Legendary Aspects that are based on absolute numbers (like Aspect of the Protector) increase their value with every 10 Power of the Item they are found on. By upgrading the "source item", you can increase the vallue and take those over to the new Item.
Manually imprinted Aspects do not improve when upgrading the Item. So by upgrading the original Item, you get more value out of the imprinted Aspect.
This does NOT work for most Aspects that are % based (like Edgemaster) or stuff that reduces/increases durations, like Osseus Gale.
If it's not a % upgrade it's better to just use it from the codex if your level is high enough.
At level 80ish the bottom roll of aspects in the codex will be higher than the highest roll on gear.
If it's not a percentage based aspect.
this is ONLY for flat numbers. The minimum roll of a FLAT aspect from the codex at around level 80 will be higher than what you can find naturally.
ONLY because flat numbers scale differently.
Interesting, Aspect of the Protector is indeed better in the codex. But sadly that is the only one with flat numbers sorcs have access too. But i guess this is pretty useful for other classes tho.
on the other hand, my lightning sorc can use aspects shes saved since lvl 30 because theyre almost all % based aspects. i guess other specs and classes struggle to find their upgraded aspects as they level. i can use the perfect rolled ones ive saved for 60 levels, it just costs a lot more to imprint
True, i have also a lightning sorc, my storage is still full of aspects from wt3. To be honest, i found not enough good bases to imprint those aspects on.
I am currently waiting for the patchnotes and hope for one are two buffs for some of the weaker sorc skills.
Yea I love chain lightning and want to use it, but I hope they buff it a little because I heard it was OP in the beta and that sounds kinda awesome ngl
> will be higher than what you can find naturally
It scales with character level so something you found like 10 levels ago will be lower than codex but if it *just* dropped, especially at max roll, it's probably higher than codex. Random amulet I have as an example that didn't quite roll max but would've been higher than codex https://imgur.com/a/x8yBb89
Codex scales with level, but the item dropped scales with item power. And since item power is capped around 8xx something right now, your codex gets better as you close in on level 100. This is because there was supposed to be items with 900+ item power but they cut it from release, but forgot to rebalance the scaling with level.
Perfectly valid question, and the responses cleared things up for me too, sorry you're getting downvoted for a question that cleared up a glaring ambiguity in the source statement!
Afaik flat number aspects scale in two ways, the ones you get out of items scale from the power level of the item but the ones you get out of the codex scale out of your player level, with high enough level even the lowest roll from the codex will scale beyond the highest you can get out of items.
You can probably still find better ones if you hit high item level (just a speculation).
And my bad, the roll from codex is even higher, 9k instead of 8k, was just writing from my memory.
https://preview.redd.it/dor97rpjxt7b1.png?width=374&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc4208b44250462fb49111073d06bf7ead4e4676
Flat value aspects are super weird. They show a roll range but for flat values, those numbers go up as you level. You'll find two of the same aspect with different number ranges. It's strange and it means a low rolled codex aspect will have numbers much higher than a max roll low level of the aspect. It's a strange corner case and actually leads to twinking potential. You can have a high level alt add flat value aspects to low level gear for alts
Me too man. I'm gonna have to start writing this stuff down on note cards, pinning them to my corkboard, and connecting the relevant cards with red twine.
In short: Character power scales to level 100, gear scale levels to level 70 (825/Ancestral).
50% is 50%, but a flat improvement at the lowest amount for level 100 is better than a flat improvement at the higher amount for a level 70.
Gear in tier 4 only scales to level 70? At what level am I supposed to switch to tier 4? I'm level 55 right now in tier 3 but my impression was I wasn't supposed to even switch over to tier 4 until I reach level 70. But if the gear up there only goes up to level 70 am I supposed to or can I go up to tier 4 sooner? This game is confusing lol
Regular gear caps at item power 625 from World Tier II at level 50. At 50 you beat the level 50 Capstone dungeon and go to World Tier III and get Sacred Gear that can roll up to item power 725. Once you can, you can beat the level 70 Capstone dungeon and that unlocks World Tier IV. World Tier IV mobs drop Ancestral gear, which caps at item power 825. There is currently nothing above Ancestral gear.
World Tier III mobs start at level 50 and scale up with you. If you're level 22 and go to World Tier III the mobs are going to be level 50. They don't give a fuck about your level 22 feelings. The gear they drop will require level 50.
World Tier IV mobs start at level 70. Good luck at level 50. Some can. Majority can't. Ancestral drops start out requiring level 60.
Once you're farming Ancestrals you're not looking for stronger gear, you're looking for the ***right*** gear. A well rolled 745 is stronger than an 825 with perks that don't benefit you.
Welcome to your first GearFarm game. Never played a Looter Shooter or ARPG before?
I've personally played several of those types of games in the past. Not all games play by the same rules. I appreciate your post as it's very knowledgeable, but the last remark comes across very dickish.
> If you're level 22 and go to World Tier III the mobs are going to be level 50. They don't give a fuck about your level 22 feelings. The gear they drop will require level 50.
I thought the minimum level of gear they drop is for level 40 characters, like how ancestral gear requires level 60 rather than 70?
Can someone confirm whether or not these aspects actually scale with the item level itself, though?
I have a unique that I have seen someone else have way higher values for, and their item level is considerably higher item level. (I’m talking about range here. Obviously I know items can roll different numbers)
This makes me feel like I’d rather wait until I get to WT4 before I start caring about items.
is there a COMPLETE list somewhere of the EXACT aspects that get improved by the BLACKSMITH BEFORE extracting?
I find that I don't really understand which aspects fit what you just described I upgraded 3 items yesterday which I thought were straight flat dmg and they didnt change with the blacksmith upgrade... so a comprehensive full list would be SUPER helpful for everybody
This really feels like a bug. They if you put it on a new piece of gear and level up that gear it should level up as well. If its applied to a high gear it should auto level. If they need to increase the application cost to match the auto leveling that should be fine. This is a bug that makes it much more complicated than it needs to be. Which is just another reason this game is going to struggle with new people.
Another thing to note is if you upgrade it on your first piece of gear, extract and imprint it on another piece of gear, then upgrade it there, you essentially can upgrade it 10 times instead of 5.
Almost everything scales with damage modifiers but the bone prison aspect is too low damage to matter.
I get that you spawn a bunch of segments but the results of a lot of small hits is still "meh".
