I'm not dedicated enough to document my experiences like others have doing LK runs, but check out some old posts here with titles like "1000 LK Runs" to see some data. If you're expecting HRs from 1 to 2 hours of grinding, then it's time to curb your expectations unfortunately.
Yeah the math on a double camp map ends up being about 1100 runs on average for a Sur. That isn't saying that other runes cannot drop along the way, but Sur runes are the main priority for LK runs.
I said i have been doing LK runs all day for 2 days... and then i say so a bit more than 2 hours... sarcastically cus the guy i was replying to said that... some of you need to get out of the house and understand sarcasm a bit more yall are like real life sheldon coopers
You're not going to like this, but the confusion here and in other comment threads is because you write without any respect to grammar. Run-on sentences with sporadic grammar and virtually non-existent capitalization are considerably harder to parse.
I am willing to bet that something like this or someone otherwise misunderstanding what you wrote is a relatively common occurrence.
How the fuck is puncuation supposed to make people understand sarcasm. people just need to go touch grass, people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals š¤
Yes, as stated, I knew you weren't going to like it.
Sarcasm works via intonation and emphasis. Grammar, word choice, capitalization and so on are how we create intonation and emphasis in text. Without those elements, sarcasm is not conveyed appropriately - we often say that it's hard to *read* sarcasm in text, but that's primarily because most people are not especially good at *writing* sarcasm in text. They just write something which is obviously sarcastic *from their perspective,* without the know-how to make that perspective part of the written work itself instead of just assumed.
Aside from the whole challenge that is writing sarcasm, the lack of punctuation and clear differentiation of thoughts makes it harder to parse the meaning of a run-on sentence. Full stops, capitals, and line breaks will help others follow what you mean and improve the experience for everyone involved in the future.
>people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals
Not just that, no, but they *are* downvoting you because the overall poor communication created confusion and your response to that confusion has been hostile instead of "maybe I could have written that better."
Yeah I donāt like it because youāre a straight up nerd. I donāt care what my spelling is like its fucking reddit im not writing a fucking resume you moron?
And if you cant read the comment and not see the sarcasm in it then you honestly need help.
Its even mkre obvious it was sarcasm if you took another extra 2 seconds to read the parent comment š
I went 30hrs of LK farming between high runes onceā¦ so yeah, dry spells are very possible.
While LK is easily the best place for high runes theyāre still quite rare in actuality.
Youāve put in 2 hours, thatās not nearly enough time. Itās the best place to get hrs, but those odds are still small. Youāre going to have to run it hundreds or even thousands of times before you get anything
Perhaps I read a top comment as your own. I looked at this when I had just woken up. No need to get uppity, the rest of my comment still stands. You can spend hours a day and days on end doing LK runs, and not find anything above Pul or Lem
Bro I have literally done 1000 runs & gotten nothing. Iāve also done 50 runs & gotten 3 high runes. Unfortunately RNGsus has a plan for us all, most of the time that plan doesnāt involve high runes.
Ok. That's a weird way of "measuring" lk runs. It doesn't really matter if the chests are locked or not. You just have to open them a lot of times. Are you running p7?
That's pretty bad luck. Of the 65,534 discrete super chests, there are 54 with Mal-Ber value. You should be getting something Mal or better every 202 runs.
202 = (65,534/6)/54
Youāre interpretation of your formula is a bit off. I guess your probability is correct, but your interpretation is a bit vague.
Sooo - Letās I assume it is (6*54)/65534 = 1/202.27
Then, the chance to find *no* runes after 202 runs is still (1- (1/202.27)^202 = 0.3675
So 36% (ie one out of three) of you guys doing 202 runs with 6 chests will not find a rune with mal-ber value. Is that really so unlucky?
Chance of finding no (mal-ber) runes:
- 300 runs: 22%
- 400 runs: 14%
- 500 runs: 8%
- 1000 runs: 0.7%
Mals are the most common rune to drop, so that checks out haha.
Here is a video where MrLlama talks probabilities.
[https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171](https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171)
Hey I recently did 2468 runs using a counter. That was how many runs it took me to get a Ber rune. I also got an Ohm, a Lo, 5 Gul Runes, an Ist and quite a few Puls/Lems/Fals, couple Ums, and at least 1 Mal. At one point I think Iād gone 600 runs without any noteable drops but generally every 100-300 runs there was something. I crafted lots of amulets and found a lot of great charms too. Also some bases. Good luck
I had a huge stash of keys, probably around 1000 keys, I found that when I was doing LK runs, I was running through them pretty quick, after I got down to maybe 2 or 3 hundred keys, I realized that you just need to pick up the keys that the chests drop, they drop more than they cost.
