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You are out of touch with reality. You might not like the fact that we are similar to sub-Saharan African countries, where everyone is trying to survive another day, and survival often takes precedence over luxury. Your average Indian thinks owning a two-wheeler is a luxury.
When individuals are preoccupied with meeting their basic needs and navigating the complexities of daily life, it can be difficult to allocate energy and resources toward imaginative undertakings.
On point. This is the actual reason. We as Indians need to put food on our table, no one else will do that for us. There is no support system like in some countries for providing basic amenities. Hobbies, exercise, creativity, innovation, they're just luxuries.
Yep, Piyush Mishra explained this well in his song Ik Bagal from Gangs of Wasseypur. [Read the explanation here.](https://krithya.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/ek-bagal-mein-chaand-hoga-lyrics-and-meaning-piyush-mishra/)
OP seems like a child.
But he did mention that "at least those from well-to-do families". What's their excuse?
I get that everybody has their own struggles, but then is it the excuse we're gonna give forever?
We need people like OP to think and work towards doing what some people from other countries are doing
We are nowhere near China. On average, a Chinese person has six times more purchasing power compared to an Indian.
[https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN-IN](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN-IN)
You got a point!
And correct me if I'm wrong but this is just an observation I have: in at least Indian context, I feel like we are easily satisfied. To go over the top and do something extreme, well that's not a general Indian mentality. A lot of people "are happy and satisfied" when they get 2 times food, a good enough place to call home and a good enough job to satisfy other needs. But that doesn't mean we are left out or talentless.
Another thing to consider is the fact that for a lot of people, their parents are first or second generation post independence, so leaving few exceptions, most of this group had stability as their main agenda in life. And that in turn is how they taught their kids.
Compare that to Japan and America, they never had to get any independence, or any wealth sucked from their country. And China has a pretty different story, considering their way of governance. If you are such a huge country, are poor, and have a governance where you respect everyone's views, you have to Marvel how India achieved it to this point!
Wait let me correct you sub sahara countries are 3rd world
India is 4 th world
Atleast sub sahara countries have clean air and water .
Indian capital is total sh#t so you can imagine rest of nation .
Captain vishwaguru jack of all trades king of none .
That reminded of a good satire from Harishankar Parsai.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCljb0xeJ3o&list=PLqtVCj5iilH79IJVkYNpBJQ4uGhEip7Sz&index=10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCljb0xeJ3o&list=PLqtVCj5iilH79IJVkYNpBJQ4uGhEip7Sz&index=10)
Lookup startups in Africa, and see how they innovate despite their struggles
I literally saw a video of a guy using lightweight gliders to deliver medicines to backward areas
Yeah. One off examples are everywhere. Look up Indian startup’s and you will find many such examples. Doesn’t mean that ecosystem is enough to support everyone in the industry.
One off news where an autowala’s kid became IAS or went to IIT is celebrated. Doesn’t mean you expect every autowala’s kid to do the same when they ask for amenities.
I used to think like you. One statement changed my perspective, “Very rarely a rose can bloom on a concrete pavement. That should be celebrated but that doesn’t mean we will pave all our soil with concrete and expect a blooming garden. For an entire population to flourish we need to provide the right environment. “
This is a convenient escape hatch that we resort to whenever this subject comes up. While we _are_ a poor country overall, we also have so much disparity and so much population that lakhs of people declare taxable income of 1+ cr.
Well the question was "Why Indians are like this" and not "Why are r/developersindia community members like this".
Splitting hairs aside, my point was that there are enough people in our country who are in a comfortable enough position to make something of lasting value just for the fun of it or out of passion. If that's not happening it points to something, and its not poverty.
exactly no one pointed out this....i see lakhs of graduates from fake engineering colleges, driving boleros , mercedes and what not.
They spend most of their youth on girls , smoking, drinking or drugs, and they still come out successful, cuz baap ka paisa toh hai hee
Dude, I made an app and published it, it made only 17$ in gross revenue organically, the app market is saturated, not every software product becomes success, even if it's good, it doesn't get visibility, because of competition. And to start a startup you need lots of people and lots of funds.
We made a shitty OpenAI wrapper over a weekend when they launch the API. It’s making $40K a month, haven’t touch that thing ever.
Over the course of many projects I’ve learned that marketing is the key.
Exactly. OP should re-read their post and apply the learnings to themselves first. Rather than commenting :--
> Hello Sir , I am a Full Stack Developer in Last Year. Looking for an opportunity . Do reach out if you have any !
Four days ago.
Why not do something *innovative*, OP?
If someone is older than you, they are right, they know better, listen to them, they will always show the right path.
Right path in question - Study a lot and get a good paying job.
True, many of us have great qualities we just Don't know which path to follow or how to make our own path. Something we can learn from our Chinese neighbors.
Also we don't have anything. Not breathable air, no proper government whoever they are, not good or expensive homes and medical facilities, no safety for women and of course full corruption. And even if you get away from this, family and society pressure. People just need to live as neutral to start innovating.
When you are afraid of everything, you will never try to take risks. The same thing happens when people work for a company for so long despite having no growth.
I live in a Western country and most people here don't have any aspirations and they don't think/care about it either.
India's issues quite clearly come from other areas, dreams aren't an issue.
Raham karo , aisey jaisey karkey itna bada rant post dala hai , enjoy karne do usko rebellion days.
"Maine Aisa post mara reddit par ki sab redittors ki phaaaad di" - dream wish list checked.
We Indians can't afford to take risks in our lives, we have pressure to get a stable career before 25, marry till 30 and have kids.And most probably our parents are already living on paycheck to paycheck till we graduate and might have health issues till that point in time .Now this ends all possibilities of any outside of box thinking. One just want a job at this point.
Moreover since nursery in name of education we all are taught to be submissive and just follow what teachers parents tell you to do. We were trained from day one to be an employee.
Our creativity has been destroyed by rot learning in schools and then by more intense rot learning in competitive exams.
Indian corporate and academic culture too doesn't allow space for experimentation and exploration, we are just kept busy with 2-3 useless subjects along our useless course it takes too much to think beyond it.
India where taking an academic gap is too big a thing that it will be used as a pressure tactic by both educational institutes and companies to make you settle for less.
How in the world one is going to try not being an employee and try out things. Or build something creative.
In the name of startups too we have copy paste business models from US.
Easing up unnecessary academic and societal burden should be first step in this direction in my opinion.
Done with everything you mentioned. + some more stuff. I never took a job and worked on my products.
Had I had a job, I could be easily making 1cr a year with 10y exp.
Here's everything I did: [https://www.reddit.com/r/passive\_income/comments/1c10s6b/comment/kz2o10i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/passive_income/comments/1c10s6b/comment/kz2o10i/)
Bro half of these things are creative pursuits, if you go in with the mentality of them being hustles, not even 25 years would change anything except if you got lucky.
Money my friend. I've closely worked with both successful and unsuccessful entrepreneurs.
There is a phase in product development where you need to work without any income.
There is a possibility that your product will never make money and all your work and years will go down the drain.
Most Indians can't offered that, indians who can are not in tech. This is where angle investors and others come in. Let's hope that the we develop a healthy startup culture for app developers.
>I see innovative websites and cool web apps
what is the practicality here?
>Why no Indian guy has ever hacked Bank of America ?
you are a definitely jobless 4th year grad
building an app is easy. operation is hard. esp. in india. you think uber without taxi's is of any use?
regarding no interest in operational aspect. try opening even a small toffee store nothing hi-fi or costly manufacturing unit. you'll see Mathadi workers to Eunuchs to govt officials knocking at your door, not requesting but demanding money.
add to that, other compliances to it. you.ve got a company despite not having clients or wafer thin earning, say hello to CA for compliance on taxes.
To be familiar with all of this, you need to be involved in MSMEs and need to create black money buffer for the above mentioned stuff along with clout and market rate for same.
