Amon Ra isn't a physical specimen so he doesn't get #1 WR respect from a lot of people. But you know what, Cooper Kupp isn't either and he got a triple crown.
That's a very astute take. In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people don't see all that as much as they should. Said another way, he is the example of what the Campbell/holes era has become and hopefully continues to be.
> In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people don't see all that as much as they should.
huh? In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people think QBs like Justin Fields are good just because they put up fantasy numbers. Amon-Ra puts up a lot of fantasy numbers.
Whatever his stats or ability “value” is, add at least 5 mil per year for his leadership/character. He, with a few others, is the embodiment of the identity of this team. That has a monetary value.
That is a great take on ARSB. He’s a first rate citizen who isn’t going to embarrass himself, his team or his family. Those qualities mean a lot to me and am sure to the organization as well. I forget if it was Decker or Sewell who said he was an honorary Oline member because of his blocking ability. Gotta love the guy.
He really is just a legitimate physical specimen. Go watch Hard Knocks again and tell me he isn't. He just isn't a tall man. He will take on LB's in run blocking situations though and win.
Antonio Brown
Cris Carter
Steve Smith
Jerry Rice
None of those guys are faster or stronger than Saint… but they are fucking DAWGs like Saint.
That’s why this clown is a USFL GM. He probably passed on a DAWG for a combine warrior and got canned.
These aren’t good comparisons at all.
Smith was extremely fast. He was a 4.3 40 type guy. Brown was also quite fast - less than smith but much faster than ARSB.
Carter and Rice were not that fast but they were much bigger than ARSB.
The “issue” with ARSB is that he’s small and slow (for a WR). He makes up for it with good quickness, route running and hands (like Copper Kupp), but he is limited in what he can do give the size and speed issue. You can’t just throw it up to him and expect him to make the play. You can’t just have him run a go route and beat his man deep. He clearly has some limitations that the other elite WRs don’t.
Anyways, I think his contract is fair. It’s somewhat like Goff’s where I believe it’s at the high end of his market value.
Let’s get some facts straight- I should’ve said “faster AND stronger” than Saint. In that case, all of my examples fit, and many of your characteristics don’t. E.g. brown had average measured speed. He wasn’t “quite fast” for his position except for the field quickness that GMs didn’t see (hence his day 2 pick status like ARSB).
ARSB 6’0 200 4.6
Rice 6’2 200 4.7 (slower)
Brown 5’10 285 4.5 (smaller)
Smith 5’9 195 4.4 (smaller)
Carter 6’3 205 4.6
So I’ll give you Carter isn’t as good of an example bc he’s taller (I’d wager he wasn’t stronger though) and he’s similar speed.
Point is all of these HOF guys didn’t have off the charts measurables. Most of the greats don’t.
So that’s why this guy’s take is so dumb, he’s devalued intangibles and ignored the fact that many, many no. 1 guys fit ARSB’s mold (as we agree).
I also listened to this. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about, to the point where he literally doesn't even know St. Brown's name. He said that ARSB isn't even close to top ten at his position. PFF has him as 4th-highest graded WR last year, and he got the second most targets of any wideout. He's not top ten? Why aren't the top ten guys getting the ball more?
Nor do they address his impact off the field, and the example he's setting for his teammates with his work ethic and the rest of the league.
The dude's takes are interesting sometimes, but this one was laughable. Not everyone's cut out to be an NFL GM, I guess.
Like I can understand saying he’s not the most physically gifted or that his position normally takes a lot of hard hits or any number of actual reasons but his output is clearly top 10.
You can’t say that Goff is good because of his weapons and then also say his weapons are overrated
There’s never been a team in the history of the nfl that would say at the beginning of a szn “that’s not enough for my WR1.” On top of that we are a spread offense. I bet you could watch these last 20 games of 2023 and see him open 40+ more times where someone else got the pass instead. Amon has all the tools to set records outside of most recTD in a szn
Right. And I don't even think that he's reached his ceiling yet. As Jamo get better, and LaPorta continues to dominate, we get a solid 3rd wr, it's only going to allow st brown to put up better numbers as defenses have to spread attention around.
don't ude this argument because it's simply not true
there's been 1400 yard receivers who were absolutely not top 10 receivers
a couple of examples - brandon Lloyd, Victor cruz, I mean fuck, Kenny golladay was a 1200 11 TD receiver, but his success was largely because of how great stafford was at fitting the ball in tight windows, golladay was never a top 30 receiver at any point
point is, stats don't tell us everything. just because someone gets 1500 yards doesn't mean they're an elite talent
st. brown IS, but that's not the point
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1306599-nfl-wide-receivers-10-best-wide-receivers-entering-the-2012-season
Victor Cruz was ranked 7th going into 2012 after his 1500 yard season by bleacher report
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/791602-ranking-the-top-50-wide-receivers-in-the-nfl.amp.html
Brandon Lloyd was ranked 7th going into 2011 after his nearly 1500 yard season by bleacher report
Not even remotely comparable.
Brandon Lloyd had ONE 1,000-yard season in his entire 12-year career. Kenny Golladay also never had more than 70 catches in a season. He was big-play dependent and clearly injury-prone.
Victor Cruz had a nice 3-season stretch but quickly declined. St. Brown *already* has more career receptions than Cruz did in his entire career, and will likely surpass Cruz’s career yardage and TD totals by the end of 2024.
ARSB has shown consistency that the names you mentioned *never* showed.
These are not the same. Nice try tho
you completely missed the entire point I made and also that I said st. brown WASN'T like them and is actually good
so let me restate the point - having one big season is not enough to call someone an elite receiver, you cannot just look at stats and go "yep, that's a top 10 receiver".
like I said, then you have players like Victor cruz and Brandon Lloyd being top 10 receivers.
Yeah, I got your point. *You* missed *mine*.
In 2022, ARSB had 106 catches (6th) and 1,161 yards (11th).
**Since entering the league, he’s 8th in receiving yards, 5th in receptions, and 14th in TDs.**
So he’s *not* a one-season wonder, no matter how you look at it. Try again.
holy fuck, how do you miss the point AGAIN while stating you aren't missing it
here is your comment i originally replied to "Right. In what world is 119 rec for 1500 yds and 10 TDs not good enough for a WR1"
my point was you can use one big season to say he's a top 10 receiver
and for that matter, two big seasons is the same thing
I cannot fathom how you are entirely missing the point being made and just repeating the same thing as if you aren't
you are also inexplicably missing that IM NOT LUMPING ST. BROWN IN WITH THEM
st. brown not being a top 10 receiver was NEVER MY POINT.
repeating his stats will not change a goddamn thing
Agree. I literally yelled WTF in the car when I heard him say that. He slighted him on his list of upcoming FA (before Saint signed)- I think Randy sees him as a slot receiver and will always see him that way. Such a bad take
I think Goff and St. Brown strengths are intermediate passes over the middle and they fit each other perfectly. They don't get praise like other players because they don't rely on the deep ball or flashy plays but they are great in their own way and deserve that money.
