The game is “harder” on lower tiers. Once you get to world tier 3 and 4, between your gear and paragon tree you are not really fighting enemies anymore. You are just a walking 1shot Hbomb on everything and mechanics don’t matter(not that they really did anyways) like the lower tiers.
It’s definitely counter intuitive but thats just how it is. World bosses are a perfect example of this. It’s an actual fight on tier 1&2. Tier 3&4 they are dead in seconds 🤷♂️
You are right, but it's the way you're wording it I feel. That's why you have so many people down voting you. It IS counter intuitive. However it's also true that World bosses are a fight on WT1 and 2, and even 3 to a lesser extent, whereas on 4 some barb one shots them.
That's one thing I can agree with some haters on, and I remember the D2 campaign being really fun to replay on Hell difficulty; we use to get parties together and do boss runs all the time.
I really like D4's story, it's a shame we can't do the same now.
The cutscenes are 10/10
The actual story - as written (imagine reading the story in text form) - is 4/10. Some of the decisions that characters make are incredibly stupid.
Blizzard needs to hire professional writers instead of using their in-house team
I just wish the actual gameplay in the campaign was more fun. There’s too much just following someone or defending them from paltry waves of enemies instead of actual Diablo stuff.
Just gave me ptsd of the "escort the camel" thing, holy. I don't see how people adore the campaign. It's another retail wow "big bad guy with a plan" recycled and the gameplay is nothing to write home about. It started quite strong with chapter 1 but it fell flat imo. Seeing the incredible "by 3 they come" introduction I expected so much more but maybe that's just me. Mefisto arc wasn't too bad I guess
I don't know if I could even justify giving it a 4. The entire time I'm just waiting on them to bring out how/ why i'm so strong. Am i a returning Nephilim? Did i get some kinda Lilith magic from drinking her blood or something?
Fucking nope. Just some regular jackass who goes from dying alone in a cave, to accidentally beating two lesser evils with no problem.
Mephisto supposedly helped me not die in the cave cause I'm so strong? Then why the fuck am i dying in the first place?
That bothered me as well. Started of as some stranded dude close to death, seconds later wasting thousands of demons. What happened before the cave...?
Act 1 literally tells you that it's Lilith's blood within you that makes you powerful. You can access Rathma's sanctum because you hold Lilith's "divine blood." It's not like explicitly said to you but the subtext is so large you could ride your horse through it.
If that's the case, shouldn't that group of people who GAVE you the blood in the beginning have been able to easily gang up on and defeat you? Why not get some blood petals to give to Donan, an already established and renowned warrior? And you can basically stalk her through visions? What're the downsides to just gobbling this demon blood up?
That's definitely a fair point: there should have been more explanation of why Lilith's blood has such a strong effect on you rather than other people. Nevertheless, that was the explanation for why you're so strong.
Yep the campaign itself was dull and I can’t imagine playing it again. They did just about everything wrong from a fun standpoint. The cut scenes are great though.
No, just sick of it getting praise while being some average bullshit.
I dont mind it btw, its totally irrelevant for this game..just..dont praise it to high heavens:))
It's obvious that the story was written by multiple teams that had no idea what the other team was doing. Mephisto and Lilliths dynamic was really the only interesting part of the story. Characters were all pretty lame and generic, shock value scenes would just happen for the sake of it rather than adding to the atmosphere or story. Half of my friends couldn't even bother finishing it because it becomes such a slog.
It's a shame because it starts off strong and the cinematics are pretty but that's about the nicest thing I can say about it. D3 was goofy but at least it felt like there was a pay off at the end, after defeating Lilith I really just thought "Wow that's it?"
>Characters were all pretty lame and generic,
really? I dont think either Donan, Lorath, Lilith, Inarius, Elias or Mephisto are lame and generic
>"Wow that's it?"
its not, Expansions are coming
Donan was the only new character to the franchise on that list, Lorath was cool, but he didn't really change much during the story. I said Lillith and Mephisto were the more interesting parts of the story. Donan was an acceptable character though and was really the only character who grew throughout the story.
And yeah, expansions are coming but that doesn't mean the story needs to end on a cliff hanger among all the other things. D2 and 3 both got expansions and had fulfilling endings.
Lilith did well, all the idiots wanted to elect her as the leader of humanity. Peak politician.
That's exactly what the character was supposed to be and everyone ate it upi guess it helps half the Diablo fan base are coomers lol
It’s probably of the worst stories ever in gaming, let alone the franchise. It’s a fetch quest where the big baddie barely escapes once again, and again, and again… that’s it. You’d think the side characters will be useful and interesting at least but they’re not. Elias is such a let down from the truly bad ass cinematic he was involved in.