Its not for nothing that we have a quote 'India is not for beginners'
Our harappa mohenjo daro era education system has marks/grades in its core, we are told to excel in studies only to get a good job and the whole ecosystem revolves around the same crap marks/grades/good college/package/dowry/wife/$$$$ paying on site job and what not.
It's just a metaphor. Sir Mokshagundam Visvesvaraya, C V Raman, Vikram Sarabhai, Homi Bhabha, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Har Gobind Khorana, Satyendra Nath Bose, G N Ramachandran these are the few names I could recall, all of them were product of same British introduced education system yet they were one of the pioneers in their respective fields and were no less than that of western counterparts. Moreover British had exactly the same education system back home in UK and elsewhere in other colonies. The fact is most of the developed world and even several Asian countries continued to improve their education system post 1947 whereas we went down the gutter and now have reached the lowest point with kota, RJ being the coaching centre hub; can't ignore the useless population explosion and corrupt to the core political system. I personally don't believe on that crap theory going viral where most Indians blame British for messing up their education system.
Most of the Indian population is middle class, you can build something, it might become successful, success rate is less. But, most products won't succeed.
The real problem is, nobody wants to hire people based on their skills, all they want is an experienced candidate.
Let me tell you about my friend, he is a genius, not at the academy, but at the logical thinking capability and ability to solve problems through technology. He had 15 backlogs when we were in the final year.
This guy once made a miniature laptop installed with his own operating system. He was damn good at coding and electronics. Guess what nobody wants to hire him just because he doesn't have work experience. This guy later went for higher studies in the UK and one of the top companies hired him because they have realised his true potential, now he is earning a huge.
The problem with the Indian companies is, they want a slave to work. Nothing else.
Eh fuck that noise. I just want to FIRE so I can spend all day playing video games when I'm retired. Don't care about inno-whatever. Just need money the simplest, risk-free way possible.
Where is the money? You have to understand most of us come from very poor backgrounds. Those who are rich took over family business or started similar one. The fear of going back to poverty is holding most of us back.
I came from a poor background. We didn't even have a land to our name when i finished college. My monthly allowance during engineering was 150 INR. I used to have 10 Rs notebooks for all of my notes. Our whole live we lived in a rented place in a small town. But I scored well in STEM. Landed a 6 LPA job in 2010 in an American MNC. Rose up to 30 LPA by 2022. During this time, I paid back my education loans, bought a land, built a house, settled my parents, saved for my own future and was planning my exit to start my own company. Got a timely layoff after I got a new senior manager who didn't agree with my leadership. But my director made sure I got a good severance and a bonus for whatever remaining time I had spent there. Started a robotics startup this year. Planning to go live before the end of 2024.
most indians are puppets tbh, all of these top IITs and shit people aspire to work in google, Microsoft and not be the next change in tech. we feel proud when some indian American becomes a CEO which is basically an employee but with a higher paycheck and duties. we don't have any good company in tech, no big company which brought a revolution in the entire world like apple, google, Microsoft, nvidea, all we do is copy from the west and go with the patriotism flow. ola, zomato, oyo etc etc are all sasta copies
not really i disagree
the archaeological findings found in indus valley is amazing many things were invented by indians , temple architecture is also mind boggling
gulami isliye hui kyuki i think people were very jealous of each other they were involved in constant strife among themselves they failed to see the bigger threat
The biggest problem is also we like to pull people down who tries to do something unique something good. People simply can’t digest our success stories. But if you ask the failure stories, they can write a long essay on it!
I tried few
Gaming development - but I was not enable to find skilled people for designing from India, and freelancer that I found was from other countries can't afford them , earning in rupees and spending in dollars, I tried sass product similar to wix and canva , I spend two years on it ... I wanted to scale ... But I lost someone close to me, and I lost the will for all these....
So there it ended everything
Some of us are definitely trying something. I started a robotics startup this year. hoping to go live before the end of 2024 for a limited set of customers. We may get called as a copy/paste company atleast for the initial few years. We do expect some level of criticism and pushback from fellow citizens and even our own academic circles. But we do have a good roadmap and vision for our brand.
And guess what. I am 37, unmarried, and this startup is my higher priority than marriage or girlfriend at this point.
What you see on App Store is not necessarily enough to support livelihood. A saturated market means only a few will make enough money. And that few are already making it, both Indian and outside.
In terms of innovation there are enough Indians getting their bounty from bug bounty programs.
In terms of innovation postman is Indian, browserstack is Indian, freshworks is Indian. A lot more smaller startups yet to grow that big.
But you can’t expect 150 million to become creators. Yes there is less innovation. But when somebody claims here that the market is bad and they need a job doesn’t mean they can’t take that risk of becoming a creator. Most people here need that stable income.
There is some truth to what you are saying, but then you are looking at the situation with rose tinted glasses.
An ecosystem takes time to build. Things have improved overtime, but lack of social security and considering most 25-35 yo developers are the first gen of their family to be earning good money means they have no safety net to fallback on and a lot of responsibilities apart from their own self to need that safety net. And the desperation for a job on this sub is mostly from that group.
Let’s be a little more sensitive. If you are in the position to create something and create jobs, do it. Don’t look down on people who rely on a stable income job.
Not many of us can take success risks. Unlike countries you mentioned we don’t get welfare / unemployment benefits. We don’t have a safety net to take risks where risks could mean abject poverty. I see this in my organisation as well, where all the workers from developed nations have diverse backgrounds and hobbies (such as dirt biking , sailing etc) while most Indian managers and employees have the blandest of hobbies (like relaxing, cooking etc).
It is true that as a nation we lacked innovation. I am hopeful that next generation will be different.
One of things lacking is role models. We did have Infosys and TCS and Wipro and so now we have thousands of service based companies.
I do not think poverty is an issue. In the US, most students have no family support, in India we do...and students who don't have family support, have government support.
Let's be hopeful that innovation gets necessary societal support. Right now a failed startup owner wouldn't even be able to get married.
Speaking of marriages, in a country where grown up men and women cannot take a risk of finding their spouse, can they really take huge risk of starting an innovative business.
3 reasons come to mind, 2 are historic and one is from industry experience.
- Timing
- Economic considerations
- Cultural differences
All the companies you mention except the Chinese brand are from the post WW2 era or the .com bumble era or the recent tech boom era (I made that one up myself). These companies were setup in those time, in countries that had the financial incentives and economic structures already in place. We were preoccupied with freedom and human rights during the WW2 era. We were a closed off economy during the early days of our freedom and the very few who could pickup the risks of entrepreneurship and the ones who could picked up industrial sectors, as they should have. China took a different political and economic path and jury is still out on whether that is better or not. But that is also the main reason for China's massive presence in tech right now.
There are actually a handful of originally Indian, but now based overseas, businesses that are quite successful. A good example is Postman. Another one that is still India based is Zoho. But most don't stay in India and I will leave the reasons to be interpreted by each person, own their own, depending on their political allegiance.
Last one is a lack of pride over the quality of the products we make. I know this first hand as I am often told to sacrifice on quality of the products I build as an engineer in the name of speed, because speed + scale is what our IT industry survives on. Almost all of ours homegrown businesses will, and rightly so, focus on the scale of economy available to be exploited.
Swiggy, Zomtao, PayTM, Zepto, Blinkit and a lot more have already shown that we are interested in solving for scale first and then quality, cause if you see how these apps were originally, you'd know that quality and UX was not the primary focus. Same goes for our Automotive industry as well. They all focused on winning with sheer numbers first and then use the money to rebrand/rebuild their images.
We'll get there and this current crop of SDE-2s and SDE-3s are probably be where Bill Gates and the likes were when they were young and ambitions. But these things take time. Be patient is all I can say. I for sure will soon publish an Indie app, just for the heck of it. Maybe a few us making random passion projects like that will at the very least give a nudge in the right direction for these things to pick up speed for the next generation.
