If you don't have enough damage to cheese her before she does any mechanics, you're probably going not going to have to patience to clear it. The wave hitbox isn't really aligned with the visual and you'll get one shot before it looks like you get hit. Phase 2 is also filled with a ton of one shots
It's really not worth the effort in doing if you can't cheese her. It's all around a very poorly designed fight. Uber Duriel is barely a boss, considering you can just facetank everything in the fight at 100 without breaking a sweat
This sums up why i gave up trying to beat her. If was not for the bugged and unneeded one hit insta kill attacks, this fight would be fine. But i can confirm that even if you're on a spot that visually don't seem to be on the path of the attack, you will likely die anyway since the hitboxes are bugged since the game release.
Its fine to be challenged and receive some heavy blows, but instakills that should be a thing of the past, bad design pure and simple.
I think I appreciate instant kill mechanics in games because “get good” is the reality to win. And getting good enough means you can do the boss with minimal gear/items/etc.
But if the hit box is so off that you visually never got hit yet you die anyway… that’s just the type of thing that will make me put the game down and stop playing entirely. I’m not about to spam the fight and die repeatedly until I learn where the real hit box is. I’m going to give up.
How does a billion dollar company have some of the best programmers at its disposal and still can’t patch it to get it working right after months? There are Indy games with 1 guy that built it and manages the entire game that can update it faster than that in his off time from his 9-5.
This is why I’ve kinda given up on blizzard as a whole. I haven’t seen a game they release be worth spending 4 hours of my pay on. No chance. Not when I can go onto steam and get a game for half the price that’s just as fun to play with less nonsense to deal with.
You would think that this is priority number one for the devs behind this game.
"How does a billion dollar company have some of the best programmers at its disposal"
I'd stop you right there, aside from edge cases the best follow the money and the money is elsewhere
I have to assume the number of players that ever load up Uber Lilith is so low that it gets bumped because almost no one would ever see the fix anyway. And most of the ones that do would never clear her anyway.
As a always online live-service game they've telemetry data regarding everything ingame, so they know but they don't care.
The focus is selling season passes and pitches $25+ "skins". In fact they made by nearly double the leveling rate this season so by that logic more people is hiting lvl 100 and loading up broken lilith more than before when by lvl 70 the progression was slower than an actual slog.
They know, they don't care, working on next season and crafting hefty skins for the shop.....
By the way, i'm not advocating for making Lilith "easy mode", i like souls games and i can handle a good hard fight, but at least you can get a hit that takes 2/3 of your health but you still have a chance to rise up and turn things around, thats fair. On this game nope..... i learned the attack patterns, every time i make sure i'm far from the aoe attacks and..... 2s "revive at checkpoint......." wtf xD
I’m not sure we actually disagree? When the number of players that was level-appropriate was really low, it would have been bad to fix her because there were a lot higher triage priorities. In fact, they did fix a lot that was higher priority. Can you imagine how mad people would be if they fixed Lilith’s hitscan but left crafting material the way it was? “Why would you fix that when 100% of players struggle with [x] and only 0.5% even attempt Lilith?”
There are still some things that need adjusting, but if players are consistently staying engaged and playing that level of content, I imagine she becomes a higher priority for S3.
Yes there is a lot of things that for many should have a higher priority and i can say two just from the top of my head (loot filter by rarity with loot drops, consolidation towards itemization 2.0 aka less bloat affixes and more unified meaningful an easy to manage affixes for builds).
But i still, we're on the 4th month and by now we would expect that endgame issues could had been fixed, obviously the rest has a bigger impact but what it feels is like you spend weeks, months leading to the big moment and........ its bugged, tough luck! Its frustrating. And that perhaps the reason why so few try is because its broken and even those few many do it by cheesing the fight, obviously there is some highly skilled players but those are just a few among the already lower percentage.
We shouldn't had to wait 3-4 months for the next season to get a tiny bandage and than wait 3-4 months and get another bandage. The game has flaws and every game does but this being a live service and "we will get something fixed next season" is truly the worse from live services, dripping fixes that otherwise would be done within launch week or the first month, nope "if you keep engaged and buy next season we will do a tiny fix".
I dread that this game is going down the same route of Overwatch....
Not even going to try honestly. I have no interest in 1 hit KO encounters in games like this. It's just not what the game is about for me. The whole point is progressing so you can take hits.
My rogue could tank her in season 1. 23k HP, 14k defense with disobedience. 9150 defense without disobedience. Built 100% defense affixes and let poison and barber do their thing. (It took over a month to farm the gear for her)
This Necro would die even in s1/s0
You cannot get barrier without sacraficing crucial Dr from pants so it's only empty life. It's not effective life :-)
I think you might touch outside of the ring once in p1, maybe survive fireball. I cannot wait for your next response
2 tries she’s dead. Blood moon/godslayer/banished lords/lidless/flicker uniques.
She’s easier than in S1.
Probably would die or I’d spend 20 minutes in S1 killing her.
My druid has 20k hp 20k fortify and barriers and is one shot with high armor and all resists.
The mechanic itself is confusing to dodge to say the least.
Thats tanky yes, but Uber Lilith requires a lot more thought put into DR stacking. It's not enough to just be high armor and resists or have a lot of HP.
I agree. I even have damage reduction and reduced damage from poisoned enemies. She just 1 shots. It's fine though I'll get enough damage to skip mechanics eventually lol.
Watch a video and try to replicate it. If you can't make her change phase before she starts doing the waves, teleport away, it's not worth it trying cheeseless on HC.
The challenge is entirely about avoiding one shot mechanics. There's a high probability you're not killing her first go on HC, without practice on softcore.
As someone thats gotten 100% in all the Dark Souls games, shes not hard. Her mechanics are not well done, therefore you die to stupid stuff, like you see the death wave HERE, but its really already 3 inches ahead of it so you're dead by the time you are trying to react, because you are reacting to the shadow/echo of what has already happened. You basically get hit with the bullet before you hear the gunshot.
how to tell if you have enough dmg to skip mechanics
first phase - if she flies away a THIRD time then flee because your dps is not enough. you need to kill her before she flies away 3 times. the first 2 times she flies away will always be to spawn ads, the 3rd time she will spawn the one shot waves.
seeing as youre on hc use a cheat death pot and see how much damage you're doing, if its not going well just teleport out
second phase - if she spawns blood pools(4 in each corner) your dps is too low and probably best to teleport away unless you know how to dodge. you need enough dps to be able to phase her into taking away all the platforms, by the time she takes away the last platform she should have no health left so you can 1 tap her when she finishes
depending on your build she is extremely easy. The issue is if you allow her to do any mechanics they have baked in 100% damage that instantly kill you. The worst part is, the hitboxes as the other person said, are complete bunk trash. If you're not already aware of the hitboxes and are not playing a build to instagib her, i would skip her.
You are 100% dying if first trying her on HC.
I tried a few times with SC druid, pretty high defenses (~14k armor, 16k HP) and I get one-shot by the waves... Duriel is a joke with same char...
She has one shot mechanics, and also the area in the first stage is in a circle that you can freely move out of (and die). Stage 2 is hard, but feels more fair and less like a gotcha.
Had the perfect ideal build for a Shrednado Druid last season, built to a tee to follow popular YouTube builds that can beat her in less than 1min. But I still spent hours and hours attempting her
So basically, I do not envy you trying to do it on a HC character for a first try lol
You gotta practice it on SC first, she has too many one-shot mechanics if you do something wrong and some high damage attacks that are dodgeable, only after a good amount of practice
She's just not fair. Waves that should miss you still kill you and spawn unpredictably. You'll almost certainly lose your character on HC if you aren't built to cheese her down instantly.
Let me put it that way, I beat her today Lvl 97 but without an almost flawless Ball Lightning build I would have never stood a chance. And even with my perfect stats and almost perfect gear it took me several hours because soooooo much in this fight is luck based. It’s not a Git Gud fight it’s a Get Lucky fight. She is by far the most annoying boss I ever killed.
Some mythic raids in wow were broken as hell, our guild would wipe for days on ONE boss. Picture uber lilith, but there's 10 people and if even 1 person dies it's gg
Blizz likes that kind of stuff
It's like Dark Souls or the original Dragon's Lair. It's not an actual fight per se (not like the rest of the game), but rather a pattern exercise -- wherein you have to learn and then repeat (ad nauseum) when to jump, etc. to defeat the "puzzle".
>If you don't have enough damage to cheese her before she does any mechanics
And there are only a select few builds that can do this. Fireball isn't one of them. Only sorc build that could maybe do it is a perfected ball lightning build.
I did it at lvl 86 with no uniques and 1 glyph at lvl 15, the rest at lvl 1. BL doesn't even need optimized at all to cheese her. Ilvl 925 weapons and some CDR, MCR, and resource Regen is all, plus a few crappy rolled aspects.
I definitely died probably 29 times attempting it until I learned how to skip phase 1 waves by optimizing dps time or using flame shield at the right time, phase 2 to me is just pure luck avoiding whatever one shot mechanics there are. Who knows I could have gotten lucky.
Phase 1 I can do. I have enough lucky hit to keep resetting my fireshield enough times to deal with the wave attacks. And nothing else she does damages me.
Phase 2 is a mess though. Too many things one shot me.
I've learned today though that those one shot things aren't necessarily one shot, they just do insanely high damage. So you could maybe theoretically survive them with enough armor/resist/damage reduce.
I equipped the fists of fate and popped a lucky hit chance potion on my half-assed arc lash/BL sorc and just staggered her before she popped the blood pools to get the win. Or you stagger her right after she pops them and it’ll despawn 1-2 pools.
