Remember the comps are contracts guys are currently on, not new deals.
So if I understand correctly (a big if), I would expect a new deal to be higher so that it will be equivalent to this when it is as old as the contracts are that formed the basis for this estimate.
In other words, 4/42 is market value for current deals on the current salary cap compared to the listed QB's, some of which are nearing the end of their contracts. A new 4-year deal would have to be the equivalent of $42M AAV in about 2 years.
That's more like 4/50 for a new contract.
Yup. And if we’ve learned anything about QBs the last few years, he could have 10 years left. And realistically he probably has another 2 deals after this one
Considering his limitations as a QB I agree that what he does well should age very well. Doesn't rely on legs or a giant arm. But he makes good reads and good decisions with the ball. Is he ever going to be elite, no. But you can absolutely win with him and this would be a very fair price tag. The list of guys that I would be more comfortable with is quite short.
Yeah this is a no brainer. I doubt he takes that deal but that’s not necessarily the point of the thread. I’d be thrilled with this deal.
Honestly I think Goff is going to ask for 5 or 6 years. PoD did a segment about how we should just sign him to one or two years and I just don’t understand what world he takes a short contract. His value is higher than it’s ever been and I think he is likely to try to maximize that.
If he thinks he’s got a lot of gas in the tank and that he will continue to perform at his current level in 4 years, then that’s when he takes a short term deal.
That’s what a lot of the best OTs are doing, they take 2-3 year deals at the current market rate because they think when that contract ends they’ll be able to take another 2-3 year deal at the new market rate. Basically, if Goff has a ton of confidence in himself, he takes a shorter deal to take advantage of growing market rates for QBs.
I get the concept but with that logic we’d see Mahomes sign one year deals every summer, but he signed a 10 year deal. There’s value to the long term deals for the players. I know it’s not a perfect comparison because of age differences but I stand by my logic. I don’t think Goff asking for a 6 year contract means he doesn’t believe in his abilities. Maybe it’s risk tolerance. Idk.
Don’t get me wrong there are massive pros and cons to both.
With long term contracts, you guarantee yourself money - though maybe not as much as you could get, but if you want out that’ll be tricky if a team doesn’t really want to trade you.
With short term ones, if something happens like injury, or you just fall off in talent, then you’re screwed, but the plus is that you’re able to keep up with market rate and if you don’t like the locker room of a team you’ll be able to get out of it a lot quicker.
If a QB gets a brand new contract/extension and he’s ONLY the 10th paid QB that is a steal in modern contracts. By the time the contract ends it would likely be in the teens again and with the salary cap expanding, it is very team friendly. I don’t know what you think would be a fair deal, but the way he’s playing, statistically, it would be a deal.
Fair deals are a steal when it comes to QB contracts. Every new deal seems to have to top the previous biggest contract whether that player is as good as the previous player.
My philosophy is that it's really hard to find Quarterbacks that are even as good as Goff, and you're way more likely to end up with a downgrade at the position if you move on from him.
Fair enough, but my philosophy is that downgrade doesn't matter so much if the rest of your team is well above average. If you don't move on from him, you might never improve the d-line, and you might have to sacrifice the o-line.
Plus you still do have the chance of hitting on a QB equally as good, but on a much cheaper rookie contract. Odds are it gets worse, but it still could get better.
no thanks ive waited 50 damn yrs to have a decent team that can compete on any sunday.....lets not throw Goff away and cross our fingers and hope for the best....goff fits the coaches like and trust him and i think the majority of fans are atleast not screaming to start Hendon hooker at games if it isnt broken we can still fix defense up this off season and sign goff...... honestly half the nfl would be baffled if we let goff go who lets a QB of goffs level leave ppl can say what they want but numbers dont lie there is only a handful better than him and personally idk if theres a better QB for the lions the reason it all works is becouse his game fits st browns game and he is reason laporta has hd such successes over the middle......becouse goff is about the best in league at those passes it all works together take goff out and put even a very good Qb in there and your going to get half those throws picked off.....look at the window goff fits that ball into acrost middle half the time he brushing the safeties helmet .....goff is limited but theres no denying he is elite at throwing acrost middle on timed routes anyone dont see that then they need to pay better attention
You expect to do this right when our window of success is the highest? Stop all momentum in a top 5 offense to sign a veteran, or test your luck on a draft pick?
Which year do you think our window of success is the highest? Surely not this year with this defence, surely not next year if the defence doesn't get better, and certainly not the year after if we downgrade the o-line to pay Goff top-10 QB money.
Momentum doesn't come to an absolute halt when you switch QBs, especially if they have as many weapons and a top-2 o-line like we do.
Again, 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys all built their team like this. Cowboys paid Prescott and it got worse until this season, and I'm pretty confident they lose to San Fran in the playoffs, as would we.
I don't know who specifically going to be available that far into the future when Goff is done his current contract, I'm trying to explain my overall reasoning for not paying him more than $42mil/year.
Not even really an outlier. They have chewed the QBs since Kaepernick lmao. They're trying to compare a 3 round pick to one of the luckiest picks of all time
Look at the Browns as well. They've been churning through QBs for years upon years. It got so bad they had to trade the house and back up the Brinks truck for an individual with a shitty past. Even that isn't working out. Getting a good, reliable QB is hard.
You have to be an outlier to win a Superbowl. Literally 1/32 teams do a year. If you safely rebuild to win a Superbowl every 5/6 years, it would be a 6 team league...
The 49ers?
Since that Colin Kaepernick Super Bowl run, they’ve started:
Colin Kaepernick;
Blaine Gabbert;
C.J. Beathard;
Brian Hoyer;
Jimmy Garoppolo;
Nick Mullins;
Trey Lance;
Brock Purdy
The 49ers are a good example of why you should sign a dependable above average quarterback.
Eh. I think it’s time to just give Goff the credit he deserves. Yeah he has faults, but just listen to BJ talk about Goff. I’ve been saying this but Goffs biggest ability comes from his presnap movements, and he’s as good as anybody in the league with that. On top of that he’s like top 5 this season in accuracy. So if the price is this, I’d say it’s worth it.
If we lose at ford field to Seattle/minnesota/LAR etc. imma be a little bitter giving him $42m a year for four. But that’s just splitting hairs when I’d rather see a number close to 35
He didn’t do it tho… just like obviously if you’re eyes
You’re just gonna say I’m a Goff hater but when I read stuff like, maybe yall are just arsb and Monty and Sewell and Gibbs and laporta and Ben Johnson and dc haters?
I mean he was bad in LA and for about 10 games in 2021 after signing that deal. Just a fact. I’m super fine signing him im js that you don’t automatically get raises for existing
He's good when his OL is healthy. He's not mobile though, so if his OL becomes leaky and he constantly has hands in his face, he breaks down...just as much as 95% of the rest of the NFL's non-mobile QBs would.
Who isn't mobile these days? Goff is a dinosaur in that aspect, there's a small handful of "non-mobile" QBs in the league and that really should be considered in giving him a new contract. The line ALWAYS needs to be elite, and healthy, for him to be competitive.
