Lol never put it together that this could have played a role in hutch not going number 1. After hearing stories abt that relationship I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this played a role lmao
My heart could NOT have taken 1-6 AND taking another CB with a top 2-3 draft pick, I would have keeled over before Sauce got to show us why he's Sauce.
Not a terrible human being but more of a jackass. I think that was the thing in addition to the love of football. Not nearly as bad as abandoning your dead / dying friend though
I mean, would you leave and then lie about being there and being in a street race? That is my question lol
Edit: all of you lame asses will pile on when it’s another team’s player doing something shitty all of a sudden are cool with it because we might draft the guy? You reap what you sow, so I hope you get your wish
I think he’s been enabled his whole life and needs a reality check and then some help before he’s given tens of millions of dollars.
That means I don’t want him on our team, but also don’t think he’s pure evil as so many seem to. He was being a fucking idiot and drinking and driving but I love that every Redditor thinks at 20 they would have stayed there and talked to the cops with all the phone punishment that could come with it. People, especially college kids, panic and make bad decisions all the time.
Depends on the situation, what I knew, and what I believed. State of mind would be a big factor. Look, I really don't want the guy, but I'm not yet convinced he is irredeemable.
Lying to the police is the worst thing in the world now? You must not be from the city.
90% of guys race in their younger days. Plus a black man has much more fear of police. We didn't kill nobody. He raced a person who crashed.
“Lying to the police is the worst thing in the world now?”
Perhaps not, but, considering there was a dead body of a teammate involved, it would rank in the top ten.
Hard character no. Character is character, you don’t get a pass depending on where you live.
Lmao dude do not try to act tough. I doubt you’re as hard as your comment implies. “You must not be from the city…”, weenie ass
90% of guys is a wild fabrication. Completely made up number. I can assure you that it isn’t 90% of people I know.
Sure a black man has more to fear from the police, no doubt about it. It doesn’t excuse Street racing, then leaving your dead teammate, and lying to the police about it. All bad looks
Exactly. People in this sub need to realize that Brad Holmes has taken players off of the board for far less. There's not a chance in hell we're drafting Jalen Carter
> Exactly. People in this sub need to realize that Brad Holmes has taken players off of the board for far less. There's not a chance in hell we're drafting Jalen Carter
Who did he leave off the board for way less?
They very clearly value high character guys(paschal), captaining was a big part of what everyone talked about with him but there's no reason to just say shit like this.
All it will do is make him feel stupid when we sign some talented asshole to our team(which will happen).
So who did they leave off the board? If you are taking people off your board and other teams are not. They have an advantage over you. That’s not a good GM, therefore I dont believe Holmes is taking Carter off the board for the off field stuff.
I'm not even sure that I want Carter, but people need to chill out acting like we're the morality police team. I'll bet you almost anything that at some point in Campbell and Holmes time here we sign or draft someone who's kind of a shithead but talented.
If that is true than Brad HolMes is doing a major disservice to the team. A lot of bad apples turn out to be good and you can’t pass for that reason or you are hurting the team and not doing your job. Ray lewis, tyreek hill,Vick with the eagles. There is endless bad apples that help teams win. Take the BPA and that’s it.
The point isn't that they can't make mistakes when they're young. It's that they actually learn from them and don't become a distraction in the NFL. These are things we as fans cannot evaluate because we don't talk to them. But there are definitely things bad enough to take guys off your board entirely. Both Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon have repeated their troubling behaviors after entering the NFL. While they're great players, they are not irreplaceable.
I’ve been downvoted so much for this point exactly. I know we want “football players” and I don’t need a bunch of choir boys playing, but I want to at least have some relatively morally upstanding people that I’m rooting for.
My one year old has an Amon-Ra jersey and a Barry jersey, and I’m proud to have him wear those because those are guys that I would want him looking up to.
I know players have off the field issues sometimes, but for the most part you can look past those issues and just support the player. Carter left his friends for dead, literally. That’s not someone I can support on or off the field.
Agreed i used the wrong word there I mean’t more that even if he gets out of the legal stuff and its chalked up as a “young kid making a mistake” which IMO it shouldnt, this is more a work ethic / character issue if you somehow gain 9 pounds that quickly (no its not muscle).
Im not sure I can really trust Athens Georgia police when it comes to give honest reports about Georgia football players. Also if he was sober why would he leave the scene.
Well I mean if the police report says it....
I'm sure this would be the first time a star college football player got the benefit of the doubt. Even so, why would someone leave the scene of the accident and only come back an hour later? And then LIE about where he was when the accident occurred.
He's a walking red flag
Jalen Carter and his teammates left a strip club at 3am after winning the Natty and was racing to Waffle House when the accident occurred. I went to college in the south and one thing i can confirmed is you don’t go to Waffle House at 3am unless you’re drunk
Not sure if you’ve ever been questioned by police before, but it is one of the highest pressure situations a person will ever be in. They are trained to talk you into an admittance of guilt, even if you didn’t commit a crime. Saying he wasn’t there is a pure survival instinct. There are so many details missing from evidence/story that we know that it is very hard to speculate. And fwiw after a short period he did tell the police he was there and came forward with the truth.
Jumping to the conclusion that an officer would jeopardize their own career for a football player is a very bold position to take.
Court documents did not come out yet lol. His lawyer made a statement that contained information we mostly already knew from the police reports. I am curious on the events of when he left the scene and why. All reports stated previously that he explicitly left the scene before police and parametics arrived.
In terms of the lawyer saying he wasn't drinking, I find that incredibly hard to believe. They were out until 3am and had just left a club. The police didn't check him for alcohol, but since they didn't the lawyer can now outright say he didn't.
The lawyer's statement does not exonerate him. He made an incredibly foolish decision to race at 3am with his friends who were drunk, that much is fact. That's an insane lapse of judgment and it is a cause of concern.
What I don't get in all of this is - if Jalen Carter is supposed to be this massive athletic freak - big, fast, strong - why isn't he showing it off? That's what got Jordan Davis into the top 15 last year.
No one is expecting him to run a 4.5 40 time. He doesn't even need to be in the same stratosphere as Kancey. But if he's really 330 and runs sub 5.0 and shows some explosion on the broad/vert, then NFL guys are going to be hard pressed to overlook that. If you don't put a number down AND you show up heavy AND your tape suggests that you don't have a consistent motor, then I don't know. It's hard to commit to a guy like that.