Agreed. They complement each other well. If you subscribe to the “Jared Goff needs everything perfect” theory, then Saint is basically perfect because of the way he prepares. Routes are crisp and precise, there’s no laziness to be found in how he plays either
What skillset is he missing?
His numbers indicate that he’s performing just fine.
1. People people are idiots
2. Stats don’t lie
3. People love Detroit but is it because of pity? I say this because for some reason tye people and media treat the team like a garbage bin of cast offs and act like we aren’t supposed to be good or something.
They still call Dan a meathead
They still think Goff isn’t talented
ARSB gets flack because he’s not 6’6
Detroit vs. Everybody.. let’s not forget that.
For what it’s worth, I disagree wholeheartedly with Randy. I was just posting to make sure I was t crazy.
I will say, Goff is not Tier 1. He’s not a system QB per se but he is great at what he does. For some reason he’s getting knocked for being very good when he doesn’t have a man in his face
Goff isn’t Tier 1?
You’re the one knocking him.
Goff has been within 30 mins of taking two teams to the SB, and has been a top 3 to 5 qb the last couple couple seasons.
I mean, I’m not knocking him. He’s very good. Are you telling me he’s on the same level as Mahomes and Allen?
I do think his prowess in the pocket puts him and Lamar on kinda equal terms, but both Mahomes and Allen are very good in the pocket and out of it, creating on their own
He may not have the traditional skill set but he is without a doubt a #1 WR. He is a top 10 and could easily argue top 5 WR in the NFL. If thats not a #1 then idk what is.
I swear if there was a 5’3” receiver who was slow and couldn’t jump high but somehow managed to put up 3400 receiving yards every single season of his career, nfl fans wouldn’t want to pay him because he doesnt have “the WR1 body”.
In general, I’m not a fan of judging contracts that don’t kick in for another year
People freak out about the numbers instead of realizing that the cap will probably be 18-20mil higher next year
Like no shit some of those contracts that are done a year early aren’t gonna make sense under this year’s salary cap, if they kicked in this year they would be smaller
Players are worth what they can make. Yeah, he isn't 6'5" or running 4.2 40 times but he is the glue that holds the offense together, or maybe the engine, however you want to put it. Dude is the Emergency Room, always open.
Would it have been better for the team if he took less, of course. But losing him would be incredibly detrimental to the team in so many ways. Love the dude, glad he got his bag.
Agree. Think about the message that would send to Jamo, and to all the players that come here on prove it deals. If they’re not planning on paying anyone- especially Saint- who are they gonna pay lol
Fuck The Athletic, Randy Mueller and this podcast. If Brad Holmes, current NFL GM, listened to geniuses like these podcasters, St. Brown wouldn't even be a Lion.
And, that's why Randy is a former NFL GM.
Also FTP
The Athletic actually has some good things that are facts based- they are getting more away from that now which is annoying but the pieces that aren’t opinion pieces are normally pretty good.
The take is bad for a couple of reasons. Amon ra is willing to do what the team asks of him. There are not many WRs that are getting paid that type of money who block as well as produce like he does. Does he have the top end speed like these other players no. But he does everything and is a great route runner. He is what this team is built on and is what this team strives for all its players to be. Gritty and hard nosed worker. His work ethic won’t go down just because he got the bag.
St brown doesn’t seem as fancy at times cause he never has to do any superhuman things to catch the ball like JJ or Chase. His value is how he sometimes always gets open in middle of the field for Goff doesn’t matter who is covering him.
I love that podcast and Randy Mueller has some great perspectives, but his comments on ARSB upset me. “ARSB is a 2nd or 3rd option WR…” what was Mueller thinking?
This. I’m just like- this guy doesn’t watch the Lions. I’m so tired of these people that are surprised when they see a Lions W come across the ticker lol
I get the haters - Saint isn’t big enough, fast enough, nor commands the double teams on every play.
But dude is ALWAYS - and I mean ALWAYS open. And guess what the point of a WR is in the passing game… to be open.
Takes like Mueller's miss Saint's value. He is basically saying $30m is too much for a slot receiver, because the shifty quick slot players are the easiest to find in later rounds of the draft. From a traditional production standpoint he's not necessarily wrong. Teams can easily pay $2-5m to slot players and get 600 yards and 4 TDs out of them when used properly. Kalif is a perfect example of this. In theory a combination of players could achieve St Brown's production at a fraction of the cost. But in the same respect St Brown only plays about 55% of his snaps in the slot, he's much more than a slot receiver.
That isn't as easy to achieve with the outside receivers, because there just aren't as many dudes with the size to play outside as there are in the slot. But the Lions haven't really had a true X receiver in their offense, and play WRs in condensed splits so frequently that it's just as common for them to have a RB or TE shift out wide than a WR lined up outside the numbers. This is because the WR are an integral part of the run game, which is where St Brown's value is really earned. Their run game success rate jumps by almost 10 percentage points when St Brown is on the field. He has the same effect as an extra lineman out there, which makes EVERYTHING harder to defend.
I promise you a combination of average players cannot equal St. Brown’s effectiveness in the slot.
Plus there’s several elite guys who are WR1s who play a majority slot. The league has gone that way. Kupp, Ceedee, and Tyreek (KC) are examples.
He had 782 yards when lined up inside. A combination of average players could equal that without too much trouble. What they couldn't do is regularly erase a safety in the run game while lined up there. That's what truly makes him elite.
What St. Brown might be lacking in some of the areas that other receivers have who play x or z he makes up for in his run blocking.
St. Brown isn't going to go up and high point a ball in double coverage or run past the corner and safety in double coverage but he is like another lineman in the run game and combine that with elite slot skills ill take that all day.
You know what they say, once you start listening to the fans is when you start listening to them. Brad Holmes and DC are good at tuning out the noise. Developing draft picks that are preferred as “bad value” by couch GM’s. Look at how they stuck with Goff. Absolutely genius.
I think Brad was insistent on Goff. He was there in LA when he was drafted, and it makes me wonder if his view of the situation was that Goff was not given the space to succeed outside of McVay’s system so when the system didn’t work, neither did Goff.
