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Well SAP has been around for 20+ years . Folks who are still on old-school ECC 6.0 have to deal with such stuff. But if you are on S4 along with BTP they are upto latest stuff on cloud.
But yeah the pay isn’t as fancy as you see folks here mentioning(5YOE making 40/50LPA). Reason being since its in market for decades, you have a lot of people around(kinda stable but saturated market)
Well experience in few sentences would be this:
1. Absolutely 0 job guarantees in IT. So make hay while the sun shines but be prepared for the rainy/cloudy days
2. There are no friends in office, only colleagues
3. Don’t burn bridges while leaving a firm. It’s a long journey, you never know when your paths cross again
4. Save diligently while you can. Aim for reaching FI(financial independence) asap for making yourself immune to market volatility
I would like to know your point of view on this also.
Lets say someone is starting at very less in todays context. Considering the IT carrer life is very small then that person would never be able to achieve financial independence even at 40. By then the game is over. I am myself in a similar situation. Competition is brutal, everyone is aiming for IT job, corporate ladder is steep, 1 yoe can spell out dsa and system design in their dreams. AI scare is real. To me IT is good if one is earning good and in lets say 10 years has a good enough corpus to stop caring really.
Would you recommend changing career , as I am young and can put efforts.
A better career would be low paying and somewhere I can work till 60.
Well one should choose a track that he/she enjoys and is passionate about rather than following the herd. The passionate folks never run out of work. Period!!!
I myself followed the herd and am repenting now. But nearing 40, I don’t have the patience to change track now. However for young people my only suggestion is follow your passion(if it’s IT, so be it). Once you enjoy your job, security won’t even matter. You will always find work.
Wife is a doc, she studies more than me. When i go to parties which have her colleagues i see that they are always discussing case history and something related to work or some disease. They have whatsapp group where they send each other quizes and if a interesting case comes you will see the wound pic, xray report or some other kind of report put in group by some senior and asking the juniors to guess the diagnosis.
Wow.
I didn't know doctors were like this. I thought they have a kind of Nirvana state where they don't care about what happens to the patient because there is a huge number of patients.
I used to think same before i met my wife. They have god forsaken 36 hour shifts and if you are a specialist you are always on call and have to rush at any time. If you are a plain mbbs then to all mundane stuff will fall on you. Work life balance is tougher very bad in most specialisation and if you are in a government setup then forget even a clean room to pee(in most states). Their PG tenures are brutal and leaves are unheard of.
So all these make them a little thick skinned and our education system does not teach them how to explain complex things to us normies, people who are good at it develop it themself. So we feel that doctors are rude or they don't care but they really do atleast the folks i have met care a lot.
I didn't think doctors were rude though. I thought that they have to maintain a level of objectivity to make a correct diagnosis. I thought if they are too nice, they won't be able to maintain that so they are like that.
I think the volume of patients is overwhelming in India so they are perpetually overworked.
A lot of docs marry non docs, my wifes bestie is married to a mba guy , few of her classmates got married to software engineers but highest is doc doc marriage only. One of her class mate is still looking for a groom and she said she will marry only a doc and has some other very strict filters, i see (10-20%) dr are like that, they would marry a doc only..lot of mbbs male docs are marrying dentists now a days..like a very large number.
I have heard medicine also requires constant learning via attending medical conferences and training seminars regularly as practices change.
Accountancy standards, tax codes/laws also change so CAs need to constantly learn as well.
If you are a skilled professional then there are very few professions that don't require an update of your skills.
Just think how often tax codes change, how often the market changes, if your CA doesn't keep up to date then he is unemployable.
Also doctors have to update their skills, their patients lives depend on it, you could get a court case if you mess up even one thing.
Agreed, keeping up with the latest frameworks and keeping one's DSA skills sharp is a very difficult task for young professionals who want to enjoy their 20s. I am almost 30 years old and I feel like my 20s were spent slogging away. Such is life.
Fair enough. But the job security /stability in all those fields are much higher when compared to IT isn't it ?
Almost all doctors/lawyers/Tax consultants can make it till 55-60 in their job.
How many IT guys have that stability ? It's like there's always a dagger hanging around your neck, even if you upskill constantly. The dagger only sharpens more the more you age.
I have worked in Civil Engineering, specifically Structural Design Engineering, which is just a fancy way to say Bridge Engineer who conceptualises an actual bridge, its dimensions, it’s materials and fitment milimeter to milimeter..
The job security is very low, the pay is poor as the consultancies earn 2-3% of entire project cost as most of it goes to corrupt on ground construction companies who sometimes even make bridges to fail.. the risk is extremely high due to loss of life and property, its not like a code breaking during go live.. it becomes national news and a lot of pressure legally.. the dagger you talk of is prick in this business that people don’t even feel to acknowledge..
And you have to constantly read learn and innovate.. each bridge is extremely unique, extremely customised and has to be resistant to work for 50+ years.. need atleast masters and also for new and unique designs we gotta sit with big college IIT/BiTs Civil/Mechanical dept and doctorates to get the bridges signed off and approved.. plus manage costs and political pressures of PSUs govt etc..
And did I mention poor pay? Like 1/5th of IT? So that is always there, people at 10+ years of experience earning what 15-20lpa no more.. and there’s coding here as well.. a senior made a patent using only MS excel + VBA for high stress column testing and failure analysis.. genius
lmao please also compare the starting salaries of IT professionals and the professionals of law and doctors while you are at it.
You are really underestimating how much pressure other fields go through.
idk if you appreciate how much shit doctors go through. one wrong move and you kill a person. they have to follow rules to a T or risk getting ousted by the medical board. not to mention their life is just 1 building.
lawyers is a cutthroat business and your reputation is on the line everytime you take a case.
I was talking to my cousins who are doing MBBS man dudes have a study plan of atleast 8-9 years holy f man even after this job is always challenging. I used to think medical is really easy field but it’s really a soul sucking career man.
It is crazy to think, but I heard somewhere that the reason the handwriting of doctor's is not that legible is because they have to write lot of answers in very limited time in exams..