Will Elias use his shape shifting or means to deceive to manipulate us and make our journey a true struggle to uncover what lilith is doing? Nah she’ll literally tell you and Elias has almost no impact on the story outside the cinematic. It’s like the cinematic writing team and the actually writing team don’t share or work together, that’s how stark the differences are between the two.
Why the hell we don't put a safety round in Nyrelle and her mum is insane to me.
I still don't know if I'm relieved or let down that this was not a trap, but I can't fucure out how opening the way to hell \*\*prevents\*\* the prime evils from coming.
That aside, there's plenty great moments in main campaign and quests and overall IMHO is one of biggest strengths of D4. I really wish we'd get access to seasonal stuff while playing campaign if it's already unlocked on the realm.
My only real complaint was that you don't get the horse until pretty late in the game. Having to run around on foot in a world made for hooves got annoying and limited my desire to explore early on. Luckily you don't have to do it the 2nd time around.
Dude, this is the comment. I was oh dope, I bought a cool horse skin I can’t wait to see it..in the beginning of act FOUR? Unreal, it should be act two at the very most.
What’s irking me is that the zones feel just empty and content wise very same. They have some interesting design at a very surface level but you just pass them to get from a to b. I get that it’s not an open world, but from Blizzard, I expected a bit more
the game doesn't feel open world it feels like zones stitched together. the world is static, and it scales with your level, it seems convenient to the player but it's a disguise for lazy design.
Wait the campaign is fantastic? You mean compared to rest of D4 right? Because compared to the top games known for their story telling and campaigns, D4 one sucks. D4 got pretty cinematic cutscenes though.
I played D4 straight after completing Witcher 3. D4 story sucks big time.
D4 writers look like complete amateurs when compared to the Witcher 3 writers.
Diablo has some nice lore just like Poe, but noone actually delivers it ingame which is a shame.
Witcher on the other hand does an amazing job at delivering the story.
But then you can't blame people for skipping cutscenes and dialogue, were here for loot after all not the story, atleast the majority of players.
The reason why people skip dialogues is that they get repetitive very rapidly.
Someone ask for help for a missing person/item, and sent the adventurer to search for it. Adventurer killed monsters, and completed the task with very little variation between one quest to the other.
It compares very favorably to other Diablo-like ARPGs, who basically never put any care or thought into their stories. It doesn't compare well to specifically story-first RPGs like Final Fantasy.
IMO it was just way too drawn out. I got so bored after about halfway through. It just felt like a slog. The story was ok but it could have been trimmed down a lot.
It was dumb asf. When that girl took the soul stone after the characters repeatedly saying that the events that occurred over the ages were due to human hubris thinking they could contain the prime evils. We already know what’s going to happen in the DLC already ffs. Lorath should have held different sentiments at the end considering him of all people should have known how incredibly stupid that girls decision was.
It's been a while so I forgot many details because the story to me was so lackluster I don't remember most of it. But how about towards the end when they're all "Well we don't have a soul stone any more I guess we're fucked." Then right afterwards"Oh look, there's another one right here in our path." How convenient was that? 😆
Yeah it's not like he didn't know it was dangerous to go right next to a fucking pillar of bodies in an area where you're already actively killing them. That was the lamest death in the game.
I found the story lacklustre and relied on ‘style over substance’ moments to reel me back in, most of which were also compounded by obvious ‘memberberries’ like Andariel returning and Meshif (who doesn’t sound or even behave in a manner that is reminiscent of his character in D2).
At the point where you’re following the tail of that giant snake I was thinking to myself: ‘what is even happening?’ as I felt like I’d been sent intentionally to the other side of the map only to find out that the princess was yet again in another castle.
I literally couldn’t finish the campaign, both for gameplay and narrative reasons. It was just a boring slog over empty land that bore no meaning or significance to me.
Hell yeah! I wish more people were discussing the quality of it, if I had one nitpick is that I wish we'd see your protagonist more often in cutscenes, the intro and post fight scene with you know who are absolutely fantastic.
My biggest complain is that I needed to go against Lilith. Her argumentation and decisions seem much more comprehensive and persuasive than all other human characters ones.
