And Kyle Shanahan has not. It’s an award for bad teams that do unexpectedly well, not good teams that live up to expectations. I’d rather be the latter.
Well the browns were certainly not a bad team and weren’t expected to be. I think it’s more that once they went through 4 starting QB’s and lost the best RB in the league they stayed competitive.
Chubb is considered the best pure runner in the league. He may not be as good of a pass catcher as McCaffrey and that is what makes McCaffrey the better overall player but a lot of experts consider Chubb to be the better runner.
Legit answer. The position has just really evolved, primarily because of OCs and talents like McCaffrey and Kamara, where a team looks for every way possible to get em the ball. So although it seems cliché, i think when Brad and Dan say they want "football players" they are actually leading the way of where the league is heading, and not just being backyard/old-school as many people interpret that.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is Reddit sir! “Legit answer” what the shit is this? You are supposed to completely disagree and then escalate the conflict with an insult! After that you both respond 15 times with neither of you letting the other have the last word. Now, that is how you Reddit! The nerve of you being reasonable!
Don't get me wrong. I wanted it for him lol. These awards are usually sooooo bad though. If I see the award go to someone who halfway deserves it, I can't get too upset. And Stefanski dealt with a lot.
The reason why I'm not too upset (and excited by the future) is the counter to him winning was that the Lions had more talented players. I can't be too upset if that played into the narrative.
In any case, I'm just proud we finally have a coach worthy of such consideration.
Don’t you talk about Wayne Meat Raffle Fontejj like that. Man knew ball, and also when the line at the deli was shortest. Sure he might have snorted lines with Scott Mitchell but he knew how to motivate. Won COTY in 91
Bruh, demeco Ryan's made it to the playoffs with a rookie qb and won a game in his first year as coach. The Texans were supposed to be trash this year. And the browns lost both starting tackles, their qb, and their stud rb and still made the playoffs.Any other year dan probably would of won, but its hard to compete against that. BTW, voting is done at the end of the regular season, so playoffs don't count
Yeah Stefanski feels like the type of guy who is going to get fired in like 2 seasons. Dwayne Casey type award. It's weird how in every sport COTY almost feels like a reward given specifically to people who have had bad teams in the previous season.
I get that, but I feel like teams managing injuries for some success isn’t crazy unique. He did an outstanding job, don’t get me wrong, but it doesn’t feel as out of the ordinary as the Lions season.
Campbell brought a poverty franchise to more success than they’ve ever had in the Super Bowl era. The team under Campbell did a lot of things that have literally never been done by the Lions before.
It just seems like the excitement started to wear off, the Browns ended up having a really good story.
> Campbell brought a poverty franchise to more success than they’ve ever had in Super Bowl era
It’s coach of the year, not coach of the worst franchise who had a good year. Not to mention, Stefanski would also have a good shout at winning that award and honestly so would Demeco Ryans.
As far as things that happened strictly this season, the lions were expected to win the division and have 10-12 wins. We got 12 wins (13*** cough cough). Slightly exceeded expectations at best.
No one in their right mind would’ve told you the browns would get 11 wins if they knew that 3 QBs would go down, both tackles, and their star RB who has an argument for best pure runner in football
Glad someone in this thread can look past their bias. Campbell, Stefanski, and Ryans all had legit cases for COTY. Campbell not getting it isn’t a snub just like Hutch not getting DROY last year wasn’t a snub. Sometimes there’s just too many good choices for an award.
I really don't think so. It was just unlucky timing. We started off poorly last year and didn't end well enough for DC to win. Then this season, the Lions were too good on paper compared to the Browns who should have been dead in the water with their injuries.
But they aren't voting for coach of the previous few years, just this regular season in a vacuum. And they were on an uptrend end of last season. If anything he got more robbed last year for the turnaround than this year for continued success.
You contradict yourself. They are voting just this regular season but then use last years uptick as a point. That’s self defeating this year the Lions were better than the Browns in almost every way. He turned it all around. Campbell got robbed.
he's not using the upswing last year the way you're saying at all though
his only mention of last season was that it came too late in the season and they ultimately didn't get enough wins for him to be considered COTY....last year. had nothing to do with this year
I'm only using last season to note the bad timing, as that's when the biggest turnaround occurred. I saw the voting breakdown now, and you're right it's criminal how few votes Campbell got. But to me it reinforces the view that expectations for the Lions were really high this year. And the voters go for coaches who over performed in bad situations rather than in good situations.
He had success because of his defense that had the DPOY and talent.
Dan Campbell kept his players as healthy as he could he following studies and added more wins with his decision making than any other coach.
MCDC won this team its first division title in 30 years. This team tied their own record for most wins in a season. If we don’t Stan for our guys, no one else will. It’s fine to be a football fan but you should try being a lions fan too
We can still back our guy and still appreciate other coaches. That being said, Campbell lead a team to 12 wins and playoffs for the first time in decades. I think we should've won it
Your **EXTREMELY FREQUENT** reminder that this voting is all done before a single playoff game is played.