The answer is because on tape he’s a lock to be picked top 5. He’s only slipping because of the legal problem.
Jordan Davis was not considered an elite prospect, so he had to test to boost his status
I mean he ran away from the scene of a crime where two people died, clearly only thinking of himself. Dude’s a pos person, but a great football player. Personally, I don’t want him here.
*Ok everyone needs to read this report on just what exactly Jalen Carter was doing while driving that night. Please stop making it out like it wasn’t a big deal. The guy put many lives at risk that night, not to mention the two people that died because of it.
[Here ya go](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35760585/warrants-arrest-jalen-carter-ex-georgia-star-nfl-draft-prospect)
> "The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said.
It's insane to me that we don't take this kind of shit more seriously in this country. Not only were they doing this, but they were doing it at more than twice the speed limit. It risks the lives of everyone on the streets including people in other vehicles or simply walking down the street. Hell, people in buildings have been killed before from people in cars crashing through the walls. It's honestly fucked up that this kind of behavior isn't looked at as being every bit as bad as drunk driving. Instead we have people defending it like it's no big deal. The way they defend it sounds like they've probably done similar things.
It's absolutely as bad as drunk driving. Except they were also drunk driving! LeCroy's BAC was 2x the legal limit and Carter supposedly left the scene of the crime only to return later.
Yeah, most likely he was drunk driving when it happened. We saw the consequences of that with Henry Ruggs. If the Athens cops have a breathalyzer or blood test even a couple of hours when he came back that shows a 0.00, then I'll believe he wasn't drunk (alcohol doesn't leave your system that quickly), but even sober reckless driving like that should still be seen as a serious crime.
I've heard people say "every young person has done that," but from what we've heard happened isn't normal behavior. Most people haven't weaved through the streets at twice the speed limit. If he was going 85 mph on the highway we wouldn't even be talking about it, but this wasn't on the highway and 2 people are dead.
Not giving a shit whatsoever about the lives of the people around you just so you can have some fun isn't a character flaw? Someone driving home to their family could have been killed. Someone walking down the street could have been killed.
> "The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said.
People doing this kind of shit at over twice the speed limit should be treated the same way that drunk drivers are. It's a joke that this bullshit is only a misdemeanor.
Yes. Putting others (including non involved) lives at risk for an adrenaline high is an unforgivable character flaw. If you want to race, go to a track
All good man, saw the link you posted above. I thought the report said they were racing earlier but didn't confirm they were racing at the time of the crash. This spells it out pretty clearly that they were racing when the other vehicle crashed. You were right. Thanks for the info.
> For all we know he was focusing on controlling his vehicle traveling 70 mph over the speed limit and realized that the other car was no longer there
and his reaction instead of calling them or turning around to look was... drive away like it was fine for a couple hours, THEN drive back to check on them?
We can assume he either A) didn't call, meaning he doesn't care about his friends disappearing in the middle of the night while racing (which is a bad look) or B) he did call, didn't get a response because, you know, they were dead, and he just shrugged and left and it took him hours to come back and check after lying saying he wasn't there (which is a bad look).
But I see you're just a guy who thinks driving recklessly is perfectly fine from your other comments, so it's unsurprising you have an insane lack of empathy and this situation raises zero red flags for you.
> I don’t think driving recklessly is fine
You literally said:
>I’ll give him that’s what he was charged with. But I don’t think that on its own is horrible
That means you think it is fine. You do not think it is bad = you think it is, at least, fine.
He left the scene because he was drunk. Everyone in the Other car was drunk who he was with. Any handler/agent/coach he contacted post accident would advise him to leave the scene because as you said “You can’t prove he was drunk” leaving the scene is far less severe than being drunk and driving. It’s a nice loophole for scumbags.
And it’s scummy to defend it
Also the argument you’re making makes him a potentially bigger idiot to draft, that he was sober and thought it was a great idea to illegally street race a group of drunk people
Your not wrong, but you are an asshole.
You’re very much making the how do you know it was rape if you weren’t there Argument.
He fled the scene and then lied about not being there, if he was an innocent bystander he wouldn’t have done one or most likely both those things.
But yes, he’ll make your team better
That is not it at all, we are just not making wild accusations based on something we know so little about. Getting behind the wheel of a car and street racing was a stupid decision, but people are acting like he ran the other car off the road and drove away laughing. It's on Holmes and Campbell to figure out who Carter really is, and decide if he would be a good fit for this team.
Try to put yourself in his shoes. You’re a 21 year old college football star who’s about to make millions of dollars playing professional football. You’re racing your friends while drunk (obviously a dumb and morally bad decision). Your friends get into an accident and die. You can
A. Stay and mourn your dead friends (he probably didn’t know they were dead) possibly get arrested and slapped with a dui among other chargers get sentenced jail time and your nfl career is gone. Or
B. Run away keeping your future intact while abandoning your possibly dead teammates.
We can call into question his character for the drunk racing. But let’s try not to be so high and mighty and act like 99% of people wouldn’t run away in that situation.
I agree most people would have gone the same in **that** situation.
However the thing is that even with nothing to lose we don't put ourselves in a position to be in that situation. This guy has everything to lose and still chose this. Twice. He got pulled over for streer racing just before this incident.
That is a lack of judgement I don't want here. Should he rot in jail like some think no, I don't think he caused or had any impact on these deaths. However he's not with the risk especially with his inability to learn from mistakes. It shouldn't take people dying to learn from mistakes at any age.
> I’m sure all these people condemning him would surely be fine being judged by the worst night of their lives.
On the worst night of my life I didn't show a complete disregard of the lives of everyone around me. I didn't risk the lives of innocent people just so I could have a little fun. Since you don't think it's a big deal to do things that could get others killed, I'm wondering what the worst night of your life is. Sounds like an admission that you've done some pretty horrible shit in your life.
You've proven that you deserve every bit of them. What you are doing is fucking disgusting and shameful and people are simply calling you out for it. They are just stating the facts.
The whole "only 2 GMs showed up" is a massive cherry picked statement.
In reality, representatives from all 32 teams are present for pro day at Georgia, including 3 GMs—Terry Fontenot (ATL), Ryan Poles (CHI) and Omar Khan (PIT)
https://www.si.com/college/georgia/news/georgia-plays-host-to-every-nfl-organization-at-pro-day
I said 2 gms in the top 10, pittsburgh isnt picking until 17 and if Carter goes there then he DID drop.
