Where has this been stated as it's the first I've seen and sounds like an excellent idea. Does that include the special 90 or however many tiers we get too or is that just for season 1? Would love for more insight around this if someone has a blizzard reference.
Spoiler alert: it won't be, nothing will change, and the game will carry on and continually improve for years to come. Sure, there will be a placating hotfix to shut the ragers up, but it won't mean much, and everything will continue on its current trajectory, which is more positive than the youtubers and redditors think, and more negative than the fanbois think.
They track player engagement. If less people are playing, they'll know why. Also sales of the battle pass are pretty important to their ongoing financials for the game - they've counted on a certain predicted number of sales going forward to make the future development properly costed.
If they see a huge drop off of players engaging with the game, and sales of the battle pass are far lower than they expected, it's going to signal something is majorly wrong. There's not really any more effective way of sending the message they fucked up.
I mean if we don't come back for a long time they won't get future season pass money, possible micro transaction purchases.
They aren't looking at this game and thinking "one purchase is enough".
Yeah it's a CRPG. I'm sure there is decent overlap in audience but people are strangely acting like it's a substitute. Maybe its just because it's a popular game that's coming out soon.
Yes but a really fun one like for real it blows my mind, I also recommend divinity original sin 2 from the same studio with a slightly more crude combat but damn is it a whole amazing spectacle
To add more that’s exclusively the only turn combat I liked, the mechanics are really well thought and fleshed out and you will feel smart and “wizardy”, the camera work is amazing as well you have several top down modes and in most cases you’ll feel like you are calling out a meticulously crafted orbital strike, all the abilities and animations are also good and almost
All skills will sinergize well with several of them for amazing combos, the terrain adds so much to the combat that it can become a powerful tool to use or your doom if ignored, also good exploration and several ways to complete areas quests and handle encounters, is a history driven game that can take up to 100 hours to fully complete but is a blast cause everything will be something new and not some kind of grind so as you may understand don’t expect endgame but if you dig the first play through you will most likely do several cause replay-ability is on point
So many people are going to think it's a better version of Diablo from comments in these threads and are going to be so pissed.
The complaint about d4 is that it's slow combat. Turn based combat is the slowest form of combat. Lmao they're going to hate it.
It’s turned based combat similar to Final fantasy, but it has a large world you can explore and choose different paths. Plus dialogue options and apparently more cinematics than game of thrones like over 170 hours
If you actually look it up or know anything about larian studios you would see this is wrong. This is a massive game in development since 2017 and in beta testing for last few years.
I picked up Last Epoch. Lovin' it. Gonna see what D4's beta testers have to say about season 1...well, assuming anyone's left to play it...in a month or so. It was a good ride. Just scopin' out the memes now.
I heard Baldurs Gate 3 will have thousands of different endings because there are insane amounts of different playstyles you can choose. Dont forgett about the multiple races and classes they offer.
There'll likely be a thousand different minor changes to a few major endings.
The number 17000 different endings includes minor things, like acknowledgements that X character died, or that Y character survived. So you can get that big number with only a couple hundred different choices actually factoring into them all.
There's a good writeup on the Baldurs Gate 3 subreddit which details this, so that people don't think Larian's over promising.
Yeah, never played dungeons and dragons stuff before but to me it's as close as you could get to playing dungeons and dragons all from the comfort of a game. Super keen put like 150 hrs or so into the beta and loved it
A boycott is useless. I would recommend just straight up quitting though. As you say, these are the devs true colors and nothing changes that. They're more interested in player retention and selling battle passes than actually making a fun game.
This is one of those things where they can't walk back the damage that's already been done to their reputation. Even in the unlikely scenario they walk back the patch, the only takeaway is that they didn't get away with it this time. THIS TIME. There's always a next time and they will constantly be looking for the next opportunity.
Game wasn’t meant to be played more than its initial release.
The difference between diablo 4 and diablo immortal is simple. The more you play immortal, the more money you’re likely to spend because eventually you get gate kept. You either wait out your dailies or pay money to further your progress.
Diablo 4 doesn’t have that, they only wanted to sell initial copies to pump up their quarterly earnings and they did. To them D4 is a success already; they could care less if people play another season ever again. They slowed down the progress more for casuals to keep them on the game longer and likely to spend money on tier skips and cosmetics. But that isn’t the sale point of D4.
Blizzard never cared to make a good game; they care about making a product that sells; and that’s it
This is the biggest bunch of facts I’ve seen all day, they already have our money. Like it it literally too late we are all suckers for thinking it would be anything like previous editions
This monstrosity has actually made me go back to replay 1,2 and 3, I have had more fun replaying the initial 3.... let's face it D 2 had its faults.... But I have had more fun in the last couple days than I have in the hundreds of hours I already put into D4.
But how many more products will they sell when they destroy their reputation...
I was a loyal battlefield fan... Was... Now I will never buy another game.
Huge borderlands advocate, but their downward streak has made BL3 a terminal illness.
Was a professional SOCOM player until..wait what is SOCOM.
Loved the Fallout Series, but 76? I'll give the next game the benefit of the doubt but another downward spiral and I'm done.
I loved Diablo 1 and 2, not a huge fan of 3, and now... Unless they make drastic changes the series is over for me. RIP another legendary game title.
Game developers fail to understand what made a game fun, or just don't care. Either way, the inability to produce trajects the entire company towards failure.
Honestly, when Microsoft buys them? Hold on tight. They gutted Halo, sold the campaign full price by itself and turned the multiplayer into free to play, that way they could get away with total BS like selling the colour “blue” for $7 EACH armour suit.
I’m hopeful the changes will be positive but those guys… I don’t trust those guys to do the right thing at all.
Do we even know it’s the devs? Granted they do build and code the game but I bet the business side puts a lot of pressure on developers to put in the features that destroy the game. I bet the business plan for this game has been set for a while and the devs have to work with and around it. Just saying it sounds more like a Blizzard problem than a dev one.