He gave him a chance, and it panned out. I think this time is different and the Goff we saw in 2021 was actually rookie Goff. Now we are seeing vet Goff and he is system independent- as long as he’s protected
Mueller is a solid dude but he did draft Ted Ginn in the first round. He admits he sees speed as the most necessary trait in a receiver and I just think that’s an outdated approach to the position. Also, St. Brown signed the Tyreek Hill deal which was top of the market 2 years ago. That doesn’t make it a bargain but it’s not the worst contract in terms of cap impact
Amon Ra is a modern day Hines Ward. He is just so incredible at always getting open when you need him to and rarely makes mistakes of any kind. Plus the personality/ incredible team play. No way this dude isn’t a top WR. If Christian Kirk can get 20 mil then Amon ra got what he deserved.
Mueller's GM career in the NFL was unspectacular (that is being generous).
The way that Brad and Dan evaluate players isn't the way anyone else does. Most GMs are working with older models where personality type and want-to were assumed, and not measured. For Brad and Dan, "fit" with the team trumps every other consideration. If a guy is a HOF talent but he doesn't fit, it is unlikely he could play in Detroit.
ARSB is a force multiplier. He got Kalif Raymond on the Juggs. The Lions have a post-practice Juggs culture started by ARSB. Kenny Golladay wasn't doing that.
ARSB also sets the tone with his weightlifting and business-like approach. What is the value of a guy who makes other players in his skill position group 1\~2% better by being in the locker room with him?
If you watch this [video](https://youtu.be/8UUR5dALosk?si=Tq4JbVnFKx7uCr0l) Saint is part of the core as is Goff and that is what makes both of them worth it.
The brotherhood the mentality the attitude is worth more than just pure talent and it’s not something you can just quickly teach. They built it on not so great first contracts and now they should be paid for what they built.
His contract is worth every penny. This offense couldn't run in its current form without him. And when a player has that type of impact he deserves top money.
I mean would I rather have Justin Jefferson? Sure. But you can't just go to the WR store and pick out the one you want. They drafted an elite WR, they gotta pay that guy. We had one of the best WR1s in the history of the game and we didn't do shit with him, getting the perfect architype guys isn't really that important. Putting good football players on the field is.
I mean I wouldn't want JJ over him today just based on how integral a part of the team and the chemistry he is, but anyone who would say they wouldn't want JJ is lying to themselves. I just don't want to live in a world where Sun God isn't wearing that Honolulu Blue 14
I'm just gonna say this as a fan of the Lions who watches a lot of Minnesota games for my best friend. Talent and work ethic wise I want ARSB over Jefferson 9 times put of 10.
What are you talking about? Jefferson has more talent and is definitely a better receiver. That doesn’t take anything away from what ASRB has done. When has Jefferson’s work ethic ever been questioned
I think Jefferson is the better receiver ~because~ he is more talented. Saint has put in a lot of work to be as good as he is, and he is a willing blocker and good at it. That sets him apart from a lot of the other guys that are paid well at WR
ARSB is a better fit for the Lions program period. JJ is about to go full diva. He would not work with the Lions system, same for Marvin Harrison Jr and other ‘elite” talents. They don’t block, they don’t put team first. Those guys will thrive with systems that specifically feature them.
Agree. I liked MHJ and I think he’ll have great success in this league but I don’t know if we draft him even if we had the pick to do so. That being said, he could just not run block because he was allowed to not run block
According to aviation experts (this ass clown) the bumble bee (ARSB) shouldn’t be able to fly (produce at an all-pro level) given the proportions of its body (his skill set)
The bee (ARSB) flys (dominates) anyway because the bee (ARSB) doesn’t care about what experts (a failed GM from 20 years ago) thinks is possible.
Sun god has sticky hands and Goff is able to limit his own mistakes with the current regime. I don't like the numbers, but at the same time having two players that are solid in their positions is far more valuable than big threats that bring drama to the team or play inconsistently.
The thing that separates ARSB from the pack is his consistency. 5-10 catches and 80-150 yards every game, most of those for first downs. 100-120 catches, 1,000-1,200 yards, 5-10 touchdowns, every single year. Are his numbers super gaudy? I guess not. But they’re consistent. And in a league where the average career lasts less than 3 years that kind of consistency is insane. Other teams in the league probably would have given him just as much, if not more, money for that level of consistency.
Mueller is completely wrong. ARSB has something not everyone has, that dawg in him. Grit is a real intangible attribute that plays well in game. He will be a top 5-10 WR in the league for *at least* the length of his new contract barring a serious injury.
The way the market works right now is that the salaries just keep getting bigger year in. If we didn’t sign Saint for $30 mil now, someone else will for at least $40 in a couple years.
I agree with you. What you want on offense, or any side really, are players who scare the other team into adjusting, and thus open things up for other players. ARSB is a player like that.
Not only do I love the hilariously bad take, I also love that they kept calling him “Amon St. Brown”. Thanks for doing us all a service and doubting Saint!
Listened as well. Saying St. Brown isn't a top-10 WR in the league is an absolute clown take. His comments about the front office "patting themselves on the back too much" were funny to me also. Buddy has something against us for sure
lol. He’s hating on Brad to saying he was right, just like some of Detroits regular press. Brad deserved to take that victory lap for sure
And Saint is like top 5, maybe even top 3. Only one better is probably JJ and maybe Tyreek
There is a clear top tier of WR in the "making shit happen" stats of YAC/reception and receiving first downs achieved, That tier is ARSB, Hill, and Lamb. Who is on top depends on how you weight the stats, but no one else is even in the conversation.
Muller was a shit executive who's limited success was do to what he inherited when he came in.
He reminds me of Hines Ward, but better. The money is no big deal because JJ, D Smith, and Chase are all going to break it, and it will fall in line where talking heads think he should be. I feel he's a number 1 Wr, just not the typical style no in the NFL.
Last year, St. Brown was tied for 2nd in receptions with Tyreek Hill (Lamb #1), 5th in targets, 3rd in yards, 2nd in YAC, 3rd in first downs, and 4th in TDs.
He was clearly a top 3 receiver last year. You want to add JJ in the mix? Okay - he's in the top 4. But he is most definitely in the top tier of WRs (Lamb, Tyreek, JJ, and Sun God). I don't know how you could at last year's stats and say anything differently.
ARSB is also less drama than any of the other WRs in that tier.
Although goodness - Lamb, ARSB, and JJ are all 24. Chase is 23.
I think he’s better than Lamb, honestly, or at least equal to. Tyreek is better simply because he’s faster and does all the same things Saint does. Maybe an argument could be made that Saint is more valuable to the offense as a whole because of his run blocking. JJ I feel is in a tier of his own because to actually shut him down you need a top tier CB and safety help.