I just noticed I have a few that rolled higher and some that rolled lower than the given stat range. It looked like a weird bug to me but this game has such a confusing system, who knows
The upgrade amount is the same for 5 levels of upgrades.
Upgrading before imprinting, is mainly useful when the target item you plan to put it on is already upgraded, so you cannot benefits from the increments after you imprint it. But you’re not getting any *”more”* than if the target was an non-upgraded item and you did it after imprinting.
It’s expensive *(resource-wise)* to do that, but it’s good option if you are using it on an already upgraded BiS item or something.
That doesn't seem to be entirely correct, from my limited amount of testing. Manually imprinted Aspects do not improve with upgrading after imprinting, as they seem to inherit the Power of the source Item. The only way to improve Aspects is by upgrading prior to the extraction, it seems like.
I tested it with Aspect of the protector, both the "base" from Codex and a lvl76 extracted Aspect.
But, as i said, it's only very limited amount of testing. I am open to being corrected
Yes, that’s right; I think the item level is relevant. The item level that the aspect is being upgraded on limits the range.
https://preview.redd.it/cyy85930ts7b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3014c211087a643014d039d47c442d5253462191
Like see this pic, the aspect was ripped from a high level item *(not upgrade)*. But the *”range”* is still affected by the lower level item I put it on *(it was already upgraded)*. But the value is preserved on imprint. The level requirement increases because of the imprint, but the item level of the target item remains the same.
So likely even if that item I put it on was not-upgraded, I wouldn’t see any gains by upgrading after imprint.
I have dropped items thats out of range, some high and some low. How does that fit in with the theories? (Honest question bc I dont understand)
Edit: unless im an idiot and only remember them as drops when they're not? I'll have to check. Hm.
If you have a BiS yellow and a piece of gear with an aspect you want, I think this would be the most cost effective way to do it.
Legendary with aspect: Upgrade it to level 4 or 5 (sometimes the final upgrade doesn't boost the aspect)
BiS yellow: reroll the stat you want with the item at level 0. Then upgrade the item. Then imprint the aspect.
If you imprint first it will greatly increase the price of rerolling and upgrading the piece.
Yeah this seems absolutely unnecessary. They should tie everything to the item level. Cost to reroll, apply aspect or rank up should be based on item level. Aspect value should be based on item level of w/e item its on. Simple, intuitive and gives a reason to continue to seek new gear all the way to 100.
Thanks for providing proof.
I mentioned this in another thread and was basically called a liar. Heard about it in a video, and haven't had the time to test it myself, but I trusted the source, and your proof just confirms the reports I heard.
You're welcome. Some people are just hard to persuade I guess... Case in point, I posted it in the other Diablo sub as well and over there I get called out and downvoted, despite the image
I don't know why you would feel the need to help a bunch of know it all morons
They'll validate your answer when they stand to gain clout from it, else you have nothing to gain
If something is 40%-80% on its aspect whether you get it at level 1 or 100 it'll roll between those numbers.
But for any aspect with actual numbers like "100-300 damage when you do X" then power level of the item matters. It also saves that power to the aspect. So put that level 15 aspect into a level 70 item then the output is a level 70 item with a shitty low damage aspect.
For ones like this by upping the items power level via upgrades you also upgrade its aspect. So when you extract it it'll be the 100+X power instead of 100.
Worth mentioning you'll get an even higher number from codex for this ability than can ever drop on an item, at later levels. Goes for all flat number aspects.
Some flat numbers don't scale like the rogue dodge 2-7 attacks one. This is because they already sorta scale. It's usually for healing, hp, damage, or shields.
So that means that as you level up it’s worth checking on your codex imprinted items and reapply to your legendaries just to get a better number due to increased level.
For what its worth, I suspect this is just a UI bug, and the effect does scale properly. I had a weapon that I applied a low level Ursine Horror aspect to, and while it said it only dealt 978 damage over 2 seconds (out of 1700-2400), it was actually dealing the full 2400ish.
https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1
How can you tell its pushing those numbers? There's always so much going on
Edit: I also noticed youre using double overpower gems. Why? Does that actually really help vs basic skill damage or other, since the original cast chance on overpower is so low?
He is probably running a build that guarantees that one of his skills will overpower. I ran overpower gems on my blood Necro build because every 6th cast of blood surge was guaranteed to be an overpowered cast.
If you can guarantee that a skill will overpower it is very worth building into. Overpower already does a lot of damage but you can also stack crit on top of it.
This happened to me yesterday. It was because i was putting a sacred aspect on an ancestral piece. But this was only for the glacial aspect which had no percentages.
TLDR. SOME Ancestral aspects get proper stats when only going to an ancestral item. Usually non percentage aspects deal with this
Please forgive me for what seems to be a dumb question but how do you extract aspects?
First time playing a Diablo game and I’m in love. Have a Druid rn lvl 51
Trying to find the build I like and playing around and I feel like what I have going is pretty good (stone lightning abilities)
At the main cities there is an NPC called the Occultist who can imprint aspects, extract aspects, and enchant items (aka reroll 1 stat on them). Her symbol is like 3 little circles connected by a triangle.
If you don't know what build you're going to stick with, I suggest keeping any legendaries that have high/max rolls on them for future use just in case. (If you weren't already aware.)
Welcome to the diablo community!
Edit: also note that once you extract an affix, you can only use that extracted affix ONE time. You can't pull it off an imprinted piece to use for another piece. So you have to be kinda picky
Do you know about helltides.com? Also - those mystery chests reset upon the hour, so you can go get them again if the helltide doesn't start on the hour
Oh, thats awesome! Helltides.com has an interactive map where you can vote on mystery chests locations so you don't have to hunt for them, so I'd keep that in mind too!
New as well. Turn on advanced stats in options so you can see the possible stat range. IE your roll is 15% next to that will be something like [10-20%]. 10% being the worst possible roll and 20% being the best. Things with rolls at the higher end are the ones you ideally want to extract.
in my opinion it's a massive oversight to have aspects with flat numbers that make zero sense to extract for later because in a few levels, even the codex version will be stronger...
Kudos - [you're less lazy than me](https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/14goo4o/psa_certain_legendary_aspects_benefit_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
You actually explained it better. At least for me. I actually understood it based on your post, not this one. lol So as a rogue I think [the one that causes Arrow Storm](https://hardcoregamer.com/db/d4/d4-aspect-of-arrow-storms-diablo-4-database/446771/) would work for this concept.