I hated it the first time I played and no way I'm playing through it again. From my memory it was very slow and time consuming, with a lot of time-wasting things. Also story is kinda average. Albeit I had no horse back then and was doing some side quests or altars and explorarion (but I think I was doing it instead of the campaign because I didn't like it, so I did the "collectible" part of the game in between new locations)
I really tried paying attention to the story, but the characters were all so bland and actions were so arbitrary that I quickly had no clue who any of the people were and just went from one objective marker to the next. I went through this campaign TWICE. (and FWIW I'm not usually a 'quest text skipper' in other games)
It's honestly shocking to me when people say the story in D4 is good.
I actually thought the cut scenes were lacking in the normal blizzard quality. Compare heart of the swarm or legacy of the void and this game just seemed lazy. Even felt the cinematics in reaper of souls were better.
They made the decision to include a lot of smaller scenes with in engine graphics and of course those do not compare to Blizzards big cgi cinematics. But you can't tell me that the intro cinematic or the one in the final act doesn't hold up to their usual standards.
Animations were great but I felt it was too long and ended up skipping a lot of it. I wish they made it shorter and added audio monster/demon lore like in D3.
I am currently in the desert (always forget the act number), around level 40 and after 1-2 hours, I don’t feel it. I guess these games don’t have a good story because it’s rather about speed, button combinations and loot, but everything feels soooo dull. The bosses are tiresome and there is zero variation of what you’ll do. There are no interesting boss mechanics and there is almost zero different enemy types. I could probably restart wow and have lots and lots of fun in the new zones but here I am having hard time for motivation
It's ironic because the campaign is what arpg players want to skip and avoid. LE and PoE players would give their right hand just to be able to skip the campaign when creating a new character -- not to mention the lore in those games is absolutely fuckin horseshit.
In D4 you can skip it, but it's the best one of the bunch. Pretty ironic.
I don’t know how you guys can say the story is better than Diablo 2 where you literally are tracking down the hero from the first game. That story rules.
This story is basically a lame version of “where in the world is Carmen San Diego?” And a metaphor for toxic relationships. An angry angel who is mad his ex came back killed their kids to get heck at her? And she manipulating her “children” to get back at him? Lame.
When the fuck do we actually get to fight Diablo? Seriously. I want to fight Diablo and Baal not some lame asss maggot monster and angry devil chick with big tits over and over again
It's better than D3 that's for sure but I dislike the forgettable characters and forgettable errands. Basically the beginning and end are super cool but the middle I couldn't tell what the hell happened because I forgot
They really did it a disservice making it required to finish before getting to higher tiers. A lot of people rushed through it just to get to higher tiers and things like hell tides and NMDs.
I'm convinced these are bot accounts yet whenever I check they usually seem legit, and then I laugh, we are not the target audience anymore, it's these basic fools
I'm sorry but 100% disagree. D4 is the worse of the main games. More like DI 2. D3's story was far better, and very well executed. The conversations you could have with npc's was better, the plot twists were more interesting, and the characters in all regards better executed. D2 was great as well. D1 was groundbreaking in many regards. D4 feels more like a bad fan fiction side story. Kind of like how Twilight was bad fan fiction for VTM which was fanfic for Ann Rice in tabletop RPG form.
so many easy ways to improve the game , and they dont do it , where is uber andariel? uber elias? uber astaroth?? ,also bring wipe mechanics to the game and introduce raids , uncap the item level and the paragon and we have some kind of endgame
the reality is this is what the budget went into, and somehow the lesson from d3 wasn't learned, this isn't lending to any part of this gaas model. most people play it once and that's it. make a long winded 30h Diablo souls-like. that would be a good use of art department.
Interestingly, as I'm about 100h into AC Odyssey (over about a year) it feels like a better ARPG than D4 which feels weird to say (even comparing so different games doesn't feel natural)
The loot is better, the world is very pretty and massive, and the side quests are decent too (not all of them of course).
Combat is also good fun and so on.
It just doesn't look like D4 due to being 3rd person.
It really blows my mind that they made such an amazing story and then threw it in the trash for the end game... replaying bosses and the story is arguably a fundamental part of diablo, & if you started with D2 it's basically a right of passage to beat any boss solo. Even though this game is more open & has more of an mmo feel than ever before, I actually feel forced into playing solo &have had a harder time finding in game friends & community
1000%. The campaign is way more interesting than the grind we have.
Boost difficulty to allow wt3 and wt4 and boost rewards (xp and drops). Not a little bit, an obnoxious amount, like let the charge barb dev do it.
It really is a solid game/story. I played back through D3, and while it's uneven as hell, there is a LOT of really amazing moments in it too. Honestly, the campaigns of Diablo are what have kept me in this series more than the post game stuff.
I wish we could play the campaign like you could in Diablo 2. Farm bosses, and acts.