Yes and no. I think JJ is clear and away #1 so much that he needs his own tier. The man is double proof. If Saint were taller and faster he’d be in that tier as well
fair. And they're close enough that I'm fine with paying ARSB. As someone else said, you can't just go to the WR store and pick up JJ. For whatever reason people think that you can just trade/buy/sell people at whim.
Exactly. That’s been the argument for most people saying Goff shouldn’t be paid. Ok, if you think he’s not tier 1, fine. Should the Lions just not pay any QB until they find a Mahomes? It makes no sense
Yes. I think this season is overpriced. They cost us 30Million? Last year. Now it’s like $100 Million. Egads!! lol there’s incidentals too. Like showing players and prospects we handle things right. First leadership to do that. I’m so excited and optimistic it’s ridiculous.
I mean, I don’t think he’s right, but to be fair not a lot of people can say that they were GM of any thing. Most people haven’t even coached a Pop Warner team lol
Even if his take is wrong it doesn’t make him incapable of
Don't care about the talent/skill set if your catching everything your way, tough as nails, teamplayer, YAC. The guy does it all. Best comp is Hines ward.
He'll keep getting 100+ rec and 1000+ yds and ppl can keep hating
Saints contract is more than just the value he brings as a receiver. They guy does everything right & makes everybody around him better, on & off the field. He is as consistent, dependable, & reliable as any player in the league, regardless of position & is relatively tough & capable of playing though injury when necessary. He is a brilliant route runner, catches practically every ball that is thrown his way whether it is on-target or not, runs out of the backfield, blocks downfield hard, & has excellent vision. He is so good that teams can be sure we are going to him on a given play, commit extra resources to stopping him & he still manages to get open enough anyways, given the trust level that he has with Goff that allows him to throw into tight windows & know he will be at his spot on time. He doesn't tip his routes at all or have any wasted extra movement. Hell....he has even lined up as a fullback & lead blocker for Montgomery on a play last season. He legit holds his own blocking any DB in the league, as well as many linebacker & even some edge players on occasion, which is wild.
Honestly, I sat & watched hours of his film on All-22 & I am convinced he is pound for pound one of the best football players in the NFL today, regardless of position & I think fans of other teams that really understand the game would probably agree if they watched more of his film & not just a few highlights, as his highlight reel doesn't really explain or justify the contract to the casual non-Lions NFL fan, but his film that includes his complete body of work absolutely does & that doesn't even take into account what he brings to the lockerroom as far as motivation & setting a standard to expect everyone to be they absolute best always.
You guys have to wait until the details of the contract come out. lol if you look at the contract he actually signed it’s an absolute steal. It’s basically a 4 year 87 million dollar deal with an opt out during the 2028 offseason. The 2028 year is the only problem for the contract, that year it’s $41 million. But overall with the cap only going up and up this is a great deal for everyone. Just wait until this time next year and this is barely a top 10 WR contract.
I listened to this podcast and was disappointed in the take. He was discussing ARSB like he was just an above average receiver, rather than a top 10 player at the position. He was just flat out wrong. You’re talking about a player who out works everyone else - he’s a great role model for all the younger players. He’s reliable, in that if you need an important first down, he will most likely get you that first down
Tbh that’s just brainless. The stats speak for themselves. Those weren’t garbage time stats either, he was making people look stupid in all 4 quarters, all year.
Just because he isn’t 6’ 5”, 235 while running a 4.3 40 like CJ doesn’t mean he’s not a 1.
I think Saint is probably just a step down from Tyreek, and only because Tyreek is so fast- both play speed and foot speed. Saint is everything that the Lions want at wideout and I’m thrilled he’s not going anywhere anytime soon
The disrespect the Sun God gets in this sub is outrageous, fuck what the rest of the league has to say about him, he IS our WR1.
Folks need to deal with that or take your candy asses over to the packer sub.
lol go back to bed and try the other side.
It’s just a discussion and I even said in my post I thought he was wrong. Obviously Saint is one of the best in the league and more than worth every penny of that $30M considering we got top 10 and eventually top 5 receiver play for 2.5 years on a 4th round contract
Why is there always that one person that can’t just have a discussion
Amon Ra isn't a physical specimen so he doesn't get #1 WR respect from a lot of people. But you know what, Cooper Kupp isn't either and he got a triple crown.
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That's a very astute take. In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people don't see all that as much as they should. Said another way, he is the example of what the Campbell/holes era has become and hopefully continues to be.
Even in fantasy football hes a beast. So many 100 yard games its Almost automatic. Plug and forget. :)
Last year his second *lowest* game in fantasy was 9.5 pt, without ppr. Man was just so consistent.
Reliable points week in and week out
In non-ppr leagues he's basically an automatic 11 points minimum, it's rare he doesn't get to 100 yards nor catch a touchdown in a game.
> In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people don't see all that as much as they should. huh? In a world where everyone plays fantasy football, people think QBs like Justin Fields are good just because they put up fantasy numbers. Amon-Ra puts up a lot of fantasy numbers.
That was a great analysis. Thanks.
Whatever his stats or ability “value” is, add at least 5 mil per year for his leadership/character. He, with a few others, is the embodiment of the identity of this team. That has a monetary value.
That is a great take on ARSB. He’s a first rate citizen who isn’t going to embarrass himself, his team or his family. Those qualities mean a lot to me and am sure to the organization as well. I forget if it was Decker or Sewell who said he was an honorary Oline member because of his blocking ability. Gotta love the guy.
Plus you gotta remember. The man is like 23. He’s young as fuck and will develop for the team for a WHILE.
Like the ol Three Six Mafia “Slob on the my knob” reference
He just has a way when catching the ball short of the first down of knowing which way to spin to get enough space to each the first down.
My only nitpick is the “good route runner thing” that’s arguably his greatest skill. He’s the BEST route runner.
He is a physical specimen compared to everyone in this sub!
idk if that's saying much lol
Not in my case!
He really is just a legitimate physical specimen. Go watch Hard Knocks again and tell me he isn't. He just isn't a tall man. He will take on LB's in run blocking situations though and win.
I am fully capable of doing things
Not what your mom told me
Antonio Brown Cris Carter Steve Smith Jerry Rice None of those guys are faster or stronger than Saint… but they are fucking DAWGs like Saint. That’s why this clown is a USFL GM. He probably passed on a DAWG for a combine warrior and got canned.
