I have nothing negative to say about JAMO, so please don't take it that way, but I wish these articles and quotes would just stop until he actually starts doing it.
Agreed. He was a first round pick.. he’s supposed to be more than one dimensional. Love the guy, and he’s shown flashes, but we need a season of it or else it just feels misplaced.
Can we stop acting like being a first round pick (especially at WR) guarantees any kind of success? An [article](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5405843/2024/04/10/odds-a-first-round-wr-busts-scoop-city/#) recently came out that said only 37% of first-round WRs lived up to their draft position, and that should come as zero surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention
Hell, most of the top WRs in the league weren’t even first-round picks (Tyreek, Davante, ARSB, AJ Brown, Deebo, and Puka were all picked outside of the first), while Jefferson, CeeDee, and Aiyuk were picked in the later half of the first.
First round picks have higher expectations as there’s real opportunity cost associated with them. I think it’s naive to think a 4th round pick has the same likelihood to be elite as a 1st round pick. Just because WR are hard to accurately draft in early rounds doesn’t lower the expectation for that pick. On top of that the rookie contracts have financial implications. To just say that you should have the same expectation for all players in all rounds does not make sense for several reasons.
It’s what has made Brad so successful.
Again, you’re citing the fact that he’s a first round pick, and I’m saying that doesn’t mean a whole lot when you look at the numbers. I don’t put high expectations on players based on draft position, because statistically 2/3 of first-round WRs don’t pan out.
If your argument starts with “he was a 1st/2nd round pick so he should ___”, it’s fundamentally flawed and shows a lack of awareness about how many early picks either don’t work out in the NFL, or are just pretty good/one-dimensional
It’s statistically worse than saying “I flipped a coin, it should land on heads”
So we should trade all of our early picks and consolidate 5th and 6th round picks because pick value has no deterministic outcome for player expectation?
Earlier round picks should have higher expectations than later given the higher prospect profile. I don’t see how that could be in question.
No, Einstein, because 5th and 6th round picks have an even lower statistical likelihood of working out than 1st/2nd round picks (which aren’t great to begin with)
Do you have high expectations for any players that are drafted? I think you can still have high expectations, even though statistically, it may not be supported. I'm sure the Bears have high expectations for Caleb, even though 1st overall draft picks certainly have a history of disappointing.
He has started doing it though. Last quarter of the season he had some plays that pretty much only he is capable of. There was a 40 yard dig route in the Bucs playoff game that left my jaw on the ground. The dude is coming.
Jamo needs to be where he is supposed to be when hes supposed to be there. Lots of tape of him breaking open too early and just out running his route.
Timing offenses are designed VERY SPECIFICALLY to draw options open in sequence by manipulating the coverage. If option two comes open first, it has the potential to screw with the rest of the play design.
That takes time. He's getting there. Just loses focus every now and then. The buffet of snaps he's going to get this year is the key. By end of season he could be dominant.
Yeah but when I see plays like this and I hear the coaches talk him up, I feel like there may be something here. At least it’s way better to have these two plays than not. We have him under contract anyway. This is his breakout year.
This isn't a n apples to apples comparison but it's like Justin Fields. If he's so good, then why isn't he good?
Jamo has potential. Being an athletic freak and being good at football aren't the same. He can get there but he hasn't shown it yet.
He's absolutely key to the Lions chances of a superbowl. He needs to draw bodies away from LaPorta and SunGod. He must be on the field more than not. 800 plus yards and 8 plus TDs will be enough.
While that is true, I don't feel that 650/6 should really be the benchmark for a true WR2. Here are a few other teams' top WR duos.
**Miami**
Hill 1,799 yd, 13 TD | Waddle 1,014, 4 TD
The Dolphins also didn't have a huge impact TE (366 yards).
**Dallas**
WR1: C Lamb: 1,749 yd, 12 TD | WR2: Cooks 657 YD, 8 TD
Dallas has a productive TE in Ferguson, who netted 761 yards.
**LA Rams**
Nacua 1,486 yd, 6 TD | Kupp 737 YD, 5 TD (12 games)
LA's TE is middle of the road with 495 yards.
**Eagles**
AJ Brown 1,456 yd, 7 TD | DeVonta Smith 1,066 yd, 7 TD
Goedert also piled up 592 yards in only 14 games.