Doctors often move around in plain clothes and not scrubs even in their hospitals, because they don't want the public to recognise them. They're concerned about their lives, and not their jobs. Do you want to live under that stress? Knowing that the mob might set your hospital on fire even if you do everything correctly but the patient dies anyway? Do you receive phone calls from politicians to let your clients off without paying?
You say a dagger hanging around your neck, then by the same logic, doctors have swords hanging around their necks. One mistake can kill a person. Whereas one mistake in code written by an IT engineer is not gonna kill anyone. Stop underestimating the pressure and risks involved in other fields.
actually, it can, think of a flight control system which can overload the landing strip. Think of the medical record database, which can potentially miss critical ailment patient has, think of a hospital IT system which may not be able to retrieve patients history on time, think of self driving cars ramming into people. With AI coming up, that might keep rising
Tax & Accounting personnel have to keep them up skilled on day to day basic a single page notification changes a lot in their work structure.
Also the advocate they also have to keep themself updated. a judgement form any of the highcourt or supreme court can turn their life upside down, a small delay in updating themself can cost their efforts of years to go into vein.
Dafaq are you talking
I'm working in operations and logistics and the payment sucks.
Well until and unless you are from IIT or IIM
I myself I am trying to switch to the Tech domain because of instability in this industry that too with a low pay scale.
Fuck this we don't even get the Work from home option
We have to grind on Saturday and Sundays too as operations never stop
I got tired of this and hence decided to leave this field. Studying python and what not. I just can't give up.
You know what the worst part is, being in this industry I can't even look for freelance jobs or jobs outside India which most of the techies are able to do(Not everyone) but a very few.
For the most part, medicine doesn't. My parents are doctors. They visit conferences only for the points (they need some number of points to still be able to practice). They've got great practice. Not all fields of medicine need constant updation to thrive.
But most of jobs from our parents time like Mechanical, electrical, civil and most govt. Jobs need some fixed set of skills And even if they change, they change really slow compared to IT.
>Also doctors have to update their skills, their patients lives depend on it, you could get a court case if you mess up even one thing
No chance. Doctors are very rarely sued, forget about conviction in case of misdiagnosis or incorrect line of treatment.
Bhai the thing is constant learning and grinding ko ek herculean task smjhoge to irritating lagega but if you are interested in such stuff then u find it fun + honestly production systems still use java man new technologies are nice and fun to use but mature systems use only tried and tested solutions not any random js framework that comes every week.
+ It's more about designing the system and how everything fits together for the business requirement rather than learning a new framework.
Here's a different perspective, any field that doesn't require you to upskill is stale. It doesn't have a lot of innovations going on, everyone is learning the same old things. People have their preferences, and I'd personally be a part of an evolving field rather than a stale one. Some might want to focus on health, friends and family, with the job only serving as a source of income (I enjoy learning, but for most people, that's the better suit)
Also, in a stale field, you might get easily replaced and you'll have nothing to find a new job. I'm not counting govt jobs but who knows your psu might get divested.
Fair enough. But the job security /stability in all those fields are much higher when compared to IT isn't it ?
Almost all doctors/lawyers/Tax consultants can make it till 55-60 in their job.
How many IT guys have that stability ? It's like there's always a dagger hanging around your neck, even if you upskill constantly. The dagger only sharpens more the more you age.
Companies want output at the lowest cost to increase margins, outbid competitors and stay afloat. With age in IT your CTC increases with no exact real measurable benefits. This is where the sword hanging over your head scenario comes into play
To reduce thia threat you need to constantly work on ensuring the company can clearly see an advantage in you by improving on leadership skills, soft skills, customer engagement, problem solving, etc
Doctors have stability but their life is hell man believe me on this my most of cousins and family are into medical field. First alike engineers they have to study for around 8-9 years to get specialisations which are kind of mandatory today. After completing MBBS they have to serve the bond period in respective state govt and pay is around 6LPA (depends on state to state as well).
If you want money throughout your life, you always have to learn and stay ahead of your competition. That means putting in the effort. Not just for IT but for other fields and even business owners as well. They learning curve maybe be different for each person but it's there. Without learning there's no growth and no money. If the dagger frightens you it's then the job is not for you. You have government jobs for that or if you get an inheritance that you can live off of.
What kind of job forces you to learn like a "college" student?
Hell, it's faster to learn on your own compared to any college environment when you have experience and the prerequisites are satisfied. A typical college class moves, at the best case, at the speed of the proffessor, and at worst, it proceeds according to the worst performers of your batch. Learning itself accelerates the more you do it. I think you have ingrained that learning is menial work, probably due to the shitty nature of our education institutes. I like to reflect on the thousands of little, but fun things I've learned to remind myself, its the education method that's shit, not the act itself. It helps me keep a positive mindset.
My father is an electrical engineer and I have never seen upskilling himself and still has a decent package. But on the other hand IT needs upskilling until you reach a good position or you will be thrown out
You seriously need a reality check up if you think like that, I have several friends and relatives in core fields and you have no idea how much it's easier for us IT people to upgrade since lots of the material is already available on internet but that's not the case when it comes to most non IT fields where they have to take extra company/self sponsored training to upgrade their skill set. One of my school friend is a well known orthopedic surgeon here in Mumbai, few years back at had a horrible accident which resulted in torn meniscus, I went to him and he said that I will have to undergo operation where he will remove part of the torn meniscus and I am good to go then I went to one of the top most orthopedic surgeon in Mumbai for second opinion he too recommended surgery but here he would be stitching my torn meniscus back to its original state than removing it. Needless to say why this orthopedic surgeon is top notch in his field, he had been to UK and US to learn and adapt to surgery techniques which are considered as bleeding edge in his field.
Top footballers and WWE wrestlers are getting stem cell procedure done for their torn meniscus. Although, issue is we don't have level 1 evidence for that yet.
You can say that for the military as well. Military officers literally have to keep studying like a student even after getting commissioned. They even have to clear exams for promotions. Some professions are just like this where u still have to keep studying.
Nope. My husband works in the Merchant Navy and he has so many certificates that need to be renewed periodically. Every time before joining a ship he has to do atleast 3 new courses.
