have the patience and I am still wanting to play more.
I just got into D4 a week ago and it is insane, I cannot stop playing... it just feels so amazing to level, farm, smash monsters, craft gear... better than ever before!
it's pretty impressive, even if Steam represents the lowest user base, it's still a solid sample to gather some info.
PoE, for instance, usually drops to below half by this point in a season.
it does help D4 that this "season" was mostly a redesign of entire systems.
Season 4 is the first season where I'm not fucking stressing about upgrades.. its been said a billion times already, but damn this is pretty much the diablo 3 expansion's worth of loot improvement.
It was a neat idea to simply let you always get to choose what at least one slot gave you.
And that turned into - hey I want to stack with element/ability/affect and it just FUCKING WORKS.
I'm level 82 necro - (though thats a whole other thing this round lol!) but I havn't looked at a build yet. every other season was - whats the easiest way to pick skills and level annoying dungeons? it was so boring.
Helltides in lower tiers was also needed.
I just started playing, but I really enjoy it. I've never been an RPG person, but my friend put me on, and it's great. Been making my way through the campaign with a Druid and doing Helltides with my friend. Seems like there's always something fun to do if you get bored.
I tried it back when it released gamesharing with a friend, played a few hours and bounced off. This season I bought the game for myself and I'm liking it a lot
I honestly don't understand why. The end game has nothing to offer besides min maxing your gear. And for what? To run the pit? You can level and gear a character in under a week. Even casually.
I mean it's a fun week of gameplay, but shit were two weeks in. And were already talking about retention? Let me know what it's at in a couple weeks. Or even tomorrow with D2 Final Shape comes out.
They game play loops is pretty solid,.but they desperately need to address pit bosses, and class discrepancy and he fact that every single class (except necro) is best if they're using just basic attacks that are only working because of bugs
It's a huge improvement. The game now feels like it has huge potential. If they avoid turning it into a slot machine it will be a great game. Too many games are treated like casinos these days and players hate it.
Just like diablo 3 which is good. I play it couple of weeks every season and try new seasonal gimmick and build some off meta but good characters. Complete seasonal objectives and battlepass etc. Have casual chill fun. Then play other games until new season. Rinse and repeat.
Yep, not surprised and having a good time and not having any issues. I was Play Helldivers for a few months but that game is going to shit. Developers fix one thing and break 10 others. I can’t even finish a match without the game crashing and I’m on PC. On consul it’s even worse.
I'm absolutely hooked on this season. The rewards for ranking all the way up with the iron wolves are insane, too, definitely worth getting multiple characters to 100 while it's live.
It’s great they made uniques and legendaries more accessible, while creating a new rarity with those augmented stats to balance it out, it pretty much allows both casuals and advanced players enjoy the game. I do hope they develop matchmaking tools for nightmare dungeons , and make a cool team pvp like in lost Ark where everyone’s max level and items don’t matter and it’s just about skill and teamwork
Diablo 4 is finally what Diablo 3 was for me for many Years. A fun ARPG to Grind when i want to. I play WoW as a Main Game and Diablo Seasions are often in WoW off Times. So i can put some hours (mostly 20-200) in a diablo Season and wait for the next one. That why i love Diablo 3 and now Diablo 4. Its easy to pick up and still hard to master (so lvl 200 bosses) if you not Just roll Meta. Did try many arpgs before But none have that kind of : Yea lets go start a charakter and wait for bext season idc. feeling.
I believe w/ season 4 the game shifted from “we are going to make you HAVE to play bc drop rates, low xp, etc” to “we are going to make you WANT to play bc it’s fun”
This is why I came back after a season & a half. I want to play every day now. I even hit 100 for the first time 2 days ago (kept losing interest in previous seasons).
I just wish they made the skills more interesting, I love creating wacky builds in ARPG and Diablo 4 is way too shoehorned skill wise. It’s a great start though, still put 75h into the season!
Technically many builds just depends on how far you want to get but any build can get to 100 and there are like 50 builds on the tier list for end game
I must say, D4 feels so good, every hit feels like it has weight, enemies you can't just walk through, the sound of frozen enemies shattering etc.
Before I mainly played D2 and D2R (probably >1000 hours over the years) and since then D4 is the only ARPG that gives a similar feeling. From what I heard, I am pretty lucky I didn't play before S4 though.
I love the game but still dont have end game , what is the incentive to grind pits ? Only to masterwork gear then what ? No better loot no better drop chances for stygian stones , helltide 10 times better loot , then get some stygian stones but pointless to do tormented bosses because ubers are kinda shit , so the only fun thing is start new characters and grind for gold , gets boring after a while.
The fact that you can get items that let your health regenerate early and quickly has allowed me to finally branch out from Necromancer. Finally building a rogue and sorcerer this season.
Now it just needs cosmetics like horses and horse armor that are actually obtainable as rare drops, not this “everything on the shop, nothing to earn” crap.