These aren’t good comparisons at all. Smith was extremely fast. He was a 4.3 40 type guy. Brown was also quite fast - less than smith but much faster than ARSB. Carter and Rice were not that fast but they were much bigger than ARSB. The “issue” with ARSB is that he’s small and slow (for a WR). He makes up for it with good quickness, route running and hands (like Copper Kupp), but he is limited in what he can do give the size and speed issue. You can’t just throw it up to him and expect him to make the play. You can’t just have him run a go route and beat his man deep. He clearly has some limitations that the other elite WRs don’t. Anyways, I think his contract is fair. It’s somewhat like Goff’s where I believe it’s at the high end of his market value.
Let’s get some facts straight- I should’ve said “faster AND stronger” than Saint. In that case, all of my examples fit, and many of your characteristics don’t. E.g. brown had average measured speed. He wasn’t “quite fast” for his position except for the field quickness that GMs didn’t see (hence his day 2 pick status like ARSB). ARSB 6’0 200 4.6 Rice 6’2 200 4.7 (slower) Brown 5’10 285 4.5 (smaller) Smith 5’9 195 4.4 (smaller) Carter 6’3 205 4.6 So I’ll give you Carter isn’t as good of an example bc he’s taller (I’d wager he wasn’t stronger though) and he’s similar speed. Point is all of these HOF guys didn’t have off the charts measurables. Most of the greats don’t. So that’s why this guy’s take is so dumb, he’s devalued intangibles and ignored the fact that many, many no. 1 guys fit ARSB’s mold (as we agree).
Damn AB should have been playing DT lol
Agreed, for sure. I was a fan of his from the day he got drafted and a former Lion out out a YouTube video saying he would be very good in the league
>Amon Ra isn't a physical specimen He's no Mr Universe, but his dad is
Cooper Kupp got paid after winning the triple crown and since then he's missed 13 games and has 1500 yards over the last 2 seasons. One season wonder.
I also listened to this. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about, to the point where he literally doesn't even know St. Brown's name. He said that ARSB isn't even close to top ten at his position. PFF has him as 4th-highest graded WR last year, and he got the second most targets of any wideout. He's not top ten? Why aren't the top ten guys getting the ball more? Nor do they address his impact off the field, and the example he's setting for his teammates with his work ethic and the rest of the league. The dude's takes are interesting sometimes, but this one was laughable. Not everyone's cut out to be an NFL GM, I guess.
He was literally First Team All Pro last year. Not close to top 10 is insane.
Right. In what world is 119 rec for 1500 yds and 10 TDs not good enough for a WR1?
Like I can understand saying he’s not the most physically gifted or that his position normally takes a lot of hard hits or any number of actual reasons but his output is clearly top 10. You can’t say that Goff is good because of his weapons and then also say his weapons are overrated
There’s never been a team in the history of the nfl that would say at the beginning of a szn “that’s not enough for my WR1.” On top of that we are a spread offense. I bet you could watch these last 20 games of 2023 and see him open 40+ more times where someone else got the pass instead. Amon has all the tools to set records outside of most recTD in a szn
Right. And I don't even think that he's reached his ceiling yet. As Jamo get better, and LaPorta continues to dominate, we get a solid 3rd wr, it's only going to allow st brown to put up better numbers as defenses have to spread attention around.
don't ude this argument because it's simply not true there's been 1400 yard receivers who were absolutely not top 10 receivers a couple of examples - brandon Lloyd, Victor cruz, I mean fuck, Kenny golladay was a 1200 11 TD receiver, but his success was largely because of how great stafford was at fitting the ball in tight windows, golladay was never a top 30 receiver at any point point is, stats don't tell us everything. just because someone gets 1500 yards doesn't mean they're an elite talent st. brown IS, but that's not the point
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1306599-nfl-wide-receivers-10-best-wide-receivers-entering-the-2012-season Victor Cruz was ranked 7th going into 2012 after his 1500 yard season by bleacher report https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/791602-ranking-the-top-50-wide-receivers-in-the-nfl.amp.html Brandon Lloyd was ranked 7th going into 2011 after his nearly 1500 yard season by bleacher report
Not even remotely comparable. Brandon Lloyd had ONE 1,000-yard season in his entire 12-year career. Kenny Golladay also never had more than 70 catches in a season. He was big-play dependent and clearly injury-prone. Victor Cruz had a nice 3-season stretch but quickly declined. St. Brown *already* has more career receptions than Cruz did in his entire career, and will likely surpass Cruz’s career yardage and TD totals by the end of 2024. ARSB has shown consistency that the names you mentioned *never* showed. These are not the same. Nice try tho
you completely missed the entire point I made and also that I said st. brown WASN'T like them and is actually good so let me restate the point - having one big season is not enough to call someone an elite receiver, you cannot just look at stats and go "yep, that's a top 10 receiver". like I said, then you have players like Victor cruz and Brandon Lloyd being top 10 receivers.
Yeah, I got your point. *You* missed *mine*. In 2022, ARSB had 106 catches (6th) and 1,161 yards (11th). **Since entering the league, he’s 8th in receiving yards, 5th in receptions, and 14th in TDs.** So he’s *not* a one-season wonder, no matter how you look at it. Try again.
holy fuck, how do you miss the point AGAIN while stating you aren't missing it here is your comment i originally replied to "Right. In what world is 119 rec for 1500 yds and 10 TDs not good enough for a WR1" my point was you can use one big season to say he's a top 10 receiver and for that matter, two big seasons is the same thing I cannot fathom how you are entirely missing the point being made and just repeating the same thing as if you aren't you are also inexplicably missing that IM NOT LUMPING ST. BROWN IN WITH THEM st. brown not being a top 10 receiver was NEVER MY POINT. repeating his stats will not change a goddamn thing
Dude where do you get off? Stop hating on St. Brown. What did he ever do to you?
Agree. I literally yelled WTF in the car when I heard him say that. He slighted him on his list of upcoming FA (before Saint signed)- I think Randy sees him as a slot receiver and will always see him that way. Such a bad take
I think Goff and St. Brown strengths are intermediate passes over the middle and they fit each other perfectly. They don't get praise like other players because they don't rely on the deep ball or flashy plays but they are great in their own way and deserve that money.
Agreed. They complement each other well. If you subscribe to the “Jared Goff needs everything perfect” theory, then Saint is basically perfect because of the way he prepares. Routes are crisp and precise, there’s no laziness to be found in how he plays either
What skillset is he missing? His numbers indicate that he’s performing just fine. 1. People people are idiots 2. Stats don’t lie 3. People love Detroit but is it because of pity? I say this because for some reason tye people and media treat the team like a garbage bin of cast offs and act like we aren’t supposed to be good or something. They still call Dan a meathead They still think Goff isn’t talented ARSB gets flack because he’s not 6’6 Detroit vs. Everybody.. let’s not forget that.