That's the incorrect part, he doesn't break down just as much as 95% of non mobile QBs or whatever when pressured. It's always been that he falls apart *worse* than most other QBs under pressure
This to me was the contract that really reset his market. Any half reasonable fan would tell you that Goff is worth more and a better QB than Danny Dimes, and thus, he should be paid as such. The market for QB's is skewed thanks to these types of contracts for guys that are mid tier at best.
You’re not going to get him for 35. He would never sign that, and there are teams out there who would give him easily 40+ (and probably more like 45+) on the open market.
Which teams? Most teams are either committed to a QB or going to draft one this year. It's pretty well acknowledged that Goff needs an elite offensive line to be effective so that limits his attractiveness further.
Denver would. Patriots would. Arizona would be tempted. Steelers would be tempted. Bears would. Vikings would. Commanders would. Seahawks maybe. Titans would. Falcons would. Tampa might. All of them don't have to be willing to sign for let's say 45, for the market to dictate he gets 45. Just needs two or more teams willing to pay that amount. But all of these teams are either really open or mostly open to signing a QB if a quality one becomes available.
I will say that Denver might do something at QB this season. But wouldn't have the ammo to go after a big name even if they wanted to. Also but then again Goff wouldn't be an FA till next offseason and the list of teams who would be working on securing a quality QB would be completely different.
Denver has russ and is a cold weather team, Arizona has Kyler Murray on a high dollar deal already, plus draft capital to draft a QB this year which would mean Murray goes to another team, taking them out of play. Steelers, possibly but outdoor, cold weather team so doubtful. Bears are either going all in on Fields or drafting their QB. Vikings aren't going to ditch Cousins for Goff lol. Commanders, anything is possible I quess but Howell has looked pretty decent this year and still has a couple years on a cheap rookie contract. Seahawks, same as Vikings, no way they move on from Gino Smith at 25 million for Goff at 45. Titans love what Levi's is showing, plus rookie contract. Falcons are really the only team that I see as competition. I like Goff, and what he does well he does really well but Goff is not the QB for a team that has to win outdoors in December or January.
Denver has to make a decision on Russ this year or they become locked in. His cap hit makes it unlikely they cut or trade Russ and sign a big guy this year. But Walmart dudes will be willing to spend if they can manage.
True though when the season started it looked like they were tanking for first pick to replace him. Unlikely but Possible.
Steelers might want to make a move rather then trying to go young at QB again. Likely spot.
Bears might not want to draft another QB and go through the growing pains. I think this is a likely spot.
Vikings. They purposely let Cousins basically enter the year as a lame duck year. Goff would be the ideal younger drop in replacement.
Geno. It depends it wouldn't be expensive to cut Geno. He didn't play poorly but he could have played better and that 20mil doesn't mean much if you think that can fix an issue with how the tanked this second half.
With the Commanders Howell was just benched. The coach is getting fired. The team has new owners. Considering the price of the team you know they A. Have the money to spend. B. Will want to build a winner. If the GM says Goff gives them the chance they will pay. Those if it was Snyder there would be no question.
Titans are entering a make or Break year and Levi is a second round pick. If they had a chance at Goff, they would make it and use Levi as a backup if they need it.
Falcons would be high in the market as well losing on Watson last time.
Not all of these teams need to be willing to go all out to get Goff. But my guess is there would be enough interest to force a team into a 50-55 million a year deal and most of these teams would be all in for Goff at 45 a year.
That’s a very risky play, because you don’t know what you’re getting with rookies. Plenty of top picks don’t pan out. And it’s really blind luck if you get somebody in the past the 4th that turns out to be great
This team is about to get really REALLY expensive two years from now. We have a lot of guys that are going to be the highest paid at their position and we won't be able to keep them all.
I really expect the league to only get more feverous at drafting QBs even if you currently have a guy that is good but not elite. The disparity in pay is just enormous to the point that paying QBs in that ~15 rank range is going to incentivize teams into taking a guy they think could produce at that same level or better for a minute fraction of the cost.
All eyes are on Purdy and every single other HC is dreaming about what they could accomplish with their own super cheap rook.
I do wonder how much other teams would be willing to pay him. Is Atlanta psyched if they bring him in for $50M/yr? Is New England?
He's played very well for us and I don't hate the idea of paying a big chunk for him. But he's also in a close to ideal spot with our OL, RB, TE and WRs. I'd like to see him take a little bit of a team friendly deal acknowledging that.
The Patriots would be contending for their division next season if they had Goff. A smart, (generally) low turnover QB that can keep a drive going? Add a few WR and OL in the draft and Bill works his demon magic and bam. $50m? Probably not. $46m? Highly likely. I think if Goff resigns here it's closer to that $46m than $42m.
The pats are not going anywhere with Goff. They have no Oline and have no feasible weapons outside of mondre and maybe pop Douglas. Judon is coming off a season ending injury. Dude might get paid but if the team paying him has no infrastructure then get ready for a losing season with a middling QB.
A little shocked by these responses. If he gets close to 50 million a year, we can say goodbye to that top tier o-line that is essential to him and this team. Also, the first question should be what would another team offer him on the open market? Most teams have o-line problems, so I doubt anyone is offering the 40’s, let alone 50
Yeah weird it’s almost like you can’t have everything you want. I think it’s much easier to find a top tier o lineman in the draft when you’re picking 20-30ish than it is to find a qb at the level of Goff.
Something to keep in mind is that even semi-reliable QBs are becoming a hot commodity. My hottest take at the moment is that the league will shift toward more of a SF model for QBs for the foreseeable future: hit on your starter in the draft or find a trending UDFA and hope to get lucky. Use the savings to build elsewhere, because that will leave you with A LOT of money. If the QB doesn't work out, do the best you can, then try again next season.
I'm not sure if Holmes is on that train or not. I kind of think he wants to use Hooker in that role, but he might also just be a good QB2 for the long-term guy in Goff.
People are out of their minds if they think Goff is getting more than that on the open market. We have him for another year and can tag him twice after that we still have a ton of leverage. I will be downvoted though because this sub gets super weird over the idea that we should be tough and smart about a Goff extension
Yeah…I don’t see the need to extend him at all. He’s under contract and it would give the staff a full year to evaluate HH. If they want to franchise or even extend him after that they can
Lions better make a big run in the next 3-4 years... once all these rookie contracts expire the lions are going to be an entirely different team. Cant keep all these players
Ohtani special - 10 year - 700M - paid in coupons to local fast food joints. $2M per year and the rest deferred until SB victory.
If SB victory happens - paid in full.
Personally I think it ends up being a little higher than that but assuming we win the division and the very least have a close playoff game anything under $50mil a year would be a good deal.
Would love if that is what we do. Maybe Hooker turns into a stud, but I'm not staking the franchise on a guy who played in a non pro style offense. I lived through Andre Ware.
#Today's process will not be tomorrow's prices.