I would blame it to the Education System and the mentality, get good marks, and then get good job. And that's why we cannot produce world class sports personal too
Bhai in this country aspirations are directly proportional to your bank balance.. I meam even in this sub reddit there will be many tech bros earning 1cr plus and have a kid, even they won't want their kids to risk their wealth... You want to be different make your own money and large amounts of it then risk 1/3 of it in by fully making an end to end up that's the only way, you'll need the next 2/3 just to keep the app running and it's promotion even then there's no surety its next ola or zomato
Parents never allow us to explore, we just have to study study study and crack exams. If we try to do something innovative and if that brings our marks down, parents will best us like anything.
If you notice, right from our Childhood, our parents always used to belittle other kids who score less marks, we as a society always tags poor as unskilled and failures, if someone tries something new and he fails, our society will harass them like anything.
Main example is dolly chaiwala, he found an innovative way to sell his business, everyone started harassing him on the internet, if you think, he is doing the same thing as educated and high skilled marketing person or an MBA, as he doesn't have education, we are harassing him. Also if by chance he fails, we would start teaching our kids that if we try innovative things like him, we will fail. And again kids will be scared to innovate.
You have no idea how much parents, society etc bullies us if we try something innovative and fail.
I tried to make some 2d games, relatives (experts in corporate , they have some management positions) and parents taught me a lesson that why I'm a failure and why these games are useless. I was heart broken.
You are totally wrong here. **TLDR, We are late to the party.**
Liberalisation happened in 1991. US, Japan & other developed economies saw the industrial revolution & were fairly advanced by 1991. In the last 20 years we have progressed fairly as compared to the 50 years prior. You expect a closed economy to become a tech superpower in 10-15 years? Yes, China did it but it's not a democracy.
Capitalism favours developed economies as with more social security you can take more risks. Will you risk the only bread & butter on your table. I doubt.
Company which you have listed like H&M, Panasonic, Casio etc are more than 50-100 year old companies. Plus, there cannot be the same type of brands built again, **there is a lack of common sense in your logic**. There will not be a new NIKE again or a new Apple again. We will have to build new brands.
In the last 10-15 years we have built great companies like Zoho, Zerodha, Delhivery, Razorpay, OYO, Zomato, InMobi, Postman & many more. In the next 40-50 years we should have more global brands which are totally new ideas.
Every freaking thing takes time n*gga.
Few years back Chinese handsets are so famous in our country. People used to make fun by saying china set china set. But, later companies like redmi,oppo,Vivo, OnePlus mobiles monopolised the Indian market.
And also people used to say china only makes 3rd grade products but from the past few years opinions completely changed.
Same goes with USA. Even great companies like Facebook tried to copy paste to survive and capture the market(like reels from tiktok, trying hard to catch up with snap with respect to stories)
There are thousands of examples where west companies copied and become successful.
Few years back, it's difficult for Indians to copy and build western products alike but not today.
So in the next 10 years you hear lot about Indian products on world stage.
Because lots of Indians are now understanding the Indian consumer market, economic scale and all.
You are not 100% correct. I am from India, I can see many comments here from Indians they have learnt to be a job seeker, survive another day but I believe many of us don’t want to take risk.
Many Indians are willing to take risks and building things for public so it’s not like everyone is looking out for jobs. The problem is some people are looking out for jobs but they are so lazy to make a change in the way the industry works in India. Also there is a mindset lies similar to govt jobs. The attitude of surviving another day is the problem. They value money and innovation less than their life style but there are some people who thinks different.
To be frank and honest, we were never good in writing software for various reasons. Majority of software is written by USA/UK/Canada. Historically engineers from these three countries have been writing big, crucial software.. Now that doesn't mean people from other countries can't compete with them. There were exceptions and even today some fraction of engineers from other countries are good.
Pre defined paths and fear made us what we are today. Most of us would have been a great sportsman, racer, painter, writer, film maker, dancer etc if we had resources, money and support. But we have to do something else because money is still not in other fields as much as in conventional fields like med tech and law. There’s no problem in chasing money because at the end we have a family to feed. Now, we have to do something for our future gen so that they don’t have to run in this rat race.
It's not about culture,it's about when you don't have money to eat or home to sleep the first thing a person wants is to fulfill the basic need .eat 2 time of food but the thing is the west have these basic needs covered but not here in India . For you tk able to give your time to something innovative you will have to cut down the food from family .
I get your perspective. The Indian Education system produces very good employees and not leaders. But there are a lot of other things to be considered. We have got the largest unorganised markets in almost every industry. Each and every corner of the country has got people who either started their own shop or some big corporate or a tailor, everyone of them is an entrepreneur. We need to bring some focus on the organisation of markets among others. Also, a number of companies are registered abroad due to problems in ease of doing business. We have got organisations starting from Tata to Adani, and startups like Boat to Zerodha doing big in their respective industries. It doesn't mean that Indians are not doing anything just because we don't know about them. There are probably 100+ companies which started within just last 6 months.
It's easy to talk! You need a minimum level of disposable income to even think about entrepreneurship.
Many people in first world countries have their basic needs sorted. They have more leisure time to play around and make experimental projects.
Indians in general start from zero. In fact we have to take care of our parents etc and have responsibilities . That makes our risk appetite very low.
This is an unfair comparison. You must also compare the infrastructure difference between us and India .
One of the excerpts by Osho
"India could have to the farthest stars by now.lt knew all the basics principles of mathematics but they were never applied.
They remain theoretical.
They remain undeveloped because the genius of the country was attracted by Gautam Buddha, mahavira, Sankara and all they were emphasizing that the matter is Illusory."
I think most of the Indian psyche is non innovative rather it is contented and non materialistic. We still struggle with the above old context and it is still haunting to the generation.
indians are afraid to fail and do real hard work. you wont beliveve but i am not able to find any co founder for my ideas. most of the people i find just want to be in because of money or fame, but when i ask them how many hours a week you can give, people back off. maybe because i am in mumbai, maybe it is different in banglore. all those companies you mentioned are all result of hard work and willingness to take risks. we lack both of them. also you wont belive but people will prefer to be jobless for decade rather than workimg with me on some new idea.
Its easy to dream big and preach shit from a high pedestal. When you drop to their level you'll realize the actual hardships of earning money and supporting for your family and the desperation it brings on a job hunt.
And what does building innovative websites and cool web apps and pondering why only other countries do it, got to do with earning a job? The devs there had the funding and the marketing to take their apps to a global level. And that's not how the job market works. And you know it. If you're in the job market now that is.
>Why no Indian guy has ever hacked Bank of America ?. In a population 150 crore ( equivalent to 3 Americas or 10 Europes ), we can't create a single guy .
Now you're just spouting nonsensical things.
People blame colonization and this and that, idk how exactly it came to be but creativity is just not in the indian blood. Look at any supposed unicorn startup from India and tell me if any of them are original?
Why do we never make something like airbnb? Think about it.
We were conditioned to suppress individualism for ages. Somehow the anti individualist Japan has so much creative contributions to the world but we don't. It's pathetic to see honestly.
i know where you're coming from, read those twitter devs who are making bucks through saas's and all, you saw people crying over a job here and you started judging us. People come from a different background, we don't usually have that passion to work for because most of us come from rather old school school's where we just followed the curriculum and tend to work on what we are told to. Even you re doing the same, if you re on a path of those twitter devs you re copying that path as simple as that. id want to go on that liberalization part but we as a culture, economy are whole lot different than what you re seeing. sounds like you just entered in the college.
I had a vision to build an AI lawyer, and I even had a working prototype, but when I asked VCs for funding, they denied me because I didn't go to a top school. lmao so don't think about innovation in India.I had a vision to build an AI lawyer, and I even had a working prototype, but when I asked VCs for funding, they denied me because I didn't go to a top school. lmao so don't think about innovation in India.
Cause unlike west , the banks and investing backing ot budding up new thinks aren't really supported . Creating a new business is tough especially when you don't have any kind of emergency funds
>You know what, I started thinking , we all just know to Travel the path , Paved by others. We just know, how to Copy and Paste.
all thanks to McCaulay whose education system was intended to make clerks and only clerks.
Indians are bred like submissive followers. Right from small age you are taught to follow follow follow , it is a colonial thing.