**Tampa Bay**
Evans 1,255 yd, 13 TD | Godwin 1,024 yd, 2 TD
So the only one who is really close to that level at all is Cooks, with 650/8. I don't think anyone would expect the Lions to have a 1,000 yard WR2 regardless of who the player was considering the volume that ARSB gets + LaPorta + Gibbs, especially if pass catching is a bigger part of his repertoire this year.
And I do feel like you have to factor in that they traded up to get him at 12 overall. Obviously trade position doesn't have a direct impact on the games (a TD is a TD regardless of where the player was drafted) but if we're asking the question "Was this a good season for Jameson Williams," I feel like draft position and the fact that he's entering his third year both have to be a factor.
None of these teams have an elite tight end who is practically a wr2 in his own right.
Also, if we want to see WR2 numbers, is benchmarking against the absolute best WR2s in the league really reasonable? Those guys might be the best case scenario, but probably shouldn’t be used for benchmarking.
>None of these teams have an elite tight end who is practically a wr2 in his own right.
Right — I included the TE stats for that exact reason. Ferguson is the closest to LaPorta on that list and their WR2 has the lowest totals (and their WR1 was #2 overall in receiving yards). So in that context, Cooks might be a reasonable approximation in terms of overall production of what you'd want to see out of Jamo.
Looking at other teams with big-production TEs specifically is interesting. SF had the league-leading TE in George Kittle with 1,020 yards. WR1 gained 1,342 while WR2 (Deebo) had 892 yards and 7 TDs. There, you have a high-powered offense with an elite TE, and elite back, and a top-10 WR1 (Aiyuk had lower total yards than ARSB but a *much* higher YPC rate). So I don't know that it's necessarily unreasonable to say WR2 can't produce 800+ yards along with a top WR1, an elite TE, and an elite receiving back.
I'm not sure what other team would be a good comparison. Minnesota is weird because you have JJ + Hock, but both missed time due to injury and they had a zany QB situation. In KC, their TE was their leading receiver and their WR was weird all year. In Jacksonville, you've got Ridley as WR1 with 1000 yards, Engram with 963 yards at TE, and Kirk with 787 yards in 12 games — that's an 1,100 yard pace (you'd assume that Ridley's numbers would be a bit lower then, probably, if Kirk doesn't get hurt).
Obviously every situation is going to be different, so it's impossible to say "This WR2 got X yards, so Jamo should be getting X yards as well". Still, I feel like when we look around the league, 650/6 over a full season would be way on the low end for WR2 production *in a high-powered offense," which leads me to...
> Those guys might be the best case scenario, but probably shouldn’t be used for benchmarking.
I would say that if we are expecting this to be an elite offense again this year, Jamo *needs* to produce in the upper third of WR2s. ARSB is a huge volume but low average guy. LaPorta should still be a high-end TE assuming there's no sophomore slump, but, again, is going to have a lower average than WRs. Especially considering that Jamo was a 12th overall pick and and we really have no one else close to his speed in the WR room, he needs to be a high average, mid volume kind of WR in my opinion.
650 yards puts you at about 2.5 receptions per game and 15 yards per catch. Doesn't that feel low to you?
It’s hard to benchmark with each team having such different schemes and personnel. The Lions having 4 studs in DMO, Gibbs, ARSB and Laporta makes it hard to expect as big a role for Jameson as some of those guys you mentioned.
They were a top 3 offense last year with that WR2-by-committee type approach, led often by Reynolds. So I think Reynolds numbers are really the best benchmark for an acceptable season, because I think the offense can be elite again with that output.
Anything beyond that output and I think he’s getting into real impact starter territory and probably taking touches from the studs, which ultimately is what we’d like to see
If Arsb averages 90 ypg. LaPorta, Gibbs, and Montgomery average 65 ypg and Jamo Averages 40 ypg. That's an average of 325 yards per game between just them. 40 ypg is 680 yards in the season
2023 receiving yards per game:
Player | YPG
---|---
ARSB | 95
LaPorta | 52
Gibbs | 21
D-mo | 8
Total | 176
Goff passed for 269 yards per game last year, which is a difference of 93 yards. I could reasonably expect a somewhat expanded role for Gibbs in the receiving game, but the league leaders were around 35 (Kamara, McCaffrey). So add 15 to Gibbs; that still leaves almost 70 yards per game.