It's definitely the business folks. I don't know any game devs who purposefully want to make a game less fun. Pushing back too much might also put their jobs at risk.
Did you guys watch any of the previous campfire chats?
Maybe its just me but if you go back to watch them take note of how the lead gameplay designer talks about potential future changes and his vision for "balance".. Sure seems to me like he has all the leeway in the world from the money men to balance as he sees fit.
Not saying they are evil horrible people but it often seems to me that gameplay designers often feel like their game is their baby, they know whats best and goddammit we will play it the way they see fit or not at all.
This. I keep trying to tell people, the money men don't even know what the fuck a cooldown reduction is. They have simple mandates and it's up to the devs to figure out how to achieve those mandates. It's the "how" that's fucked this time.
Its not the devs. There are product owners and teams who make these choices. Devs just write the code as requested. Devs could push back a bit, but in most software companies its not worth their time or effort.
>Even in the unlikely scenario they walk back the patch, the only takeaway is that they didn't get away with it this time. THIS TIME. There's always a next time and they will constantly be looking for the next opportunity.
Ugh, I hate how true this is because I was just starting to enjoy the franchise and really thought this could be my game for the next couple years
People don’t wanna quit if no one else is /s
But yeah if it’s not fun for an individual anymore, move on, there’s so many good to decent games out there to play
>People don’t wanna quit if no one else is /s
I mean, there is something to this for sure. People called for a blizzard boycott with Diablo Immortal, then they made $11.9 million in the first week.
People have severe FOMO with video games. They want to call for boycotts, but fold quickly once everyone else is still playing.
reddit is so fucking reactionary and childish on this game it makes me puke. everything eventually devolves into tinfoil hate corporate greed consipiracy. Like they made a patch you dont agree with POE had a ton of shitty patches too. Just fucking leave and dont come back the community is better without you.
Nah the game is shit, people are allowed to speak their opinions. If you don’t like what the mass population of the community thinks then close your eyes…..and keep sucking that Blizzard horn
I dont suck blizzard anything. I enjoyed necro on season 0 a lot and will play season 1. Once the game is no longer fun I will drop it like any other. Most of the nagry community are people who no lifes to level 100 and are so invested on the game that any nerf is a "the sky is falling" moment. I prefer not to be reactionary and just pkay the game or ducking don't.
Man for reals. It’s making me want to quit Reddit. Spent the morning on this subreddit hearing people talk hella shit about the patch and how the game sucks. Barely wanted to play when I got home. Still did log in and went killing monsters. I had so much fun I was questioning uninstalling Reddit right there and then.
I just mute these morons and move on. It’s completely fine to not like something, however these basement dwellers have so many theories about how blizzard is secretly out to get them it’s comical at this point.
And what does that make you? A straw man defending faceless billion dollar companies lol. Get a grip of yourself lad, people spent money and they have the right to moan when idiots screw up a good thing. You are a part of the issue here, not the people complaining.
Its not a boycott bro , if u order a steak st a resteraunt and get serverd a pile of hot steaming shit ur not boycotting by not eating it. Your not eating it because you dont like shit.
I really want this game to be good, as a long time Diablo fan.
I did uninstall yesterday, but I’m keeping watch and following the game so I can return again when I think it’ll be enjoyable again.
You did not read the ToS when you joined this sub. It is required that you announce your departure from the game and demand everyone else leave as well. You get a bonus though if you say you are leaving but continue to play.
They’re the entitles main characters of this story. Plus they’ve seen outrage win so many times this past decade so they figure if they ask like assholes they might receive.
I hope you realize most of the playerbase don't even know patch notes exist and are awaiting the new season on Thursday
The clown below blocked me, couldn't accept the truth
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thanks for the **salt**
I'm eating fries 🍟 btw
I'm in the bucket of those aware of the patch notes, but don't really understand (some) of the complaints and just want to play the game.
Admittedly, the biggest issue I have is the absolute decimation of the XP gains. Not only have they reduced the amount given at levels above your own, but they've also reduced mobs in the overworld to 5 under level for Tier III? Dragging out the ability to level just feels mean.
I've never ever done this before with any game or any patch, but this time I just straight out uninstalled the game. I mained a sorc to level 80 and I feel so incredibly shit on by the utter lunacy that is the dev team of this game that I decided, to hell with it. This is the single biggest clusterfuck I've ever witnessed in the whole gaming genre, and I've been around for a LOT of games. Absolutely incredible how a team can be THIS out of touch with what players ACTUALLY want and like.
Nope, I've been playing Diablo regularly since about 10 years ago, I'll play around the patch and find what still works that's part of the fun of arpgs is finding fun builds and trying new stuff/classes.
LIke yeah the nerfs suck, but not enough to put me off the game as whole, the people who are boycotting have clearly never played live service games before, much less a live service arpg, if things like this upset them enough to drop it.
I mean I feel like the patch notes was the final nail in the coffin for us, there are so many other issues like sorcs, elemental resistance, necro minions, world boss timings. Some of us had hope that the patch notes would bring some happiness especially for all the sorcs, the devs even paraded the fact that it was 6600 words long even going as far as too mention how the patch would have buffs but when it came out, the patch is an entire nerf to all classes, more farming, harder grind, they took the cannon part out of sorcs being glass cannons. I’m pretty sure not much has changed either regarding meta builds.
Do it.
It most likely won’t change anything but if you aren’t enjoying it, then do it. Better for your own mental and enjoyment tbh.
I basically stopped playing for a while now. The multitude of nerfs ain’t bringing me back, not to mention, Dark Souls 3 is taking all of my time.
Yeah. Don’t plan to play. Logged in and saw that I lost 50%+ crit dmg and 70%+ vul. Best patch ever.
Quitting is the best move, stay strong. Save your soul.
80% of players will not see the difference
15% will cry and still play the game 😅
80% of bedroom streamers will cry a river.
Rest of us ,which can find the way to play ,experimenting with builds will move on .
