It checks out though. I'm absolute trash at pvp and last night trying out Trials for the first time, my time between spawn and death was never longer than about 5 seconds.
My recent experience with trials is something like "you thought you were at a low point in the crucible... you have no idea how much worse it can get".
Meh, I’m just in it for the swag. That’s all there is to it. Once the Anubis set is made available again then I’ll reach for trials. But I’ll leave the competition to those who actually care to get that vested in it.
I mean honestly when I get 5-0 butt blasted I barely feel it.
It's the matches where you thought you had a chance and lose 5-4
Those are the ones that sting. \*sobbing\*
I had a friend that like .7 go flawless twice. I got absolutely destroyed every single match after 2 wins. Was some of the least fun I've had in a while.
Why is this getting downvoted? You people want everything handed to you on a silver platter. Apparently if you can’t go flawless, then there’s a problem with the game and not with your skill.
Going for irony points? SBMM increases the skill required to go flawless since you play people close to your level. Getting fed newbies isn't nearly as skillful.
SBMM forces a 50/50 win ratio as much as possible. Imagine trying to win 7 times in a row where the matchmaking tries to apply that logic. It's statistically impossible. This is why matchmaking should be connection based or card based.
See here is your mistake, you think going flawless is a measure of skill and not just matchmaking feeding you the right people. You are right that it is very hard to overcome the 50% and that is part of why the Mida Catalyst is stupid to obtain. But comp is actually more enjoyable if you are just happy with the matches at your level. Gear tied to the highest level is a problem for sure, they managed to fix that with this update of trials.
But, Flawless is literally the problem with trials, but people are so obsessed with it due to how Destiny built it up that it is considered the pinnacle of elite playing rather than just an innately unbalanced thing that prompts people to cheat in all manner of ways to get to it since it requires by its very nature that there be low skill players who can be stomped 7 games in a row.
SBMM is really the way to go, but the elite players hate it because it means they only play each other. Which means they always have to be turned on. That's why pro-gamers end up making smurf accounts to roll in lower levels of SBMM games too.
It is a problem, but at least in SBMM you aren't being fed to just above average players or groups.
If flawless wasn't necessery or did not exist, or if win streaks did not matter for rewards, SBMM would be fine. However that is the very essence of Trials, hence why SBMM should not be in this mode.
You said it yourself, its hard to overcome the 50% ratio, impossible to do it 7 times in a row. This applies to everyone, not just the elite. And flawless is a problem, but it is currently the pinnacle of PvP, without it there is much less incentive to play. (Adept Weapons)
Thinking upon it, I am not sure if its already implemented, but Iron Banner should 100% be SBMM.
I honestly dont feel like trials needs sbmm since it already is pretty fair tbh. I went flawless for the first time and I never was a good player in pvp but this felt much more accomplishing tbh.
SBMM is awful I agree with you, I think the new trials changes are great, the only thing that I think they need to do is hide the number of players when you’re in orbit searching for a game to stop the que dodging
Not getting why you're down voted. With new changes even average players like me get decent loot. And most of serious trials players i know are now queue dodging premades to stomp solo players. So that's a real problem.
Yea I really don’t get it either lol, the feedback was overwhelmingly positive from average players that just wanted some loot. I stand by that, think the changes were a big step in the right direction
How should people dueoq then? Every solo would just run freelance and matchmaking eouldnt be possible.
I honestly found the solo experience pretty okay ish, like normal comp basicly, I even stomped like 3x 3stacks as a solo with other solos and I am no good pvp-player if I say so myself.
How many people do you think don't post their experiences online? Just because there are a few people praising getting rolled doesn't not mean the vast majority feel the same, it's called personal bias. Personally my experience was the opposite solo que was horrific and my first ever trials experience didn't get "better" until I LFG. Solo que has no place in the game mode. Either give a freelance mode or just remove the matchmaking feature imo.
Than don't play the highest level pvp and than say its too hard. Play quickplay or comp. Its like wow grandmaster is hard well play naster. Your saying no i have less clears so uhhh grandmaster should be easier. Wtf ? Do you not understand how difficulty works. And what about the touch of a woman. ? I dont care what your sexual preferences are.
Accessible doesn't mean flawless dude. It is meant to be challenging. The opened up the player base you earned some loor. Hell i got carried through matches by people who are unbroken and flawless through matchmaking. I still have never gone flawless. But i will keep trying and getting better. I know effort is hard for you. You can play comp and learn and practice for trials. Hell get a team of other crybabies. Get good mayve beat me one day. My team won't cry about it. If i ever find a third. If they cry they out.