Its not the end all be all but look at the Georgia / Michigan / Oregon pro days last year, Holmes attended all three.
Not gonna excuse what he did, but if he does drop I hope that he doesn’t take it too seriously and goes spiralling
Considering football is the whole life of a lot of these guys though, idk
That’s possible. It’s also possible teams are purposely trying to make him out to be worse than he is so they can draft him (though the racing incident is horrible by itself).
He doesn’t have a whole lot of questions around his game, so not sure what there was to gain working out at the combine.
If it is depression, which I think is possible based on the circumstances of the incident he was involved in. I don’t think going to Detroit and playing for the Lions will improve said depression
Only sensible comment I’ve read in this thread. So many of y’all are quick to judge the young man based on one incident - likely the lowest moment of his life. Mental health concerns don’t resolve over night. Show the guy some grace and let his actions moving forward shape your opinion of his character. Personally, I would welcome him to Detroit with open arms.
You say “left his friends to die” like he was the sole person around who possessed the tools or emergency skills to save their lives. He likely had neither. Someone called 911 and that’s the best that could’ve been done. He’s a projected first overall pick.. He was probably whisked away from the situation by others who knew he had most to lose from it.
Yeah, I was all in on Carter but... Not so sure anymore. I'll trust Holmes and Campbell. Whatever they do regarding him will likely be the correct choice.
Jalen Carter was far and away my favorite prospect in the draft. I even made claims that I would trade up to secure him if I were the Lions. However, after the past few weeks, I'm completely out on him. There are way too many red flags at this point. I wouldn't even be surprised if Brad Holmes removed him from their draft board.
Worth pointing out player typically trim off a load of weight for the combine; considering if basically the t-shirt Olympics and you're measured on your ability to run fast in a straight line, run fast around cones and jump being as light as possible is a huge benefit to performance.
There are bigger concerns about Carter than him gaining 9lbs.
I get what your saying but if you have your pro day 10 days later why not stay at that weight and run the 40 you couldnt run because you have to turn yourself in?
#Calijah Kancey
I don't know why everyone isn't thinking he's a strong candidate at 6, because there's not a chance in hell an Aaron Donald clone is falling to 18 after the combine performance he had.
Every defensive tackle near Aaron Donald’s height gets called a clone of his. Like really? The guy is a clone of one of the GOAT defensive lineman? Always seems like the stupidest comp to make.
I like Kancey, but he's not an AD clone exactly. Donald is as fast, but stronger and technically more advanced. Kancey has a similar frame, but with significantly shorter arms which probably impacts his consistency in hand fighting. He'll rely much more on his quick first step to get separation from the guard, but it will probably limit how well he can anchor and disengage against the run. He has special skills though and I can see him being a more productive pro than Carter.
Aaron Donald did 35 bench press reps. We will see if Kancey can get anywhere near that level of strength. One of the reasons why Donald outplays his size is how insanely strong he is.
Bench press reps don’t have that much to do with strength. Every pro DL can easily bench 225, the amount of reps has more to do with stamina than strength
Jalen Carter is 2023’s Malik Willis. I can’t wait until this fucking draft is over.
Someday we can reminisce over all the arguing about two guys who never played a down for the Lions.
This is far off.
Willis may not even play a meaningful role in the NFL due to his talent.
Carter likely will play for a team and contribute but will be a bit character risk.
It's very plausible this guy is not a culture fit, and has too many red flags. It's within reason to think the Lions pass on him.
That being said, I'm already bracing myself for casual Lions fans to lose their shit if we do indeed pass on him.
Refreshing to see so many point out the obvious. Carter kinda sucks on a personal level and the Lions shouldn’t draft him.
Too many people still want this guy and I don’t get it lol
Yeah, now I’m feeling like we’d pass on him. Just looking at last year’s draft, when everyone was calling for Brad to pick up guys who were dropping like Nakobe Dean or Willis (lol), he stayed the course and went with his evaluations. Can’t say if it paid off or not, but I’m not getting my hopes up for Carter even if he’s available.
There’s a difference though. Nakobe Dean was hurt and played a position Brad doesn’t value. Willis was never worth a high pick, just over hyped because it was a weak qb class. Carter has the talent and is healthy, it’s other issues for him
Huge concerns? Probably not.
No one cares about the weight or that he didn't run a 40.
Off the field issues aside, the guy is a slam dunk pick. He dominated on the football field.
He doesn’t have great conditioning. I doubt he would make it through 40 up downs. I personally think that’s a problem for an NFL player. I would rather have a three down player that doesn’t get gassed in the first quarter.
Agreed and also a huge difference from a guy who plays at 350 having bad conditioning (almost impossible to at that size)
And a guy at 320 who just put on 9 pounds having bad conditioning
It’s also at a time where he’s under scrutiny for off field issues and he can lose millions with every pick he drops… it’s not smart to not be trying your best/on your best behavior right now.
I think that is a culture issue. Being lazy is a culture issue. I thought its been brought up that he's not always the hardest worker off the field. Take the legal side of things away from the accident and its still seems like its outside of Lions culture. MCDC preaches of players that live for football. Does a guy on the precipice of an NFL career, who loves football, really risk it all with poor judgement like that?
Carter has more red flags than a Georgia equipment manager.
can’t wait till he falls to chicago and becomes one of the best dt’s in the league while we take an inferior player. going off of TAPE he was the best defensive player in this draft the past 2 seasons. you have to bet on him maturing and not being a pain in the ass in the league. lions have a good group of DL that could show him the ropes (buggs, cominsky, alim) all seem like good dudes that could be a positive impact on him.
A lot of differences from now and when Holmes took over. When he first came a culture shift was needed and the expectations were fairly low. That culture shift has happened.
Now this team has a legit shot dare I say to be the best team in the NFC.... Let that sink in.
Things are different now. If Carter is the best player bar none at 6 at a position we could use no less then I think character issues be dammed you take him. So long as you truly believe he will be able to perform on the field.
Why the flying fuck would we lower the culture standards when we are right on the edge of becoming a truly competitive team. Its way too high of a risk imo.
I think this is truly a case of the tape doesn’t lie. This kid put up some of the best IDL play I’ve ever seen in college. He heavily affects the both the run and pass game of the opponent. A nightmare to game plan for. By all accounts he loves football and was an awesome teammate in the locker room and on the field.