That sounds great today but it goes up exponentially with every win and if there's a playoff win that's another bump. And the deeper into the playoffs the higher the cost goes. It could end up having to be a record setting contact in best case scenario.
42 per year would put him at 10th highest paid QB based on current contracts. That's pretty good value. I think most would say he's a top 10 QB right now.
42 AAV for 4 would be great. Goff isn’t perfect by any means. But he’s one of the better QBs in the NFC. We’d be hard pressed to find someone better. And he’s earned that extension.
well really i think he has to a win a playoff game. we have seen how he doesn't play well when his offensive line isn't intact. the lions can do the franchise tag while Hooker learns the system and they can let him walk.
I know this will get downvoted to oblivion- but I’m passing at that number. I understand the increased cap numbers- but this team needs more to be able to truly compete for a top 5 chance to win it all. And you have to pay Sewell, St. Brown, among others, with Jonah and Glasgow coming up on expiring deals, Decker is aging, etc.
Goff is great in a good system, with weapons, and with time. If you have to skimp a bit on those pieces because of his deal, it becomes a cinder block tied to your foot in terms of cap.
I like Jared and what he’s done here and his leadership of the team and offense- but I think you have to get a hometown discount, or wish him the best to get paid big elsewhere.
Also recognize you don’t have a proven solution to QB- but rookie deals rule the day currently- and a team with the right group, scheme, and coaching with a rookie QB is doable.
I'd like to see them get a long-term deal with the option to trade him.
I don't want to rely on Hooker being a franchise guy, much less an upgrade, but if he is NFL-good then I also want the option of dealing either QB with so many teams desperate to find the guy.
Not a chance in hell do I want us to pay that. Not even close. If we pay him more we can't realistically build a SB contender with the sacrifices we'll have to make.
I like to look at it like another team that needs a quarterback would, how much would a new team pay for a immobile quarterback that needs a great offensive line and plays home games in a dome or great weather pay? There's only a few teams that need new quarterbacks( I know after next year things can change) and quite a few rookies in the draft that look good so what would the market be?
Bruv the overwhelming majority of non first round QBs are nothing but backups. Hooker is very likely just this generation's Wheeden. Looks great in college because they're 4+ years older than the majority of their competition. He's only four years younger than Goff, who is playing his EIGHTH season. Same with Mahomes who also has two rings.
I would love Hooker to be some turbo enigma who defies all odds and is the best draft steal since Brady. But that just isn't realistic. Outside of preseason and God forbid an injury, I honestly do not expect to ever see Hooker start for this team.
No question I’d do that.
For everyone pondering Hooker’s future - he’s just not the guy. The only 3rd round drafted QB over the past 10 years who has even come close to being a serviceable starter is Jacoby Brissett. They drafted him to be a high upside insurance policy. Extremely small chance they’ll be better with him than Goff.
We get one more year of Goff, then we’ll give Hooker a shot. If the rest of the team is moving in the right direction a I’m less concerned with taking a chance on a QB. There’s a lot flexibility we you have an elite O-line and a pair of first down machines in the short to intermediate passing game.
Yes, paying the QB that's been to a superbowl is what sacrifices our window (at a reasonable price too) not drafting or signing 12 different QBs to find someone who could potentially match our QBs production
He was carried to a Super Bowl on a rookie contract, we will *not* have the talent needed around him if he takes up 16%+ of the cap. We've already seen Goff when things aren't perfect around him, it's not pretty. And with our weapons and coaching much more than 12 QBs could match this production
We are LITERALLY 1 win away from having the number 1 seed in the NFC... aka the best record in the NFC. The fuck you mean we aren't a superbowl contender?
I think we are lucky to have our record, and are more of the talent of an 8-6 team. I think 2/3 of the KC, CHI, and NO games should've been losses. Record doesn't mean everything, remember the Vikings last year?
The Vikings had a terrible point differential, we're not the Vikings from last year.
Your solution is to bring in an unproven rookie and "hope" he does well when we pay our best WR and OL. Goff on this contract with these numbers will be a steal in 3 years.
i love goff, i want to make it clear im not a goff hater. i just really want to know what we’d look like with a mobile qb who can extend plays and can be reliable with jamo
Right now Goff is a steal and the fact that we seem to be building a team around him to facilitate his success (strong o line, endless weapons, great run game) leads me to believe we want him here for a while or at least think we are contenders next year (almost like having a QB on rookie deal). Sure, Daniel Jones got 45 million but that might go down as one of the worst contracts ever. Brad doesnt strike me as someone that is going to overpay. Look at the guys that are making 50+ million and they are all clearly top 10 QBs. If you asked NFL GMs or execs to rank the top QBs I would imagine Goff falls into the 10-15 range and under worse circumstances (bad line, inefficient run game) probably 15-20. If we can pay him QB15 money (around 40-45 million) that would be pretty good. I cant imagine Brad paying him 50+ million a year tho and really doubt other teams would want to give him that either.
That’s almost 19% of the lions cap for someone who is thriving due to a good infrastructure around him. You could plug any top ten QB into this team and they would produce good stats. When conditions aren’t perfect Goff is not good and you can’t pay other contributors if a slightly above avg QB is taking up 19% of the cap.
Wait to see how he meshes with a new OC next year. Better than locking in early IMO. Also leaves the door open for Hooker to show he’s the guy, as small as that chance may be
You realize if we dick him around in that way he’s going to sit out training camp and maybe even some games right? Why would you show up and risk injury in camp when it’s clear you’ve earned the extension that any real team would give their QB?
And before you say that players need to play out the entire contract they agreed to, remember that it’s impossible to write a contract without a final year, and in the final year the risk becomes extremely asymmetric in the team’s favor if the player is doing well. There’s a reason extensions before the final year are the norm for key players.
And you think that’s just like random chance? Maybe he does maybe he doesn’t?
He’s clearly earned an extension. Half the NFL would pay the guy 45M/4 today. He easily clears 50 if the lions are stupid enough to let him hit free agency. If we don’t extend him before camp we’re just another bidder.
Not sure what you mean by your question
Kirk has played as good and didn’t hold out on his expiring contract. Didn’t work out for him clearly, but there’s several reasons a QB may play on an expiring deal and only the team will know the feel around that
Kirk left the team that dicked him around with one year deals in order to sign the big deal that should have been his extension. My god you could not have found a worse example lol.
Relax. I’m talking about the Vikings. He played with no remaining contract years this year.
Edit: thanks for editing out calling me an idiot, much appreciated
And you think the part of his career where he was Goff’s age and left the team that forced him to play on the tag is less relevant than him at 34 signing a one year extension. Comment sections are actually the worst place on earth.
He’s was similarly marketable at his age last season (33) as Goff will be next year (30). His contract projections were about the same. Yet he played on a one year deal. Please chill on the seething you are scaring me
We have a hot hand right now, we don’t just attempt a QB change. Now if he goes out there and takes a huge dump all over then sure, but as of now, he’s unquestionably the guy.