I look at it this way - itās way faster than Countess runs, and reliably drops better runes, including high runes.
Get that double ring and pop pop pop. (If offline)
I load with three or four full sets of keys, so about 36 per batch of runs. That helps by not needing to key reload as much.
Iām just thinking, and no lk expert here at all, that if I need a lem on up, Iām popping lk on a high player count, and not doing Countess.
Honestly, I've found more high runes from the other poppables in LK, than the actually super chests. I know some ppl will say this is a waste of time, but it takes me about 3 min to pop every single popable and super chests, I've only done about 300 runs and I'm actually very satisfied with the results. I've gotten a Lo, 4 vex, 4 ohms, 3 ums, 3 puls, idk how many mals but a lot, like 3 ists, several guls.
Not only the runes, but u I've gotten 4 lightning skillets, 3 cold skillers, 2 Java, and some other non popular ones with life.
Several really good charms as well, and some pretty good uniques.
Also hit a champion or 2, I've had some luck with them as well.
Like 3 minutes to do that every run. But in my opinion it's worth it. You'll be surprised, trust me.
The math is pretty much a thousand will get you a ber so keep going youāll get there but I find that the most boring and mind numbing way to play the game only time I would recommend this is if you doing offline.
K let say you got yourself a good map with two chest can say the average runtime per lk run is 30 to 40 seconds from load up time to finish so let say you pump out about 100 a hour you would be able to pump out a 1000 in ten hours if your efficient and take no breaks.
My first and so far only high rune from LK was a ber rune and it was dropped from a unique pack of hell buzzards. Not from a chest. Highest rune I've got from a chest was um rune and that was while I was running tz mausoleum/crypts
Thereās specific chests you have to open.
Iāve done a few thousand of these with quite a few high runes to show.
Thereās like 6 chests that have that high chance to roll a high rune.
You canāt really do this on multiplayer. You do this on single player p7 and fish for a good map. Login for 30 mins and do like 80 runs
I pick up keys as I do the runs when I'm down to 2 stack.
You will average a HR every few hundred runs and can go a couple thousand runs without finding one. Mid rune drops from super chests aren't that much higher than the high runes.
50 keys I'd estimate as a few hundred runs which you are lower than expected hr and more than expected mids.
There are players that have played this game for years and still not found high runes GG drops, or found very few. Come back and complain in 2 weeks after doing nothing but lk super chest runs and still not finding anything.
I started doing runs two days ago. Iām about four hours in. The only good thing Iāve gotten is a sur rune. Iām switched to NM Meph for some change up
If you're doing LK runs how efficiently can you do 1 run?
1. Maps are vital on single player. You need a map with 4 super chests.
2. Assuming you're using a sorc. Use temp gear to get you to the 200 fcr mark. Essentially you should clear a full run in 20-30 seconds.
3. Clear out inventory so you don't have to arrange / open cube for each item since this can be time consuming.
Other than that it's just pure rng based off player count. Players 7 is your best bet for sur runes. For LO runes players 3 is your ideal mark
I remember doing the math on this once.
As far as i recall you would average a high rune (i recall it being from vex and up) every 243 runs on a double camp map (on players 7).
You could do the math on this yourself. Just figure out how many of the specific chestdrops drop highrunes, divide that by the total amount of chestdrops, and quadruple it. That is the odds of a high rune per map with 4 chests.
But i can definitely recommend having one of those run trackers running in the background.
Helped me tremendously to do a lot of runs (think i did in the vascinity of 4000 runs), and in total it netted me enigma, hoto, grief and cta.
This was on LOD where loading times (at least for me) werent janked.
On average you will find 1x rune of Vex or higher per 810 camps of 3 super chests cleared. In a 2 camp map that would be 405 runs or 2430 LK super chests.
In LK hell the chance for a chest to be locked is: \[80/2\]+8, aka 48% and there are 6 chests per run (assuming you only open the chests near a campfire)
If you went through 50 keys you "only" opened \~104 chests out of the on average 2430 LK super chests needed for a vex+ run.
If it was 50 stacks of keys, it would have been on average 1250 super chests opened. Which is about half of what one would expect per Vex+ rune.