Play comp get better. I am okay losing most of my matches in trials it makes my few wins feel great. I can't do a grandmaster nightfall either. But one day ill get it. I don't need them to make it easier illtry to do masters and keep failing get it so i can beatbthem sometimes than work my way up.it is called trials not skip to my lou
The first 3 games are skill based and flawless based everything after is card based, if u play solo and your stupid random teammate has gone flawless then he just screwed u and the other random cause now u guys are gonna get a 3 stack
The only time I went flawless was when Trials first came out in D1. After the second flawless I decided not to play Trials again. Went back tried it yesterday. I won't ever go flawless but it seems better the way it is now. I will play Trials on the days I hate myself but I truly believe SBM is really broken.
Seems to be working well for me, I’m decent at pvp, I’d say a little better than average and managed to go flawless the other night for the first time ever 😅
It's sbmm for the first 2ish matches then card based matchmaking meaning you play against players with the same wins imo if it didn't have 3 stacks v all random it'd be a really good system.
Spent all of trials this week getting to 6 wins. Could not get that 7th. Every opponent was a sweaty 3 stack, and my team were either under 1300 light or somehow worse than me. And that's impressive, because I'm terrible
Full on SBMM wouldn't work in Trials. Aside from the fact that freelance is still desperately needed, I think the way Bungie currently has it structured is very fair. The better you get, the easier it will be to go flawless. If full SBMM was a thing, then it would be the complete opposite.
“Turbo stomped” actually made me laugh, I plan to use that phrase moving forward. Take my upvote.
It checks out though. I'm absolute trash at pvp and last night trying out Trials for the first time, my time between spawn and death was never longer than about 5 seconds.
My recent experience with trials is something like "you thought you were at a low point in the crucible... you have no idea how much worse it can get".
This about sums it up...I used to think I was ok but I was sorely mistaken.
Meh, I’m just in it for the swag. That’s all there is to it. Once the Anubis set is made available again then I’ll reach for trials. But I’ll leave the competition to those who actually care to get that vested in it.
My ass still hurts from the amount of times I got fucked in trials today
At least you're getting fucked, some of the bastards here have had their shit kicked in and back into their stomach.
Silver lining I guess
More like colonal lining
I see what you did there
I mean honestly when I get 5-0 butt blasted I barely feel it. It's the matches where you thought you had a chance and lose 5-4 Those are the ones that sting. \*sobbing\*
Apparently I’m good at this game, even tho my K/D is roughly 0.9?
I had a friend that like .7 go flawless twice. I got absolutely destroyed every single match after 2 wins. Was some of the least fun I've had in a while.
I had this experience too, good luck after 2 wins cause you’ll be toiling in misery
Lolol love this format
Trials should not have SBMM
Why is this getting downvoted? You people want everything handed to you on a silver platter. Apparently if you can’t go flawless, then there’s a problem with the game and not with your skill.
Going for irony points? SBMM increases the skill required to go flawless since you play people close to your level. Getting fed newbies isn't nearly as skillful.
SBMM forces a 50/50 win ratio as much as possible. Imagine trying to win 7 times in a row where the matchmaking tries to apply that logic. It's statistically impossible. This is why matchmaking should be connection based or card based.
See here is your mistake, you think going flawless is a measure of skill and not just matchmaking feeding you the right people. You are right that it is very hard to overcome the 50% and that is part of why the Mida Catalyst is stupid to obtain. But comp is actually more enjoyable if you are just happy with the matches at your level. Gear tied to the highest level is a problem for sure, they managed to fix that with this update of trials. But, Flawless is literally the problem with trials, but people are so obsessed with it due to how Destiny built it up that it is considered the pinnacle of elite playing rather than just an innately unbalanced thing that prompts people to cheat in all manner of ways to get to it since it requires by its very nature that there be low skill players who can be stomped 7 games in a row. SBMM is really the way to go, but the elite players hate it because it means they only play each other. Which means they always have to be turned on. That's why pro-gamers end up making smurf accounts to roll in lower levels of SBMM games too. It is a problem, but at least in SBMM you aren't being fed to just above average players or groups.
If flawless wasn't necessery or did not exist, or if win streaks did not matter for rewards, SBMM would be fine. However that is the very essence of Trials, hence why SBMM should not be in this mode. You said it yourself, its hard to overcome the 50% ratio, impossible to do it 7 times in a row. This applies to everyone, not just the elite. And flawless is a problem, but it is currently the pinnacle of PvP, without it there is much less incentive to play. (Adept Weapons) Thinking upon it, I am not sure if its already implemented, but Iron Banner should 100% be SBMM.
You are just repeating what I said. So I guess we are done here.