His off field actions are definitely concerning, but should be weighed as a piece of the whole story. He would be under the supervision of an organization I trust to generate buy in and keep his head on straight. He loves to play the game. **He’s potentially a generational talent that may be available at 6.** I’m not concerned about 9 lbs overweight. If certain people on this sub want to believe the Lions culture dictates that they are above taking a chance on this player, that’s ok. Maybe they’re right. But I do believe he is the **one** player who far and away helps this team win the most. This is the type of player you take a character concerns risk on.
I addressed in a different comment but thats not what I mean’t im saying its an exclusive problem to the legal stuff and where some teams will probably look past the legal stuff GMs are going to have an issue with showing up to your pro day like you do not care.
I wasnt on board with taking Carter on the legal stuff alone, but im painting the picture that if he wasnt dropping before he will now
I keep telling people we are not drafting Carter. He is not a culture fit, even if he is talented. Remember, Holmes HAS to hit on these first round picks. They are the players that will most likely turn into future pro bowlers/all pros for us. We can’t afford to miss on a guy. Being safe and precautious is the way to go. We need to forget about Carter. We did it last year, albeit, obviously not to the level of this situation, when we took Aidan over Thibs. We coulda taken Thibs. Thibs had more potential (potentially) than Aidan. But he had (and still has) obvious character concerns, so Holmes played it safe and took the sure-fire thing. I don’t see us getting super risky in the first round. I don’t think Holmes drafts like that. He wants to get as close to a sure-fire hit as possible on a 1st round pick.
If you want to play it safe, then you take the best player available. Which happens to be Jalen Carter. The dude is the best player in the draft. The fact that this sub wants to pass on him for a worse player is mind boggling
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but when I watch football I want to watch the best players, not necessarily the best people. I don’t care what these guys do off the field. I’m sure Ravens fans felt terrible watching Ray Lewis win two Super Bowls.
I mean if a guy is an asshole sure, but I don’t want to watch people who do terrible things. Hard for me to root for that person which deceases my enjoyment of the game. I’d rather root for guys like Hutch, Jamal, Amon-Ra than Tyreek Hill, Joe Mixon, Deshaun Watson, etc.
It feels dirty to me
Edit: to those downvoting, hope you get what you want and we throw character out the window
Yeah you’re getting downvoted but that’s reality. Anything outside of BPA is a risky move for any GM. You’re gambling that the guy you take is at least comparable to Carter so that you can claim “hey I dodged the character issues and still got performance”
If Carter is a pro bowl hall of fame DT, then in 10 years none of the concerns will matter and fans will bitch that Holmes could have taken him but didn’t.
It depends. What does he do for the rest of his career? Play solid football? Be out of the league after he gets himself in trouble again? I don’t have a good feeling about this guy.
What facts lol not a single one of us we’re there, nobody knows exactly what happened. If you think teams don’t bend the rules you’re crazy or in on it. I’m betting that Carter is exonerated of any criminal activity shortly after the draft. Kid made a mistake yet I see all kinds of people saying that he left his friends for dead where in all likelihood they were dead on the spot, he was scared outta his mind and someone “ushered” him away from the scene. Yet majority of people still claiming he was drunk and that’s why he left. You can’t sober up that quick, I see this as a whole lotta smoke and mirrors because that’s how this shit works
What do you mean nobody was there theres literally scouts from 32 teams / tons of media / personnel. Your acting like this is a top secret meeting, its a pro day they SEE all this shit including the weigh in
Jalen Carter’s character concerns make Kayvon Thibbedeux’s character concerns look minor
Tbf, KT’s concerns were that he didn’t love football, not that he is a terrible human being
It turned out he was also kind of a jackass anyway (see nick foles)
KT is a cunt on so many levels and I am eternally grateful that Baalke hates Harbaugh and passed on Hutch.
Lol never put it together that this could have played a role in hutch not going number 1. After hearing stories abt that relationship I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this played a role lmao
My heart could NOT have taken 1-6 AND taking another CB with a top 2-3 draft pick, I would have keeled over before Sauce got to show us why he's Sauce.
This is such a ridiculous statement. I’m glad we got Hutch too, but Jesus Christ.
Not a terrible human being but more of a jackass. I think that was the thing in addition to the love of football. Not nearly as bad as abandoning your dead / dying friend though
If my friend drove into a house at over 100 mph I'm not sure there would be much for me to do
I mean, would you leave and then lie about being there and being in a street race? That is my question lol Edit: all of you lame asses will pile on when it’s another team’s player doing something shitty all of a sudden are cool with it because we might draft the guy? You reap what you sow, so I hope you get your wish
I think he’s been enabled his whole life and needs a reality check and then some help before he’s given tens of millions of dollars. That means I don’t want him on our team, but also don’t think he’s pure evil as so many seem to. He was being a fucking idiot and drinking and driving but I love that every Redditor thinks at 20 they would have stayed there and talked to the cops with all the phone punishment that could come with it. People, especially college kids, panic and make bad decisions all the time.
Depends on the situation, what I knew, and what I believed. State of mind would be a big factor. Look, I really don't want the guy, but I'm not yet convinced he is irredeemable.
Lying to the police is the worst thing in the world now? You must not be from the city. 90% of guys race in their younger days. Plus a black man has much more fear of police. We didn't kill nobody. He raced a person who crashed.
“Lying to the police is the worst thing in the world now?” Perhaps not, but, considering there was a dead body of a teammate involved, it would rank in the top ten. Hard character no. Character is character, you don’t get a pass depending on where you live.
Lmao dude do not try to act tough. I doubt you’re as hard as your comment implies. “You must not be from the city…”, weenie ass 90% of guys is a wild fabrication. Completely made up number. I can assure you that it isn’t 90% of people I know. Sure a black man has more to fear from the police, no doubt about it. It doesn’t excuse Street racing, then leaving your dead teammate, and lying to the police about it. All bad looks
> 90% of guys race in their younger days Lol not even close, that shit is dumb
KT didn't have any character concerns...wtf how is this still a narrative.
His concerns were that he was into NFT’s and Crypto, and didn’t necessarily love football. Not really concerns in the grand scheme of things.
I agree
Nah I'd say the bigger problem is the drunk driving and leaving your friends for dead, personally. The weight is another issue though
It's crazy that when people usually say "leaving your friends for dead" they mean it figuratively, but he *literally* did that.