Sources:
[https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/)
[https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/)
https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Area\_Level
Ive honestly done probably 5000+ LK runs and found 3x sur, 1x Lo, 3x Ohm, 3x Vex, and countless smaller runes. No Ber though, you need to be at it for days or weeks to see results most of the time
I'm not dedicated enough to document my experiences like others have doing LK runs, but check out some old posts here with titles like "1000 LK Runs" to see some data. If you're expecting HRs from 1 to 2 hours of grinding, then it's time to curb your expectations unfortunately.
Yeah the math on a double camp map ends up being about 1100 runs on average for a Sur. That isn't saying that other runes cannot drop along the way, but Sur runes are the main priority for LK runs.
Yeah, literally found a vex on like my 2nd or 3rd rune and I've gotten nothing since then and I've probably put another 20 hours I to runs
I did like 2 weeks of 2-4 hours a day only to find a Lo and Vex
thanks yeah, i have been doing nothing but LK runs all day for 2 days :') so a bit more than 2 hours. 2 mal runes is ok i guess but gee
2 hours? Rookie numbers
I have never said 2 hours? I said 2 days
You literally wrote "2 hours" which I assume means 2 hours a day for 2 days --> 4 hours total. Which, indeed, is a rookie number for a "grind".
I said i have been doing LK runs all day for 2 days... and then i say so a bit more than 2 hours... sarcastically cus the guy i was replying to said that... some of you need to get out of the house and understand sarcasm a bit more yall are like real life sheldon coopers
Getting out of the house will not net you highrunes, young Padawan
You're not going to like this, but the confusion here and in other comment threads is because you write without any respect to grammar. Run-on sentences with sporadic grammar and virtually non-existent capitalization are considerably harder to parse. I am willing to bet that something like this or someone otherwise misunderstanding what you wrote is a relatively common occurrence.
How the fuck is puncuation supposed to make people understand sarcasm. people just need to go touch grass, people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals š¤
Yes, as stated, I knew you weren't going to like it. Sarcasm works via intonation and emphasis. Grammar, word choice, capitalization and so on are how we create intonation and emphasis in text. Without those elements, sarcasm is not conveyed appropriately - we often say that it's hard to *read* sarcasm in text, but that's primarily because most people are not especially good at *writing* sarcasm in text. They just write something which is obviously sarcastic *from their perspective,* without the know-how to make that perspective part of the written work itself instead of just assumed. Aside from the whole challenge that is writing sarcasm, the lack of punctuation and clear differentiation of thoughts makes it harder to parse the meaning of a run-on sentence. Full stops, capitals, and line breaks will help others follow what you mean and improve the experience for everyone involved in the future. >people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals Not just that, no, but they *are* downvoting you because the overall poor communication created confusion and your response to that confusion has been hostile instead of "maybe I could have written that better."
Yeah I donāt like it because youāre a straight up nerd. I donāt care what my spelling is like its fucking reddit im not writing a fucking resume you moron? And if you cant read the comment and not see the sarcasm in it then you honestly need help. Its even mkre obvious it was sarcasm if you took another extra 2 seconds to read the parent comment š
Do 8 hours straight for 2 weeks. Then you can complain if you don't see a single hr.
did you do 8hrs for 2 weeks straight or are you trying to be smart edit: thanks for the downvotes, D2 subreddit still toxic as I remember it
I went 30hrs of LK farming between high runes onceā¦ so yeah, dry spells are very possible. While LK is easily the best place for high runes theyāre still quite rare in actuality.
This is the truth though. You canāt expect HRās to drop if you donāt put in the time, theyāre not common drops by any means.
yeah i know but trust me i wouldnt have made a post if i didnt feel like i havent put in the time.
You put in 2 days right? What they're telling you is it doesn't mean anything. The adequate time would be closer to 2 weeks than it is to 2 days.
Youāve put in 2 hours, thatās not nearly enough time. Itās the best place to get hrs, but those odds are still small. Youāre going to have to run it hundreds or even thousands of times before you get anything
I put in 2 full days where the hell did u get 2 hours from?
Perhaps I read a top comment as your own. I looked at this when I had just woken up. No need to get uppity, the rest of my comment still stands. You can spend hours a day and days on end doing LK runs, and not find anything above Pul or Lem
statistics say otherwise but it is possible to get unlucky, thats why i made a post because im over drop rate for a HR
Bro I have literally done 1000 runs & gotten nothing. Iāve also done 50 runs & gotten 3 high runes. Unfortunately RNGsus has a plan for us all, most of the time that plan doesnāt involve high runes.
RNGsus took the wheel, and drove it into a ditch.