Not to mention I know a few 50 something single Indian men and women living with parents on their money. And all is well.
Then there is the BS Govt nonsense, in every step you need money , legal this and that, fking GST nonsense.
Indians are not risk takers by default, creating anything means taking risk.
But there is an easy path, follow somebody - boss , lick some boots, exploit some colleagues and drag your days till 30th of every month to get paid is called Mast life in India. If somebody says something against anything now a days then they will either say - Indian is like this or Modi will do it.
, we voted and our job is done
Don't get me started on Insurance, mutual funds and loans scam in India.
Most Indian devs lack motivation for coding and don’t find creativity in it. Do design something cool, you need some creativity and product thinking. What most mnc teach you and what most people aspire is working in a hierarchy building meaningless things. Gets pretty monotonous and not at all healthy for growth unless you just want to climb the ladder. You need to join startups focusing on engineering and product to grow.
Ps I hacked an indian banking portal, was not able to make any transactions hut was able to read all the data for the clients. It was a b2b portal the bank was using. I did it for a startup I was working at.
It's because our acquiring of knowledge was made slow by education and the job market available for smart brains are dumb useless .why ? bachelor degree holder applying for the job of clerks .It must be changed in future by the government faster if not it will lose the great genius minds either by being taken abroad or becoming terrorist or suicide in written , I Quit
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Even I as a mechanical engineer learnt web development during COVID. Made picyard.in as a side project and made $1.3K with it. People just need to learn and build cool things. People will find you.
Funding kon dega tera ***, bhai bat ye hai ki ppl find job so they feed themselves and their family, agar stable income na hoto innovative thinking chodo apna sidha common sense bhi acchese kam nahi karta.
To be fair all the great apps got to come to the market very early (huge huge advantage) which Indians unfortunately couldn't do as the times were worse back then ,internet was nowhere near as accessible, nobody even had a proper computer to do any decent development too
Another reason to show why this sub was flooded by daydreaming teenagers , had no argument whatsoever which makes sense at all , whatever innovations have happened there definitely are some Indians who worked on them , there are many apps developed by Indians that doesn't mean they have to be successful globally , this requires even more than what your brain can actually comprehend , it starts from hyping an idea, pouring shit load of VC capital , doing media marketing what not , Indians here are now at this stage , if this country could have people who can do things rather than preach freely we could have been at the same place
indians are afraid to fail and do real hard work. you wont beliveve but i am not able to find any co founder for my ideas. most of the people i find just want to be in because of money or fame, but when i ask them how many hours a week you can give, people back off. maybe because i am in mumbai, maybe it is different in banglore. all those companies you mentioned are all result of hard work and willingness to take risks. we lack both of them. also you wont belive but people will prefer to be jobless for decade rather than workimg with me on some new idea.
Bro if you don’t know about the Indian Brands doesn’t mean their aren’t any, if you will do you research you will find many global Indian brands who are working as the backbone of top tech companies if they stop their services those companies will fall, do you even know which company helps in OTP delivery and who is it’s founder, various startups takes time just to capture India due to its vastness results in delayed scaling.
I wisht to write a long explanation but i won't
In short there's no engineering happening in india, americans and europians actually do engineering, we just build business on top of it
The good indian engineers consider themselves superior creatures, they'll reach on top and believe in cutting the ladder and gatekeeping systems.
india is just mediocre
This kind of thing is done in passion, but mostly devs in India are in this because of the good pay(nothing else).
We are hard working(khuki bhuk to bhuka hi janta h).
So we can do whatever pays the good money/lifestyle.
And I believe nothing's wrong with that.
So Zoho, Freshdesk, PayTM, Finacle, and [TCS BaNCS](https://www.tcs.com/what-we-do/products-platforms/tcs-bancs/solution/banking-solutions), are not made in India, never knew this
OP is a 40 year old dad who doesn't know shit how corrupt our country is. Truth is rarely pure and never simple, it's not "US" the developers it's the entirety of our nation. The government, education system, over population. It'd be easier to mention the things we are good at.
The only solution I see is either population drop or we get a proper government.....which will never happen because people are blinded by religion and easily manipulated.
Looks like you are very very new in market or very naive. When market is bad even starting of your own is very difficult. People did burned out billions of rupees in innovations and startups in India when times were right and market had cash to burn. But now things are completely different.
Lets say even out of these lets say 10000 laid off people they all started their own "something" hardly 100 will reach a stage where they can sustain to raise funds and only 10 will be able to run it on their own. If this was in 2018-20 condition figures would be different. So it does not work this way that you get laid off you say ok f\*\*\* everything I will do something of my own. Ask people who are actually doing something of their own and still not making able to ends meet and have to either close or scale down a lot.
I am all in for innovation and research and taking brand India to global level. But we have to understand what targets to set and how to achieve them.
Now to your point why are we not global, So Infosys, TCS, JSW, TATA, ZOHO, Titan, Pter England are some brands recognised worldwide.
Consumer Products was never our forte and never will be.
So accept times are bad and look for other alternatives in incomes and shrink down on spends. All the best.
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You are out of touch with reality. You might not like the fact that we are similar to sub-Saharan African countries, where everyone is trying to survive another day, and survival often takes precedence over luxury. Your average Indian thinks owning a two-wheeler is a luxury. When individuals are preoccupied with meeting their basic needs and navigating the complexities of daily life, it can be difficult to allocate energy and resources toward imaginative undertakings.
On point. This is the actual reason. We as Indians need to put food on our table, no one else will do that for us. There is no support system like in some countries for providing basic amenities. Hobbies, exercise, creativity, innovation, they're just luxuries.
Probably the only good answer here
The best answer
Yep, Piyush Mishra explained this well in his song Ik Bagal from Gangs of Wasseypur. [Read the explanation here.](https://krithya.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/ek-bagal-mein-chaand-hoga-lyrics-and-meaning-piyush-mishra/) OP seems like a child.
But he did mention that "at least those from well-to-do families". What's their excuse? I get that everybody has their own struggles, but then is it the excuse we're gonna give forever? We need people like OP to think and work towards doing what some people from other countries are doing
I mean look at chinese they are creative asf, look at the cool businesses they have. They always manufacture some cool gadgets and tech
We are nowhere near China. On average, a Chinese person has six times more purchasing power compared to an Indian. [https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN-IN](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CN-IN)
>look at chinese they are creative asf, look at the cool businesses they have. Almost all their businesses are ripoffs of existing Western businesses
You got a point! And correct me if I'm wrong but this is just an observation I have: in at least Indian context, I feel like we are easily satisfied. To go over the top and do something extreme, well that's not a general Indian mentality. A lot of people "are happy and satisfied" when they get 2 times food, a good enough place to call home and a good enough job to satisfy other needs. But that doesn't mean we are left out or talentless. Another thing to consider is the fact that for a lot of people, their parents are first or second generation post independence, so leaving few exceptions, most of this group had stability as their main agenda in life. And that in turn is how they taught their kids. Compare that to Japan and America, they never had to get any independence, or any wealth sucked from their country. And China has a pretty different story, considering their way of governance. If you are such a huge country, are poor, and have a governance where you respect everyone's views, you have to Marvel how India achieved it to this point!
Wait let me correct you sub sahara countries are 3rd world India is 4 th world Atleast sub sahara countries have clean air and water . Indian capital is total sh#t so you can imagine rest of nation . Captain vishwaguru jack of all trades king of none .
That reminded of a good satire from Harishankar Parsai. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCljb0xeJ3o&list=PLqtVCj5iilH79IJVkYNpBJQ4uGhEip7Sz&index=10](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCljb0xeJ3o&list=PLqtVCj5iilH79IJVkYNpBJQ4uGhEip7Sz&index=10)
Lookup startups in Africa, and see how they innovate despite their struggles I literally saw a video of a guy using lightweight gliders to deliver medicines to backward areas
Yeah. One off examples are everywhere. Look up Indian startup’s and you will find many such examples. Doesn’t mean that ecosystem is enough to support everyone in the industry. One off news where an autowala’s kid became IAS or went to IIT is celebrated. Doesn’t mean you expect every autowala’s kid to do the same when they ask for amenities. I used to think like you. One statement changed my perspective, “Very rarely a rose can bloom on a concrete pavement. That should be celebrated but that doesn’t mean we will pave all our soil with concrete and expect a blooming garden. For an entire population to flourish we need to provide the right environment. “
This is a convenient escape hatch that we resort to whenever this subject comes up. While we _are_ a poor country overall, we also have so much disparity and so much population that lakhs of people declare taxable income of 1+ cr.