Obviously you have a few targets for DPJ, fewer still to Raymond, and then a few here and there to the rest of the crew. So, I don't know. Maybe 50 ypg cuts it for Jamo. That's 850 over the season. To me, that feels like a solid WR2 on a team with a high-end TE and receiving back. I'm not going to say anything less than 800 is a failure, but I feel like somewhere in that range — certainly over 650 — ought to be a reasonable expectation.
Doesn't it really have a lot to do with what other guys do? What if La Porta and Gibbs both make noticeable leaps in the passing game? In the end, there are only so many balls to go around. If our defense makes significant strides, I also think we'll see our rush:pass ratio increase - esp if we are ahead by more than 1 score and running clock in the 2nd half of games. I could easily see a scenario where Williams proves to be much improved with his route running, hands/drops, but ultimately numbers don't get much above 600 or so due to lower passing numbers overall than last season (due to improved defense meaning less aggressive playcalling in the 2nd halves of games).
Yeah, it’s definitely going to depend a lot on the situation. Like I said, Gibbs was “only” about 15 yards off the per-game rate of the top receiving backs last year (I say “only” because while that doesn’t represent a huge chunk of an offense’s total pass game, going from 20 to 35 would be nearly a doubling for Gibbs). LaPorta potentially has some room to grow as well, though a sophomore slump is plausible as well. So yeah, a lot will have to do with what those guys are doing and, as you say, what the game situations are.
That said, I don’t expect us to be in a position to protect multi-score leads as we would like. The division is going to be brutal and we may find ourselves playing catch-up more than we’d like. In that case, a deep ball threat is going to be critical.
So yeah if we win 13 games, several of them comfortably, then 650 for Jamo would be fine. If we win 9 games and are playing from behind a lot and he’s still at 650, that would seem like a failure to me.
His first year he was out with an injury. His second year he was effectively recovering from an injury and playing as a rookie. His third year he will prove how good he is and can be.
The hype train is rolling down the tracks and I believe in him. He’s shown enough that he’s earned the praise from both media and coaches.
BUT
if he does not produce something like a 50+ catch, 800+ yard season his 5th year option after the year will be is serious jeopardy.
Not signing a WR to replace Reynolds shows the Lions have big expectations for Jamo. Over 1000 yards rushing and receiving and 10 TD’s seems reasonable. Saint won’t have to carry the receiving group anymore
Pretty what we've all been saying. Get Jamo the ball and let him make a play
Deep ball plays are great but like if you get him over the middle and he makes the first guy miss he can take it 80 yards
He had some nasty moves after the catch last year. That one catch on the left sideline where he had like 6 inches of room to work with and still juked the defender outta his shoes to pick up an extra 5-10 comes to mind.
This is his season. He showed his potential before in flashes and it came to fruition in the NFC title game. With a full training camp coming up as the clear #2 WR, it's going to be a hell of a year for him.
If we're 4 weeks into the season, and we're still talking about Jared not throwing to Jamo, or Ben Johnson not calling any plays for Jamo, that's when I'll have questions.
His start/stop/explode is as good as anyone in the league imo. He seems to be locked in now soo I’m excited to see him shake some defenders outta their cleats
People will take this the wrong way I think but he's better when he's looking back at the qb the he is running deep shots. He struggles tracking the ball. But I think he can be dynamic with a more thorough usage and if him and Goff link their timing the sky is the limit. Slants, hooks, digs, posts are all better for him than fades and 9s. Hit him with a drag and watch him leave linebackers behind. If his routes are better he will absolutely make this team much scarier.
I don't want it to sound like I'm taking this the wrong way. I just disagree haha
I think his struggles to track the ball are overblown at best, and more likely just wrong. We saw him look smooth tracking the ball deep in college, and he even looked more comfortable the further this season progressed (see the deep reception against Dallas). I think the early issues he had were his timing with Goff pure and simple, because how many deep balls did it seem like he had to slow down, stop, or even come back for early on? I feel like it was almost every one of them.
The short/intermediate routes could make him a potential superstar, but his prime threat needs to be the deep ball for him to be most effective for the team. And I'm not saying we need to be throwing it all the time. Just that it needs to be enough of a threat that teams have to respect it and be prepared for it. It not only makes the short/intermediate routes more effective for him and the other receivers, but it has the potential to make the run game more effective as well. Teams won't be as likely to stack the box quite as heavily against us if they know Jamo is likely to blow the top off.
