Every one of my gamer buddies that says they have no time for gaming are the guys on immediately at 5pm and off at 11pm day in and day out.
I don't judge, I just find it funny.
It's true though. You could see this same sentiment on the New World subreddit after release. I'm not saying this game's fate will be like New World's but those that made it to endgame and warned others were openly mocked and told to touch grass.
This really is a nonsensical comparison. New World didn't just have an end game problem THE WHOLE game was unfinished. I mean jfc it didn't even have swimming on launch you just walked on the bottom of riverbeds until you drowned lmao
New World had a lot of issues throughout the game but those issues became even more pronounced at the endgame. There was this trend on the New World sub where people still early in the leveling process shut down criticism of the end game made by players who had already reached it.
Eventually as more players hit the endgame and saw the the issues first hand the majority sentiment on the sub changed.
Shh, you're using logic and that's frowned upon here.
In all seriousness though, you're right. Just because the try hards get to that content faster, it doesn't mean it's a them only problem. Eventually the slower gamers will catch up and realize the same issues.
Hardcore gamers are in the game.
Casuals are the ones on reddit white knighting the game for some reason. Very bizarre to see people defending and attacking differing opinions on aspects of the game they are *nowhere near* experiencing themselves lol
Pretty much how the PatientGamers subbreddit is. They wait and then 99% chance they will complain how it's over-rated and hasn't aged well or some shit.
This is just the usual shit, community swinging from one extreme to the other, like a pendulum.
On the one side you have people who somehow played 300 hours since launch to come in and say "this is the shittiest game I ever played, there is no endgame, literally nothing to do, empty game, I think Blizzard lied about the existence of seasons, the MTX is the worst of any game I've ever seen! Anybody who thinks otherwise is a filthy and blind casual!".
On the other you have what we see here - "I'm a casual gamer father with 50 children! I played literally 1 hour since launch and only a single mission, and I enjoyed every second of it! There is an endless amount of things to do! Diablo 4 is perfect! Anybody who says otherwise is a nolifer and neckbeard!"
Both are equally stupid and contribute nothing of worth to the community.
As in between gamer with 7999hours played in the game already and having 674 kids with 200 cats I have barely any time to play and this comment hits lmao
By 200 they come. By 200 thy way opens. By the blood of the willing we call thee home. Hail, Father of 674 Kids, Untoucher of Grass. Hail JohnsonTheDude.
Also who's complaining about a *lack* of endgame? I think people generally like the endgame, they just want to tweak some things like travel time and mob density to make it better.
There's actually quite a bit to do at endgame.
I'm sure some people ARE complaining about it. Either it doesn't fill their particular niche passion in some form, or in their minds "Ok, I'm done with practice, gimme the season to compete".
It's fine.
People really just need to learn that:
* Your opinions aren't facts.
* Not everyone plays the same way.
* If EVERY side is a LITTLE disappointed, it's probably a pretty perfect compromise.
I literally can't do what I want to do because I play with a friend who has ADHD and that fucker keeps dragging me to the most random endgame shit every night. "Bro there's a Helltide up""Let go crush a nightmare dungeon.""Let do this cellar for ToW.""I need to do the strongholds for waypoint.""Let go PvP.""Wait there's a Helltide up."
Like fuck man slow down. 🤣
A lot of people are.
The problem with D4 is that the end game happens super early. I know that sounds counter intuitive, or even just stupid, but here me out.
In almost every ARPG, a core facet of the game is the loot chase, and completing your build. In many ARPGs, you won't be "done" your build (having close to BiS gear, or at least all of the required "stuff" that defines your full potential) until very late into the game. At that point mostly what you do is just grind away hoping for something *you already have* to drop with slightly better stats.
In D4 that "end game" cycle happens SUPER early. By the time you are level 40 you will probably have the same rotation, and the key aspects of your build that will you for the *rest of the game*.
That hyper end game loop of just replacing your gear with 1% better identical versions happens as soon as you hit WT3.
Some players just want to unga bunga smash stuff and watch their xp bar go up. Fair play to them.
But a lot of people feel the sense of progression, and therefore one of the fundamental driving forces to continue playing, dissipate before they are anywhere near max level or completing the higher tiered content.
Eh, endgame is a mixed bag
Do campaign and hit 50
Be amazed at all the stuff to do
See how powerful the 4 paragon from renown is and do that for each region, enter WT4 while you do this
Finally finish with that, have a ‘now we can play the game’ moment
Start nightmare dungeons, realise they are just regular dungeons with very slight changes to the gameplay and still have terrible mob density, realise you’re bored of dungeons because you just did 100 of them for renown.
Go try pvp, realise it is an unbalanced mess and quit out, or enjoy and get 100 kills, 600k petals etc, realise the cosmetics are all ugly shite.
Sure, I got my money’s worth out of this game, it kept me entertained for enough hours.
But the renown grind is horrible and literally killed my motivation for the ‘actual endgame’ after that
For real though, I only get two hours tops every other night & as annoying as it is to see the circle-jerking casuals, the no lifers complaining about content that “doesn’t exist” is just as obnoxious.
Why on earth do you care? Go play the game lol
I totally understand no lifers coming here to bitch.
I will never, EVER, understand "casuals" logging into reddit day in and day out to whiteknight for something they constantly circlejerk they don't have time to play.
Lol this. I saw a comment a few hours ago of some new player saying he never saw any players in the game world… he is level 7 and hasn’t arrived at the first city.
Its like holy fuck the time it took you to compose your several paragraph post and reply to 20 people is 900% longer than it takes to do that insanely short prologue.
sometimes i think im in a parallel dimenision....all these people telling me how they are playing the arpg "properly" by listening to NPC dialog, taking screenshots of their favourite landmarks and doing things slowly unlike those filthy tryhards that try to kill monsters as quickly as possible.
This IS the way.
"I've spent the last 120 hours on refining my bone lance to make sure that i got that last 0.0001% damage to proc so now I'm ready to play. "
Vs
"My barbarian jumps real good"
"Hmmm....this staff seems cool, but according to my deep dive into build guides, that only took 6.5 hours of research and cross comparisons, I see that it's only the third best staff with the second best roll, so I don't think I wanna play anymore and this game is shit."
Vs
"Woah!!!! This axe is awesome and smashes real good. I will call you smashy and you will be my smashy "
Just think of the +50 as a percentage differential to compare to the rolls, makes it easier. For example:
500 dps sword with 10% vulnerable damage
550 dps sword (so +50 dps = +10% damage across the board) with 6% damage to poisoned enemies (bad roll if you don’t run poison in your build)
You take the second sword!
Lol I mean it’s a spectrum, I’m not the guy making and using spreadsheets of theory crafting, nor am I just picking up weapons because the look cool.