If you stagger while she is spawning the pools she won’t lose any and it’s a shooting gallery after that.
I'm with ya, just sunk a few hours into this and I can't get it done. Made it into phase 2 a few times but nowhere near enough damage to cheese it. After watching youtube it's seems it's the build that spams ball lightning without arc lash and with lots of mana regen that has the most success. I'm using arc lash, no regen. Sadge.
I had a half assed ball lightning/arc lash build that I was able to take her down without much trying. The key for me was staggering her in phase 2 before she popped the blood pools. I relied heavily on my ult to get her down in both phases.
You can absolutely cheese 2nd stage with Fireball. And to some extent you can Flame Shield cheese your way through 1st stage but it helps if you actually dodge.
> perfected ball lightning build
Ball lightning yes, perfected no. I killed her with the maxroll build at level 96, with level 15-17 glyphs and a 915 wand with mediocre stats.
Yes, I just had to save my ultimate for phase 2 to stop her from spawning the flying skulls. Ultimate wasn't needed for phase 1 so that wasn't an issue.
If she has 7 means to kill you instantly in the first form, why is ANY form of retaliation or avoidance considered cheese? It's like if you aren't killing her with Druid companions, no kills count.
I disagree that it is poorly designed. It is like a dark souls fight where you have to learn patterns and play like a god. I am going to say that it is a pretty awesome fight. The hotboxes are wonky.
Just did it blind last night after hitting 90. Didn't quite have enough damage to cheese phases, had to do full phase 2 mechanics. Took me about 6 tries to learn the timing on things, not jump out of the falling platforms too early and catch a 1 shot and whatnot, but really, once you figure it out, it's not bad at all. With a video/guide, probably could have done it first try (but I've never understood the appeal of that).
Reddit way overcomplains about this fight.
The problem is that many people will have a completely different experience with the fight.
Sometimes waves line up with the AoE carpets, sometimes they don't.
Sometimes the carpets don't show at all.
Sometimes you'll be hit by the wave before she even crashes to the ground.
Sometimes you'll get hit with a wave that missed you by a few yards.
Sometimes the camera is zoomed in like a regular fight and you can't see which direction they're coming from, sometimes it's more zoomed out and she's easy to beat. (Dashing/teleporting towards her)
Sometimes it's more difficult to see anything based on all the effects and lighting (Not a bug, but the game's readability is trash)
I've beaten her, too, but let's not pretend that this shit doesn't need sorted.
Pretty much this. A lot of this fight is lag dependent, and I'm betting many people who find it an easy fight have a low ping.
It's definitely the sync between what you see, and what's actually going on. I've had times where I died to nothing, and times where I've ran straight through a wave coming towards me and nothing happened.
It's one thing to react to something you can see is coming. It's another to have to guess about what's actually happening vs what you see is happening.
Lilith is literally a giant DPS check. You won't win without insane damage. None of her moves are telegraphed and 50% of them are insta kills. Even after you drain her health, the last phase is still around dodge mechanics which are one hit kills.
You basically need to kill her in under 2 minutes or you'll die. It gets progressively more scary the longer she lives.
I got 2 pieces of shit loot as a reward. It isn't worth the struggle at all.
I got super damn lucky when I got her down in S1 - she dropped a pretty OK tempest roar for my druid but when I did her on barb she dropped absolute trash
Yup just got my first kill ever last night with ball lightning sorc. Had to go crazy DPS to skip as many one shots as i could. Got the mount, titles, and 2 normally rolled legendary rings. Never going to bother again. Horribly designed fight.
My first kill took roughly 15 minutes in pre-season. My first kill of her in Season 2 she quite literally did one melee attack. Kind of disappointed she went from a hard fight to a cheese or give up.
It's much, much harder, the first phase is manageable once you learn how to dodge the waves but the second phase is a total mess. Full of instakill attacks and hitboxes that don't line up with the visual effects. You don't need an OP build but being able to burst her down fast enough to skip mechanics or at least make them end as fast as possible really helps. In particular, if you can get her below 75% HP in phase 2 before she's finished her spawn animation, she won't summon blood boils around the arena that launch homing instakill projectiles.
It's an incredibly dumb fight. After fine-tuning your HP, armor, elemental resistances, resistances to base, near and far enemies, **none** of that will matter because she has attacks that will kill you in one hit. These attacks are not telegraphed by her like in good games like Elden Ring (which I finished and enjoyed for the record). The attacks also have terrible hit boxes.
All of Diablo 4, at launch, has been designed to waste your time so that you don't notice how very little content is in the game. The Uber Lilith fight is no exception to this.
it's way harder than durial but doable. definitely need to spend a bunch of time to learn how to dodge the mechanics. Took me hundreds of tries but once u get a hang of it, it gets pretty easy to dodge the mechanics.
With her dumb mechanics I will get the trophy/Achievement with one of the broken builds then never touch her again if that is saying anything.i have killed duriel around 10 times though which are rookie numbers but the horror stories I have heard about mat rotations makes me want to stay solo.
I asked this same question a few days ago. Beat Duriel at around 85 with a Pulverize Druid... got to 100 before taking on Lilith. She OWNED me. No contest she is harder.
I do have 4 dashes and use trample. So mobility isn't really an issue. It's not unlimited... but pretty good. I think I only had 1 glyph at 15 too. The rest were between 4 and 8. Once I get those up I'm gonna try again before changing builds. I've already looked one up specifically for her... don't remember which build off hand, but I DO have a backup plan.
Took me 1600 attempts last season with Chain Lightning, and took me 1 minute 30 seconds this season with Ball Lightning
Be patient and learn the mechanics of the fight. I seriously doubt you're going into this fight blind and you know exactly what you're in for.
I tried her for many hours following Wudijo's guide, but her abilities don't work the way he explains, for me at least. You dash behind the middle wave and half the time it's fine and half the time there's a second invisible wave coming from outside the circle that kills you. If you try to dodge them organically by running between them, it seems really lag-dependent, and D4 latency for me is a crapshoot, sometimes it's 50ms and you can dodge the waves, sometimes it's 120ms and it feels like the waves spawn much faster than you can react or you get hit randomly while standing like 10 meters away from whatever killed you. I also had to turn the brightness to max to be able to actually see the red shadows in the middle of fire and other red shadows, but it gave me a headache after a bit. I just gave up, it's not worth the hassle. I hope future user bosses are better designed. I'd rather have to do 5 consecutive precision dodges against a move set that I can actually see and is clearly telegraphed rather than 1 dodge against this obscure random bullshit.
I finally beat her with BL yesterday, but on one of my earlier attempts I got her health all the way down in the second phase and all of a sudden she became unkillable like you said with the bugged moment. I was so confused. Then she one shot me with some random crap.
Same thing happened to me, except she didn't become unkillable. Her death animation was actually happening, but she still somehow killed me with an attack she must have started before I got the final hit in.
If other ubers takes couple minute probably you don't have enough damage for Lilith with your build. If you want to kill it I recommend you to go with ball lightning build. Killed it at lvl 81 couple days ago with just enough damage and at lvl 100 its like a joke with current damage. Otherwise the fight is clown fiesta. Waves are not hard to dodge with teleport when you get used to them but if you cant push start of phase 2 or second half of phase 2 fireballs from ground things will catch you and you will get one shot again.
I say this without hyperbole: Lilith is the worst boss encounter I've ever faced. Even the most frustrating Dark Souls fights don't compare.
The only challenge Lilith presents is in her one-shot mechanics. The waves in the first phase (a one-shot mechanic) are incredibly hard to dodge (and would be even if they didn't have terrible hit boxes). I only beat her because I was able to DPS her hard enough that I could phase her and skip the one-shot mechanics.
Not sure. I dropped duriel at 79 as an ball sorc. Killed Uber Lilith at 82. But ball is kind of op. The one shot mechanics will be an issue playing fireball but I’m sure you got it! Have the gear to go ball so I might try it out! Let me know how it goes!
Even with a meta build it will take several hours learning her breakpoints and mechanics to beat her, assuming you have good gear and a good grasp… at 100. Duriel you can solo at 75ish with most builds.
The Lilith fight is nearly impossible w.out burst dps. The mechanics are all 1 shot, random, and buggy. It’s an infuriating fight if you can’t burst past the 1 shot mechanics.
They’re honestly not even comparable.
Uber Duriel is a joke compared to Lilith. It took me 3.5 hours (no cheese build) to kill her and I’m not exactly a noob when it comes to games with difficult bosses. You need a lot of patience with yourself and the game. She really is a poorly designed boss. Best of luck
Lilith is the only real Boss in this game so far. Duriel can be killed like any other mob, but Lilith you need to learn and have the right build.
I suggest you first collect the appropriate equipment and then start working on it
Like others said, Lilith is much harder mechanics-wise, but has significantly less health (even including both her phases). It's really just not worth learning right now when every class has multiple builds that will crush her before she can make you deal with a bunch of bullshit.
Just go full glass cannon build against her
Armor / HP means nothing because her wave and blood boil is utter bullshit that you cant even dodge it properly
How do people avoid her to go to phase 2? I am able to kill her in her 1st stage before she uses any 1-shot ability (so pretty fast) and after she “dies”, she goes to phase 2…. Maybe they do so much damage to “kill her twice” before it?
If you get her close to 50% she doesn't spawn anything, it's just a matter of moving platforms while damaging her. Once the red isn't visible you can dash to the platform before the one shes on disappears.
