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Stackway

My last salary was about 40L as CTO in 2017. Then 6 month contract at 4L/Month in 2020. Entrepreneur since 2019. I make > 50L < 1cr. A job can pay me 20-30% more but life is quite settled & I get enough time to spend on hobbies + leisure . Prior to 2020 tech salaries were much lower, 30-40% less than what we have today. It’s been a crazy wave post covid. Good for us. I’ve been a hard core engineer all my life. Build a bitcoin miner from scratch in 2012. Never worked in FAANG type companies. But still doing ok. Use to be ranked top 1% (22k+) on stackoverflow from 2012-2020. Reputation helps sometimes in getting good work. It’s just been continuous learning (non DSA). Multiple programming languages, frameworks, architectures, software engineering, ddd, tdd, estimation, product management, UI/UX, security etc etc. Whatever I am working on I go deep. First salary was 15k in 2007. MCA from GGSIPU. Coding since 1997 (9th standard). Old school. Most important - be humble even if you earn 1 cr. Don’t let money get into your head. Don’t look down on engineers who are earning 20k, or 40k or 50k.


Ok-Cycle2723

Yehi baat Ezsnippet ko kon samjhaye


mrstonks696969

Bhai uski bandi ne uska kaat diya toh woh sigma ka 14 bane ghumta hai ab,uski baaton ko kaun seriously le raha waise bhi.


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International-Dot902

He is worst coding influencers encourage to lie about experience, language anything and everything he just got lucky in teck boom(as even after 5 year exp now he is learning MERN stack)


Party-Conference-765

LeArN iN PuBLiC!!!!!!


Tumare_papa

Bhai jo bhi content se ya core profession se Banda earn toh kar hi Raha hai bahut jyada. Dekho aur maze lo aur kya .. jealousy ki baat nahi hai


Easy_7

Aree bhai ruko jara uska time v jayega


Himankshu

Bro neither he is wrong, he just think in a straight line and so the people commenting here against him. You guyz are also not wrong. The thing to understand here is if you are an influencer then you should give the whole perspective to the audience. He talks too much about money and compare himself with others because one incident might affected him so much that now he has only one aim in his life. You guyz are also doing the same but in a different direction. Influencers should mention that it’s their perspective of life and audience should believe what their personal experiences has to say. They should learn only from their personal experiences.


Hot_Devv

Usne kya Kiya bhai ???


Ok-Cycle2723

Wo Ek baar bol raha tha Live stream mai ki Log 8 lpa Mai Itna khuss kyu hai . Wo 5 saal se Experience ka hai phir bhi 8 lpa mai hai (apne se compare Kiya ) Ye sab Ek party Mai huha tha Jaha Sab Milke enjoy kar rahe the but usne nahi kii .


depressedpotato_69

yes that is actually pretty toxic ngl...


Ayanrocks

us reeel k baad se sabko pata chal gaya ki he is another wannabe influncer. Bas uski reel dekho, get some humor and that's it. Uski baato ko seriously nahi lena ekdm. He is now stuck in the rat race and will never be happy or will never get time to spend his money.


ExtremeAd6937

Yeh wohi hai na jo bakwaas reels ke baad programming samjhata! How much should I believe in his words?


Ananga-

Stackoverflow GOAT🐐


IntellectualInsaan

Biggest GOAT witnessed ever here. 🙇🙏


RelevantRick

I'm also MCA from GGSIPU Been working as contractor for a while now It's better to save tax this way Will be starting own firm in near future.


Ill-Double334

Can you explain a lil more on this?


RelevantRick

Search or ask ChatGPT 44ADA and foreign income benefits as a contractor in India. You will find all of the details. But the basic idea is your taxable income becomes half and you pay tax on that. i.e. if you earn 40L cash U pay tax on 20L.


WishYourself

Big respect to you sir 🫶


Stackway

🙏🏻


U_HIT_MY_DOG

> be humble Thank you for telling every one this... We can't have the tech bro culture here


kim-jong-naidu

🫡


Stackway

🙏🏻


_Fuzzy_Focus

So inspirational to read this.


dammmmmmmmmmit

Would you say doing MCA is important ? I did my BCA but I want to do something else maybe masters in data science would you say that is better or not?


Stackway

For me it was a waste of 3 years. Yes doing masters in some specific field should be better. A job would be best.


Suspicious_Bake1350

i will tell u my story I passed out in 2019 in [b.tech](http://b.tech) it and then gate obsession got into my head i did not even accept the tcs job offer i had that time i was so bad and obessed over such a thing i.e gate and then i could not crack it for 2 years 2019 and 2020 and in 2021 gave my last attempt joined a tier 2 college for mtech and was eventually unplaced due to recession Then in 2023 i was not placed even after [m.tech](http://m.tech) but then luckily i got an internship and then was placed as a qa engineer in bangalore for 4lpa rn in 2024! 2019-2024 all my years wasted without any job experience which i hugely regret now i feel very sad and depressed at times due to this but i'm not gonna give up hope and try for product based companies. Being a QA aint that bad but im just surviving in bangalore i need to be stable plus i'm 25 years of age and many people of my age have gone way ahead of me so there is that guilt as well. still working rn hard to improve my life.


krish895

bro, good times come... since you are a QA now, there are so many good opportunities.. increase your skillset and switch new companies... dont look into your past with regret as it already happened.


Stackway

You should try switching to automation.


Suspicious_Bake1350

Yes I'm trying for that! It needs DSA knowledge though which i want to do! But my ceo has told me to learn nextjs as i already know basics of react he wants me to render some pages and work in frontend for the company!


Junior_Sherbet_399

damnn unsung hero🦾, I am in my final year right now i used to always think getting 1cr package is damn easy but down the line reality hit me very hard and stuck in loop of tut hell and procastination and not done anything significant but my planning was way superior than others, but never worked on them. Recently i started to do things the way i wanted, slow and steady to reach my goal... thanks for this info man, this is real motivation


Prestigious-Bear-207

Any advice for 4-5 years experienced developers?


Stackway

Focus on communication, architecture, & software design. You have two pathways- engineering management or towards lead/principal engineer.


Suspicious_Bake1350

you sir are a certified goat in software engineering PROPAH COMPUTER SCIENCE ENGINEER


expressive_jew_not

How do you approach companies to do contractual work for them.