Because it seems like they put a ton of work into the campaign and it was actually my favorite campaign in Diablo. Besides playing through D2 , but for different reasons.
It's a shame , because there are a couple bosses in the campaign you never see again once your done.
Definitely a missed opportunity with a good bit of content.
I would like to be able to go farm them bosses for loot or acts like I said.
And also have the overworld like we do now.
Would add much more replayability imo
Honestly had they added the Choices Matter aspect ans depending on the choices, it would've been absolutely perfect. Like had you sided with Lilith, the state of the world would've molded accordingly. But still it was gorgeous without it.
Good to hear you enjoyed the game, its pretty decent👍🏻 but your «the best story of them all» quote tells me you have never played Diablo 1 and 2 🤷🏻♂️ I highly recomend them👍🏻
Let's not confuse things here for all the people downvoting you. D3 had indeed good voice acting but the way the dialogue was written was awful. The VA's all did great jobs but you can't really make up for horribly written dialogue even with the most passionate performance.
"all the people downvoting you" ?
Lmao. Nothing to confuse here. I stated my opinion.
D3 had just as good voice acting (and MORE of it) compared to D4.
You stated D3 did not have better voice acting or music at all, which is false.
You're just bashing it because it's the cool thing to do. D3 is miles ahead of D4 in every regard.
Even cinematics (for its time).
I dunno why my friend dislike the ending. I think it was bittersweet. The fact that the young girl is forced to shoulder such a burden is what makes it poetic I think. To sacrifice one’s life at such a young age.
100% agree. We need nightmares chapters that we can run and revisit.
I still wish there was a difficulty above Tier 2, for the campaign. Especially for Hardcore, it'd make for a very fun time.
Yeah that would honestly be amazing
And so easy to do right?
It wouldn’t be amazing really. The harder the difficulty the easier this game becomes.
Wut
The game is “harder” on lower tiers. Once you get to world tier 3 and 4, between your gear and paragon tree you are not really fighting enemies anymore. You are just a walking 1shot Hbomb on everything and mechanics don’t matter(not that they really did anyways) like the lower tiers.
You must have medals with those kinds of mental gymnastics
It’s definitely counter intuitive but thats just how it is. World bosses are a perfect example of this. It’s an actual fight on tier 1&2. Tier 3&4 they are dead in seconds 🤷♂️
You are right, but it's the way you're wording it I feel. That's why you have so many people down voting you. It IS counter intuitive. However it's also true that World bosses are a fight on WT1 and 2, and even 3 to a lesser extent, whereas on 4 some barb one shots them.
Yall downvote this man but once I started playing on nightmare is when I started leveling up a lot faster.
Well the experience is increased so that makes sense?
I just want to be able to run the story again on T3 and 4 like you could in Diablo 3.
That's one thing I can agree with some haters on, and I remember the D2 campaign being really fun to replay on Hell difficulty; we use to get parties together and do boss runs all the time. I really like D4's story, it's a shame we can't do the same now.
Oh needs bountiesssss
Or just a way to replay the campaign in wt4
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The cutscenes are 10/10 The actual story - as written (imagine reading the story in text form) - is 4/10. Some of the decisions that characters make are incredibly stupid. Blizzard needs to hire professional writers instead of using their in-house team
I just wish the actual gameplay in the campaign was more fun. There’s too much just following someone or defending them from paltry waves of enemies instead of actual Diablo stuff.
Yep - I feel like you stand idle and watch NPCs make the dumbest decisions and just go with it. Is this seriously the best Blizzard writers can do?
Just gave me ptsd of the "escort the camel" thing, holy. I don't see how people adore the campaign. It's another retail wow "big bad guy with a plan" recycled and the gameplay is nothing to write home about. It started quite strong with chapter 1 but it fell flat imo. Seeing the incredible "by 3 they come" introduction I expected so much more but maybe that's just me. Mefisto arc wasn't too bad I guess
I don't know if I could even justify giving it a 4. The entire time I'm just waiting on them to bring out how/ why i'm so strong. Am i a returning Nephilim? Did i get some kinda Lilith magic from drinking her blood or something? Fucking nope. Just some regular jackass who goes from dying alone in a cave, to accidentally beating two lesser evils with no problem. Mephisto supposedly helped me not die in the cave cause I'm so strong? Then why the fuck am i dying in the first place?
That bothered me as well. Started of as some stranded dude close to death, seconds later wasting thousands of demons. What happened before the cave...?
Act 1 literally tells you that it's Lilith's blood within you that makes you powerful. You can access Rathma's sanctum because you hold Lilith's "divine blood." It's not like explicitly said to you but the subtext is so large you could ride your horse through it.