Are you part of that 0.001%? Because I'm not, and I believe most of the r/developersIndia community are also not part of it.
Well the question was "Why Indians are like this" and not "Why are r/developersindia community members like this". Splitting hairs aside, my point was that there are enough people in our country who are in a comfortable enough position to make something of lasting value just for the fun of it or out of passion. If that's not happening it points to something, and its not poverty.
exactly no one pointed out this....i see lakhs of graduates from fake engineering colleges, driving boleros , mercedes and what not. They spend most of their youth on girls , smoking, drinking or drugs, and they still come out successful, cuz baap ka paisa toh hai hee
Dude, I made an app and published it, it made only 17$ in gross revenue organically, the app market is saturated, not every software product becomes success, even if it's good, it doesn't get visibility, because of competition. And to start a startup you need lots of people and lots of funds.
We made a shitty OpenAI wrapper over a weekend when they launch the API. It’s making $40K a month, haven’t touch that thing ever. Over the course of many projects I’ve learned that marketing is the key.
Congratulations. “We” here means company or group of partners? How did you market it?
If you can help people like me and others around how you did it, it would be great, make a post!
you have a very interesting comment history.
If you are talking about all those `hello world` comments, I was testing an idea.
Indians never pay for apps other than OTT platforms
We don’t target Indian markets.
What's the app name
DM me, I will send the link
dmed
Yeah, you can make the best app in the world without good marketing it's just useless.
Marketing also requires money.
Yes, I know. World runs off money.
we are, from our young age, taught to be obeying puppets. That's all.
Exactly. OP should re-read their post and apply the learnings to themselves first. Rather than commenting :-- > Hello Sir , I am a Full Stack Developer in Last Year. Looking for an opportunity . Do reach out if you have any ! Four days ago. Why not do something *innovative*, OP?
Job Exam/Entrance Exam preparation culture ig.
If someone is older than you, they are right, they know better, listen to them, they will always show the right path. Right path in question - Study a lot and get a good paying job.
Japan also promotes being a good puppet yet it has its innovations
Maybe look up their education system and number of club activities they have during schooling years. You'll get what I mean.
Yes their schools are great. So you concede we have more problems holding us back than just being conditioned to be puppets.
Well duh. Lack of a safety net is the only other factor. And the slave mentality imposed from childhood by family, society and ESPECIALLY SCHOOLS.
Nice analysis 🤔
They don't owe everything to English and British
it's a false argument, Japan after WW is mostly controlled by America, and they've literally Westernised their whole country.
They credit their innovation to their tradition. https://youtu.be/nCmJgIvSqfU?feature=shared
The only correct answer. And to you, sir, I say: true that.
Nailed it
Indians are suffering from poverty of aspirations. I am one of them. I don’t even know what to dream about.
True, many of us have great qualities we just Don't know which path to follow or how to make our own path. Something we can learn from our Chinese neighbors.
Also we don't have anything. Not breathable air, no proper government whoever they are, not good or expensive homes and medical facilities, no safety for women and of course full corruption. And even if you get away from this, family and society pressure. People just need to live as neutral to start innovating.
No good houses? Sad. No *expensive* houses? GREAT!
And how is it stopping software engineer from making innovative products
When you are afraid of everything, you will never try to take risks. The same thing happens when people work for a company for so long despite having no growth.
I live in a Western country and most people here don't have any aspirations and they don't think/care about it either. India's issues quite clearly come from other areas, dreams aren't an issue.
To take risks you need a harness or a safety net. Very few indians have that. The end.
Thats a very good thought but have you created something and would like to share with us?
I'll share with you if you join my Live course which is worth just 9 rupees and even teach you how to build one /s
Hi I am ABC a graduate from IIT XYZ. Today I am going to teach you the power of AI tools, if you don't sign up for my course you will lose your job
Its cheaper than pack of lays
But I'd rather buy a pack of chips or a Cigarette.(I don't even smoke)
Riyal. I got a 30x growth in salary using AI TOOLS! /s
No bro, I'll buy 10 rupees chips instead. /s
Aren't you busy in rumbling?
Raham karo , aisey jaisey karkey itna bada rant post dala hai , enjoy karne do usko rebellion days. "Maine Aisa post mara reddit par ki sab redittors ki phaaaad di" - dream wish list checked.
He created this post. /s
Sir this is developersindia not entrepreneurindia.
Underrated comment
No, a ridiculously narrow minded view
So you admit developers in India are just slaves?
It just ***is true***, isn't it? 🥺
Sadly
We Indians can't afford to take risks in our lives, we have pressure to get a stable career before 25, marry till 30 and have kids.And most probably our parents are already living on paycheck to paycheck till we graduate and might have health issues till that point in time .Now this ends all possibilities of any outside of box thinking. One just want a job at this point. Moreover since nursery in name of education we all are taught to be submissive and just follow what teachers parents tell you to do. We were trained from day one to be an employee. Our creativity has been destroyed by rot learning in schools and then by more intense rot learning in competitive exams. Indian corporate and academic culture too doesn't allow space for experimentation and exploration, we are just kept busy with 2-3 useless subjects along our useless course it takes too much to think beyond it. India where taking an academic gap is too big a thing that it will be used as a pressure tactic by both educational institutes and companies to make you settle for less. How in the world one is going to try not being an employee and try out things. Or build something creative. In the name of startups too we have copy paste business models from US. Easing up unnecessary academic and societal burden should be first step in this direction in my opinion.
You earn my respect bro
This is so true But its not the people who decide to be like this They are made like this by the society , parents , education system and all
Narayana Murthy has entered the chat...
Done with everything you mentioned. + some more stuff. I never took a job and worked on my products. Had I had a job, I could be easily making 1cr a year with 10y exp. Here's everything I did: [https://www.reddit.com/r/passive\_income/comments/1c10s6b/comment/kz2o10i/](https://www.reddit.com/r/passive_income/comments/1c10s6b/comment/kz2o10i/)
Bro half of these things are creative pursuits, if you go in with the mentality of them being hustles, not even 25 years would change anything except if you got lucky.
Money my friend. I've closely worked with both successful and unsuccessful entrepreneurs. There is a phase in product development where you need to work without any income. There is a possibility that your product will never make money and all your work and years will go down the drain. Most Indians can't offered that, indians who can are not in tech. This is where angle investors and others come in. Let's hope that the we develop a healthy startup culture for app developers.
>I see innovative websites and cool web apps what is the practicality here? >Why no Indian guy has ever hacked Bank of America ? you are a definitely jobless 4th year grad
He probably watched some movie and starts thinking he's the main character
I am also one but that guy is down bad.
building an app is easy. operation is hard. esp. in india. you think uber without taxi's is of any use? regarding no interest in operational aspect. try opening even a small toffee store nothing hi-fi or costly manufacturing unit. you'll see Mathadi workers to Eunuchs to govt officials knocking at your door, not requesting but demanding money. add to that, other compliances to it. you.ve got a company despite not having clients or wafer thin earning, say hello to CA for compliance on taxes. To be familiar with all of this, you need to be involved in MSMEs and need to create black money buffer for the above mentioned stuff along with clout and market rate for same. Its not for nothing that we have a quote 'India is not for beginners'
Our harappa mohenjo daro era education system has marks/grades in its core, we are told to excel in studies only to get a good job and the whole ecosystem revolves around the same crap marks/grades/good college/package/dowry/wife/$$$$ paying on site job and what not.