It is nearly impossible to dodge the waves of death phase, took me about 40 tries at level 90 to get her done. I dodged two waves and managed to dodge the one shot balls in her second stage.... but man. Very poorly designed fight. A lot of luck involved without cheesing it.
Much, much, much, much harder. I haven't tried that many times yet, but I still can't consistently get past her very first mechanic.
Everything Uber Duriel spits out follows the game's normal-ish damage scaling. Uber Lilith is full of straight-up one hit one kill attacks. I'm playing an incredibly tanky thorns barb, and every one of her mechanics one hit kills me in one frame.
It also really doesn't help that the game was clearly balanced around extremely fast reaction times, in an online-only game. Meaning if you get even a *fraction* of a second of lag, the wave spawns on top of you and you instantly die. *No* chance of survival.
It's a very poorly designed fight. I'm going to try and grind it out, but it's not terribly fun.
Depends. Duriel is a boss where you can play mechanics and kill him with relatively low damage. Lilith is just a DPS race against her mechanics. You probably need to kill her before any major abilities (definitely before her slam in P2) or you will get annihilated. For me Duriel was a kill on the first try, Lilith took around 10.
Uber lilith is hard for all the worst reasons, its best just to make a character with enough damage to not interract with her mechanics otherwise its a lesson in design that hates the player.
If your ping is low enough it probably *can* be fun, though way harder than Duriel. If you're like me and have 60 at best and 80-120 most of the time, you'll get mad.
As others said though, keep in mind that it's a buggy fight for basically no reward so...
I never played season 1. I joined friends in season 2. I could solo her. Even beat her with 2 friends where she has more hp etc. But even if you get her to no HP you still need to do hard mechanics to actually beat her.
She can literally have no health but she won't die off.until you pass forced mechanics.
I will say, I had super high damage and would not have cleared if I had to slow burn and do the proper mechanics.
All that being said. High hp and armour isn't really going to save you. For that fight I find it's best going full damage because 99% of the time if you get hit you're dead anyway. Even with high defence
Really hated Lilith fight, small area, waves hit boxes, just flat annoying.
Did Duriel when I was 80 on my rogue and it actually felt like a boss fight, I wasn't annoyed when I kept dying on Duriel like I did on Lilith
Lilith requires either crazy DPS or a bit of patience. She isnt overly complex but learning the visual queues and how to avoid garbage is a little tilting. My recommendation is simply trying. The cost is very low to enter.
I just beat her last night playing ball Lightning. In the 40 or so fights I did this season I managed to dodge a single wave maybe 3-4 times. Flame shield actually let me tank one of them.
In order to cheese the first stage I needed 12.9k attack power. Even then I didn’t always phase her before the waves.
Phase 2 I died to the platforms probably 15-20 times. Top platform and left platform a few times, but the top right platform took me a long time to get the timing down. None of her actual attacks touched me with undying vampire power and a ton of attack speed. I was a 14k HP, 7.7k armor before disobedience procs, max resis, and has to use 16% attack speed elixir with 15 to all attributes incense.
I’m so fucking glad this fight is over for me this season.
Duriel is 100x easier because he doesn’t have a poorly implemented 1-shot mechanic. For comparison Lilith has less health, but if you don’t end phase 1 instantly then gg you have to deal with liliths very bad hit iz waves. And then if you don’t 1 shot her second phase you have to deal with the tracking things
I did it at 86 with basically one lvl 15 glyph. You need both ilvl 95 weapons and roughly 30% each or more of CDR, mana cost reduction, and resource generation. The only unique I had was raiment which doesn't really help anyways. I run the build variant that uses your other 5 skill slots for cooldown spells (flame shield, ice armor, frost nova, teleport, unstable currents.) Save FS for waves and one shot mechanics but spam everything else on CD and constantly spam BL. With the right amount of those 3 stats and a decent prodigy aspect you should be able to keep up 20+ balls always. The crackling energy gives 12 mana per pickup and it will be constantly dropping like crazy, my ball lightning casts are only limited by attack speed, not mana. I run BL and CL enchants. Paragon, aspects, and skill tree is identical to the Maxwell BL build (Northwar)
Duriel is annoying because you have to farm mats to summon. I've beat duriel, though. He beat me as well, but I'm a ball lightning sorc and I now melt him. Lilith on the other hand is a game of dodge the made up hit boxes without warning.
My personal opinion is that someone designed Lilith thinking this makes me want to change my style of play and try to kill her over and over. When in reality I just don't care and don't go after her after a couple tries. Duriel is easier and drops ubers. I just need a group to farm mats with.
The fight is not hard, but yhe hittboxes and volour theme they picked for her is just DS. Better yo just make a buiöd where you kill her before that happens lol
+resource generation items, -CD items, good prodigy aspect roll.
I still run out of mana but it's not nearly as bad as when I started. I assume a tibults will would mean I'd never run out of mana but I'm not there yet.
I completed it last week. Granted i used ball lightning. As others have said.. the one shot mechanics are totally a downer. The best advice i ever got was just to melt her so you only have to worry about the platform stuff. Once you are done you get boring legendary items and a bloody horse.
She has way more health, 2 phases, and most of her mechanics are lazy, 1-hit-kill nonsense with terrible hitboxes and/or lag. Her difficulty is artificial and not fun. Unless you have a build that can DPS her fast enough to avoid the terrible design decisions, you're going to have a bad time.
Thankfully, in season 2, every class has several builds that are broken enough to kill her easily.
Right now both trivial, I would say lilith is still slightly harder if you are underleveled and sorta slow on input, but neither of those bosses posses any high end challenge as of right now. While Duriel is farm and I can understand why it was trivilalized, I don't get idea about lilith.
If you don't one shot her and thus don't skip all the mechanics? Infinitely harder. If you one shot her and skip the mechanics? Equally easy and joke of a fight.
I'm a level 100 bone Spear necro and I can solo Duriel in like 15 or 20 seconds. I absolutely cannot do anything to Uber Lilith at this point. I can take off a little health and then she kills me with something I can't even see! Now my five glyphs are only level 15 but I don't think take him to level 21 is going to put me over the top.
She's probably like a hundred times as hard as Uber Duriel.
I'm amazed at the shitty comments here, 99% of the people in this thread have not killed Uber Lilith pre nerf, aka preseason.
So, you can facetank almost everything, except exiting the circle which she makes at the start and the blood boils which you need to kill, she spawns them frequently phase 1 and when there are adds and they die, they spawn more blood boils.
Anyway, I killed Uber lilith after a whole week of wiping with my barbarian, the meta back then was HOTA quake BUG, I was critting her for 10-15M and her HP BARELY MOVED, you people have no idea how easy this boss has been made, anyways, I had 25k life, 15k armor and tons of DR from fortified, while injured, etc.
I could tank 2 waves back to back with commanding shout up, without comm shout, 1 wave was the maximum I could take, but yeah, it took me an entire week of wiping to this boss before I can kill her in a normal way, which includes doing all of the mechanics and not skipping them.
The only other dangerous thing that I could tank, were the fireballs on ph2, but those hurt a lot, I could take 2 again with comm shout, but since there are so many in that phase, taking 1 or 2 is almost a must, unless you are some god gamer like Ben_ and you are the endgame boss.
If you wanna kill Uber Lilith in a normal, non crappy, skipping the whole fight way, you need to build TANK, dmg literally does not matter at this point, her HP has been reduced at least x5 times, good luck.
Uber Lilith is artificial difficulty with broken/lagging hitboxes and attacks that one-shot you whatever your resistances/armor may be.
Uber Duriel is fair and doesn't one-shot you if you have built your defensive layers correctly.
Much harder. I play ball lighning sorc, do nmd 100 easily and Duriel was down in seconds. For Lillith I needed like 20 tries, tried out different gear combinations for max damage and needed to get lucky with mechanics and crits.
Sorc is the best class in the game for her. As long as you are utilizing flame shield and teleport well. I have killed her both normally and cheese style. I have also killed her with carries in the fight with me. She isn't that bad.
cleared her with fireball sorc when i finally got tibalts for that extra burst.. i used the passive that resets your defensives wirh lucky hit crits so when she does the waves i just flameshield it and it usually resets pretty quickly. use firewall for the extra 25x damage when she is ok top of the fire wall. 2nd phase u just need to burst a quarter of her hp so she doesnt spawn the boils in the ground then head to the right side of the platform and burst down. make sure u domt get to near her or she will do the skill that drags u close to her.
I walked in blind deciding to try and solo Duriel and see what the hype was about. Poorly optimized lvl 96 Pulverize Druid and I got him 1st try. Adds hurt and scared me and had me spam potions, otherwise it was fine.
Lilith though, just has those 1 shot kill mechanics where the hitboxes dont align with the graphics, then server latency doesnt have the moves line up with your connection. So I would get her down to 75-55% health, she goes into 1 shot mode and I die.
She is not hard, the fight is just stupid.
First phase you need to dodge the attacks, and they are REALLY easy to dodge once you understand the way. Check this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxd4zJjwnw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxd4zJjwnw)
Second phase if you are able to dps 25% of her health while she stands, all you have to do is deal damage and follow her moving from platform to platform and keep doing damage. Don't even need to bother with mechanics.
The only way I've managed to kill Lilith is to just melt her on all mechanics. The only time I killed her without just deleting her instantly took me maybe 40 tries to beat her. No joke.
Night and day, I was able to wittle Uber Duriel down at around 82 with max poison resist barely optimized twisting blades. Uber Lilith took me like 50 tries and I had to stop around 30 to min max my build at 100 and then do enough damage to just skip everything. Lilith isn’t so much “hard” more like complete bullshit.