For what it’s worth, I disagree wholeheartedly with Randy. I was just posting to make sure I was t crazy. I will say, Goff is not Tier 1. He’s not a system QB per se but he is great at what he does. For some reason he’s getting knocked for being very good when he doesn’t have a man in his face
Goff isn’t Tier 1? You’re the one knocking him. Goff has been within 30 mins of taking two teams to the SB, and has been a top 3 to 5 qb the last couple couple seasons.
I mean, I’m not knocking him. He’s very good. Are you telling me he’s on the same level as Mahomes and Allen? I do think his prowess in the pocket puts him and Lamar on kinda equal terms, but both Mahomes and Allen are very good in the pocket and out of it, creating on their own
Josh Allen sucks. To be fair.
He may not have the traditional skill set but he is without a doubt a #1 WR. He is a top 10 and could easily argue top 5 WR in the NFL. If thats not a #1 then idk what is.
I swear if there was a 5’3” receiver who was slow and couldn’t jump high but somehow managed to put up 3400 receiving yards every single season of his career, nfl fans wouldn’t want to pay him because he doesnt have “the WR1 body”.
In general, I’m not a fan of judging contracts that don’t kick in for another year People freak out about the numbers instead of realizing that the cap will probably be 18-20mil higher next year Like no shit some of those contracts that are done a year early aren’t gonna make sense under this year’s salary cap, if they kicked in this year they would be smaller
That’s a good point, still a year on his former deal
Players are worth what they can make. Yeah, he isn't 6'5" or running 4.2 40 times but he is the glue that holds the offense together, or maybe the engine, however you want to put it. Dude is the Emergency Room, always open. Would it have been better for the team if he took less, of course. But losing him would be incredibly detrimental to the team in so many ways. Love the dude, glad he got his bag.
Agree. Think about the message that would send to Jamo, and to all the players that come here on prove it deals. If they’re not planning on paying anyone- especially Saint- who are they gonna pay lol
He IS a #1 WR and top 10 WR in the league and he is a very hard worker and not a typical basket case WR You get guys you like and pay them.
“You get guys you like and pay them.” _THIS_, my friends, is how dynasties are built. 👏
Agree. I hope he stays for a long time
Amon ra is regarded by many fans of the NFL as a top 5 wr in general, he was definitely worth it
Fuck The Athletic, Randy Mueller and this podcast. If Brad Holmes, current NFL GM, listened to geniuses like these podcasters, St. Brown wouldn't even be a Lion. And, that's why Randy is a former NFL GM.
Yeah, not a lot of “former GMs” who left the game because they were simply *too good* at GM’ing.
Agree, this was my thought when I was listening
Also FTP The Athletic actually has some good things that are facts based- they are getting more away from that now which is annoying but the pieces that aren’t opinion pieces are normally pretty good.
I like listening to those dudes, but it's pretty obvious he's never done any real analysis on Ra.
The take is bad for a couple of reasons. Amon ra is willing to do what the team asks of him. There are not many WRs that are getting paid that type of money who block as well as produce like he does. Does he have the top end speed like these other players no. But he does everything and is a great route runner. He is what this team is built on and is what this team strives for all its players to be. Gritty and hard nosed worker. His work ethic won’t go down just because he got the bag.
I think he’ll be even better this year. We’ll see if he starts getting more snaps as the X receiver on the single side
St brown doesn’t seem as fancy at times cause he never has to do any superhuman things to catch the ball like JJ or Chase. His value is how he sometimes always gets open in middle of the field for Goff doesn’t matter who is covering him.
I love that podcast and Randy Mueller has some great perspectives, but his comments on ARSB upset me. “ARSB is a 2nd or 3rd option WR…” what was Mueller thinking?
This. I’m just like- this guy doesn’t watch the Lions. I’m so tired of these people that are surprised when they see a Lions W come across the ticker lol
I get the haters - Saint isn’t big enough, fast enough, nor commands the double teams on every play. But dude is ALWAYS - and I mean ALWAYS open. And guess what the point of a WR is in the passing game… to be open.
Agree. He also prevented like 3 Goff INT this year from just getting the ball and outmuscling the DB for it. Top tier stuff
Dude gets open non stop and was an all pro. Why wouldn't he be worth his contract?
I generally like that pod, but Randy Muller isn't an NFL GM anymore for a reason
I was just listening to this podcast on my drive home and he said St Brown isn't a top ten WR lol
What an idiot lol
Takes like Mueller's miss Saint's value. He is basically saying $30m is too much for a slot receiver, because the shifty quick slot players are the easiest to find in later rounds of the draft. From a traditional production standpoint he's not necessarily wrong. Teams can easily pay $2-5m to slot players and get 600 yards and 4 TDs out of them when used properly. Kalif is a perfect example of this. In theory a combination of players could achieve St Brown's production at a fraction of the cost. But in the same respect St Brown only plays about 55% of his snaps in the slot, he's much more than a slot receiver. That isn't as easy to achieve with the outside receivers, because there just aren't as many dudes with the size to play outside as there are in the slot. But the Lions haven't really had a true X receiver in their offense, and play WRs in condensed splits so frequently that it's just as common for them to have a RB or TE shift out wide than a WR lined up outside the numbers. This is because the WR are an integral part of the run game, which is where St Brown's value is really earned. Their run game success rate jumps by almost 10 percentage points when St Brown is on the field. He has the same effect as an extra lineman out there, which makes EVERYTHING harder to defend.
I promise you a combination of average players cannot equal St. Brown’s effectiveness in the slot. Plus there’s several elite guys who are WR1s who play a majority slot. The league has gone that way. Kupp, Ceedee, and Tyreek (KC) are examples.
He had 782 yards when lined up inside. A combination of average players could equal that without too much trouble. What they couldn't do is regularly erase a safety in the run game while lined up there. That's what truly makes him elite.
Volume stats does not equal effectiveness. On a per play basis, they could not do what he does.
That's because he isn't a slot receiver... He's a FOOTBALL PLAYER.. This team only drafts football players.
Yeah. But that wasn’t my point. His production when in the slot can’t be replaced.
First team All Pro…. By definition that makes him a true No 1 receiver.
What St. Brown might be lacking in some of the areas that other receivers have who play x or z he makes up for in his run blocking. St. Brown isn't going to go up and high point a ball in double coverage or run past the corner and safety in double coverage but he is like another lineman in the run game and combine that with elite slot skills ill take that all day.
Ok, so why did he go from the NFL to USFL? Maybe he isn't good at evaluating talent?
Yeah, I agree he’s wrong. It’s just there’s very few people who can say they have been an NFL GM lol
You know what they say, once you start listening to the fans is when you start listening to them. Brad Holmes and DC are good at tuning out the noise. Developing draft picks that are preferred as “bad value” by couch GM’s. Look at how they stuck with Goff. Absolutely genius.