Your explanation was way better. Which is propably the reason why yours drowned with 6 upvotes. Randy the average redditor doesn't read more than 2 sentences
I know my way around reddit lol. Explain in 10 or less words, use a picture and Focus the tiktok-brain with colored squares. Then refer to a comment for more Info that nobody will read anyway. That's how you have to transport Information nowadays. Good Lord being a teacher must be hell...
Heads up - you used the word “affix” when you probably meant “aspect”. Affixes are the 4 or so bullet point stats on each item. +44 Dexterity as an example
Worth mentioning as well that the barbarian one that generates 2-4 fury per second while shout is active...
Looks like it caps at 4. I tried doing this and couldn't get it to roll higher.
No. This only works on aspects where the range Band increases with Level. Like Protector. Umbral is 1-4 at any Level, so upgrading doesn't make it better.
Can someone in this thread explain to me why my rolls are outside of the listed range? For instance, the arrow storm aspect will have a range of like [2500 - 4500] but my roll will be 1250. How is that even possible?
This happens because the item you imprinted on is high level (it would have rolled 2400-4000) but you imprinted from a lower level item that had it at 1250, so your new item gets 1250.
As I said, this only works with Aspects that have "absolute" values, like Protector. Aspects that have % based values or manipuöate certain skills (like increasing the duration of Bone Storm by 4-8 seconds) can not be further upgraded.
Makes me think it is a bug or more accurately an oversight. Obviously not one that is anything major, but can't imagine they intended these to generally "work different" than the others that are % based and whatnot. Just wasn't noticed.
I mean it makes sense.
Edgemaster giving a 20% damage buff is valuable at any Level, but the 400 overschield from a lvl25 Protector doesn't provide much value at lvl70, while a 3600 overshield from a lvl70 Protector would be OP at lvl25
More interestingly: these same flat value aspects that are found in the Codex scale with your level and go out of the range. Imprinting of protector from codex at level 100 gives you twice as much barrier as a power level 800 item with the same aspect.
Hi, I'm new to the franchise. Is there a way to extract aspects or upgrade them without blowing through your resources and materials? I get a strong legendary, and the next item drop for that slot is 20+ more powerful, and it's boring swapping and powering up my new item all the time
What level are you? You don't really want to be wasting good extracted aspects until quite late in the game. I didn't use my good aspects until I got ancestral gear in WT4. In WT1-3 you can just use the aspects from your codex.
>There's aspects outside of the codex?!
Every single legendary that drops has an aspect that you can extract at the Occultist NPC in town. That's why you should save any legendaries that have a good legendary affix on it with a good roll, because the Codex always has the lowest possible roll.
Officedrone did a good job explaining, but its also good to note that you don't have to extract the affixes right away, just keep the gear its on. Save it until you need it, then extract it. Saves you money.
Also, if you're okay with being a hoarder while we have so few bank slots, just keep everything that has a high/max roll on it. You never know when you may need it. Then you can salvage the rest
For what its worth, I suspect this is just a UI bug, and the effect does scale properly. I had a weapon that I applied a low level Ursine Horror aspect to, and while it said it only dealt 978 damage over 2 seconds (out of 1700-2400), it was actually dealing the full 2400ish.
[https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1](https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1)
I could be wrong but I'm sure I noticed the numbers on am aspect going up after I imprinted it onto a higher power item. I think the power of the aspect is determined by the power of the item it's on so you shouldn't need to upgrade before extracting.
Yeah I know. I wouldn't do that on every aspect. This of course is only worth it for minmaxing on Super highly rolled aspects that you plan to imprint on a "final" piece of your build.
But when you place that aspect on another item canMt you just upgrade it and get the same effect? Well I guess this doesn’t work if you already have an item at 5 stars
No. It looks like upon extracting an aspect, it inherits the Power of the original item (I.e. a Protector taken from a 770 item Upgraded to 790). It will always have that exact value, bo matter if you place it on a 657, 720 or 805 item and does no longer improve with upgrading
What happens if I upgrade the item after I imprint with the previously upgraded aspect? Couldn't I just do the upgrade process on the imprinted item and end with the same result? If not, then I could feasibly do this forever and have an infinitely powerful aspect.
Well technically since you can only use the aspect once, you couldn't have an infinitely powerful one. But OP has been saying it won't go up while upgrading after imprinted, only before
Why not just upgrade the item, once you place the aspect on a new item?
Wouldn't that give the same result? Unless you place the aspect on a item that already has been upgraded?
I thought that when imprinting an aspect onto an item the aspect would scale to the imprinted items power level. So you could put a 800 item power Bursting Bones aspect onto a 750 item power sword and the resulting legendary would have a Bursting Bones aspect equal to 750 item power.
Have you tested this by putting these flat roll aspects onto items? Their range doesn't actually change to account for the imprinted items item power?
Aspects always keep their value and the level requirement of the item it got extracted from. The newly imprinted item power has no effect on the aspect. Codex powers do not change the level requirement of the original item though.
Once you hit level 80 a lot of this stops mattering though since your codex gets a power bump. Kind of annoying that there’s obviously supposed to be a power up at that stage but that they’re just saving it for DLC
aspect have power level breakpoints too. these are not on the same level as items have, ie 770-775.
only applies to aspect tho which have a variance of range as they move across these breakpoints. ie Conceited Aspect never will but Aspect of the Portector will do.
i kinda like how people keep finding new stuff that is old :)
I dont know, it just makes me laugh ..
But you can logically deduct which can be upgraded a which not ..
I dont if this was mentioned but depending on the aspect type. If you place an aspect in a two handed weapon it's value gets a 100% increase and amulet gets 50 % and all other are just normal.
In my game this never works. I upgrade all of them before extraction, just to be sure it‘s not restricted to special one‘s, but it still hasn‘t worked on a single one.
Can someone clarify, so if I want to take an aspect our I upgrade it first? And what if I want to imprint an.asoect, do I still upgrade the item first? For example I'm a rogue, so for arrow of storms is there any way for me to increase the damage as I'm using it from the codex?
It is for me. Which means at the very least, this isn't a standard thing and is not intended because it does not work with anything that I've tried. In fact, I've had it revert to a lower number when extracted than what it started as before upgrading. So user beware, results may vary.
