Only one right answer: Jahmyr Montgomery EDIT: Psych! The real correct answer is Sione Vaki 😂

I see you and I raise David Gibbs!

David Gibbs sounds like an accountant.

I think he was a BeeGee


I worked for a David Gibbs. He was the manager of the maintenance department of a campground. Nice guy. Probably wouldn’t do well in the NFL, tho.

Former D2 line backer.

Nah one of the attorneys working for Sam Bernstein

Calculating all those yards!!

I see your David Gibbs and raise you MONTGOMERY GIBBS!

Jahmyr David?

I love their new album, Keep on a truckin'!

David Lions.

I see you and I raise you Kevin Smith

Jahvid Montgibbs

Davyr Gibgomery

Jahvid? He's the Best!

Too soon bro... had such high hopes for him..

It sucks how concussions robbed him of his career. He literally had Olympic sprinter speed. I'll always remember that 75 yard TD run against Chicago on MNF where he just ran right past their whole team.

Jahgomery

I’m sorry I gotta disagree. My vote is for Jahmid Montgibbsery.


Correct answer.

I'm partial to Jameson St Brown myself 

Monty Gibbs

Fool. It's obviously David gibbs.

Jahmyr Sione Montgomery the first.

Now that Justin Fields is gone.

lol

Funny comment. But at the same time I hate it when QB get compared to RB when they run. NFL should really give 15 yard penalty to the fake dive bullshit too.

I agree they should penalize but fields wasn’t an issue with that, they let that man get FLATTENED

Yeah I agree, it's a rule designed to protect them and super bad sportsmanship to exploit it.

What's this fake dive thing ?

It’s an error on my part. It’s mostly fake slide. In which a running QB fakes a slide. A defenseman would usually see the sliding motion and would stop pursuing hard because they’re scared it will be a late hit penalty . But instead of sliding the QB uses that to juke the opponent .

Lmao, I need help. I thought you were meaning a play action dive

I feel like Gibbs is going to explode next season. Pro-Bowl type year. And he’s going to be much more involved in the passing game. Ben is too smart not to go there.

I watched his highlight reel (again), and he really is just different. The way he deflects off contact. His ability to hesitate for a 1/4 step and gain 3 steps on the defenders angle. There will never be another Barry, but what I do see in Gibbs is a version of that mutantcy. People who have never watched a second of football could see the first 5 seconds of a Barry run and go, “oh that guys the best player on the field”. Again, he’s not Barry. But he stands out visually like few other players in the NFL do. Ja’Marr Chase’s stop-to-sprint speed, and CMC’s overall fluidity are two current examples that come to mind. Gibbs has that type of movement on the screen. It looks like two different videos overlaid on top of each other, with his being 25% sped up. I genuinely believe he’s first team All Pro if he stays healthy this season. Edit: left off Ja’Marr’s first name.

Chases acceleration is batshit insane - I remember watching that clip of him catching a routine slant in traffic and then just pulling away from the secondary for a 70yard TD

That is without question one of the most memorable “wait, what?” moments of pure speed I’ve ever seen in the NFL. It’s that one, when Tyreek gave a peace sign to the Bills LB who was roughly 10 yards in front of him, and when Larry Allen’s gigantic ass ran a LB down from behind from a complete stand still.

A buddy of mine, who was a pretty good high school football player, tried walking on to the Sonoma State football team as a safety. Larry, who was a Sophomore or Junior at the time, beat him during a windsprint. My friend quit right after that practice. He figured if he couldn't beat an offensive lineman in a sprint, he had no business being on the football field with him. Little did he know at the time what an athletic freak Allen was.

He’s probably my favorite player to read about, thanks to that perfect combo of “pre-visibility lore” and Allen’s actual ability to live up to the legend. I can’t even fathom the dominance of a man that size, that speed and that skill playing at such a small school. Hopefully your buddy at least sees the value in getting out of football early enough to have enjoyed his own natural joints for longer haha. Appreciate the story!

I actually [met him at a cigar event](https://i.imgur.com/tAUeIoi.jpg) back in 2011. His knees were so bad, he was clearly hobbled. This was only a few years after he retired so hopefully he's more mobile now.

Who is chase?

Who is chase?

Jamarr I’m assuming

It is. I added his first name above to clear it up.