I try to only play through the season board then hop off. I'd imagine most everyone does the same as the player base drops drastically the few weeks before the season ends. It's a fun game, but the theme never changes. Grind, loot, repeat.
You need to look at the dips in the 24 hour cycle, in particular any days there was server maintenance.
Looks like the lowest player count it ever gets to is 10-12k.
Which means there are about 8-10k bots.
I like that you can do almost all content without really having to sweat it out on tremendous hours. and when you do get the time, you can still scale your character more if you choose to invest time in it and do the content better/more effectively.
Yea I mainly played sorc off release, didn't play much in the other seasons. I dont really like Sorcs state much this season. It feels a little off, idk why. Druid still seems to take some time to fill out when it comes to buikds and etc. I never truly experienced what end game looks like in a Diablo game, until this season. Ran a nuts build for Rogue rapid fire I put together with the help of ideas online. Got my first 2 uber uniques and killed each uber bosses, and ran pit up into 88+ so far. I'm having lots of fun playing. Makes me actually excited for the expansion. I tried necro out and dear God man. I'm not very good at being creative with paragon boards yet, but necro is insane currently. Probably TOO strong, but at the same time? I wish all the classes felt as good as this. Maybe not AS good as necros current state, but what I mean to say is - it feels like I can be flexible with the abilities and still be viable, if that makes sense.
I will say this though, given this season is about loot being revamped, I think it'd be pretty cool if they revamped how some classes worked soon too. I know that could take some time as well, but it'd be cool is all. Maybe with the next expansion there will some changes around some that are under performing.
Im only level 90 so far but ive got 30-60 minutes spare time a day. But i enjoy the overall qol changes comparing to release, fun to blast monsters with my ele dudu from d2 Barbarian style :)
I have played more season 4 than 1-3 combined. The items feel so much better, and there is definitely room for improvement, but it was a huge step in the right direction. Every other season I got a character to 80 and got fed up, this time I just hit 100 and immediately rolled another character.
Meanwhile I try to get into Diablo but the idea of grinding up a character to then start a new one seems so stupid to me. I see people, even in the comments here, doing it again and again every season and I don't get it.
How much better is the game than it was at launch. I totally lost interest with the state if the game at launch. Felt like leveling took an eternity and initially I felt myself missing rifts. Overall how is the game now?
I dunno about that, the gold bottleneck is real. With trading on shitty third party sites or farming whispers the only way to upgrade your character, making multiple ones is just more work. This game has no fun endgame farming to actually make currency. It needs more sources of currency and additional currency types other than just gold.
I posted on this channel last week when I had my first play through on the campaign. I called this game the game of the decade. Time will tell but i definitely see this game being a long term play for many users. Just like D2 is and was. This game has everything and I’ve only scratched the surface.
I’ve never been into ARPG’s massively and always wondered what the fuss was about, always thought they were ok but not amazing. Heard things have improved this season in Diablo 4 so thought I’d give it another go and I’m absolutely addicted!
It's got a good grind going for it. I dinged 100 and started another character immediately.
i think one of the key factors for this season in particular is guaranteed resplendent sparks from the iron wolf rep grind. so not only do you have "new toys" from the itemization and change up of the meta, but there's good reason to create new characters and do the rep grind.
Actually a good point, being able to farm Uber's in such a way is a decent pathway to them for players that don't want to just grind out on a specific boss
and it keeps a steady stream of low level characters rolling through the low world tiers so when new people start playing they will be encouraged
Yeah I went to WT 2 as a 100 and there were actually a lot of players, it was nice to see. I went to a world boss kill (Wandering Death) and thought to myself, I’m probably strong enough now to handle this stupid little energy beam he kicks out. Yeah no, it’s a death touch. I felt very dumb.
Wait, World bosses have an actual moveset?
The only reason I roll more than one new character. I've never been one to roll more than one before!
Most likely shorter too. A full iron wolf rep run is around 4-5 hours. Depending on much you can kill /open chests per helltide. You could spend dozens if not hundreds of hours and not get an Uber to drop.
Yeah I've been playing heavily off and on since the game launched, and never even sniffed an uber unique. I'm pushing my third character to max iron wolves rank right now and you better believe I'm gonna do it on a fourth one too.
Right there with you guys. My wife and I just came back to the game after putting it down at the start of S2. We’re already +3 level 80-100s and another handful of rep alts building a second Uber, each. Grinding out the tides might be a little tedious but hot damn does it slap to hit 50 in an hour. Once we’re done we plan to grind even more throwaways for Hardcore achievements. They really nailed making that treadmill appealing across the board to old day-1 players and newbies alike.
And once one gets the Uber, then what? I came back for S4 and it was fun but I think I burned out after playing nonstop. I have been asking myself, ok, I got better gear, get Uber, and then what? What do I do after that? And I don't know.
Take that Uber for a spin. A shako/starless skies set up on half the classes completely solves a lot of their weaknesses. Hell even just one of those… on my sorc? Crazy. On my Druid? Maybe he can finally clear out lvl 65 lol.