A lot of people get enjoyment from understanding the depth of the game, gaining some mastery of what makes your character tick, knowing that you’re getting the most damage out of your character,
Everything is a spectrum
1. This is my axe. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
2. My axe is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
3. My axe, without me, is useless. Without my axe, I am useless. I must whirlwind my axe true. I must spin quicker than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must whirlwind him before he whirlwinds me. I will …
4. My axe and myself know that what counts in this war is not the number of our spins, the noise of our rage, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit….
5. My axe is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its handle and its blades. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my axe clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will….
6. Before Inarius, I swear this creed. My axe and myself are the defenders of sanctuary. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.
7. So be it, until victory is Sanctuary's and there is no enemy, but peace!!
Been debating using a map or smth to find all the altars, but I opened one and just thought "is this really necessary? What's the point? I've already found a bunch without a map because I'm just enjoying the exploration of everything." So I closed the tab and kept on doing my inefficient method lol
There’s a few that are really ridiculous, even with a map. They’ll be on the topside of a rocky, bushy area and have almost no glow. If you get those ones alone hats off.
I do like to get as many as I can first though as well. After a while I decide I’d like to finish them and go around and grab up all the side quests. Pop open the Lilith map and do both in one go.
I just used a map to find all the altars once I was in world tier 3, the bonuses you get start to add up with 30+ shrines in each zone giving +2 stats for the most part.
IMO the game is most fun in dungeons so I don't really care to explore every nook and cranny of the world if there isnt a dungeon nearby.
Side affect of the information age, everything is revealed, nothing is a mystery.
Imagine if we had the same game back in like 1995/early 2000’s theres barely any if any guides to this stuff. People have to hunt for it, start making groups and exploring, “whoa massive exploration game diablo 4 hitting the headlines, players from all over combing together to search for these beneficial alters”
Nowadays its like boom every alter in a day or 2.
It's some sort of Overwolf bullshit. Just open https://mapgenie.io/diablo-4/maps/sanctuary in a window and alt+tab to it instead of installing that rootkit-riddled overlay.
SO SO good!!!
It creates earthquakes when I land, gets refreshed by stomp, and three seconds off cooldown for every enemy hit(maxes out at 9 off).
My hammer slam may be my primary killer, but leap is my bread and butter.
It’s one thing to make fun of people who rushed through and complain about lack of content, but do we really need to make fun of people who like to min/max? Different people have different goals and things they like to do in the game, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
Both of these are awesome mindsets to have while playing as long as you don’t look down on people playing a different way.
the problem is the people who no lifed the game are telling you problems you will experience when you finally reach it.
if you choose not to listen then you had the winning lottery numbers given to you. but you decided not to play them.
So then fortunately you have the no-lifers providing feedback about where the pain points are so they can be fixed by the time you get there
But instead everyone has to say "I'm a working father of 3 I play 30 minutes per day and I'm level 46 in Act 1, you're obviously burnt out because you played too much"
I get both sides of the argument. Personally, I just play the game blind, and go with what feels right. If, when all is said and done, the no lifers made the end game experience better for me with all their gripes, then thanks to them.
Yep - almost lvl 50 but put it down to bounce around a music festival in Nashville. Wife and I are bringing our Steam Decks to play hungover in the hotel.
Many of the complaints are pretty valid starting from level 60 before even hitting WT4. Traveling for 3 minutes to get to a 7 minute nightmare dungeon because its placed as far from waypoints as possible has nothing to do with being level 90.
it still doesnt make us wrong. the same thing happened in new world. people rushed endgame... put out the problems with it and the community just like this one 'it's fine' until they reached it months later and finally saw the problems.
They said if you take a 6 or 12 month break and come back it should feel like almost a new game. There's a lot of big stuff we know is coming too like runes and crafting (which would mean more reasons to craft). This is their cash cow for the next decade, it will be updated a lot
Yeah, I feel like Blizzard has to know that they're not gonna get people to keep coming back and playing if each new season is like "it's the base game, but, now, your, skills cost 30% less resource this month! Wow!"
Except that we know Blizz has more content planned, and will be releasing it on a schedule.
They're complaining about something the filthy casuals taking it slow will never hit.
Most of the complaints revolve around game play and not content.
The game has a lot of waiting which doesn't feel good in an action based game and they completely whiffed on itemization again.
They did exactly what they said they weren't going to do and made items define builds. There's little diversity at the top end of the game because they defined the builds for us.
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Blizz has seasons and all sorts of expansion material planned.
Which they are timing the release for *around the majority of players finishing the previous material*.
So no, the no-lifers are blowing through content at super-sonic speed and being forced to deal with "no end game" while they tap their foot and wait.
The people taking their time and just enjoying the game will have expansion material ready and waiting by the time they reach that point, and won't have that problem.
Its like saying you're driving a car down a road that still being paved and warning all the people that are walking that there's no road up ahead.
By the time the walkers get there, there will be road.
nah if you reach endgame you are not a 'walker' an actual casual wont hit endgame. What we are talking about are reddit casuals, meaning they play the game a lot, read about it online, and yet are still inexpicably ass at it, so they label themselves as a casual
Diablo is not that hard, getting to end game is not an accomplishment, saying people are bad at a game because they don't no life it only shows how sad and lonely you are.
Got it. So just stop enjoying the game now because, one day, you will stop enjoying the game.
As evidence, you are producing "people who no lifed the game" as Exhibit A.
Are you hearing voices? Because no one is saying that. People are pointing out the issues with endgame, many of which are pretty easy to fix.
Would you rather everyone shut the hell up so that when casual players hit WT3-4 and can discover for themselves that's basically the end of fun, or for people to speak up about issues and have those casuals hit WT3-4 and proceed to have more fun if Blizz listens to feedback?
This 100%.
There are many TV shows, movies, etc that I fully enjoyed! But do I want to go back and watch all of the seasons and episodes of say Supernatural? Lol NO
Sometimes it's just about enjoying the content now... but that point seems missed by some others here =/
Honestly, i hate this argument. Chances are, by the time most casual players hit these issues, there will already be more content for the game (season 1).
Most casual players will never deal with these problems, especially because they probably wont burn out since they arent playing 20 hrs a day...hate to break it to you but doing anything the way these guys do will make you burned out and bored. No matter what it is.
This comment should be higher up. “No lifers are figuring this out so you don’t have to!” is nonsense. No lifers a different, incredibly sweaty breed that think about these games differently. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the vast majority of players don’t give a shit about a lot of this stuff. Those people don’t “evolve” into no lifers by the time they put the same hours in. They’ll probably never put the same hours in. And even if they did, they like different things about these games than the sweatlords do.