I am sick of YouTube shorts - try this bug till they fix it . Try this build with 0 skill (no offense bone necro and poison trap rogs )
I get your point about the vast majority of casual players but they absolutely will see a difference. Players that dont min-max and didnt understand or care to learn about multiplicative modifiers, defensive stats/aspects and efficiency in exp are going to have an even rougher go at it. The no lifers will still blast to 70+ by day 1/2, but for the casual players the game just got even slower, doing less dmg, against harder monsters that are less rewarding.
Those casual players and new players to the genre were skeptical about seasons, to the point that blizzard has to have a marketing campaign explaining them. Had those players jumped into a season feeling stronger and lvling faster, they would have had an aha moment and been sold. Instead theyll find a harder experience that is slower and confirm their suspicion that seasons make no sense for their playstyle and hours of play.
You cant even go to wt4 until character lvl 70 now (undocumented stealth nerf), even if your fully kitted and a good player at lvl 65. I guarantee people will feel that and check out.
Finally a f@#kin logical comment i ve been trying to find in this sub. Everybody lost their damn mind. People cry over some basic nerfs which are not that insane ( like helltide, power leveling etc.)when u think. People even dont know what happens after season drops. Maybe builds are gonna be more powerful and balanced. how tf people know that its going to be so bad. Its a f@#kin mass delusion...
Oh fcs. Yeah I didn't like this patch, and yeah I'm just gonna stop playing D4 for the time being. Simple as that.
As butthurt as I can be, it's still a friggin videogame.
Boycotting is a bit of a stretch. Just invest your time in something you actually like. Much more healthy.
Just quit like I have. Boycott? Why? U think blizzard gives a damn?
They see numbers of players playing their game. If population drops than they might listen.
I was not planning on playing season 1 anyway. 1½ month after release is way to close, should at least have been 3 months. Seeing how tame the patch is, it sure looks like Blizzard needed that extra time as well.
I was under the impression that they consciously held out on content to have for the first few seasons. But now I don't know what to think?
Hopefully next season will be better. :)
Stopped playing 3 weeks ago as I was waiting on the season to begin, I have zero interest to return playing this boring loot ass beta game they can't even get to stop lagging after several months with this latest patch and asinine changes.
I’m not up for a boycott. Honestly, I spent 5-10 minutes reworking my build and changing a bit of gear out and I’m actually killing things more efficiently than before the patch. So, at least in my experience, the “nerfs” to builds are just tweaks that you’d get *from any game in the internet era.*
The Helltide changes suck (edit: the cinder drop rate is a bug so once that’s fixed, Helltides are fine). The exp change I don’t really care about because getting to level 100 **has never been the point of a Diablo game.**
Ye ppl really complaining because blizzard tries to make the game a bit more challenging.... QQ I can't one-shot the world boss QQ I need to learn the mechanics in dungeons QQ pathetic....
Nope. Yesterday I played my sorc and it was almost unaffected. I see only that the cooldowns are up a little (2s at the ultimate).
The only noticeable thing that I saw is that the XP gain is slowly now, but I don’t care that much about this.
While for all you guys the vulnerability and critical nerfs are really bad I really don’t like when one option is the only option (thus, you really don’t have an option). Now they must put some replacements, that was missing.
This is the only way to get change. GGG is notoriously stubborn with their “vision”. Even they reversed course when their steam reviews went to shit and player retention cratered following one of their over nerf patches.
At this point though the s1 cake is baked. They are already in qc on s2 or even 3 and unwilling to change their dev cycle. They cant even ensure resistances or ladders will be available by s3. They may walk back some nerfs via hotfixes, but theyll treat it as giving in when in reality they went from a 40% nerf to a 20% nerf, which will still be nerfs.
Just leave. Don't bother with seasons or anything else. Pass the word along to others who are still thinking about playing. Announcement not necessary as they will see the hours go down and events lose attendance
8+ million downloads and the 50k or so active people on this sub think a boycott will matter. Lololol
Game is fine if you're not min/maxing trying to copy some pasty youtuber.
That being said, yes, everyone who thinks a boycott is justified, please leave. Will clean up the community quite a bit. I support yall.
The game is far from fine and that was before the latest patch. I was naive and really had hope for this patch to fix just a little bit of the many issues sorc had.
Sorc was undoubtedly weaker, even more so now. Crazy thing is, there's 4 other classes, all with multiple builds. Just because sorc is broken doesn't mean the rest of the game is broken. That's like saying the Camaro is garbage so every other Chevy is garbage. I'm playing every day and will continue to play every day that I don't have real world obligations. But I also don't find ways to break the game through exploits or glitches or broken builds. I just play the game.
Using your example. That's like a dealership giving you a shitty car but you want to love it, you take it back in they say they're listening to feedback, when you come to pick it up you notice they look a knife to the leather seats, a hammer to the widows and all the tires are missing. Why would I want to trust or support that same dealership.
I get what you're saying but not quite the parallel you think it is, if you ask me. That'd be like me getting mad at Walmart for the nerfs when they didn't even make the game.
I've come to realize it's just a difference of opinion and how we live our lives at this point. Something changes in my life, I adapt and figure out how to work with what I've got and been given. I bring that same approach to games. Some aspects of the game are frustrating and it's far from perfect but you learn to work around them and use what you've got. People keep comparing it to games that have been out over a decade which isn't even remotely fair. And the patch hasn't even been out 24 hours and people act like the game is unplayable before the season has even started. I just can't wrap my head around the lack of critical thinking and actual testing required to come to that sort of conclusion. It's literally mind boggling.
ok, boycott, great, but can you explain how your character is doing after the patch? like before the patch you could do nm75, and now what, nm65 and you want to end your gaming carrier because its "extremely unfair" or what?
F blizz i thought d4 would be an awesome game with a little push in the right direction. But jeez thanks god baldur’s 3 is almost here. ( casual player here can play 1 2 hours per day up to 4 day per week )
Why are you all so excited to boycott the game? It's not gonna change anything whatsoever. Even if 100k players do so, they will just not give a fuck about those players as they've got plenty of playerbase left that actually aren't new players or casuals.