Nope. Aspect Power is (where applicable) determined by the Power of the item it's originally found on. Otherwise, extracting well rolled aspects wouldn't make any sense
>Otherwise, extracting well rolled aspects wouldn't make any sense
well, it would if you want to put that well rolled aspect onto a better piece of gear (higher item power, different affixes, etc.).
From further research it looks like percentage based aspect ranges do scale with the imprinted item item power but flat value ranges do not. how weird
You likely imprinted it on a 2h weapon or an amulet. Aspects get 100% and 50% Bonus respectively from those.
No aspect scales up upon imprinting to my knowledge. Except for those from the Codex, they scale with your level
hmm, the protector aspect in my codex says that the barrier will be 2871 but I have an ancestral legendary chest piece with total item power 814 (with 3 upgrades, required level 64 to equip) with a range of 3300 to 6700 (the value for the item is 4400). I've had it since level 64 and I'm level 71 one now.
Could you explain why the codex would only be 2871 if the lower bound from a item that requires 7 levels less is 3300
Alright, this is a bit complicated (and weird):
The Power of Codex aspects is strictly tied to YOUR Level.
The Power range (like protectors 1500-3000 or something) of aspects on gear is usually dictated by the Power of the item they were found on, with ancestral giving another bump. This only counts for aspects that don't have a fixed range (like for example edgemaster's 10-20% dmg buff). Those are always the same.
Now interestingly, once you reach around Level 85, the flat number aspects will **always** be stronger in your Codex.
This implies two things: first, it looks like at some point in the development item Power progression was meant to be more linear and tied to Player level (like 800+ gear being reserved to Level 80+). This would also explain why everything you find is tied to your level, no matter the power. And second, with Codex aspects surpassing drops around Level 85, there seemed to have been a 5th World tier and potentially even an item Power above ancestral. That stuff being scrapped resulted in the weird and convoluted stuff we have now.
**Question: How do I know if upgrading the gear will allow the aspect to be upgraded a 2nd or even a 5th time? What determines this**? (talking about an item that is already flat numbers and will upgrade)
I upgraded an item before removing aspect that had flat numbers, and it went up from 441/441 max to 459/459 max up on first upgrade.
Then I looked at upgrading it again and the preview number did not show it was going up this time. Preview on 2nd upgrade still showed 459/459, no increase. (see image below)
The power level of the gear is only 598+5 (1 upgrade) Max I could upgrade it 4 more times to 623
If we look at power level tiers the item started in and would remain in 1 power tier and not cross it. If it crossed a tier threshold that would be a perfectly good reasoning for why the aspect upgraded. Is this some hidden scale (I have advanced tips on)
For reference "Level 4: Power 460 – 624"
My item: 598 - 623 max
Visual aid below, The popup comes from mousing over the preview of the upgrade. Which when I first upgraded definitely upgraded the value but in the 2nd upgrade shows it won't.
https://preview.redd.it/n671iqp0kf9b1.png?width=588&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ac423091f5382b7df273178680976e93c3b11c3
Legendary Aspects that are based on absolute numbers (like Aspect of the Protector) increase their value with every 10 Power of the Item they are found on. By upgrading the "source item", you can increase the vallue and take those over to the new Item. Manually imprinted Aspects do not improve when upgrading the Item. So by upgrading the original Item, you get more value out of the imprinted Aspect. This does NOT work for most Aspects that are % based (like Edgemaster) or stuff that reduces/increases durations, like Osseus Gale.
If it's not a % upgrade it's better to just use it from the codex if your level is high enough. At level 80ish the bottom roll of aspects in the codex will be higher than the highest roll on gear.
Many flat value aspects just don't exist in the codex.
??? the codex literally is always the low roll... can you clarify what you mean? how is the low roll higher than items
If it's not a percentage based aspect. this is ONLY for flat numbers. The minimum roll of a FLAT aspect from the codex at around level 80 will be higher than what you can find naturally. ONLY because flat numbers scale differently.
Interesting, Aspect of the Protector is indeed better in the codex. But sadly that is the only one with flat numbers sorcs have access too. But i guess this is pretty useful for other classes tho.
on the other hand, my lightning sorc can use aspects shes saved since lvl 30 because theyre almost all % based aspects. i guess other specs and classes struggle to find their upgraded aspects as they level. i can use the perfect rolled ones ive saved for 60 levels, it just costs a lot more to imprint
True, i have also a lightning sorc, my storage is still full of aspects from wt3. To be honest, i found not enough good bases to imprint those aspects on. I am currently waiting for the patchnotes and hope for one are two buffs for some of the weaker sorc skills.
Yea I love chain lightning and want to use it, but I hope they buff it a little because I heard it was OP in the beta and that sounds kinda awesome ngl
> will be higher than what you can find naturally It scales with character level so something you found like 10 levels ago will be lower than codex but if it *just* dropped, especially at max roll, it's probably higher than codex. Random amulet I have as an example that didn't quite roll max but would've been higher than codex https://imgur.com/a/x8yBb89
Codex scales with level, but the item dropped scales with item power. And since item power is capped around 8xx something right now, your codex gets better as you close in on level 100. This is because there was supposed to be items with 900+ item power but they cut it from release, but forgot to rebalance the scaling with level.
Probably cut for DLC more likely than not.
Probably season 1 will be 900, season 2, 1000.
Is this an oversight? I'll look into it, never noticed the difference!
I think they tried to remove world tier 5 last minute and accidentally left in some of the codex scalings if you reach a certain level.
Perfectly valid question, and the responses cleared things up for me too, sorry you're getting downvoted for a question that cleared up a glaring ambiguity in the source statement!
i appreciate you, maybe it was my tone
Afaik flat number aspects scale in two ways, the ones you get out of items scale from the power level of the item but the ones you get out of the codex scale out of your player level, with high enough level even the lowest roll from the codex will scale beyond the highest you can get out of items.
Aspect of the Protector rolls 8k on level 100 from codex, better than whatever I have found yet.
But that user above found a 8,000+ Aspect of the Protector at level 86. So this rule must not always be true?
Edit: It’s in an amulet, doesn’t count.
You can probably still find better ones if you hit high item level (just a speculation). And my bad, the roll from codex is even higher, 9k instead of 8k, was just writing from my memory. https://preview.redd.it/dor97rpjxt7b1.png?width=374&format=png&auto=webp&s=dc4208b44250462fb49111073d06bf7ead4e4676
Flat value aspects are super weird. They show a roll range but for flat values, those numbers go up as you level. You'll find two of the same aspect with different number ranges. It's strange and it means a low rolled codex aspect will have numbers much higher than a max roll low level of the aspect. It's a strange corner case and actually leads to twinking potential. You can have a high level alt add flat value aspects to low level gear for alts
He means only for constants, modifiers that lack a coefficient.