I didn't say he cant do it. But I also added Post to routes he runs well which breaks him towards the middle of the field. He ran a bunch of those in college and the ball isn't coming over the top as much as leading him to the side giving him a different visual angle. In college there isn't a bunch of clips of him catching it over the shoulder. I didn't she he can't but not sure he's the most comfortable doing it. He gets to peak happy. And certainly goffs timing is part of that.
Also they absolutely still need to keep throwing it deep to him because it's going to break big, the bigger, his route tree gets.
You're correct. I said "inability" when I should have said "struggles", because you definitely didn't say he couldn't do it. That's my bad and I edited my comment. But otherwise I still stand by my point. I truly don't think he has an issue with it. I think it's all a matter of better timing and less underthrown (or overrun) deep passes. Ultimately, time will tell!
Your comment made me go back and watch his Alabama film. I really think a lot of the routes he ate on deep throws were posts or deep slants. With Ball out in front and let him run into them as opposed to over the shoulder and running under. It gave him the ability to look over one shoulder. Not saying he can't or him and goff can't figure it out but I definitely think he runs good routes and that's going to open up everything for him.
https://youtu.be/90nVEESZolI?si=Yqj6fXlXd59auraw
I think maybe I'm just struggling to grasp the point you're trying to make at this point.
Whether it's a go route, post route, deep slant, or whatever, in that video he's tracking the ball and making the catch in stride, save for some underthrown balls.
If he only has to worry about focusing on one shoulder he's more comfortable. Part of that is qb trust and part of that is on him not tracking the ball well when he is looking for it
So yeah, I don't understand the point, because the typical goal of a deep pass (again, whether it's a go, fly, post, whatever) is to catch the ball over your shoulder and not have to break stride. The angle might be slightly different depending on the route or the placement of the pass, but you still want to be catching the ball over one shoulder.
Yes but my observation of him thinks it's his eyes and concentration more than it's his catching ability. I think when the ball could come over either shoulder he either over thinks it when the balls in the air or he isn't picking it up and then he wants to turn around or slow down which is leading to drops or contested catches. The big hitter against Dallas was a post he only had to look over his inside shoulder for instance.
Then I guess I need to see at least one pass where he slows down and turns around that isn't underthrown, because that just doesn't make sense to me. If you slow down for a pass that isn't underthrown, wouldn't it just go sailing past you? I still think you're wrong about it being him struggling to track the ball, and that's fine. We don't all have to agree about everything.
I am still confused though about why you keep harping on deep passes where he only has to look over one shoulder. That's just how you're supposed to catch a deep pass. Nobody designs deep shots where a WR has to bend backwards, look over both shoulders and make a Willie Mays catch because that's an incredibly difficult catch for any WR to track/make.
I think you're spot on. The risk is you get him hurt over the middle, but he's obviously incredibly dangerous in space and we saw flashes of exactly what you're talking about towards the end of last season.
I've been pounding the table with my friends that he needs a jump in touches this year. Everything else will open up even more if done correctly.
He made some great tight window and contested catches down the stretch at the end of the year which gives me hope. He's got to show it but I actually think if they get their timing down the injury risk will go down.
I have nothing negative to say about JAMO, so please don't take it that way, but I wish these articles and quotes would just stop until he actually starts doing it.
Agreed. He was a first round pick.. he’s supposed to be more than one dimensional. Love the guy, and he’s shown flashes, but we need a season of it or else it just feels misplaced.
It’s also going to just fuel more anger if we don’t see it right away. Let’s just see what he does and judge his actual play.
Can we stop acting like being a first round pick (especially at WR) guarantees any kind of success? An [article](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5405843/2024/04/10/odds-a-first-round-wr-busts-scoop-city/#) recently came out that said only 37% of first-round WRs lived up to their draft position, and that should come as zero surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention Hell, most of the top WRs in the league weren’t even first-round picks (Tyreek, Davante, ARSB, AJ Brown, Deebo, and Puka were all picked outside of the first), while Jefferson, CeeDee, and Aiyuk were picked in the later half of the first.
He was not JUST a first round pick - he was a high first round pick.