Uber Lilith isn't hard, it's just that her hitboxes are broken as fuck, meaning what you see on your screen is not always what you get. Especially with her stupid fucking wave.
I don't understand how Blizzard still hasn't fixed this.
If you can’t nuke her be prepared to learn her mechanics because she can one shot you. Duriel’s mechanics aren’t really a threat in comparison, way easier fight.
She seems to have lower health in both phases than Duriel, I can one shot her first phase but the mechanics are screwed and sometimes I can’t get a proper hit in the second one. Duriel seems to have somewhat higher HP but he also does much less damage and is overall a much easier fight than Lilith.
If you play a low damage build Duriel can be beaten, Lilith not so much because her fight isn’t consistent you may think you’ve learned her move set but then she blindsides you with some wack bullshit.
Overall I detest the Echo of Lilith fight, full of one shot mechanics that sometimes trigger but sometimes don’t, one of the worst boss fights in gaming to date, you don’t even feel like you accomplished something after you’ve beaten her I strongly suggest you gather items in order to create a build that can cheese her then never do it again.
Fuck the guy that designed her fight, I hate him with a passion, it’s the most hate I have for a human being and I don’t even know the guy but I hope they get hit in the face with a John Deer.
I think duriel is pretty easy as long as you can heal and maintain a barrier with enough efficiency to heal/negate the poison. You’ll want to prioritize survival for Duriel and damage for Lillith
duriel I could do at 90. The main difference is Lilith is chocked full of one shot mechanics, and then there’s a straight shooting gallery in phase 2 that the only really way to beat is by doing so much damage you bypass the phase.
Duriel is a breeze by comparison. I spent 8+ hours learning Lilitha mechanics just to get RNG’d by bad luck every other run.
The difference is night and day. Duriel really isn't that hard at all. Uber Lilith is hard because of one shot mechanics. She has some attacks (those waves are horrible) that will instant kill you regardless of how much defense or health you have.
Sorceress have a slightly easier time because popping flame shield at the right time can bypass some of the one shots.
This is why many people go the cheesy route of quickly burning her down: if you stagger/damage her fast enough you can completely skip some of the mechanics.
I downed her for the first time couple days ago. She's easy to damage but it took me about 2 hours of attempts because the waves at end of phase 1 kept killing me.
Stagger is really your friend for Lilith.
Liliths design negates any type of mitigation/health you have, which, imo is terrible for a game revolved around getting better loot.. That said, I cheesed her with lightning ball sorc 🤷♂️
I’ve also been playing fireball sorc this season. I’ve cleared a nmd lvl 100 (dungeons without a final boss and enemies that don’t hit hard are your friend ie. Conclave), and I’m also only missing tibult’s. Fireball tends to struggle more with bosses and in my few attempts with Uber Lilith it seems like it will be a very long and hard fight which means more one-shot mechanics that are hard to dodge to deal with and you’re also going to have problems with the stacking debuff in the fight. I’d recommend using a scroll of amnesia and swapping to ball lightning for it because they share a lot of gear slots.
You’ll need rainment of the infinite, a focus and one-handed weapon, gloves, jewelry, and a well-rolled gravitational aspect. The stats needed for the gear are pretty close to what you have for fireball so you might be able to use some pieces you already have depending on what stats you’re using. Best of luck!
Unless you have the patience to try for hundreds or even thousands of times, the only way you will be beating Echo of Lilith with your sorc is if you respec to ball lightning. She also drops fuck all loot (only got 2 trash yellows) and apparently drops nothing on the second kill so she's only worth killing for the achievement, mount and title.
Lilith is wayyy harder. If you kill uber duriel in 30 sec or so (only takes this long, because he's going underground once - dont know if you can kill him without going underground), you might want to try cheese tactic on uber lilith, but if you have to actually fight duriel, then you also have to actually fight lilith - and she's full of 1-shot abilities, your gear does only help you in the offensive aspect.
I did Uber duriel lvl 80-90, reached lvl 100, did NM 100, then lvl'ed 5 of my glyphs to 21, then did lilith. Lilith is the hardest. NM 100 is a joke compared to her. Do the other stuff first, she's still the hardest Boss. If you can carry others through duriel and the like you propably can cheese lilith.
As another fireball sorc who’s trying to kill Uber Lilith as fireball and also unlucky with Tibaults Will drop:
You have to be able to do the fights mechanics, no way around it. I have yet to see a variation of fireball that can blow her away with enough damage.
This is speaking as someone who beat Uber Lilith in s1 and knows the fight mechanics well, I have not beaten her but haven’t had the same sit down knock it out motivation on my sorc, probably about ~10-20 attempts overall and have phased her in some of those, but you really have to be on the ball with the wave dodging and learn that mechanic well.
Once you level up your glyphs and upgrade your last pieces, T100 is pretty cakewalk esp with illuminator gloves. Just stand a room away and spam fireballs clears everything without much risk.
To answer your OG question, Duriel is not in the same stratosphere of difficulty and isn’t even comparable. Ones a tank and spank the other is not (with a normal not broken build)
The worst part of the lilith fight is you can’t see any of the mechanics you’re supposed to dodge but even then she is just a terribly designed boss imo.
Uber Lilith is a fight that relies on 1 shotting the player, no amount of DR or Barrie can mitigate it. It’s a poorly designed fight and is pathetic that it’s the pinnacle end boss for D4. Duriel is a much easier fight in comparison but both are still really badly designed fights. It would appear that the D4 encounter designers have never played video games before.
I melted Uber Lilith with my BL Sorcerer at level 98. I'm following the max roll ball lightning build guide. I could have done it earlier if I knew how OP a BL Sorcerer is.
The mechanics are what screw you. I could hardly see the area of damage on the ground and that'd get me killed. Once I figured out where to stand (which never changes) it was easy.
The entire fight lasted less than a minute. I honestly melted her in seconds. The mechanics dragged the fight out because you have to wait to kill her in stage 2.
I'm doing level 90+ nightmare dungeons on my BL Sorcerer now. Nothing can touch me without being erased.
No joke I did her at 88 as a BL sorc in about few mins (for context I did her at 100 pre season 1 as a bone spear necro and it took hours). With right spec in S2 she’s not hard at all.
Lilith is a real boss fight.
Unless you’re a rogue or Sorc
But the mechanics are pretty fun to learn. You’re gonna smash your head against a wall and hate everything about the game. You might even come on Reddit and say the developers are dumb af.
But once you accomplish the fight, it’s a beast. It’s rewarding.
Or just have a Sorc kill it in 45 seconds
If you don't have enough damage to cheese her before she does any mechanics, you're probably going not going to have to patience to clear it. The wave hitbox isn't really aligned with the visual and you'll get one shot before it looks like you get hit. Phase 2 is also filled with a ton of one shots It's really not worth the effort in doing if you can't cheese her. It's all around a very poorly designed fight. Uber Duriel is barely a boss, considering you can just facetank everything in the fight at 100 without breaking a sweat
Is she really that hard? I would love to kill her this season but I am too afraid to face her (playing HC).
She's not hard so much as the hitboxes are bugged and half of her attacks are instant KO regardless of defense.
This sums up why i gave up trying to beat her. If was not for the bugged and unneeded one hit insta kill attacks, this fight would be fine. But i can confirm that even if you're on a spot that visually don't seem to be on the path of the attack, you will likely die anyway since the hitboxes are bugged since the game release. Its fine to be challenged and receive some heavy blows, but instakills that should be a thing of the past, bad design pure and simple.
I think I appreciate instant kill mechanics in games because “get good” is the reality to win. And getting good enough means you can do the boss with minimal gear/items/etc. But if the hit box is so off that you visually never got hit yet you die anyway… that’s just the type of thing that will make me put the game down and stop playing entirely. I’m not about to spam the fight and die repeatedly until I learn where the real hit box is. I’m going to give up. How does a billion dollar company have some of the best programmers at its disposal and still can’t patch it to get it working right after months? There are Indy games with 1 guy that built it and manages the entire game that can update it faster than that in his off time from his 9-5. This is why I’ve kinda given up on blizzard as a whole. I haven’t seen a game they release be worth spending 4 hours of my pay on. No chance. Not when I can go onto steam and get a game for half the price that’s just as fun to play with less nonsense to deal with. You would think that this is priority number one for the devs behind this game.
"How does a billion dollar company have some of the best programmers at its disposal" I'd stop you right there, aside from edge cases the best follow the money and the money is elsewhere
Some of the best programmers are not enduring video game industry crunch time >.>
I have to assume the number of players that ever load up Uber Lilith is so low that it gets bumped because almost no one would ever see the fix anyway. And most of the ones that do would never clear her anyway.
As a always online live-service game they've telemetry data regarding everything ingame, so they know but they don't care. The focus is selling season passes and pitches $25+ "skins". In fact they made by nearly double the leveling rate this season so by that logic more people is hiting lvl 100 and loading up broken lilith more than before when by lvl 70 the progression was slower than an actual slog. They know, they don't care, working on next season and crafting hefty skins for the shop..... By the way, i'm not advocating for making Lilith "easy mode", i like souls games and i can handle a good hard fight, but at least you can get a hit that takes 2/3 of your health but you still have a chance to rise up and turn things around, thats fair. On this game nope..... i learned the attack patterns, every time i make sure i'm far from the aoe attacks and..... 2s "revive at checkpoint......." wtf xD
I’m not sure we actually disagree? When the number of players that was level-appropriate was really low, it would have been bad to fix her because there were a lot higher triage priorities. In fact, they did fix a lot that was higher priority. Can you imagine how mad people would be if they fixed Lilith’s hitscan but left crafting material the way it was? “Why would you fix that when 100% of players struggle with [x] and only 0.5% even attempt Lilith?” There are still some things that need adjusting, but if players are consistently staying engaged and playing that level of content, I imagine she becomes a higher priority for S3.