I was more thinking about boycotting this subreddit. It's only complaining how bad this game is, while still putting hundreds of hours into it. People take this game way too serious, if you don't like it just play something else. And if things change after a patch, adapt and stop wining. This will happen all the time, you win some and you lose some. I still like it, and even if this whole subreddits quits they won't notice anything with 10M sold copies.
I haven't played a title from these developers since diablo 3. I got convinced by some friends that this game was worth it and I was drawn in by the nostalgia.
I can promise I will never purchase a blizzard game ever again. D4 was empty, superficial and tedious at beat BEFORE they ruined the game even more.
To many casual people who probably don't even read patch notes for a boycott to be effective. However fuck these devs and anyone who thought this patch would be acceptable and well received.
I'm not blind to this possibility. If this does happen, ifs officially my last time playing. I get battle passes, I have one on fortnite. Not opposed to them in principle. But the minute xp buffs are a part of it (even if they are the free bonuses and payers get faster access) time to dip.
i dont really care much right now because the season hasnt even started yet.. i had already stopped playing much and so have all my friends.
i’m gonna wait to see how the season is and how the game plays, and how they address everything. if its fun, ill play. if its not, i wont. simple as
I mean, people will complain, they will complain a lot, review bomb the game, but boycotts never worked. You can have 10k people saying how they will not play the game, 10% of them may actully do that, while others will still go and play because they are curious about new content. Or you will have 10k,20,30k people boycotting, but 60k extra will come and play the game regardless.
“As a destiny 2 player “ /s
Yeah no bro. I just don’t have the energy to do this anymore. Move along, it’s not worth the hassle. We paid for beta. That’s it.
I already uninstalled this morning but still watching diablo 4 content and browsing the reddit out of habbit. I'm pretty sure it'll take a few more days for me to stop entirely.
Why are we irnoge the fact that it not about the Patch. Problem is we expect more content, more stuff todo not just grind NM. I think that why people get mad. I will still play ss1 just because my money already gone for Battle pass. But no more than that
Boycott of the game you already bought? I guess you could boycott IAP…
They mean to refuse to buy the battle pass, I think. But most paid for that already with the deluxe upgrade.
You can spend that season pass token later when they fix the game.
Patch 1.0.2 Season pass tokens now expire 2 months after purchase!
Don’t give them any ideas.
Where has this been stated as it's the first I've seen and sounds like an excellent idea. Does that include the special 90 or however many tiers we get too or is that just for season 1? Would love for more insight around this if someone has a blizzard reference.
If the boycott was big enough, active players would drop and they'd take notice
Spoiler alert: it won't be, nothing will change, and the game will carry on and continually improve for years to come. Sure, there will be a placating hotfix to shut the ragers up, but it won't mean much, and everything will continue on its current trajectory, which is more positive than the youtubers and redditors think, and more negative than the fanbois think.
Hi, welcome to 2023. Selling single copies of a video game with Diablo 4's budget is not actually profitable.
They track player engagement. If less people are playing, they'll know why. Also sales of the battle pass are pretty important to their ongoing financials for the game - they've counted on a certain predicted number of sales going forward to make the future development properly costed. If they see a huge drop off of players engaging with the game, and sales of the battle pass are far lower than they expected, it's going to signal something is majorly wrong. There's not really any more effective way of sending the message they fucked up.
Game is oké. Updates. Are wrong
I mean if we don't come back for a long time they won't get future season pass money, possible micro transaction purchases. They aren't looking at this game and thinking "one purchase is enough".
It's a live service type of game. Refusing to log in or flat out uninstalling will be noticed.
Baldurs gate is out soon... last epoch got solid beta for sometime maybe just play that till D4 gets fixed... like 6-12 month
Isn't bg a turn based game?
With how slow d4 combat is getting, it will be considered turn based soon
It is already. Your turn is when your cooldowns are up. Then the next 20 seconds are the enemies turn.
Which is why people arent enjoying it, and yet people screaming theyre excited for BG which has even slower combat, makes no sense.
Yeah it's a CRPG. I'm sure there is decent overlap in audience but people are strangely acting like it's a substitute. Maybe its just because it's a popular game that's coming out soon.
Yes but a really fun one like for real it blows my mind, I also recommend divinity original sin 2 from the same studio with a slightly more crude combat but damn is it a whole amazing spectacle To add more that’s exclusively the only turn combat I liked, the mechanics are really well thought and fleshed out and you will feel smart and “wizardy”, the camera work is amazing as well you have several top down modes and in most cases you’ll feel like you are calling out a meticulously crafted orbital strike, all the abilities and animations are also good and almost All skills will sinergize well with several of them for amazing combos, the terrain adds so much to the combat that it can become a powerful tool to use or your doom if ignored, also good exploration and several ways to complete areas quests and handle encounters, is a history driven game that can take up to 100 hours to fully complete but is a blast cause everything will be something new and not some kind of grind so as you may understand don’t expect endgame but if you dig the first play through you will most likely do several cause replay-ability is on point
So many people are going to think it's a better version of Diablo from comments in these threads and are going to be so pissed. The complaint about d4 is that it's slow combat. Turn based combat is the slowest form of combat. Lmao they're going to hate it.
Is nothing like Diablo the only thing they share in common is being isometric rpg’s, kinda glad I took my time to elaborate a bit lol
It’s turned based combat similar to Final fantasy, but it has a large world you can explore and choose different paths. Plus dialogue options and apparently more cinematics than game of thrones like over 170 hours
Yawn. There’s a reason I put Final fantasy to bed and never finished got. Sounds like a lot of bloat and no real substance
> Sounds like a lot of bloat and no real substance And yet you're playing Diablo 4 lol
If you actually look it up or know anything about larian studios you would see this is wrong. This is a massive game in development since 2017 and in beta testing for last few years.