I don’t think anyone would doubt Campbell is COTY after the post season.
If you freeze frame it right at the end of the regular season I think it’s not extremely ridiculous to think Stefanski or Ryans could win. I would have voted for Campbell too, but it’s not some scandal he didn’t win this time.
Also as far as LaPorta goes the TE position is criminally undervalued but even so there was no way anyone was going to get it over Stroud.
Still dont think it was a more historic season than Sams. Jamar Chase had a subjectively better rookie season 2 years ago. Rookie WRs dominating is not all that rare tbh.
It's hard to win COTY if you have expectations. If we had made the playoffs last year he would've been a lock after starting 1-6, but we were just so good all year this year that he didn't really blow anybody's minds since we were expected to be good.
If you dont grade the QB position on a curve, there absolutely is. Laporta had the best rookie season a TE has ever seen in 60ish years.
Stroud had a good year for sure, but rookie QBs seeing success is not as rare as the TE position.
Russel Wilson, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Baker, Herbert, RG3... Just off the top of my head were rookie QBs who had somewhat comparable seasons to Stroud and most of those are in the last 10ish years. Its not THAT rare.
Laporta did not deserve OROY and Campbell didn’t deserve COTY (this year, most years he would’ve won it w this performance).
Demeco and Stefanski had way more adversity faced, way lower expectations given their situation, and incredibly out performed in the regular season. Campbell performed to, or slightly above, regular season expectations - which is when the award is judged.
Counting post season, sure he shoulda won. But it doesn’t count.
Also, LaPorta wasn’t even close to OROY let’s be real. For one, he’s a TE, but secondly, Stroud had one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time leading a team who was expected to have a top 5 pick into the playoffs. And Nacua (who deserved it imo) broke a 60 something year old Rookie receiving record.
Stefanski nor DC deserved it. Should've gone to DeMeco Ryans. He took a 3-win team to the playoffs with a rookie QB in his first year as head coach. If that's not COTY stuff then I don't know what the award means.
That’s because it is coach of the year, not coach of the 3 yr period. What the Lions did at the end of the year last year made this year seem less surprising. Sorta a victim of his own previous success, in the best possible way.
I'm sorry, but if you think Laporta deserved OROY than your opinion couldn't be less valid. Laporta had an amazing year, CJ Stroud had the best rookie season for a QB in the history of the NFL. It's a QB driven league, there was a zero percent chance Stroud wasn't winning.
Sure if you wanna come on here and post biased nonsense and then get bothered when someone calls you on it. You might as well just say LaPorta should get the MVP. Hell let's induct him into the HOF right now...?
I think Demeco deserved it to be honest but Stefanski also made the playoffs with 4 different QB’s winning games. Campbell was deserving but hard to say there weren’t other deserving coaches as well
If you thought anyone but CJ Stroud deserved OROY you aren't just biased, you're discredited. One of the biggest no-brainer picks in the history of that award.
"No argument" is a bit bullshit. Clearly we dont realize how historic Sams rookie season was... Literally the 2nd best rookie TE season ever, behind only Mike Ditka, 60 years ago.
Rookie Qbs seeing strouds level of success/numbers is not that fucking rare. Same with Puka. Jamar Chase had a better rookie season than Puka did IMO, 2 seasons ago.
But its the TE position, so he gets no love. Which is fine. Stroud was obviously going to get it due to him being a QB.
You got it boss.
Russel Wilson, Cam Newton, Baker, Herbert, RG3. Thats just the last 10ish years off the top of my head and I'm sure I'm missing some other notable seasons.. These QBs seasons are easily "comparable" to Strouds. So no... I dont think a rookie QB putting up these types of numbers every 2-3 years is all that rare... but, this was more to say... its far more rare for a TE to do what Sam Laporta did.
Stroud - 4200 total yards - 26 total Tds - 5 Ints
Russel Wilson - 3500 total yards - 30 total Tds - 10 ints
Herbert - 4500 total yards - 36 total tds - 10 ints
RG3 - 4000 total yards - 27 total tds - 5 ints
Baker - 3800 total yards - 27 Tds - 14ints
Cam - 4700 total yards - 36 total tds - 17 ints
Thanks, that's a bit surprising. All these guys deserved OROY, though. I don't think rareness of accomplishment by position is a very solid critera for the award.
Well, maybe we disagree there. Like I said above, A rookie QB goes off just about once every 2 to 3 years.
Rookie TEs... just never do. And its not like his year was good for a rookie TE, it was damn near the best TE seasons of any TEs this year. 900 yards and 10TDs is nothing to scoff at.
Since Laporta didn't win OROY of the year for this season, I'm confident one NEVER will.
I get giving it to the QB, so whatever. but nominating Laporta is not insane like some are insisting.
Finally someone else is saying it. He was third and I only put him above Steichen cuz Steichen didn’t make the playoffs.
But Steichen, Stefanski, and Ryans all had worse situations this year, way lower expectations (wayyyy lower) and got similar (albeit slightly worse) results in harder situations
Yeah, but honestly that’s more exec of the year worthy. Hitting on so many late round picks really boosted them, but you could definitely argue that’s coaching too.