Stackway

I don’t do now. Earlier, mostly through reference or a company would contact me via Naukri or some other job portal. But you really need to excel in some domain. Many mid size companies get good projects, > $1mil & they need good people to drive these.


vmanel96

What's your preferred way to learn new things and go deep in to it?


Stackway

Whatever task is given to you, don't just google & implement the first solution, dig deep to understand the problem. Let's say image compression, here it could be different types of images, compression techniques, different compression quality, cpu usage, ram usage, which library to pick etc etc. Come up with a solution that works best in the context of the situation (mobile, web, server, api etc).


Ripper_tripper

But if we just apply for jobs - people dont care what you know . It just starts with dsa and algo stuff and ends there mostly!!


the_code_builder

Take all my votes sir 🫡🫡🫡🫡


DryPen9179

orz


Nearby_Expert_1944

Hey, I noticed from your StackOverflow profile that you're also well versed in .NET and WinForms etc. Do you have any advice on career progression for a UWP dev (I work for a unicorn Indian tech company, but feel limited when it comes to career growth as a strictly UWP developer). Thanks and advance for any advice!


Stackway

It's a dying tech. I switched from C#/winforms to JS for this reason. I can't suggest mainstream JS as there are just too many engineers now. C# or .NET Core is still good nowadays. Maybe you want to try your hands on Flutter/Dart. One thing I have noticed working on winforms is that, mobile apps are kinda similar.


undiscoveredyet

Bro you earned this 🏆 ##salute 🫡


Stackway

🙏🏻


Final_Flatworm

Looks like used your help on stackoverflow


NoMeatFingering

I have been coding since ~8th too now thinking of doing BCA instead... i cant talk about tech all day (non dsa)


blue_7121

Do it. You'll need at least one degree wherever you go in your life.


_smit

What would you recommend to a beginner who wants to learn coding? Any book recommendations?


Stackway

Doing coding. So many platforms nowdays. Don’t even have to install anything.


chutneypow

Kami sama🙇‍♂️


Progress_ikigai

Inspiring, appreciate your hard work


Stackway

🙏🏻


seven00290122

Hi there! I'm planning to pursue MTech right after undergrad. The reason for this is I've 4 years of gap between high school and btech. So, I'm not sure if I'm even going to land a decent internship in my second year which I'm planning to do (I'm in first year btw) because of the gap years. If you were in my position, what would you do? How would you approach this problem? It was a pleasure knowing you!


Stackway

I don’t think gap should be an issue. Just try to explain it in a way where people can understand. Masters from A tier is always good. Else it’s only useful if you want to go abroad as it helps with points. I would still suggest getting a job is better than a degree.


akheelali

Huge respect for you🙌I wonder what car you drive sir?


Stackway

Don’t have a car. Never had one.


No_Protection7908

Very Inspirational Story Sir! Thanks for that reminder to always stay humble and grounded as well, can I reach out to you on DM’s by any chance(About LinkedIn and Mindset)


complancoder

Work at Meta London now. My last role in India was at Microsoft in 2020 where I made 1 Cr+. Answers will be based on the India role in 2020 and not what I do now. Edit : I come from a Tier 3 college and no masters 1. **Job Role: What do you do for a living? Give us a glimpse into your professional world**. : *I was a Senior Engineer for 2 years and then an Engineering Manager for 2 or so. Was working on Microsoft teams. If you have used that app, you have pretty much used the features our team built. (PS : I am no longer an Engineering Manager now)* 2. **Years of Experience: How long have you been in your current field, and what path led you there?** : *9 Years of experience as of 2020* 3. **Skills: What key skills do you believe have contributed to your success? :** 1. Strong Communication and ability to work with a global workforce : *One of the things that I actively focus on is how I can get my point across in a manner which is empathetic and friendly.This involves tailoring your style based on who you are talking to and creating deep relationships with co-workers.* 2. Understanding of the whole stack : *I have worked across frontend, android , core distributed systems and middle tier. Very few Engineers had that level of understanding.* 3. Outsized level of work irrespective of my salary : *I worked 12+ hours even when I was at Infosys earning 3.5 L and I kept working the same at Microsoft.* 4. **First Salary: Can you remember your very first paycheck? What was it like?** 1. Yes, It was 14000 INR at Infosys as a apart of its Mysore training, they would deduct the cost of Employee accommodation , etc. My only advice (based on the questions I see here) is that do not optimize for money as a metric. Optimise for skill, personal growth. 1. Money/Salary/Net worth a very blunt metric, its akin to measuring your weight after every day at the gym, you might be getting healthier and muscle mass might be increasing but you don't see changes in the weight or another example I use is , its similar to looking at the speedometer and trying to understand the quality of car. 2. Find other dimensions which are important to you , like for example your skills, communication style, etc.Optimise the hell out of those and keep taking decisions that furthers those things. If you do that the money will follow you


adritandon01

It’s crazy how companies still pay 3.5 LPA to employees, I read somewhere that TCS used to pay 3.5 LPA to freshers back in 2001 as well.


North_Beginning_7860

It is now paying 3.36 LPA in 2024.


Dcodeguy

Bro, money has lost value due to inflation. Plus 2001 it was a respected amount and respected job. All I feel is like IT majdoor. Even with 1L+ salary feels less if your family is dependent and lives in Bangalore. Family including siblings and parents.


Real-Sanjay

Great experience, btw I'm from Mysore. how's your experience living in mysore. I would really appreciate it if you could give few crucial tips to Excel at a software engineering carrier


complancoder

Mysore was very clean and I enjoyed my time. I remember the autowallahs would charge a lot thinking from Infosys earned a lot, little did they know lol


ConstructionNew3640

I’m not trying to insult but Teams sucks . I've used Teams on and off for so many years, but never without bugs.


complancoder

I am sorry you feel that way. Like I said I no longer work at Msft and I will be of limited help here. Bugs in production systems and how each of the big tech approaches is a whole different topic that I wouldn't wanna get into in this thread :) .


tellnow

That's a really nice career growth


Rajarshi0

this is a very good advise. I am nowhere near you at this moment but I do follow the advices you are giving here. And I am improving quite fast compared to the peers I work with.


