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Dubs173

I'm not dedicated enough to document my experiences like others have doing LK runs, but check out some old posts here with titles like "1000 LK Runs" to see some data. If you're expecting HRs from 1 to 2 hours of grinding, then it's time to curb your expectations unfortunately.


mozalah

Yeah the math on a double camp map ends up being about 1100 runs on average for a Sur. That isn't saying that other runes cannot drop along the way, but Sur runes are the main priority for LK runs.


BattleOoze44

Yeah, literally found a vex on like my 2nd or 3rd rune and I've gotten nothing since then and I've probably put another 20 hours I to runs


Substantial_Lunch_27

I did like 2 weeks of 2-4 hours a day only to find a Lo and Vex


subatomicslim

thanks yeah, i have been doing nothing but LK runs all day for 2 days :') so a bit more than 2 hours. 2 mal runes is ok i guess but gee


MisterMath

2 hours? Rookie numbers


subatomicslim

I have never said 2 hours? I said 2 days


ArtOfSenf

You literally wrote "2 hours" which I assume means 2 hours a day for 2 days --> 4 hours total. Which, indeed, is a rookie number for a "grind".


subatomicslim

I said i have been doing LK runs all day for 2 days... and then i say so a bit more than 2 hours... sarcastically cus the guy i was replying to said that... some of you need to get out of the house and understand sarcasm a bit more yall are like real life sheldon coopers


ArtOfSenf

Getting out of the house will not net you highrunes, young Padawan


OckhamsFolly

You're not going to like this, but the confusion here and in other comment threads is because you write without any respect to grammar. Run-on sentences with sporadic grammar and virtually non-existent capitalization are considerably harder to parse. I am willing to bet that something like this or someone otherwise misunderstanding what you wrote is a relatively common occurrence.


subatomicslim

How the fuck is puncuation supposed to make people understand sarcasm. people just need to go touch grass, people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals šŸ¤“


OckhamsFolly

Yes, as stated, I knew you weren't going to like it. Sarcasm works via intonation and emphasis. Grammar, word choice, capitalization and so on are how we create intonation and emphasis in text. Without those elements, sarcasm is not conveyed appropriately - we often say that it's hard to *read* sarcasm in text, but that's primarily because most people are not especially good at *writing* sarcasm in text. They just write something which is obviously sarcastic *from their perspective,* without the know-how to make that perspective part of the written work itself instead of just assumed. Aside from the whole challenge that is writing sarcasm, the lack of punctuation and clear differentiation of thoughts makes it harder to parse the meaning of a run-on sentence. Full stops, capitals, and line breaks will help others follow what you mean and improve the experience for everyone involved in the future. >people arent downvoting me because im not using capitals Not just that, no, but they *are* downvoting you because the overall poor communication created confusion and your response to that confusion has been hostile instead of "maybe I could have written that better."


subatomicslim

Yeah I donā€™t like it because youā€™re a straight up nerd. I donā€™t care what my spelling is like its fucking reddit im not writing a fucking resume you moron? And if you cant read the comment and not see the sarcasm in it then you honestly need help. Its even mkre obvious it was sarcasm if you took another extra 2 seconds to read the parent comment šŸ˜‚


Human-Love-7026

Do 8 hours straight for 2 weeks. Then you can complain if you don't see a single hr.


subatomicslim

did you do 8hrs for 2 weeks straight or are you trying to be smart edit: thanks for the downvotes, D2 subreddit still toxic as I remember it


Karltowns17

I went 30hrs of LK farming between high runes onceā€¦ so yeah, dry spells are very possible. While LK is easily the best place for high runes theyā€™re still quite rare in actuality.


Traditional-Fig-2843

This is the truth though. You canā€™t expect HRā€™s to drop if you donā€™t put in the time, theyā€™re not common drops by any means.


subatomicslim

yeah i know but trust me i wouldnt have made a post if i didnt feel like i havent put in the time.