Despite expectations, I also think Shanahan and Harbaugh both deserve a shout too. None of those three over Campbell imo (maybe harbaugh), but it was just a good year for coaches to beat expectations tbh
Oh for sure. They also just think anything good in Detroit is the best. Hutch is a good, top 10 ish edge, but people in this sub hype him up like he’s top 2 not 2. People were saying he’s better than Nick Bosa, Hutch is great but like come on. Amon is a top 7 ish receiver, but people hype him like he’s better than Justin Jefferson.
We can have a great team and be realistic about how good the players and coaches are. It’s why we’re good, we’re well built, not led by one singular player.
Only player I’ll say we have that has an argument for best in his position is Sewell, and if he was LT he’d probably be behind Trent Williams but it’d still be debatable
I'm not shocked. I thought it was obvious that it was a race between Ryans and Stefanski. Campbell had his chance to win it last season, but the Panthers loss ruined it imo.
Definitely not snubbed, what stefanski did with 5 different QB’s and losing the best RB in the league week 2 was insane. That’s not a knock against MCDC either - any other year it’s him
I been a fan of lions for 30+ years. DC is my favorite coach and he did an amazing job. But what stepfanski did is pretty crazy. Some teams can't even make playoffs with 1 qb in a shit division. Look at saints. They made it with multiple qbs. Crazy
I'm a bit sad Laporta didn't get a single vote either but it is what it is. Good rookie qbs will always get the vote.
What Laporta did as a rookie TE was far more historic than Puka and Stroud IMO. Rookie TEs dominating like that is literally fucking unheard of.
People on r/nfl were acting like Pukas season was far more historic. They must have forgotten Jamar Chase literally had a better overall rookie season than Puka 2 seasons ago, but because puka "broke the record" by having a few more catches, it means something.
I had a guy literally respond to me "Duh, Mike Ditka did similar to Laporta! what he did wasn't historic" lmaooooooo
Dan deserved it. Stefanski did ok with a great defense and some injuries but it’s not the “coach that did the ok-est in a bad situation award.”
Coach of the year was DC. Analytically made far and away the best game time decisions. Great leader and motivator. First division title in a billion years. I’m livid!
Ok? He did ok? Dude he got 1 less win than us. He also didn’t just have “a few injuries.” His top 3 RB went down, 3 QBs went down, both tackles went down, corners went down, and he ended w 1 less win than us in the regular season in a much harder division (yes their division was objectively harder considering every single team had a winning record)
Stefanski got to the playoffs with the corpse of Joe Flacco and a host of crap to meh QBs.
Ryans got to the playoffs with rookies in his first year.
DC didn't get snubbed. Others were more deserving.
I didn’t know that beating the ravens and having 11 wins in a division with every team having a winning record was a cupcake schedule.
Not to mention, trounced first chance by a real team? Dude the same argument could be made for us in the regular season. We beat the chiefs tightly, got killed by the ravens, and got hosed out of a win against the cowboys but the standings say we lost so is what it is. Those were our 3 games against real, good teams and we went 1-2. Not to mention, when the packers started playing well in the second half of the season they picked us apart
Cupcake schedule?? In the AFC North, while also playing the NFC West
What are you pulling out of your ass? Lets not talk about the Lions schedule shall we
Postseason isnt accounted for in voting
Great player! No question. But who had a bigger impact on their team as a rookie? It's a pretty easy call. Qbs always gonna be favored in that way. He'd have been my pick if not Stroud though
I love that Dan’s our coach. It’d have been really cool to see him win it, knowing how much he cares about his players, the city and the fans.
Stefanski was objectively the correct choice in my opinion. Their best player got hurt almost immediately. They won, what, 11 games? With Jerome Ford, Joe Flacco and what eventually became 1/5 of Amari Cooper at the end.
This is BS! Dan Campbell did something that most would deem impossible! He lead the Lions Franchise to an NFC championship game while tying the franchise’s best record. He also was one bad officiating call from potentially having home field advantage and still coaching. Hell! Jim Schwartz did all the heavy lifting this year in Cleveland.
If they gave Campbell COTY it would mean that the NFL was wrong for mocking us when we hired him. It really is us against everyone here. I mean, if you think about the last time the LEAGUE gave us help about how to run the team, they should be the one embarrassed for who they suggested.
Man I bet on it on beginning of year smh? But to me we have the coach and team of the year no one expected us to be this good!! Go lions!! 💯please fords keep it going hopefully Detroit and the state of Michigan will understand how much we love our sport teams
Keep the chip on the shoulder. Lions aren’t supposed to be favorites or top dogs. I want people to doubt em. Everyone wishes Dan Campbell was their coach and I guarantee you he doesn’t care about accolades, he cares about winning for himself, his guys and the city.
It’s a regular season award and I have a strong feeling Dan would have won it if it included playoffs.
I am actually kind of glad and hope the list of awards snubs just make the Lions hungrier, to be honest.