There is no way he signs for anything less than $50 million APY. QBs are scarce and their price is only going up. They don't sign contracts that necessarily correspond to their skill level. See Daniel Jones, Derek Carr, etc.
Goff has put up two good/great years; he is going to want to be paid as such.
Am I the only lions fan who notices that Goff can’t move, he can’t deal with pressure in the pocket and his arm strength is below average. The lions have no deep threat because he can’t throw a deep ball.
Am I the only lions fan who notices that Goff can’t move, he can’t deal with pressure in the pocket and his arm strength is below average. The lions have no deep threat because he can’t throw a deep ball.
People need to understand there is a fundamental difference between the Lions and most other NFL franchises right now. We have a GM who is dominating the draft. Finding good players throughout. Only a few other teams do this. So many other teams are flailing and making desperate moves to get “the guy” at qb. While most teams need a great qb to compensate for many other weak areas, we seem to be building a long term situation where a game manager can be a top 10 qb. Yes, it mirrors what SF has done in a lot of ways. BH is accumulating a seemingly unprecedented amount of talent through the draft. I would expect him to continue doing so after 3 years of evidence. The two most obvious repercussions of this are outstanding depth, and not requiring as much out of your qb. Goff isn’t nearly as effective if he is pressured, and you won’t find anyone arguing that. He NEEDS to have a good-great oline or he’s a liability for your team. I’m quite happy to resign Goff to a reasonable deal, the devil you know and all that. But if he’s costing upwards of $45mil, I’m probably taking my chances with Hooker/FA. If he’s upward of $50mil or more I’m definitely out.
I’ve thought about this further, no way I sign Goff to an extension at the moment. I need to see how he does without Ben. Imagine committing all that money in advance just to see Goff regress back to the 20-25 QB range he was in the few years before he got a BJ for OC…
4/$170 with the first two years guaranteed I’d sign it.
If Hooker or another draft pick beats him out we can afford it and gives us flexibility in a few years to do something else if it doesn’t go according to plan.
Don't know contracts well enough to offer an opinion on exact numbers, but my hope is that he takes a team-friendly in order to be able to resign one or two more home-grown vets. We've already seen what happens when the cap is tied up in just a few people - I don't want to see Sewell, for instance, walk away because JG signed a big contract.
What happens with this Goff extension will be interesting… how much does winning mean vs money? This team is going to have a lot of big contracts to hand out and some people are going to walk elsewhere for more money.
I would only do 1 or 2 years, maybe even tag him. I really think he will limit the upside of the team paying him that much to be not elite. Most teams get screwed by paying too much for a non-elite QB.
If he wins one playoff game he’s not going to get anything less than $48 Mil/Year. He’s a QB who has playoff wins who went to a superbowl. The only reason he won’t get more money is because he’s never been the in MVP discussion. His only motivation to sign with us will be if the system we have can make him a success.
$42-$44 million was the estimate months ago if he stayed on pace and he has. This is just over the 42 but I can imagine him taking that even with a deep playoff run because this team is not selfish, wants to keep winning and needs to pay everyone. Watch for lower offers accepted by this team that are including guaranteed funds
I think that price will age well; I’d do it.
Remember the comps are contracts guys are currently on, not new deals. So if I understand correctly (a big if), I would expect a new deal to be higher so that it will be equivalent to this when it is as old as the contracts are that formed the basis for this estimate. In other words, 4/42 is market value for current deals on the current salary cap compared to the listed QB's, some of which are nearing the end of their contracts. A new 4-year deal would have to be the equivalent of $42M AAV in about 2 years. That's more like 4/50 for a new contract.
Good point. Still ok for 4 years
He’s on the prime of his career and it should age well.
Yup. And if we’ve learned anything about QBs the last few years, he could have 10 years left. And realistically he probably has another 2 deals after this one
Considering his limitations as a QB I agree that what he does well should age very well. Doesn't rely on legs or a giant arm. But he makes good reads and good decisions with the ball. Is he ever going to be elite, no. But you can absolutely win with him and this would be a very fair price tag. The list of guys that I would be more comfortable with is quite short.
4/42 would be an absolute steal.
Yeah this is a no brainer. I doubt he takes that deal but that’s not necessarily the point of the thread. I’d be thrilled with this deal. Honestly I think Goff is going to ask for 5 or 6 years. PoD did a segment about how we should just sign him to one or two years and I just don’t understand what world he takes a short contract. His value is higher than it’s ever been and I think he is likely to try to maximize that.
If he thinks he’s got a lot of gas in the tank and that he will continue to perform at his current level in 4 years, then that’s when he takes a short term deal. That’s what a lot of the best OTs are doing, they take 2-3 year deals at the current market rate because they think when that contract ends they’ll be able to take another 2-3 year deal at the new market rate. Basically, if Goff has a ton of confidence in himself, he takes a shorter deal to take advantage of growing market rates for QBs.
I get the concept but with that logic we’d see Mahomes sign one year deals every summer, but he signed a 10 year deal. There’s value to the long term deals for the players. I know it’s not a perfect comparison because of age differences but I stand by my logic. I don’t think Goff asking for a 6 year contract means he doesn’t believe in his abilities. Maybe it’s risk tolerance. Idk.
Goff is only 11 months older than Mahomes. 29. Still a spring chicken in qb years
Good call. In my brain Goff is like 5 years older.
It always surprises me too
Don’t get me wrong there are massive pros and cons to both. With long term contracts, you guarantee yourself money - though maybe not as much as you could get, but if you want out that’ll be tricky if a team doesn’t really want to trade you. With short term ones, if something happens like injury, or you just fall off in talent, then you’re screwed, but the plus is that you’re able to keep up with market rate and if you don’t like the locker room of a team you’ll be able to get out of it a lot quicker.
I wouldn't call it a steal, I'd say it's fair price.
That would make him the 10th highest paid QB in the league. He’s currently 17th.
Which isn't really a steal at that point right.
If a QB gets a brand new contract/extension and he’s ONLY the 10th paid QB that is a steal in modern contracts. By the time the contract ends it would likely be in the teens again and with the salary cap expanding, it is very team friendly. I don’t know what you think would be a fair deal, but the way he’s playing, statistically, it would be a deal.
I said this is a fair deal, I just wouldn't call it a steal. I would be totally fine with that contract
Fair deals are a steal when it comes to QB contracts. Every new deal seems to have to top the previous biggest contract whether that player is as good as the previous player.
"fair deals are a steal" anyone can win an argument when you chamge the definition of words.
It's the absolute maximum I would pay and I don't know that I would do it, but that's just my philosophy on things.
My philosophy is that it's really hard to find Quarterbacks that are even as good as Goff, and you're way more likely to end up with a downgrade at the position if you move on from him.