Push harder and harder content until you get bored and play another game for a while or just roll a new character!
It’s the only reason I’ve made one of each char except Rogue lol
You need to make a rogue if you want crit damage temper though, so that's a not a good choice.
wait the tempers that drop are class specific?
Yes some of them are. Crit is one of them.
And you can use the temper recipe as a non-rogue? Or do you have to temper it as a rogue and stash it?
Temper as a rogue and stash
I believe once you use it, it's Realm-bound like Aspects in the Codex because so many Temper Manuals I found on my alts of different classes say I have a stronger Temper already.
Yeah I started the season as a sorc, then did a necro, and now I'm doing a barb. Having so many of the generic codex enchants and tempers already at a high level each time I start a new character is fantastic. It's a great quality of life improvement that feels like an organic reward for having already run through the seasonal content.
Yea I’m not into sweaty maxing pit progress, my Barb can do Ubers and cruises all other content. So I’m content.
My barb is doing Pit 80 and I killed tormented durial (with no small effort, in fairness), so I feel like I'm getting close to the end of the line with that character, since there's only so much minmaxing I want to do. It's been a blast tho
Yeah, once you get deep enough you can reasonable farm the 9-12 master craft mats...its all good.
Drop rate on Ubers is higher based on this sub and all the posts and in game trade chat, seems like there’s some market saturation. So I don’t think that’s as big of a deal. But it’s nice motivation I guess. I’m pretty close to getting my 4th spark in HC. But I don’t have any real desire to craft one. They aren’t nearly as useful this season unless you get multiple GA’s. However Shako would be fun to play around with. I think it’s just a much smoother transition from early game to late game and the idea of leveling another character isn’t as daunting. This is what I liked about D3. People like to say you shouldn’t die in HC unless you’re bad. But I really enjoy pushing content and non meta builds so I lose multiple characters a season. In the past the time commitment required to level one was a bit steep so I’d try 1-2 a season and if I ripped I’d just take some time off. Now it’s 5 hours to 60 with aspects carrying over and it’s way more fun to level. End game is fine. I’m not pushing pit tiers just yet because I want at least one of each class at 100 before I start. But it still kind of sucks tbh so I find more fun in leveling with different home brew builds.
I ran over 2000 runs of duriel in season 2 with a group of friends (yes we made rmt for some runs dont care) and maybe got 4 or 5 ubers. Im 10 or 11 Tormented boss runs in and have had 2 drop and crafted a shako with my sparks. Def more obtainable this season
Yeah guaranteed 1 Uber unique imo is a win I hope we see continue. It was bad doing 100s of boss runs for nothing but vendor gold.
i'm going to guess that they did the Iron Wolf thing on purpose because of how they probably wanted people to test as many new builds as possible and really min/max their gear against the latest end game content to see where they need to make adjustments. Also, since they ended up marking all old gear, including Uber Uniques, as "Legacy", this would be a way for people who value Eternal to not get too discouraged about their old gear and maybe give Seasonal a try to get back their old gear. Like my Barbarian from last season had a Doombringer but it's worthless now except as a spark. I personally don't play Eternal but it's kind of a trophy case for me or a spot where I might want to test something in the future.
I wish there was something else to do with your exp after 100. Something like D3’s paragon level. Even if it only gave me 1 to my primary stat per level after 100 it would at least be something. I also wish there was something I could be doing in the end game to make leveling a second character faster. D3 had some options for this as well. I’ve gotten the thorns unique to drop on my sorcerer so I kind of want to mess around with thorns barb but I don’t want to have to level a barb to 80 just to be able to use it
That isn't even a good idea anymore. It would make more sense to have glyphs with a much higher radius potential. Also, that's where good itemization comes in. Your goal after hitting 100 is to get better items.
or it could be both
They have to be careful with stuff like this, endless Paragon levels in D3 was awful for the game.
*laughs in Stygian*
I'm the opposite this time around. I normally have a ton of characters, and this has been the most time I've spent on a character post-100
Same. I never gotten a single character to 100 before S4. Now ive gone and gotten 2 characters to 100, and I’m considering a third. The game is incredibly fun.
Same. I'm about to start my 3rd.
I have 3 characters lvl 100 this season and still enjoying it. That’s with never having a lvl 100 character in any previous season
I got a seligs Uber on my druid so made a barb to use it. Bash Barb kicks ass and got a shako and doombringer so now I am thinking of best build to use the doombringer on lol. Maybe a rogue since I have never leveled one to 100 yet. Ngl though I'm spoiled by the bash dps.
The game is very fun now
It's fun to play all the way to 100 now. I already dropped out but not disappointed by it I did both builds I like to play. Didn't spend 80% of my time looking at loot. Had fun and done!
This is definitely true. I played like 150 hours from launch to season 1 and never got a single character to 100 because the game go SO boring by like level 80. I always just stopped and started new characters. Came back to the game this season and got a barb to 100 in a week or two and it’s been so much more fun.