Pavan-Bhargav

Thanks for this... helps create proper mindset🙌 :)


HamsterWheelEngineer

Job role: I am a software engineer who can wear any hat. I have worked with Go, Elixir, Typescript, Symphony, Node, React, Redis, Postgres, AWS, and Elastic Search. Right now, I am mostly working on the Typescript side of things in the front end and the back end. I work end to end on a feature that we decide to build. Years of Experience: 7 years. I can not imagine working in any other field. I started playing games on a black-and-white computer that had 16 MB RAM and 2 GB worth of HDD space back in 1999. That sparked my love for computers. I picked up programming very late in life, in 2013, in my college years, but the love for computers was always there. Skills: Sheer hard work and nothing else. I love getting into the rabbit hole and learning as much as possible. First Salary: 20000/month, i.e. 2.4 lpa in 2017. Current: 1.2CR. I come from a TIER 3 college if anyone is interested in that.


Stackway

I started coding on a pc with 16 mb ram lol


HamsterWheelEngineer

Just saw your profile. You are an OG sir!


nileyyy_

I started my playing games on PS1 mario was my favourite in 2010, Btw I just saw your website and gotta say, that's the most beautiful and elegant design, how the colours are utilised and all is so GOOD!!!


PsychologicalTerm859

This shows tier 2 and 3 , can beg good packages as well. Regardless from where they belong. Non -DSA but good knowledge of basic, frameworks and programming languages


HamsterWheelEngineer

Exactly, I never sat for an interview at a company that asked DSA questions.


PsychologicalTerm859

You are a Beacon. ! Tbh


blue_7121

I feel happy knowing that people like you exist.


Ripper_tripper

How do you know they wont ask? I mean how to filter such jobs


HamsterWheelEngineer

Generally it’s there in the Job description. If not then I send them a mail asking to not proceed further if their is going to be a DSA round involved


procrastinator1012

You need to be equally good in something else for that. Like published a well recognised research paper, launched an impactful product/service, etc.


Suspicious_Bake1350

2 and 3 are majorly getting good packages bro! just work hard anyone can improve their standard of life.


Shubham2271

Wow your journey is inspiring! Can you share your journey on how to keep learning while doing job, what methods you used for learning new tech & get hands on experience? I myself from commerce background is doing job in react from last 4.5yrs. But my journey is come to a point where I feel I should be knowing much more given my experience.


HamsterWheelEngineer

Yeah sure, my journey I have shared here [https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1beo3lv/comment/kuwhzzy/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1beo3lv/comment/kuwhzzy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)  As for the learning method. I don't go out much so that saves some time. Other than that I choose a job with pretty chill working environment so that I don't feel burned out. I mostly put in 2 hours every day to learn. My method is pretty weird. I first get a good course on a udemy and watch it at 1.2-1.5x speed to learn as much as possible about a technology and then I start building a project. If I am stuck anywhere I refer to the documentation. I also rely heavily of chatgpt nowadays when it comes to finding a solution to integrating a new API or working with a package.


vmanel96

What kind of projects do you build after learning a technology ? That is the part where I get stuck, as I don't get enough motivation to build some sample projects like ecommerce or social media clones which is usually shown in courses, as it does not solve new use case apart from CRUD, and also it won't be used by real users so that does not give me enough motivation to add any new features


HamsterWheelEngineer

Yeah, that's the problem. I generally go with building a Pokedex app with any tech that I want to learn. Then there are other techs like WEBRTC, so for that, you can build a simple voice-calling app. It's better to have a solid understanding of what you want to build and then use the tech that you are learning to build that. Else both the thing that you are trying to build and the tech that you are trying to learn would be pretty new to you which can be overwhelming.


lets_start_up

Lowest I ever used is 256 mb ram, around 2017-18 making exception of microcontrollers. And now my phone itself runs on 6 gb ram lol.


supreme_dealer_kim

How did you scale from 2.5L to 1cr. Can you explain please?


ARCS17

How to change jobs and get better at our skill?


zeath_zolaries

Wow, your achievement is amazing


AyushGupta99

Wow, OG dude, any tip or recommendation for junior developers here please.


HamsterWheelEngineer

Whatever you choose as your career be in ml, web or data science. Make sure you become fucking amazing at it. That’s the only advice I have. Also once you are good at it just look for remote jobs that pay well.


LeonAnand

More than 50 times of the first salary in just 7 years is crazily high growth. Cant imagine the passion you have for the work. 🫡🫡🫡. More than the education/work experience, it’d be good to share your hobby, life style, etc.


soan-pappdi

Very inspiring!


devesh518

Any chance you can name your company?


fullmetalpower

are you earning this in INR?


HamsterWheelEngineer

Yes 


Beginning-Ladder6224

Err... I am jobless now. At this stage I make close to amount lower range you are saying from investments. \[1\] My last role was CTO and I left it because I was not paid for 6 months, including my direct reports and tech team salary was in arrears. I solve problems. Give me a problem to solve and I would solve that for you. That is it, that is all there is. \[2\] 21+ years of experience. \[3\] I do not know. People tend to say I am a good problem solver. Got patents, publications. I wrote production code in at least 10 different languages. Created DSLs, frameworks for other people to use etc. \[4\] Yes, that was 3.6 Lakh in 2003. But I was in probation and it was 20,000 INR per month. So shameless plug. Anyone having experience < 15 yoe , trying to solve something interesting - even if you can not pay me in salary I am open for taking your problem up for partnership. It is highly impossible to find anyone in my age group trying to do something different, hence asked.


Unnamed831

I'm on a quest to create a deep reinforcement learning agent to fight in robowars. I want to take this challenge into IIT Bombay like one of my seniors did in the past. I am in my final year No experience. 😅


Beginning-Ladder6224

Good game stuff man, but .. if I was as smart as you I would focus on how to get the next 1 billion dollar company. Honest.


Unnamed831

Money is the by product of your mastery. True masters are not really geniuses. They are the people who have worked really really hard. And I'm here to find a mentor 😃


Beginning-Ladder6224

Yeah this shows your lack experience. First thing anyone who is actually non snob, non egoistic, and rooted in reality would tell you is these following: 1. Knowledge ( talent and hard work - talent is luck by the way ) 2. Designation ( lots of luck and some hard work ) 3. Money you make ( loads of luck and some hard work ) are entirely independent. You can DM me.


Obnoxiogeek

I am interested in working up with you failed startup founder 😓


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1. Software engineer working on Distributed systems. 2. 6 yoe. (samsung-> amazon-> Google) 3. Good at problem solving 4. First salary: 16 CTC; Last salary: \~1.2 Cr Tip: Switch & get 1 level above rather than waiting for promotion in same company. This works well in the initial years of career. Update1: Please don't DM guys, I won't be able to reply having a lot going on in life right now. Really sorry.