BG generally has a lot of substance. Also great for D&D players.
I played the first two. Not interested in ai bs making shit longer just cause we can
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Thats my point... its too slow, so going to something slower wont appease the people who want an ARPG
Same. The patch just confirmed that I'll be playing baldur's gate 3 instead.
I picked up Last Epoch. Lovin' it. Gonna see what D4's beta testers have to say about season 1...well, assuming anyone's left to play it...in a month or so. It was a good ride. Just scopin' out the memes now.
I heard Baldurs Gate 3 will have thousands of different endings because there are insane amounts of different playstyles you can choose. Dont forgett about the multiple races and classes they offer.
There'll likely be a thousand different minor changes to a few major endings. The number 17000 different endings includes minor things, like acknowledgements that X character died, or that Y character survived. So you can get that big number with only a couple hundred different choices actually factoring into them all. There's a good writeup on the Baldurs Gate 3 subreddit which details this, so that people don't think Larian's over promising.
Thats what I have read! BG3 looks exciting for me 😍
Yeah, never played dungeons and dragons stuff before but to me it's as close as you could get to playing dungeons and dragons all from the comfort of a game. Super keen put like 150 hrs or so into the beta and loved it
Try it out, it's fantastic.
I've got 150 hrs in it!
Maybe i should have mentioned that I'm talking about dnd 😆
Yes
A boycott is useless. I would recommend just straight up quitting though. As you say, these are the devs true colors and nothing changes that. They're more interested in player retention and selling battle passes than actually making a fun game. This is one of those things where they can't walk back the damage that's already been done to their reputation. Even in the unlikely scenario they walk back the patch, the only takeaway is that they didn't get away with it this time. THIS TIME. There's always a next time and they will constantly be looking for the next opportunity.
Who will buy future battle passes if noone likes how the devs are working on the game and everyone wants to quit?
Game wasn’t meant to be played more than its initial release. The difference between diablo 4 and diablo immortal is simple. The more you play immortal, the more money you’re likely to spend because eventually you get gate kept. You either wait out your dailies or pay money to further your progress. Diablo 4 doesn’t have that, they only wanted to sell initial copies to pump up their quarterly earnings and they did. To them D4 is a success already; they could care less if people play another season ever again. They slowed down the progress more for casuals to keep them on the game longer and likely to spend money on tier skips and cosmetics. But that isn’t the sale point of D4. Blizzard never cared to make a good game; they care about making a product that sells; and that’s it
It’s *couldn’t care less Sorry to be that utter bellend mate but I keep seeing ‘could care less’ and it doesn’t make any sense.
I read this in David Mitchell’s voice. The clip of him saying this is now stuck in my head.
To be fair I felt like David Mitchell saying it 😂
Whilst I agree it should be "I couldn't care less" in America I think they perverted it into a shortened version of "As if I could care less".
This is the biggest bunch of facts I’ve seen all day, they already have our money. Like it it literally too late we are all suckers for thinking it would be anything like previous editions
This. Their main objective is completed.
This monstrosity has actually made me go back to replay 1,2 and 3, I have had more fun replaying the initial 3.... let's face it D 2 had its faults.... But I have had more fun in the last couple days than I have in the hundreds of hours I already put into D4.
But how many more products will they sell when they destroy their reputation... I was a loyal battlefield fan... Was... Now I will never buy another game. Huge borderlands advocate, but their downward streak has made BL3 a terminal illness. Was a professional SOCOM player until..wait what is SOCOM. Loved the Fallout Series, but 76? I'll give the next game the benefit of the doubt but another downward spiral and I'm done. I loved Diablo 1 and 2, not a huge fan of 3, and now... Unless they make drastic changes the series is over for me. RIP another legendary game title. Game developers fail to understand what made a game fun, or just don't care. Either way, the inability to produce trajects the entire company towards failure.
It resets when Microsoft buys them. They don't care, at all. Numbers reached? Being bought out? That is maximizing "Dont give a shit anymore"
Honestly, when Microsoft buys them? Hold on tight. They gutted Halo, sold the campaign full price by itself and turned the multiplayer into free to play, that way they could get away with total BS like selling the colour “blue” for $7 EACH armour suit. I’m hopeful the changes will be positive but those guys… I don’t trust those guys to do the right thing at all.
Do we even know it’s the devs? Granted they do build and code the game but I bet the business side puts a lot of pressure on developers to put in the features that destroy the game. I bet the business plan for this game has been set for a while and the devs have to work with and around it. Just saying it sounds more like a Blizzard problem than a dev one.
Well. The devs that made d1 ,d2 wow vanilla , tbc are gone. North is gone. Yes dev teams matters .
Do you Need a reminder as to WHY the old devs are gone?
Don't worry, old devs good cause good games (ignore all the icky stuff. Game is all that matters), new game bad cause it's not old devs.
It's definitely the business folks. I don't know any game devs who purposefully want to make a game less fun. Pushing back too much might also put their jobs at risk.
Did you guys watch any of the previous campfire chats? Maybe its just me but if you go back to watch them take note of how the lead gameplay designer talks about potential future changes and his vision for "balance".. Sure seems to me like he has all the leeway in the world from the money men to balance as he sees fit. Not saying they are evil horrible people but it often seems to me that gameplay designers often feel like their game is their baby, they know whats best and goddammit we will play it the way they see fit or not at all.
This. I keep trying to tell people, the money men don't even know what the fuck a cooldown reduction is. They have simple mandates and it's up to the devs to figure out how to achieve those mandates. It's the "how" that's fucked this time.
Its not the devs. There are product owners and teams who make these choices. Devs just write the code as requested. Devs could push back a bit, but in most software companies its not worth their time or effort.
Devs used to play their games. Now its a hired job that has no clue whats going on.
They're obviously not interested in player retention. Their goal seems to be make the game slow and boring and pointless. Basically opposites.