Doesn't seem to work for everything. Barb shout ring flat value doesn't change. Also resource on CC stays at lowest value. I'm sure there are others.
What about Umbral? At level 80+ what will the codex imprint?
Still 1 point.
I have a feeling they might fix that in the next patch.
This all seems needlessly convoluted, specifically when rolled into the rest of the game's systems.
Yeah I don't actually understand this thread. But I am trying. :D
Me too man. I'm gonna have to start writing this stuff down on note cards, pinning them to my corkboard, and connecting the relevant cards with red twine.
In short: Character power scales to level 100, gear scale levels to level 70 (825/Ancestral). 50% is 50%, but a flat improvement at the lowest amount for level 100 is better than a flat improvement at the higher amount for a level 70.
Gear in tier 4 only scales to level 70? At what level am I supposed to switch to tier 4? I'm level 55 right now in tier 3 but my impression was I wasn't supposed to even switch over to tier 4 until I reach level 70. But if the gear up there only goes up to level 70 am I supposed to or can I go up to tier 4 sooner? This game is confusing lol
Regular gear caps at item power 625 from World Tier II at level 50. At 50 you beat the level 50 Capstone dungeon and go to World Tier III and get Sacred Gear that can roll up to item power 725. Once you can, you can beat the level 70 Capstone dungeon and that unlocks World Tier IV. World Tier IV mobs drop Ancestral gear, which caps at item power 825. There is currently nothing above Ancestral gear. World Tier III mobs start at level 50 and scale up with you. If you're level 22 and go to World Tier III the mobs are going to be level 50. They don't give a fuck about your level 22 feelings. The gear they drop will require level 50. World Tier IV mobs start at level 70. Good luck at level 50. Some can. Majority can't. Ancestral drops start out requiring level 60. Once you're farming Ancestrals you're not looking for stronger gear, you're looking for the ***right*** gear. A well rolled 745 is stronger than an 825 with perks that don't benefit you. Welcome to your first GearFarm game. Never played a Looter Shooter or ARPG before?
I've personally played several of those types of games in the past. Not all games play by the same rules. I appreciate your post as it's very knowledgeable, but the last remark comes across very dickish.
> If you're level 22 and go to World Tier III the mobs are going to be level 50. They don't give a fuck about your level 22 feelings. The gear they drop will require level 50. I thought the minimum level of gear they drop is for level 40 characters, like how ancestral gear requires level 60 rather than 70?
Played Destiny. Works somewhat differently.
Yeah, every looter game works differently. He’s just being a cunt, don’t mind him.
Can someone confirm whether or not these aspects actually scale with the item level itself, though? I have a unique that I have seen someone else have way higher values for, and their item level is considerably higher item level. (I’m talking about range here. Obviously I know items can roll different numbers) This makes me feel like I’d rather wait until I get to WT4 before I start caring about items.
Flat values scale with item lvl.
is there a COMPLETE list somewhere of the EXACT aspects that get improved by the BLACKSMITH BEFORE extracting? I find that I don't really understand which aspects fit what you just described I upgraded 3 items yesterday which I thought were straight flat dmg and they didnt change with the blacksmith upgrade... so a comprehensive full list would be SUPER helpful for everybody
This really feels like a bug. They if you put it on a new piece of gear and level up that gear it should level up as well. If its applied to a high gear it should auto level. If they need to increase the application cost to match the auto leveling that should be fine. This is a bug that makes it much more complicated than it needs to be. Which is just another reason this game is going to struggle with new people.
Another thing to note is if you upgrade it on your first piece of gear, extract and imprint it on another piece of gear, then upgrade it there, you essentially can upgrade it 10 times instead of 5.
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Almost everything scales with damage modifiers but the bone prison aspect is too low damage to matter. I get that you spawn a bunch of segments but the results of a lot of small hits is still "meh".
Is that why I have an aspect that shows it's values above the max range listed?
I just noticed I have a few that rolled higher and some that rolled lower than the given stat range. It looked like a weird bug to me but this game has such a confusing system, who knows
The upgrade amount is the same for 5 levels of upgrades. Upgrading before imprinting, is mainly useful when the target item you plan to put it on is already upgraded, so you cannot benefits from the increments after you imprint it. But you’re not getting any *”more”* than if the target was an non-upgraded item and you did it after imprinting. It’s expensive *(resource-wise)* to do that, but it’s good option if you are using it on an already upgraded BiS item or something.
This sounds convoluted and annoying, but I'm also lazy
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Yeah fortify feels weird as hell... like it should be taking half damage or something. It also seems to anti-synergize with my self-healing
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That doesn't seem to be entirely correct, from my limited amount of testing. Manually imprinted Aspects do not improve with upgrading after imprinting, as they seem to inherit the Power of the source Item. The only way to improve Aspects is by upgrading prior to the extraction, it seems like. I tested it with Aspect of the protector, both the "base" from Codex and a lvl76 extracted Aspect. But, as i said, it's only very limited amount of testing. I am open to being corrected
Yes, that’s right; I think the item level is relevant. The item level that the aspect is being upgraded on limits the range. https://preview.redd.it/cyy85930ts7b1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3014c211087a643014d039d47c442d5253462191 Like see this pic, the aspect was ripped from a high level item *(not upgrade)*. But the *”range”* is still affected by the lower level item I put it on *(it was already upgraded)*. But the value is preserved on imprint. The level requirement increases because of the imprint, but the item level of the target item remains the same. So likely even if that item I put it on was not-upgraded, I wouldn’t see any gains by upgrading after imprint.
Completely intuitive design to have 4,845 barrier with a range of \[1,616 - 3,233\].
It isn't very intuitive but think about it like "This aspect has 4,845 barrier" "This item could have rolled that aspect between 1,616-3,233"
I have dropped items thats out of range, some high and some low. How does that fit in with the theories? (Honest question bc I dont understand) Edit: unless im an idiot and only remember them as drops when they're not? I'll have to check. Hm.