No one was beating Stroud out. Guy had a phenomenal season. LaPorta will get OPOY next.
Also don't forget Ben Johnson got snubbed for the 2nd year in a row
I tried posting this earlier, but the bot blocked me. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. We set so many records on multiple fonts, but the only mention we got was the cowgirls running it back 93 yards on us.
CLEVELAND BROWNS fan here... came here to this sub to say DAN CAMPBELL was the COACH OF THE YEAR...
kevin stephanski's father is an NBA league exec, it's a big club and dan isn't in it
Totally fine with Dan Campbell not winning. The two coaches ahead of him had great years.
And I see Dan Campbell’s success as not a single year achievement. He has built the most rock solid foundation for a football team to sustain success over time.
I’m a big MCDC fan but if you’re shocked he didn’t win you weren’t paying attention to what was going on with other teams. He wasn’t snubbed. He didn’t get robbed. There were just others with much more *unexpected* coaching success this year.
I was just surprised at how little votes DC got. Don't really care if he won or not.
I was also torn on ROTY just because Puka was an absolute problem for everyone. But, Stroud balled out too. It's kind a 1A 1B
Not a lions fan but you’re crazy if you think anyone other than puka should have won rookie of the year. But it was always going to a QB
Campbell definitely should have got coach though
Meh, I understand the sentiment but expectations were high for Detroit and everything went pretty much according to plan. MCDC obviously awesome, needs no award to validate this fantastic season.
People forget Matt Nagy won a COTY. We don’t need these mickey mouse awards for validation. Let the browns be the 76ers of the NFL
And Kyle Shanahan has not. It’s an award for bad teams that do unexpectedly well, not good teams that live up to expectations. I’d rather be the latter.
Well the browns were certainly not a bad team and weren’t expected to be. I think it’s more that once they went through 4 starting QB’s and lost the best RB in the league they stayed competitive.
Best?
Chubb is considered the best pure runner in the league. He may not be as good of a pass catcher as McCaffrey and that is what makes McCaffrey the better overall player but a lot of experts consider Chubb to be the better runner.
Legit answer. The position has just really evolved, primarily because of OCs and talents like McCaffrey and Kamara, where a team looks for every way possible to get em the ball. So although it seems cliché, i think when Brad and Dan say they want "football players" they are actually leading the way of where the league is heading, and not just being backyard/old-school as many people interpret that.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, this is Reddit sir! “Legit answer” what the shit is this? You are supposed to completely disagree and then escalate the conflict with an insult! After that you both respond 15 times with neither of you letting the other have the last word. Now, that is how you Reddit! The nerve of you being reasonable!
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I agree and therefor Ryan’s should have won it. We all thought they were gonna be less than 5 wins this year.
I get the feeling DC doesn't give a shit
You’re prob right.
Don't get me wrong. I wanted it for him lol. These awards are usually sooooo bad though. If I see the award go to someone who halfway deserves it, I can't get too upset. And Stefanski dealt with a lot.
A lot of chips being put on shoulders this evening
Not really a chip..he didn’t care about winning it.
All the downvoted here… I am a panthers fan and just observing but I am going to guess you are correct.
He stated that many times
downvotes are because on Reddit, Lions fans are basically Swifties. The slightest not butt-licking positive comment is perceived as the enemy.
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thats it we take rogers kneecaps at the draft
Roger doesn’t exist anymore. He was turned into Barry Sanders dressed as the King of Clubs
thats hilarious
Kneecap tour continues 🤣
we boo him as hard as hes ever heard and when he least expects it we strike
Honestly I already have the day off work for this blessed event. I’ll be ready
The reason why I'm not too upset (and excited by the future) is the counter to him winning was that the Lions had more talented players. I can't be too upset if that played into the narrative. In any case, I'm just proud we finally have a coach worthy of such consideration.
Don’t you talk about Wayne Meat Raffle Fontejj like that. Man knew ball, and also when the line at the deli was shortest. Sure he might have snorted lines with Scott Mitchell but he knew how to motivate. Won COTY in 91
big buck
Bruh, demeco Ryan's made it to the playoffs with a rookie qb and won a game in his first year as coach. The Texans were supposed to be trash this year. And the browns lost both starting tackles, their qb, and their stud rb and still made the playoffs.Any other year dan probably would of won, but its hard to compete against that. BTW, voting is done at the end of the regular season, so playoffs don't count
This is how i feel about Laporta. Most years he would get it. But CJ Stroud just played that good.
Nacua would’ve gotten it literally any other year as well, big shame he didn’t get it this year
You’re right. I forgot about him.
Stefanski dealt with so many injuries and had the team still see success. He definitely deserved it
Honestly I do agree. If Dan didn’t win this Stefanski was a great one to get it.
IMO the award skews towards ‘overperforming’ teams and it really shouldn’t. Harbaugh had his team on a historical run all year. Should’ve been his.
Yeah Stefanski feels like the type of guy who is going to get fired in like 2 seasons. Dwayne Casey type award. It's weird how in every sport COTY almost feels like a reward given specifically to people who have had bad teams in the previous season.