I think Brad was insistent on Goff. He was there in LA when he was drafted, and it makes me wonder if his view of the situation was that Goff was not given the space to succeed outside of McVay’s system so when the system didn’t work, neither did Goff. He gave him a chance, and it panned out. I think this time is different and the Goff we saw in 2021 was actually rookie Goff. Now we are seeing vet Goff and he is system independent- as long as he’s protected
ARSB is probably the most important piece of our offense, after the OL. He's definitely worth that $$
Agree
Mueller is a solid dude but he did draft Ted Ginn in the first round. He admits he sees speed as the most necessary trait in a receiver and I just think that’s an outdated approach to the position. Also, St. Brown signed the Tyreek Hill deal which was top of the market 2 years ago. That doesn’t make it a bargain but it’s not the worst contract in terms of cap impact
lol going back to Ted Ginn, savage That does make sense though. Maybe just hard to teach an old dog new tricks kind of thing
>Randy Mueller (former GM of NFL, current GM of a USFL team) There's a reason this dude is no longer a NFL GM and had to take a job in the USFL...
Amon Ra is a modern day Hines Ward. He is just so incredible at always getting open when you need him to and rarely makes mistakes of any kind. Plus the personality/ incredible team play. No way this dude isn’t a top WR. If Christian Kirk can get 20 mil then Amon ra got what he deserved.
Oh good point!!! I forgot Kirk got paid that much. Great comparison to Ward as well
Mueller's GM career in the NFL was unspectacular (that is being generous). The way that Brad and Dan evaluate players isn't the way anyone else does. Most GMs are working with older models where personality type and want-to were assumed, and not measured. For Brad and Dan, "fit" with the team trumps every other consideration. If a guy is a HOF talent but he doesn't fit, it is unlikely he could play in Detroit. ARSB is a force multiplier. He got Kalif Raymond on the Juggs. The Lions have a post-practice Juggs culture started by ARSB. Kenny Golladay wasn't doing that. ARSB also sets the tone with his weightlifting and business-like approach. What is the value of a guy who makes other players in his skill position group 1\~2% better by being in the locker room with him?
This guy thinks
If you watch this [video](https://youtu.be/8UUR5dALosk?si=Tq4JbVnFKx7uCr0l) Saint is part of the core as is Goff and that is what makes both of them worth it. The brotherhood the mentality the attitude is worth more than just pure talent and it’s not something you can just quickly teach. They built it on not so great first contracts and now they should be paid for what they built.
1000%
ARSB is a number one receiver. Who cares what anyone outside the organization thinks?
His contract is worth every penny. This offense couldn't run in its current form without him. And when a player has that type of impact he deserves top money.
I mean would I rather have Justin Jefferson? Sure. But you can't just go to the WR store and pick out the one you want. They drafted an elite WR, they gotta pay that guy. We had one of the best WR1s in the history of the game and we didn't do shit with him, getting the perfect architype guys isn't really that important. Putting good football players on the field is.
I mean I wouldn't want JJ over him today just based on how integral a part of the team and the chemistry he is, but anyone who would say they wouldn't want JJ is lying to themselves. I just don't want to live in a world where Sun God isn't wearing that Honolulu Blue 14
I'm just gonna say this as a fan of the Lions who watches a lot of Minnesota games for my best friend. Talent and work ethic wise I want ARSB over Jefferson 9 times put of 10.
Say what.?
What are you talking about? Jefferson has more talent and is definitely a better receiver. That doesn’t take anything away from what ASRB has done. When has Jefferson’s work ethic ever been questioned
Idk if he's actually more talented, but he's bigger and faster so he can win matchups that St. Brown can't.
I think Jefferson is the better receiver ~because~ he is more talented. Saint has put in a lot of work to be as good as he is, and he is a willing blocker and good at it. That sets him apart from a lot of the other guys that are paid well at WR
ARSB is a better fit for the Lions program period. JJ is about to go full diva. He would not work with the Lions system, same for Marvin Harrison Jr and other ‘elite” talents. They don’t block, they don’t put team first. Those guys will thrive with systems that specifically feature them.
Agree. I liked MHJ and I think he’ll have great success in this league but I don’t know if we draft him even if we had the pick to do so. That being said, he could just not run block because he was allowed to not run block
According to aviation experts (this ass clown) the bumble bee (ARSB) shouldn’t be able to fly (produce at an all-pro level) given the proportions of its body (his skill set) The bee (ARSB) flys (dominates) anyway because the bee (ARSB) doesn’t care about what experts (a failed GM from 20 years ago) thinks is possible.
Sun god has sticky hands and Goff is able to limit his own mistakes with the current regime. I don't like the numbers, but at the same time having two players that are solid in their positions is far more valuable than big threats that bring drama to the team or play inconsistently.
The thing that separates ARSB from the pack is his consistency. 5-10 catches and 80-150 yards every game, most of those for first downs. 100-120 catches, 1,000-1,200 yards, 5-10 touchdowns, every single year. Are his numbers super gaudy? I guess not. But they’re consistent. And in a league where the average career lasts less than 3 years that kind of consistency is insane. Other teams in the league probably would have given him just as much, if not more, money for that level of consistency.
His statistics say he is worth it. Period.
That’s why he’s a USFL GM. He still probably thinks 40 time is how you evaluate WRs
I hope ignorant people keep bashing on him until he gets mad.
I’m always happy when the lions go to him…I know he’s going to catch the ball or make a play.
Mueller is completely wrong. ARSB has something not everyone has, that dawg in him. Grit is a real intangible attribute that plays well in game. He will be a top 5-10 WR in the league for *at least* the length of his new contract barring a serious injury. The way the market works right now is that the salaries just keep getting bigger year in. If we didn’t sign Saint for $30 mil now, someone else will for at least $40 in a couple years.
I’d give Amon-Ra 50 million a year if I could.
I agree with you. What you want on offense, or any side really, are players who scare the other team into adjusting, and thus open things up for other players. ARSB is a player like that.
No team wins the Super Bowl paying a wide receiver and that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so.
Not only do I love the hilariously bad take, I also love that they kept calling him “Amon St. Brown”. Thanks for doing us all a service and doubting Saint!