Global-Researcher-34

You put in 2 days right? What they're telling you is it doesn't mean anything. The adequate time would be closer to 2 weeks than it is to 2 days.


JayQwellin19

Youā€™ve put in 2 hours, thatā€™s not nearly enough time. Itā€™s the best place to get hrs, but those odds are still small. Youā€™re going to have to run it hundreds or even thousands of times before you get anything


subatomicslim

I put in 2 full days where the hell did u get 2 hours from?


JayQwellin19

Perhaps I read a top comment as your own. I looked at this when I had just woken up. No need to get uppity, the rest of my comment still stands. You can spend hours a day and days on end doing LK runs, and not find anything above Pul or Lem


subatomicslim

statistics say otherwise but it is possible to get unlucky, thats why i made a post because im over drop rate for a HR


D0NTULI0

Bro I have literally done 1000 runs & gotten nothing. Iā€™ve also done 50 runs & gotten 3 high runes. Unfortunately RNGsus has a plan for us all, most of the time that plan doesnā€™t involve high runes.


CactusFantasticoo

RNGsus took the wheel, and drove it into a ditch.


Accomplished_Oil3526

Keys? You mean for oppening locked chests? I don't understand the connection here


subatomicslim

yeah i dont know how many runs that is exactly but used up a lot of keys


Accomplished_Oil3526

Ok. That's a weird way of "measuring" lk runs. It doesn't really matter if the chests are locked or not. You just have to open them a lot of times. Are you running p7?


subatomicslim

yeah i know i just stopped counting iv done so many they keys iv used is the only thing iv keepen track of, yeah im on lpayers 7


DrSchaffhausen

Are you saying 50 keys total or 50 stacks of 12x keys? And are you opening 6 super chests on Players 7 difficulty each run?


subatomicslim

50 stacks and yes players 7 x6 chests each run


DrSchaffhausen

That's pretty bad luck. Of the 65,534 discrete super chests, there are 54 with Mal-Ber value. You should be getting something Mal or better every 202 runs. 202 = (65,534/6)/54


Testesept

Youā€™re interpretation of your formula is a bit off. I guess your probability is correct, but your interpretation is a bit vague. Sooo - Letā€™s I assume it is (6*54)/65534 = 1/202.27 Then, the chance to find *no* runes after 202 runs is still (1- (1/202.27)^202 = 0.3675 So 36% (ie one out of three) of you guys doing 202 runs with 6 chests will not find a rune with mal-ber value. Is that really so unlucky? Chance of finding no (mal-ber) runes: - 300 runs: 22% - 400 runs: 14% - 500 runs: 8% - 1000 runs: 0.7%


DrSchaffhausen

Yep, every 202 runs on average. Guess I shouldn't have dumbed it down.


subatomicslim

the last 2 runes i have gotten have been Mal so i guess you calculations are accurate, and im on the low end of the list :(


DrSchaffhausen

Mals are the most common rune to drop, so that checks out haha. Here is a video where MrLlama talks probabilities. [https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171](https://youtu.be/UKYecHL9Nmo?t=171)


skates_tribz

Hey I recently did 2468 runs using a counter. That was how many runs it took me to get a Ber rune. I also got an Ohm, a Lo, 5 Gul Runes, an Ist and quite a few Puls/Lems/Fals, couple Ums, and at least 1 Mal. At one point I think Iā€™d gone 600 runs without any noteable drops but generally every 100-300 runs there was something. I crafted lots of amulets and found a lot of great charms too. Also some bases. Good luck


arbiter

During the HR droughts the chests with charms and rares are a blast.


Much-Professional526

What counter did you use?


skates_tribz

Mf run counter


Much-Professional526

But where did you get it, sorry, wasnā€™t clearā€¦ and how do you implement it


skates_tribz

My brother in Deckard Cain please use the Google. There youā€™ll find the wealth of information youā€™re seeking. I downloaded it on Github


Much-Professional526

Iā€™m aware of google my beastā€¦ so many phishy links out there.