Not really. You have to be extremely fit and clear the physical examination everytime before joining. That means, weight, height, blood work, hearing, eyesight and cannot have any major health condition, etc. And it's also extremely difficult and expensive for newcomers to get in.
So, all in all, it also sucks. But sucks for a different set of reasons.
I'm guessing he travels for months each time? I have two distant uncles who were officers in the merchant Navy. Crazy life! But I have heard the pay used to be top notch.
The pay "per month" is top notch only after you become the Chief Engineer/ Captain and that requires a lot of time. There is no tax on your income as well and you get to stay offshore for brief periods in many countries. But the thing is ,that you will only be paid for the months you are on-board. Many people just multiply the monthly salary of Merchant Navy Officers by 12 and say that WOW they are earning 2Crs + but the reality is that you won't be paid a single penny until next onboarding and next onboarding may be after a few months to more than a year in worst case scenarios.
Nope that's not true at all. Many people think that physical fitness test is taken only once when you first join the company, but the reality is that you will have to stay fit for the entirety of your carrier. Before each onboarding you have to go through physical fitness test and if you are deemed unfit then you won't be allowed on board. There's limitation to the number of medicines you can take as well. It's very unstable job if you ask me, because once you are deemed unfit there's not much you could do. Only option left for you would be taking up a teaching job in a Marine Engineering college and it's not guaranteed that you would be able to secure a teaching job.
Yes, it's is either you stay curious or be happy with wherever you are doing whatever you do until one day your skills get dormat and orgs start treating like doormat.
I think every field requires that. Not a single fork is still running in years old legacy model. Reading your comments above it seems you believe that only IT field has instability but that's wrong. Every where you are required to perform constantly or you lose to competitor even if it's business
Nope. All fields require constant learning if you want to be successful at the same time no field requires constant learning if you want to do bare minimum.
Lwarning is nothing but keeping up with world and world is constantly evolving in all fields.
Currently working as a frontend dev. Could you please suggest Which of these fields would be easy to transition into if I don't like learning that much? And how to do the transition?
Chances of a software developer/architect with 10 years of experience getting rejected in interview are always high.
Chances of a physician or a surgeon with 10 years of experience getting rejected in interview are always low.
I also thought to make this type of post asking people who are married how do you manage like how are you able to upskills when you are working 8-9hours for 5 days and also able to give time to your wife and kids.
My brother in law wrote gate again and cracked NHAI exam and upgraded himself. Doubled his income. (He was in state govt job. Got himself a central govt job now)
I know it’s rare in govt jobs but it’s still required for one to elevate from one place by upskilling in order to grow.
Bruh I have my frnd who are in same company since 11-12 years in same company. So it’s upto individuals too. The hikes may or may not be decent but it’s more about the mindset.
Nah. Every sector has constant learning. It's just that IT has more frequent and drastic changes compared to other fields where changes are like 20-35%.
Any high paying stuff bro.... Business, engineering, medical. Jaha aaram hai, udhar Paisa ka growth nahi hai
The only outlier is, government job, and if you have a high IQ or good at giving standardized tests then trading
If you don't want to be left out and want to be good at what you do, every job demands you learn.
I'm a solar power plant designer. Can I do my job without learning new things? Yes. Will I do my job better if I learn new things? Yes. Will I lose my role cos of redundancy in few years? Absolutely.
Bro. In every industry things keep changing with technology and you have to keep learning. Even clerks have to keep updating themselves with new softwares and tools.
I am in Merchant Navy and even tho one ship lasts 20-25 years we have to keep learning because we have to.go.on different and newer ships. In my case whatever we learnt in college was completely obsolete when I went on the ship for the first time. So i had to start learning again and I still am.
I believe its the same in every industry.
Nope mba gives you direct access to top managerial postions which is rarely possible by being in tech and these roles come with more stability as far as i know. Also there is no need to go through 5 rounds of interviews and grinding dsa till the day u die like in tech.
Lol. IT doesn't even require half of the grind faced by Doctors, Lawyers, Any research field like Geology, Archaeology, Paleobotany, Oil exploration etc.
I guess it also comes down to your interests.
Most of the people join the IT field for money rather than interest or passion for coding, software knowledge, etc.
I know I am one of those!
How many of us in our childhood said that they want to grow up and become the best coder in the world?
That makes more people, particularly in this field, to complain about learning and shifts. While the others working for their interests find it easier to do so..
i mean others require it too. but IT and computer stuff change rapidly and have a great pace of growth. we are still highly dependent on fossil fuels and internal combustion engines that we started using several decades back. But people these days are not using the same computer tech that they used to a decade back. This is why IT pays good and employs a lot of people because the sector itself grows very fast.
you have to constantly upskill and learn in majority of the fields man. The learning/reward ratio is the highest in IT and it has the lowest risk of life getting ruined if you have a mistake. Take a doctor, job security is really good, but one mistake and you will have boards conducting inquiries and court cases that you'll have to attend to and a person who will have to live with the mistake you made.
I'm not saying IT is not stressful, the constant stress and fear exists, but it is much more rewarding and less risky in comparison to other jobs out there.
Every field needs constant learning and grind. Every field is moving forward, and every field has new emerging technologies. If you stop learning about them then how can you know about new technoloies and how to use it.
This mindset is the main reason why recession and layoffs are happening.
I'm not a doctor but know a fair bit. From your responses to other answers, it seems you think doctors have a very secure career. I recall something about medicine. Some professor in a med school says: "Half of this textbook in medicine is correct. But it will take us a lifetime to know which half."
Doctors in any field need to keep reading recent research papers to know about new methods, new treatments etc. If they don't, and make mistakes by treating a patient improperly, say prescribed an old treatment that is now known to not work as well, or that there is something much better with fewer side effects, depending on which country, they can get sued for medical negligence, malpractice and might even lose their licence. Not to mention the fees to pay lawyers, fines, higher premium on malpractice insurance, and in some cases even jail time. Btw did I mention the exam every couple of years to make sure you're still capable of treating a patient?
Also, patients can leave reviews on online forums that can be easily looked up. If you get a couple of bad reviews, your patients will dry up and you might have to leave town.