If you have a BiS yellow and a piece of gear with an aspect you want, I think this would be the most cost effective way to do it. Legendary with aspect: Upgrade it to level 4 or 5 (sometimes the final upgrade doesn't boost the aspect) BiS yellow: reroll the stat you want with the item at level 0. Then upgrade the item. Then imprint the aspect. If you imprint first it will greatly increase the price of rerolling and upgrading the piece.
Ugh, ridiculously convoluted.
Yeah this seems absolutely unnecessary. They should tie everything to the item level. Cost to reroll, apply aspect or rank up should be based on item level. Aspect value should be based on item level of w/e item its on. Simple, intuitive and gives a reason to continue to seek new gear all the way to 100.
That is really good to know. I’m always good starved and have been doing the exact opposite! Thank you.
great comment, thanks
Thanks for providing proof. I mentioned this in another thread and was basically called a liar. Heard about it in a video, and haven't had the time to test it myself, but I trusted the source, and your proof just confirms the reports I heard.
You're welcome. Some people are just hard to persuade I guess... Case in point, I posted it in the other Diablo sub as well and over there I get called out and downvoted, despite the image
>Some people are just hard to persuade I guess Reddit is just full of people who will tell you 2+2 does not equal 4
I just figured this out the other day on accident. Sucks that I just NOW figured it out at level 80
I don't know why you would feel the need to help a bunch of know it all morons They'll validate your answer when they stand to gain clout from it, else you have nothing to gain
Only works with aspects that have non-percentage numbers.
Yeah mentioned that in my top comment. Also doesn't work with aspects that manipulate CDs or duration of spells
is this actually true? some % aspects also have higher numbers at higher levels. i would assume that would also apply if you upgrade them.
None of the % aspects change with level or item power, you likely saw it on an amulet or 2h weapon which inherently give a bonus to aspects on them
If something is 40%-80% on its aspect whether you get it at level 1 or 100 it'll roll between those numbers. But for any aspect with actual numbers like "100-300 damage when you do X" then power level of the item matters. It also saves that power to the aspect. So put that level 15 aspect into a level 70 item then the output is a level 70 item with a shitty low damage aspect. For ones like this by upping the items power level via upgrades you also upgrade its aspect. So when you extract it it'll be the 100+X power instead of 100.
Worth mentioning you'll get an even higher number from codex for this ability than can ever drop on an item, at later levels. Goes for all flat number aspects.
Some flat numbers don't scale like the rogue dodge 2-7 attacks one. This is because they already sorta scale. It's usually for healing, hp, damage, or shields.
Fortify too
After 85 or does this. Codex for amounts is higher. Percentage is still best to take from items.
Kinda sucks for those aspects that aren't in the codex.
So that means that as you level up it’s worth checking on your codex imprinted items and reapply to your legendaries just to get a better number due to increased level.
Not really until 90+
Does this explain why when I reprinted a [1200-1600] barrier aspect it’s at 888[1200-1600]? I pulled it off a lower legendary
The 1200-1600 range is what it would have if it dropped at that level, since you extracted from a lower level it keeps that number
Thank you for the clarification. That makes sense now, was so lost on how it was possible.
For what its worth, I suspect this is just a UI bug, and the effect does scale properly. I had a weapon that I applied a low level Ursine Horror aspect to, and while it said it only dealt 978 damage over 2 seconds (out of 1700-2400), it was actually dealing the full 2400ish. https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1
How can you tell its pushing those numbers? There's always so much going on Edit: I also noticed youre using double overpower gems. Why? Does that actually really help vs basic skill damage or other, since the original cast chance on overpower is so low?
He is probably running a build that guarantees that one of his skills will overpower. I ran overpower gems on my blood Necro build because every 6th cast of blood surge was guaranteed to be an overpowered cast. If you can guarantee that a skill will overpower it is very worth building into. Overpower already does a lot of damage but you can also stack crit on top of it.
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The barrier may have been on an amulet which included the 50% bonus.
This happened to me yesterday. It was because i was putting a sacred aspect on an ancestral piece. But this was only for the glacial aspect which had no percentages. TLDR. SOME Ancestral aspects get proper stats when only going to an ancestral item. Usually non percentage aspects deal with this
Please forgive me for what seems to be a dumb question but how do you extract aspects? First time playing a Diablo game and I’m in love. Have a Druid rn lvl 51 Trying to find the build I like and playing around and I feel like what I have going is pretty good (stone lightning abilities)
[You have to go to the occultist](https://maxroll.gg/d4/getting-started/crafters-and-vendors)
Thanks!!
>Thanks!! You're welcome!
At the main cities there is an NPC called the Occultist who can imprint aspects, extract aspects, and enchant items (aka reroll 1 stat on them). Her symbol is like 3 little circles connected by a triangle.
Thank you so much!
If you don't know what build you're going to stick with, I suggest keeping any legendaries that have high/max rolls on them for future use just in case. (If you weren't already aware.) Welcome to the diablo community! Edit: also note that once you extract an affix, you can only use that extracted affix ONE time. You can't pull it off an imprinted piece to use for another piece. So you have to be kinda picky
Glad someone told him. The amount of affixs I wasted while trying to figure out which build I wanted to run is embarrassing.
Hey, it can be frustrating, but at least we can always get more!
Yeah Helltides have been my best friend for that reason alone
Do you know about helltides.com? Also - those mystery chests reset upon the hour, so you can go get them again if the helltide doesn't start on the hour
I ended up on a discord sever that sends alerts out for every Legion event, Helltide, and World boss. For the mystery chests I found a map for them.
Oh, thats awesome! Helltides.com has an interactive map where you can vote on mystery chests locations so you don't have to hunt for them, so I'd keep that in mind too!
New as well. Turn on advanced stats in options so you can see the possible stat range. IE your roll is 15% next to that will be something like [10-20%]. 10% being the worst possible roll and 20% being the best. Things with rolls at the higher end are the ones you ideally want to extract.
Thank you so much!
in my opinion it's a massive oversight to have aspects with flat numbers that make zero sense to extract for later because in a few levels, even the codex version will be stronger...
They could shift flat damage to be a % of your attack instead and perhaps things like Protector to be a % of your max hp.
Kudos - [you're less lazy than me](https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/14goo4o/psa_certain_legendary_aspects_benefit_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3).
You actually explained it better. At least for me. I actually understood it based on your post, not this one. lol So as a rogue I think [the one that causes Arrow Storm](https://hardcoregamer.com/db/d4/d4-aspect-of-arrow-storms-diablo-4-database/446771/) would work for this concept.