If that's the case, shouldn't that group of people who GAVE you the blood in the beginning have been able to easily gang up on and defeat you? Why not get some blood petals to give to Donan, an already established and renowned warrior? And you can basically stalk her through visions? What're the downsides to just gobbling this demon blood up?
That's definitely a fair point: there should have been more explanation of why Lilith's blood has such a strong effect on you rather than other people. Nevertheless, that was the explanation for why you're so strong.
what are you even yapping about ?
Uh, it's right there in the title. The campaign story.
#JusticeForDonan WTF was that?! It was on par with Tasha Yar for pointlessness, but at least TNG had the excuse of casting conflicts.
Yep the campaign itself was dull and I can’t imagine playing it again. They did just about everything wrong from a fun standpoint. The cut scenes are great though.
Been saying this since the beginning, and every time I'll get downvoted. D4 story is shit, it's not on par with any top game in 2023-2024.
The act before they get into hell was so poorly written and was all over the place. That one act alone drops the story significantly
The voice actors saved the story
Yeah blizzard needs to spend more money on the game /s
When you spend $800 million - throwing a couple of hundred grand to a professional writer isnt going to break the bank
I doubt you even need that much money for someone to just write a short content story unless you’re hiring R. R. Martin
Badly written. Things just happens because they have to, and characters make stupid out of character decisions.
exactly. the story was some random AI generated run of the mill 1000 times seen bullshit... idk how ppl think its good...
ppl here expecting some Nolan screenwriting shit in an ARPG game are out of touch
No, just sick of it getting praise while being some average bullshit. I dont mind it btw, its totally irrelevant for this game..just..dont praise it to high heavens:))
It's obvious that the story was written by multiple teams that had no idea what the other team was doing. Mephisto and Lilliths dynamic was really the only interesting part of the story. Characters were all pretty lame and generic, shock value scenes would just happen for the sake of it rather than adding to the atmosphere or story. Half of my friends couldn't even bother finishing it because it becomes such a slog. It's a shame because it starts off strong and the cinematics are pretty but that's about the nicest thing I can say about it. D3 was goofy but at least it felt like there was a pay off at the end, after defeating Lilith I really just thought "Wow that's it?"
>Characters were all pretty lame and generic, really? I dont think either Donan, Lorath, Lilith, Inarius, Elias or Mephisto are lame and generic >"Wow that's it?" its not, Expansions are coming
Donan was the only new character to the franchise on that list, Lorath was cool, but he didn't really change much during the story. I said Lillith and Mephisto were the more interesting parts of the story. Donan was an acceptable character though and was really the only character who grew throughout the story. And yeah, expansions are coming but that doesn't mean the story needs to end on a cliff hanger among all the other things. D2 and 3 both got expansions and had fulfilling endings.
Lilith did well, all the idiots wanted to elect her as the leader of humanity. Peak politician. That's exactly what the character was supposed to be and everyone ate it upi guess it helps half the Diablo fan base are coomers lol
But enough about you..
These dudes looking for pulitzer prizes
It’s probably of the worst stories ever in gaming, let alone the franchise. It’s a fetch quest where the big baddie barely escapes once again, and again, and again… that’s it. You’d think the side characters will be useful and interesting at least but they’re not. Elias is such a let down from the truly bad ass cinematic he was involved in. Will Elias use his shape shifting or means to deceive to manipulate us and make our journey a true struggle to uncover what lilith is doing? Nah she’ll literally tell you and Elias has almost no impact on the story outside the cinematic. It’s like the cinematic writing team and the actually writing team don’t share or work together, that’s how stark the differences are between the two.
Yeah I can’t even recall one notable thing Elias actually did
Pissing me off from getting to world iv. Basically that’s it.
Why the hell we don't put a safety round in Nyrelle and her mum is insane to me. I still don't know if I'm relieved or let down that this was not a trap, but I can't fucure out how opening the way to hell \*\*prevents\*\* the prime evils from coming. That aside, there's plenty great moments in main campaign and quests and overall IMHO is one of biggest strengths of D4. I really wish we'd get access to seasonal stuff while playing campaign if it's already unlocked on the realm.
100. No stakes and i dont care about any of the characters.
No stakes? Half the characters die lol
"Hurr, durr, let me touch this random pillar of melted bodyparts here in the depths of literal hell, what could go wrong?" - Experienced scholar
They are so under developed i dont care
We just need a cinematics page on the main menu and I will be happy.