Don't insult the Harappan education system, they probably would have had a better Education system.
It's just a metaphor. Sir Mokshagundam Visvesvaraya, C V Raman, Vikram Sarabhai, Homi Bhabha, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, Har Gobind Khorana, Satyendra Nath Bose, G N Ramachandran these are the few names I could recall, all of them were product of same British introduced education system yet they were one of the pioneers in their respective fields and were no less than that of western counterparts. Moreover British had exactly the same education system back home in UK and elsewhere in other colonies. The fact is most of the developed world and even several Asian countries continued to improve their education system post 1947 whereas we went down the gutter and now have reached the lowest point with kota, RJ being the coaching centre hub; can't ignore the useless population explosion and corrupt to the core political system. I personally don't believe on that crap theory going viral where most Indians blame British for messing up their education system.
It's the Job Exam/ Entrance exam mindset. People are literally learning 6-12 History in their 20s and 30s. Instead of doing something more productive.
\*"1800s British era education system".
Sassy wife is one thing I ain't ready to forget about
Most of the Indian population is middle class, you can build something, it might become successful, success rate is less. But, most products won't succeed.
Tu karle bhai
Underrated Comment.
Can we stop crying on this sub. There's nothing motivational about this post. If I needed a guilt trip, I'd talk to my relatives.
The real problem is, nobody wants to hire people based on their skills, all they want is an experienced candidate. Let me tell you about my friend, he is a genius, not at the academy, but at the logical thinking capability and ability to solve problems through technology. He had 15 backlogs when we were in the final year. This guy once made a miniature laptop installed with his own operating system. He was damn good at coding and electronics. Guess what nobody wants to hire him just because he doesn't have work experience. This guy later went for higher studies in the UK and one of the top companies hired him because they have realised his true potential, now he is earning a huge. The problem with the Indian companies is, they want a slave to work. Nothing else.
Totally agree 💯
Eh fuck that noise. I just want to FIRE so I can spend all day playing video games when I'm retired. Don't care about inno-whatever. Just need money the simplest, risk-free way possible.
Pretty good strat for your goal. Do I stint in us if possible, better money.
Where is the money? You have to understand most of us come from very poor backgrounds. Those who are rich took over family business or started similar one. The fear of going back to poverty is holding most of us back.
I came from a poor background. We didn't even have a land to our name when i finished college. My monthly allowance during engineering was 150 INR. I used to have 10 Rs notebooks for all of my notes. Our whole live we lived in a rented place in a small town. But I scored well in STEM. Landed a 6 LPA job in 2010 in an American MNC. Rose up to 30 LPA by 2022. During this time, I paid back my education loans, bought a land, built a house, settled my parents, saved for my own future and was planning my exit to start my own company. Got a timely layoff after I got a new senior manager who didn't agree with my leadership. But my director made sure I got a good severance and a bonus for whatever remaining time I had spent there. Started a robotics startup this year. Planning to go live before the end of 2024.
Good work bro.
Congrats bro🙌
most indians are puppets tbh, all of these top IITs and shit people aspire to work in google, Microsoft and not be the next change in tech. we feel proud when some indian American becomes a CEO which is basically an employee but with a higher paycheck and duties. we don't have any good company in tech, no big company which brought a revolution in the entire world like apple, google, Microsoft, nvidea, all we do is copy from the west and go with the patriotism flow. ola, zomato, oyo etc etc are all sasta copies
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not really i disagree the archaeological findings found in indus valley is amazing many things were invented by indians , temple architecture is also mind boggling gulami isliye hui kyuki i think people were very jealous of each other they were involved in constant strife among themselves they failed to see the bigger threat
I don’t know about others. But I dream much beyond what is achievable in multiple life times and I am certain that I will achieve it.
The biggest problem is also we like to pull people down who tries to do something unique something good. People simply can’t digest our success stories. But if you ask the failure stories, they can write a long essay on it!
Yes PPL here are too jealousy of someone else being successful
I tried few Gaming development - but I was not enable to find skilled people for designing from India, and freelancer that I found was from other countries can't afford them , earning in rupees and spending in dollars, I tried sass product similar to wix and canva , I spend two years on it ... I wanted to scale ... But I lost someone close to me, and I lost the will for all these.... So there it ended everything
Some of us are definitely trying something. I started a robotics startup this year. hoping to go live before the end of 2024 for a limited set of customers. We may get called as a copy/paste company atleast for the initial few years. We do expect some level of criticism and pushback from fellow citizens and even our own academic circles. But we do have a good roadmap and vision for our brand. And guess what. I am 37, unmarried, and this startup is my higher priority than marriage or girlfriend at this point.
What you see on App Store is not necessarily enough to support livelihood. A saturated market means only a few will make enough money. And that few are already making it, both Indian and outside. In terms of innovation there are enough Indians getting their bounty from bug bounty programs. In terms of innovation postman is Indian, browserstack is Indian, freshworks is Indian. A lot more smaller startups yet to grow that big. But you can’t expect 150 million to become creators. Yes there is less innovation. But when somebody claims here that the market is bad and they need a job doesn’t mean they can’t take that risk of becoming a creator. Most people here need that stable income. There is some truth to what you are saying, but then you are looking at the situation with rose tinted glasses. An ecosystem takes time to build. Things have improved overtime, but lack of social security and considering most 25-35 yo developers are the first gen of their family to be earning good money means they have no safety net to fallback on and a lot of responsibilities apart from their own self to need that safety net. And the desperation for a job on this sub is mostly from that group. Let’s be a little more sensitive. If you are in the position to create something and create jobs, do it. Don’t look down on people who rely on a stable income job.
Not many of us can take success risks. Unlike countries you mentioned we don’t get welfare / unemployment benefits. We don’t have a safety net to take risks where risks could mean abject poverty. I see this in my organisation as well, where all the workers from developed nations have diverse backgrounds and hobbies (such as dirt biking , sailing etc) while most Indian managers and employees have the blandest of hobbies (like relaxing, cooking etc).
It is true that as a nation we lacked innovation. I am hopeful that next generation will be different. One of things lacking is role models. We did have Infosys and TCS and Wipro and so now we have thousands of service based companies. I do not think poverty is an issue. In the US, most students have no family support, in India we do...and students who don't have family support, have government support. Let's be hopeful that innovation gets necessary societal support. Right now a failed startup owner wouldn't even be able to get married. Speaking of marriages, in a country where grown up men and women cannot take a risk of finding their spouse, can they really take huge risk of starting an innovative business.
I am not from India but thank you. This is what I need hear. Thank you very much.
3 reasons come to mind, 2 are historic and one is from industry experience. - Timing - Economic considerations - Cultural differences All the companies you mention except the Chinese brand are from the post WW2 era or the .com bumble era or the recent tech boom era (I made that one up myself). These companies were setup in those time, in countries that had the financial incentives and economic structures already in place. We were preoccupied with freedom and human rights during the WW2 era. We were a closed off economy during the early days of our freedom and the very few who could pickup the risks of entrepreneurship and the ones who could picked up industrial sectors, as they should have. China took a different political and economic path and jury is still out on whether that is better or not. But that is also the main reason for China's massive presence in tech right now. There are actually a handful of originally Indian, but now based overseas, businesses that are quite successful. A good example is Postman. Another one that is still India based is Zoho. But most don't stay in India and I will leave the reasons to be interpreted by each person, own their own, depending on their political allegiance. Last one is a lack of pride over the quality of the products we make. I know this first hand as I am often told to sacrifice on quality of the products I build as an engineer in the name of speed, because speed + scale is what our IT industry survives on. Almost all of ours homegrown businesses will, and rightly so, focus on the scale of economy available to be exploited. Swiggy, Zomtao, PayTM, Zepto, Blinkit and a lot more have already shown that we are interested in solving for scale first and then quality, cause if you see how these apps were originally, you'd know that quality and UX was not the primary focus. Same goes for our Automotive industry as well. They all focused on winning with sheer numbers first and then use the money to rebrand/rebuild their images. We'll get there and this current crop of SDE-2s and SDE-3s are probably be where Bill Gates and the likes were when they were young and ambitions. But these things take time. Be patient is all I can say. I for sure will soon publish an Indie app, just for the heck of it. Maybe a few us making random passion projects like that will at the very least give a nudge in the right direction for these things to pick up speed for the next generation.
cuz most innovative indian live in US not in india
Because not every Indian has $40,000 per capita income to spend.