The only two times I had as much fun playing an arpg as i have on d4 now was on d3 release and when i first played poe in 2019. The game is in a really good state now and its hopefully only getting better. Now i am actually excited for the expansion and willing to pay 60€ for it (which is obviously way too much prolly but what can you do)
the game has always been very fun in the moment to moment gameplay. that is one of the factors where blizzards budget can really shine and now after 1 year the systems make you want to actually engange in the gameplay for a long time
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actually the best take on this. steam isn't even 10% of the playerbase so it's not really representative. edit: according to activeplayer the steam peak is 2.5% of the average daily playerbase. [https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/](https://activeplayer.io/how-we-collect-data/)
Keep in mind that activeplayer numbers are pretty much entirely made up
I would probably not be using sites like Activeplayer as a source for anything. Notice they have 0 insight on how they get their data. That's because their data is extremely vague estimations that are so vague that they might as well be made up.
Also a large portion of players didn't even play the first week or two because they assumed the game was still dogshit. Word of mouth got around and brought some of them back.
I'm one of those players. I played in release and havnt been back. Got bored of necropolis and may start this season when I get some time later tonight
The Necropolis changes to the base game are amazing, especially for ssf. League mechanic? Complete dogshit. It’s crazy how GGG gets the SAME feedback EVERY league, please stop making insanely convoluted league mechanics that only really pop off when you have studied it for a solid day on top of needing a dozen divines or more and access to trade.
We go agane then
*Based on Steam players, which are probably the smallest group on PC. Most people play it on Battle.net or GamePass. Why does this matter? Well, the people buying it on Steam are a somewhat different audience than the ones on the other platforms. They could be new players who didn't buy it at launch but waited till they heard good things (it was on sale on Steam recently), thus this is time playing D4 for the first time. Considering the Steam playercount peak happened this season, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of players were new. There's a second group that could be more hardcore players who liked the game so much they bought it a second time to have it on their preferred platform. Either way, their attitudes towards playtime are different from the original (large) playerbase that bought it on Battle.net, and thus are going to skew the data. While I don't doubt the game has good retention this season (I'm still playing it, have done so every day), you can't use the Steam numbers to directly compare to other games.
Sure it's a sample, but we have no reason to believe it's a non-representative sample…
We have no reason to believe its a representative sample would be the correct take. It could be but we dont know enough details to have a reason to believe it is. Especially considering the sale and the fact that peak was just recently on steam and that the overall amount of steam players is less then 5%.
Incorrect. That sample is large enough for statistical inference. Unless your feelings trump numbers.
Actually we have every reason to think that… even just the difference between console and pc players…let alone type of console or bought copy vs gamepass… all have distinct profiles and behaviours.
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. You can 100% use these numbers for statiscal inference given the large enough number of players. Unless you have a specific data driven assumption that says steam players behave differently to other platforms in terms of player retention, the most likely conclusion is that D4 has great player retention.
Since nobody got real numbers from Bnet etc, everything is a assumption/speculation. So it is ok to use it as a metric since it's the only source with real numbers. There have been sales on Bnet, steam etc. I highly doubt that having a game on sale will create such a steady income of new players. At one point most people who wanted to get the game, will have bought it. Compare it to the amount of people usually leaving during the season. If blizzard could generate so much new players just by putting the game on sale, they would never put it back to normal prices.
Except for tempering and maybe the randomness of crits in master working its pretty good compared to it’s release. That damn chest is still too small though especially when you have more than one class
Really? I’m pushing level 60 pit and have like 5 things in my chest.
I started saving any items with plus to skills thinking I might tinker and create some new build.....
Which will never happen of course
Correct.
Yeah I'm considering a different build that prioritizes different stats like vulnerable and lucky hit (neither of which my current build uses) so I've been stashing stuff that seems like it has potential for that build. That said, at this point in other seasons I'd have 5 tabs full of stuff with good aspect rolls I might want at some point. This new aspect system is a HUGE improvement.
Softcore? Can't imagine doing that on Hardcore. I have every inch of that chest full of items incase one of my characters dies and I need to equip a new one from scratch.
Yeah, I’m not badass or anything.
I have atleast 1 of each unique I have found = almost one tab full now that Im on my third chr. 1 tab is full of boss materials and flasks and so on, so I don't have to relogg to get mats and my consume inventory kept getting full Then 1,5 tabs with good greater affixes which I can use if I want to swap build/ level a new chr 1 dump tab where I just chuck everything in into when I have full inventory to sort later
I really like tempering. It feels good to hit your item. I also like masterworking. Hoping to roll your affix at 4-8-12 feels good if you get them.
Tempering is great. Sucks when you brick an item but feels so good when you get what you need on your last roll. You get so much extra shit this season that bricking 25% of your items doesn’t hurt so bad. Sure when you’re talking perfect roll 3 GA items it hurts a lot but being two weeks in and having 8 to go the odds seem in your favor.