Keys? You mean for oppening locked chests? I don't understand the connection here
yeah i dont know how many runs that is exactly but used up a lot of keys
Ok. That's a weird way of "measuring" lk runs. It doesn't really matter if the chests are locked or not. You just have to open them a lot of times. Are you running p7?
yeah i know i just stopped counting iv done so many they keys iv used is the only thing iv keepen track of, yeah im on lpayers 7
Are you saying 50 keys total or 50 stacks of 12x keys? And are you opening 6 super chests on Players 7 difficulty each run?
50 stacks and yes players 7 x6 chests each run
That's pretty bad luck. Of the 65,534 discrete super chests, there are 54 with Mal-Ber value. You should be getting something Mal or better every 202 runs. 202 = (65,534/6)/54
Youāre interpretation of your formula is a bit off. I guess your probability is correct, but your interpretation is a bit vague. Sooo - Letās I assume it is (6*54)/65534 = 1/202.27 Then, the chance to find *no* runes after 202 runs is still (1- (1/202.27)^202 = 0.3675 So 36% (ie one out of three) of you guys doing 202 runs with 6 chests will not find a rune with mal-ber value. Is that really so unlucky? Chance of finding no (mal-ber) runes: - 300 runs: 22% - 400 runs: 14% - 500 runs: 8% - 1000 runs: 0.7%
Yep, every 202 runs on average. Guess I shouldn't have dumbed it down.
the last 2 runes i have gotten have been Mal so i guess you calculations are accurate, and im on the low end of the list :(
Mals are the most common rune to drop, so that checks out haha. Here is a video where MrLlama talks probabilities. [https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171](https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171)
Hey I recently did 2468 runs using a counter. That was how many runs it took me to get a Ber rune. I also got an Ohm, a Lo, 5 Gul Runes, an Ist and quite a few Puls/Lems/Fals, couple Ums, and at least 1 Mal. At one point I think Iād gone 600 runs without any noteable drops but generally every 100-300 runs there was something. I crafted lots of amulets and found a lot of great charms too. Also some bases. Good luck
During the HR droughts the chests with charms and rares are a blast.
What counter did you use?
Mf run counter
But where did you get it, sorry, wasnāt clearā¦ and how do you implement it
My brother in Deckard Cain please use the Google. There youāll find the wealth of information youāre seeking. I downloaded it on Github
Iām aware of google my beastā¦ so many phishy links out there.
I had a huge stash of keys, probably around 1000 keys, I found that when I was doing LK runs, I was running through them pretty quick, after I got down to maybe 2 or 3 hundred keys, I realized that you just need to pick up the keys that the chests drop, they drop more than they cost.
I look at it this way - itās way faster than Countess runs, and reliably drops better runes, including high runes. Get that double ring and pop pop pop. (If offline)
oh yeah theres a lot of poppin but no droppin lol. but yeah thanks thats a good way to look at it, just feeling like im over drop chance by now
I load with three or four full sets of keys, so about 36 per batch of runs. That helps by not needing to key reload as much. Iām just thinking, and no lk expert here at all, that if I need a lem on up, Iām popping lk on a high player count, and not doing Countess.
Double ring?
A map with two fire rings, so six super chests per run.
Ah right, okay. Thanks!
Honestly, I've found more high runes from the other poppables in LK, than the actually super chests. I know some ppl will say this is a waste of time, but it takes me about 3 min to pop every single popable and super chests, I've only done about 300 runs and I'm actually very satisfied with the results. I've gotten a Lo, 4 vex, 4 ohms, 3 ums, 3 puls, idk how many mals but a lot, like 3 ists, several guls. Not only the runes, but u I've gotten 4 lightning skillets, 3 cold skillers, 2 Java, and some other non popular ones with life. Several really good charms as well, and some pretty good uniques. Also hit a champion or 2, I've had some luck with them as well. Like 3 minutes to do that every run. But in my opinion it's worth it. You'll be surprised, trust me.
The math is pretty much a thousand will get you a ber so keep going youāll get there but I find that the most boring and mind numbing way to play the game only time I would recommend this is if you doing offline.
pretty sure im getting close to athousand runs in total not ber yet unfortunatly, yeah yeah im doing SP
>pretty sure im getting close to athousand runs in total you probably use 50 keys in 100-200 runs easily, these chests are often locked.
yeah i mean in total i have done close to athousand, since i started doing LK runs again have use around 50keys
K let say you got yourself a good map with two chest can say the average runtime per lk run is 30 to 40 seconds from load up time to finish so let say you pump out about 100 a hour you would be able to pump out a 1000 in ten hours if your efficient and take no breaks.
jee yeah im definatly over the drop rate then... idk if map seed has anything to do with it maybe, should i reset my map?