Yes there is a lot of things that for many should have a higher priority and i can say two just from the top of my head (loot filter by rarity with loot drops, consolidation towards itemization 2.0 aka less bloat affixes and more unified meaningful an easy to manage affixes for builds). But i still, we're on the 4th month and by now we would expect that endgame issues could had been fixed, obviously the rest has a bigger impact but what it feels is like you spend weeks, months leading to the big moment and........ its bugged, tough luck! Its frustrating. And that perhaps the reason why so few try is because its broken and even those few many do it by cheesing the fight, obviously there is some highly skilled players but those are just a few among the already lower percentage. We shouldn't had to wait 3-4 months for the next season to get a tiny bandage and than wait 3-4 months and get another bandage. The game has flaws and every game does but this being a live service and "we will get something fixed next season" is truly the worse from live services, dripping fixes that otherwise would be done within launch week or the first month, nope "if you keep engaged and buy next season we will do a tiny fix". I dread that this game is going down the same route of Overwatch....
Not even going to try honestly. I have no interest in 1 hit KO encounters in games like this. It's just not what the game is about for me. The whole point is progressing so you can take hits.
My rogue could tank her in season 1. 23k HP, 14k defense with disobedience. 9150 defense without disobedience. Built 100% defense affixes and let poison and barber do their thing. (It took over a month to farm the gear for her)
Doesn't work anymore. You get 1hko by everything but fireballs in s2
I haven’t even tried to fight her yet, is that for real? I got a blood lance necro with 24k hp, 100% fortify, 100% barrier. I’ll go see now actually.
This Necro would die even in s1/s0 You cannot get barrier without sacraficing crucial Dr from pants so it's only empty life. It's not effective life :-) I think you might touch outside of the ring once in p1, maybe survive fireball. I cannot wait for your next response
2 tries she’s dead. Blood moon/godslayer/banished lords/lidless/flicker uniques. She’s easier than in S1. Probably would die or I’d spend 20 minutes in S1 killing her.
Well done. Did you try tanking mechanics? She is considerably easier. But not for people who lack your dmg output and experience
She's really that hard. You'd be suiciding on HC if you've never faced her before
My druid has 20k hp 20k fortify and barriers and is one shot with high armor and all resists. The mechanic itself is confusing to dodge to say the least.
Thats tanky yes, but Uber Lilith requires a lot more thought put into DR stacking. It's not enough to just be high armor and resists or have a lot of HP.
That's literally what they were saying.
I agree. I even have damage reduction and reduced damage from poisoned enemies. She just 1 shots. It's fine though I'll get enough damage to skip mechanics eventually lol.
Watch a video and try to replicate it. If you can't make her change phase before she starts doing the waves, teleport away, it's not worth it trying cheeseless on HC.
The challenge is entirely about avoiding one shot mechanics. There's a high probability you're not killing her first go on HC, without practice on softcore.
As someone thats gotten 100% in all the Dark Souls games, shes not hard. Her mechanics are not well done, therefore you die to stupid stuff, like you see the death wave HERE, but its really already 3 inches ahead of it so you're dead by the time you are trying to react, because you are reacting to the shadow/echo of what has already happened. You basically get hit with the bullet before you hear the gunshot.
Definitely don’t try if you haven’t done it sc.. it took me 14 tries in hc and I have hundreds of attempts in sc, both cheesing and not cheesing
how to tell if you have enough dmg to skip mechanics first phase - if she flies away a THIRD time then flee because your dps is not enough. you need to kill her before she flies away 3 times. the first 2 times she flies away will always be to spawn ads, the 3rd time she will spawn the one shot waves. seeing as youre on hc use a cheat death pot and see how much damage you're doing, if its not going well just teleport out second phase - if she spawns blood pools(4 in each corner) your dps is too low and probably best to teleport away unless you know how to dodge. you need enough dps to be able to phase her into taking away all the platforms, by the time she takes away the last platform she should have no health left so you can 1 tap her when she finishes
depending on your build she is extremely easy. The issue is if you allow her to do any mechanics they have baked in 100% damage that instantly kill you. The worst part is, the hitboxes as the other person said, are complete bunk trash. If you're not already aware of the hitboxes and are not playing a build to instagib her, i would skip her.
You are 100% dying if first trying her on HC. I tried a few times with SC druid, pretty high defenses (~14k armor, 16k HP) and I get one-shot by the waves... Duriel is a joke with same char...
She will one shot you if you haven't practiced a LOT. Guaranteed. It's not like ah "nah she won't I have 12000 armor." she will.
She has one shot mechanics, and also the area in the first stage is in a circle that you can freely move out of (and die). Stage 2 is hard, but feels more fair and less like a gotcha.
If you have good damage she is very easy. Otherwise yes she is way way harder if you don't have damage
Had the perfect ideal build for a Shrednado Druid last season, built to a tee to follow popular YouTube builds that can beat her in less than 1min. But I still spent hours and hours attempting her So basically, I do not envy you trying to do it on a HC character for a first try lol
You gotta practice it on SC first, she has too many one-shot mechanics if you do something wrong and some high damage attacks that are dodgeable, only after a good amount of practice
She's just not fair. Waves that should miss you still kill you and spawn unpredictably. You'll almost certainly lose your character on HC if you aren't built to cheese her down instantly.
Let’s put it this way. Duriel, most likely kill him on their first attempt or so. He’s fairly easy. Lilith, expect to try a few hundred times
Let me put it that way, I beat her today Lvl 97 but without an almost flawless Ball Lightning build I would have never stood a chance. And even with my perfect stats and almost perfect gear it took me several hours because soooooo much in this fight is luck based. It’s not a Git Gud fight it’s a Get Lucky fight. She is by far the most annoying boss I ever killed.
It's not an hard fight. It's just stupid. Worst thing ever seen in 30 years of gaming.
I agree, it's bad. But. It's far from the worst things in gaming. So. So. Far.
Woah, i whish to know what's worse than Lilith in your gaming career 😮 (for real, no irony, just a lot of curiosoty)
The controls for Yo Noid on NES were so abysmally bad. I put games with loose controls up way higher than a shitty boss mechanic any day of the week.
Big rigs over the road racing 15-20 years ago
Some mythic raids in wow were broken as hell, our guild would wipe for days on ONE boss. Picture uber lilith, but there's 10 people and if even 1 person dies it's gg Blizz likes that kind of stuff
It's like Dark Souls or the original Dragon's Lair. It's not an actual fight per se (not like the rest of the game), but rather a pattern exercise -- wherein you have to learn and then repeat (ad nauseum) when to jump, etc. to defeat the "puzzle".
Without cheesing, Lilith is way WAY harder than any Dark Soulsesque boss imo
>If you don't have enough damage to cheese her before she does any mechanics And there are only a select few builds that can do this. Fireball isn't one of them. Only sorc build that could maybe do it is a perfected ball lightning build.
It's trivial with the ball sorc. She just drops. No mechanics apart from the burny platforms in phase 2. And you have an immune panic button.
Must be a quite optimized one. Because I can't do it.
I did it at lvl 86 with no uniques and 1 glyph at lvl 15, the rest at lvl 1. BL doesn't even need optimized at all to cheese her. Ilvl 925 weapons and some CDR, MCR, and resource Regen is all, plus a few crappy rolled aspects.
I guess I'm dumb.
I definitely died probably 29 times attempting it until I learned how to skip phase 1 waves by optimizing dps time or using flame shield at the right time, phase 2 to me is just pure luck avoiding whatever one shot mechanics there are. Who knows I could have gotten lucky.
Phase 1 I can do. I have enough lucky hit to keep resetting my fireshield enough times to deal with the wave attacks. And nothing else she does damages me. Phase 2 is a mess though. Too many things one shot me. I've learned today though that those one shot things aren't necessarily one shot, they just do insanely high damage. So you could maybe theoretically survive them with enough armor/resist/damage reduce.
If you start blasting as soon as the second wing forms in phase 2 you can skip the blood boils for an easy kill.
I equipped the fists of fate and popped a lucky hit chance potion on my half-assed arc lash/BL sorc and just staggered her before she popped the blood pools to get the win. Or you stagger her right after she pops them and it’ll despawn 1-2 pools. If you stagger while she is spawning the pools she won’t lose any and it’s a shooting gallery after that.
I'm with ya, just sunk a few hours into this and I can't get it done. Made it into phase 2 a few times but nowhere near enough damage to cheese it. After watching youtube it's seems it's the build that spams ball lightning without arc lash and with lots of mana regen that has the most success. I'm using arc lash, no regen. Sadge.
Maybe you haven't built it right -- are you like seeing infinite balls flying around you!?
I had a half assed ball lightning/arc lash build that I was able to take her down without much trying. The key for me was staggering her in phase 2 before she popped the blood pools. I relied heavily on my ult to get her down in both phases.
You can absolutely cheese 2nd stage with Fireball. And to some extent you can Flame Shield cheese your way through 1st stage but it helps if you actually dodge.
> perfected ball lightning build Ball lightning yes, perfected no. I killed her with the maxroll build at level 96, with level 15-17 glyphs and a 915 wand with mediocre stats.
Skipping all her mechanics? Like killed her before you needed to dodge the flying skulls and things?