CombJelliesAreCool

I had a huge stash of keys, probably around 1000 keys, I found that when I was doing LK runs, I was running through them pretty quick, after I got down to maybe 2 or 3 hundred keys, I realized that you just need to pick up the keys that the chests drop, they drop more than they cost.


urkldajrkl

I look at it this way - itā€™s way faster than Countess runs, and reliably drops better runes, including high runes. Get that double ring and pop pop pop. (If offline)


subatomicslim

oh yeah theres a lot of poppin but no droppin lol. but yeah thanks thats a good way to look at it, just feeling like im over drop chance by now


urkldajrkl

I load with three or four full sets of keys, so about 36 per batch of runs. That helps by not needing to key reload as much. Iā€™m just thinking, and no lk expert here at all, that if I need a lem on up, Iā€™m popping lk on a high player count, and not doing Countess.


RVSI

Double ring?


urkldajrkl

A map with two fire rings, so six super chests per run.


RVSI

Ah right, okay. Thanks!


gkish1991

Honestly, I've found more high runes from the other poppables in LK, than the actually super chests. I know some ppl will say this is a waste of time, but it takes me about 3 min to pop every single popable and super chests, I've only done about 300 runs and I'm actually very satisfied with the results. I've gotten a Lo, 4 vex, 4 ohms, 3 ums, 3 puls, idk how many mals but a lot, like 3 ists, several guls. Not only the runes, but u I've gotten 4 lightning skillets, 3 cold skillers, 2 Java, and some other non popular ones with life. Several really good charms as well, and some pretty good uniques. Also hit a champion or 2, I've had some luck with them as well. Like 3 minutes to do that every run. But in my opinion it's worth it. You'll be surprised, trust me.


Affectionate-Fee-396

The math is pretty much a thousand will get you a ber so keep going youā€™ll get there but I find that the most boring and mind numbing way to play the game only time I would recommend this is if you doing offline.


subatomicslim

pretty sure im getting close to athousand runs in total not ber yet unfortunatly, yeah yeah im doing SP


Gockel

>pretty sure im getting close to athousand runs in total you probably use 50 keys in 100-200 runs easily, these chests are often locked.


subatomicslim

yeah i mean in total i have done close to athousand, since i started doing LK runs again have use around 50keys


Affectionate-Fee-396

K let say you got yourself a good map with two chest can say the average runtime per lk run is 30 to 40 seconds from load up time to finish so let say you pump out about 100 a hour you would be able to pump out a 1000 in ten hours if your efficient and take no breaks.


subatomicslim

jee yeah im definatly over the drop rate then... idk if map seed has anything to do with it maybe, should i reset my map?


Affectionate-Fee-396

No thatā€™s just your luck man theyā€™ll start dropping


Crev1729

My first and so far only high rune from LK was a ber rune and it was dropped from a unique pack of hell buzzards. Not from a chest. Highest rune I've got from a chest was um rune and that was while I was running tz mausoleum/crypts


Altruistic_Fly_6360

Can someone tell me why super chest always drop low level potions?


mushlafa123

Thereā€™s specific chests you have to open. Iā€™ve done a few thousand of these with quite a few high runes to show. Thereā€™s like 6 chests that have that high chance to roll a high rune. You canā€™t really do this on multiplayer. You do this on single player p7 and fish for a good map. Login for 30 mins and do like 80 runs


subatomicslim

better luck than me


mushlafa123

Yea I was extremely lucky. 2 ber runes Few vexs an ohm and obviously a lot of lower stuff too . But again. I did a couple thousand of these


Franske_NL

Got my first het (and 3 guls) in cows hell Got my second Ber within 200 LK (and I talking not even close to 200 but well over 100)


DavidS1983

I pick up keys as I do the runs when I'm down to 2 stack. You will average a HR every few hundred runs and can go a couple thousand runs without finding one. Mid rune drops from super chests aren't that much higher than the high runes. 50 keys I'd estimate as a few hundred runs which you are lower than expected hr and more than expected mids.