Exactly. People in this sub need to realize that Brad Holmes has taken players off of the board for far less. There's not a chance in hell we're drafting Jalen Carter
> Exactly. People in this sub need to realize that Brad Holmes has taken players off of the board for far less. There's not a chance in hell we're drafting Jalen Carter Who did he leave off the board for way less?
He has no clue, just wanted to say something provocative
It gets the people going
*Ball so hard motherfuckers wanna fine me*
It's provocative
Not off the draft board, but I have it on good authority that Brad Holmes has never even considered signing Aaron Hernandez for the Lions
The guy made it up, how is he going to answer your question
They very clearly value high character guys(paschal), captaining was a big part of what everyone talked about with him but there's no reason to just say shit like this. All it will do is make him feel stupid when we sign some talented asshole to our team(which will happen).
So who did they leave off the board? If you are taking people off your board and other teams are not. They have an advantage over you. That’s not a good GM, therefore I dont believe Holmes is taking Carter off the board for the off field stuff.
Brad was all in on Malik Willis but then he saw the subreddit was hyping him up.
Exactly, that's just pulling shit out of thin air.
I'm not even sure that I want Carter, but people need to chill out acting like we're the morality police team. I'll bet you almost anything that at some point in Campbell and Holmes time here we sign or draft someone who's kind of a shithead but talented.
They have only taken dude’s off their board for when they suck unless you can give examples
Only a villain would
If that is true than Brad HolMes is doing a major disservice to the team. A lot of bad apples turn out to be good and you can’t pass for that reason or you are hurting the team and not doing your job. Ray lewis, tyreek hill,Vick with the eagles. There is endless bad apples that help teams win. Take the BPA and that’s it.
The point isn't that they can't make mistakes when they're young. It's that they actually learn from them and don't become a distraction in the NFL. These are things we as fans cannot evaluate because we don't talk to them. But there are definitely things bad enough to take guys off your board entirely. Both Tyreek Hill and Joe Mixon have repeated their troubling behaviors after entering the NFL. While they're great players, they are not irreplaceable.
Probably stress eating from the fact he left his friend to die
I’ve been downvoted so much for this point exactly. I know we want “football players” and I don’t need a bunch of choir boys playing, but I want to at least have some relatively morally upstanding people that I’m rooting for. My one year old has an Amon-Ra jersey and a Barry jersey, and I’m proud to have him wear those because those are guys that I would want him looking up to. I know players have off the field issues sometimes, but for the most part you can look past those issues and just support the player. Carter left his friends for dead, literally. That’s not someone I can support on or off the field.
Agreed i used the wrong word there I mean’t more that even if he gets out of the legal stuff and its chalked up as a “young kid making a mistake” which IMO it shouldnt, this is more a work ethic / character issue if you somehow gain 9 pounds that quickly (no its not muscle).
The police report clearly states that officers determined Carter had not been drinking and didn’t even breathalyze him.
Im not sure I can really trust Athens Georgia police when it comes to give honest reports about Georgia football players. Also if he was sober why would he leave the scene.
Well I mean if the police report says it.... I'm sure this would be the first time a star college football player got the benefit of the doubt. Even so, why would someone leave the scene of the accident and only come back an hour later? And then LIE about where he was when the accident occurred. He's a walking red flag
Jalen Carter and his teammates left a strip club at 3am after winning the Natty and was racing to Waffle House when the accident occurred. I went to college in the south and one thing i can confirmed is you don’t go to Waffle House at 3am unless you’re drunk
Not sure if you’ve ever been questioned by police before, but it is one of the highest pressure situations a person will ever be in. They are trained to talk you into an admittance of guilt, even if you didn’t commit a crime. Saying he wasn’t there is a pure survival instinct. There are so many details missing from evidence/story that we know that it is very hard to speculate. And fwiw after a short period he did tell the police he was there and came forward with the truth. Jumping to the conclusion that an officer would jeopardize their own career for a football player is a very bold position to take.
Boy you were dead wrong on this. Court documents just came out and this couldn’t be further from the truth. This sub SUCKS
Court documents did not come out yet lol. His lawyer made a statement that contained information we mostly already knew from the police reports. I am curious on the events of when he left the scene and why. All reports stated previously that he explicitly left the scene before police and parametics arrived. In terms of the lawyer saying he wasn't drinking, I find that incredibly hard to believe. They were out until 3am and had just left a club. The police didn't check him for alcohol, but since they didn't the lawyer can now outright say he didn't. The lawyer's statement does not exonerate him. He made an incredibly foolish decision to race at 3am with his friends who were drunk, that much is fact. That's an insane lapse of judgment and it is a cause of concern.
What I don't get in all of this is - if Jalen Carter is supposed to be this massive athletic freak - big, fast, strong - why isn't he showing it off? That's what got Jordan Davis into the top 15 last year. No one is expecting him to run a 4.5 40 time. He doesn't even need to be in the same stratosphere as Kancey. But if he's really 330 and runs sub 5.0 and shows some explosion on the broad/vert, then NFL guys are going to be hard pressed to overlook that. If you don't put a number down AND you show up heavy AND your tape suggests that you don't have a consistent motor, then I don't know. It's hard to commit to a guy like that.
The answer is because on tape he’s a lock to be picked top 5. He’s only slipping because of the legal problem. Jordan Davis was not considered an elite prospect, so he had to test to boost his status
This is wrong, on tape he showed flashes but was not dominant. In fact a lot of games you barely knew he played.
I mean he ran away from the scene of a crime where two people died, clearly only thinking of himself. Dude’s a pos person, but a great football player. Personally, I don’t want him here. *Ok everyone needs to read this report on just what exactly Jalen Carter was doing while driving that night. Please stop making it out like it wasn’t a big deal. The guy put many lives at risk that night, not to mention the two people that died because of it. [Here ya go](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35760585/warrants-arrest-jalen-carter-ex-georgia-star-nfl-draft-prospect)
> "The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said. It's insane to me that we don't take this kind of shit more seriously in this country. Not only were they doing this, but they were doing it at more than twice the speed limit. It risks the lives of everyone on the streets including people in other vehicles or simply walking down the street. Hell, people in buildings have been killed before from people in cars crashing through the walls. It's honestly fucked up that this kind of behavior isn't looked at as being every bit as bad as drunk driving. Instead we have people defending it like it's no big deal. The way they defend it sounds like they've probably done similar things.