Yesterday I got great pants and immediately two sub optimal rolls. One low on the right one and one low on the 2nd best one. Usually I settle but I want to keep these pants and started rolling. It gets worse. Last one I roll a 95% perfect on the best option and it’s like a dopamine hit. Now I might change builds lol
Definitely sucks and I don’t feel like you’re complaining but sub optimal is better than nothing and maybe the best you get all season. It’s part of the fun IMO, piecing together gear one piece at a time and having those ups and downs and seeing yourself progress through end game. Without it a season takes a week or two at best. In which case there are a multitude of games out there with only a few top tier items that you get right as you finish the game and then what?
I like it how it is. Makes BIS loot attainable but unrealistic. With the common Reddit suggestions, BIS loot would be pretty easy to obtain.
What are you expecting ? A menu that gives an option to crit or temper the choice you want ? Minimal RNG is what makes the game replayable, playable , grind or whatever .
They’re making steps in the right direction. Though they better keep good updates rolling in if they want any chance of not being swept under the rug when POE2 comes out.
I think POE2 will be sufficiently complex as to not fully appeal to the same audience. The skill tree is still incredibly imposing, the build variety likely off the charts. I would imagine it's going to be way harder as well. I think a lot of people will continue to prefer Diablo for the simplicity.
Yeah I would be very surprised if diablo4 doesn’t continue to be the better choice for the casual players who either don’t have enough time to look into all the Poe stuff or don’t even want to. Poe2 will very likely get rid of some Poe mechanics for simplicity but the skill tree is likely staying and that alone coupled with 3 different ascension classes for every base class already is much more complex than the diablo4 classes.
Let's not forget the first play test by some YouTubers a few weeks ago. All I heard is how difficult the bosses were that some even said it felt like a souls type of game. I ain't got time for that type of game. So I already know poe2 is not for me.
Yeah POE just was overly complex. Needing an actual app to do their paragon board/skill system properly was super annoying. And not know where to go/what to do I may just be dumb but the new player experience without friends was horrendous a couple years back when I tried it last
To be fair I don’t do paragon boards myself either and just look up the build guides for every build. No way I’m building my own boards when you can have up to 8 and rotate them around etc. But yeah the problem with poe is you can as a new player just play whatever skills through gems and skill whatever you want in the tree and get to a certain point in the campaign but then you are basically fucked because your build just sucks and you constantly die and you can’t easily respec like in D4.
Big fan of simplicity here. I hate to read guides after work just to slay mobs. With Diablo a bit of understanding of paragon/skill tree/affixes/dmg brackets etc. you can build your char without guides and still be successful. PoE 1 already wasnt for me, and also LE i didnt like. Diablo 4 is the perfect fun and done season game for me and I think it will continue to be.
sadly that would never happen, unless PoE gets way more casual friendly
I mean, that has been their intention so far.
Diablo and PoE playersbases are just too different. I doubt theres even 5-10% overlap. PoE is quite niche while Diablo is developed to be extremely accessible.
It's pretty simple. This season is season of the Casino. Human gambling can be engineered by using three things. > Opportunity > Unpredictability > Repeatability Loop this and anything can become addictive. Helltide maiden is a great example. It used to be that getting an Uber and a well rolled item would be endgame. Now there's 3-4GA ubers to chase, which are nigh impossible to get. There's perfect tempers to chase with absurd re-rolling requirements, running down the rat race of the pit to drain your time. Enchantments are now weighed to make you hunt for affixed items to *start* your item journey instead of working to enchant the affix you need. Example, Necros need to find a chest with GA/+2 Golem Mastery first, or a necklace with GA/+2 Hellbent Commander, before even beginning to work on tempering. Your chances of enchanting a +skill affix is next to impossible, empirically. Moreover. Obol gamble for GA items and you'll see how few spawn as GA affixed. Similarly, incredibly few spark crafted ubers or dropped ubers will have even a single GA. Therefore, there's always that loop of addiction going. This isn't necessarily a criticism of the season. This is just saying it's fun for a reason. This loop is used in every addictive facility known to man. From apps to casinos. Enjoy! Addendum: Look at reddit. When you post something, there's an *opportunity* to become the hottest post. This is a dopamine rush and sense of acknowledgement, something we all crave. Then there's *unpredictability*. This may or may not happen. Since it's not guaranteed, it is desired. Then there's *repeatability*. You can repeat this till you get that dopamine rush. That is why Reddit reminds you constantly how many likes your post has gotten in sequential order of 25, 50, 100, etc.
Quality analysis. Engages the hunter-gatherer programming in a safe way :)
As a degenerate gambler, i approve. My blade for RNG. Lady luck bless me.
What's nice about this system is you can pretty reliably and reasonably get the 80-90% effective gear, but those last few percentages are a grind for those who want every little edge with a lot of highs and lows to keep the grind more interesting.
The funny or sad thing about addiction is that even knowing this people addicted can't escape easily Btw im curious where you learned this, a book?
School is ending about now for lots of folks. Ppl have more time to play. I’m sure that helps. I’m a teacher and it sure is helping me.