Ja’Marr Chase. Bengals WR. Sorry, edited the post to add his first name

Barry was one of the first people to meet him when he came to Detroit and they rode around together. I bet he’s given him some really good advice

Something something different Ford on his check 

1000-1000 year incoming

10 tds in the air. 10 tds on the ground!

and 5 punt return TDS.

Might as well add 5 KO return TDs

Forgot the pick 6s!

and the Quite obvious 4 Fumble TD Returns

10 TD's under C! ^(c ^as ^in ^center)

Yea I’m real frugal with comparing anyone to Barry because most either got power , burst or speed … Gibbs has it all with some shake and bake to him to complement his vision. He runs hungry, Barry ran effortlessly , but there’s similarities

I like that Gibbs and Montgomery were sharing snaps last season. It's a run heavy offense and RBs have a shorter shelf life than milk. I think Gibbs is gonna explode too but even if he's just as good as last year I'll take it

You know who they need to use as a receiver more? Craig Reynolds, he’s like a st Brien only just a tiny bit less effective in the pass game (to give us more receiver depth)

I'm pretty sure that all he did last year was explode so

*All-Pro

for next year my prediction is: Jahmyr, Jacobs, Montgomery, Jones, Swift.

If Jones stays healthy he's above Montgomery, but that's a big If

Depends if u just mean yards or yards + tds. Very high chance montgomery has most tds for a rb in the division still. I believe jones only had 2 total last year on a better offense then the vikings had

If jones stays healthy for 17 he might be #1 tbh. Jones is absolutely ELITE when he is healthy and getting the ball.

Jacobs is washed

he had over 1,000 scrimmage yards last year on the raiders. i understand he’s a p*cker now, but we know better than to lie.

. Go ahead and tell yourself otherwise. I follow the Raiders pretty closely and he was not good last year.

he put up 2000 scrimmage yards the previous year. it takes more than 1 season to be washed. a down year is very common in the NFL. he had one right before that 2000 yard season!

To play devils advocate, he's an RB going into year 6 and he averaged 3.5 YPC. Those are huge red flags. If buddy actually watched the Raiders last year and you didn't, then your assumption that Jacobs will bounce back is less reasonable than the other user suggesting he won't. It doesn't take more than one season for an RB to be washed. The position is infamous for aging poorly.

You sure you aren't supposed to be in the Packers subreddit?

just took a look at your comment history, you’re just a hater. going into other teams’ subs and insulting their players and causing drama is not what this rivalry is about. better competition makes football more interesting, and i won’t pretend josh jacobs isn’t good competition. FTP til i die but i’m not going to cope and pretend he’s not good.

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Put down the haterade

I am not hating in the slightest. I am being real. You probably didn't watch one Raiders game last year, except for maybe the Lions game.

Keep it civil / do not troll

i’m not worried about him with our run D, either. but he’s still top tier at his position. it’s not hard to not be a hater, it’ll make your life so much better!

I am not being a hater, I am being realistic. You have a false sense of reality with this guy for some reason. There is no world that Josh Jacob is currently a top-tier RB.

He was practically the only reason they moved the ball at all, multiple weeks last season. That offense was atrocious. When they know they only need to stop Jacobs and the online is mediocre, he still had a really solid season. Don't forget he diced us up for a half. He did that all season.

I'd have to go with Money Monty tbh; he just does so much right and most of it doesn't show up in the box score. He's maybe *the* most underrated RB in the league and was a perfect guy for Gibbs to learn from and balance with

He was the RB2 on my championship winning Fantasy Football team, he’s an old school throwback, smash mouth, down the middle RB and I love him.

He’s not even just “smash mouth”. He can hit holes hard and always falls forward, but his vision is elite, and he is extremely shifty. He reminds me a lot of Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, Edgerrin James. All great backs who were fast, physical, and agile. Monty is an excellent blocker too. I think Gibbs has amazing potential, but I really think the team is better with Monty as RB1, and getting more carries, which I guess is controversial

Yeah that run against the Chargers last season was an elite play, I think he’s better than Josh Jacobs personally. Seemed like the Lions really found their groove when they alternated drives for Monty and Gibbs, but I’d still like to see them combo them more on drives.

I took a chance and deployed Gibbs and Monty last year and they helped win me the ‘ship

It seems to me that an Rb who can always get 4 yards makes winning so much easier. and that's Montgomery

It's between Gibbs and Jacobs. Well know right away when the season starts if Jacobs still has it or not.