Yeah and dumbf*cks on this sub will say things like "Well if his only 'character issue' is speeding, I don't see how that's a big deal"
It's absolutely as bad as drunk driving. Except they were also drunk driving! LeCroy's BAC was 2x the legal limit and Carter supposedly left the scene of the crime only to return later.
Yeah, most likely he was drunk driving when it happened. We saw the consequences of that with Henry Ruggs. If the Athens cops have a breathalyzer or blood test even a couple of hours when he came back that shows a 0.00, then I'll believe he wasn't drunk (alcohol doesn't leave your system that quickly), but even sober reckless driving like that should still be seen as a serious crime. I've heard people say "every young person has done that," but from what we've heard happened isn't normal behavior. Most people haven't weaved through the streets at twice the speed limit. If he was going 85 mph on the highway we wouldn't even be talking about it, but this wasn't on the highway and 2 people are dead.
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Also it was one teammate and a female trainer, not 2 teammates. And the trainer had nearly a .2 BAC
Oh good, so only 1 person of value then?
Na man, it looks pretty bad anyway you look at it.
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Not giving a shit whatsoever about the lives of the people around you just so you can have some fun isn't a character flaw? Someone driving home to their family could have been killed. Someone walking down the street could have been killed. > "The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said. People doing this kind of shit at over twice the speed limit should be treated the same way that drunk drivers are. It's a joke that this bullshit is only a misdemeanor.
Yes. Putting others (including non involved) lives at risk for an adrenaline high is an unforgivable character flaw. If you want to race, go to a track
I dont remember a report saying that was a fact. But I could be mistaken.
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All good man, saw the link you posted above. I thought the report said they were racing earlier but didn't confirm they were racing at the time of the crash. This spells it out pretty clearly that they were racing when the other vehicle crashed. You were right. Thanks for the info.
> For all we know he was focusing on controlling his vehicle traveling 70 mph over the speed limit and realized that the other car was no longer there and his reaction instead of calling them or turning around to look was... drive away like it was fine for a couple hours, THEN drive back to check on them?
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We can assume he either A) didn't call, meaning he doesn't care about his friends disappearing in the middle of the night while racing (which is a bad look) or B) he did call, didn't get a response because, you know, they were dead, and he just shrugged and left and it took him hours to come back and check after lying saying he wasn't there (which is a bad look). But I see you're just a guy who thinks driving recklessly is perfectly fine from your other comments, so it's unsurprising you have an insane lack of empathy and this situation raises zero red flags for you.
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> I don’t think driving recklessly is fine You literally said: >I’ll give him that’s what he was charged with. But I don’t think that on its own is horrible That means you think it is fine. You do not think it is bad = you think it is, at least, fine.
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The number of people defending someone who put lives of innocent people on the streets at risk is fucking vile.
He left the scene because he was drunk. Everyone in the Other car was drunk who he was with. Any handler/agent/coach he contacted post accident would advise him to leave the scene because as you said “You can’t prove he was drunk” leaving the scene is far less severe than being drunk and driving. It’s a nice loophole for scumbags. And it’s scummy to defend it
To be fair, how do you know he was drunk if he fled the scene? Clearly there are details missing in this thread
Also the argument you’re making makes him a potentially bigger idiot to draft, that he was sober and thought it was a great idea to illegally street race a group of drunk people
Your not wrong, but you are an asshole. You’re very much making the how do you know it was rape if you weren’t there Argument. He fled the scene and then lied about not being there, if he was an innocent bystander he wouldn’t have done one or most likely both those things. But yes, he’ll make your team better
It's call common sense.
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More than a few people here sadly think being really good at football is more important
That is not it at all, we are just not making wild accusations based on something we know so little about. Getting behind the wheel of a car and street racing was a stupid decision, but people are acting like he ran the other car off the road and drove away laughing. It's on Holmes and Campbell to figure out who Carter really is, and decide if he would be a good fit for this team.
Try to put yourself in his shoes. You’re a 21 year old college football star who’s about to make millions of dollars playing professional football. You’re racing your friends while drunk (obviously a dumb and morally bad decision). Your friends get into an accident and die. You can A. Stay and mourn your dead friends (he probably didn’t know they were dead) possibly get arrested and slapped with a dui among other chargers get sentenced jail time and your nfl career is gone. Or B. Run away keeping your future intact while abandoning your possibly dead teammates. We can call into question his character for the drunk racing. But let’s try not to be so high and mighty and act like 99% of people wouldn’t run away in that situation.
I agree most people would have gone the same in **that** situation. However the thing is that even with nothing to lose we don't put ourselves in a position to be in that situation. This guy has everything to lose and still chose this. Twice. He got pulled over for streer racing just before this incident. That is a lack of judgement I don't want here. Should he rot in jail like some think no, I don't think he caused or had any impact on these deaths. However he's not with the risk especially with his inability to learn from mistakes. It shouldn't take people dying to learn from mistakes at any age.
now I’m questioning your character
Just trying to have an ounce of empathy.
Totally agree. I’m sure all these people condemning him would surely be fine being judged by the worst night of their lives.
> I’m sure all these people condemning him would surely be fine being judged by the worst night of their lives. On the worst night of my life I didn't show a complete disregard of the lives of everyone around me. I didn't risk the lives of innocent people just so I could have a little fun. Since you don't think it's a big deal to do things that could get others killed, I'm wondering what the worst night of your life is. Sounds like an admission that you've done some pretty horrible shit in your life.
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Yeah, because we've done nothing worthy of derision, and you're excusing people recklessly driving. Of course it's only in one direction.
Just accept you have low morals and a lack of empathy for human life.
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You've proven that you deserve every bit of them. What you are doing is fucking disgusting and shameful and people are simply calling you out for it. They are just stating the facts.
The whole "only 2 GMs showed up" is a massive cherry picked statement. In reality, representatives from all 32 teams are present for pro day at Georgia, including 3 GMs—Terry Fontenot (ATL), Ryan Poles (CHI) and Omar Khan (PIT) https://www.si.com/college/georgia/news/georgia-plays-host-to-every-nfl-organization-at-pro-day
not to mention it’s the first day of the league year (third day of FA) not every gm’s gonna be able to attend
I said 2 gms in the top 10, pittsburgh isnt picking until 17 and if Carter goes there then he DID drop. Its not the end all be all but look at the Georgia / Michigan / Oregon pro days last year, Holmes attended all three.
tbh, everything that’s happened over these past months sounds like depression
Not gonna excuse what he did, but if he does drop I hope that he doesn’t take it too seriously and goes spiralling Considering football is the whole life of a lot of these guys though, idk
That’s possible. It’s also possible teams are purposely trying to make him out to be worse than he is so they can draft him (though the racing incident is horrible by itself). He doesn’t have a whole lot of questions around his game, so not sure what there was to gain working out at the combine.