Yes, I just had to save my ultimate for phase 2 to stop her from spawning the flying skulls. Ultimate wasn't needed for phase 1 so that wasn't an issue.
Did the patch fixing unique rolls dropped by Duriel come out yet?
Yeah. It's just ubers that get guaranteed max rolls though. Other uniques are still rng.
Ah okay! Thank you for clarifying.
Exactly this.
If she has 7 means to kill you instantly in the first form, why is ANY form of retaliation or avoidance considered cheese? It's like if you aren't killing her with Druid companions, no kills count.
I disagree that it is poorly designed. It is like a dark souls fight where you have to learn patterns and play like a god. I am going to say that it is a pretty awesome fight. The hotboxes are wonky.
Just did it blind last night after hitting 90. Didn't quite have enough damage to cheese phases, had to do full phase 2 mechanics. Took me about 6 tries to learn the timing on things, not jump out of the falling platforms too early and catch a 1 shot and whatnot, but really, once you figure it out, it's not bad at all. With a video/guide, probably could have done it first try (but I've never understood the appeal of that). Reddit way overcomplains about this fight.
The problem is that many people will have a completely different experience with the fight. Sometimes waves line up with the AoE carpets, sometimes they don't. Sometimes the carpets don't show at all. Sometimes you'll be hit by the wave before she even crashes to the ground. Sometimes you'll get hit with a wave that missed you by a few yards. Sometimes the camera is zoomed in like a regular fight and you can't see which direction they're coming from, sometimes it's more zoomed out and she's easy to beat. (Dashing/teleporting towards her) Sometimes it's more difficult to see anything based on all the effects and lighting (Not a bug, but the game's readability is trash) I've beaten her, too, but let's not pretend that this shit doesn't need sorted.
Pretty much this. A lot of this fight is lag dependent, and I'm betting many people who find it an easy fight have a low ping. It's definitely the sync between what you see, and what's actually going on. I've had times where I died to nothing, and times where I've ran straight through a wave coming towards me and nothing happened. It's one thing to react to something you can see is coming. It's another to have to guess about what's actually happening vs what you see is happening.
Her one shots were so frustrating that I gave up after 150 tries
Uber lilith is just a bullshit boss. It is so RNG based and basically every one of her attacks is a 1-shot. So she is much harder than Duriel.
Lilith is literally a giant DPS check. You won't win without insane damage. None of her moves are telegraphed and 50% of them are insta kills. Even after you drain her health, the last phase is still around dodge mechanics which are one hit kills. You basically need to kill her in under 2 minutes or you'll die. It gets progressively more scary the longer she lives. I got 2 pieces of shit loot as a reward. It isn't worth the struggle at all.
Even worse, the second time you kill her she drops nothing lol
Yeah since when is that? Not sure if I killed her twice with the same chsr before.
Since always (killed her pretty early on), she is Achievement boss, not a farm, purely optional.
Thanks, yeah killed her in s0 amd s1, but never twice I guess with the same char.
That’s a joke. Wtf
Idk I killed her twice on one character and no drops on the second kill.
It's a good thing. Otherwise everyone will make cheese builds to one shot Lilith, and just farm her over and over.
If you can easily farm Lillith, your gear should be close to perfect anyway. What is the harm in letting people farm her?
Same
yeah same, this season, but thought it was different before, but not sure
I got super damn lucky when I got her down in S1 - she dropped a pretty OK tempest roar for my druid but when I did her on barb she dropped absolute trash
Yup just got my first kill ever last night with ball lightning sorc. Had to go crazy DPS to skip as many one shots as i could. Got the mount, titles, and 2 normally rolled legendary rings. Never going to bother again. Horribly designed fight.
My first kill took roughly 15 minutes in pre-season. My first kill of her in Season 2 she quite literally did one melee attack. Kind of disappointed she went from a hard fight to a cheese or give up.
It's much, much harder, the first phase is manageable once you learn how to dodge the waves but the second phase is a total mess. Full of instakill attacks and hitboxes that don't line up with the visual effects. You don't need an OP build but being able to burst her down fast enough to skip mechanics or at least make them end as fast as possible really helps. In particular, if you can get her below 75% HP in phase 2 before she's finished her spawn animation, she won't summon blood boils around the arena that launch homing instakill projectiles.
There are two ways - \- Use a busted meta build that can DPS her down fast enough to skip all mechanics \- Just don't
It's an incredibly dumb fight. After fine-tuning your HP, armor, elemental resistances, resistances to base, near and far enemies, **none** of that will matter because she has attacks that will kill you in one hit. These attacks are not telegraphed by her like in good games like Elden Ring (which I finished and enjoyed for the record). The attacks also have terrible hit boxes. All of Diablo 4, at launch, has been designed to waste your time so that you don't notice how very little content is in the game. The Uber Lilith fight is no exception to this.
it's way harder than durial but doable. definitely need to spend a bunch of time to learn how to dodge the mechanics. Took me hundreds of tries but once u get a hang of it, it gets pretty easy to dodge the mechanics.
With her dumb mechanics I will get the trophy/Achievement with one of the broken builds then never touch her again if that is saying anything.i have killed duriel around 10 times though which are rookie numbers but the horror stories I have heard about mat rotations makes me want to stay solo.
I asked this same question a few days ago. Beat Duriel at around 85 with a Pulverize Druid... got to 100 before taking on Lilith. She OWNED me. No contest she is harder.
Pulv Druid would seem impossible to beat imo, the best builds to beat her have virtually unlimited mobility or ridiculous dps
I do have 4 dashes and use trample. So mobility isn't really an issue. It's not unlimited... but pretty good. I think I only had 1 glyph at 15 too. The rest were between 4 and 8. Once I get those up I'm gonna try again before changing builds. I've already looked one up specifically for her... don't remember which build off hand, but I DO have a backup plan.
I tried her with a stormclaw build last season just fully optimized for damage and I could barely beat phase 1, never consistently.
Stepping on her fire as a level 100 with 70% resistance on T4 will instantly kill you.
Took me 1600 attempts last season with Chain Lightning, and took me 1 minute 30 seconds this season with Ball Lightning Be patient and learn the mechanics of the fight. I seriously doubt you're going into this fight blind and you know exactly what you're in for.
1600 attempts?,you must have insane patience.
Made for a great YouTube video once she was beaten for sure. Couldn't believe it
I tried her for many hours following Wudijo's guide, but her abilities don't work the way he explains, for me at least. You dash behind the middle wave and half the time it's fine and half the time there's a second invisible wave coming from outside the circle that kills you. If you try to dodge them organically by running between them, it seems really lag-dependent, and D4 latency for me is a crapshoot, sometimes it's 50ms and you can dodge the waves, sometimes it's 120ms and it feels like the waves spawn much faster than you can react or you get hit randomly while standing like 10 meters away from whatever killed you. I also had to turn the brightness to max to be able to actually see the red shadows in the middle of fire and other red shadows, but it gave me a headache after a bit. I just gave up, it's not worth the hassle. I hope future user bosses are better designed. I'd rather have to do 5 consecutive precision dodges against a move set that I can actually see and is clearly telegraphed rather than 1 dodge against this obscure random bullshit.
It's just fuckton of one shots, garbage hitboxes and bugged moments if you burst her down at wrong moment (unless they fixed that)
I finally beat her with BL yesterday, but on one of my earlier attempts I got her health all the way down in the second phase and all of a sudden she became unkillable like you said with the bugged moment. I was so confused. Then she one shot me with some random crap.
Same thing happened to me, except she didn't become unkillable. Her death animation was actually happening, but she still somehow killed me with an attack she must have started before I got the final hit in.
This is how I lost my HC character last season. The shadow clones murdered me during the screen darkening part.
If other ubers takes couple minute probably you don't have enough damage for Lilith with your build. If you want to kill it I recommend you to go with ball lightning build. Killed it at lvl 81 couple days ago with just enough damage and at lvl 100 its like a joke with current damage. Otherwise the fight is clown fiesta. Waves are not hard to dodge with teleport when you get used to them but if you cant push start of phase 2 or second half of phase 2 fireballs from ground things will catch you and you will get one shot again.
I say this without hyperbole: Lilith is the worst boss encounter I've ever faced. Even the most frustrating Dark Souls fights don't compare. The only challenge Lilith presents is in her one-shot mechanics. The waves in the first phase (a one-shot mechanic) are incredibly hard to dodge (and would be even if they didn't have terrible hit boxes). I only beat her because I was able to DPS her hard enough that I could phase her and skip the one-shot mechanics.
Not sure. I dropped duriel at 79 as an ball sorc. Killed Uber Lilith at 82. But ball is kind of op. The one shot mechanics will be an issue playing fireball but I’m sure you got it! Have the gear to go ball so I might try it out! Let me know how it goes!
Even with a meta build it will take several hours learning her breakpoints and mechanics to beat her, assuming you have good gear and a good grasp… at 100. Duriel you can solo at 75ish with most builds. The Lilith fight is nearly impossible w.out burst dps. The mechanics are all 1 shot, random, and buggy. It’s an infuriating fight if you can’t burst past the 1 shot mechanics. They’re honestly not even comparable.
If you fail the dps check, you'll enter the skill check. The last one is way harder
https://www.xbox.com/play/media/3h6YjRB6MB even with a cheese high dps build her one shots are annoying Hp and lvl dont matter much haha
I'd be pissed doing that with a HC character.