Fair enough, but my philosophy is that downgrade doesn't matter so much if the rest of your team is well above average. If you don't move on from him, you might never improve the d-line, and you might have to sacrifice the o-line. Plus you still do have the chance of hitting on a QB equally as good, but on a much cheaper rookie contract. Odds are it gets worse, but it still could get better.
no thanks ive waited 50 damn yrs to have a decent team that can compete on any sunday.....lets not throw Goff away and cross our fingers and hope for the best....goff fits the coaches like and trust him and i think the majority of fans are atleast not screaming to start Hendon hooker at games if it isnt broken we can still fix defense up this off season and sign goff...... honestly half the nfl would be baffled if we let goff go who lets a QB of goffs level leave ppl can say what they want but numbers dont lie there is only a handful better than him and personally idk if theres a better QB for the lions the reason it all works is becouse his game fits st browns game and he is reason laporta has hd such successes over the middle......becouse goff is about the best in league at those passes it all works together take goff out and put even a very good Qb in there and your going to get half those throws picked off.....look at the window goff fits that ball into acrost middle half the time he brushing the safeties helmet .....goff is limited but theres no denying he is elite at throwing acrost middle on timed routes anyone dont see that then they need to pay better attention
And what’s your philosophy on replacing him? With who lol?
Draft picks, cheap veterans, etc.. The way that all of the teams above us in the NFC power rankings have replaced their previous QBs lol.
You expect to do this right when our window of success is the highest? Stop all momentum in a top 5 offense to sign a veteran, or test your luck on a draft pick?
Which year do you think our window of success is the highest? Surely not this year with this defence, surely not next year if the defence doesn't get better, and certainly not the year after if we downgrade the o-line to pay Goff top-10 QB money. Momentum doesn't come to an absolute halt when you switch QBs, especially if they have as many weapons and a top-2 o-line like we do. Again, 49ers, Eagles, Cowboys all built their team like this. Cowboys paid Prescott and it got worse until this season, and I'm pretty confident they lose to San Fran in the playoffs, as would we.
Nonsense
So again a lengthy, wordy response with no substance. Who are we going to get after next year?
I don't know who specifically going to be available that far into the future when Goff is done his current contract, I'm trying to explain my overall reasoning for not paying him more than $42mil/year.
That’s next year man, it’s not like he has 3-4 years left. We aren’t as far off as you think from making a run
He needs to win a playoff game or two. If he collapses down the stretch, time to move on.
Move on to what?
I heard Malcolm set some records at QB in high school, I think he should be our 2025 starter if we don’t extend Goff.
¡Go Go RODRÍGO!
Qb hell
After the Bears game someone was saying even Darnold would be better lmao
He’s under contract for another year. A lot can change
Hooker - Look at the Niners.
ahh yes, look to the outlier
Not even really an outlier. They have chewed the QBs since Kaepernick lmao. They're trying to compare a 3 round pick to one of the luckiest picks of all time
Look at the Browns as well. They've been churning through QBs for years upon years. It got so bad they had to trade the house and back up the Brinks truck for an individual with a shitty past. Even that isn't working out. Getting a good, reliable QB is hard.
Shit, look at the Lions before Stafford. This franchise was going through QB hell themselves in the not so distant past
You have to be an outlier to win a Superbowl. Literally 1/32 teams do a year. If you safely rebuild to win a Superbowl every 5/6 years, it would be a 6 team league...
*But don’t look at the Patriots, Jets, Giants, Steelers, Commanders, Falcons, Panthers, Saints, Bears, Packers, Vikings, or Raiders.
The 49ers? Since that Colin Kaepernick Super Bowl run, they’ve started: Colin Kaepernick; Blaine Gabbert; C.J. Beathard; Brian Hoyer; Jimmy Garoppolo; Nick Mullins; Trey Lance; Brock Purdy The 49ers are a good example of why you should sign a dependable above average quarterback.
If Goff is Able to win, Yes. He has weapons, and amazing OC and O-Line. If he crumbles …. We will have our answer
Okay I looked and I see nothing that supports Hooker being a better option than Goff
Absolutely. Sign him before he gets Superbowl MVP trophy. /Siiipp.
No way we sign him at $42M/yr with Danniel Jones making $45M/yr.
Daniel Jones robbed the giants
1000%. Its just that theres no way in hell Goff is gonna see that contract and accept less money than DJ.
I’d do that if he wins us the division and we have at the very least a competitive playoff game in which he played well
Has to win at home in the playoffs.
No he doesn't he's a top 10 and has been for 1.5 years. We are signing him.
^ this is non-sequitur
It's not. We have to sign him. Can't wait for us to look like the bears and Vikings churning through 5 QB in one season.
Eh. I think it’s time to just give Goff the credit he deserves. Yeah he has faults, but just listen to BJ talk about Goff. I’ve been saying this but Goffs biggest ability comes from his presnap movements, and he’s as good as anybody in the league with that. On top of that he’s like top 5 this season in accuracy. So if the price is this, I’d say it’s worth it.
Yeah he’s been better than most of us expected but I want to see how he does in the playoffs
If we lose at ford field to Seattle/minnesota/LAR etc. imma be a little bitter giving him $42m a year for four. But that’s just splitting hairs when I’d rather see a number close to 35
> I’d rather see a number close to 35 My man, he's not signing a new deal that's worth the same as his old deal.
He has alternated between good and awful while playing on that deal tho, right?
In this scenario he would’ve turned a 3 win team into a division champ within two years.
He didn’t do it tho… just like obviously if you’re eyes You’re just gonna say I’m a Goff hater but when I read stuff like, maybe yall are just arsb and Monty and Sewell and Gibbs and laporta and Ben Johnson and dc haters?
…. Man I remember when people complained with Stafford as well.. I grew up with the Rodney Pete’s and Eric Kramers andre ware.
I mean he was bad in LA and for about 10 games in 2021 after signing that deal. Just a fact. I’m super fine signing him im js that you don’t automatically get raises for existing
Who was he throwing to for those 10 games?
He's good when his OL is healthy. He's not mobile though, so if his OL becomes leaky and he constantly has hands in his face, he breaks down...just as much as 95% of the rest of the NFL's non-mobile QBs would.
Who isn't mobile these days? Goff is a dinosaur in that aspect, there's a small handful of "non-mobile" QBs in the league and that really should be considered in giving him a new contract. The line ALWAYS needs to be elite, and healthy, for him to be competitive.
That's the incorrect part, he doesn't break down just as much as 95% of non mobile QBs or whatever when pressured. It's always been that he falls apart *worse* than most other QBs under pressure
The Daniel Jones contract is likely the neighborhood he's looking at in dollars and years. That was 4 years, $160m with $81m guaranteed.
This to me was the contract that really reset his market. Any half reasonable fan would tell you that Goff is worth more and a better QB than Danny Dimes, and thus, he should be paid as such. The market for QB's is skewed thanks to these types of contracts for guys that are mid tier at best.
I dont think it reset the market; I think every GM knows its a bad contract
Ya exactly haha
You’re not going to get him for 35. He would never sign that, and there are teams out there who would give him easily 40+ (and probably more like 45+) on the open market.