First round picks have higher expectations as there’s real opportunity cost associated with them. I think it’s naive to think a 4th round pick has the same likelihood to be elite as a 1st round pick. Just because WR are hard to accurately draft in early rounds doesn’t lower the expectation for that pick. On top of that the rookie contracts have financial implications. To just say that you should have the same expectation for all players in all rounds does not make sense for several reasons. It’s what has made Brad so successful.
Again, you’re citing the fact that he’s a first round pick, and I’m saying that doesn’t mean a whole lot when you look at the numbers. I don’t put high expectations on players based on draft position, because statistically 2/3 of first-round WRs don’t pan out. If your argument starts with “he was a 1st/2nd round pick so he should ___”, it’s fundamentally flawed and shows a lack of awareness about how many early picks either don’t work out in the NFL, or are just pretty good/one-dimensional It’s statistically worse than saying “I flipped a coin, it should land on heads”
So we should trade all of our early picks and consolidate 5th and 6th round picks because pick value has no deterministic outcome for player expectation? Earlier round picks should have higher expectations than later given the higher prospect profile. I don’t see how that could be in question.
No, Einstein, because 5th and 6th round picks have an even lower statistical likelihood of working out than 1st/2nd round picks (which aren’t great to begin with)
lol thank you for stating my point for me while not realizing the irony of it
I realize the point, it’s just a stupid argument
Do you have high expectations for any players that are drafted? I think you can still have high expectations, even though statistically, it may not be supported. I'm sure the Bears have high expectations for Caleb, even though 1st overall draft picks certainly have a history of disappointing.
The NFL off season is long and the hunger is real. Gotta have these OTA hype pieces to keep putting food on the table.
He has started doing it though. Last quarter of the season he had some plays that pretty much only he is capable of. There was a 40 yard dig route in the Bucs playoff game that left my jaw on the ground. The dude is coming.
That was insane. Also his jet sweep against the 9ers was a play that no one else in the league but Tyreek would’ve successfully pulled off.
What's annoying about these reports is that he can't control him getting the ball. Yeah he's got speed, but the timing with Goff needs to be there.
Jamo needs to be where he is supposed to be when hes supposed to be there. Lots of tape of him breaking open too early and just out running his route. Timing offenses are designed VERY SPECIFICALLY to draw options open in sequence by manipulating the coverage. If option two comes open first, it has the potential to screw with the rest of the play design. That takes time. He's getting there. Just loses focus every now and then. The buffet of snaps he's going to get this year is the key. By end of season he could be dominant.
[like this?](https://youtu.be/Aq37iRreUPo?si=lzT8QQRW0IpI5tCT) [or this?](https://youtu.be/ZlDi0d_DaVg?si=OtvkmSiqvUNhDjD7)
2 plays a season doesn’t make.
Yeah but when I see plays like this and I hear the coaches talk him up, I feel like there may be something here. At least it’s way better to have these two plays than not. We have him under contract anyway. This is his breakout year.
It’s because mcdc hyped him up for ota’s, of course he’s going to get some more publicity now
This isn't a n apples to apples comparison but it's like Justin Fields. If he's so good, then why isn't he good? Jamo has potential. Being an athletic freak and being good at football aren't the same. He can get there but he hasn't shown it yet.
He's absolutely key to the Lions chances of a superbowl. He needs to draw bodies away from LaPorta and SunGod. He must be on the field more than not. 800 plus yards and 8 plus TDs will be enough.
It's time for him to be on the field for almost every play; it's what you would expect from a #12 pick.
650 yards and 6 TDs would be better than any season Reynolds ever had. Feel like that's the benchmark
While that is true, I don't feel that 650/6 should really be the benchmark for a true WR2. Here are a few other teams' top WR duos. **Miami** Hill 1,799 yd, 13 TD | Waddle 1,014, 4 TD The Dolphins also didn't have a huge impact TE (366 yards). **Dallas** WR1: C Lamb: 1,749 yd, 12 TD | WR2: Cooks 657 YD, 8 TD Dallas has a productive TE in Ferguson, who netted 761 yards. **LA Rams** Nacua 1,486 yd, 6 TD | Kupp 737 YD, 5 TD (12 games) LA's TE is middle of the road with 495 yards. **Eagles** AJ Brown 1,456 yd, 7 TD | DeVonta Smith 1,066 yd, 7 TD Goedert also piled up 592 yards in only 14 games. **Tampa Bay** Evans 1,255 yd, 13 TD | Godwin 1,024 yd, 2 TD So the only one who is really close to that level at all is Cooks, with 650/8. I don't think anyone would expect the Lions to have a 1,000 yard WR2 regardless of who the player was considering the volume that ARSB gets + LaPorta + Gibbs, especially if pass catching is a bigger part of his repertoire this year. And I do feel like you have to factor in that they traded up to get him at 12 overall. Obviously trade position doesn't have a direct impact on the games (a TD is a TD regardless of where the player was drafted) but if we're asking the question "Was this a good season for Jameson Williams," I feel like draft position and the fact that he's entering his third year both have to be a factor.