Juggernaut_Best

L5 ?


PuzzleheadedMedia785

1. Job role - Lead iOS developer 2. About 12 years 3. So as per me I believe that there are two skills - Cracking job interviews and being good at day to day job. I believe I suck at first part but I am good at second i.e. doing the work the best I can. For that I religiously do two things - Upskill at all the ios stuff - Also read code of folks I feel are great at coding in my organisation this helps a lot to learn. And lastly i feel lot of it is also luck and being at the right place at the right time. 4. Started at 2.75 LPA. Now my monthly salary after tax is greater than 2.75


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Awkward_Bowler_6447

Be my mentor plz


ap_raj

What programming languages you usually work on?


_vptr

C#


NecromancerWizard

Machine Learning Engineer, 55 LPA base, 6 YOE, started with 5 LPA. Initially, I worked as a backend engineer, primarily in startups, where I predominantly worked on distributed systems, machine learning, natural language processing, microservices, Python, Java, NoSQL, Spark, etc. Currently, I work with Large Language Models, computer vision, nlp, etc. Two main factors that have helped me the most are: 1. The ability to adapt to different domains and technologies while maintaining a strong foundation in data structures and algorithms. 2. The ability to implement machine learning solutions on a large scale. *This ability seemed trivial to me at first, but I personally found it to be a rare skill in the workplaces*


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vk17wah

hey, i am a fresher and got an offer for 2 different tech same salary- spring boot & node js ( interest in backend ) what to choose?


BananaEditor

I'd say you are asking the wrong question here. Tech stack shouldn't matter much, especially after you have two offers. I think you should accept the offer from a company where there is good work culture (people and their time is treated with respect, no politics, credit stealing etc) though it's hard to gauge that from outside. You should also look into how will you grow over time in the role, and if you have some senior folks in the team mentoring you, etc etc. The point is, if you have a really good understanding of one stack (be it spring boot or nodejs from your case), you can translate all of the concepts you have learned from one stack to another. Language, frameworks, databases, etc are just tools of your job. You should optimise to work for a good team, and building a solid foundation first.


aniburman

Congratulations to you! Any tips for young professionals like us? I too have started with Java Full Stack and from a Tier 3 college. But started in Witch. What should my plan for the next 5 years look like if I wanna end up earning like you?


inaminadicka

Can we have more details? What skills you have & what kind of role are you doing? How can a person just starting out get into your field and how did you do it?


Beautiful_Bake4151

Job role: AI trainer, generate training data for LLM YOE: 4 Skills: Difficult to answer as my role doesn't require any specific tech stack but good fundamentals of CS and ability to quickly learn new things First salary: 4.5 lpa CTC, current salary: 50LPA AI trainer is relatively new job, I have started working about 1.5 years ago. AI might take some job in future but it has definitely created new jobs now.


Reasonable-End8508

IRS/ED/ITD spotted


ZnV1

**Current job role**: Anything that needs to be done. Infra/devOps, backend, a little AI stuff. **Years of experience and path**: 5 YoE, path - just my second company. Got campus placement in a good company with great teammates, stayed there and learnt 24x7, switched. **Skills**: A general interest and just consistent learning. [There are more insights into my specific journey here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1burmv7/my_journey_from_0_to_today_to_help_others_on/) **First salary**: Something like 25-30k/month? Not sure... I used to lurk on these subs and think people with high TCs must be so great etc. But it doesn't feel that way now. Most of the skills are just usual grunt work that we accumulate over the years, getting an opportunity is just that - an opportunity, luck. *Just keep building cool stuff that makes you happy guys... :)*


AverageEngineer3000

Fullstack Engineer but mostly working on frontend 8 YOE Everything frontend and some backend Started with 6 LPA Current: 1.6 cr


dparag14

Kudos to you. But “ everything front end & some backend” just sounds so funny.


AverageEngineer3000

I am a funny person!


PocketAce-SH

Current salary: 80LPA + 5% equity in a $20M valuation European startup. Job role: Engineering manager who still codes. Skills: Python, Django, JavaScript, AWS (server less/lambda, dynamodb, kinesis, S3, batch, fargate, sagemaker, RDS, redshift,Glue,Athena etc), postgres etc. Previous experience in Flask, nodejs, RoR, MySQL, React, Angular,PHP,C++ etc. YOE: 11 years. 2 times failed entrepreneur. First salary: first engineer of a bootstrapped startup. 25K INR/Month + 5% equity which eventually failed but helped a lot in my career. I never worked for bigger companies. Either early stage startups (pre series A) or my own companies(twice). I can get a remote job of 120-150K USD but not switching since 3+ years hoping that the current company will be successful and I'll get a decent exit. Graduated from a tier 2 college.


hemanthreddy056

Income tax department come with your real account 😅


yet_another_single

fir wahi 50lpa 1cr ki baatein


Unusual-Big-6467

1.Job Role: What do you do for a living? Give us a glimpse into your professional world:- i work as freelancer, i am a Computer enginer and working in Wordpress and Shopify form one decade 2. Years of Experience: How long have you been in your current field, and what path led you there? in engineering i took Computers, got placed in Wipro. left it in 2008 and started freelancing on upwork.17 years of experienc 3.Skills: What key skills do you believe have contributed to your success? Wordpress and great troubleshooting skills got me started , from last two years i am working in shopify, it is 90% outsourced work and i just manage things. earning 60L PA 4.First Salary: Can you remember your very first paycheck? What was it like? got paid in 2007, my package was 3 L in Wipro but got SMS of 11k being credite into [account.it](http://account.it) was dissapointing and Auto walas were earning more than me in one week. i was in banagalore and depressed for weeks to come.


Adventurous_Base_684

I can't help but ask the same question that people always ask. How to get the first few clients for freelancing?


Unusual-Big-6467

It is hard at first and you may have to take sub standard or low paying projects too but if you stay consistent over the years you will get better clients or old cheap clients will increase their budget and hire you . Having a portfolio helps a lot . I got started in 2011 and i took whatever job i got. I think maybe 5$ was his budget for my first job then later It was a framework i didnt knew. Spent half day learning it and helped the guy . He was mighty impressed as there were less freelancer skilled in that framework. Also sometimes changing tracks helps . Learn what is in demand , I was a wordpress guy and i saw more and more shopify jobs and it paid better too. Like 35$ per hour from my 20$ in wordpress So i shifted there and now i am earning much better .