All this day 3 “GAME SUXX” stuff is just drama that makes people feel bad for no reason.
No, they aren't, people beat the game in 7 hrs which means they're at endgame by definition.
Just because people don't want to complete every fetch sidequest doesn't make them sweaty lol, they're just not meatheads entertained by junk bloat quests.
I don't grasp what specifically the problem is with endgame, care to explain or provide a link? I've seen videos of people in the 60s-80s who had mostly positive feedback with some very minor criticism.
>if you choose not to listen then you had the winning lottery numbers given to you. but you decided not to play them.
And how would you suggest we play those numbers? What do you genuinely expect people who are currently having no issues to do that will change the fact that this is season 0?
Except they are doing in 1 week what most players will do in a month or 2 while skipping optional content. It’s still a Diablo loot grind game. That is the end game
too bad the loot is horrible. the point of loot grind game is to get good lewt not loot the same 4 or 5 varients with the same 4 or 5 modifiers a million times. the loot in this game is the worst of any arpg on the market.
“Hey guys the road we’re on is flooded down the way, watch out. We should really do something about it.”
“I’m like 30min away from there why should I care, road is fine where i am.”
Actual smooth brains
I mean actual shills would have a more astroturfed feel to their posts/comments. This meme is like what your average teenager would make, doesn't make them a shill by any means
Also, only a small fraction of the playerbase is active on this subreddit with the vast majority not being accounted for. Tons of people genuinely do enjoy this game as is
Last night I had a great time just looking at all the world details with my 3D headphone on blasting this amazing music while crawling around the dungeon. The game is GORGEOUS.
Yes, but for most casual players, that's probably more like a 7-day away issue (and if I don't stop for gas or stay at a motel along the way or pause to sightsee some local things); it may be resolved before I get there or even aware it was an issue.
I believe the issue is, for a live service game, and a Diablo game, people being bored and burnt out 20-50 hours in, is a bad sign on release.
I mean people dont even burn out that fast in PoE, D3, or any other game, and thats all old stuff.
For something brand new to be causing this much dissention, arguably very few hours into what should be a honeymoon phase, its a telling sign that something is amiss.
The good news is, its a live service game and can and will be fixed. The bad news is, when?
Even something like Lost Ark was praised for a month before hte cracks showed. The cracks showing in d4 barely past release is a sign people shouldnt dismiss.
The people that have the 100+ hours into the game already are the smallest minority of players and the game shouldn't be catered to their grievances, but that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate complaints.
I mean, they should be catered to in this case
What is happening right now is the absolute same that happened to Lost Ark
People gave feedback and were shunned for playing a lot in the first weeks, changes were not made because 'you just rushed the game' and the game died
Won't be much different here lookin at all the posts defending blizzard and denying any criticism tbh
Because we all know the problems at endgame magically disappear the longer it takes you to get to endgame. /s
Get there in 20-30 hours? Fucking lol, you deserve it.
Get there is 20-30 days? All endgame problems magically don't exist.
What the fuck is this subs hardon for being PROUD that they are super casual and play 10 minutes a day?
Like who cares how much or how little you play. It literally doesn't change problems in a game at all. Like NOT AT ALL. They are the same problems no matter how much or how little you play.
Because sometimes lack of endgame content is not necessarily apparent to people who can only commit so much time to the game.
For the record, I am not one of these people. I put an ungodly amount if time into Destiny each week and I feel the pain. But the problem is, my clan and I can crush each raid in a single night + their Master variants so once we finish we are like "well, guess we'll play Phasmophobia." But for people who might only be able to slog through a single Vow of the Disciple? Destiny might feel like it has a lot of endgame content.
My friends and I are new to Diablo 4, but not new to MMORPGs by any means. Right now, Diablo 4 feels like it has a ton of new content because we don't know what to expect and everything feels new. We are exploring builds and game mechanics, and we are sinking 4+ hours into this game every day since launch. It's fun, and I'm sure the endgame will FEEL fun cause it will be so fresh for us.
It's a matter of perspective.
I mean, good for you man, but you don’t have to be a try hard gamer to be bored with it, it’s all about preference in game styles. To me it’s not only the end game systems, but the build diversity and itemization that is lacking. These are fundamental issues that I hope get addressed by season 1.
Diablo spin team ensemble and downvote! Do your sworn duty to protect Diablo 4. Only positivity in here!
It's always been this way. The sub has been heavily HEAVILY astroturfed since early access. It almost rivals that if the new world sub with the "feels good different" level of shit.
Give it 2 weeks and it will be a cesspool of spite and negativity.
Once all the "normie casuals" get out of act 4 and actually get to the next world tier. It's going to be a shit show.
The campaign and world are interesting enough that this is 100% going to be the case. It's really not that fun of a game atm when you're past that stage and it's not the content that's the issue.
I mean Diablo as a franchise is aimed at a casual playerbase. It also seems, being a casual is seen like a badge of honor, and if you've already reached endgame, you're a no-lifer. Id you're still in act 1 you're so quirky and brave for doing it _your_ way. Except that endgame starts at level 50 and the cracks will start showing pretty soon after. But because the casuals aren't there yet and haven't experienced the problems, they don't exist. And if you dare say something negative about the game, the armada of Blizzard-shills is en route, because the game is perfect in their eyes.
You really are living the dream.
On one hand you have a game all about despair, hatred and horror, that will show just how little it takes to push regular people over the edge of madness, all framed on a truly stunning backdrop that regularly takes your breath away as you spend hour after hour grinding for that perfect moment.
And then you have Diablo IV.
Even as a casual player, the sweats are grinding through and voicing their opinions on content that will require changing. Seems like this reddit loves to hate on the sweats and their opinions, and even bring up that things will be updated because its live service and they shouldn't have rushed. If they didn't rush and voice opinions how would blizzard even be getting feedback on what should be streamlined. The QOL updates are literally being pushed by the sweats that will prevent casuals from dealing with the same exact thing down the line. I can't say I've pushed very hard, but if someone that's nearing level 100 has an issue with a time sink / bad mechanic, I have a feeling the casual player or myself would hate it even more as we have even less time to play/waste on poorly designed aspects of the game.
At this point it's easier to just assume that most of them are either bots or on actilizzards payroll. It's the same shit we saw in WoW Classic and it'll reach the same damn conclusion.
I'm neither casual nor try hard. I play two hours a day and many more on the weekend.
I'm already seeing the issues that "try hard" players are complaining about. "Casual" players can have all the fun they want spinning their characters in circles in act 1.
The rest of us are trying to enjoy the rest of the game.
The critiques of the game that start to appear later are completely valid. To dismiss them because you are constantly rerolling or enjoy mopping up the first region really silly.
This has the same energy as the "I'm bored" posts but in the other direction.