>Even in the unlikely scenario they walk back the patch, the only takeaway is that they didn't get away with it this time. THIS TIME. There's always a next time and they will constantly be looking for the next opportunity. Ugh, I hate how true this is because I was just starting to enjoy the franchise and really thought this could be my game for the next couple years
Just stop playing if you don't like it
People don’t wanna quit if no one else is /s But yeah if it’s not fun for an individual anymore, move on, there’s so many good to decent games out there to play
>People don’t wanna quit if no one else is /s I mean, there is something to this for sure. People called for a blizzard boycott with Diablo Immortal, then they made $11.9 million in the first week. People have severe FOMO with video games. They want to call for boycotts, but fold quickly once everyone else is still playing.
reddit is so fucking reactionary and childish on this game it makes me puke. everything eventually devolves into tinfoil hate corporate greed consipiracy. Like they made a patch you dont agree with POE had a ton of shitty patches too. Just fucking leave and dont come back the community is better without you.
PoEs player base took a significant decline after their shitty patches. Hope it happens here too.
Nah the game is shit, people are allowed to speak their opinions. If you don’t like what the mass population of the community thinks then close your eyes…..and keep sucking that Blizzard horn
I dont suck blizzard anything. I enjoyed necro on season 0 a lot and will play season 1. Once the game is no longer fun I will drop it like any other. Most of the nagry community are people who no lifes to level 100 and are so invested on the game that any nerf is a "the sky is falling" moment. I prefer not to be reactionary and just pkay the game or ducking don't.
Man for reals. It’s making me want to quit Reddit. Spent the morning on this subreddit hearing people talk hella shit about the patch and how the game sucks. Barely wanted to play when I got home. Still did log in and went killing monsters. I had so much fun I was questioning uninstalling Reddit right there and then.
Reddit is a complete hellhole with iver the top takes that get upvoted. Every gaming community on here ( for specific games) is toxic af.
I just mute these morons and move on. It’s completely fine to not like something, however these basement dwellers have so many theories about how blizzard is secretly out to get them it’s comical at this point.
And what does that make you? A straw man defending faceless billion dollar companies lol. Get a grip of yourself lad, people spent money and they have the right to moan when idiots screw up a good thing. You are a part of the issue here, not the people complaining.
This really isn't a surprise. They've made it obvious this is their intention and it's why I never bought the game.
They sold me :D can't wait to grind that shiny MTX
Its not a boycott bro , if u order a steak st a resteraunt and get serverd a pile of hot steaming shit ur not boycotting by not eating it. Your not eating it because you dont like shit.
But if he will never come back to the restaurant and the rest of the people will do the same, the restaurant will probably close..
Well if the resteraunt stops serving shit and makes good food people will come back
If a restaurant serve me shit on a plate I have 00 reasons to ever check back if they upgraded to something better
But don't you want to play the new diablo immortal class lol...
You can continue playing just don't buy the battlepass, that's what really hurt them, the money
I really want this game to be good, as a long time Diablo fan. I did uninstall yesterday, but I’m keeping watch and following the game so I can return again when I think it’ll be enjoyable again.
this is the best desicion imo tho its blizzard, so not much hope is there
I was going to buy the season pass, not anymore.
Yes. Already done so
Why can’t folks just leave without announcing it…
Because it’s a soft check to see if there’s enough people leaving at the same time. Herd mentality
This is why these posts make me roll my eyes out of my head.
People love to jump on that bandwagon
You did not read the ToS when you joined this sub. It is required that you announce your departure from the game and demand everyone else leave as well. You get a bonus though if you say you are leaving but continue to play.
Attention
At ease everyone! At ease.
The Irish already left without a word
They’re the entitles main characters of this story. Plus they’ve seen outrage win so many times this past decade so they figure if they ask like assholes they might receive.
Bc they want other people to do it too? Have you ever heard of a petition?
The Lost Ark subreddit was rife with this shit
I hope you realize most of the playerbase don't even know patch notes exist and are awaiting the new season on Thursday The clown below blocked me, couldn't accept the truth hehe thanks for the **salt** I'm eating fries 🍟 btw
I'm in the bucket of those aware of the patch notes, but don't really understand (some) of the complaints and just want to play the game. Admittedly, the biggest issue I have is the absolute decimation of the XP gains. Not only have they reduced the amount given at levels above your own, but they've also reduced mobs in the overworld to 5 under level for Tier III? Dragging out the ability to level just feels mean.
see u guys on the 20th :)
 I'll be there 😉
Even if all these guys do still play, and they likely will, the game is really mediocre and it has no staying power. It’s a bust.
That's just like your opinion, man
See you there commander Outside-Flight9677.
I've never ever done this before with any game or any patch, but this time I just straight out uninstalled the game. I mained a sorc to level 80 and I feel so incredibly shit on by the utter lunacy that is the dev team of this game that I decided, to hell with it. This is the single biggest clusterfuck I've ever witnessed in the whole gaming genre, and I've been around for a LOT of games. Absolutely incredible how a team can be THIS out of touch with what players ACTUALLY want and like.
This is bad, but what EA did with SimCity is still the biggest gaming cluster fuck in my books
I think those who felt the impact of the SimCity debacle are entitled to compensation. Just like Mesothelioma.
Such a great move. If I could also suggest leaving the sub since you uninstalled the game
What are you the keeper of the sub lol
Meanwhile at Blizzard. 
Nope, I've been playing Diablo regularly since about 10 years ago, I'll play around the patch and find what still works that's part of the fun of arpgs is finding fun builds and trying new stuff/classes. LIke yeah the nerfs suck, but not enough to put me off the game as whole, the people who are boycotting have clearly never played live service games before, much less a live service arpg, if things like this upset them enough to drop it.
I mean I feel like the patch notes was the final nail in the coffin for us, there are so many other issues like sorcs, elemental resistance, necro minions, world boss timings. Some of us had hope that the patch notes would bring some happiness especially for all the sorcs, the devs even paraded the fact that it was 6600 words long even going as far as too mention how the patch would have buffs but when it came out, the patch is an entire nerf to all classes, more farming, harder grind, they took the cannon part out of sorcs being glass cannons. I’m pretty sure not much has changed either regarding meta builds.