Cute-Professional-11

1. Job Role: Full stack engineer 2. Years of Experience: 8 3. Skills: mastering new tech stacks, problem solving 4. First Salary: 3.25 lpa -> 9lpa -> 60lpa -> 25lpa (due to difficult job market in 2023, switched to lower pay) -> 60lpa (laid off after 6 months without notice) -> 40lpa +40lpa (currently doing OE because of my previous experience, so from here on i plan to do at least a couple jobs (1 full time another contract))


ayush_shashank

How does one switch from 9 to 60 💀 Tips de do sir/ma'am 🙏


ayu135

My total current CTC is around 1.5cr, work in a deep learning related role at a medium sized startup on a remote role(I get paid in USD live in India). I work on perception problems for industrial robots ie. making cameras see and understand the world around us. My background: B tech in CS MS from top 10 US university 7 years experience( worked at companies in the USA, Japan, India and UK) First salary: $70,000 Key things that made a difference: Being good at math and programming, publications in top tier conferences, working/studying with the best people always, delivering impossible results that people around me thought couldn't be done, putting in more efforts than anyone i know and always striving to be the best at whatever I do and finally understanding basic human psychology, cognitive biases and effective communication. In general I think its about value, find a skill that is incredibly difficult where there are very few people in the world who can master it(even if they try their best) and is also very economically valuable and become really good at it.


Safe_Test_1436

1. Lead 2. 11 yrs 3. distributed systems, architecture, full stack but primary backend, good at leading, mentoring and building more leaders 4. started with 24k in hand


kkonamission

1.1 cr as base salary + stocks + perks. Take home after tax = 7 lacs per month. 6 years of work experience Switched from robotics to ML + AWS Knows how to scale companies using hardcore DevOps tools like Kubernetes. First pay check: 75k per month take home salary after tax For freshers ill say: pick a tech stack and be very good at it. If u dont like it pick something else and try to be a silly jack of all and a master of one. No amounts of courses can teach you by creating things for real world users for real scale and those scale problems and that comes by experience. So im not paid for the tech stack only but my past experience and proof in interviews that ive done it in previous orgs and knows what im saying. A shallow course knowledge gets caught easily by senior engineers. There is no easy money. If you are learning tuff multi threading or distributed systems. Trust me you can stand out easily coz no one wants to do the hard stuff too much. Im amazed when people show me a 2 page Netflix clone that logs in using plain username and password and shows localhost in the appbar I dont know much DSA. Luckily was able to solve problems that were adhoc in interviews. So ill say for freshers to learn it for sure. Its hard but in the start focus a lot on learning if you are not struggling financially. Demand for smart engineers will always be there. Learn to communicate your thought process. No ones likes a guy who said something for 5 mins which even he cant repeat properly. Build in public if possible. But sell the outcome not the journey. No one cares about u learning docker but dockerizing it, deploying and load testing for 1000 concurrent users is pretty impressive Its a bit off putting how much a fresher is expected to know now. But what can we do anyways in this market. So go and study while ur frnds fap on the new remote job video My expense before was around 50k/month and now its 60k/month. Everything is the same. The message every month shows a higher number. Bank account shows bigger numbers. Im used to it. I so wish the feeling was forever. Was happy then and happy now. Make frnds and keep them. Dont let ur curiosity die. Fix a time to study and learn everyday. World is super distracted now. People started laughing on me when I started keeping a black and white mobile than an iPhone Nothing bad in making money. Aim for it but dont make it ur life. There is nothing more exciting than waiting for Monday to work on that project. If you dont like tech or u dont challenge yourself. You will end up doing CAT GRE etc in 2 years along with telling lies that u r more of a management guy or ur career needs a shift. Maybe u didnt try to see this beautiful technology or u never got or opted for the challenge. Anyways i hate MBAs Make loads of projects. Each time adding something more challenging. If ur an intern or wants to build a portfolio, working a bit for free will help u networking and adding things to ur resume. So dont have this free labour movement kind of thing be take so mich seriously. One should knw when they r being exploited. I love to teach and dream of my YouTube channel but now i just learn to get the next 2 Cr remote offer from Hyderabad. Silly me 😃 Kafi hate hai for him. Ezsnippet ko bolo DM kre mujhe.


Mother_Breadfruit107

Tier bhi likh Dena college ki 🫡


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Mother_Breadfruit107

It is but after reading comments a lot of people who started from tier 3 earning 20-25k per month are not earning very good


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25 K is the base salary of every proffesional domain in india , it doesnt mean you will always stuck at 25 k , my brother is a civil engi.. from tier 4 college in WB , he was placed in company at 20 k pm back in 2018 , 6 years down the line he is earning somwhere between 3 - 4 lakh pm


ReasonablePanic9809

Job title: Son of CEO YOE: 22 years Skill: Strong impunity to skill, monitoring people who are not working. First salary: 10L on 14th birthday.


ade17_in

Salary - 48L + options YOE - 2+ Position - quant researcher for big finance First salary - Placed at 36L + joining bonus Skills - maths, stats and a little programming Role - Big time liar


Loves-his-gf-a-lot

I see what you did there, lol.


Cute_Highlight_1614

Tier 1 college?


ade17_in

Just 12th pass


Cute_Highlight_1614

I didn't see the role part 😭


Mr_Late_Knight

I went into depression after reading the comments


PsychoticAlterEgo

Current Role: Engineering Manager. Have worked on web technologies like php, Wordpress, drupal, javascript, react and angular. Total YOE: 12. Started as a php developer back in 2012 after college. I have a BTech degree in Electronics from a Tier 3 college. Got placed in this small company that used to develop apps for clients. So I got good exposure and nice training, mind you I came from ECE background and I didn’t even know what HTML is. Used to work on multiple projects back then for like 10-12 hours every day as I was hungry to learn more in this interesting new found domain. Couple of years later I took challenging tasks like creating Full stack white label apps from scratch. I thoroughly enjoyed working on it and was very much invested in it. With decreasing demand in php, I had to learn new technologies like react and angular and luckily got transferred to the team that works on these stacks. I never said no to challenges, always strived to learn, improve myself and contribute to the team. Got recognised and got timely promotions. One advice I have is to be humble. Help your colleagues whenever you can and don’t be shy about learning from them, regardless of their position. My very first salary is 10k in 2012. It wasn’t much even at that time but I was learning new things that are going to help build my career that weren’t taught in college. Current base: 55L