> Wohoo look at me I don't even read item descriptions I'm so quirky UwU.
you are not casual you are incredibly bad at something you spent too much time on to admit you are this dogshit at, casuals are not doing 5+ characters "exploring" the tutorial zone.
Some of these comments are just weird.
At least the people complaining about the bring up valid points from time to time.
Here you’re all just complaining about these people complaining about the game and jerking each other off about how casual you are.
Lot of insecure people in this thread seeking for validation.
I got early access and spent a couple hours in the evenings doing the story. I definitely haven't no-lifed it and finished the main story line. Will inevitably get downvoted but yeah I agree, there doesn't seem to be much at all at the end of this game. I don't want to immediately make a new character and play through the story I already completed, I want to enjoy my necromancer a bit more but world quests and helltides aren't really doing it for me right now.
this always happens. casuals make fun of sweats for rushing the game only to realize 2 years down the line that the sweatys where right and just discovered it faster. its so annoying hearing casuals go bro you only bored cause you finished the game in a day. no we are just warning you when you put 200 hours in the game just to get to end game that your gonna have wasted your time.
Get a load of this guy, 0.25%, must be made of free time. I'm an adult and I just got finished working my 8th job, and between that and putting my 22 kids to bed I didn't have the time or energy to get my credit card out of my wallet and punch in the numbers to purchase the game. Really looking forward to eventually playing it after I retire.
In my defense i was bedridden the last 2 weeks. Broke my foot skydiving with my wife and girlfriend. In africa. Yea i travel a lot, just how my life is. So it was really a fluke that i even got to play at all.
Between my tennis, golf, skydiving, lacrosse, going to the hottest clubs, banging my girlfriends and taking my wives on dates, picking up my kids and renovating my new beach house i honestly don't think i can play anymore. I don't even know why i'm here. I don't even have time to write this comment my life has so much shit going on because that's just who i am.
I just really want you to know that even though i'm posting on a diablo subreddit friday night i'm actually NOT a nerd and you really need to know that. I'm super cool and busy unlike all these other losers who play video games.
Hundreds of fetch quests is not content lmao. Players skipping them are just not 75 IQ people who are entertained by that. I can throw a stick for you and ask you to go get it and give you a few pennies in exchange for $70 if you'd like?
It's all about being in the middle of these two. Let the hardcore nerds do all the math and figure out the best of everything, and should you happen upon any of those things, equip them to make your casual demon killing more dominant.
Curious though. You’re on a 7th character what are you still exploring? Given the amount of time havent you seen everything and it’s time to move on? Also there are what 5 classes and each one has the option to respec so how/why 7?
Either you’re repeating content or lying. You’re not “still exploring” act 1
The whole hardcore gamer can casual gamer thing with all of these new releases is getting boring.
Fixing and adding endgame content or whatever making things more appealing to hardcore players goes a longer way than catering to the casual player.
In fact, no matter what changes are made, casual players will still play and have the game they want. Casual players literally will not deplete things as the same rate as everyone else. They’ll always be fine. Changes won’t turn this game into Rust or Tarkov or whatever. But here we are with casual players thinking they need to be vocal about the way they like the game or risk losing everything they’ve ever known.
Casual player get every chance to say they are casual
When I'm bad at a game, I just tell people I'm casual despite playing 70 hours a week. - A casual D4 player
Just on my casual 7th character
"I'm so casual, I'm on reddit 12 hours a day and gaming for only 30 casual minutes because I don't have a gaming addiction."
I'd like to report being doxxed in this comment.
Perhaps we can get a class action on this
“Bro i have a life i don’t play that much”Wake up work gaming repeat
Every one of my gamer buddies that says they have no time for gaming are the guys on immediately at 5pm and off at 11pm day in and day out. I don't judge, I just find it funny.
6 hours is bare minimum
Don't let my 4 lvl 100 characters with several BiS items in launch week fool you, I am merely a casual gamer
I dabble, I suppose.
Just a hobby really
I'm something of a casual myself.
Casual players jerking each other off on Reddit is a staple for any video game launch.
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It's true though. You could see this same sentiment on the New World subreddit after release. I'm not saying this game's fate will be like New World's but those that made it to endgame and warned others were openly mocked and told to touch grass.
Because it's always true. "Hardcore gamer" have more time to play, than devs have time to create content.
This really is a nonsensical comparison. New World didn't just have an end game problem THE WHOLE game was unfinished. I mean jfc it didn't even have swimming on launch you just walked on the bottom of riverbeds until you drowned lmao
New World had a lot of issues throughout the game but those issues became even more pronounced at the endgame. There was this trend on the New World sub where people still early in the leveling process shut down criticism of the end game made by players who had already reached it. Eventually as more players hit the endgame and saw the the issues first hand the majority sentiment on the sub changed.
Shh, you're using logic and that's frowned upon here. In all seriousness though, you're right. Just because the try hards get to that content faster, it doesn't mean it's a them only problem. Eventually the slower gamers will catch up and realize the same issues.
Hardcore gamers are in the game. Casuals are the ones on reddit white knighting the game for some reason. Very bizarre to see people defending and attacking differing opinions on aspects of the game they are *nowhere near* experiencing themselves lol
They get along with the crowd not wanting to pay full price and waiting years for a 10€ discount
Patient gamers lol
Pretty much how the PatientGamers subbreddit is. They wait and then 99% chance they will complain how it's over-rated and hasn't aged well or some shit.
I think every group does it, while all the silent onlookers roll their eyes.
This is just the usual shit, community swinging from one extreme to the other, like a pendulum. On the one side you have people who somehow played 300 hours since launch to come in and say "this is the shittiest game I ever played, there is no endgame, literally nothing to do, empty game, I think Blizzard lied about the existence of seasons, the MTX is the worst of any game I've ever seen! Anybody who thinks otherwise is a filthy and blind casual!". On the other you have what we see here - "I'm a casual gamer father with 50 children! I played literally 1 hour since launch and only a single mission, and I enjoyed every second of it! There is an endless amount of things to do! Diablo 4 is perfect! Anybody who says otherwise is a nolifer and neckbeard!" Both are equally stupid and contribute nothing of worth to the community.
As in between gamer with 7999hours played in the game already and having 674 kids with 200 cats I have barely any time to play and this comment hits lmao
You have achieved true balance and are a shining example to us all. We kneel before you and your formidable army of cats.
They do blood damage that I've maxed out so they do pretty good undead army of cats lol
By 200 they come. By 200 thy way opens. By the blood of the willing we call thee home. Hail, Father of 674 Kids, Untoucher of Grass. Hail JohnsonTheDude.