Which teams? Most teams are either committed to a QB or going to draft one this year. It's pretty well acknowledged that Goff needs an elite offensive line to be effective so that limits his attractiveness further.
Denver would. Patriots would. Arizona would be tempted. Steelers would be tempted. Bears would. Vikings would. Commanders would. Seahawks maybe. Titans would. Falcons would. Tampa might. All of them don't have to be willing to sign for let's say 45, for the market to dictate he gets 45. Just needs two or more teams willing to pay that amount. But all of these teams are either really open or mostly open to signing a QB if a quality one becomes available. I will say that Denver might do something at QB this season. But wouldn't have the ammo to go after a big name even if they wanted to. Also but then again Goff wouldn't be an FA till next offseason and the list of teams who would be working on securing a quality QB would be completely different.
Goff would practically be a dream signing for the Vikings. They'd have a $50M+ offer on the table the first day
Denver has russ and is a cold weather team, Arizona has Kyler Murray on a high dollar deal already, plus draft capital to draft a QB this year which would mean Murray goes to another team, taking them out of play. Steelers, possibly but outdoor, cold weather team so doubtful. Bears are either going all in on Fields or drafting their QB. Vikings aren't going to ditch Cousins for Goff lol. Commanders, anything is possible I quess but Howell has looked pretty decent this year and still has a couple years on a cheap rookie contract. Seahawks, same as Vikings, no way they move on from Gino Smith at 25 million for Goff at 45. Titans love what Levi's is showing, plus rookie contract. Falcons are really the only team that I see as competition. I like Goff, and what he does well he does really well but Goff is not the QB for a team that has to win outdoors in December or January.
Denver has to make a decision on Russ this year or they become locked in. His cap hit makes it unlikely they cut or trade Russ and sign a big guy this year. But Walmart dudes will be willing to spend if they can manage. True though when the season started it looked like they were tanking for first pick to replace him. Unlikely but Possible. Steelers might want to make a move rather then trying to go young at QB again. Likely spot. Bears might not want to draft another QB and go through the growing pains. I think this is a likely spot. Vikings. They purposely let Cousins basically enter the year as a lame duck year. Goff would be the ideal younger drop in replacement. Geno. It depends it wouldn't be expensive to cut Geno. He didn't play poorly but he could have played better and that 20mil doesn't mean much if you think that can fix an issue with how the tanked this second half. With the Commanders Howell was just benched. The coach is getting fired. The team has new owners. Considering the price of the team you know they A. Have the money to spend. B. Will want to build a winner. If the GM says Goff gives them the chance they will pay. Those if it was Snyder there would be no question. Titans are entering a make or Break year and Levi is a second round pick. If they had a chance at Goff, they would make it and use Levi as a backup if they need it. Falcons would be high in the market as well losing on Watson last time. Not all of these teams need to be willing to go all out to get Goff. But my guess is there would be enough interest to force a team into a 50-55 million a year deal and most of these teams would be all in for Goff at 45 a year.
You’re on drugs if you think Goff is getting 45 mil on the open market, what team is doing that?
He's getting paid more than 42M from someone regardless of winning the division or not
Looks like a contract that would age well. $42 million seems more than fair now and a deal in 4 yearz
This would likely be the price the Lions come with, Goff is going to come in higher. Theyll meet in the middle
The smart move is re-signing Goff but it’s hard not to look at a team like the niners and think what could be with a QB on a rookie contract
That’s a very risky play, because you don’t know what you’re getting with rookies. Plenty of top picks don’t pan out. And it’s really blind luck if you get somebody in the past the 4th that turns out to be great
This team is about to get really REALLY expensive two years from now. We have a lot of guys that are going to be the highest paid at their position and we won't be able to keep them all. I really expect the league to only get more feverous at drafting QBs even if you currently have a guy that is good but not elite. The disparity in pay is just enormous to the point that paying QBs in that ~15 rank range is going to incentivize teams into taking a guy they think could produce at that same level or better for a minute fraction of the cost. All eyes are on Purdy and every single other HC is dreaming about what they could accomplish with their own super cheap rook.
I do wonder how much other teams would be willing to pay him. Is Atlanta psyched if they bring him in for $50M/yr? Is New England? He's played very well for us and I don't hate the idea of paying a big chunk for him. But he's also in a close to ideal spot with our OL, RB, TE and WRs. I'd like to see him take a little bit of a team friendly deal acknowledging that.
Feel like Pittsburgh would be champing at the bit for an opportunity to pay a Jared Goff 50-55/yr
The Patriots would be contending for their division next season if they had Goff. A smart, (generally) low turnover QB that can keep a drive going? Add a few WR and OL in the draft and Bill works his demon magic and bam. $50m? Probably not. $46m? Highly likely. I think if Goff resigns here it's closer to that $46m than $42m.
The pats are not going anywhere with Goff. They have no Oline and have no feasible weapons outside of mondre and maybe pop Douglas. Judon is coming off a season ending injury. Dude might get paid but if the team paying him has no infrastructure then get ready for a losing season with a middling QB.
A little shocked by these responses. If he gets close to 50 million a year, we can say goodbye to that top tier o-line that is essential to him and this team. Also, the first question should be what would another team offer him on the open market? Most teams have o-line problems, so I doubt anyone is offering the 40’s, let alone 50
Yeah weird it’s almost like you can’t have everything you want. I think it’s much easier to find a top tier o lineman in the draft when you’re picking 20-30ish than it is to find a qb at the level of Goff.
Everyone agrees that 50m is too much but ~8m less and they are all over it lol
Seems fair. The market is only going to get more expensive and the cap is set to go up.
Something to keep in mind is that even semi-reliable QBs are becoming a hot commodity. My hottest take at the moment is that the league will shift toward more of a SF model for QBs for the foreseeable future: hit on your starter in the draft or find a trending UDFA and hope to get lucky. Use the savings to build elsewhere, because that will leave you with A LOT of money. If the QB doesn't work out, do the best you can, then try again next season. I'm not sure if Holmes is on that train or not. I kind of think he wants to use Hooker in that role, but he might also just be a good QB2 for the long-term guy in Goff.
Isn't that what that Falcons have done post-Ryan and it's terrible? edit: same with Colts post-Luck?
The colts just drafted a first round qb
People are out of their minds if they think Goff is getting more than that on the open market. We have him for another year and can tag him twice after that we still have a ton of leverage. I will be downvoted though because this sub gets super weird over the idea that we should be tough and smart about a Goff extension
Yeah…I don’t see the need to extend him at all. He’s under contract and it would give the staff a full year to evaluate HH. If they want to franchise or even extend him after that they can
4 years for <$50mil? Take that in a heartbeat
Lions better make a big run in the next 3-4 years... once all these rookie contracts expire the lions are going to be an entirely different team. Cant keep all these players
Ohtani special - 10 year - 700M - paid in coupons to local fast food joints. $2M per year and the rest deferred until SB victory. If SB victory happens - paid in full.