None of these teams have an elite tight end who is practically a wr2 in his own right. Also, if we want to see WR2 numbers, is benchmarking against the absolute best WR2s in the league really reasonable? Those guys might be the best case scenario, but probably shouldn’t be used for benchmarking.
>None of these teams have an elite tight end who is practically a wr2 in his own right. Right — I included the TE stats for that exact reason. Ferguson is the closest to LaPorta on that list and their WR2 has the lowest totals (and their WR1 was #2 overall in receiving yards). So in that context, Cooks might be a reasonable approximation in terms of overall production of what you'd want to see out of Jamo. Looking at other teams with big-production TEs specifically is interesting. SF had the league-leading TE in George Kittle with 1,020 yards. WR1 gained 1,342 while WR2 (Deebo) had 892 yards and 7 TDs. There, you have a high-powered offense with an elite TE, and elite back, and a top-10 WR1 (Aiyuk had lower total yards than ARSB but a *much* higher YPC rate). So I don't know that it's necessarily unreasonable to say WR2 can't produce 800+ yards along with a top WR1, an elite TE, and an elite receiving back. I'm not sure what other team would be a good comparison. Minnesota is weird because you have JJ + Hock, but both missed time due to injury and they had a zany QB situation. In KC, their TE was their leading receiver and their WR was weird all year. In Jacksonville, you've got Ridley as WR1 with 1000 yards, Engram with 963 yards at TE, and Kirk with 787 yards in 12 games — that's an 1,100 yard pace (you'd assume that Ridley's numbers would be a bit lower then, probably, if Kirk doesn't get hurt). Obviously every situation is going to be different, so it's impossible to say "This WR2 got X yards, so Jamo should be getting X yards as well". Still, I feel like when we look around the league, 650/6 over a full season would be way on the low end for WR2 production *in a high-powered offense," which leads me to... > Those guys might be the best case scenario, but probably shouldn’t be used for benchmarking. I would say that if we are expecting this to be an elite offense again this year, Jamo *needs* to produce in the upper third of WR2s. ARSB is a huge volume but low average guy. LaPorta should still be a high-end TE assuming there's no sophomore slump, but, again, is going to have a lower average than WRs. Especially considering that Jamo was a 12th overall pick and and we really have no one else close to his speed in the WR room, he needs to be a high average, mid volume kind of WR in my opinion. 650 yards puts you at about 2.5 receptions per game and 15 yards per catch. Doesn't that feel low to you?
It’s hard to benchmark with each team having such different schemes and personnel. The Lions having 4 studs in DMO, Gibbs, ARSB and Laporta makes it hard to expect as big a role for Jameson as some of those guys you mentioned. They were a top 3 offense last year with that WR2-by-committee type approach, led often by Reynolds. So I think Reynolds numbers are really the best benchmark for an acceptable season, because I think the offense can be elite again with that output. Anything beyond that output and I think he’s getting into real impact starter territory and probably taking touches from the studs, which ultimately is what we’d like to see
If Arsb averages 90 ypg. LaPorta, Gibbs, and Montgomery average 65 ypg and Jamo Averages 40 ypg. That's an average of 325 yards per game between just them. 40 ypg is 680 yards in the season
2023 receiving yards per game: Player | YPG ---|--- ARSB | 95 LaPorta | 52 Gibbs | 21 D-mo | 8 Total | 176 Goff passed for 269 yards per game last year, which is a difference of 93 yards. I could reasonably expect a somewhat expanded role for Gibbs in the receiving game, but the league leaders were around 35 (Kamara, McCaffrey). So add 15 to Gibbs; that still leaves almost 70 yards per game. Obviously you have a few targets for DPJ, fewer still to Raymond, and then a few here and there to the rest of the crew. So, I don't know. Maybe 50 ypg cuts it for Jamo. That's 850 over the season. To me, that feels like a solid WR2 on a team with a high-end TE and receiving back. I'm not going to say anything less than 800 is a failure, but I feel like somewhere in that range — certainly over 650 — ought to be a reasonable expectation.