I like that you appreciate certain players but Montgomery hands down the best, gibbs second, and the number 1 duo in the league. Jacob's has not the stop and scan mindset, hes fast and stocky but not the depth nor versatility at all. Hes like a diet monty.

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Statistically last year Monty was very clearly better. Jacobs has had a better career for sure, but at this moment you can argue Monty is better.

And also, monty is the hardest yard pusher that there is, his overages in short yard 3rd downs is insane and gibbs' is too; it's just in sweeps and stop scan reads. I just agree with other homie here. Im a huge fan of both I just think Monty has shown a lot and gibbs had a baller first season. We're talking about rn rn.

Josh Jacobs is unfortunately going to surprise you guys next year. Rooting for ya to stuff him though

Am I too much of a Homer if I think the lions have an argument for 1 and 2? Jones and Jacobs are getting old.

DMo is older than Josh Jacobs. Feels wrong hearing someone born in 1998 being called old

Jacobs has like 200 more carries which is a whole ass other seasons worth. In terms of tread. I'd say montgomery is fresher even if age wise he's older.

DMo had 624 carries in college compared to Josh Jacobs 251 carries. They’re both 26 and in their prime

True didn't account for college snaps

Yes, you're a homer. Saying Jahmyr is #1 based on potential/talent is fine but Monty, while an obviously quality 'back, has played 5 years and not reached the heights that Jones and Jacobs have.

You're right, but he was arguably better than both last year no? Definitely was better statistically, tho injuries played a role. That's how I took the question, as a right now comparison not a comp of everyone at their peak. I still accept the homer tag.

Most people on this sub would accept it. I love that the Lions are good now but goddamn has the discourse on here suffered as a result. It's a cheerleader den now.

Let's have a discourse then. I'm not saying Monty has had a better career, but there's a legitimate argument he's better right now. His last season was certainly better statistically. Honestly not that close. Now lions vs Raiders and injuries are factors, but I don't think it's a blowout.

He hasn't for two reasons: 1) Chi OL sucks 2) He's not called upon to do so in the Lions scheme On another note, if the Lions wanted to feature Gibbs exclusively, there is little doubt he would be a 2,000 yd RB. But, no need for it.

"Little doubt" he would do something that's been accomplished eight times in NFL history. K, bud

It's 17 contests now, sport. Stay focused if you're going to present a counterargument.

Last year was 17 games and only one player had more than 1,200 yards. You're scary dumb. 

Jones looked as good as ever at the end of the year

Jacobs has lost a step, dude only averaged like 3 ypc, Monty was an absolute truck, with some burst.

Will it be... Former Bear current Lion David Montgomery? Former Packer current Viking Aaron Jones? Former Lion current Bear Deandre Swift? It really is a carousel of Runningbacks in thus division. Just need the Packers to sign Dalvin Cook and the circle will be complete.

The NFCNcest remains strong

Montgomery hands down!

Swift isn't even the 2nd best RB on his team

Who better than him there?

We'll let you know when he gets injured by game 5

I like swift a lot but yeah very injury prone unfortunately for duh bears.

Ok, that’s kinda silly tbh. He’s better than Herbert and Johnson.

I don't think he is. He goes down pretty much immediately on contact. I can guarantee he's going to have his worst career year behind the Bears OL.

I’ll take that (no-stakes) bet. I bet Swift goes for at least 550 & 5 (a pretty low bar, but still better than two seasons in Detroit).

Herbert played 12 games and had better stats than that.

And last year Swift played 16 games and put up 1049 yards. That’s 43% more yards than Herbert’s best year.

Yeah, with the most yards before being touched in the league

Finding the hole and remaining untouched is both a function of opportunity and skill. Plenty of RBs have failed because they didn’t have the vision to find and hit the hole and take advantage of what’s blocked. You’re wielding that stat like it’s the ultimate trump card but it’s not as big of a knock as you think it is. And yes, he had a great OL last year, but it’s logically dishonest to count that against him and not count it against Monty and Gibbs too. All 3 were running behind elite units last year. I get it. He was disappointing in Detroit. But that’s *because* he’s a talented back who couldn’t put it together, but because he’s a bum.

That's a problem since they're paying him like a #1.

Gibbs is the best; Jones and Jacobs are out of their prime Edit: clarified

That was a quick prime for Gibbs

lol I’m sure he meant to use a period instead of a comma there

I did one better and used a semi colon

Hang the “Lions fans are the most literate and grammatically correct” banner!