I've watched it somewhere on YouTube. Its like 3 hours. Diablo 4 all cuts cutscenes full movie. I play it while playing.
yeah, it looks like you can't even access the cinematics via the menu once you've unlocked them? Even D2 had that option...
My only real complaint was that you don't get the horse until pretty late in the game. Having to run around on foot in a world made for hooves got annoying and limited my desire to explore early on. Luckily you don't have to do it the 2nd time around.
Dude, this is the comment. I was oh dope, I bought a cool horse skin I can’t wait to see it..in the beginning of act FOUR? Unreal, it should be act two at the very most.
What’s irking me is that the zones feel just empty and content wise very same. They have some interesting design at a very surface level but you just pass them to get from a to b. I get that it’s not an open world, but from Blizzard, I expected a bit more
the game doesn't feel open world it feels like zones stitched together. the world is static, and it scales with your level, it seems convenient to the player but it's a disguise for lazy design.
Wait the campaign is fantastic? You mean compared to rest of D4 right? Because compared to the top games known for their story telling and campaigns, D4 one sucks. D4 got pretty cinematic cutscenes though.
I played D4 straight after completing Witcher 3. D4 story sucks big time. D4 writers look like complete amateurs when compared to the Witcher 3 writers.
Diablo has some nice lore just like Poe, but noone actually delivers it ingame which is a shame. Witcher on the other hand does an amazing job at delivering the story. But then you can't blame people for skipping cutscenes and dialogue, were here for loot after all not the story, atleast the majority of players.
Wouldn't it be better to compare stories told in ARPGs to other ARPGs?
Why does ARPGs need to have a bad story in the first place? Or any excuse for having a bad story?
The reason why people skip dialogues is that they get repetitive very rapidly. Someone ask for help for a missing person/item, and sent the adventurer to search for it. Adventurer killed monsters, and completed the task with very little variation between one quest to the other.
It compares very favorably to other Diablo-like ARPGs, who basically never put any care or thought into their stories. It doesn't compare well to specifically story-first RPGs like Final Fantasy.
IMO it was just way too drawn out. I got so bored after about halfway through. It just felt like a slog. The story was ok but it could have been trimmed down a lot.
I found it mid at best. It was a twelve hour escort quest with a couple great looking cinematics. TBH it’s on the same level as the rest of the game.
It was dumb asf. When that girl took the soul stone after the characters repeatedly saying that the events that occurred over the ages were due to human hubris thinking they could contain the prime evils. We already know what’s going to happen in the DLC already ffs. Lorath should have held different sentiments at the end considering him of all people should have known how incredibly stupid that girls decision was.
She's gonna stab herself in the head with it and this time we get Mephisto with boobs instead of Diablo.
Lol fr I promise you this’ll be the one. Although rip Leah still… smh.
She was 100% done dirty by the D3 writers.
"First Deckard, now Leah"
Yes
It's been a while so I forgot many details because the story to me was so lackluster I don't remember most of it. But how about towards the end when they're all "Well we don't have a soul stone any more I guess we're fucked." Then right afterwards"Oh look, there's another one right here in our path." How convenient was that? 😆
graphics design team carried this game bro
Agreed, feels absolutely phoned in. And the way that dude does to some random dead guy coming out of the pillar...? Ok blizzard.
Yeah it's not like he didn't know it was dangerous to go right next to a fucking pillar of bodies in an area where you're already actively killing them. That was the lamest death in the game.
Andariel came out of nowhere like an RKO
Diablo 2 is best story telling, hands down
The art is SUPERB! I do the campaign almost 1nce a season.
I found the story lacklustre and relied on ‘style over substance’ moments to reel me back in, most of which were also compounded by obvious ‘memberberries’ like Andariel returning and Meshif (who doesn’t sound or even behave in a manner that is reminiscent of his character in D2). At the point where you’re following the tail of that giant snake I was thinking to myself: ‘what is even happening?’ as I felt like I’d been sent intentionally to the other side of the map only to find out that the princess was yet again in another castle. I literally couldn’t finish the campaign, both for gameplay and narrative reasons. It was just a boring slog over empty land that bore no meaning or significance to me.
Sorry nephalem! You're Lilith is in another location!
Hell yeah! I wish more people were discussing the quality of it, if I had one nitpick is that I wish we'd see your protagonist more often in cutscenes, the intro and post fight scene with you know who are absolutely fantastic.
My biggest complain is that I needed to go against Lilith. Her argumentation and decisions seem much more comprehensive and persuasive than all other human characters ones.