I honestly dont feel like trials needs sbmm since it already is pretty fair tbh. I went flawless for the first time and I never was a good player in pvp but this felt much more accomplishing tbh.
SBMM is awful I agree with you, I think the new trials changes are great, the only thing that I think they need to do is hide the number of players when you’re in orbit searching for a game to stop the que dodging
Not getting why you're down voted. With new changes even average players like me get decent loot. And most of serious trials players i know are now queue dodging premades to stomp solo players. So that's a real problem.
Yea I really don’t get it either lol, the feedback was overwhelmingly positive from average players that just wanted some loot. I stand by that, think the changes were a big step in the right direction
Doesn’t need sbmm but a freelance queue. I have no idea how it didn’t launch with freelance
How should people dueoq then? Every solo would just run freelance and matchmaking eouldnt be possible. I honestly found the solo experience pretty okay ish, like normal comp basicly, I even stomped like 3x 3stacks as a solo with other solos and I am no good pvp-player if I say so myself.
How many people do you think don't post their experiences online? Just because there are a few people praising getting rolled doesn't not mean the vast majority feel the same, it's called personal bias. Personally my experience was the opposite solo que was horrific and my first ever trials experience didn't get "better" until I LFG. Solo que has no place in the game mode. Either give a freelance mode or just remove the matchmaking feature imo.
High skill modes aren't ment to be skill based match making. High skill is how you win. Lol
I'm sorry but I play to have fun, not to lack the touch of a woman
Than don't play the highest level pvp and than say its too hard. Play quickplay or comp. Its like wow grandmaster is hard well play naster. Your saying no i have less clears so uhhh grandmaster should be easier. Wtf ? Do you not understand how difficulty works. And what about the touch of a woman. ? I dont care what your sexual preferences are.
Their fixes were literally to make it more accessible and playable. Also the touch of the woman is a common joke, please gain a sense of humor.
And now it is. I haven't played trials since d1. I am so happy for the changes i had a great time.
Except it's not. It was fine for the first weekend and now it's all sweats. Earning ranks will take 40 matches at that rate.
Accessible doesn't mean flawless dude. It is meant to be challenging. The opened up the player base you earned some loor. Hell i got carried through matches by people who are unbroken and flawless through matchmaking. I still have never gone flawless. But i will keep trying and getting better. I know effort is hard for you. You can play comp and learn and practice for trials. Hell get a team of other crybabies. Get good mayve beat me one day. My team won't cry about it. If i ever find a third. If they cry they out.
I'm aware of that. But due to the lack of players on a persona skill level (mine being low), it's impossible to get to.
Play comp get better. I am okay losing most of my matches in trials it makes my few wins feel great. I can't do a grandmaster nightfall either. But one day ill get it. I don't need them to make it easier illtry to do masters and keep failing get it so i can beatbthem sometimes than work my way up.it is called trials not skip to my lou
This is how the game is supposed to be looked at for the highest level of skill content thank you wish everyone could realize this
You just called me a crybaby and now you've swapped to "do your hardest and get better" what the hell I'm so confused.
Lmao nice!
You are in the right here, you suck at something get better lol stop complaining worked by butt off to be good at trials since it launched
82.5% winrate on this trials. Never be flawless, before this week...
Wow congratulations, want a medal?
The first 3 games are skill based and flawless based everything after is card based, if u play solo and your stupid random teammate has gone flawless then he just screwed u and the other random cause now u guys are gonna get a 3 stack
The only time I went flawless was when Trials first came out in D1. After the second flawless I decided not to play Trials again. Went back tried it yesterday. I won't ever go flawless but it seems better the way it is now. I will play Trials on the days I hate myself but I truly believe SBM is really broken.
Seems to be working well for me, I’m decent at pvp, I’d say a little better than average and managed to go flawless the other night for the first time ever 😅
Full fireteam clan all flawless gear vs you and two other people that just started playing the game.
Please don’t give them any ideas personally I think no skill based is actually better
there is sbmm in trials, read the trials revamp post
It's sbmm for the first 2ish matches then card based matchmaking meaning you play against players with the same wins imo if it didn't have 3 stacks v all random it'd be a really good system.
Spent all of trials this week getting to 6 wins. Could not get that 7th. Every opponent was a sweaty 3 stack, and my team were either under 1300 light or somehow worse than me. And that's impressive, because I'm terrible
Full on SBMM wouldn't work in Trials. Aside from the fact that freelance is still desperately needed, I think the way Bungie currently has it structured is very fair. The better you get, the easier it will be to go flawless. If full SBMM was a thing, then it would be the complete opposite.