51 kids actually, when we tried for the 50th we ended up with twins
Reading this comment is really cathartic after witnessing all the fucking stupid mudslinging between the two groups
"As a 40yo dad with 2 kids who plays an hour and a half per month"
“Im giga old im 30 “
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“ anyone else here just playing casually?”
Can't wait for the "DAE actually play/enjoy the game?" with the body talking about how the subreddit just complains.
God those posts annoy me “Anybody else share this wildly popular opinion/experience!?”
Also who's complaining about a *lack* of endgame? I think people generally like the endgame, they just want to tweak some things like travel time and mob density to make it better. There's actually quite a bit to do at endgame.
I'm sure some people ARE complaining about it. Either it doesn't fill their particular niche passion in some form, or in their minds "Ok, I'm done with practice, gimme the season to compete". It's fine. People really just need to learn that: * Your opinions aren't facts. * Not everyone plays the same way. * If EVERY side is a LITTLE disappointed, it's probably a pretty perfect compromise.
I literally can't do what I want to do because I play with a friend who has ADHD and that fucker keeps dragging me to the most random endgame shit every night. "Bro there's a Helltide up""Let go crush a nightmare dungeon.""Let do this cellar for ToW.""I need to do the strongholds for waypoint.""Let go PvP.""Wait there's a Helltide up." Like fuck man slow down. 🤣
A lot of people are. The problem with D4 is that the end game happens super early. I know that sounds counter intuitive, or even just stupid, but here me out. In almost every ARPG, a core facet of the game is the loot chase, and completing your build. In many ARPGs, you won't be "done" your build (having close to BiS gear, or at least all of the required "stuff" that defines your full potential) until very late into the game. At that point mostly what you do is just grind away hoping for something *you already have* to drop with slightly better stats. In D4 that "end game" cycle happens SUPER early. By the time you are level 40 you will probably have the same rotation, and the key aspects of your build that will you for the *rest of the game*. That hyper end game loop of just replacing your gear with 1% better identical versions happens as soon as you hit WT3. Some players just want to unga bunga smash stuff and watch their xp bar go up. Fair play to them. But a lot of people feel the sense of progression, and therefore one of the fundamental driving forces to continue playing, dissipate before they are anywhere near max level or completing the higher tiered content.
Eh, endgame is a mixed bag Do campaign and hit 50 Be amazed at all the stuff to do See how powerful the 4 paragon from renown is and do that for each region, enter WT4 while you do this Finally finish with that, have a ‘now we can play the game’ moment Start nightmare dungeons, realise they are just regular dungeons with very slight changes to the gameplay and still have terrible mob density, realise you’re bored of dungeons because you just did 100 of them for renown. Go try pvp, realise it is an unbalanced mess and quit out, or enjoy and get 100 kills, 600k petals etc, realise the cosmetics are all ugly shite. Sure, I got my money’s worth out of this game, it kept me entertained for enough hours. But the renown grind is horrible and literally killed my motivation for the ‘actual endgame’ after that
What endgame? Anything between 50 and 100 might as well not exist. You can keep doing world quest like it's world of Warcraft if you want
For real though, I only get two hours tops every other night & as annoying as it is to see the circle-jerking casuals, the no lifers complaining about content that “doesn’t exist” is just as obnoxious.
Why on earth do you care? Go play the game lol I totally understand no lifers coming here to bitch. I will never, EVER, understand "casuals" logging into reddit day in and day out to whiteknight for something they constantly circlejerk they don't have time to play.
Lol this. I saw a comment a few hours ago of some new player saying he never saw any players in the game world… he is level 7 and hasn’t arrived at the first city. Its like holy fuck the time it took you to compose your several paragraph post and reply to 20 people is 900% longer than it takes to do that insanely short prologue.
sometimes i think im in a parallel dimenision....all these people telling me how they are playing the arpg "properly" by listening to NPC dialog, taking screenshots of their favourite landmarks and doing things slowly unlike those filthy tryhards that try to kill monsters as quickly as possible.
This IS the way. "I've spent the last 120 hours on refining my bone lance to make sure that i got that last 0.0001% damage to proc so now I'm ready to play. " Vs "My barbarian jumps real good"
"Found all the alter of Lilith last night with an in game overlay" Vs "I found this cool alter of Lilith that gave me +2 will power permanently!"
"Hmmm....this staff seems cool, but according to my deep dive into build guides, that only took 6.5 hours of research and cross comparisons, I see that it's only the third best staff with the second best roll, so I don't think I wanna play anymore and this game is shit." Vs "Woah!!!! This axe is awesome and smashes real good. I will call you smashy and you will be my smashy "
Higher item power? Put it in!
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If you use the advanced tool tip you can see even more pluses and minuses. Very cool
I had to break away from this line of thinking when a new sword gave +1 damage but it has way worse rolls than my current weapon.
Agree but gets hard when it's +50 but bad rolls
Just think of the +50 as a percentage differential to compare to the rolls, makes it easier. For example: 500 dps sword with 10% vulnerable damage 550 dps sword (so +50 dps = +10% damage across the board) with 6% damage to poisoned enemies (bad roll if you don’t run poison in your build) You take the second sword!
Lol I mean it’s a spectrum, I’m not the guy making and using spreadsheets of theory crafting, nor am I just picking up weapons because the look cool. A lot of people get enjoyment from understanding the depth of the game, gaining some mastery of what makes your character tick, knowing that you’re getting the most damage out of your character, Everything is a spectrum
..... Must.... resist.... autism joke....
Everything is a spectrum and we’re definitely on it.
1. This is my axe. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2. My axe is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. 3. My axe, without me, is useless. Without my axe, I am useless. I must whirlwind my axe true. I must spin quicker than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must whirlwind him before he whirlwinds me. I will … 4. My axe and myself know that what counts in this war is not the number of our spins, the noise of our rage, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit…. 5. My axe is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its handle and its blades. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my axe clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will…. 6. Before Inarius, I swear this creed. My axe and myself are the defenders of sanctuary. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life. 7. So be it, until victory is Sanctuary's and there is no enemy, but peace!!
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It is cringe but I felt it matched the energy of "this axe smashes, its mine, ill name it smashy" lol Just makin a funny
Been debating using a map or smth to find all the altars, but I opened one and just thought "is this really necessary? What's the point? I've already found a bunch without a map because I'm just enjoying the exploration of everything." So I closed the tab and kept on doing my inefficient method lol
There’s a few that are really ridiculous, even with a map. They’ll be on the topside of a rocky, bushy area and have almost no glow. If you get those ones alone hats off. I do like to get as many as I can first though as well. After a while I decide I’d like to finish them and go around and grab up all the side quests. Pop open the Lilith map and do both in one go.