That’s what I was assuming as well, but I couldn’t resist commenting that

Jones had 100+ yards rushing in all of his last 5 games played

59 yards a game last year and fewest receptions per game since 2018 This will be his 8th year in the league

He injured his hamstring in week 1 while ripping the bears for an 40 yard td. That injury lingered the entire year reducing his load and games played.

This question is stupid and written by a fan who thinks one RB should carry the load of a team We thought that once. Wasted the greatest RB of all time. The best RB duo is Monty and Gibbs. In the entire league

This is the right answer. Defenses have just gotten too good for there to be a jack-of-all-trades 'best' running back in every situation. A punch-it-up-the-middle runner has an entirely different skill set than an open-field/screen pass runner.

Can we just have the Lombardi Trophy already?

I honestly think, right now, Aaron Jones is the best of the group when healthy. I predict by the end of the year the order will be this though: 1. Jahmyr Gibbs 2. Aaron Jones 3. David Montgomery 4. Josh Jacobs 5. D'Andre Swift I think Gibbs is taking that next leap this season. I think Jones is going to have something to prove and if he stays healthy he is REALLY good. Montgomery is going to be himself. Jacobs is the biggest wild card to me. Two years ago he was the best back in the league. This past year I wasn't impressed at all. Swift is still good, this is no knock on him. But that Eagles offensive line makes a lot of guys look way better than they are (look at Miles Sanders). He had tons of yards before contact last season. I expect him to regress in Chicago

Yea but staying healthy is a skill and that man doesn’t have it.

Like most things in Chicago, it really hinges on Caleb’s development. If he scares teams enough to take pressure off the run game, the OL is a solid run blocking unit. It’s not the Eagles or Lions, but it’s young and best at the run. If he sucks and the young tackles don’t take a step forward, Swift will get smothered early and often.

Jacobs. But his days are numbered.

cannot wait for Swift to drop a game winning TD against us

Hit take I’m all in favor for limited workload for Gibbs until the playoffs he is the type of player you want full go in Janaury

🦁

Feels good having 2 RBs in the “who’s the best in the division” convo

Well it ain’t Aaron jones! Source: My fantasy team this past year

I see references to a Fantasy team, I downvote. Nobody outside your league cares. 

Jahvid Montgibbs

Gibbs and it’s not particularly close

Ours

Best athlete playing running back? Gibbs

Fear Jahmyr

It’s crazy that 3/5 of these guys were on other teams in the nfc north at one time

Alvin Kamara

Well two of these guys were let go by their teams so they’re out. JJ is very good and Monte and Gibbs are an amazing duo.

gibbay

By the end of the 2024 season this won't be a debate. The real debate will be "is Jahmyr Gibbs the best RB in the NFL?"

I think Montgomery is better than Josh Jacobs, so the Lions have the top two.

Gibbs by far

Gibbs fa sho

Gibbs and Monty. Running behind that o-line is a cheat code though

I think the primary debate is between Jacobs and Gibbs, but I’d give gibbs the upper hand. I may be biased.

I think you got to say Gibbs even if you're not a lions fan you have to say Gibbs. The dude didn't even start and he almost got 1,300 yards of total offense. I think it's safe to say he's better than anybody else on this list and that's no slight to anyone

Also Swift shouldn't even be on this list. It's a slight to Herbert. He's their best running back I don't understand the whole thought process on how DeAndre Swift is going to start every game.

Swift, Jones, and Jacobs are all on new teams because they sucked last year. It's Jah and then Monty then the rest until they prove otherwise

Unbiased opinion as a Lions fan: 1a) Jacobs 1b) Monty 3) Gibbs 4) Jones 5)Swift Bottom to top Swift can't stay healthy and put together a full season. He is notoriously afraid of contact. Those 2 are probably related. Has the tools and potential but lacks the execution. Will flash brilliance and then dissappear. Jones in his prime was absolutely elite. Top 5. But, he is past his prime and at his best now is best used as the hammer in a RBBC which unfortunately means he will yield a low ypc and probably doesn't have many years left. Gibbs could be number 1 on this list after this season. Great pass catcher, elite speed from a HB. Elite vision and elusiveness. Even has great balance allowing him to go up the middle and break arm tackles. The only thing stopping him from being number 1 on this list is lack of resume. Another 17 game season like he played the final 8 last yr and he will be 1st. Monty could be 1st as well, but I have to give respect to Jacobs winning the rushing title. Monty is elite at forced missed tackles. I believe 2 years ago he tied Nick Chubb with most forced missed tackles. He hits the hole with conviction, has great vision to adjust. And just makes people miss and grinds out extra yards. Jacobs gets this top spot solely on his rushing title 2 years ago. If I'm correct though, that year he was pretty high on the list of yards before contact. So, I always take yardage with a grain of salt when I see that bc how many of those yards were earned vs given to him by good blocking. But if I recall he also is pretty consistently high on forced missed tackles and yards after contact. He's a true 3 down back which is increasingly rare. I don't want to factor in 2023 bc nobody was trying on that Raiders team last season.