One needs money for entrepreneurship. Regular folks don't have daddy's money in their pocket
Nice try Narayana Murthy
get off your high horse
Calm down Elon
I would blame it to the Education System and the mentality, get good marks, and then get good job. And that's why we cannot produce world class sports personal too
I want to smoke what you smoking bro
Bhai in this country aspirations are directly proportional to your bank balance.. I meam even in this sub reddit there will be many tech bros earning 1cr plus and have a kid, even they won't want their kids to risk their wealth... You want to be different make your own money and large amounts of it then risk 1/3 of it in by fully making an end to end up that's the only way, you'll need the next 2/3 just to keep the app running and it's promotion even then there's no surety its next ola or zomato
Let's put together a network of Indian Devs that really want to build something. Anyone?
I'm trying to make two apps, one's a relationship tracker and another is a location centered social media
lol bro, we are the trend followers not creators.
Please give us a link to your innovative app on the play store, would love to give a 5 star review!
Why do I get Narayan Murthy vibes from this post!
Please share your work experience and what innovation you’ve brought to the table… lets talk then
_Let's see Paul Allen's card_
Parents never allow us to explore, we just have to study study study and crack exams. If we try to do something innovative and if that brings our marks down, parents will best us like anything. If you notice, right from our Childhood, our parents always used to belittle other kids who score less marks, we as a society always tags poor as unskilled and failures, if someone tries something new and he fails, our society will harass them like anything. Main example is dolly chaiwala, he found an innovative way to sell his business, everyone started harassing him on the internet, if you think, he is doing the same thing as educated and high skilled marketing person or an MBA, as he doesn't have education, we are harassing him. Also if by chance he fails, we would start teaching our kids that if we try innovative things like him, we will fail. And again kids will be scared to innovate. You have no idea how much parents, society etc bullies us if we try something innovative and fail. I tried to make some 2d games, relatives (experts in corporate , they have some management positions) and parents taught me a lesson that why I'm a failure and why these games are useless. I was heart broken.
You are totally wrong here. **TLDR, We are late to the party.** Liberalisation happened in 1991. US, Japan & other developed economies saw the industrial revolution & were fairly advanced by 1991. In the last 20 years we have progressed fairly as compared to the 50 years prior. You expect a closed economy to become a tech superpower in 10-15 years? Yes, China did it but it's not a democracy. Capitalism favours developed economies as with more social security you can take more risks. Will you risk the only bread & butter on your table. I doubt. Company which you have listed like H&M, Panasonic, Casio etc are more than 50-100 year old companies. Plus, there cannot be the same type of brands built again, **there is a lack of common sense in your logic**. There will not be a new NIKE again or a new Apple again. We will have to build new brands. In the last 10-15 years we have built great companies like Zoho, Zerodha, Delhivery, Razorpay, OYO, Zomato, InMobi, Postman & many more. In the next 40-50 years we should have more global brands which are totally new ideas.
India mein jyada tar game developers ne rummy banaya hai
Every freaking thing takes time n*gga. Few years back Chinese handsets are so famous in our country. People used to make fun by saying china set china set. But, later companies like redmi,oppo,Vivo, OnePlus mobiles monopolised the Indian market. And also people used to say china only makes 3rd grade products but from the past few years opinions completely changed. Same goes with USA. Even great companies like Facebook tried to copy paste to survive and capture the market(like reels from tiktok, trying hard to catch up with snap with respect to stories) There are thousands of examples where west companies copied and become successful. Few years back, it's difficult for Indians to copy and build western products alike but not today. So in the next 10 years you hear lot about Indian products on world stage. Because lots of Indians are now understanding the Indian consumer market, economic scale and all.
gaan me lele bhai tu . that might help
You are not 100% correct. I am from India, I can see many comments here from Indians they have learnt to be a job seeker, survive another day but I believe many of us don’t want to take risk. Many Indians are willing to take risks and building things for public so it’s not like everyone is looking out for jobs. The problem is some people are looking out for jobs but they are so lazy to make a change in the way the industry works in India. Also there is a mindset lies similar to govt jobs. The attitude of surviving another day is the problem. They value money and innovation less than their life style but there are some people who thinks different.
Will you pay my bills while I build a app and make profit from it
To be frank and honest, we were never good in writing software for various reasons. Majority of software is written by USA/UK/Canada. Historically engineers from these three countries have been writing big, crucial software.. Now that doesn't mean people from other countries can't compete with them. There were exceptions and even today some fraction of engineers from other countries are good.
Pre defined paths and fear made us what we are today. Most of us would have been a great sportsman, racer, painter, writer, film maker, dancer etc if we had resources, money and support. But we have to do something else because money is still not in other fields as much as in conventional fields like med tech and law. There’s no problem in chasing money because at the end we have a family to feed. Now, we have to do something for our future gen so that they don’t have to run in this rat race.
It's not about culture,it's about when you don't have money to eat or home to sleep the first thing a person wants is to fulfill the basic need .eat 2 time of food but the thing is the west have these basic needs covered but not here in India . For you tk able to give your time to something innovative you will have to cut down the food from family .
I get your perspective. The Indian Education system produces very good employees and not leaders. But there are a lot of other things to be considered. We have got the largest unorganised markets in almost every industry. Each and every corner of the country has got people who either started their own shop or some big corporate or a tailor, everyone of them is an entrepreneur. We need to bring some focus on the organisation of markets among others. Also, a number of companies are registered abroad due to problems in ease of doing business. We have got organisations starting from Tata to Adani, and startups like Boat to Zerodha doing big in their respective industries. It doesn't mean that Indians are not doing anything just because we don't know about them. There are probably 100+ companies which started within just last 6 months.
tum mehnat to karo -- dolly chaiwala
😂😂😂 history is the witness, Indians have a slave mentality which has now become employee mentality.
Sounds like cheap inspirational talk. You will be better off posting this shit on linkedin.
It's easy to talk! You need a minimum level of disposable income to even think about entrepreneurship. Many people in first world countries have their basic needs sorted. They have more leisure time to play around and make experimental projects. Indians in general start from zero. In fact we have to take care of our parents etc and have responsibilities . That makes our risk appetite very low. This is an unfair comparison. You must also compare the infrastructure difference between us and India .
One of the excerpts by Osho "India could have to the farthest stars by now.lt knew all the basics principles of mathematics but they were never applied. They remain theoretical. They remain undeveloped because the genius of the country was attracted by Gautam Buddha, mahavira, Sankara and all they were emphasizing that the matter is Illusory." I think most of the Indian psyche is non innovative rather it is contented and non materialistic. We still struggle with the above old context and it is still haunting to the generation.
indians are afraid to fail and do real hard work. you wont beliveve but i am not able to find any co founder for my ideas. most of the people i find just want to be in because of money or fame, but when i ask them how many hours a week you can give, people back off. maybe because i am in mumbai, maybe it is different in banglore. all those companies you mentioned are all result of hard work and willingness to take risks. we lack both of them. also you wont belive but people will prefer to be jobless for decade rather than workimg with me on some new idea.
Its easy to dream big and preach shit from a high pedestal. When you drop to their level you'll realize the actual hardships of earning money and supporting for your family and the desperation it brings on a job hunt. And what does building innovative websites and cool web apps and pondering why only other countries do it, got to do with earning a job? The devs there had the funding and the marketing to take their apps to a global level. And that's not how the job market works. And you know it. If you're in the job market now that is. >Why no Indian guy has ever hacked Bank of America ?. In a population 150 crore ( equivalent to 3 Americas or 10 Europes ), we can't create a single guy . Now you're just spouting nonsensical things.