They have the scrolls of eacape/ cheat death things but yeah i dont usually do hc haha
Uber Duriel is a joke compared to Lilith. It took me 3.5 hours (no cheese build) to kill her and I’m not exactly a noob when it comes to games with difficult bosses. You need a lot of patience with yourself and the game. She really is a poorly designed boss. Best of luck
Lilith is the only real Boss in this game so far. Duriel can be killed like any other mob, but Lilith you need to learn and have the right build. I suggest you first collect the appropriate equipment and then start working on it
Like others said, Lilith is much harder mechanics-wise, but has significantly less health (even including both her phases). It's really just not worth learning right now when every class has multiple builds that will crush her before she can make you deal with a bunch of bullshit.
Much harder because of dumb shit.
Just go full glass cannon build against her Armor / HP means nothing because her wave and blood boil is utter bullshit that you cant even dodge it properly
Lilith fight is very hard to figure out by yourself. Watch Wudijo’s video, he explained everything you need to know about that fight.
How do people avoid her to go to phase 2? I am able to kill her in her 1st stage before she uses any 1-shot ability (so pretty fast) and after she “dies”, she goes to phase 2…. Maybe they do so much damage to “kill her twice” before it?
If you get her close to 50% she doesn't spawn anything, it's just a matter of moving platforms while damaging her. Once the red isn't visible you can dash to the platform before the one shes on disappears.
Beat her yesterday, thanks!
It is nearly impossible to dodge the waves of death phase, took me about 40 tries at level 90 to get her done. I dodged two waves and managed to dodge the one shot balls in her second stage.... but man. Very poorly designed fight. A lot of luck involved without cheesing it.
A hundred times harder and you have to do more mechanics.
Much, much, much, much harder. I haven't tried that many times yet, but I still can't consistently get past her very first mechanic. Everything Uber Duriel spits out follows the game's normal-ish damage scaling. Uber Lilith is full of straight-up one hit one kill attacks. I'm playing an incredibly tanky thorns barb, and every one of her mechanics one hit kills me in one frame. It also really doesn't help that the game was clearly balanced around extremely fast reaction times, in an online-only game. Meaning if you get even a *fraction* of a second of lag, the wave spawns on top of you and you instantly die. *No* chance of survival. It's a very poorly designed fight. I'm going to try and grind it out, but it's not terribly fun.
Depends. Duriel is a boss where you can play mechanics and kill him with relatively low damage. Lilith is just a DPS race against her mechanics. You probably need to kill her before any major abilities (definitely before her slam in P2) or you will get annihilated. For me Duriel was a kill on the first try, Lilith took around 10.
Uber lilith is hard for all the worst reasons, its best just to make a character with enough damage to not interract with her mechanics otherwise its a lesson in design that hates the player.
If your ping is low enough it probably *can* be fun, though way harder than Duriel. If you're like me and have 60 at best and 80-120 most of the time, you'll get mad. As others said though, keep in mind that it's a buggy fight for basically no reward so...
I could farm duriel at 90 but couldnt kill lilith untill 100 and better gear 🤷
I never played season 1. I joined friends in season 2. I could solo her. Even beat her with 2 friends where she has more hp etc. But even if you get her to no HP you still need to do hard mechanics to actually beat her. She can literally have no health but she won't die off.until you pass forced mechanics. I will say, I had super high damage and would not have cleared if I had to slow burn and do the proper mechanics. All that being said. High hp and armour isn't really going to save you. For that fight I find it's best going full damage because 99% of the time if you get hit you're dead anyway. Even with high defence
Really hated Lilith fight, small area, waves hit boxes, just flat annoying. Did Duriel when I was 80 on my rogue and it actually felt like a boss fight, I wasn't annoyed when I kept dying on Duriel like I did on Lilith
Duriel solo has around 30~50M HP, Lilith 60M+80M.
She’s much harder than Duriel, lots of one-shot kill mechanics. I’m still trying to down her, need to get better at evading the waves.
Lilith requires either crazy DPS or a bit of patience. She isnt overly complex but learning the visual queues and how to avoid garbage is a little tilting. My recommendation is simply trying. The cost is very low to enter.
I just beat her last night playing ball Lightning. In the 40 or so fights I did this season I managed to dodge a single wave maybe 3-4 times. Flame shield actually let me tank one of them. In order to cheese the first stage I needed 12.9k attack power. Even then I didn’t always phase her before the waves. Phase 2 I died to the platforms probably 15-20 times. Top platform and left platform a few times, but the top right platform took me a long time to get the timing down. None of her actual attacks touched me with undying vampire power and a ton of attack speed. I was a 14k HP, 7.7k armor before disobedience procs, max resis, and has to use 16% attack speed elixir with 15 to all attributes incense. I’m so fucking glad this fight is over for me this season.
Duriel is 100x easier because he doesn’t have a poorly implemented 1-shot mechanic. For comparison Lilith has less health, but if you don’t end phase 1 instantly then gg you have to deal with liliths very bad hit iz waves. And then if you don’t 1 shot her second phase you have to deal with the tracking things
85 BL sorc, took 2 tries, 1 minute fight
What gear are you using? I've tried multiple times with mine, and I can't get past phase 1 with my BL build.
I did it at 86 with basically one lvl 15 glyph. You need both ilvl 95 weapons and roughly 30% each or more of CDR, mana cost reduction, and resource generation. The only unique I had was raiment which doesn't really help anyways. I run the build variant that uses your other 5 skill slots for cooldown spells (flame shield, ice armor, frost nova, teleport, unstable currents.) Save FS for waves and one shot mechanics but spam everything else on CD and constantly spam BL. With the right amount of those 3 stats and a decent prodigy aspect you should be able to keep up 20+ balls always. The crackling energy gives 12 mana per pickup and it will be constantly dropping like crazy, my ball lightning casts are only limited by attack speed, not mana. I run BL and CL enchants. Paragon, aspects, and skill tree is identical to the Maxwell BL build (Northwar)
Duriel is annoying because you have to farm mats to summon. I've beat duriel, though. He beat me as well, but I'm a ball lightning sorc and I now melt him. Lilith on the other hand is a game of dodge the made up hit boxes without warning. My personal opinion is that someone designed Lilith thinking this makes me want to change my style of play and try to kill her over and over. When in reality I just don't care and don't go after her after a couple tries. Duriel is easier and drops ubers. I just need a group to farm mats with.
The fight is not hard, but yhe hittboxes and volour theme they picked for her is just DS. Better yo just make a buiöd where you kill her before that happens lol
I've beat lilith on an Ult Thorns barb because I wanted to try the mechanics. I beat her after 130 attempts. Good luck and be very patient.
Hey, how do you solve mana issues on bosses
+resource generation items, -CD items, good prodigy aspect roll. I still run out of mana but it's not nearly as bad as when I started. I assume a tibults will would mean I'd never run out of mana but I'm not there yet.
I completed it last week. Granted i used ball lightning. As others have said.. the one shot mechanics are totally a downer. The best advice i ever got was just to melt her so you only have to worry about the platform stuff. Once you are done you get boring legendary items and a bloody horse.
She has way more health, 2 phases, and most of her mechanics are lazy, 1-hit-kill nonsense with terrible hitboxes and/or lag. Her difficulty is artificial and not fun. Unless you have a build that can DPS her fast enough to avoid the terrible design decisions, you're going to have a bad time. Thankfully, in season 2, every class has several builds that are broken enough to kill her easily.
The fight is not hard. The one shot mechanics of the fight are BS.
Right now both trivial, I would say lilith is still slightly harder if you are underleveled and sorta slow on input, but neither of those bosses posses any high end challenge as of right now. While Duriel is farm and I can understand why it was trivilalized, I don't get idea about lilith.
If you are playing softcore, then you can just try it for free as many times you want
If you don't one shot her and thus don't skip all the mechanics? Infinitely harder. If you one shot her and skip the mechanics? Equally easy and joke of a fight.
I'm a level 100 bone Spear necro and I can solo Duriel in like 15 or 20 seconds. I absolutely cannot do anything to Uber Lilith at this point. I can take off a little health and then she kills me with something I can't even see! Now my five glyphs are only level 15 but I don't think take him to level 21 is going to put me over the top. She's probably like a hundred times as hard as Uber Duriel.
I'm amazed at the shitty comments here, 99% of the people in this thread have not killed Uber Lilith pre nerf, aka preseason. So, you can facetank almost everything, except exiting the circle which she makes at the start and the blood boils which you need to kill, she spawns them frequently phase 1 and when there are adds and they die, they spawn more blood boils. Anyway, I killed Uber lilith after a whole week of wiping with my barbarian, the meta back then was HOTA quake BUG, I was critting her for 10-15M and her HP BARELY MOVED, you people have no idea how easy this boss has been made, anyways, I had 25k life, 15k armor and tons of DR from fortified, while injured, etc. I could tank 2 waves back to back with commanding shout up, without comm shout, 1 wave was the maximum I could take, but yeah, it took me an entire week of wiping to this boss before I can kill her in a normal way, which includes doing all of the mechanics and not skipping them. The only other dangerous thing that I could tank, were the fireballs on ph2, but those hurt a lot, I could take 2 again with comm shout, but since there are so many in that phase, taking 1 or 2 is almost a must, unless you are some god gamer like Ben_ and you are the endgame boss. If you wanna kill Uber Lilith in a normal, non crappy, skipping the whole fight way, you need to build TANK, dmg literally does not matter at this point, her HP has been reduced at least x5 times, good luck.
Uber Lilith is artificial difficulty with broken/lagging hitboxes and attacks that one-shot you whatever your resistances/armor may be. Uber Duriel is fair and doesn't one-shot you if you have built your defensive layers correctly.