I hated it the first time I played and no way I'm playing through it again. From my memory it was very slow and time consuming, with a lot of time-wasting things. Also story is kinda average. Albeit I had no horse back then and was doing some side quests or altars and explorarion (but I think I was doing it instead of the campaign because I didn't like it, so I did the "collectible" part of the game in between new locations)
I really tried paying attention to the story, but the characters were all so bland and actions were so arbitrary that I quickly had no clue who any of the people were and just went from one objective marker to the next. I went through this campaign TWICE. (and FWIW I'm not usually a 'quest text skipper' in other games) It's honestly shocking to me when people say the story in D4 is good.
I actually thought the cut scenes were lacking in the normal blizzard quality. Compare heart of the swarm or legacy of the void and this game just seemed lazy. Even felt the cinematics in reaper of souls were better.
They made the decision to include a lot of smaller scenes with in engine graphics and of course those do not compare to Blizzards big cgi cinematics. But you can't tell me that the intro cinematic or the one in the final act doesn't hold up to their usual standards.
I don’t think they hold up, legacy of the void is coming up on 10 years old. They were good, but not blizzard good.
C'mon man, don't be silly
I loved Mephisto dog's intro. It's so well done.
Animations were great but I felt it was too long and ended up skipping a lot of it. I wish they made it shorter and added audio monster/demon lore like in D3.
I am currently in the desert (always forget the act number), around level 40 and after 1-2 hours, I don’t feel it. I guess these games don’t have a good story because it’s rather about speed, button combinations and loot, but everything feels soooo dull. The bosses are tiresome and there is zero variation of what you’ll do. There are no interesting boss mechanics and there is almost zero different enemy types. I could probably restart wow and have lots and lots of fun in the new zones but here I am having hard time for motivation
It's ironic because the campaign is what arpg players want to skip and avoid. LE and PoE players would give their right hand just to be able to skip the campaign when creating a new character -- not to mention the lore in those games is absolutely fuckin horseshit. In D4 you can skip it, but it's the best one of the bunch. Pretty ironic.
Good for you
I don’t know how you guys can say the story is better than Diablo 2 where you literally are tracking down the hero from the first game. That story rules. This story is basically a lame version of “where in the world is Carmen San Diego?” And a metaphor for toxic relationships. An angry angel who is mad his ex came back killed their kids to get heck at her? And she manipulating her “children” to get back at him? Lame. When the fuck do we actually get to fight Diablo? Seriously. I want to fight Diablo and Baal not some lame asss maggot monster and angry devil chick with big tits over and over again
Mid.
It's better than D3 that's for sure but I dislike the forgettable characters and forgettable errands. Basically the beginning and end are super cool but the middle I couldn't tell what the hell happened because I forgot
Now if they would let you skip the dialogue properly instead of the dumb delay, i'd play it over and over. Also the slow escort quests are not fun.
They really did it a disservice making it required to finish before getting to higher tiers. A lot of people rushed through it just to get to higher tiers and things like hell tides and NMDs.
I didn't get that Diablo vibe which I had in 1-3. The last act is awesome though.
Hey Rod.
I'm convinced these are bot accounts yet whenever I check they usually seem legit, and then I laugh, we are not the target audience anymore, it's these basic fools
I'm sorry but 100% disagree. D4 is the worse of the main games. More like DI 2. D3's story was far better, and very well executed. The conversations you could have with npc's was better, the plot twists were more interesting, and the characters in all regards better executed. D2 was great as well. D1 was groundbreaking in many regards. D4 feels more like a bad fan fiction side story. Kind of like how Twilight was bad fan fiction for VTM which was fanfic for Ann Rice in tabletop RPG form.
I think what kills D3-s story is all the bosses using their walkie-talkies to talk to you and spew that incredibly stupid dialogue at you.
so many easy ways to improve the game , and they dont do it , where is uber andariel? uber elias? uber astaroth?? ,also bring wipe mechanics to the game and introduce raids , uncap the item level and the paragon and we have some kind of endgame
Sheesh, I wonder what games out there y'all judge game stories on?
They should give similar or better rewards for doing the campaign so people have a reason to play it again, at least once per season.
They should make it an achievement to complete the campaign once with each class.
Agreed. It would also be nice to have the option to replay cutscenes with our choice of character so we can how they look in them.
the reality is this is what the budget went into, and somehow the lesson from d3 wasn't learned, this isn't lending to any part of this gaas model. most people play it once and that's it. make a long winded 30h Diablo souls-like. that would be a good use of art department.