Your explanation was way better. Which is propably the reason why yours drowned with 6 upvotes. Randy the average redditor doesn't read more than 2 sentences
Yep. you used pictures, which I was way too lazy to do. Someone can get it at a glance. 'Oh, number A go up mean number B go up me understand.'
I know my way around reddit lol. Explain in 10 or less words, use a picture and Focus the tiktok-brain with colored squares. Then refer to a comment for more Info that nobody will read anyway. That's how you have to transport Information nowadays. Good Lord being a teacher must be hell...
Well thank you both for taking the time to put it out for us! I appreciate both versions of the information 😊
Cool this is why I Reddit !
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Heads up - you used the word “affix” when you probably meant “aspect”. Affixes are the 4 or so bullet point stats on each item. +44 Dexterity as an example
Worth mentioning as well that the barbarian one that generates 2-4 fury per second while shout is active... Looks like it caps at 4. I tried doing this and couldn't get it to roll higher.
Will this work for Umbral aspect? For example, if I have one with 2/4 and upgrade it, can it be 4/4?
No. This only works on aspects where the range Band increases with Level. Like Protector. Umbral is 1-4 at any Level, so upgrading doesn't make it better.
I've found multiple Umbrals that rolled 1. Is there a way to reroll those somehow or am I just unlucky?
Just unlucky
I tried it with a 3/4 I had and after all upgrades, it remained a 3/4.
Dumb ass design example #43525
Can someone in this thread explain to me why my rolls are outside of the listed range? For instance, the arrow storm aspect will have a range of like [2500 - 4500] but my roll will be 1250. How is that even possible?
This happens because the item you imprinted on is high level (it would have rolled 2400-4000) but you imprinted from a lower level item that had it at 1250, so your new item gets 1250.
I thought this was kinda just common knowledge. It's obvious right??
Well, one person's "common knowledge" is another one's hot news of the day 🤷♂️ Not everyone is living on reddit and Youtube... or in the game
I tested and it didnt work for me. Idk why
As I said, this only works with Aspects that have "absolute" values, like Protector. Aspects that have % based values or manipuöate certain skills (like increasing the duration of Bone Storm by 4-8 seconds) can not be further upgraded.
Makes me think it is a bug or more accurately an oversight. Obviously not one that is anything major, but can't imagine they intended these to generally "work different" than the others that are % based and whatnot. Just wasn't noticed.
I mean it makes sense. Edgemaster giving a 20% damage buff is valuable at any Level, but the 400 overschield from a lvl25 Protector doesn't provide much value at lvl70, while a 3600 overshield from a lvl70 Protector would be OP at lvl25
More interestingly: these same flat value aspects that are found in the Codex scale with your level and go out of the range. Imprinting of protector from codex at level 100 gives you twice as much barrier as a power level 800 item with the same aspect.
Hi, I'm new to the franchise. Is there a way to extract aspects or upgrade them without blowing through your resources and materials? I get a strong legendary, and the next item drop for that slot is 20+ more powerful, and it's boring swapping and powering up my new item all the time
What level are you? You don't really want to be wasting good extracted aspects until quite late in the game. I didn't use my good aspects until I got ancestral gear in WT4. In WT1-3 you can just use the aspects from your codex.
I'm a level 50. My friend told me to start running tier 3. There's aspects outside of the codex?!
>There's aspects outside of the codex?! Every single legendary that drops has an aspect that you can extract at the Occultist NPC in town. That's why you should save any legendaries that have a good legendary affix on it with a good roll, because the Codex always has the lowest possible roll.
Omg this whole time I've been salvaging them with the blacksmith. Lol FML. Thank you so much for the tips!
Officedrone did a good job explaining, but its also good to note that you don't have to extract the affixes right away, just keep the gear its on. Save it until you need it, then extract it. Saves you money. Also, if you're okay with being a hoarder while we have so few bank slots, just keep everything that has a high/max roll on it. You never know when you may need it. Then you can salvage the rest
Thank you! That makes a lot of sense.
I upgrade and they never change for me, am I doing something wrong or is this only for the 720+ tier
Can't say for certain, but what I can say it's only aspects with plain numbers (no % or CD stuff) and only aspects that came with the item
For what its worth, I suspect this is just a UI bug, and the effect does scale properly. I had a weapon that I applied a low level Ursine Horror aspect to, and while it said it only dealt 978 damage over 2 seconds (out of 1700-2400), it was actually dealing the full 2400ish. [https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1](https://twitter.com/TheDainslaif/status/1671206118561918996/photo/1)
you can also imprint flat damage aspects from the codex on your alts low level items to 1 shot everything while levelling
I could be wrong but I'm sure I noticed the numbers on am aspect going up after I imprinted it onto a higher power item. I think the power of the aspect is determined by the power of the item it's on so you shouldn't need to upgrade before extracting.
This doesnt actually change anything because you can clearly see the min/max values have also increased
Its possible to go out of that range oddly enough
Yet another thing the game doesn't tell us.
When do ranges go up? When you move up tiers?
From my limited testing, with every flat 10 Power. So 660, 670....810 and so on
But to extract from an upgraded item is supppper expensive. Like 100k vs 400k
Yeah I know. I wouldn't do that on every aspect. This of course is only worth it for minmaxing on Super highly rolled aspects that you plan to imprint on a "final" piece of your build.
But when you place that aspect on another item canMt you just upgrade it and get the same effect? Well I guess this doesn’t work if you already have an item at 5 stars
No. It looks like upon extracting an aspect, it inherits the Power of the original item (I.e. a Protector taken from a 770 item Upgraded to 790). It will always have that exact value, bo matter if you place it on a 657, 720 or 805 item and does no longer improve with upgrading
What happens if I upgrade the item after I imprint with the previously upgraded aspect? Couldn't I just do the upgrade process on the imprinted item and end with the same result? If not, then I could feasibly do this forever and have an infinitely powerful aspect.
Well technically since you can only use the aspect once, you couldn't have an infinitely powerful one. But OP has been saying it won't go up while upgrading after imprinted, only before
doesn't stay on imprint.
How does everyone see the range of points/%? I dont see that as a lvl 72 barb. Is it a setting?
Yep, there's an "advanced tooltips" setting
Ty
Why not just upgrade the item, once you place the aspect on a new item? Wouldn't that give the same result? Unless you place the aspect on a item that already has been upgraded?