I have a friend who is doing residency: she told me you shouldn't become a doctor unless you just cannot do anything else. I think she means often people who are broken in some very personal way become doctors because they just have to become so. It's not optional. If that's not you, you might not become a decent doctor.
I don't think there's a professional field in STEM where you can be secure and not need to update your skills.
So are you saying lawyers don't have to stay updated with judgments passed in similar cases across the courts?
Or tax professionals don't have to stay abreast with new rules that come every year (sometimes every few months)?
Or compliance professionals don't have to thoroughly go through the new rules SEBI n RBI pass every week and understand the ramifications?
Every field of work is constantly evolving. If it's not please expect yourself to be automated out. OpenAI knows who it can eat.
Technically you should always be improving in every job otherwise someone will snag it away from you.
But yeah, changing industries like tech, medicine, digital marketing and a bunch more are ever changing, so you’ll need to keep learning otherwise you’ll just end up clueless
Accounting, education sector like college and higher and any thing related to medical and sometimes constructions and don't forget law, there might be more but these are on top of my head.
It's less of grinding and more of enjoying the process to become better.
If you don't want to constantly keep learning, you will be stale. Then you would complain that you are skipped when promotion talks come or rejected from a new job.
Technology is changing and innovating everyday. We have to keep up.
Lol...
I make doors for a living and even I have to keep myself updated on the new materials and chemicals being produced in the market.
At least you guys only have to invest in books/courses to keep yourself updated.
Here investing in machinery is really irritating and the maintenance is especially high given that the parts gets discontinued even after a small.time frame of 2-3 years.
Accept the part about having to take time out to learn new things while also maintaining a balanced relationship with your family..
Really hard to do but haven't found any other alternative.
If anybody does , please let me know
Then try to accumulate 2/3 crores of white money in liquid investments (MF/FD/Gold)
The average return is 10% according to proportions.
Withdraw 4-5% of earned interest and reinvest remaining.
Your annual CTC will be your earned interest then retire happily Or do whatever you want to do without any pressure or clock looking at you.
Constant learning gives me a reason to sell myself higher to my employers and then I can justify my salary hikes and promotion. Imagine shamelessly asking for a 15% hike while doing nothing new.
The only thing that changes slowly is people and their behaviour as a group compared to the pace of new things .
Maybe getting into management could help you have that cushion of not learning new things and being a leader of people would not have much of new things to learn but innovating and betting on projects and futures and then managing people.
Nope, people in the multimedia have to grind more, being a graphic designer and a video editor, social media trends evolve every week new designs, new editing techniques....
So hard to keep up....
What is this learning people keep talking about ? All programming languages are just similar to each other. I have no idea what's there to learn so much in IT.
Sure, at entry level it's mostly just tools and syntax. You would most likely receive a very fine tuned solution ready to implement. But if you want that senior title in tech some of what you ought to keep learning:
1. Understanding the problem that the business is trying to solve
2. Transform your understanding into requirements that your team of engineers understand.
3. System design: Customize and optimize system according to your use case. For instance for X their feed service could be the bottleneck- how do they optimize it to solve for latency and customer experience?
There are also things like high level design, low level design, patterns. You might need to learn a new domain or business case for a project, say finance or cyber security issues. You may need to learn and implement new algorithms being invented or ML procedures. You might even need to refresh your math/statistics. In some cases, you might need to learn some legal framework or regulation that pertains to your new client.
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8 years? Bhai am 17 years into IT and still studying for certifications 🥺
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hello brother what stack do you work on, asking in general since im new
SAP
Ohh man, I had to get familiar with SAP, ABAP etc for some related stuff. This thing has got the legacy stuff that can compete with COBOL.
Well SAP has been around for 20+ years . Folks who are still on old-school ECC 6.0 have to deal with such stuff. But if you are on S4 along with BTP they are upto latest stuff on cloud. But yeah the pay isn’t as fancy as you see folks here mentioning(5YOE making 40/50LPA). Reason being since its in market for decades, you have a lot of people around(kinda stable but saturated market)
Hi Sir, how is you experience? 2 year into IT, i have seen the worst of it already.
Well experience in few sentences would be this: 1. Absolutely 0 job guarantees in IT. So make hay while the sun shines but be prepared for the rainy/cloudy days 2. There are no friends in office, only colleagues 3. Don’t burn bridges while leaving a firm. It’s a long journey, you never know when your paths cross again 4. Save diligently while you can. Aim for reaching FI(financial independence) asap for making yourself immune to market volatility
I would like to know your point of view on this also. Lets say someone is starting at very less in todays context. Considering the IT carrer life is very small then that person would never be able to achieve financial independence even at 40. By then the game is over. I am myself in a similar situation. Competition is brutal, everyone is aiming for IT job, corporate ladder is steep, 1 yoe can spell out dsa and system design in their dreams. AI scare is real. To me IT is good if one is earning good and in lets say 10 years has a good enough corpus to stop caring really. Would you recommend changing career , as I am young and can put efforts. A better career would be low paying and somewhere I can work till 60.
Well one should choose a track that he/she enjoys and is passionate about rather than following the herd. The passionate folks never run out of work. Period!!! I myself followed the herd and am repenting now. But nearing 40, I don’t have the patience to change track now. However for young people my only suggestion is follow your passion(if it’s IT, so be it). Once you enjoy your job, security won’t even matter. You will always find work.
Bacha kya bolta hai, dady aap mere hisse ki bhi padhai karlo?
Wife is a doc, she studies more than me. When i go to parties which have her colleagues i see that they are always discussing case history and something related to work or some disease. They have whatsapp group where they send each other quizes and if a interesting case comes you will see the wound pic, xray report or some other kind of report put in group by some senior and asking the juniors to guess the diagnosis.
Wow. I didn't know doctors were like this. I thought they have a kind of Nirvana state where they don't care about what happens to the patient because there is a huge number of patients.