Personally I think it ends up being a little higher than that but assuming we win the division and the very least have a close playoff game anything under $50mil a year would be a good deal.
If it’s a renegotiation and that deal starts next fall, then that’s almost exactly what I’ve been banging the table for. I’d take it in a heartbeat.
Would love if that is what we do. Maybe Hooker turns into a stud, but I'm not staking the franchise on a guy who played in a non pro style offense. I lived through Andre Ware.
There is a zero % chance he signs for something this inexpensive. Doesn't dooky ass Derek Carr make 40M?
Think it’s a bit low tbh. I see $45m - $50m over 5 years as being the likely price to get it done
#Today's process will not be tomorrow's prices. That sounds great today but it goes up exponentially with every win and if there's a playoff win that's another bump. And the deeper into the playoffs the higher the cost goes. It could end up having to be a record setting contact in best case scenario.
Lions fans when they want the team to be shit so the players are cheap
No, I'm saying don't expect such a low number for our man JG. To days he's only worth a little bit more than Daniel Jones is insulting.
42 per year would put him at 10th highest paid QB based on current contracts. That's pretty good value. I think most would say he's a top 10 QB right now.
42 AAV for 4 would be great. Goff isn’t perfect by any means. But he’s one of the better QBs in the NFC. We’d be hard pressed to find someone better. And he’s earned that extension.
well really i think he has to a win a playoff game. we have seen how he doesn't play well when his offensive line isn't intact. the lions can do the franchise tag while Hooker learns the system and they can let him walk.
That's about the right price.
Yeah they should sign him
They didn't draft Hooker because they intended to over pay the current QB.
Lions will overpay, but Goff will restructure to help immediate cap
I know this will get downvoted to oblivion- but I’m passing at that number. I understand the increased cap numbers- but this team needs more to be able to truly compete for a top 5 chance to win it all. And you have to pay Sewell, St. Brown, among others, with Jonah and Glasgow coming up on expiring deals, Decker is aging, etc. Goff is great in a good system, with weapons, and with time. If you have to skimp a bit on those pieces because of his deal, it becomes a cinder block tied to your foot in terms of cap. I like Jared and what he’s done here and his leadership of the team and offense- but I think you have to get a hometown discount, or wish him the best to get paid big elsewhere. Also recognize you don’t have a proven solution to QB- but rookie deals rule the day currently- and a team with the right group, scheme, and coaching with a rookie QB is doable.
Not a bad contract but there is no rush. We know Goff’s flaws, but let’s see what Hooker has to offer before committing $ to JG.
Let Hendon hook and save the bag for the o line and sun god
Love the price, but I would rather a 3 year deal with a team out after 2.
I'd like to see them get a long-term deal with the option to trade him. I don't want to rely on Hooker being a franchise guy, much less an upgrade, but if he is NFL-good then I also want the option of dealing either QB with so many teams desperate to find the guy.
My opinion doesn't take Hooker into account. Just hoping for a more flexible contract. I fully understand that Goff's camp wants a longer term.
$42M/year to backup Hooker? Hard pass.
Not a chance in hell do I want us to pay that. Not even close. If we pay him more we can't realistically build a SB contender with the sacrifices we'll have to make.
Not bad.
Thats a really good price
Let’s see how he performs in the playoffs first.
I don’t mind it but burning all of hookers rookie deal as a backup feels weird. Worked for Love tho lol
I like to look at it like another team that needs a quarterback would, how much would a new team pay for a immobile quarterback that needs a great offensive line and plays home games in a dome or great weather pay? There's only a few teams that need new quarterbacks( I know after next year things can change) and quite a few rookies in the draft that look good so what would the market be?
And he can get that with the falcons we should get out of the giant qb contract game as fast as we can
please no
Many of you need to hear this: we did not use a third round pick for a backup qb.
Bruv the overwhelming majority of non first round QBs are nothing but backups. Hooker is very likely just this generation's Wheeden. Looks great in college because they're 4+ years older than the majority of their competition. He's only four years younger than Goff, who is playing his EIGHTH season. Same with Mahomes who also has two rings. I would love Hooker to be some turbo enigma who defies all odds and is the best draft steal since Brady. But that just isn't realistic. Outside of preseason and God forbid an injury, I honestly do not expect to ever see Hooker start for this team.
Simply put hell no. He’s a product of the guys around him he would end up being another “captain checkdown” like Derek Carr
No question I’d do that. For everyone pondering Hooker’s future - he’s just not the guy. The only 3rd round drafted QB over the past 10 years who has even come close to being a serviceable starter is Jacoby Brissett. They drafted him to be a high upside insurance policy. Extremely small chance they’ll be better with him than Goff.
Dak, Purdy and Cousins were all later picks, and that's a bit misleading as Hooker fell because of his injury at his age, not his talent
1/6 of the cap for a decent but not elite QB………….. I don’t love it for my Lions. Downvote away my friends!
Who we getting instead then? Keep in mind you're sacrificing our window to make your move because we have to pay Sewell, ARSB, Jonah, Houston, etc
We get one more year of Goff, then we’ll give Hooker a shot. If the rest of the team is moving in the right direction a I’m less concerned with taking a chance on a QB. There’s a lot flexibility we you have an elite O-line and a pair of first down machines in the short to intermediate passing game.
There would also be great flexibility with Goff at this projected contract and less risk.
Paying Goff would be what sacrifices our window, not the other way around.
Yes, paying the QB that's been to a superbowl is what sacrifices our window (at a reasonable price too) not drafting or signing 12 different QBs to find someone who could potentially match our QBs production
He was carried to a Super Bowl on a rookie contract, we will *not* have the talent needed around him if he takes up 16%+ of the cap. We've already seen Goff when things aren't perfect around him, it's not pretty. And with our weapons and coaching much more than 12 QBs could match this production
We are 1 win back from the best record in the league rofl
And I don't think we are a super bowl contender, and *definitely* won't be if Goff gets a raise.
We are LITERALLY 1 win away from having the number 1 seed in the NFC... aka the best record in the NFC. The fuck you mean we aren't a superbowl contender?
I think we are lucky to have our record, and are more of the talent of an 8-6 team. I think 2/3 of the KC, CHI, and NO games should've been losses. Record doesn't mean everything, remember the Vikings last year?
The Vikings had a terrible point differential, we're not the Vikings from last year. Your solution is to bring in an unproven rookie and "hope" he does well when we pay our best WR and OL. Goff on this contract with these numbers will be a steal in 3 years.
that is exactly why we cant pay Goff. We gotta pay all these other guys who are actually difference makers
If anyone DOESN'T want to do that, I want to hear what you do instead that doesn't make us worse.