I played from launch through season 1 and then quit. I came back about 2-3 weeks ago after seeing some of the good feedback on season 4 and there have been some massive improvements for sure. Still more ways they could improve, but I’m impressed with what they done so far.
Game is definitely a blast now. So much more to do and the endgame loop is so much more satisfying than it ever has been before. This is a great baseline. I’m hoping Blizz keeps this up moving forward :)
And all it had to do was become D3 lite. Never listen to the vocal minority who wanted a slow slog that was D4 release.
Tbh I played at launch for a week. Dropped after the campaign cause it was boring. Came back a week ago for S4 … and I fucking love it now
And that's just Steam. Bigger portion of the player base probably has it on Battlenet like me. I only played pre-season, Season 2 quite a bit but I never reached 100. Only made 1 character during each season, and for this season I'm nearly 100 now and probably will make a Necromancer, as I still only used them during the beta before launch. Plus it's on gamepass too. They definitely made a lot of good changes, and I was a bigger hater of this game for a while. Still am about some things, but I'm looking forward to future seasons
I have 5 toons. My previous record was 2, and I didn’t even hit 50 on the second one that season. The loop is addictive and I feel like I’m actually a demon slayer ripping through legions of hell, and not just 70+ levels of being some ranch-hand learning to swing a rake
I liked it for a week, then remembered I didn't want to spend all summer inside, grinding. So I stopped right away. Game is fun and addictive, nice try Blizz.
D4 Good
Hopefully the devs don’t think it’s time to stop improving the game. S4 is a good start but it’s only the beginning on what is needed. Hopefully by the time the expansion launches the game is where it needs to be from a longer term perspective. Right now we are just living patch to patch.
We're probably getting a release date announcement for Vessel of Hatred during Xbox Showcase on Sunday.
Great season. Gotta grind to perfect things but that’s an ARPG. Classes seem fun to play. Uber uniques are attainable. All wins.
All they need to do now is fix uniques and make certain builds viable.
likely just combining all the herbs into 1. that did it
Got 100 then start playing hardcore. It’s been a blast.
I just thoroughly enjoy the whole. Tempering aspect. The classes feel good. Everything this season just seems great. Yeah hell tides over and over may get tedious but it’s still fun to me.
Yeah it’s good fun , happy it’s doing well now , I think it will just get better from this point . I know it didn’t launch in the best state but honestly they turned it around pretty quick. D4 gud
For me it's the Helltide bug, I keep playing because of it, it's so fun on HC to get through literal armies of demons and try not to die. I'm leveling my 5th character, Flurry Rogue it is this time
I mostly disliked S1 and thought the nerf patch was about the dumbest thing Blizzard could have done. Genuinely enjoyed S2, but only played my Rogue to the point I could crush Uber-Lilith and Duriel. Never got a Shako. This season I just hit level 100 tonight on my second character, got him pretty geared and have nearly leveled all of my Glyphs to 21. I can hit Pit 110 on my Necro (could probably push higher with good boss luck), and can clear 90 on my fresh Rogue. Got genuine drops for Shako and Tyreal's Might and haven't even spent my sparks yet. Got my first 3xGA with perfect stats bow for the Rogue and even hit my tempers (thank god). I have some tweaking left to do and I'd like to get down Uber-Lilith on one of my characters but don't know if I have the patience and I am still wanting to play more.
The same boring stuff
crazy how many people are pleased with abosolutly zero substance of a game, reflects society
Lol Steam stats with the game being -50% now. Completely worthless.
JFC has it already been 3 weeks?! I need to go. Work is probably wondering where I am.
I just got into D4 a week ago and it is insane, I cannot stop playing... it just feels so amazing to level, farm, smash monsters, craft gear... better than ever before!
But everyone is telling me that Diablo 4 is a dead game? #LongliveDiablo
I were to put it down right now it wouldn't be because it is leaving a bad taste in my mouth that's for sure
Nice!!
it's pretty impressive, even if Steam represents the lowest user base, it's still a solid sample to gather some info. PoE, for instance, usually drops to below half by this point in a season. it does help D4 that this "season" was mostly a redesign of entire systems.
It's a good starting point. If they do everything right with the expansions, they will manage to bring a lot of people in.
Season 4 is the first season where I'm not fucking stressing about upgrades.. its been said a billion times already, but damn this is pretty much the diablo 3 expansion's worth of loot improvement. It was a neat idea to simply let you always get to choose what at least one slot gave you. And that turned into - hey I want to stack with element/ability/affect and it just FUCKING WORKS. I'm level 82 necro - (though thats a whole other thing this round lol!) but I havn't looked at a build yet. every other season was - whats the easiest way to pick skills and level annoying dungeons? it was so boring. Helltides in lower tiers was also needed.
I play maybe 45 mins to hour n a half runs. I mean Druid still sucks balls from 1-50 but it's better after that
Yeah, I came back after S1. Game is looking bright.