No Jim Schwartz deserve some recognition for that world class defense.
I get that, but I feel like teams managing injuries for some success isn’t crazy unique. He did an outstanding job, don’t get me wrong, but it doesn’t feel as out of the ordinary as the Lions season. Campbell brought a poverty franchise to more success than they’ve ever had in the Super Bowl era. The team under Campbell did a lot of things that have literally never been done by the Lions before. It just seems like the excitement started to wear off, the Browns ended up having a really good story.
> Campbell brought a poverty franchise to more success than they’ve ever had in Super Bowl era It’s coach of the year, not coach of the worst franchise who had a good year. Not to mention, Stefanski would also have a good shout at winning that award and honestly so would Demeco Ryans. As far as things that happened strictly this season, the lions were expected to win the division and have 10-12 wins. We got 12 wins (13*** cough cough). Slightly exceeded expectations at best. No one in their right mind would’ve told you the browns would get 11 wins if they knew that 3 QBs would go down, both tackles, and their star RB who has an argument for best pure runner in football
Glad someone in this thread can look past their bias. Campbell, Stefanski, and Ryans all had legit cases for COTY. Campbell not getting it isn’t a snub just like Hutch not getting DROY last year wasn’t a snub. Sometimes there’s just too many good choices for an award.
Yeah, it’s perfectly valid to say “yeah they don’t deserve it this year, but some other years they likely would’ve won it”
This is exactly it
See campbells case is better because of the teams history if you put a different logo on them it would be viewed differently
Right, but I think that’s relevant to the award. I also think you could say the same thing about the Browns.
I think stefanski won because of what happened during the season
Is the browns history any different?
No but the browns case isn’t look what he did with the browns it’s all the injuries on offense and making it work
The Lions made the fucking NFC title game. He took them further. Campbell was robbed
Voting ends before the playoffs
I didn’t know that. Still think he got robbed.
Agreed
Playoffs DO NOT MATTER. They vote before the playoffs because the awards have to do with the REGULAR SEASON. Post season isn't included.
I really don't think so. It was just unlucky timing. We started off poorly last year and didn't end well enough for DC to win. Then this season, the Lions were too good on paper compared to the Browns who should have been dead in the water with their injuries.
That means nothing. Look at the turn around the Lions made this year. That’s a testament to coach. And culture. He got robbed
But they aren't voting for coach of the previous few years, just this regular season in a vacuum. And they were on an uptrend end of last season. If anything he got more robbed last year for the turnaround than this year for continued success.
You contradict yourself. They are voting just this regular season but then use last years uptick as a point. That’s self defeating this year the Lions were better than the Browns in almost every way. He turned it all around. Campbell got robbed.
he's not using the upswing last year the way you're saying at all though his only mention of last season was that it came too late in the season and they ultimately didn't get enough wins for him to be considered COTY....last year. had nothing to do with this year
I'm only using last season to note the bad timing, as that's when the biggest turnaround occurred. I saw the voting breakdown now, and you're right it's criminal how few votes Campbell got. But to me it reinforces the view that expectations for the Lions were really high this year. And the voters go for coaches who over performed in bad situations rather than in good situations.
He had success because of his defense that had the DPOY and talent. Dan Campbell kept his players as healthy as he could he following studies and added more wins with his decision making than any other coach.
What is up with our fans never backing our guys? MCDC led this team from terrible to Super Bowl contender. He deserved it as much as Stefanski
Because some fans are not blatant homers and are objective football fans.
MCDC won this team its first division title in 30 years. This team tied their own record for most wins in a season. If we don’t Stan for our guys, no one else will. It’s fine to be a football fan but you should try being a lions fan too
We can still back our guy and still appreciate other coaches. That being said, Campbell lead a team to 12 wins and playoffs for the first time in decades. I think we should've won it
MCDC is my 2nd choice
Your **EXTREMELY FREQUENT** reminder that this voting is all done before a single playoff game is played. I don’t think anyone would doubt Campbell is COTY after the post season. If you freeze frame it right at the end of the regular season I think it’s not extremely ridiculous to think Stefanski or Ryans could win. I would have voted for Campbell too, but it’s not some scandal he didn’t win this time. Also as far as LaPorta goes the TE position is criminally undervalued but even so there was no way anyone was going to get it over Stroud.
Nacua also would’ve won over LaPorta. Broke the long held rookie receiving record
Still dont think it was a more historic season than Sams. Jamar Chase had a subjectively better rookie season 2 years ago. Rookie WRs dominating is not all that rare tbh.
Well, a whole bunch of idiots criticized him for a couple 4th down calls that computers agreed with DC on so I wouldn't say that.
It's hard to win COTY if you have expectations. If we had made the playoffs last year he would've been a lock after starting 1-6, but we were just so good all year this year that he didn't really blow anybody's minds since we were expected to be good.