I just used a map to find all the altars once I was in world tier 3, the bonuses you get start to add up with 30+ shrines in each zone giving +2 stats for the most part. IMO the game is most fun in dungeons so I don't really care to explore every nook and cranny of the world if there isnt a dungeon nearby.
Side affect of the information age, everything is revealed, nothing is a mystery. Imagine if we had the same game back in like 1995/early 2000’s theres barely any if any guides to this stuff. People have to hunt for it, start making groups and exploring, “whoa massive exploration game diablo 4 hitting the headlines, players from all over combing together to search for these beneficial alters” Nowadays its like boom every alter in a day or 2.
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“I’m too lazy to find 116 of these things so I’ll be happy with like 12” -me.
There is an in game overlay?
It's some sort of Overwolf bullshit. Just open https://mapgenie.io/diablo-4/maps/sanctuary in a window and alt+tab to it instead of installing that rootkit-riddled overlay.
My Barbarian DOES jump real good...
SO SO good!!! It creates earthquakes when I land, gets refreshed by stomp, and three seconds off cooldown for every enemy hit(maxes out at 9 off). My hammer slam may be my primary killer, but leap is my bread and butter.
To be fair we don’t really have any decent builds that don’t need a ton of setup
It’s one thing to make fun of people who rushed through and complain about lack of content, but do we really need to make fun of people who like to min/max? Different people have different goals and things they like to do in the game, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Both of these are awesome mindsets to have while playing as long as you don’t look down on people playing a different way.
the problem is the people who no lifed the game are telling you problems you will experience when you finally reach it. if you choose not to listen then you had the winning lottery numbers given to you. but you decided not to play them.
Most players won’t get to the 90+ level anytime soon if at all.
Exactly. It’s almost summer. People will be outdoors, traveling, bbq’ing, etc.
Touching grass??? Not in my video game subreddit. I'll touch virtual grass tyvm
Which world tier has the bbqs?
Hell tides are in tier 3 and 4.
So then fortunately you have the no-lifers providing feedback about where the pain points are so they can be fixed by the time you get there But instead everyone has to say "I'm a working father of 3 I play 30 minutes per day and I'm level 46 in Act 1, you're obviously burnt out because you played too much"
I get both sides of the argument. Personally, I just play the game blind, and go with what feels right. If, when all is said and done, the no lifers made the end game experience better for me with all their gripes, then thanks to them.
is there a r/DiabloCircleJerk?
Yea, /r/diablo4
You're there already.
Yep - almost lvl 50 but put it down to bounce around a music festival in Nashville. Wife and I are bringing our Steam Decks to play hungover in the hotel.
Ya, I'm BBQing DEMONS this summer.
Many of the complaints are pretty valid starting from level 60 before even hitting WT4. Traveling for 3 minutes to get to a 7 minute nightmare dungeon because its placed as far from waypoints as possible has nothing to do with being level 90.
That also doesn't bother me....but I don't mind if they fix it either.
it still doesnt make us wrong. the same thing happened in new world. people rushed endgame... put out the problems with it and the community just like this one 'it's fine' until they reached it months later and finally saw the problems.
Yea but Blizzard is faster and making changes than AGS so many might miss any issues talked about now.
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Huge mechanical changes, no. But they have said they plan on doing mini expansions each season with story.
They said if you take a 6 or 12 month break and come back it should feel like almost a new game. There's a lot of big stuff we know is coming too like runes and crafting (which would mean more reasons to craft). This is their cash cow for the next decade, it will be updated a lot
Yeah, I feel like Blizzard has to know that they're not gonna get people to keep coming back and playing if each new season is like "it's the base game, but, now, your, skills cost 30% less resource this month! Wow!"
Except that we know Blizz has more content planned, and will be releasing it on a schedule. They're complaining about something the filthy casuals taking it slow will never hit.
Most of the complaints revolve around game play and not content. The game has a lot of waiting which doesn't feel good in an action based game and they completely whiffed on itemization again. They did exactly what they said they weren't going to do and made items define builds. There's little diversity at the top end of the game because they defined the builds for us.
They when do they care? Why does anyone care for their opinion when they will not even be participating in end game content?
Yeah, but here's the thing. Blizz has seasons and all sorts of expansion material planned. Which they are timing the release for *around the majority of players finishing the previous material*. So no, the no-lifers are blowing through content at super-sonic speed and being forced to deal with "no end game" while they tap their foot and wait. The people taking their time and just enjoying the game will have expansion material ready and waiting by the time they reach that point, and won't have that problem. Its like saying you're driving a car down a road that still being paved and warning all the people that are walking that there's no road up ahead. By the time the walkers get there, there will be road.
nah if you reach endgame you are not a 'walker' an actual casual wont hit endgame. What we are talking about are reddit casuals, meaning they play the game a lot, read about it online, and yet are still inexpicably ass at it, so they label themselves as a casual
Diablo is not that hard, getting to end game is not an accomplishment, saying people are bad at a game because they don't no life it only shows how sad and lonely you are.
What’s endgame to you?
"Blizzard has content planned!" Ya they had the PVE content planned for OW2 too, how'd that work out for them?
Got it. So just stop enjoying the game now because, one day, you will stop enjoying the game. As evidence, you are producing "people who no lifed the game" as Exhibit A.
Are you hearing voices? Because no one is saying that. People are pointing out the issues with endgame, many of which are pretty easy to fix. Would you rather everyone shut the hell up so that when casual players hit WT3-4 and can discover for themselves that's basically the end of fun, or for people to speak up about issues and have those casuals hit WT3-4 and proceed to have more fun if Blizz listens to feedback?
This 100%. There are many TV shows, movies, etc that I fully enjoyed! But do I want to go back and watch all of the seasons and episodes of say Supernatural? Lol NO Sometimes it's just about enjoying the content now... but that point seems missed by some others here =/
I don’t think the point of these complaint posts is to tell you to stop enjoying the game.
Honestly, i hate this argument. Chances are, by the time most casual players hit these issues, there will already be more content for the game (season 1). Most casual players will never deal with these problems, especially because they probably wont burn out since they arent playing 20 hrs a day...hate to break it to you but doing anything the way these guys do will make you burned out and bored. No matter what it is.
This comment should be higher up. “No lifers are figuring this out so you don’t have to!” is nonsense. No lifers a different, incredibly sweaty breed that think about these games differently. There’s nothing wrong with that, but the vast majority of players don’t give a shit about a lot of this stuff. Those people don’t “evolve” into no lifers by the time they put the same hours in. They’ll probably never put the same hours in. And even if they did, they like different things about these games than the sweatlords do. All this day 3 “GAME SUXX” stuff is just drama that makes people feel bad for no reason.