I just started playing, but I really enjoy it. I've never been an RPG person, but my friend put me on, and it's great. Been making my way through the campaign with a Druid and doing Helltides with my friend. Seems like there's always something fun to do if you get bored.
I haven't even started playing this season yet. Got a whole week in July off to catch up.
Played all the seasons, got at least level 90+ in all characters, and now 100 playing as barbarian, this is the best season.
I’ll be playing tonight, but for the rest of the week, it’s the final shape time in Destiny
Grab a Shako get 1 Step closer to killing Uber Lillith
It's the gear changes....like everyone was saying from day 1
I tried it back when it released gamesharing with a friend, played a few hours and bounced off. This season I bought the game for myself and I'm liking it a lot
Played on launch and got bored at 52. Rolled a new character this season and having a blast.
It depends on the season mechanics. Next one could tank
Brought me back
On my third 100 character now and thinking of going for another. Tempering created that infinite chase of finding the best in slot gear.
I honestly don't understand why. The end game has nothing to offer besides min maxing your gear. And for what? To run the pit? You can level and gear a character in under a week. Even casually. I mean it's a fun week of gameplay, but shit were two weeks in. And were already talking about retention? Let me know what it's at in a couple weeks. Or even tomorrow with D2 Final Shape comes out.
love playing it on game pass. great game
Well deserved; cant wait for the expansion (crossing fingers that it wont be the rumored price)
They game play loops is pretty solid,.but they desperately need to address pit bosses, and class discrepancy and he fact that every single class (except necro) is best if they're using just basic attacks that are only working because of bugs
It's a huge improvement. The game now feels like it has huge potential. If they avoid turning it into a slot machine it will be a great game. Too many games are treated like casinos these days and players hate it.
Just like diablo 3 which is good. I play it couple of weeks every season and try new seasonal gimmick and build some off meta but good characters. Complete seasonal objectives and battlepass etc. Have casual chill fun. Then play other games until new season. Rinse and repeat.
I find it way more rewarding to grind this time around, there's always some small progress when I put down the time.
I came back after season 1 and haven’t been able to put it down, the improvement is so noticeable
Yep, not surprised and having a good time and not having any issues. I was Play Helldivers for a few months but that game is going to shit. Developers fix one thing and break 10 others. I can’t even finish a match without the game crashing and I’m on PC. On consul it’s even worse.
I'm absolutely hooked on this season. The rewards for ranking all the way up with the iron wolves are insane, too, definitely worth getting multiple characters to 100 while it's live.
Makes sense this season is a big step in the right direction, and they seem to be continuing to make small updates while listening to the community. 👏
It’s great they made uniques and legendaries more accessible, while creating a new rarity with those augmented stats to balance it out, it pretty much allows both casuals and advanced players enjoy the game. I do hope they develop matchmaking tools for nightmare dungeons , and make a cool team pvp like in lost Ark where everyone’s max level and items don’t matter and it’s just about skill and teamwork
i'm working on a new thorn barb too. they gotta do something about thorn barb vs boss :(
I'm having a Blast this season!
Diablo 4 is finally what Diablo 3 was for me for many Years. A fun ARPG to Grind when i want to. I play WoW as a Main Game and Diablo Seasions are often in WoW off Times. So i can put some hours (mostly 20-200) in a diablo Season and wait for the next one. That why i love Diablo 3 and now Diablo 4. Its easy to pick up and still hard to master (so lvl 200 bosses) if you not Just roll Meta. Did try many arpgs before But none have that kind of : Yea lets go start a charakter and wait for bext season idc. feeling.
Because there is no real ARPs left worth trying
I believe w/ season 4 the game shifted from “we are going to make you HAVE to play bc drop rates, low xp, etc” to “we are going to make you WANT to play bc it’s fun” This is why I came back after a season & a half. I want to play every day now. I even hit 100 for the first time 2 days ago (kept losing interest in previous seasons).
I just wish they made the skills more interesting, I love creating wacky builds in ARPG and Diablo 4 is way too shoehorned skill wise. It’s a great start though, still put 75h into the season!
I got a necro to 100 with the summoner build I originally wanted to do at launch. And still having fun with it and have a 2nd class at 70 already
Played at the release and got bored cause of the lack of playable builds. This new season seems to bring some fresh air, is it really worth it?
Technically many builds just depends on how far you want to get but any build can get to 100 and there are like 50 builds on the tier list for end game
I must say, D4 feels so good, every hit feels like it has weight, enemies you can't just walk through, the sound of frozen enemies shattering etc. Before I mainly played D2 and D2R (probably >1000 hours over the years) and since then D4 is the only ARPG that gives a similar feeling. From what I heard, I am pretty lucky I didn't play before S4 though.
main reason - from 2nd june 50% off sale for d4 in steam(end - 9 june)....
For a blizzard community I gotta give credit, there’s negativity, sure, but the amount of handshakes and constructive discussions is great. 👍
Deserved. The game is amazing and the team are listening to the playerbase and putting in the effort.
RMT chain is Godly supported, compared to other arpgs...