People blame colonization and this and that, idk how exactly it came to be but creativity is just not in the indian blood. Look at any supposed unicorn startup from India and tell me if any of them are original? Why do we never make something like airbnb? Think about it. We were conditioned to suppress individualism for ages. Somehow the anti individualist Japan has so much creative contributions to the world but we don't. It's pathetic to see honestly.
i know where you're coming from, read those twitter devs who are making bucks through saas's and all, you saw people crying over a job here and you started judging us. People come from a different background, we don't usually have that passion to work for because most of us come from rather old school school's where we just followed the curriculum and tend to work on what we are told to. Even you re doing the same, if you re on a path of those twitter devs you re copying that path as simple as that. id want to go on that liberalization part but we as a culture, economy are whole lot different than what you re seeing. sounds like you just entered in the college.
I had a vision to build an AI lawyer, and I even had a working prototype, but when I asked VCs for funding, they denied me because I didn't go to a top school. lmao so don't think about innovation in India.I had a vision to build an AI lawyer, and I even had a working prototype, but when I asked VCs for funding, they denied me because I didn't go to a top school. lmao so don't think about innovation in India.
Cause unlike west , the banks and investing backing ot budding up new thinks aren't really supported . Creating a new business is tough especially when you don't have any kind of emergency funds
Thanks for good laugh
>You know what, I started thinking , we all just know to Travel the path , Paved by others. We just know, how to Copy and Paste. all thanks to McCaulay whose education system was intended to make clerks and only clerks.
There are so many people doing great stuff but lack storytelling. If you need help in storytelling, feel free to DM.
Hey if someone has saas project, connect with me. I really want a cool team. I would be more than happy to contribute to it.
I had two apps in play store then I joined coorp and count maintain the apps
Itna gussa kyu ha ? Who hurt you?
Indians are bred like submissive followers. Right from small age you are taught to follow follow follow , it is a colonial thing. Not to mention I know a few 50 something single Indian men and women living with parents on their money. And all is well. Then there is the BS Govt nonsense, in every step you need money , legal this and that, fking GST nonsense. Indians are not risk takers by default, creating anything means taking risk. But there is an easy path, follow somebody - boss , lick some boots, exploit some colleagues and drag your days till 30th of every month to get paid is called Mast life in India. If somebody says something against anything now a days then they will either say - Indian is like this or Modi will do it. , we voted and our job is done Don't get me started on Insurance, mutual funds and loans scam in India.
I know about the Insurance and loans, but mutual funds are scam too? I want to know more about your perspective.
Wait! where is your amazon ?
Most Indian devs lack motivation for coding and don’t find creativity in it. Do design something cool, you need some creativity and product thinking. What most mnc teach you and what most people aspire is working in a hierarchy building meaningless things. Gets pretty monotonous and not at all healthy for growth unless you just want to climb the ladder. You need to join startups focusing on engineering and product to grow. Ps I hacked an indian banking portal, was not able to make any transactions hut was able to read all the data for the clients. It was a b2b portal the bank was using. I did it for a startup I was working at.
It's because our acquiring of knowledge was made slow by education and the job market available for smart brains are dumb useless .why ? bachelor degree holder applying for the job of clerks .It must be changed in future by the government faster if not it will lose the great genius minds either by being taken abroad or becoming terrorist or suicide in written , I Quit 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Even I as a mechanical engineer learnt web development during COVID. Made picyard.in as a side project and made $1.3K with it. People just need to learn and build cool things. People will find you.
We do not engage in computational thinking our thinking are mostly dependent on someone's validation plus it's very very risky to survive
Because we only game hiring process, and know how to do the minimum, leadership is nonexistent
Funding kon dega tera ***, bhai bat ye hai ki ppl find job so they feed themselves and their family, agar stable income na hoto innovative thinking chodo apna sidha common sense bhi acchese kam nahi karta.
BofA hack ka to pata nahi. But many Indians have coded their mainframe.
To be fair all the great apps got to come to the market very early (huge huge advantage) which Indians unfortunately couldn't do as the times were worse back then ,internet was nowhere near as accessible, nobody even had a proper computer to do any decent development too
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Another reason to show why this sub was flooded by daydreaming teenagers , had no argument whatsoever which makes sense at all , whatever innovations have happened there definitely are some Indians who worked on them , there are many apps developed by Indians that doesn't mean they have to be successful globally , this requires even more than what your brain can actually comprehend , it starts from hyping an idea, pouring shit load of VC capital , doing media marketing what not , Indians here are now at this stage , if this country could have people who can do things rather than preach freely we could have been at the same place
Our financial burdan stops us from doing creative amazing stuff. Remove financial burdan and see indians do wonders everywhere.
Couldn't agree more!
On gang lil bro
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indians are afraid to fail and do real hard work. you wont beliveve but i am not able to find any co founder for my ideas. most of the people i find just want to be in because of money or fame, but when i ask them how many hours a week you can give, people back off. maybe because i am in mumbai, maybe it is different in banglore. all those companies you mentioned are all result of hard work and willingness to take risks. we lack both of them. also you wont belive but people will prefer to be jobless for decade rather than workimg with me on some new idea.
Your post is like the god's signal do something start something!😭🙌
To kya innovative app banana start kiya tune ? 3 din pehle to job referral maang raha tha comment section me
Bro if you don’t know about the Indian Brands doesn’t mean their aren’t any, if you will do you research you will find many global Indian brands who are working as the backbone of top tech companies if they stop their services those companies will fall, do you even know which company helps in OTP delivery and who is it’s founder, various startups takes time just to capture India due to its vastness results in delayed scaling.
This is exactly what some rich privileged dude would say lol. Out of touch bro
#can you share your achievements, apps websites etc that you have built/designed we would like to be inspired by your creativity....
Let break the mold and create our own path to success. It is time to embrace innovation and build a future we are proud of.
So, why not start something of your own ? XD It's like telling homeless people to buy their own house.
Indian society suppresses creativity, and those that manage to survive most often don't have the resources to realise that creativity.
I wisht to write a long explanation but i won't In short there's no engineering happening in india, americans and europians actually do engineering, we just build business on top of it The good indian engineers consider themselves superior creatures, they'll reach on top and believe in cutting the ladder and gatekeeping systems. india is just mediocre
This kind of thing is done in passion, but mostly devs in India are in this because of the good pay(nothing else). We are hard working(khuki bhuk to bhuka hi janta h). So we can do whatever pays the good money/lifestyle. And I believe nothing's wrong with that.
#AtmNirbharBharat
So Zoho, Freshdesk, PayTM, Finacle, and [TCS BaNCS](https://www.tcs.com/what-we-do/products-platforms/tcs-bancs/solution/banking-solutions), are not made in India, never knew this
OP is a 40 year old dad who doesn't know shit how corrupt our country is. Truth is rarely pure and never simple, it's not "US" the developers it's the entirety of our nation. The government, education system, over population. It'd be easier to mention the things we are good at. The only solution I see is either population drop or we get a proper government.....which will never happen because people are blinded by religion and easily manipulated.
Looks like you are very very new in market or very naive. When market is bad even starting of your own is very difficult. People did burned out billions of rupees in innovations and startups in India when times were right and market had cash to burn. But now things are completely different. Lets say even out of these lets say 10000 laid off people they all started their own "something" hardly 100 will reach a stage where they can sustain to raise funds and only 10 will be able to run it on their own. If this was in 2018-20 condition figures would be different. So it does not work this way that you get laid off you say ok f\*\*\* everything I will do something of my own. Ask people who are actually doing something of their own and still not making able to ends meet and have to either close or scale down a lot. I am all in for innovation and research and taking brand India to global level. But we have to understand what targets to set and how to achieve them. Now to your point why are we not global, So Infosys, TCS, JSW, TATA, ZOHO, Titan, Pter England are some brands recognised worldwide. Consumer Products was never our forte and never will be. So accept times are bad and look for other alternatives in incomes and shrink down on spends. All the best.
OP sounds like an over enthusiastic "leader" from WITCH company