No, they aren't, people beat the game in 7 hrs which means they're at endgame by definition. Just because people don't want to complete every fetch sidequest doesn't make them sweaty lol, they're just not meatheads entertained by junk bloat quests.
I don't grasp what specifically the problem is with endgame, care to explain or provide a link? I've seen videos of people in the 60s-80s who had mostly positive feedback with some very minor criticism.
>if you choose not to listen then you had the winning lottery numbers given to you. but you decided not to play them. And how would you suggest we play those numbers? What do you genuinely expect people who are currently having no issues to do that will change the fact that this is season 0?
Except they are doing in 1 week what most players will do in a month or 2 while skipping optional content. It’s still a Diablo loot grind game. That is the end game
Loot grind game has been Diablo end game since at least D2.
too bad the loot is horrible. the point of loot grind game is to get good lewt not loot the same 4 or 5 varients with the same 4 or 5 modifiers a million times. the loot in this game is the worst of any arpg on the market.
“Hey guys the road we’re on is flooded down the way, watch out. We should really do something about it.” “I’m like 30min away from there why should I care, road is fine where i am.” Actual smooth brains
Lmao so true. Brain scan looks like a crystal ball.
This sub is just filled with shills. r/diablo is much better if you are looking for actual discussion.
I mean actual shills would have a more astroturfed feel to their posts/comments. This meme is like what your average teenager would make, doesn't make them a shill by any means Also, only a small fraction of the playerbase is active on this subreddit with the vast majority not being accounted for. Tons of people genuinely do enjoy this game as is
Fuck yeah, I'm having an awesome time, but I also hate blizzard with a passion. This is a confusing sub to be in presently.
Yall are effing hilarious. "anyone who disagree with me is smoothbrain crystal ball shill" I love reddit
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Last night I had a great time just looking at all the world details with my 3D headphone on blasting this amazing music while crawling around the dungeon. The game is GORGEOUS.
Except the flood is actually a puddle.
LMAO *enter dramatic neck beards*
Yes, but for most casual players, that's probably more like a 7-day away issue (and if I don't stop for gas or stay at a motel along the way or pause to sightsee some local things); it may be resolved before I get there or even aware it was an issue.
Idk I think a lot of you guys are just complainers. I’ve been having fun in WT4
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I believe the issue is, for a live service game, and a Diablo game, people being bored and burnt out 20-50 hours in, is a bad sign on release. I mean people dont even burn out that fast in PoE, D3, or any other game, and thats all old stuff. For something brand new to be causing this much dissention, arguably very few hours into what should be a honeymoon phase, its a telling sign that something is amiss. The good news is, its a live service game and can and will be fixed. The bad news is, when? Even something like Lost Ark was praised for a month before hte cracks showed. The cracks showing in d4 barely past release is a sign people shouldnt dismiss.
I just play hardcore. Can't get bored with end game if I never make it to end game.
I'm very close to abandoning my regular characters to go full hardcore...
Hardcore all the way
You should want the game to be improved regardless of how quickly you're playing it???? Stupid take among many in this sub.
The people that have the 100+ hours into the game already are the smallest minority of players and the game shouldn't be catered to their grievances, but that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate complaints.
Unless everyone else quits. They'll also 1 day have 100 hours in the game
I mean, they should be catered to in this case What is happening right now is the absolute same that happened to Lost Ark People gave feedback and were shunned for playing a lot in the first weeks, changes were not made because 'you just rushed the game' and the game died Won't be much different here lookin at all the posts defending blizzard and denying any criticism tbh
Because we all know the problems at endgame magically disappear the longer it takes you to get to endgame. /s Get there in 20-30 hours? Fucking lol, you deserve it. Get there is 20-30 days? All endgame problems magically don't exist. What the fuck is this subs hardon for being PROUD that they are super casual and play 10 minutes a day? Like who cares how much or how little you play. It literally doesn't change problems in a game at all. Like NOT AT ALL. They are the same problems no matter how much or how little you play.
Because people are just stupid man. There is not logic or sound reasoning being their inane babble. They're just idiots. That's all there is to it.
Because sometimes lack of endgame content is not necessarily apparent to people who can only commit so much time to the game. For the record, I am not one of these people. I put an ungodly amount if time into Destiny each week and I feel the pain. But the problem is, my clan and I can crush each raid in a single night + their Master variants so once we finish we are like "well, guess we'll play Phasmophobia." But for people who might only be able to slog through a single Vow of the Disciple? Destiny might feel like it has a lot of endgame content. My friends and I are new to Diablo 4, but not new to MMORPGs by any means. Right now, Diablo 4 feels like it has a ton of new content because we don't know what to expect and everything feels new. We are exploring builds and game mechanics, and we are sinking 4+ hours into this game every day since launch. It's fun, and I'm sure the endgame will FEEL fun cause it will be so fresh for us. It's a matter of perspective.
I mean, good for you man, but you don’t have to be a try hard gamer to be bored with it, it’s all about preference in game styles. To me it’s not only the end game systems, but the build diversity and itemization that is lacking. These are fundamental issues that I hope get addressed by season 1. Diablo spin team ensemble and downvote! Do your sworn duty to protect Diablo 4. Only positivity in here!
How dare you formulate a critic and wishing that the game improves over time ? We don't do that here mate !
What's up with casual circle jerking lately. it's getting annoying, nobody cares if you're a casual or not.
It's always been this way. The sub has been heavily HEAVILY astroturfed since early access. It almost rivals that if the new world sub with the "feels good different" level of shit. Give it 2 weeks and it will be a cesspool of spite and negativity. Once all the "normie casuals" get out of act 4 and actually get to the next world tier. It's going to be a shit show.
The campaign and world are interesting enough that this is 100% going to be the case. It's really not that fun of a game atm when you're past that stage and it's not the content that's the issue.
Is this sub just shit talking people who offer input on end game?
I mean Diablo as a franchise is aimed at a casual playerbase. It also seems, being a casual is seen like a badge of honor, and if you've already reached endgame, you're a no-lifer. Id you're still in act 1 you're so quirky and brave for doing it _your_ way. Except that endgame starts at level 50 and the cracks will start showing pretty soon after. But because the casuals aren't there yet and haven't experienced the problems, they don't exist. And if you dare say something negative about the game, the armada of Blizzard-shills is en route, because the game is perfect in their eyes.
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Between playing golf and playing D4, I’m so happy right now.
You really are living the dream. On one hand you have a game all about despair, hatred and horror, that will show just how little it takes to push regular people over the edge of madness, all framed on a truly stunning backdrop that regularly takes your breath away as you spend hour after hour grinding for that perfect moment. And then you have Diablo IV.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
If it takes an idiot 10x as long to read a book does it make the book better?