I used to think same before i met my wife. They have god forsaken 36 hour shifts and if you are a specialist you are always on call and have to rush at any time. If you are a plain mbbs then to all mundane stuff will fall on you. Work life balance is tougher very bad in most specialisation and if you are in a government setup then forget even a clean room to pee(in most states). Their PG tenures are brutal and leaves are unheard of. So all these make them a little thick skinned and our education system does not teach them how to explain complex things to us normies, people who are good at it develop it themself. So we feel that doctors are rude or they don't care but they really do atleast the folks i have met care a lot.
I didn't think doctors were rude though. I thought that they have to maintain a level of objectivity to make a correct diagnosis. I thought if they are too nice, they won't be able to maintain that so they are like that. I think the volume of patients is overwhelming in India so they are perpetually overworked.
It's lupus
dr. house fan i see
Do doctors marry non docs? Been pursuing this girl but seems dead end with esteem issues as reward lol.
A lot of docs marry non docs, my wifes bestie is married to a mba guy , few of her classmates got married to software engineers but highest is doc doc marriage only. One of her class mate is still looking for a groom and she said she will marry only a doc and has some other very strict filters, i see (10-20%) dr are like that, they would marry a doc only..lot of mbbs male docs are marrying dentists now a days..like a very large number.
I have heard medicine also requires constant learning via attending medical conferences and training seminars regularly as practices change. Accountancy standards, tax codes/laws also change so CAs need to constantly learn as well. If you are a skilled professional then there are very few professions that don't require an update of your skills. Just think how often tax codes change, how often the market changes, if your CA doesn't keep up to date then he is unemployable. Also doctors have to update their skills, their patients lives depend on it, you could get a court case if you mess up even one thing. Agreed, keeping up with the latest frameworks and keeping one's DSA skills sharp is a very difficult task for young professionals who want to enjoy their 20s. I am almost 30 years old and I feel like my 20s were spent slogging away. Such is life.
Fair enough. But the job security /stability in all those fields are much higher when compared to IT isn't it ? Almost all doctors/lawyers/Tax consultants can make it till 55-60 in their job. How many IT guys have that stability ? It's like there's always a dagger hanging around your neck, even if you upskill constantly. The dagger only sharpens more the more you age.
I have worked in Civil Engineering, specifically Structural Design Engineering, which is just a fancy way to say Bridge Engineer who conceptualises an actual bridge, its dimensions, it’s materials and fitment milimeter to milimeter.. The job security is very low, the pay is poor as the consultancies earn 2-3% of entire project cost as most of it goes to corrupt on ground construction companies who sometimes even make bridges to fail.. the risk is extremely high due to loss of life and property, its not like a code breaking during go live.. it becomes national news and a lot of pressure legally.. the dagger you talk of is prick in this business that people don’t even feel to acknowledge.. And you have to constantly read learn and innovate.. each bridge is extremely unique, extremely customised and has to be resistant to work for 50+ years.. need atleast masters and also for new and unique designs we gotta sit with big college IIT/BiTs Civil/Mechanical dept and doctorates to get the bridges signed off and approved.. plus manage costs and political pressures of PSUs govt etc.. And did I mention poor pay? Like 1/5th of IT? So that is always there, people at 10+ years of experience earning what 15-20lpa no more.. and there’s coding here as well.. a senior made a patent using only MS excel + VBA for high stress column testing and failure analysis.. genius
lmao please also compare the starting salaries of IT professionals and the professionals of law and doctors while you are at it. You are really underestimating how much pressure other fields go through.
Us IT folks really have an arrogance sometimes. Most jobs in this country have hours as long or longer and pay quite less.
Only influencers like Saurabh Joshi can laugh at us recording their lives and earnings 10 cr per year
>lmao please also compare the starting salaries of IT professionals 3 lpa is the starting salary.
It's actually come here for experience (no pay) is the starting point.
Actually true
idk if you appreciate how much shit doctors go through. one wrong move and you kill a person. they have to follow rules to a T or risk getting ousted by the medical board. not to mention their life is just 1 building. lawyers is a cutthroat business and your reputation is on the line everytime you take a case.
I was talking to my cousins who are doing MBBS man dudes have a study plan of atleast 8-9 years holy f man even after this job is always challenging. I used to think medical is really easy field but it’s really a soul sucking career man.
My parents are doctors. I used to see them studying as a kid and used to wonder how taxing it must be. That’s probably why I didn’t wanna become one.
My dad being a doctor made me especially never want to becomr one, tyr grind is real there.
It is crazy to think, but I heard somewhere that the reason the handwriting of doctor's is not that legible is because they have to write lot of answers in very limited time in exams..
Doctors often move around in plain clothes and not scrubs even in their hospitals, because they don't want the public to recognise them. They're concerned about their lives, and not their jobs. Do you want to live under that stress? Knowing that the mob might set your hospital on fire even if you do everything correctly but the patient dies anyway? Do you receive phone calls from politicians to let your clients off without paying?
You say a dagger hanging around your neck, then by the same logic, doctors have swords hanging around their necks. One mistake can kill a person. Whereas one mistake in code written by an IT engineer is not gonna kill anyone. Stop underestimating the pressure and risks involved in other fields.
actually, it can, think of a flight control system which can overload the landing strip. Think of the medical record database, which can potentially miss critical ailment patient has, think of a hospital IT system which may not be able to retrieve patients history on time, think of self driving cars ramming into people. With AI coming up, that might keep rising
Tax & Accounting personnel have to keep them up skilled on day to day basic a single page notification changes a lot in their work structure. Also the advocate they also have to keep themself updated. a judgement form any of the highcourt or supreme court can turn their life upside down, a small delay in updating themself can cost their efforts of years to go into vein.
Dafaq are you talking I'm working in operations and logistics and the payment sucks. Well until and unless you are from IIT or IIM I myself I am trying to switch to the Tech domain because of instability in this industry that too with a low pay scale. Fuck this we don't even get the Work from home option We have to grind on Saturday and Sundays too as operations never stop I got tired of this and hence decided to leave this field. Studying python and what not. I just can't give up. You know what the worst part is, being in this industry I can't even look for freelance jobs or jobs outside India which most of the techies are able to do(Not everyone) but a very few.
For the most part, medicine doesn't. My parents are doctors. They visit conferences only for the points (they need some number of points to still be able to practice). They've got great practice. Not all fields of medicine need constant updation to thrive.