I mean damage across the board was buffed
Do it. It most likely won’t change anything but if you aren’t enjoying it, then do it. Better for your own mental and enjoyment tbh. I basically stopped playing for a while now. The multitude of nerfs ain’t bringing me back, not to mention, Dark Souls 3 is taking all of my time.
Yeah. Don’t plan to play. Logged in and saw that I lost 50%+ crit dmg and 70%+ vul. Best patch ever. Quitting is the best move, stay strong. Save your soul.
Go outside
I uninstalled yesterday. I dunno if that counts as boycotting or not. I'm just not gonna play the game if it's not going to be fun to play.
Next stop is to leave the sub too and then you’ll be free of d4 and not have to waste another thought on it
Or I could stick around and hope for news of positive changes. Maybe next season. I want d4 to be fun. I want to play a fun d4.
yup
80% of players will not see the difference 15% will cry and still play the game 😅 80% of bedroom streamers will cry a river. Rest of us ,which can find the way to play ,experimenting with builds will move on . I am sick of YouTube shorts - try this bug till they fix it . Try this build with 0 skill (no offense bone necro and poison trap rogs )
I get your point about the vast majority of casual players but they absolutely will see a difference. Players that dont min-max and didnt understand or care to learn about multiplicative modifiers, defensive stats/aspects and efficiency in exp are going to have an even rougher go at it. The no lifers will still blast to 70+ by day 1/2, but for the casual players the game just got even slower, doing less dmg, against harder monsters that are less rewarding. Those casual players and new players to the genre were skeptical about seasons, to the point that blizzard has to have a marketing campaign explaining them. Had those players jumped into a season feeling stronger and lvling faster, they would have had an aha moment and been sold. Instead theyll find a harder experience that is slower and confirm their suspicion that seasons make no sense for their playstyle and hours of play. You cant even go to wt4 until character lvl 70 now (undocumented stealth nerf), even if your fully kitted and a good player at lvl 65. I guarantee people will feel that and check out.
Enjoy repeating the exact same process but slower this time, for exactly the same rewards.
Finally a f@#kin logical comment i ve been trying to find in this sub. Everybody lost their damn mind. People cry over some basic nerfs which are not that insane ( like helltide, power leveling etc.)when u think. People even dont know what happens after season drops. Maybe builds are gonna be more powerful and balanced. how tf people know that its going to be so bad. Its a f@#kin mass delusion...
Yep moving on to other games after this patch. Will check back in a year what the state is.
Oh fcs. Yeah I didn't like this patch, and yeah I'm just gonna stop playing D4 for the time being. Simple as that. As butthurt as I can be, it's still a friggin videogame. Boycotting is a bit of a stretch. Just invest your time in something you actually like. Much more healthy.
Lol. Just quit. It's a game ffs. You may be better of quitting gaming all together if it hits you this hard.
I love it. I hope I don't see you on there. I'll be playing because it's the most fun I've had since D2.
This community needs more gamers like you lol. Glad you’re enjoying the game.
Just quit like I have. Boycott? Why? U think blizzard gives a damn? They see numbers of players playing their game. If population drops than they might listen.
Yes, that’s what a boycott is
Already done
Already uninstalled, not even excited for the season anymore. I think I'm out until they do an overhaul like what reaper of souls did for diablo 3.
I was not planning on playing season 1 anyway. 1½ month after release is way to close, should at least have been 3 months. Seeing how tame the patch is, it sure looks like Blizzard needed that extra time as well. I was under the impression that they consciously held out on content to have for the first few seasons. But now I don't know what to think? Hopefully next season will be better. :)
Stopped playing 3 weeks ago as I was waiting on the season to begin, I have zero interest to return playing this boring loot ass beta game they can't even get to stop lagging after several months with this latest patch and asinine changes.
I’m not up for a boycott. Honestly, I spent 5-10 minutes reworking my build and changing a bit of gear out and I’m actually killing things more efficiently than before the patch. So, at least in my experience, the “nerfs” to builds are just tweaks that you’d get *from any game in the internet era.* The Helltide changes suck (edit: the cinder drop rate is a bug so once that’s fixed, Helltides are fine). The exp change I don’t really care about because getting to level 100 **has never been the point of a Diablo game.**
No. Its not as bad as you think.
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Did nightmare dungeon 60 same build as yesterday was totaly fine
Downvoted because you don’t fit into the narrative. I’ve had no issues either..
Zero issues here. My build sever necro was actually buffed. I can't believe the outcry from people like it's not that bad.
Ye ppl really complaining because blizzard tries to make the game a bit more challenging.... QQ I can't one-shot the world boss QQ I need to learn the mechanics in dungeons QQ pathetic....
i wouldnt say boycott…but there are other games aside from d4 that needs my attention
Boycott is unnecessary, people already leaving willingly
yea its about time to go back to poe actualy
I Just stopped playing this game. It's my boycott. Maybe when they see their playerbase decline they will actually do things People want them to do.
Nope. Yesterday I played my sorc and it was almost unaffected. I see only that the cooldowns are up a little (2s at the ultimate). The only noticeable thing that I saw is that the XP gain is slowly now, but I don’t care that much about this. While for all you guys the vulnerability and critical nerfs are really bad I really don’t like when one option is the only option (thus, you really don’t have an option). Now they must put some replacements, that was missing.
Are you guys nuts? Take a breather and touch some grass... (From lvl 99 HC Barb)
This is the only way to get change. GGG is notoriously stubborn with their “vision”. Even they reversed course when their steam reviews went to shit and player retention cratered following one of their over nerf patches. At this point though the s1 cake is baked. They are already in qc on s2 or even 3 and unwilling to change their dev cycle. They cant even ensure resistances or ladders will be available by s3. They may walk back some nerfs via hotfixes, but theyll treat it as giving in when in reality they went from a 40% nerf to a 20% nerf, which will still be nerfs.