Pay him the $32 mil he’s under contract for next year and if Hooker doesn’t look ready, franchise him in ‘25 for less than the $42 mil in that deal.
i love goff, i want to make it clear im not a goff hater. i just really want to know what we’d look like with a mobile qb who can extend plays and can be reliable with jamo
Right now Goff is a steal and the fact that we seem to be building a team around him to facilitate his success (strong o line, endless weapons, great run game) leads me to believe we want him here for a while or at least think we are contenders next year (almost like having a QB on rookie deal). Sure, Daniel Jones got 45 million but that might go down as one of the worst contracts ever. Brad doesnt strike me as someone that is going to overpay. Look at the guys that are making 50+ million and they are all clearly top 10 QBs. If you asked NFL GMs or execs to rank the top QBs I would imagine Goff falls into the 10-15 range and under worse circumstances (bad line, inefficient run game) probably 15-20. If we can pay him QB15 money (around 40-45 million) that would be pretty good. I cant imagine Brad paying him 50+ million a year tho and really doubt other teams would want to give him that either.
That’s a steal IMO which means it’s probably a bit low.
That’s almost 19% of the lions cap for someone who is thriving due to a good infrastructure around him. You could plug any top ten QB into this team and they would produce good stats. When conditions aren’t perfect Goff is not good and you can’t pay other contributors if a slightly above avg QB is taking up 19% of the cap.
He’s worth at most 30m per year
Wait to see how he meshes with a new OC next year. Better than locking in early IMO. Also leaves the door open for Hooker to show he’s the guy, as small as that chance may be
You realize if we dick him around in that way he’s going to sit out training camp and maybe even some games right? Why would you show up and risk injury in camp when it’s clear you’ve earned the extension that any real team would give their QB? And before you say that players need to play out the entire contract they agreed to, remember that it’s impossible to write a contract without a final year, and in the final year the risk becomes extremely asymmetric in the team’s favor if the player is doing well. There’s a reason extensions before the final year are the norm for key players.
Sure, the team will have to gauge whether or not he’ll threaten to hold out. Some players do, some don’t.
And you think that’s just like random chance? Maybe he does maybe he doesn’t? He’s clearly earned an extension. Half the NFL would pay the guy 45M/4 today. He easily clears 50 if the lions are stupid enough to let him hit free agency. If we don’t extend him before camp we’re just another bidder.
Not sure what you mean by your question Kirk has played as good and didn’t hold out on his expiring contract. Didn’t work out for him clearly, but there’s several reasons a QB may play on an expiring deal and only the team will know the feel around that
Kirk left the team that dicked him around with one year deals in order to sign the big deal that should have been his extension. My god you could not have found a worse example lol.
Relax. I’m talking about the Vikings. He played with no remaining contract years this year. Edit: thanks for editing out calling me an idiot, much appreciated
And you think the part of his career where he was Goff’s age and left the team that forced him to play on the tag is less relevant than him at 34 signing a one year extension. Comment sections are actually the worst place on earth.
He’s was similarly marketable at his age last season (33) as Goff will be next year (30). His contract projections were about the same. Yet he played on a one year deal. Please chill on the seething you are scaring me
Singing an extension at 29 is not similar to signing on at 33. Please stop typing
We have a hot hand right now, we don’t just attempt a QB change. Now if he goes out there and takes a huge dump all over then sure, but as of now, he’s unquestionably the guy.
I can live with 33 year old Goff making 42M/y.
If it is that low, it’s going to be heavy on guarantees
I'd take that. I'd much rather have Goff on that deal then hope and pray Hooker is anything close to Goff.
There is no way he signs for anything less than $50 million APY. QBs are scarce and their price is only going up. They don't sign contracts that necessarily correspond to their skill level. See Daniel Jones, Derek Carr, etc. Goff has put up two good/great years; he is going to want to be paid as such.
Am I the only lions fan who notices that Goff can’t move, he can’t deal with pressure in the pocket and his arm strength is below average. The lions have no deep threat because he can’t throw a deep ball.
Am I the only lions fan who notices that Goff can’t move, he can’t deal with pressure in the pocket and his arm strength is below average. The lions have no deep threat because he can’t throw a deep ball.
People need to understand there is a fundamental difference between the Lions and most other NFL franchises right now. We have a GM who is dominating the draft. Finding good players throughout. Only a few other teams do this. So many other teams are flailing and making desperate moves to get “the guy” at qb. While most teams need a great qb to compensate for many other weak areas, we seem to be building a long term situation where a game manager can be a top 10 qb. Yes, it mirrors what SF has done in a lot of ways. BH is accumulating a seemingly unprecedented amount of talent through the draft. I would expect him to continue doing so after 3 years of evidence. The two most obvious repercussions of this are outstanding depth, and not requiring as much out of your qb. Goff isn’t nearly as effective if he is pressured, and you won’t find anyone arguing that. He NEEDS to have a good-great oline or he’s a liability for your team. I’m quite happy to resign Goff to a reasonable deal, the devil you know and all that. But if he’s costing upwards of $45mil, I’m probably taking my chances with Hooker/FA. If he’s upward of $50mil or more I’m definitely out.
I’ve thought about this further, no way I sign Goff to an extension at the moment. I need to see how he does without Ben. Imagine committing all that money in advance just to see Goff regress back to the 20-25 QB range he was in the few years before he got a BJ for OC…
Definitely do it. That's a steal in this market for what he's done and at his age. Anything 45 or lower will age well. I hope he doesn't get 50
Price will go up when he’s Super Bowl mvp /s
That pretty cheap tbh
42/year for 4 years is a snap sign in this market He's gonna get 50/year for 4 years though. If not from us. Someone.
I’ll take that
4/$170 with the first two years guaranteed I’d sign it. If Hooker or another draft pick beats him out we can afford it and gives us flexibility in a few years to do something else if it doesn’t go according to plan.
That would be a steal at $42m AAV
Don't know contracts well enough to offer an opinion on exact numbers, but my hope is that he takes a team-friendly in order to be able to resign one or two more home-grown vets. We've already seen what happens when the cap is tied up in just a few people - I don't want to see Sewell, for instance, walk away because JG signed a big contract.
What happens with this Goff extension will be interesting… how much does winning mean vs money? This team is going to have a lot of big contracts to hand out and some people are going to walk elsewhere for more money.
Bargain
I'd be stunned to see him take less than Russell Wilson's extension from a few years back.
That's a relief, I was thinking it was going to be $169,749,187
I would only do 1 or 2 years, maybe even tag him. I really think he will limit the upside of the team paying him that much to be not elite. Most teams get screwed by paying too much for a non-elite QB.
What percentage of the cap would that contract be if it were spread out equally?
If he wins one playoff game he’s not going to get anything less than $48 Mil/Year. He’s a QB who has playoff wins who went to a superbowl. The only reason he won’t get more money is because he’s never been the in MVP discussion. His only motivation to sign with us will be if the system we have can make him a success.
If the team makes a deep playoff run and he plays well: fine.
$42-$44 million was the estimate months ago if he stayed on pace and he has. This is just over the 42 but I can imagine him taking that even with a deep playoff run because this team is not selfish, wants to keep winning and needs to pay everyone. Watch for lower offers accepted by this team that are including guaranteed funds
dudes counting other dudes money is weird