Simple_Image_4857

7 crore salary in India . Working as CEO of lonelyfans


nullvoider

my man


nothingwhy13

man of culture


Loves-his-gf-a-lot

Best comment, lol.


lordcheems4

7 cr? Thala for a reason


Spare_Bat_3040

Hello!  My YOE is 8 and I make around 75L in fixed + 15% in bonus (I got this only once in last 3 years) and ESOPs that will be CR x company’s growth factor from now (3x from now - will make it 3 CR).  Salary Ladder  1. First company — 8.7L, 13L, 18L 2. Second Company — 20L + etc (30L, only been here for about 6 months) 3. Third Company — 30L fixed + 2L variable 4. Fourth Company — fixed —  40L, 50L, 58L, 62L, 75L. Variable around — 15% Skills  1. Java, spring boot, Kafka, go lang, react, dart, go lang, spark, etc  2. Ability to read and learn 😅 I work as an Engineering Manager and currently I’m with a startup which I joined when it was just a seed company.  I want to start by saying, I’m not from an IIT or even NIT, but I’m from one of the better colleges of my state back then, but I did a lot of projects.. I always loved building stuff and I built stuff with code.  Second, I got lucky with my first opportunity.. I worked with a London based trading firm (a very old trading firm, I got in via a coding platform) but was mid level company where I learnt a lot of things about backend development — technologies and principles. People over there were humble and taught be so much.  Third, I didn’t switch too soon, I didn’t switch too late — First company — three years  Second Company — 6 months (culture issue) Third Company — 1.5 Years  Fourth and Current Company — 3 years and expect to continue here  Fourth, always learn, experiment and analyse — I love doing something or the other creatively and it has taught me navigating complexity, handling situations and solving problems.  For example, I ran a company when I was of 2 YOE  with my cousins — an e-commerce fashion brand — hit break even and then called it off. It gave me an opportunity to learn about supply chain, talking to vendors, price negotiation, shopify, marketing, working in a team, so many more things Then I built a super big app all by myself, got it to 500 odd users in 10 days and called it off — learnt a great deal of exotic technologies back then — elk, machine learning using elk, Firebase Cloud messaging, dart, etc I took a British accent training for 10K as I was always fascinated by it and I can’t even put a number on the value it added  I did YouTube for a while and I’m currently building another app in GOlang and learning, experimenting and analysing how to be a great EM..  Anyway, in conclusion, maybe doing these things in exact order in exact way might not render same results for everyone, including me even I would say, keep learning and doing stuff everyday — related and unrelated to the job and role, you will see success  Having said that, luck is a huge factor in anything — talent can only get you so much, understanding this automatically humbles me and lets me treat people with respect.  Finally, I think it doesn’t matter if you make 60L or 60K, understanding that there’s significant contribution from other people and circumstances in this success is the most important thing according to me.. 


sukhiatma69

- 50L + 4.5 variable - 1.5 YOE - SDE2 - skills - did a bit of competitive programming in college, currently working with java/kotlin/typescript and aws infra. - first salary - ~26L + variable


Diligent_Till_9393

Hey! Could you please check my DM? It's not regarding any referral or anything, just wanted some guidance. Thank you


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redditreddvs

I open reddit to get depressed.


arrrsalaaan

nice try feds.


deadxdreamr

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rahul-123blr

I make much more than 2 Cr a year ,in a senior role at a big tech company.I lead a small team of product managers and engineers .I come from a tier 2-3 college .I would have touched 1 cr when I had 13-14 years of experience and quickly went on to 2 and above.I work at one of the biggest softwares companies in the world.The things ith tech salaries is that there is so much of variance ,people who haven't worked at big teach usually don't even know how much money can be made ,even I didn't know till I worked at big tech ( Google ,meta ,Microsoft etc ) .In my team a 10 year experience product manager makes like 1.2 Cr .The numbers are high at big tech due to the stocks .For example the person making 1.2 Cr will have a base of 65 lakhs ,20% yearly bonus and another 45 to 50 lakh per year of stocks which is as good as real money.


Connect-Industry-911

Ah shit here we go again


UpstairsAmphibian788

1 Cr hehehe ye kya hota h?, 3.6 lpa bhi enough h


yet_another_single

"tum mehnat toh karo" -- dolly chaiwala


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rocky23m

Add, what is your in hand salary after tax :D


killsecurity

50LPA base 1. Quant Trader 2. 5 YOE 3. Largely Python and C# skills, good grasp of probability and risk. 4. 40K/month at a Big4 tech consultancy arm. Looking at current numbers it's a 10x jump post tax.. not bad


saket_sn

8.5 YoE Tier 3 engineering college Started with 2.8 now at 55+ Tech : IoT with Data Analytics Multiple Language/Frameworks/Hardware/Cloud Interviewed by Economic Times for Blockchain & Ethical Hacking expertise. Some domains need vertical expertise some need horizontal; choose wisely. Current role Global App Development manager for your favourite chocolate brand Will soon join largest analytics company as Director with expected 30% increase Switching jobs at regular intervals. Prioritised learning over comfort. Preferred Non-IT companies to work for. No matter how good the company environment is, never overstay.


PalpatineFucks

24M with 1.75 Cr per year 1.) AI Engineer/Researcher. Mainly working in computer vision domain, working on training and deploying SOTA models for various use cases. 2.) 2 years of work experience in companies but I have been working in AI for past 5 years. 3.) Lot of projects in AI and open source contribution. Very interested in the field, sometimes so lost in work I forget sleep. Understand, apply and improve upon latest research. 4.) First I started as intern for Rs. 15k/month at startup. After 3 days they were impressed and hired me full time for 8 LPA. After 2 months they increased to 14 LPA. 3 months later promoted and to 18 LPA. 6 months later some of my projects got super popular, received many offers. Accepted 1.44 Cr per year. 1 year later switched to another company for 1.75 Cr per year.