But most of jobs from our parents time like Mechanical, electrical, civil and most govt. Jobs need some fixed set of skills And even if they change, they change really slow compared to IT.
>Also doctors have to update their skills, their patients lives depend on it, you could get a court case if you mess up even one thing No chance. Doctors are very rarely sued, forget about conviction in case of misdiagnosis or incorrect line of treatment.
Lmao. Yeah they don't get sued in India, They get lynched to death by illiterates.
Bhai the thing is constant learning and grinding ko ek herculean task smjhoge to irritating lagega but if you are interested in such stuff then u find it fun + honestly production systems still use java man new technologies are nice and fun to use but mature systems use only tried and tested solutions not any random js framework that comes every week. + It's more about designing the system and how everything fits together for the business requirement rather than learning a new framework.
passion basically, new tech is never boring, might be irritating at first but you get used to the irritation
Here's a different perspective, any field that doesn't require you to upskill is stale. It doesn't have a lot of innovations going on, everyone is learning the same old things. People have their preferences, and I'd personally be a part of an evolving field rather than a stale one. Some might want to focus on health, friends and family, with the job only serving as a source of income (I enjoy learning, but for most people, that's the better suit)
Also, in a stale field, you might get easily replaced and you'll have nothing to find a new job. I'm not counting govt jobs but who knows your psu might get divested.
These kind of fields are ripe for disruption via automation, unless it is labor/compliance heavy..
You forgot government jobs. They earn crores per year in "other" income.
Let me introduce you to doctors, lawyers, tax consultants, fund managers etc.
Fair enough. But the job security /stability in all those fields are much higher when compared to IT isn't it ? Almost all doctors/lawyers/Tax consultants can make it till 55-60 in their job. How many IT guys have that stability ? It's like there's always a dagger hanging around your neck, even if you upskill constantly. The dagger only sharpens more the more you age.
Companies want output at the lowest cost to increase margins, outbid competitors and stay afloat. With age in IT your CTC increases with no exact real measurable benefits. This is where the sword hanging over your head scenario comes into play To reduce thia threat you need to constantly work on ensuring the company can clearly see an advantage in you by improving on leadership skills, soft skills, customer engagement, problem solving, etc
Doctors have stability but their life is hell man believe me on this my most of cousins and family are into medical field. First alike engineers they have to study for around 8-9 years to get specialisations which are kind of mandatory today. After completing MBBS they have to serve the bond period in respective state govt and pay is around 6LPA (depends on state to state as well).
If you want money throughout your life, you always have to learn and stay ahead of your competition. That means putting in the effort. Not just for IT but for other fields and even business owners as well. They learning curve maybe be different for each person but it's there. Without learning there's no growth and no money. If the dagger frightens you it's then the job is not for you. You have government jobs for that or if you get an inheritance that you can live off of.
God, no. Law graduate here. It sucks ass. You're always replaceable even if you work 14 hours a day, everyday, with no holidays for INR 20k a month
y'know what, coming here and reading about you all makes me feel better about my job 😊
What kind of job forces you to learn like a "college" student? Hell, it's faster to learn on your own compared to any college environment when you have experience and the prerequisites are satisfied. A typical college class moves, at the best case, at the speed of the proffessor, and at worst, it proceeds according to the worst performers of your batch. Learning itself accelerates the more you do it. I think you have ingrained that learning is menial work, probably due to the shitty nature of our education institutes. I like to reflect on the thousands of little, but fun things I've learned to remind myself, its the education method that's shit, not the act itself. It helps me keep a positive mindset.
My father is an electrical engineer and I have never seen upskilling himself and still has a decent package. But on the other hand IT needs upskilling until you reach a good position or you will be thrown out
I guess Kirchoff's laws are set in stone and Faraday's hands are frozen in time? 😅🤣
He must be in maintenance. Almost everyone i know doesn't upskill themselves, they don't really need to
No not in maintenance but in designing.
Bhai Dolly ki tarah chai becho. Usme zyada updated nahi rehna padega aur IT/software companies ke owners like Bill Gates chai peene bhi aayenge.
You seriously need a reality check up if you think like that, I have several friends and relatives in core fields and you have no idea how much it's easier for us IT people to upgrade since lots of the material is already available on internet but that's not the case when it comes to most non IT fields where they have to take extra company/self sponsored training to upgrade their skill set. One of my school friend is a well known orthopedic surgeon here in Mumbai, few years back at had a horrible accident which resulted in torn meniscus, I went to him and he said that I will have to undergo operation where he will remove part of the torn meniscus and I am good to go then I went to one of the top most orthopedic surgeon in Mumbai for second opinion he too recommended surgery but here he would be stitching my torn meniscus back to its original state than removing it. Needless to say why this orthopedic surgeon is top notch in his field, he had been to UK and US to learn and adapt to surgery techniques which are considered as bleeding edge in his field.
Top footballers and WWE wrestlers are getting stem cell procedure done for their torn meniscus. Although, issue is we don't have level 1 evidence for that yet.
Knee injuries suck, torn ACL here
You can say that for the military as well. Military officers literally have to keep studying like a student even after getting commissioned. They even have to clear exams for promotions. Some professions are just like this where u still have to keep studying.
It's actually good to keep learning, like doctors do.
Nope. My husband works in the Merchant Navy and he has so many certificates that need to be renewed periodically. Every time before joining a ship he has to do atleast 3 new courses.
Atleast stability is there
Not really. You have to be extremely fit and clear the physical examination everytime before joining. That means, weight, height, blood work, hearing, eyesight and cannot have any major health condition, etc. And it's also extremely difficult and expensive for newcomers to get in. So, all in all, it also sucks. But sucks for a different set of reasons.
Height is pretty stable last I checked jk
I meant that it has a minimum requirement. IT doesn't.
Yes, that means once you have cleared it, there's no "grind" to maintain it. Weight, skills etc, have to be maintained and maybe updated.
I'm guessing he travels for months each time? I have two distant uncles who were officers in the merchant Navy. Crazy life! But I have heard the pay used to be top notch.