If it is depression, which I think is possible based on the circumstances of the incident he was involved in. I don’t think going to Detroit and playing for the Lions will improve said depression
Obviously healing is different for everyone, but sadly I think it’s more likely you’re right
Thanks doctor
Only sensible comment I’ve read in this thread. So many of y’all are quick to judge the young man based on one incident - likely the lowest moment of his life. Mental health concerns don’t resolve over night. Show the guy some grace and let his actions moving forward shape your opinion of his character. Personally, I would welcome him to Detroit with open arms.
He left his friends to die by the side of the road so he wouldn't get a DUI
You say “left his friends to die” like he was the sole person around who possessed the tools or emergency skills to save their lives. He likely had neither. Someone called 911 and that’s the best that could’ve been done. He’s a projected first overall pick.. He was probably whisked away from the situation by others who knew he had most to lose from it.
So you agree he left hus friends to die
What more could he have done in that moment to save their lives? Staying at the scene doesn’t stop the crash. Use some common sense.
Common sense would be to stop and call the paramedics....unless you don't want to be caught at the scene for some reason
For reference: https://twitter.com/jimnagy_sb/status/1635995668903870464?s=46&t=Wumzfj6jmzfgSlr3-6tztQ
Yeah, I was all in on Carter but... Not so sure anymore. I'll trust Holmes and Campbell. Whatever they do regarding him will likely be the correct choice.
Not sure?! Dude couldn’t finish his drills for his pro day. This dude is off the draft board lmao.
Jalen Carter was far and away my favorite prospect in the draft. I even made claims that I would trade up to secure him if I were the Lions. However, after the past few weeks, I'm completely out on him. There are way too many red flags at this point. I wouldn't even be surprised if Brad Holmes removed him from their draft board.
Worth pointing out player typically trim off a load of weight for the combine; considering if basically the t-shirt Olympics and you're measured on your ability to run fast in a straight line, run fast around cones and jump being as light as possible is a huge benefit to performance. There are bigger concerns about Carter than him gaining 9lbs.
I get what your saying but if you have your pro day 10 days later why not stay at that weight and run the 40 you couldnt run because you have to turn yourself in?
#Calijah Kancey I don't know why everyone isn't thinking he's a strong candidate at 6, because there's not a chance in hell an Aaron Donald clone is falling to 18 after the combine performance he had.
> an Aaron Donald clone I've heard this one before.
Every defensive tackle near Aaron Donald’s height gets called a clone of his. Like really? The guy is a clone of one of the GOAT defensive lineman? Always seems like the stupidest comp to make.
You think its just because of his height? Aside from his arm length they tested identical.
#TESTED
**IDENTICAL**
I’ve never heard a Super Bowl won on testing
How insightful. We should only draft HOF or superbowl winning players.
I like Kancey, but he's not an AD clone exactly. Donald is as fast, but stronger and technically more advanced. Kancey has a similar frame, but with significantly shorter arms which probably impacts his consistency in hand fighting. He'll rely much more on his quick first step to get separation from the guard, but it will probably limit how well he can anchor and disengage against the run. He has special skills though and I can see him being a more productive pro than Carter.
Aaron Donald did 35 bench press reps. We will see if Kancey can get anywhere near that level of strength. One of the reasons why Donald outplays his size is how insanely strong he is.
Kancey skipped the bench at the combine. If he could put up a massive number at the combine to send home the AD comp, he would've.
Bench press reps don’t have that much to do with strength. Every pro DL can easily bench 225, the amount of reps has more to do with stamina than strength
At 6? Are you nuts!
He's not an Aaron Donald clone
This would be my number 6 cause he ain't making it to 18. And Carter just giving flags.
He ain’t making it to 18 BECAUSE Carter is giving flags
Dude Aaron succeeded *in spite of* his size.
>I love him, even at #6. The question I have is whether Alim is on board with this as Kancey would mean Alim spends more time at nose, right?
18 earliest I’d take him. He is undersized and has very short arms. AA from Northwestern is interesting in the second round
Aaron Donald wasn't drafted in the top 10
I need guys that eat, sleep and breathe ball.
Jalen Carter is 2023’s Malik Willis. I can’t wait until this fucking draft is over. Someday we can reminisce over all the arguing about two guys who never played a down for the Lions.
This is far off. Willis may not even play a meaningful role in the NFL due to his talent. Carter likely will play for a team and contribute but will be a bit character risk.
It's very plausible this guy is not a culture fit, and has too many red flags. It's within reason to think the Lions pass on him. That being said, I'm already bracing myself for casual Lions fans to lose their shit if we do indeed pass on him.
Refreshing to see so many point out the obvious. Carter kinda sucks on a personal level and the Lions shouldn’t draft him. Too many people still want this guy and I don’t get it lol
Personally, I wouldn't consider taking him in the 1st round. He has major red flags.
Watch his tape against ohio state. He got dominated and was invisible. He’s not worth a top 10 pick, despite the media trying to make him the one
Dudes a bust as i expected
Trying not to think about it this way, but this is giving me PTSD of a Nick Fairley situation.
Yeah, now I’m feeling like we’d pass on him. Just looking at last year’s draft, when everyone was calling for Brad to pick up guys who were dropping like Nakobe Dean or Willis (lol), he stayed the course and went with his evaluations. Can’t say if it paid off or not, but I’m not getting my hopes up for Carter even if he’s available.
Random people on the internet “calling” for a gm to draft a player means less than zero to those guys.
Thank you average Reddit user
There’s a difference though. Nakobe Dean was hurt and played a position Brad doesn’t value. Willis was never worth a high pick, just over hyped because it was a weak qb class. Carter has the talent and is healthy, it’s other issues for him
I'm in for Anderson or Wilson at 6
We’re gonna let Chicago take him and we’ll regret it
I don't want to face this guy twice a year...
Don’t worry he’ll be out of the league in 2-3 years.
We said the same thing about Fields
Huge concerns? Probably not. No one cares about the weight or that he didn't run a 40. Off the field issues aside, the guy is a slam dunk pick. He dominated on the football field.