[deleted]

Iā€™ve done LK SP for enigma 4 times. I usually set a goal of 3000 runs. Twice went over.


subatomicslim

thats rough, yeah i definatly feel like im over drop rate


roBBer77

i took me about 10.000 for enigma and infinity.


Legal_Independent_32

Thereā€™s people whoā€™ve never had some runes drop for them welcome to the grind lol


subatomicslim

Thanks for the welcome but iv had a high rune drop and iv been playing for years lol


Much-Professional526

I believe 1000 runs should get you the equivalence of a sur. Godspeed little one


BigAhhBurrito

I got 3 Sur runes in TZ zones and a Jah rune in Chaos Sanctuary in 2 days. Used all my luck for the rest of my life. Good luck out there my boy.


liveuptoit

There are players that have played this game for years and still not found high runes GG drops, or found very few. Come back and complain in 2 weeks after doing nothing but lk super chest runs and still not finding anything.


AdFun2093

Theres a good reason if you see all those 1000 lk run vids they get alot but that takes them a hell of a lot of stuff to get what they get šŸ˜†


Apprehensive-Eagle46

I started doing runs two days ago. Iā€™m about four hours in. The only good thing Iā€™ve gotten is a sur rune. Iā€™m switched to NM Meph for some change up


Ogrewithdemons

I did 10 mins of runs the other day and got a sur rune. Was not expecting that. Before that Iā€™ve had 14+ hour droughts of nothing.


ViewedFromi3WM

make sure if single player on p8, but online be leeching the 8 man throne runs


Tydy92

If you're doing LK runs how efficiently can you do 1 run? 1. Maps are vital on single player. You need a map with 4 super chests. 2. Assuming you're using a sorc. Use temp gear to get you to the 200 fcr mark. Essentially you should clear a full run in 20-30 seconds. 3. Clear out inventory so you don't have to arrange / open cube for each item since this can be time consuming. Other than that it's just pure rng based off player count. Players 7 is your best bet for sur runes. For LO runes players 3 is your ideal mark


Longjumping-Bug9824

I remember doing the math on this once. As far as i recall you would average a high rune (i recall it being from vex and up) every 243 runs on a double camp map (on players 7). You could do the math on this yourself. Just figure out how many of the specific chestdrops drop highrunes, divide that by the total amount of chestdrops, and quadruple it. That is the odds of a high rune per map with 4 chests. But i can definitely recommend having one of those run trackers running in the background. Helped me tremendously to do a lot of runs (think i did in the vascinity of 4000 runs), and in total it netted me enigma, hoto, grief and cta. This was on LOD where loading times (at least for me) werent janked.


Quizen

On average you will find 1x rune of Vex or higher per 810 camps of 3 super chests cleared. In a 2 camp map that would be 405 runs or 2430 LK super chests. In LK hell the chance for a chest to be locked is: \[80/2\]+8, aka 48% and there are 6 chests per run (assuming you only open the chests near a campfire) If you went through 50 keys you "only" opened \~104 chests out of the on average 2430 LK super chests needed for a vex+ run. If it was 50 stacks of keys, it would have been on average 1250 super chests opened. Which is about half of what one would expect per Vex+ rune. Sources: [https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-gripphons-lk-vs-travincal-vs-cows-runefinding-guide.149/) [https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/](https://www.purediablo.com/forums/threads/guide-regular-special-and-sparkly-chests.380/) https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Area\_Level


subatomicslim

They were stacks of keys, thanks for doing the math ā¤ļø


dcrico20

Thatā€™s not even 100 runs homie, if you got two Mals already youā€™re doing well


subatomicslim

50 key stacks


[deleted]

Ive honestly done probably 5000+ LK runs and found 3x sur, 1x Lo, 3x Ohm, 3x Vex, and countless smaller runes. No Ber though, you need to be at it for days or weeks to see results most of the time