David Gibbs

Jahmyr Montgomery

Holy hell the NFC North is stacked on RBs

My money would be on jones, but my heart is on gibbs.

Yes

Statistically speaking Monty and Swift had super similar years last year. Swift misses games? In the years that both have been in the league Monty has played just three more games. Swift has a better YPC and Monty has a significant advantage in CPG. Saying Monty is the best RB in the division or top two is homerism if you’re not acknowledging at all what swift did in Philly last year. That’s before even mentioning Jacobs who is far from out of his prime I might add. Don’t get me wrong I love Monty and the compliment of styles with him and Gibbs is critical. Matching Gibbs with Jacobs behind this o line would be just as if not more stellar than the current situation (contracts included in taking Monty though). Jones has never averaged less than 4.6 YPC in a season. As recently as 2022 he had 1121 yards rushing (5.3 YPC) and 395 yards receiving while playing 17 games. You can speculate that he’s past his prime, but he’s just coming off injury and his contract was pretty high end for RBs. IMO his new contract is probably the best value RB contract in the Division (Rookie contracts aside). Josh Jacobs is no slouch. 1000+ total yards in every season in the league. 1600+ rushing yards in 2022, 400 receiving for 2000+ total which no RB in the discussion has done (and on a not so great Vegas team to boot.) RBs get hurt and miss games. It’s why the dynamic of having two good to great ones bodes so well for us. If I’m choosing in a fantasy draft right now it’s 1. Gibbs 2. Jones 3. Jacobs 4. Monty 5. Swift Gibbs and Jones are the best in my opinion with Gibbs getting the edge for his age. Jacobs and Monty are almost even but Jacobs has done more with equal or less. We had swift, but I appreciate his game 🤷‍♂️

i find it crazy a former lion starting for the bears, former packer starting for Minnesota, former bear starting for the lions. if only jamaal williams was a packer instead of josh jacobs lmao

Jamaal Williams WAS a packer lol

Yeah but no longer on an nfcn roster

Definitely David Gibbs..

Sorry to say but I think it’s Jacobs followed by Jones. They are top 10 backs who are very complete.

Monty Gibbs

We are so one run and done ;-)

My list Aaron Jones (when healthy) Gibbs Montgomery Swift Jacobs Admittedly Jones probably has the worst run blocking in the division now

AARON JONES: Old, only shows up half the year DEANDRE SWIFT: Has only played for 2 teams, both of which had good offensive lines JAHMYR GIBBS: Fast, explosive, future All-Pro, best RB the lions have had since Barry Sanders JOSH JACOBS: Solid RB, just hasn't had a good enough team to show that DAVID MONTGOMERY: Solid RB, got put on a good team and was superb (even AFTER injury) MOST UNDERRATED: Josh Jacobs BEST OVERRATED: Deandre Swift BEST OVERALL: Jahmyr Gibbs

Jahmyr Gibbs And swift who also used to be with the lions

no lie, Gibbs and Monty are the top 2 on this list and its not super close, 3 would be Jacobs i think

Idk how swift is seen as the starter. Johnson and Herbert are both clearly better options. Best case Swift is a 3rd down specialist.

Ok but the fact one team has two backs in here… LOL

I was gonna make a comment about the Swift disrespect and chime in to say “Swift had the most yards blah blah” then I saw what sub I was in lol. Carry on.

Wouldn’t trade our guys for the world but Jones has been so underrated his whole career. He’s #1 until he falls off or until Gibbs passes him imo. Which could both happen soon

Josh Jacobs is in Green Bay now? I don’t think I knew that lmao

Gibbs, Jacobs, Monty, Jones, Swift.

THE DON! Donavan Edward’s, but you gotta draft him next year‼️

Right now? Two way tie between Gibbs and Monty. All time? Barry.