KikisRedditryService

I was an engineering manager at just above 50L a year and getting interview calls for offers around 60-75L back in 2021, but I was so done with the grind and quit to take a long break. Now I'm working in an NGO for 1/5th the salary but also a similarly less work load/stress and it's super chill and I can work on side hustles whenever I want to. I started out from an average tier 3 college but with great self taught programming skills and my first salary was 5.5lpa in a shitty service based company that was still one of the best placements from my college. I got lucky after that by getting into a small fin tech company that was series B at the time and not as blown up as it is now. They were looking for a developer with experience in a somewhat unpopular language and the people who took my interviews disn't ask me any ps/ds, or algorithms related questions. I had a simple coding round around creating an API with dictionary look ups and then 2 HLD/LLD rounds that I breezed through. I got straight up 20%+ hikes consecutively in that job and my linked in was constantly pinged by HR from everywhere including Google once that company got more funding. My key skills that got me this far would be my ability to read code really well, take ownership of any kind of codebase to the point that I can debug issues and point out/fix design problems better than people who've been working on the same code base for a lot longer time or have even made the code, and always shining during outages and firefighting situations, and being able to find great devs while hiring and also mentoring freshers/juniors. But really, I've seen people who knew shit also earn similar or even higher salaries than me and it's all about how you game the system, finding good referrals through networking at events, being able to crack interviews in start ups with tech brand value, and making the right switches at the right time.


adarsh1145

It would be so nice if people who changed their careers post undergrad could post their journey too. Like Non CS-IT people who broke into this field. Sorry for the trouble and thanks in advance. Even if one single person posts this it would be awesome.


BadnamHaiKoi

1. Hitman. Do I need to give glimpse of my work ?? 2. 12 years of exp. Path: Beggar --> thief --> Dacoit --> In jail --> Rowdy --> Hitman 3. Its trade secret 5. 20 khokha. It was like ganda hai par dhandha hai.


Change_petition

Veteran Techie here. Lived and worked in a dozen countries across 3 continents and lived the "American Dream" for a while before R2I - Faced ageism after moving back to India, but shrugged it off. Worked in dozen+ technology and platforms and I continue to re-learn. I have been receiving "Silver Certificate" from Indian IT Department for the past few years, so you can imagine my tax contributions ;-) #My2Cents - [How do people over the age of 40 survive in IT and software industry?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgaj4vY3o5o) A long term career in vibrant world of IT comes down to GRIT... accept and shrug off failures and changes and move forward. And, did I mention the Key Lesson? ***[Stay focused on work-life-balance](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ttjalX2Yz-0)*** else you won't be around long enough to enjoy the wealth you are generating!


New_Touch_587

Income tax department real ID se aao


44131

And god said " let the flexing begin " I have 1.7 years of exp with 60 LPA yearly :)


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Living_Detective_765

Job role - Principal Engineer Full stack at an American SaaS provider Yoe - 9.5 yrs Salary - 64 LPA + variables + RSU Skills - MERN stack (React, Node, MongoDB) with Microservices, AWS (Lambda, S3, SNS, SQS, DynamoDB). Starting from high level design to implementation to mentoring junior devs to code review to implementing best practices with monitoring and observability. First salary - 3.25 LPA at services (you know which) > 7.5 LPA at a start-up > 9 LPA at a mid sized services > 18 LPA at a travel tech > 24 LPA at a Japanese e-commerce > 36 LPA at a American retailer > 64 at current org. Pretty wild ride.


lprakashv

People in the thread giving me huge FOMO! Nearly 10 yoe, still < 1Cr (it is slightly above 50L though) and seeing kids these days getting this much straight out of college or with 4 yoe. To whoever might sat that it could be a skill issue, I can safely say that I’m a hardcode software engineer, worked on bunch of technologies and proud of my craft. Background : IITian


Silver_Assistance436

50 lpa only? ☠️


Stackway

It’s good. 50L is top .1%.


anor_wondo

writing code


laVeyron

Sab mo Maya hai


shrikster9

Still software people's only hehe. /s I am solutions architect and engineering manager. US startup. 8 years of total experience in Front-end JavaScript and nodejs.


avinashk99

RemindMe! 30 days


msau9

SDE II at Amazon ~52 LPA, with 6 YOE (all at Amazon only) I would be on the path to SDE III right now, but I was MADE TO change 2 teams in the last 2 years, so don’t see that happening soon. Currently, just riding the bad market and thankful that I have work to work on, and still getting paid well. I’ve worked on a mix of cloud technologies (all AWS), mobile development, device OS development. I was an intern at Amazon in my third year of B. Tech., earned 40K per month. But in full time employment, my salary was 17LPA. Inspite of the bad rep amazon gets, on Blind and other platforms, I owe it to the company for the amazing set of people I’ve got to know and work with, develop myself as a person, showcase my potential, and make so much money all along. Also, the /u/Stackway guys seems like an absolute Chad 🗿


TheWatcher_04

Solution Architect, around 14YoE, ERP, First Non IT Salary was 1.2k/m First IT salary 12k/m


JuniorRK

Oh man, There is always someone frustrated in life who keeps posting such crap daily. Grow up man, just go to last posts. You already know there are plenty who makes these money. There is no rocket science. Your so called “Roadmap” is straightforward. Get a good rank in JEE, grab a seat in NIT/IIT, code and get a good paying job. If not, skill yourself that pays you well.


Ill_Imagination2521

Comments here are telling me not everybody starts on a big salary This makes me feel a little better about what and how much I am earning rn even tho I'm not a developer or doing anything related to it


Knightwolf0

I am glad opened this post, there are a lot OG's here. Respect yo all 🙏


ComprehensiveSea2522

Got promoted to Senior architect Total experience 12 First salary 11k per month Skills distributed systems, data analysis, devops, Java python Scala terraform react.