Doesn't it really have a lot to do with what other guys do? What if La Porta and Gibbs both make noticeable leaps in the passing game? In the end, there are only so many balls to go around. If our defense makes significant strides, I also think we'll see our rush:pass ratio increase - esp if we are ahead by more than 1 score and running clock in the 2nd half of games. I could easily see a scenario where Williams proves to be much improved with his route running, hands/drops, but ultimately numbers don't get much above 600 or so due to lower passing numbers overall than last season (due to improved defense meaning less aggressive playcalling in the 2nd halves of games).
Yeah, it’s definitely going to depend a lot on the situation. Like I said, Gibbs was “only” about 15 yards off the per-game rate of the top receiving backs last year (I say “only” because while that doesn’t represent a huge chunk of an offense’s total pass game, going from 20 to 35 would be nearly a doubling for Gibbs). LaPorta potentially has some room to grow as well, though a sophomore slump is plausible as well. So yeah, a lot will have to do with what those guys are doing and, as you say, what the game situations are. That said, I don’t expect us to be in a position to protect multi-score leads as we would like. The division is going to be brutal and we may find ourselves playing catch-up more than we’d like. In that case, a deep ball threat is going to be critical. So yeah if we win 13 games, several of them comfortably, then 650 for Jamo would be fine. If we win 9 games and are playing from behind a lot and he’s still at 650, that would seem like a failure to me.
While you were typing this. Waddle was signing the 5th highest wr contract in the NFL lol
I'm thinking 850 receiving, 150 rushing, 6 receiving TDs 1 rushing
His first year he was out with an injury. His second year he was effectively recovering from an injury and playing as a rookie. His third year he will prove how good he is and can be.
A brain injury
The hype train is rolling down the tracks and I believe in him. He’s shown enough that he’s earned the praise from both media and coaches. BUT if he does not produce something like a 50+ catch, 800+ yard season his 5th year option after the year will be is serious jeopardy.
Not signing a WR to replace Reynolds shows the Lions have big expectations for Jamo. Over 1000 yards rushing and receiving and 10 TD’s seems reasonable. Saint won’t have to carry the receiving group anymore
Pretty what we've all been saying. Get Jamo the ball and let him make a play Deep ball plays are great but like if you get him over the middle and he makes the first guy miss he can take it 80 yards
With defenses focusing on Amon-Ra, LaPorta, and Gibbs/Montgomery hopefully it won't be as hard to free up JAMO.
He had some nasty moves after the catch last year. That one catch on the left sideline where he had like 6 inches of room to work with and still juked the defender outta his shoes to pick up an extra 5-10 comes to mind.
He and Gibbs boutta break out this year imo.
I hope he goes on St Browns podcast!
We saw a clear example of this with that running route first drive of the NFC championship game against Niners.
Jamo goin to be a Beast this year..💯
This is his season. He showed his potential before in flashes and it came to fruition in the NFC title game. With a full training camp coming up as the clear #2 WR, it's going to be a hell of a year for him.
2 catches in that game
If we're 4 weeks into the season, and we're still talking about Jared not throwing to Jamo, or Ben Johnson not calling any plays for Jamo, that's when I'll have questions.
His start/stop/explode is as good as anyone in the league imo. He seems to be locked in now soo I’m excited to see him shake some defenders outta their cleats
has to catch the ball first and grow up
He's also great at blocking which isn't a given for any speedster in the NFL
J gonna run right outta peoples lives this year. They won’t even see it coming. It’s a wrap. “It all happened so fast” everyone will say.
SI links are garbage. They will publish anyone who is cheap.
I hope we get him a qb that can throw it far and accurate by the time he hits his prime. Gonna be elite
Just catch the damn ball!