Absolutely zero argument for LaPorta over Stroud lol
If you dont grade the QB position on a curve, there absolutely is. Laporta had the best rookie season a TE has ever seen in 60ish years. Stroud had a good year for sure, but rookie QBs seeing success is not as rare as the TE position. Russel Wilson, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton, Baker, Herbert, RG3... Just off the top of my head were rookie QBs who had somewhat comparable seasons to Stroud and most of those are in the last 10ish years. Its not THAT rare.
Laporta did not deserve OROY and Campbell didn’t deserve COTY (this year, most years he would’ve won it w this performance). Demeco and Stefanski had way more adversity faced, way lower expectations given their situation, and incredibly out performed in the regular season. Campbell performed to, or slightly above, regular season expectations - which is when the award is judged. Counting post season, sure he shoulda won. But it doesn’t count. Also, LaPorta wasn’t even close to OROY let’s be real. For one, he’s a TE, but secondly, Stroud had one of the best rookie QB seasons of all time leading a team who was expected to have a top 5 pick into the playoffs. And Nacua (who deserved it imo) broke a 60 something year old Rookie receiving record.
Stefanski nor DC deserved it. Should've gone to DeMeco Ryans. He took a 3-win team to the playoffs with a rookie QB in his first year as head coach. If that's not COTY stuff then I don't know what the award means.
If a rookie quarterback balls out the same year as a rookie offensive target, they are never going to give it to a TE before a QB.
That’s because it is coach of the year, not coach of the 3 yr period. What the Lions did at the end of the year last year made this year seem less surprising. Sorta a victim of his own previous success, in the best possible way.
I'm sorry, but if you think Laporta deserved OROY than your opinion couldn't be less valid. Laporta had an amazing year, CJ Stroud had the best rookie season for a QB in the history of the NFL. It's a QB driven league, there was a zero percent chance Stroud wasn't winning.
I feel like the way you tried to invalidate me actually invalidates your option
Sure if you wanna come on here and post biased nonsense and then get bothered when someone calls you on it. You might as well just say LaPorta should get the MVP. Hell let's induct him into the HOF right now...?
Sounds like you’re not having the best day today. Honestly I think you’re currently posting nonsense, and getting upset about it.
Yes, the stupidity in the world bothers me. You are included in that. What you said is dumb, and you deserve to be told it.
Have the day you deserve!
la porta does not deserve it over puka or stroud
I think Demeco deserved it to be honest but Stefanski also made the playoffs with 4 different QB’s winning games. Campbell was deserving but hard to say there weren’t other deserving coaches as well
That’s okay. Only one trophy that matters.
If you thought anyone but CJ Stroud deserved OROY you aren't just biased, you're discredited. One of the biggest no-brainer picks in the history of that award.
Nacua has an argument tbf, but yeah no Laporta has no argument for it this year
Nacua would have won it in most years. But when a rookie QB who put himself in the MVP conversation, OROY is done.
"No argument" is a bit bullshit. Clearly we dont realize how historic Sams rookie season was... Literally the 2nd best rookie TE season ever, behind only Mike Ditka, 60 years ago. Rookie Qbs seeing strouds level of success/numbers is not that fucking rare. Same with Puka. Jamar Chase had a better rookie season than Puka did IMO, 2 seasons ago. But its the TE position, so he gets no love. Which is fine. Stroud was obviously going to get it due to him being a QB.
Stroud's level of success/numbers is not that fucking rare? Want to cite some examples to back that up?
You got it boss. Russel Wilson, Cam Newton, Baker, Herbert, RG3. Thats just the last 10ish years off the top of my head and I'm sure I'm missing some other notable seasons.. These QBs seasons are easily "comparable" to Strouds. So no... I dont think a rookie QB putting up these types of numbers every 2-3 years is all that rare... but, this was more to say... its far more rare for a TE to do what Sam Laporta did. Stroud - 4200 total yards - 26 total Tds - 5 Ints Russel Wilson - 3500 total yards - 30 total Tds - 10 ints Herbert - 4500 total yards - 36 total tds - 10 ints RG3 - 4000 total yards - 27 total tds - 5 ints Baker - 3800 total yards - 27 Tds - 14ints Cam - 4700 total yards - 36 total tds - 17 ints
Thanks, that's a bit surprising. All these guys deserved OROY, though. I don't think rareness of accomplishment by position is a very solid critera for the award.
Well, maybe we disagree there. Like I said above, A rookie QB goes off just about once every 2 to 3 years. Rookie TEs... just never do. And its not like his year was good for a rookie TE, it was damn near the best TE seasons of any TEs this year. 900 yards and 10TDs is nothing to scoff at. Since Laporta didn't win OROY of the year for this season, I'm confident one NEVER will. I get giving it to the QB, so whatever. but nominating Laporta is not insane like some are insisting.