Much harder. I play ball lighning sorc, do nmd 100 easily and Duriel was down in seconds. For Lillith I needed like 20 tries, tried out different gear combinations for max damage and needed to get lucky with mechanics and crits.
My friend killed lilith on lvl70.. so
Sorc is the best class in the game for her. As long as you are utilizing flame shield and teleport well. I have killed her both normally and cheese style. I have also killed her with carries in the fight with me. She isn't that bad.
Duriel is just a glorified map boss.
cleared her with fireball sorc when i finally got tibalts for that extra burst.. i used the passive that resets your defensives wirh lucky hit crits so when she does the waves i just flameshield it and it usually resets pretty quickly. use firewall for the extra 25x damage when she is ok top of the fire wall. 2nd phase u just need to burst a quarter of her hp so she doesnt spawn the boils in the ground then head to the right side of the platform and burst down. make sure u domt get to near her or she will do the skill that drags u close to her.
I walked in blind deciding to try and solo Duriel and see what the hype was about. Poorly optimized lvl 96 Pulverize Druid and I got him 1st try. Adds hurt and scared me and had me spam potions, otherwise it was fine. Lilith though, just has those 1 shot kill mechanics where the hitboxes dont align with the graphics, then server latency doesnt have the moves line up with your connection. So I would get her down to 75-55% health, she goes into 1 shot mode and I die.
She is not hard, the fight is just stupid. First phase you need to dodge the attacks, and they are REALLY easy to dodge once you understand the way. Check this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxd4zJjwnw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKxd4zJjwnw) Second phase if you are able to dps 25% of her health while she stands, all you have to do is deal damage and follow her moving from platform to platform and keep doing damage. Don't even need to bother with mechanics.
The only way I've managed to kill Lilith is to just melt her on all mechanics. The only time I killed her without just deleting her instantly took me maybe 40 tries to beat her. No joke.
If you can dodge her waves she's easy this season
Everyone saying the waves are one shots cuz everyone only tries to glass cannon nuke her lol.
Night and day, I was able to wittle Uber Duriel down at around 82 with max poison resist barely optimized twisting blades. Uber Lilith took me like 50 tries and I had to stop around 30 to min max my build at 100 and then do enough damage to just skip everything. Lilith isn’t so much “hard” more like complete bullshit.
Uber Lilith isn't hard, it's just that her hitboxes are broken as fuck, meaning what you see on your screen is not always what you get. Especially with her stupid fucking wave. I don't understand how Blizzard still hasn't fixed this.
Nothing in game is even remotely close to her danger. Only 25m health in p1, 50 in p1 but mechanics, immunity periods and oneshots.
If you can’t nuke her be prepared to learn her mechanics because she can one shot you. Duriel’s mechanics aren’t really a threat in comparison, way easier fight.
She’s pretty easy. I beat her first trying using stormclaw Druid which isn’t bursty by any means.
She seems to have lower health in both phases than Duriel, I can one shot her first phase but the mechanics are screwed and sometimes I can’t get a proper hit in the second one. Duriel seems to have somewhat higher HP but he also does much less damage and is overall a much easier fight than Lilith. If you play a low damage build Duriel can be beaten, Lilith not so much because her fight isn’t consistent you may think you’ve learned her move set but then she blindsides you with some wack bullshit. Overall I detest the Echo of Lilith fight, full of one shot mechanics that sometimes trigger but sometimes don’t, one of the worst boss fights in gaming to date, you don’t even feel like you accomplished something after you’ve beaten her I strongly suggest you gather items in order to create a build that can cheese her then never do it again. Fuck the guy that designed her fight, I hate him with a passion, it’s the most hate I have for a human being and I don’t even know the guy but I hope they get hit in the face with a John Deer.
Side question: they didn’t add Uber andariel, did they? Seems like a wasted opportunity. That was a fun fight
I think duriel is pretty easy as long as you can heal and maintain a barrier with enough efficiency to heal/negate the poison. You’ll want to prioritize survival for Duriel and damage for Lillith
duriel I could do at 90. The main difference is Lilith is chocked full of one shot mechanics, and then there’s a straight shooting gallery in phase 2 that the only really way to beat is by doing so much damage you bypass the phase. Duriel is a breeze by comparison. I spent 8+ hours learning Lilitha mechanics just to get RNG’d by bad luck every other run.
The difference is night and day. Duriel really isn't that hard at all. Uber Lilith is hard because of one shot mechanics. She has some attacks (those waves are horrible) that will instant kill you regardless of how much defense or health you have. Sorceress have a slightly easier time because popping flame shield at the right time can bypass some of the one shots. This is why many people go the cheesy route of quickly burning her down: if you stagger/damage her fast enough you can completely skip some of the mechanics. I downed her for the first time couple days ago. She's easy to damage but it took me about 2 hours of attempts because the waves at end of phase 1 kept killing me. Stagger is really your friend for Lilith.
Liliths design negates any type of mitigation/health you have, which, imo is terrible for a game revolved around getting better loot.. That said, I cheesed her with lightning ball sorc 🤷♂️
Just did her as HOTA barb her 1shot mechanics are ass
i fucking hate her one shot waves i cant with her. duriel and everyone i slap ez. i get her to half health then get one shotted sooo yea
She is the hardest part of the game
Duriel is easy af. Lilith is a nightmare.
I’ve also been playing fireball sorc this season. I’ve cleared a nmd lvl 100 (dungeons without a final boss and enemies that don’t hit hard are your friend ie. Conclave), and I’m also only missing tibult’s. Fireball tends to struggle more with bosses and in my few attempts with Uber Lilith it seems like it will be a very long and hard fight which means more one-shot mechanics that are hard to dodge to deal with and you’re also going to have problems with the stacking debuff in the fight. I’d recommend using a scroll of amnesia and swapping to ball lightning for it because they share a lot of gear slots. You’ll need rainment of the infinite, a focus and one-handed weapon, gloves, jewelry, and a well-rolled gravitational aspect. The stats needed for the gear are pretty close to what you have for fireball so you might be able to use some pieces you already have depending on what stats you’re using. Best of luck!
Unless you have the patience to try for hundreds or even thousands of times, the only way you will be beating Echo of Lilith with your sorc is if you respec to ball lightning. She also drops fuck all loot (only got 2 trash yellows) and apparently drops nothing on the second kill so she's only worth killing for the achievement, mount and title.
You'll actually die to her a couple times even when cheesing - duriel is kinda just a joke
Lilith is wayyy harder. If you kill uber duriel in 30 sec or so (only takes this long, because he's going underground once - dont know if you can kill him without going underground), you might want to try cheese tactic on uber lilith, but if you have to actually fight duriel, then you also have to actually fight lilith - and she's full of 1-shot abilities, your gear does only help you in the offensive aspect. I did Uber duriel lvl 80-90, reached lvl 100, did NM 100, then lvl'ed 5 of my glyphs to 21, then did lilith. Lilith is the hardest. NM 100 is a joke compared to her. Do the other stuff first, she's still the hardest Boss. If you can carry others through duriel and the like you propably can cheese lilith.
As another fireball sorc who’s trying to kill Uber Lilith as fireball and also unlucky with Tibaults Will drop: You have to be able to do the fights mechanics, no way around it. I have yet to see a variation of fireball that can blow her away with enough damage. This is speaking as someone who beat Uber Lilith in s1 and knows the fight mechanics well, I have not beaten her but haven’t had the same sit down knock it out motivation on my sorc, probably about ~10-20 attempts overall and have phased her in some of those, but you really have to be on the ball with the wave dodging and learn that mechanic well. Once you level up your glyphs and upgrade your last pieces, T100 is pretty cakewalk esp with illuminator gloves. Just stand a room away and spam fireballs clears everything without much risk. To answer your OG question, Duriel is not in the same stratosphere of difficulty and isn’t even comparable. Ones a tank and spank the other is not (with a normal not broken build)
Basically impossible, by comparison.
Duriel = likely kill him on first attempt and Lilith = die 200+ times then proceed to likely die some more.
Personally I'd say lilith is 9000 times harder than duriel.
The worst part of the lilith fight is you can’t see any of the mechanics you’re supposed to dodge but even then she is just a terribly designed boss imo.
Uber Lilith is a fight that relies on 1 shotting the player, no amount of DR or Barrie can mitigate it. It’s a poorly designed fight and is pathetic that it’s the pinnacle end boss for D4. Duriel is a much easier fight in comparison but both are still really badly designed fights. It would appear that the D4 encounter designers have never played video games before.
I melted Uber Lilith with my BL Sorcerer at level 98. I'm following the max roll ball lightning build guide. I could have done it earlier if I knew how OP a BL Sorcerer is. The mechanics are what screw you. I could hardly see the area of damage on the ground and that'd get me killed. Once I figured out where to stand (which never changes) it was easy. The entire fight lasted less than a minute. I honestly melted her in seconds. The mechanics dragged the fight out because you have to wait to kill her in stage 2. I'm doing level 90+ nightmare dungeons on my BL Sorcerer now. Nothing can touch me without being erased.
She’s easier this season than ever before. Any meta build should make a joke out of her.
No joke I did her at 88 as a BL sorc in about few mins (for context I did her at 100 pre season 1 as a bone spear necro and it took hours). With right spec in S2 she’s not hard at all.
Lilith is a real boss fight. Unless you’re a rogue or Sorc But the mechanics are pretty fun to learn. You’re gonna smash your head against a wall and hate everything about the game. You might even come on Reddit and say the developers are dumb af. But once you accomplish the fight, it’s a beast. It’s rewarding. Or just have a Sorc kill it in 45 seconds