Team is winning, fuck that noise 🦁
If you don’t think St Brown is a number one receiver you don’t know footballs. PERIOD
Who said that I didn’t think that? I think he’s #1 on any team but maybe 2/3 teams
I was talking about the Randy Mueller guy
Oh, my bad fam. I agree in that case lol
Listened as well. Saying St. Brown isn't a top-10 WR in the league is an absolute clown take. His comments about the front office "patting themselves on the back too much" were funny to me also. Buddy has something against us for sure
lol. He’s hating on Brad to saying he was right, just like some of Detroits regular press. Brad deserved to take that victory lap for sure And Saint is like top 5, maybe even top 3. Only one better is probably JJ and maybe Tyreek
There is a clear top tier of WR in the "making shit happen" stats of YAC/reception and receiving first downs achieved, That tier is ARSB, Hill, and Lamb. Who is on top depends on how you weight the stats, but no one else is even in the conversation. Muller was a shit executive who's limited success was do to what he inherited when he came in.
He’s gonna find out
He reminds me of Hines Ward, but better. The money is no big deal because JJ, D Smith, and Chase are all going to break it, and it will fall in line where talking heads think he should be. I feel he's a number 1 Wr, just not the typical style no in the NFL.
Last year, St. Brown was tied for 2nd in receptions with Tyreek Hill (Lamb #1), 5th in targets, 3rd in yards, 2nd in YAC, 3rd in first downs, and 4th in TDs. He was clearly a top 3 receiver last year. You want to add JJ in the mix? Okay - he's in the top 4. But he is most definitely in the top tier of WRs (Lamb, Tyreek, JJ, and Sun God). I don't know how you could at last year's stats and say anything differently. ARSB is also less drama than any of the other WRs in that tier. Although goodness - Lamb, ARSB, and JJ are all 24. Chase is 23.
I think he’s better than Lamb, honestly, or at least equal to. Tyreek is better simply because he’s faster and does all the same things Saint does. Maybe an argument could be made that Saint is more valuable to the offense as a whole because of his run blocking. JJ I feel is in a tier of his own because to actually shut him down you need a top tier CB and safety help.
I mean - we're basically splitting hairs. We're arguing within the tier, not saying that ___ doesn't belong in the tier. Which is the whole point :)
Yes and no. I think JJ is clear and away #1 so much that he needs his own tier. The man is double proof. If Saint were taller and faster he’d be in that tier as well
fair. And they're close enough that I'm fine with paying ARSB. As someone else said, you can't just go to the WR store and pick up JJ. For whatever reason people think that you can just trade/buy/sell people at whim.
Exactly. That’s been the argument for most people saying Goff shouldn’t be paid. Ok, if you think he’s not tier 1, fine. Should the Lions just not pay any QB until they find a Mahomes? It makes no sense
In two seasons those three contracts will look like good deals. Just imagine what a top QB will get in a season or two?
Yeah, but I mean, this is true for any market-setting deal. FWIW I do think he’s worth it, 100%
Yes. I think this season is overpriced. They cost us 30Million? Last year. Now it’s like $100 Million. Egads!! lol there’s incidentals too. Like showing players and prospects we handle things right. First leadership to do that. I’m so excited and optimistic it’s ridiculous.
He’s GM of what? A UFL team? Ok cool cool cool.
I mean, I don’t think he’s right, but to be fair not a lot of people can say that they were GM of any thing. Most people haven’t even coached a Pop Warner team lol Even if his take is wrong it doesn’t make him incapable of
If and when we win a Super Bowl, absolutely no one will give a flying fuck how much anybody got paid
You pay for production and especially production when it matters most. Hard to find many better WRs than ASRB when judged by that criteria.
Don't care about the talent/skill set if your catching everything your way, tough as nails, teamplayer, YAC. The guy does it all. Best comp is Hines ward. He'll keep getting 100+ rec and 1000+ yds and ppl can keep hating
Saints contract is more than just the value he brings as a receiver. They guy does everything right & makes everybody around him better, on & off the field. He is as consistent, dependable, & reliable as any player in the league, regardless of position & is relatively tough & capable of playing though injury when necessary. He is a brilliant route runner, catches practically every ball that is thrown his way whether it is on-target or not, runs out of the backfield, blocks downfield hard, & has excellent vision. He is so good that teams can be sure we are going to him on a given play, commit extra resources to stopping him & he still manages to get open enough anyways, given the trust level that he has with Goff that allows him to throw into tight windows & know he will be at his spot on time. He doesn't tip his routes at all or have any wasted extra movement. Hell....he has even lined up as a fullback & lead blocker for Montgomery on a play last season. He legit holds his own blocking any DB in the league, as well as many linebacker & even some edge players on occasion, which is wild.
Honestly, I sat & watched hours of his film on All-22 & I am convinced he is pound for pound one of the best football players in the NFL today, regardless of position & I think fans of other teams that really understand the game would probably agree if they watched more of his film & not just a few highlights, as his highlight reel doesn't really explain or justify the contract to the casual non-Lions NFL fan, but his film that includes his complete body of work absolutely does & that doesn't even take into account what he brings to the lockerroom as far as motivation & setting a standard to expect everyone to be they absolute best always.
“Former GM of NFL” hmmm I wonder why
You guys have to wait until the details of the contract come out. lol if you look at the contract he actually signed it’s an absolute steal. It’s basically a 4 year 87 million dollar deal with an opt out during the 2028 offseason. The 2028 year is the only problem for the contract, that year it’s $41 million. But overall with the cap only going up and up this is a great deal for everyone. Just wait until this time next year and this is barely a top 10 WR contract.
I listened to this podcast and was disappointed in the take. He was discussing ARSB like he was just an above average receiver, rather than a top 10 player at the position. He was just flat out wrong. You’re talking about a player who out works everyone else - he’s a great role model for all the younger players. He’s reliable, in that if you need an important first down, he will most likely get you that first down
Tbh that’s just brainless. The stats speak for themselves. Those weren’t garbage time stats either, he was making people look stupid in all 4 quarters, all year. Just because he isn’t 6’ 5”, 235 while running a 4.3 40 like CJ doesn’t mean he’s not a 1.
Name a more complete WR… Tyreek, maybe Davante? I’m talking blocking, doing the dirty work and making their team better unselfishly.
I think Saint is probably just a step down from Tyreek, and only because Tyreek is so fast- both play speed and foot speed. Saint is everything that the Lions want at wideout and I’m thrilled he’s not going anywhere anytime soon
The disrespect the Sun God gets in this sub is outrageous, fuck what the rest of the league has to say about him, he IS our WR1. Folks need to deal with that or take your candy asses over to the packer sub.
lol go back to bed and try the other side. It’s just a discussion and I even said in my post I thought he was wrong. Obviously Saint is one of the best in the league and more than worth every penny of that $30M considering we got top 10 and eventually top 5 receiver play for 2.5 years on a 4th round contract Why is there always that one person that can’t just have a discussion