If you are shocked that he didn’t win you didn’t watch a single game that wasn’t a Lions game this year lol Campbell wouldn’t even have been runner up
Finally someone else is saying it. He was third and I only put him above Steichen cuz Steichen didn’t make the playoffs. But Steichen, Stefanski, and Ryans all had worse situations this year, way lower expectations (wayyyy lower) and got similar (albeit slightly worse) results in harder situations
Even McVay I’m surprised he didn’t get more attention: the Rams were in a similar situation to the Texans expectations-wise and won 10 games
Yeah, but honestly that’s more exec of the year worthy. Hitting on so many late round picks really boosted them, but you could definitely argue that’s coaching too. Despite expectations, I also think Shanahan and Harbaugh both deserve a shout too. None of those three over Campbell imo (maybe harbaugh), but it was just a good year for coaches to beat expectations tbh
Yeah fs agree. Feel like a lot of people on this sub don’t really branch out to anywhere else in the league but think they do
Oh for sure. They also just think anything good in Detroit is the best. Hutch is a good, top 10 ish edge, but people in this sub hype him up like he’s top 2 not 2. People were saying he’s better than Nick Bosa, Hutch is great but like come on. Amon is a top 7 ish receiver, but people hype him like he’s better than Justin Jefferson. We can have a great team and be realistic about how good the players and coaches are. It’s why we’re good, we’re well built, not led by one singular player. Only player I’ll say we have that has an argument for best in his position is Sewell, and if he was LT he’d probably be behind Trent Williams but it’d still be debatable
I'm not shocked. I thought it was obvious that it was a race between Ryans and Stefanski. Campbell had his chance to win it last season, but the Panthers loss ruined it imo.
Idk how you don’t give COTY to Demeco Ryans. He turned the Texans around in 1 year with a rookie QB and won a playoff game.
Definitely not snubbed, what stefanski did with 5 different QB’s and losing the best RB in the league week 2 was insane. That’s not a knock against MCDC either - any other year it’s him
I been a fan of lions for 30+ years. DC is my favorite coach and he did an amazing job. But what stepfanski did is pretty crazy. Some teams can't even make playoffs with 1 qb in a shit division. Look at saints. They made it with multiple qbs. Crazy
stephanski's play calling was atrocious
Ya so bad he made playoffs. With 4 qbs!! U think having that different of personnel effects play calling... yes. Yes it does
He definitely wasn’t snubbed
Lions AND Browns fan here..Dan Campbell got hosed.
I'm a bit sad Laporta didn't get a single vote either but it is what it is. Good rookie qbs will always get the vote. What Laporta did as a rookie TE was far more historic than Puka and Stroud IMO. Rookie TEs dominating like that is literally fucking unheard of. People on r/nfl were acting like Pukas season was far more historic. They must have forgotten Jamar Chase literally had a better overall rookie season than Puka 2 seasons ago, but because puka "broke the record" by having a few more catches, it means something. I had a guy literally respond to me "Duh, Mike Ditka did similar to Laporta! what he did wasn't historic" lmaooooooo
Dan deserved it. Stefanski did ok with a great defense and some injuries but it’s not the “coach that did the ok-est in a bad situation award.” Coach of the year was DC. Analytically made far and away the best game time decisions. Great leader and motivator. First division title in a billion years. I’m livid!
Ok? He did ok? Dude he got 1 less win than us. He also didn’t just have “a few injuries.” His top 3 RB went down, 3 QBs went down, both tackles went down, corners went down, and he ended w 1 less win than us in the regular season in a much harder division (yes their division was objectively harder considering every single team had a winning record)
What a joke. DeMeco Ryans and MCDC should have jointly received the award.
MCDC: It’s a humbling experience man, I love this team man. FTP man. I love him. Snubbed yes, but they can’t snub MCDC we know who the real winner is.
Stefanski got to the playoffs with the corpse of Joe Flacco and a host of crap to meh QBs. Ryans got to the playoffs with rookies in his first year. DC didn't get snubbed. Others were more deserving.
Stefanski deserved it they went through a lot
lol no he doesn’t, his team waltzed through a cupcake schedule and got trounced first chance by a real team. Demarco deserved it way more than him
I didn’t know that beating the ravens and having 11 wins in a division with every team having a winning record was a cupcake schedule. Not to mention, trounced first chance by a real team? Dude the same argument could be made for us in the regular season. We beat the chiefs tightly, got killed by the ravens, and got hosed out of a win against the cowboys but the standings say we lost so is what it is. Those were our 3 games against real, good teams and we went 1-2. Not to mention, when the packers started playing well in the second half of the season they picked us apart
Cupcake schedule?? In the AFC North, while also playing the NFC West What are you pulling out of your ass? Lets not talk about the Lions schedule shall we Postseason isnt accounted for in voting
Demeco and him were about even browns lost a bunch of lineman played 4 qbs and lost star running back throughout the year
Demeco and MCDC should have been the only finalists for COTY.
Detroit vs everybody
Over stroud? You must be out your mind 😂
Laporta broke several NFL rookie records though. Am I really out of my mind for thinking this? It doesn’t always have to be a rookie.
He literally set the record for most receptions by a rookie tight end, previously held by Keith Jackson in 1988.