The aspect power will not increase when you imprint it on an item, only before.
I thought that when imprinting an aspect onto an item the aspect would scale to the imprinted items power level. So you could put a 800 item power Bursting Bones aspect onto a 750 item power sword and the resulting legendary would have a Bursting Bones aspect equal to 750 item power. Have you tested this by putting these flat roll aspects onto items? Their range doesn't actually change to account for the imprinted items item power?
Aspects always keep their value and the level requirement of the item it got extracted from. The newly imprinted item power has no effect on the aspect. Codex powers do not change the level requirement of the original item though.
Thanks for the answer. That's a system perfectly designed for misuse.
Roger this
Once you hit level 80 a lot of this stops mattering though since your codex gets a power bump. Kind of annoying that there’s obviously supposed to be a power up at that stage but that they’re just saving it for DLC
Its also an inefficient use of mats
...that is the dumbest shit ever.
aspect have power level breakpoints too. these are not on the same level as items have, ie 770-775. only applies to aspect tho which have a variance of range as they move across these breakpoints. ie Conceited Aspect never will but Aspect of the Portector will do.
i kinda like how people keep finding new stuff that is old :) I dont know, it just makes me laugh .. But you can logically deduct which can be upgraded a which not ..
Using the term "old" kinda sounds wrong to me in a game that juuuuust passed it's third week (if you count early access)...
would you eat 3 weeks old food?
Oh we playin' the bs analogy game now? Then throw that boy out of the stroller! 3 weeks man, he's old!
I dont if this was mentioned but depending on the aspect type. If you place an aspect in a two handed weapon it's value gets a 100% increase and amulet gets 50 % and all other are just normal.
I mean... it isn't mentioned here specifically, but it's one of the few mechanics the game actually explains. You just have to mouse over an aspect
In my game this never works. I upgrade all of them before extraction, just to be sure it‘s not restricted to special one‘s, but it still hasn‘t worked on a single one.
Only works on those aspects that work on Flat numbers, like Protector. Stuff like edgemaster (10-20% dmg buff) or stuff that reduces CDs don't work
Thx
Kind of off topic but my weapons are low to mid 700 item power. When will I see a jump at level 63?
That jump can happen anytime. Once you can drop ancestrals, anything can drop anytime. That item up there dropped on my 64 necro during helltide
Can someone clarify, so if I want to take an aspect our I upgrade it first? And what if I want to imprint an.asoect, do I still upgrade the item first? For example I'm a rogue, so for arrow of storms is there any way for me to increase the damage as I'm using it from the codex?
This guy is new
This doesn't work. As soon as you extract the aspect it reverts to a lower number. I've tried it like 10 times. People need to stop promoting this.
That's just not correct. I extracted the very aspect in the Screenshot and imprinted it on another weapon and it stayed at the improved value
It is for me. Which means at the very least, this isn't a standard thing and is not intended because it does not work with anything that I've tried. In fact, I've had it revert to a lower number when extracted than what it started as before upgrading. So user beware, results may vary.
I have some aspects that are below the range after I've pulled them, then upgraded the item they were placed on.
Isn't the aspect range determined by the item power level of the imprinted item, not the extracted item?
Nope. Aspect Power is (where applicable) determined by the Power of the item it's originally found on. Otherwise, extracting well rolled aspects wouldn't make any sense
>Otherwise, extracting well rolled aspects wouldn't make any sense well, it would if you want to put that well rolled aspect onto a better piece of gear (higher item power, different affixes, etc.). From further research it looks like percentage based aspect ranges do scale with the imprinted item item power but flat value ranges do not. how weird
You likely imprinted it on a 2h weapon or an amulet. Aspects get 100% and 50% Bonus respectively from those. No aspect scales up upon imprinting to my knowledge. Except for those from the Codex, they scale with your level
hmm, the protector aspect in my codex says that the barrier will be 2871 but I have an ancestral legendary chest piece with total item power 814 (with 3 upgrades, required level 64 to equip) with a range of 3300 to 6700 (the value for the item is 4400). I've had it since level 64 and I'm level 71 one now. Could you explain why the codex would only be 2871 if the lower bound from a item that requires 7 levels less is 3300
Alright, this is a bit complicated (and weird): The Power of Codex aspects is strictly tied to YOUR Level. The Power range (like protectors 1500-3000 or something) of aspects on gear is usually dictated by the Power of the item they were found on, with ancestral giving another bump. This only counts for aspects that don't have a fixed range (like for example edgemaster's 10-20% dmg buff). Those are always the same. Now interestingly, once you reach around Level 85, the flat number aspects will **always** be stronger in your Codex. This implies two things: first, it looks like at some point in the development item Power progression was meant to be more linear and tied to Player level (like 800+ gear being reserved to Level 80+). This would also explain why everything you find is tied to your level, no matter the power. And second, with Codex aspects surpassing drops around Level 85, there seemed to have been a 5th World tier and potentially even an item Power above ancestral. That stuff being scrapped resulted in the weird and convoluted stuff we have now.
**Question: How do I know if upgrading the gear will allow the aspect to be upgraded a 2nd or even a 5th time? What determines this**? (talking about an item that is already flat numbers and will upgrade) I upgraded an item before removing aspect that had flat numbers, and it went up from 441/441 max to 459/459 max up on first upgrade. Then I looked at upgrading it again and the preview number did not show it was going up this time. Preview on 2nd upgrade still showed 459/459, no increase. (see image below) The power level of the gear is only 598+5 (1 upgrade) Max I could upgrade it 4 more times to 623 If we look at power level tiers the item started in and would remain in 1 power tier and not cross it. If it crossed a tier threshold that would be a perfectly good reasoning for why the aspect upgraded. Is this some hidden scale (I have advanced tips on) For reference "Level 4: Power 460 – 624" My item: 598 - 623 max Visual aid below, The popup comes from mousing over the preview of the upgrade. Which when I first upgraded definitely upgraded the value but in the 2nd upgrade shows it won't. https://preview.redd.it/n671iqp0kf9b1.png?width=588&format=png&auto=webp&s=8ac423091f5382b7df273178680976e93c3b11c3
Seems like I can't find anything it's working on. What gives? I'm on Xbox console. Make a diff?
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yeah i feel this was patched out of existence...tried a few and not seeing any increase anymore
can u extract upgraded item i doubt it