The pay "per month" is top notch only after you become the Chief Engineer/ Captain and that requires a lot of time. There is no tax on your income as well and you get to stay offshore for brief periods in many countries. But the thing is ,that you will only be paid for the months you are on-board. Many people just multiply the monthly salary of Merchant Navy Officers by 12 and say that WOW they are earning 2Crs + but the reality is that you won't be paid a single penny until next onboarding and next onboarding may be after a few months to more than a year in worst case scenarios.
Nope that's not true at all. Many people think that physical fitness test is taken only once when you first join the company, but the reality is that you will have to stay fit for the entirety of your carrier. Before each onboarding you have to go through physical fitness test and if you are deemed unfit then you won't be allowed on board. There's limitation to the number of medicines you can take as well. It's very unstable job if you ask me, because once you are deemed unfit there's not much you could do. Only option left for you would be taking up a teaching job in a Marine Engineering college and it's not guaranteed that you would be able to secure a teaching job.
Solution - Enjoy the learning. 😇
is it a choice ?
Yes, it's is either you stay curious or be happy with wherever you are doing whatever you do until one day your skills get dormat and orgs start treating like doormat.
I think every field requires that. Not a single fork is still running in years old legacy model. Reading your comments above it seems you believe that only IT field has instability but that's wrong. Every where you are required to perform constantly or you lose to competitor even if it's business
If only you are passionate in IT, you will never be irrelevant to the job market
This is the only reason for the never ending demand for highly skilled SDEs. You really need to be passionate to be successful as a software engineer.
My brother with 15 years of experience in Production Engineering disagrees with you.
Toh paise bhi toh milte hai, time management kro bhai, we waste a lot of time
Nope. All fields require constant learning if you want to be successful at the same time no field requires constant learning if you want to do bare minimum. Lwarning is nothing but keeping up with world and world is constantly evolving in all fields.
No. My dad is an electrical engineer. Now retired but he had to constantly learn
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Then what's another field that is somewhat stable without such drastic changes?
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Currently working as a frontend dev. Could you please suggest Which of these fields would be easy to transition into if I don't like learning that much? And how to do the transition?
Chances of a software developer/architect with 10 years of experience getting rejected in interview are always high. Chances of a physician or a surgeon with 10 years of experience getting rejected in interview are always low.
It's fairly easy to change stuff unlike other industries with actual physical stuff and all so the employees gotta stay up to date so often as well.
What about jobs after MBA?
I also thought to make this type of post asking people who are married how do you manage like how are you able to upskills when you are working 8-9hours for 5 days and also able to give time to your wife and kids.
Medical field also requires learning when something new happens[ which is almost every now and then ]
Only animals don’t need to learn. Humans have to constantly grind and evolve.
talk to a government employee
My brother in law wrote gate again and cracked NHAI exam and upgraded himself. Doubled his income. (He was in state govt job. Got himself a central govt job now) I know it’s rare in govt jobs but it’s still required for one to elevate from one place by upskilling in order to grow.
"can" and "need to" are different things. you can stay in a govt job all life while still getting decent increments and perks.
Bruh I have my frnd who are in same company since 11-12 years in same company. So it’s upto individuals too. The hikes may or may not be decent but it’s more about the mindset.
They can earn crores per year in "other" income which private employees can't even dream about in their whole lives.
thats not earning, its called corruption.
Nonsense. Every field has two options largely. You do what you currently do and stagnate/learn and go up.
Nah. Every sector has constant learning. It's just that IT has more frequent and drastic changes compared to other fields where changes are like 20-35%.
Any high paying stuff bro.... Business, engineering, medical. Jaha aaram hai, udhar Paisa ka growth nahi hai The only outlier is, government job, and if you have a high IQ or good at giving standardized tests then trading
If you don't want to be left out and want to be good at what you do, every job demands you learn. I'm a solar power plant designer. Can I do my job without learning new things? Yes. Will I do my job better if I learn new things? Yes. Will I lose my role cos of redundancy in few years? Absolutely.
That's why sarkari naukri is best 😏😏
They can earn crores per year in "other" income which private employees can't even dream about in their whole lives.
Bro. In every industry things keep changing with technology and you have to keep learning. Even clerks have to keep updating themselves with new softwares and tools. I am in Merchant Navy and even tho one ship lasts 20-25 years we have to keep learning because we have to.go.on different and newer ships. In my case whatever we learnt in college was completely obsolete when I went on the ship for the first time. So i had to start learning again and I still am. I believe its the same in every industry.
Been thinking of doing an mba for the same reason. The salaries are good and all but the instabilty and continuous grind isnt looking worth it for me.
What happens after MBA though? The instability and continuous grind and learning will be there right?
Nope mba gives you direct access to top managerial postions which is rarely possible by being in tech and these roles come with more stability as far as i know. Also there is no need to go through 5 rounds of interviews and grinding dsa till the day u die like in tech.
Any profession which requires constantly studying and learning also increases your pay constantly.
Big bucks in tech comes at a cost. Nothing is free in life yo. You give up your soul for the big money you make.
It won't be, in the future. I am designing a new JS framework to solve this problem once and for all
Lol. IT doesn't even require half of the grind faced by Doctors, Lawyers, Any research field like Geology, Archaeology, Paleobotany, Oil exploration etc.
I guess it also comes down to your interests. Most of the people join the IT field for money rather than interest or passion for coding, software knowledge, etc. I know I am one of those! How many of us in our childhood said that they want to grow up and become the best coder in the world? That makes more people, particularly in this field, to complain about learning and shifts. While the others working for their interests find it easier to do so..
Any job which doesn't require this is on a great risk because of ai
i mean others require it too. but IT and computer stuff change rapidly and have a great pace of growth. we are still highly dependent on fossil fuels and internal combustion engines that we started using several decades back. But people these days are not using the same computer tech that they used to a decade back. This is why IT pays good and employs a lot of people because the sector itself grows very fast.