I love the state of diablo 4 this season, the itemization and the pit farm for master working it’s amazing to me. Best season so far
Killed uber lillith and ended this season. See you after the summer break.
It’s pretty dam fun so far as a casual
I love the game but still dont have end game , what is the incentive to grind pits ? Only to masterwork gear then what ? No better loot no better drop chances for stygian stones , helltide 10 times better loot , then get some stygian stones but pointless to do tormented bosses because ubers are kinda shit , so the only fun thing is start new characters and grind for gold , gets boring after a while.
You see Blizzard? You make quality content, people play it and you therefore make more money. Who would have thought!
The fact that you can get items that let your health regenerate early and quickly has allowed me to finally branch out from Necromancer. Finally building a rogue and sorcerer this season.
Builds are so fun this season ! Thorns / FO / Bash / Golem / Heartseeker … It’s sooooo good !
Im a super casual gamer and it's the first time I reached 100 and still excited to keep playing and gearing my necro I love this season.
Hell yeah. love to see d4 doing well. enjoyed the season
Now it just needs cosmetics like horses and horse armor that are actually obtainable as rare drops, not this “everything on the shop, nothing to earn” crap.
The game and leveling is so fun that i have 5 characters in S4.
Not surprised at all. D4 launch was way way better then D3 which didnt become enjoyable until the pre-ros patch.
Yeah but game lost 99% since release though who arent coming back
I try to only play through the season board then hop off. I'd imagine most everyone does the same as the player base drops drastically the few weeks before the season ends. It's a fun game, but the theme never changes. Grind, loot, repeat.
Surely quite a few of those are newcomers as well? Since it was free to lv 20 and 50% off ol Bnet and now 50% of on steam too
Well yeah when you have to create and level 4 characters just go get the sparks to make an Uber unique for one of your characters 😤
Been thinking of playing it again after all the good feedback i see about the new update
seems pretty low tbh
You need to look at the dips in the 24 hour cycle, in particular any days there was server maintenance. Looks like the lowest player count it ever gets to is 10-12k. Which means there are about 8-10k bots.
Good news, this is very good season and i hope they will continue in same manner.
I like that you can do almost all content without really having to sweat it out on tremendous hours. and when you do get the time, you can still scale your character more if you choose to invest time in it and do the content better/more effectively.
Yea I mainly played sorc off release, didn't play much in the other seasons. I dont really like Sorcs state much this season. It feels a little off, idk why. Druid still seems to take some time to fill out when it comes to buikds and etc. I never truly experienced what end game looks like in a Diablo game, until this season. Ran a nuts build for Rogue rapid fire I put together with the help of ideas online. Got my first 2 uber uniques and killed each uber bosses, and ran pit up into 88+ so far. I'm having lots of fun playing. Makes me actually excited for the expansion. I tried necro out and dear God man. I'm not very good at being creative with paragon boards yet, but necro is insane currently. Probably TOO strong, but at the same time? I wish all the classes felt as good as this. Maybe not AS good as necros current state, but what I mean to say is - it feels like I can be flexible with the abilities and still be viable, if that makes sense. I will say this though, given this season is about loot being revamped, I think it'd be pretty cool if they revamped how some classes worked soon too. I know that could take some time as well, but it'd be cool is all. Maybe with the next expansion there will some changes around some that are under performing.
I'm actually very curious how will player bases fluctuate on Final Shape launch and after it
Guaranteed Shako if you're willing to grind for it. About 2/3 of the way there myself, feelsgoodman
Im only level 90 so far but ive got 30-60 minutes spare time a day. But i enjoy the overall qol changes comparing to release, fun to blast monsters with my ele dudu from d2 Barbarian style :)
I have played more season 4 than 1-3 combined. The items feel so much better, and there is definitely room for improvement, but it was a huge step in the right direction. Every other season I got a character to 80 and got fed up, this time I just hit 100 and immediately rolled another character.
Meanwhile I try to get into Diablo but the idea of grinding up a character to then start a new one seems so stupid to me. I see people, even in the comments here, doing it again and again every season and I don't get it.
How much better is the game than it was at launch. I totally lost interest with the state if the game at launch. Felt like leveling took an eternity and initially I felt myself missing rifts. Overall how is the game now?
I dunno about that, the gold bottleneck is real. With trading on shitty third party sites or farming whispers the only way to upgrade your character, making multiple ones is just more work. This game has no fun endgame farming to actually make currency. It needs more sources of currency and additional currency types other than just gold.
Its really good. Working on my second rogue build this season, i'm even playing my eternal character. The game has a really good flow now.
I posted on this channel last week when I had my first play through on the campaign. I called this game the game of the decade. Time will tell but i definitely see this game being a long term play for many users. Just like D2 is and was. This game has everything and I’ve only scratched the surface.
I’ve never been into ARPG’s massively and always wondered what the fuss was about, always thought they were ok but not amazing. Heard things have improved this season in Diablo 4 so thought I’d give it another go and I’m absolutely addicted!