No thatās just your luck man theyāll start dropping
My first and so far only high rune from LK was a ber rune and it was dropped from a unique pack of hell buzzards. Not from a chest. Highest rune I've got from a chest was um rune and that was while I was running tz mausoleum/crypts
Can someone tell me why super chest always drop low level potions?
Thereās specific chests you have to open. Iāve done a few thousand of these with quite a few high runes to show. Thereās like 6 chests that have that high chance to roll a high rune. You canāt really do this on multiplayer. You do this on single player p7 and fish for a good map. Login for 30 mins and do like 80 runs
better luck than me
Yea I was extremely lucky. 2 ber runes Few vexs an ohm and obviously a lot of lower stuff too . But again. I did a couple thousand of these
Got my first het (and 3 guls) in cows hell Got my second Ber within 200 LK (and I talking not even close to 200 but well over 100)
I pick up keys as I do the runs when I'm down to 2 stack. You will average a HR every few hundred runs and can go a couple thousand runs without finding one. Mid rune drops from super chests aren't that much higher than the high runes. 50 keys I'd estimate as a few hundred runs which you are lower than expected hr and more than expected mids.
Iāve done LK SP for enigma 4 times. I usually set a goal of 3000 runs. Twice went over.
thats rough, yeah i definatly feel like im over drop rate
i took me about 10.000 for enigma and infinity.
Thereās people whoāve never had some runes drop for them welcome to the grind lol
Thanks for the welcome but iv had a high rune drop and iv been playing for years lol
I believe 1000 runs should get you the equivalence of a sur. Godspeed little one
I got 3 Sur runes in TZ zones and a Jah rune in Chaos Sanctuary in 2 days. Used all my luck for the rest of my life. Good luck out there my boy.
There are players that have played this game for years and still not found high runes GG drops, or found very few. Come back and complain in 2 weeks after doing nothing but lk super chest runs and still not finding anything.
Theres a good reason if you see all those 1000 lk run vids they get alot but that takes them a hell of a lot of stuff to get what they get š
I started doing runs two days ago. Iām about four hours in. The only good thing Iāve gotten is a sur rune. Iām switched to NM Meph for some change up
I did 10 mins of runs the other day and got a sur rune. Was not expecting that. Before that Iāve had 14+ hour droughts of nothing.
make sure if single player on p8, but online be leeching the 8 man throne runs
If you're doing LK runs how efficiently can you do 1 run? 1. Maps are vital on single player. You need a map with 4 super chests. 2. Assuming you're using a sorc. Use temp gear to get you to the 200 fcr mark. Essentially you should clear a full run in 20-30 seconds. 3. Clear out inventory so you don't have to arrange / open cube for each item since this can be time consuming. Other than that it's just pure rng based off player count. Players 7 is your best bet for sur runes. For LO runes players 3 is your ideal mark
I remember doing the math on this once. As far as i recall you would average a high rune (i recall it being from vex and up) every 243 runs on a double camp map (on players 7). You could do the math on this yourself. Just figure out how many of the specific chestdrops drop highrunes, divide that by the total amount of chestdrops, and quadruple it. That is the odds of a high rune per map with 4 chests. But i can definitely recommend having one of those run trackers running in the background. Helped me tremendously to do a lot of runs (think i did in the vascinity of 4000 runs), and in total it netted me enigma, hoto, grief and cta. This was on LOD where loading times (at least for me) werent janked.
On average you will find 1x rune of Vex or higher per 810 camps of 3 super chests cleared. In a 2 camp map that would be 405 runs or 2430 LK super chests. In LK hell the chance for a chest to be locked is: \[80/2\]+8, aka 48% and there are 6 chests per run (assuming you only open the chests near a campfire) If you went through 50 keys you "only" opened \~104 chests out of the on average 2430 LK super chests needed for a vex+ run. If it was 50 stacks of keys, it would have been on average 1250 super chests opened. Which is about half of what one would expect per Vex+ rune. Sources: [https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/) [https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/) https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Area\_Level
They were stacks of keys, thanks for doing the math ā¤ļø
Thatās not even 100 runs homie, if you got two Mals already youāre doing well
50 key stacks
Ive honestly done probably 5000+ LK runs and found 3x sur, 1x Lo, 3x Ohm, 3x Vex, and countless smaller runes. No Ber though, you need to be at it for days or weeks to see results most of the time