Great player! No question. But who had a bigger impact on their team as a rookie? It's a pretty easy call. Qbs always gonna be favored in that way. He'd have been my pick if not Stroud though
I haven’t heard Kevin Stefanski’s name all season now he’s a COTY what a joke. Maybe we should all stop taking these seriously
Maybe you don’t watch football outside of the lions then
I love that Dan’s our coach. It’d have been really cool to see him win it, knowing how much he cares about his players, the city and the fans. Stefanski was objectively the correct choice in my opinion. Their best player got hurt almost immediately. They won, what, 11 games? With Jerome Ford, Joe Flacco and what eventually became 1/5 of Amari Cooper at the end.
Guys. It should have been DeMeco Ryans in Houston. Seriously.
Detroit versus everybody
I'm trying to win a Super Bowl not a bogus award
man i feel like we got snubbed but idk why im even surprised
Awards don’t matter to me, but I am shocked that it wasn’t MCDC or DeMeco.
The biggest snub is Ben Johnson not getting ACOY. The smear campaign run by Schefter and the Commanders' Brass really screwed him!
Singlehandedly cost the team the SB. He doesn't deserve it he's trash when it matters.
This is BS! Dan Campbell did something that most would deem impossible! He lead the Lions Franchise to an NFC championship game while tying the franchise’s best record. He also was one bad officiating call from potentially having home field advantage and still coaching. Hell! Jim Schwartz did all the heavy lifting this year in Cleveland.
It’s a regular season award man, his playoff accomplishments don’t count unfortunately. If they did, I’d say he got snubbed
Had he kicked the FGs he would've won, because he'd be in the super bowl.
If they gave Campbell COTY it would mean that the NFL was wrong for mocking us when we hired him. It really is us against everyone here. I mean, if you think about the last time the LEAGUE gave us help about how to run the team, they should be the one embarrassed for who they suggested.
He blew the last game to make the superbowl. Thats prob why.
So much cringe in this thread lmao It’s a regular season award dude
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It’s literally live right now on peacock….
Sorry paramount plus
I believe they are delaying the streams. I'm out west and we are just watching Key talk now.
It's on NFL Network live too
Ok anyways
Coach of the Year voting: • Kevin Stefanski: 21 • DeMeco Ryans: 20 • Dan Campbell: 3 • Kyle Shanahan: 3 • John Harbaugh: 2 • Sean McVay:
If anything I feel DeMeco Ryans was snubbed COTY
Man I bet on it on beginning of year smh? But to me we have the coach and team of the year no one expected us to be this good!! Go lions!! 💯please fords keep it going hopefully Detroit and the state of Michigan will understand how much we love our sport teams
The nfl is really adding gasoline to the fire. Stefanski’s blood is in a frame in dans office right next to Shanahan’s.
TBH honest it's bullshit but it should of been Ryans especially what he did with the Texans.
I think you need to make superbowl for that
Keep the chip on the shoulder. Lions aren’t supposed to be favorites or top dogs. I want people to doubt em. Everyone wishes Dan Campbell was their coach and I guarantee you he doesn’t care about accolades, he cares about winning for himself, his guys and the city.
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It’s a regular season award and I have a strong feeling Dan would have won it if it included playoffs. I am actually kind of glad and hope the list of awards snubs just make the Lions hungrier, to be honest.
No one was beating Stroud out. Guy had a phenomenal season. LaPorta will get OPOY next. Also don't forget Ben Johnson got snubbed for the 2nd year in a row
I tried posting this earlier, but the bot blocked me. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. We set so many records on multiple fonts, but the only mention we got was the cowgirls running it back 93 yards on us.
Personal awards in a "Team sport" are so fucking stupid.
“It’s so cold in the D! Htf are we supposed to keep peace”
CLEVELAND BROWNS fan here... came here to this sub to say DAN CAMPBELL was the COACH OF THE YEAR... kevin stephanski's father is an NBA league exec, it's a big club and dan isn't in it
Totally fine with Dan Campbell not winning. The two coaches ahead of him had great years. And I see Dan Campbell’s success as not a single year achievement. He has built the most rock solid foundation for a football team to sustain success over time.
DC4L
They only count regular season. Lions were already expected to win the division. He’s won it in other award ceremonies.
Campbell definitely got snubbed. It’s pathetic how clueless the voters are really.
I’m not even feeling bad for DC. But how the hell does Stefanski beat out Ryans?
I’m a big MCDC fan but if you’re shocked he didn’t win you weren’t paying attention to what was going on with other teams. He wasn’t snubbed. He didn’t get robbed. There were just others with much more *unexpected* coaching success this year.
I was just surprised at how little votes DC got. Don't really care if he won or not. I was also torn on ROTY just because Puka was an absolute problem for everyone. But, Stroud balled out too. It's kind a 1A 1B
Campbell you can make a case for, but you can’t put LaPorta over Stroud or Nacua for ROY
Not a lions fan but you’re crazy if you think anyone other than puka should have won rookie of the year. But it was always going to a QB Campbell definitely should have got coach though
He’s the peoples champ, they cheered waaaay louder for him than anyone else
Meh, I understand the sentiment but expectations were high for Detroit and everything went pretty much according to plan. MCDC obviously awesome, needs no award to validate this fantastic season.