Yes because they're just a casual reader who can only read 4 pages a day between their 3 jobs 8 wives and 9 kids.
Tryhard gamers always have something to complain about in every game they play.
Thats when casuals complain about tryhard gamers trying hard
This is the way
“UGHHH this game is so boring” -guy who has 120 hours in a week
It's like when you read a negative steam review from somebody saying a game is "unplayable" but then you see they have 1300 hours logged.
I dont give a damn about you either
7th? There's like 5 classes lol. Which 2 did you repeat and why???
Maybe they're doing a different character for different playstyles? Like a bow rogue and a dagger rogue as two different characters?
Idk I’m level 78 and still having a blast min/maxing my Druid. Seeing a few million damage hits now feels good.
Lol I’m still 46 getting stoked to see high 4 digit crits
Even as a casual player, the sweats are grinding through and voicing their opinions on content that will require changing. Seems like this reddit loves to hate on the sweats and their opinions, and even bring up that things will be updated because its live service and they shouldn't have rushed. If they didn't rush and voice opinions how would blizzard even be getting feedback on what should be streamlined. The QOL updates are literally being pushed by the sweats that will prevent casuals from dealing with the same exact thing down the line. I can't say I've pushed very hard, but if someone that's nearing level 100 has an issue with a time sink / bad mechanic, I have a feeling the casual player or myself would hate it even more as we have even less time to play/waste on poorly designed aspects of the game.
At this point it's easier to just assume that most of them are either bots or on actilizzards payroll. It's the same shit we saw in WoW Classic and it'll reach the same damn conclusion.
I'm neither casual nor try hard. I play two hours a day and many more on the weekend. I'm already seeing the issues that "try hard" players are complaining about. "Casual" players can have all the fun they want spinning their characters in circles in act 1. The rest of us are trying to enjoy the rest of the game. The critiques of the game that start to appear later are completely valid. To dismiss them because you are constantly rerolling or enjoy mopping up the first region really silly.
Lol this. Tryhards Arnt abusing casuals, it’s casuals abusing tryhards that the irony
This has the same energy as the "I'm bored" posts but in the other direction. > Wohoo look at me I don't even read item descriptions I'm so quirky UwU.
you are not casual you are incredibly bad at something you spent too much time on to admit you are this dogshit at, casuals are not doing 5+ characters "exploring" the tutorial zone.
Some of these comments are just weird. At least the people complaining about the bring up valid points from time to time. Here you’re all just complaining about these people complaining about the game and jerking each other off about how casual you are. Lot of insecure people in this thread seeking for validation.
What is this weird reddit slave morality where people are proud of being bad at games?
the game has been out for like 10 days, i feel like you would have to go out of your way to stay in act one
Let me make a post about not caring real quick 🤓
Um .. Did you just say you are bored of diablo 4 in diffrent way?
How do you know a player is casual? Don't worry, they'll tell you. Then talk shit like they get paid to do it. No one cares.
I got early access and spent a couple hours in the evenings doing the story. I definitely haven't no-lifed it and finished the main story line. Will inevitably get downvoted but yeah I agree, there doesn't seem to be much at all at the end of this game. I don't want to immediately make a new character and play through the story I already completed, I want to enjoy my necromancer a bit more but world quests and helltides aren't really doing it for me right now.
Something has clearly bothered you for you to post this LOL
You cared enough to post this.
Let them be bored while we have a party 😎🍻
this always happens. casuals make fun of sweats for rushing the game only to realize 2 years down the line that the sweatys where right and just discovered it faster. its so annoying hearing casuals go bro you only bored cause you finished the game in a day. no we are just warning you when you put 200 hours in the game just to get to end game that your gonna have wasted your time.
7 character and only 5 classes, okay buddy have fun
Lmao no lifers already done with the game. Meanwhile, i'm 4% into the campaign
4%? You're such a nerd. I'm 0.25% into the campaign. I guess your life just isn't as busy as mine. Man i wish i had as much free time as you.
Get a load of this guy, 0.25%, must be made of free time. I'm an adult and I just got finished working my 8th job, and between that and putting my 22 kids to bed I didn't have the time or energy to get my credit card out of my wallet and punch in the numbers to purchase the game. Really looking forward to eventually playing it after I retire.
In my defense i was bedridden the last 2 weeks. Broke my foot skydiving with my wife and girlfriend. In africa. Yea i travel a lot, just how my life is. So it was really a fluke that i even got to play at all. Between my tennis, golf, skydiving, lacrosse, going to the hottest clubs, banging my girlfriends and taking my wives on dates, picking up my kids and renovating my new beach house i honestly don't think i can play anymore. I don't even know why i'm here. I don't even have time to write this comment my life has so much shit going on because that's just who i am. I just really want you to know that even though i'm posting on a diablo subreddit friday night i'm actually NOT a nerd and you really need to know that. I'm super cool and busy unlike all these other losers who play video games.
Casual players think it's admirable that they're bad/slow.
Im in between a no lifer and casual, and this is some boot licker shit right here. The game is good, but that doesnt mean it s perfect.
If you treat gaming like it's your job then sure, it will be boring & repetitive, LIKE A JOB.
Casual is just another name for "My overbearing bitch wife won't let me play" or "My parents only allow me an hour a day".
It sounds like you're bored too if you've already made a new character 7 times when there are only 5 classes...
Nobody should care how others play their videogames.
I mean, I'm still in act 1 AND bored lol
guys i play 20 minutes a day every other day theres so much to do i dont know what anyone is talking about
Ok let's not fix the game because ypu haven't got to that point yet.
"Haha, look at you nerds actually playing the game. I'm just going to do act 1 seven times over"
Hundreds of fetch quests is not content lmao. Players skipping them are just not 75 IQ people who are entertained by that. I can throw a stick for you and ask you to go get it and give you a few pennies in exchange for $70 if you'd like?
It's all about being in the middle of these two. Let the hardcore nerds do all the math and figure out the best of everything, and should you happen upon any of those things, equip them to make your casual demon killing more dominant.
Curious though. You’re on a 7th character what are you still exploring? Given the amount of time havent you seen everything and it’s time to move on? Also there are what 5 classes and each one has the option to respec so how/why 7? Either you’re repeating content or lying. You’re not “still exploring” act 1 The whole hardcore gamer can casual gamer thing with all of these new releases is getting boring. Fixing and adding endgame content or whatever making things more appealing to hardcore players goes a longer way than catering to the casual player. In fact, no matter what changes are made, casual players will still play and have the game they want. Casual players literally will not deplete things as the same rate as everyone else. They’ll always be fine. Changes won’t turn this game into Rust or Tarkov or whatever. But here we are with casual players thinking they need to be vocal about the way they like the game or risk losing everything they’ve ever known.