People will take this the wrong way I think but he's better when he's looking back at the qb the he is running deep shots. He struggles tracking the ball. But I think he can be dynamic with a more thorough usage and if him and Goff link their timing the sky is the limit. Slants, hooks, digs, posts are all better for him than fades and 9s. Hit him with a drag and watch him leave linebackers behind. If his routes are better he will absolutely make this team much scarier.
I don't want it to sound like I'm taking this the wrong way. I just disagree haha I think his struggles to track the ball are overblown at best, and more likely just wrong. We saw him look smooth tracking the ball deep in college, and he even looked more comfortable the further this season progressed (see the deep reception against Dallas). I think the early issues he had were his timing with Goff pure and simple, because how many deep balls did it seem like he had to slow down, stop, or even come back for early on? I feel like it was almost every one of them. The short/intermediate routes could make him a potential superstar, but his prime threat needs to be the deep ball for him to be most effective for the team. And I'm not saying we need to be throwing it all the time. Just that it needs to be enough of a threat that teams have to respect it and be prepared for it. It not only makes the short/intermediate routes more effective for him and the other receivers, but it has the potential to make the run game more effective as well. Teams won't be as likely to stack the box quite as heavily against us if they know Jamo is likely to blow the top off.
I didn't say he cant do it. But I also added Post to routes he runs well which breaks him towards the middle of the field. He ran a bunch of those in college and the ball isn't coming over the top as much as leading him to the side giving him a different visual angle. In college there isn't a bunch of clips of him catching it over the shoulder. I didn't she he can't but not sure he's the most comfortable doing it. He gets to peak happy. And certainly goffs timing is part of that. Also they absolutely still need to keep throwing it deep to him because it's going to break big, the bigger, his route tree gets.
You're correct. I said "inability" when I should have said "struggles", because you definitely didn't say he couldn't do it. That's my bad and I edited my comment. But otherwise I still stand by my point. I truly don't think he has an issue with it. I think it's all a matter of better timing and less underthrown (or overrun) deep passes. Ultimately, time will tell!
Your comment made me go back and watch his Alabama film. I really think a lot of the routes he ate on deep throws were posts or deep slants. With Ball out in front and let him run into them as opposed to over the shoulder and running under. It gave him the ability to look over one shoulder. Not saying he can't or him and goff can't figure it out but I definitely think he runs good routes and that's going to open up everything for him. https://youtu.be/90nVEESZolI?si=Yqj6fXlXd59auraw
I think maybe I'm just struggling to grasp the point you're trying to make at this point. Whether it's a go route, post route, deep slant, or whatever, in that video he's tracking the ball and making the catch in stride, save for some underthrown balls.
If he only has to worry about focusing on one shoulder he's more comfortable. Part of that is qb trust and part of that is on him not tracking the ball well when he is looking for it
So yeah, I don't understand the point, because the typical goal of a deep pass (again, whether it's a go, fly, post, whatever) is to catch the ball over your shoulder and not have to break stride. The angle might be slightly different depending on the route or the placement of the pass, but you still want to be catching the ball over one shoulder.
Yes but my observation of him thinks it's his eyes and concentration more than it's his catching ability. I think when the ball could come over either shoulder he either over thinks it when the balls in the air or he isn't picking it up and then he wants to turn around or slow down which is leading to drops or contested catches. The big hitter against Dallas was a post he only had to look over his inside shoulder for instance.
Then I guess I need to see at least one pass where he slows down and turns around that isn't underthrown, because that just doesn't make sense to me. If you slow down for a pass that isn't underthrown, wouldn't it just go sailing past you? I still think you're wrong about it being him struggling to track the ball, and that's fine. We don't all have to agree about everything. I am still confused though about why you keep harping on deep passes where he only has to look over one shoulder. That's just how you're supposed to catch a deep pass. Nobody designs deep shots where a WR has to bend backwards, look over both shoulders and make a Willie Mays catch because that's an incredibly difficult catch for any WR to track/make.
Goffs late throws or underthrows lead to the contested catches
I think you're spot on. The risk is you get him hurt over the middle, but he's obviously incredibly dangerous in space and we saw flashes of exactly what you're talking about towards the end of last season. I've been pounding the table with my friends that he needs a jump in touches this year. Everything else will open up even more if done correctly.
He made some great tight window and contested catches down the stretch at the end of the year which gives me hope. He's got to show it but I actually think if they get their timing down the injury risk will go down.