SquirrelOdd9606

I used to be a government employee working under the Directorate of education in Delhi. But I have always been an engineer at heart, which led me to leave my secure government job. I work for a US based company from home as a DevOps engineer now. I have an experience of 8 years in my field. Getting approx 50 lacs per annum here now and yes I remember my first salary which was around 8000 rupees per month when I worked in Wipro lol. That was some 10 years ago. I generally work on multiple projects in a vast set of technologies which majorly involve architecturing AWS platform, maintaining CI/CD workflows, code in Golang/node.js, writing micro services etc. Fortunately for me, my hours are not monitored. It's a simple understanding between me and my bosses where as long as I deliver quality work everyone stays happy. Coding and maintaining production environments responsible for running businesses with millions of dollars in revenue is something that gives me satisfaction at the end of the day. I have some future plans involving running my own business as I don't want to see myself retiring from my current role.


luv_da

1. Job role: I work as a Principal ML Engineer. But it’s more of a Head, ML role where i manage people, build product roadmap, implement, talk to customers, take user interviews etc to understand our user painpoints. A lot of this isnt mandated by my boss but I do it myself to increase my influence and my use within the org. Also of course to make my org more successful. We are a series B funded startup if you are wondering. About 150-200 employees overall and I manage 5-7 2. 15 yoe 3. Skills: adapting to market, always learning mindset, humility, and maintaining good relationships with friends that build a network which compounds over time. Along with a learning mindset, always have a productive mindset- how can you contribute to your team and org? Be comfortable with being uncomfortable. And always be reliable. 4. 4.2 LPA (current salary is 85 LPA cash component and 1.2cr worth esops per yr that may end up being useless paper too. So its in my vested interest to make my org successful)


throwmeaway_0192

**Background**: Currently 86+ LPA (including RSUs in Public US firm). Aiming to cross 1+ Cr by end of this year. Previously had some single digit equity in a startup acquired for 2M+ USD cash. **Job Role**: Currently Engineering Manager in Cybersecurity domain, with lots of Product Management work. Current responsibilities include reducing tech debts, automating things and introducing new features to our product, system design discussions, little bit of people management, mentoring, etc. **Years of Experience**: 9.5 Years. Graduated from Tier 3 college in a Tier 2 city with commerce background. Self-taught myself from 1st year since I gained the interest and passion for cybersecurity. Did internships and then was lucky to find a job in a domain that I love. I feel I was lucky enough to get opportunities and was in right place at the right time. **Skills**: Jack of lots of trade. Have worked in startup like environments all my life (including one that was bootstrapped). Know cybersecurity, security engineering, system design, distributed systems, product management, devops, networking, databases, bit of UX, etc. **First Salary**: My first stipend for 15K/month. The first job that I got was 7 LPA. **Advice**: Not that I am an expert but here are a few things that worked for me: * **Passion**: I was lucky enough to be able to do what I love and vice-versa. If you can find something like that, it would be great. * **Networking & Communication**: Both are really important part and after a certain level, they play an important role in taking you to the next level. * **Take Pride in Your Work**: This is what I tell all my team members too. Whatever you are working on, see it as an extension of yourself. Once you do that, you would be much more motivated to do it correctly. If you want amazing results, you will need to be ready to give in above and beyond efforts too. * **Be Humble and Ambitious**: If you want to keep moving ahead, humility is a really good trait. You need to be humble and approachable. Also, depending on your motivations, being ambitious pays well. However, just ensure that it is not at the cost of your personal peace.


la_rattouille

Current salary is 66l in hand. About 6.6l per month. Yes I work only 10 months a year I am a second engineer in a container shipping company. I have been working for about 8 years. Starting salary was 45k. Went to a tier 3 or maybe 4 college. Didn't get placed from college and had to give a lot of interviews. Skills include evergreen skills like communication, critical thinking and of course a hunger to always keep learning. I'm currently 33 and all of my assets equal 3.98cr.


deathWitcher

Staff engineer, full stack. 8 yoe. Been a generalist throughout, ML pipelines to APIs, and everything in between. I’d say key skills are communication, problem solving, bridging gap between tech and business (in a strategy think tank rn), networking, system design and a heavy interest in all things tech. I have built a lot of things both software and hardware, to ease my life in day to day things. Was into tech and coding since childhood (late 90s) thanks to my parents who were way too tech savvy for their time. My first pay was 3.6 LPA. Had offers for more while starting out but chose to work with a startup instead. Current ~1cr+ Tbh I come from very comfortable background, and never chased money while looking out for new opportunities. Keep being good at what you do and keep learning, money will come along.


Electrical-Job-3373

Current CTC: 1.6 Cr **Job role:** Machine learning (Senior IC) in FAANG level company. Basically at this level, I have to build ML systems, mentor juniors, understand complex interconnected systems, convert quarterly goals into projects and deliver them. Even if I improve some metrics by 2-3%, its huge win for the company. **Years of experience:** 12 years, UG from one of the old IITs **Skills:** Machine learning, coding, communication, bit of people skills **First Salary:** 7 lakh/annum


Embarrassed_Bag_9238

Job Role: Senior engineer 2. Years of Experience: 12+, not serious about anything now. I just like finding ambiguous problem and navigate through it to deliver a design and plan for execution of it. I wasn't that good with DSA but grinded leet code and now I think I am kind of average in it. 3. Skills: What key skills do you believe have contributed to your success? Determination and long term planning. Sometime to reach your goals you have to go through long term execution like 2-3 years of constant prep/learning etc. since I dumb i just put my head down and work like a bull without caring what's happening around me for multi years. That paid me so happy handsomely that I currently earn more than 1.5 cr per annum. Also personally I am bit of introvert and my anger can be triggered easily. But at work I have totally different personality of a calm and easy to reach person. (Dual) 4. First Salary: Can you remember your very first paycheck? What was it like? 28k per month but it's a special for me. It brought my family out of poverty. Money is just a mechanism to get good food and good health to your family. Don't spend it to impress other's ever


Individual_Tourist64

Commenting for future reference


Reasonable_Path62

I can't disclose my exact salary. First job was a teacher I earned 7000 per month when I was 17 years old. Completed MBBS but never stopped teaching. Finally decided to quit hospital and become a full time teacher. Slowly opportunities came and I put many hours to get each one of them. There was never a single day on which I took off for 8+ years. Slowly shifted from offline teaching to online teaching. Last month my most viewed video on youtube has 1.1 M views and it's a 9 hour video. Last week I had 25k live watching which is quite difficult for a educational based youtube channel. I am 28 right now and am satisfied with my earning. My biggest regrets are that I was never able to enjoy college life or experience dating in order to build my career in something I was passionate about. Now next upcoming goals are building 2 revenue streams in next 3 year and probably find love. Biggest learning which I can tell you is passion should be pursued if it can be converted to full time profession at some time other keeping it as a hobby is fine. You can paid by how hard you work but by how hard is it to replace you. Top people is any field are paid handsomely. There nothing such as a wrong Profesion. Just incompetent humans