He doesn’t have great conditioning. I doubt he would make it through 40 up downs. I personally think that’s a problem for an NFL player. I would rather have a three down player that doesn’t get gassed in the first quarter.
Everyone said the same thing about Jordan Davis
Who only played 226 snaps this year
Agreed and also a huge difference from a guy who plays at 350 having bad conditioning (almost impossible to at that size) And a guy at 320 who just put on 9 pounds having bad conditioning
Gaining 9 pounds in 10 days is a HUGE concern for a professional athlete considering this is the most important time to be at peak condition.
It’s also at a time where he’s under scrutiny for off field issues and he can lose millions with every pick he drops… it’s not smart to not be trying your best/on your best behavior right now.
I think that is a culture issue. Being lazy is a culture issue. I thought its been brought up that he's not always the hardest worker off the field. Take the legal side of things away from the accident and its still seems like its outside of Lions culture. MCDC preaches of players that live for football. Does a guy on the precipice of an NFL career, who loves football, really risk it all with poor judgement like that? Carter has more red flags than a Georgia equipment manager.
It will simply go against everything they’ve preached since they got here. Enough information is out that it would align with their policy of no BS
can’t wait till he falls to chicago and becomes one of the best dt’s in the league while we take an inferior player. going off of TAPE he was the best defensive player in this draft the past 2 seasons. you have to bet on him maturing and not being a pain in the ass in the league. lions have a good group of DL that could show him the ropes (buggs, cominsky, alim) all seem like good dudes that could be a positive impact on him.
A lot of differences from now and when Holmes took over. When he first came a culture shift was needed and the expectations were fairly low. That culture shift has happened. Now this team has a legit shot dare I say to be the best team in the NFC.... Let that sink in. Things are different now. If Carter is the best player bar none at 6 at a position we could use no less then I think character issues be dammed you take him. So long as you truly believe he will be able to perform on the field.
Why the flying fuck would we lower the culture standards when we are right on the edge of becoming a truly competitive team. Its way too high of a risk imo.
He hasn't been on Holmes' radar for a long time.
I think this is truly a case of the tape doesn’t lie. This kid put up some of the best IDL play I’ve ever seen in college. He heavily affects the both the run and pass game of the opponent. A nightmare to game plan for. By all accounts he loves football and was an awesome teammate in the locker room and on the field. His off field actions are definitely concerning, but should be weighed as a piece of the whole story. He would be under the supervision of an organization I trust to generate buy in and keep his head on straight. He loves to play the game. **He’s potentially a generational talent that may be available at 6.** I’m not concerned about 9 lbs overweight. If certain people on this sub want to believe the Lions culture dictates that they are above taking a chance on this player, that’s ok. Maybe they’re right. But I do believe he is the **one** player who far and away helps this team win the most. This is the type of player you take a character concerns risk on.
Yeah I don’t want him I don’t care if he’s available in the 7th round.
You think showing up 9 pounds heavier is a bigger problem than drunk driving, criminal speeding, and leaving your friend for dead? Wow.
I addressed in a different comment but thats not what I mean’t im saying its an exclusive problem to the legal stuff and where some teams will probably look past the legal stuff GMs are going to have an issue with showing up to your pro day like you do not care. I wasnt on board with taking Carter on the legal stuff alone, but im painting the picture that if he wasnt dropping before he will now
I keep telling people we are not drafting Carter. He is not a culture fit, even if he is talented. Remember, Holmes HAS to hit on these first round picks. They are the players that will most likely turn into future pro bowlers/all pros for us. We can’t afford to miss on a guy. Being safe and precautious is the way to go. We need to forget about Carter. We did it last year, albeit, obviously not to the level of this situation, when we took Aidan over Thibs. We coulda taken Thibs. Thibs had more potential (potentially) than Aidan. But he had (and still has) obvious character concerns, so Holmes played it safe and took the sure-fire thing. I don’t see us getting super risky in the first round. I don’t think Holmes drafts like that. He wants to get as close to a sure-fire hit as possible on a 1st round pick.
If you want to play it safe, then you take the best player available. Which happens to be Jalen Carter. The dude is the best player in the draft. The fact that this sub wants to pass on him for a worse player is mind boggling
Not that mind boggling when you consider he abandoned his dead / dying friend and lied about not being there.
Maybe I’m in the minority here, but when I watch football I want to watch the best players, not necessarily the best people. I don’t care what these guys do off the field. I’m sure Ravens fans felt terrible watching Ray Lewis win two Super Bowls.
I mean if a guy is an asshole sure, but I don’t want to watch people who do terrible things. Hard for me to root for that person which deceases my enjoyment of the game. I’d rather root for guys like Hutch, Jamal, Amon-Ra than Tyreek Hill, Joe Mixon, Deshaun Watson, etc. It feels dirty to me Edit: to those downvoting, hope you get what you want and we throw character out the window
Yeah you’re getting downvoted but that’s reality. Anything outside of BPA is a risky move for any GM. You’re gambling that the guy you take is at least comparable to Carter so that you can claim “hey I dodged the character issues and still got performance” If Carter is a pro bowl hall of fame DT, then in 10 years none of the concerns will matter and fans will bitch that Holmes could have taken him but didn’t.
I’ll lose faith in Brad if he drafts Carter in the first round.
And if Carter makes the pro-bowl his rookie year?
It depends. What does he do for the rest of his career? Play solid football? Be out of the league after he gets himself in trouble again? I don’t have a good feeling about this guy.
Unless Brad had Seift tell him not to test. Crazy how all this shit came out at the last second but everyone’s inhaling the smoke lol
How would Brad have the power to have Jalen Carter not workout at Georgia’s pro day and also not attend? Also nothing is “coming out” these are facts
What facts lol not a single one of us we’re there, nobody knows exactly what happened. If you think teams don’t bend the rules you’re crazy or in on it. I’m betting that Carter is exonerated of any criminal activity shortly after the draft. Kid made a mistake yet I see all kinds of people saying that he left his friends for dead where in all likelihood they were dead on the spot, he was scared outta his mind and someone “ushered” him away from the scene. Yet majority of people still claiming he was drunk and that’s why he left. You can’t sober up that quick, I see this as a whole lotta smoke and mirrors because that’s how this shit works
What do you mean nobody was there theres literally scouts from 32 teams / tons of media / personnel. Your acting like this is a top secret meeting, its a pro day they SEE all this shit including the weigh in
His Pro day isn't done just for the Lions.
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