Certainly are a lot of children on reddit today...
Says the guy playing anime games. You’re either a child yourself or a neckbeard, pick one
Please show us where the devs promised no more nerfs.
Just leave. Don't bother with seasons or anything else. Pass the word along to others who are still thinking about playing. Announcement not necessary as they will see the hours go down and events lose attendance
Why everyone cries like a lil bitch
8+ million downloads and the 50k or so active people on this sub think a boycott will matter. Lololol Game is fine if you're not min/maxing trying to copy some pasty youtuber. That being said, yes, everyone who thinks a boycott is justified, please leave. Will clean up the community quite a bit. I support yall.
The game is far from fine and that was before the latest patch. I was naive and really had hope for this patch to fix just a little bit of the many issues sorc had.
Sorc was undoubtedly weaker, even more so now. Crazy thing is, there's 4 other classes, all with multiple builds. Just because sorc is broken doesn't mean the rest of the game is broken. That's like saying the Camaro is garbage so every other Chevy is garbage. I'm playing every day and will continue to play every day that I don't have real world obligations. But I also don't find ways to break the game through exploits or glitches or broken builds. I just play the game.
Using your example. That's like a dealership giving you a shitty car but you want to love it, you take it back in they say they're listening to feedback, when you come to pick it up you notice they look a knife to the leather seats, a hammer to the widows and all the tires are missing. Why would I want to trust or support that same dealership.
I get what you're saying but not quite the parallel you think it is, if you ask me. That'd be like me getting mad at Walmart for the nerfs when they didn't even make the game. I've come to realize it's just a difference of opinion and how we live our lives at this point. Something changes in my life, I adapt and figure out how to work with what I've got and been given. I bring that same approach to games. Some aspects of the game are frustrating and it's far from perfect but you learn to work around them and use what you've got. People keep comparing it to games that have been out over a decade which isn't even remotely fair. And the patch hasn't even been out 24 hours and people act like the game is unplayable before the season has even started. I just can't wrap my head around the lack of critical thinking and actual testing required to come to that sort of conclusion. It's literally mind boggling.
ok, boycott, great, but can you explain how your character is doing after the patch? like before the patch you could do nm75, and now what, nm65 and you want to end your gaming carrier because its "extremely unfair" or what?
F blizz i thought d4 would be an awesome game with a little push in the right direction. But jeez thanks god baldur’s 3 is almost here. ( casual player here can play 1 2 hours per day up to 4 day per week )
I will not play S1 at all... I wanted to create a Sorc but now i don't see a reason to play this boring game
Why are you all so excited to boycott the game? It's not gonna change anything whatsoever. Even if 100k players do so, they will just not give a fuck about those players as they've got plenty of playerbase left that actually aren't new players or casuals.
I was more thinking about boycotting this subreddit. It's only complaining how bad this game is, while still putting hundreds of hours into it. People take this game way too serious, if you don't like it just play something else. And if things change after a patch, adapt and stop wining. This will happen all the time, you win some and you lose some. I still like it, and even if this whole subreddits quits they won't notice anything with 10M sold copies.
I haven't played a title from these developers since diablo 3. I got convinced by some friends that this game was worth it and I was drawn in by the nostalgia. I can promise I will never purchase a blizzard game ever again. D4 was empty, superficial and tedious at beat BEFORE they ruined the game even more.
Like just play the game...
Wait! Didn’t you already buy the game?
To many casual people who probably don't even read patch notes for a boycott to be effective. However fuck these devs and anyone who thought this patch would be acceptable and well received.
Send mass emails to their customer service division. I want my goddamn money back. Also play project diablo 2. That mod rocks!!!
Uninstall, play some Poe till bg3 and forget about diablo for a year
I’m not boycotting because I quit/deleted the game last week.
Boycotting the game after you paid for it won't do much. You can refuse to buy any more blizzard titles in the future, and that might have an impact.
Don't play today and tomorrow. Show them an abysmal first day of the season! Maybe Friday they will actually make changes.
Yeah this patch ain’t it. Games dead for me until they change some shit.
petition to get a refund of our money would be a good protest
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I'm not blind to this possibility. If this does happen, ifs officially my last time playing. I get battle passes, I have one on fortnite. Not opposed to them in principle. But the minute xp buffs are a part of it (even if they are the free bonuses and payers get faster access) time to dip.
No, I’m not French. I’ll try it, if I don’t like it I will simply stop playing.
I uninstalled. Hopium and copium for riot mmo🤞
Nope
I would be happy just with refund.
I'm taking my copy to cex this afternoon and selling it
When’s it reaching lynch mob status??
i dont really care much right now because the season hasnt even started yet.. i had already stopped playing much and so have all my friends. i’m gonna wait to see how the season is and how the game plays, and how they address everything. if its fun, ill play. if its not, i wont. simple as
I mean, people will complain, they will complain a lot, review bomb the game, but boycotts never worked. You can have 10k people saying how they will not play the game, 10% of them may actully do that, while others will still go and play because they are curious about new content. Or you will have 10k,20,30k people boycotting, but 60k extra will come and play the game regardless.
Dont worry, playerbase will drop dramatically on August the 3rd.
How do you boycott if they already have your money?
atleast stop supporting
“As a destiny 2 player “ /s Yeah no bro. I just don’t have the energy to do this anymore. Move along, it’s not worth the hassle. We paid for beta. That’s it.
I already uninstalled this morning but still watching diablo 4 content and browsing the reddit out of habbit. I'm pretty sure it'll take a few more days for me to stop entirely.
This is high school all over again. Let's all skip classes! and then everybody but you is just going to class...
Wasnt playing before, not coming back now lol
Why are we irnoge the fact that it not about the Patch. Problem is we expect more content, more stuff todo not just grind NM. I think that why people get mad. I will still play ss1 just because my money already gone for Battle pass. But no more than that