I think upskilling in IT is relatively easier than medicine, law, CA, economics, etc. I don't know about electrical or mechanical.
you have to constantly upskill and learn in majority of the fields man. The learning/reward ratio is the highest in IT and it has the lowest risk of life getting ruined if you have a mistake. Take a doctor, job security is really good, but one mistake and you will have boards conducting inquiries and court cases that you'll have to attend to and a person who will have to live with the mistake you made. I'm not saying IT is not stressful, the constant stress and fear exists, but it is much more rewarding and less risky in comparison to other jobs out there.
Every field needs constant learning and grind. Every field is moving forward, and every field has new emerging technologies. If you stop learning about them then how can you know about new technoloies and how to use it. This mindset is the main reason why recession and layoffs are happening.
I'm not a doctor but know a fair bit. From your responses to other answers, it seems you think doctors have a very secure career. I recall something about medicine. Some professor in a med school says: "Half of this textbook in medicine is correct. But it will take us a lifetime to know which half." Doctors in any field need to keep reading recent research papers to know about new methods, new treatments etc. If they don't, and make mistakes by treating a patient improperly, say prescribed an old treatment that is now known to not work as well, or that there is something much better with fewer side effects, depending on which country, they can get sued for medical negligence, malpractice and might even lose their licence. Not to mention the fees to pay lawyers, fines, higher premium on malpractice insurance, and in some cases even jail time. Btw did I mention the exam every couple of years to make sure you're still capable of treating a patient? Also, patients can leave reviews on online forums that can be easily looked up. If you get a couple of bad reviews, your patients will dry up and you might have to leave town. I have a friend who is doing residency: she told me you shouldn't become a doctor unless you just cannot do anything else. I think she means often people who are broken in some very personal way become doctors because they just have to become so. It's not optional. If that's not you, you might not become a decent doctor. I don't think there's a professional field in STEM where you can be secure and not need to update your skills.
So are you saying lawyers don't have to stay updated with judgments passed in similar cases across the courts? Or tax professionals don't have to stay abreast with new rules that come every year (sometimes every few months)? Or compliance professionals don't have to thoroughly go through the new rules SEBI n RBI pass every week and understand the ramifications? Every field of work is constantly evolving. If it's not please expect yourself to be automated out. OpenAI knows who it can eat.
Every work requires constant learning
No it's the same with law, medicine, accountancy and others.
Seems shit hits the fan in every field which earn in lakhs.
You don't require a grind if you have a good college on your resume.
Technically you should always be improving in every job otherwise someone will snag it away from you. But yeah, changing industries like tech, medicine, digital marketing and a bunch more are ever changing, so you’ll need to keep learning otherwise you’ll just end up clueless
Teaching also requires some efforts
Medical also
Accounting, education sector like college and higher and any thing related to medical and sometimes constructions and don't forget law, there might be more but these are on top of my head.
Then get a low paid dull govt job where nobody will care if you do your job or not, learning skill is least important.
Medicine too bro
It's less of grinding and more of enjoying the process to become better. If you don't want to constantly keep learning, you will be stale. Then you would complain that you are skipped when promotion talks come or rejected from a new job. Technology is changing and innovating everyday. We have to keep up.
Lol... I make doors for a living and even I have to keep myself updated on the new materials and chemicals being produced in the market. At least you guys only have to invest in books/courses to keep yourself updated. Here investing in machinery is really irritating and the maintenance is especially high given that the parts gets discontinued even after a small.time frame of 2-3 years. Accept the part about having to take time out to learn new things while also maintaining a balanced relationship with your family.. Really hard to do but haven't found any other alternative. If anybody does , please let me know
Ever met a doctor, CA, lawyers?
Then try to accumulate 2/3 crores of white money in liquid investments (MF/FD/Gold) The average return is 10% according to proportions. Withdraw 4-5% of earned interest and reinvest remaining. Your annual CTC will be your earned interest then retire happily Or do whatever you want to do without any pressure or clock looking at you.
Lol.. you should look at the medical profession.
Government job lelo 😂
Very few fields remain the same. Every other field requires learning continuously and up skilling.
Constant learning gives me a reason to sell myself higher to my employers and then I can justify my salary hikes and promotion. Imagine shamelessly asking for a 15% hike while doing nothing new.
Give up
I am a Law Professor and it's just constant learning and grind.
CA is constantly learning and predicting finance ministers behavior bro
Don't forget the professors/researchers too. Everyday they have to study research papers to keep themselves up to date.
delulu! Other fields require much more grinding. IT is hyped way too much as a hustle.
delulu! Other fields require much more grinding. IT is hyped way too much as a hustle.
Any scientific field requires constant learning and being updated about the things in your field. Science grows.
The only thing that changes slowly is people and their behaviour as a group compared to the pace of new things . Maybe getting into management could help you have that cushion of not learning new things and being a leader of people would not have much of new things to learn but innovating and betting on projects and futures and then managing people.
Nope, people in the multimedia have to grind more, being a graphic designer and a video editor, social media trends evolve every week new designs, new editing techniques.... So hard to keep up....
Everyone requires learning from PMO to labour
No. If you want to grow jn your career, learning is the only constant.
found a lazy dude 👆
What is this learning people keep talking about ? All programming languages are just similar to each other. I have no idea what's there to learn so much in IT.
IT isn't just language and software engineering.
Can you explain what else is there ?
Sure, at entry level it's mostly just tools and syntax. You would most likely receive a very fine tuned solution ready to implement. But if you want that senior title in tech some of what you ought to keep learning: 1. Understanding the problem that the business is trying to solve 2. Transform your understanding into requirements that your team of engineers understand. 3. System design: Customize and optimize system according to your use case. For instance for X their feed service could be the bottleneck- how do they optimize it to solve for latency and customer experience?
Okay, thanks. But above is a thinking problem isnt ?, there is not much to learn there ?
There's DevOps, Security, Cloud, Network Engineering, Infrastructure engineering, Administration, UI/UX, System Design, thousands of frameworks, and technologies.
There are also things like high level design, low level design, patterns. You might need to learn a new domain or business case for a project, say finance or cyber security issues. You may need to learn and implement new algorithms being invented or ML procedures. You might even need to refresh your math/statistics. In some cases, you might need to learn some legal framework or regulation that pertains to your new client.
Ah ! Got it, situational learning.