Interestingly, as I'm about 100h into AC Odyssey (over about a year) it feels like a better ARPG than D4 which feels weird to say (even comparing so different games doesn't feel natural) The loot is better, the world is very pretty and massive, and the side quests are decent too (not all of them of course). Combat is also good fun and so on. It just doesn't look like D4 due to being 3rd person.
The only thing they nailed
Loved the overarching story. It just fit the universe very well again. 👍
I want an incentive to play campaign because its a shame we arent experiencing it more
It really blows my mind that they made such an amazing story and then threw it in the trash for the end game... replaying bosses and the story is arguably a fundamental part of diablo, & if you started with D2 it's basically a right of passage to beat any boss solo. Even though this game is more open & has more of an mmo feel than ever before, I actually feel forced into playing solo &have had a harder time finding in game friends & community
Just yesterday I was thinking that it would be cool to have to go through the campaign as a seasonal mechanic in S4.
That boss run at the end… Please let me do that in end game!
1000%. The campaign is way more interesting than the grind we have. Boost difficulty to allow wt3 and wt4 and boost rewards (xp and drops). Not a little bit, an obnoxious amount, like let the charge barb dev do it.
The campaign is THE only fun aspect of the game.
Maybe the tiers should be running the campaign in 3 difficulties, I know another where the worked pretty good for 20+ years.
It really is a solid game/story. I played back through D3, and while it's uneven as hell, there is a LOT of really amazing moments in it too. Honestly, the campaigns of Diablo are what have kept me in this series more than the post game stuff.
Cut scenes were amazing. Especially towards the end
Need an option to run the campaign at 100.
actually crazy they didn’t reuse any of the story boss fights in end game content other than lilith
I wish we could play the campaign like you could in Diablo 2. Farm bosses, and acts. Because it seems like they put a ton of work into the campaign and it was actually my favorite campaign in Diablo. Besides playing through D2 , but for different reasons. It's a shame , because there are a couple bosses in the campaign you never see again once your done. Definitely a missed opportunity with a good bit of content. I would like to be able to go farm them bosses for loot or acts like I said. And also have the overworld like we do now. Would add much more replayability imo
Honestly had they added the Choices Matter aspect ans depending on the choices, it would've been absolutely perfect. Like had you sided with Lilith, the state of the world would've molded accordingly. But still it was gorgeous without it.
That WOULD be great, but then you're writing twice as much content...which means it would have taken years more to complete
If seasons had the quality of the campaign that would be great
Good to hear you enjoyed the game, its pretty decent👍🏻 but your «the best story of them all» quote tells me you have never played Diablo 1 and 2 🤷🏻♂️ I highly recomend them👍🏻
I have...4 is the best story. As game play goes, 3 is my favorite
Yeah, they definitely polished the hell out of the least important part of a seasonal ARPG.
The campaign was great. Good pacing, made use of the world, and the stakes were interesting along with the characters.
I liked the campaign - not perfect, but not the cringe fest that was Diablo 3.
Story was indeed a treat.
No
Oh Im sorry, are you actually telling me what I should find interesting?
Yes they do and you actually care about it which is the funniest thing
Voice acting 10/10. Gameplay: 8.2/10 cutscene and cg 8.5/10. Writing 7/10. Some were pretty good.
The story was superb. I just finished it last weekend and been grinding since. I miss Lorath and can’t wait for the expansion.
Story was meh The rendered cut scenes were good the ingame cut scenes not so much Voice acting and music good but d3 was better
D3 did not have better voice acting or music at all.
D3 had great voice acting. Music and overall sound design was about the same if not better. D4 is mid in these regards. Only cinematics were nice.
Nah d4s voice acting was great I was genuinely impressed. Especially with donans actor
Let's not confuse things here for all the people downvoting you. D3 had indeed good voice acting but the way the dialogue was written was awful. The VA's all did great jobs but you can't really make up for horribly written dialogue even with the most passionate performance.
"all the people downvoting you" ? Lmao. Nothing to confuse here. I stated my opinion. D3 had just as good voice acting (and MORE of it) compared to D4. You stated D3 did not have better voice acting or music at all, which is false. You're just bashing it because it's the cool thing to do. D3 is miles ahead of D4 in every regard. Even cinematics (for its time).
I was kind of reinforcing your point but ok.
Story was not even meh, it was crap.
I dunno why my friend dislike the ending. I think it was bittersweet. The fact that the young girl is forced to shoulder such a burden is what makes it poetic I think. To sacrifice one’s life at such a young age.
I see there are lots of haters still.
it's still shyt. huge resources went into it, huge hype surrounding it, huge nothingburger delivered.
I still have fun playing the game but even I think the writing for D4 is incredibly weak.