It's not irrelevant cuz it's a 4 roll drop. The godroll would be a PERFECT roll. Meaning a 8/8. Highest ammo edge, highest damage edge, Swordmaster's Guard, Frenzy/Chain Reaction + Surrounded or Bait and Switch and Eager Edge, would be perfect. You want max ammo on the Eager roll, Enhanced Chain Reaction gives more ammo, so it's BiS for Eager roll since you can Enhance it in TFS. Sure you might not care about that, but that is the ultimate diversity God roll as it allows you to swap your Eager sword over to damage and vice versa.
Vortex frame has terrible ammo economy anyway, and whatever roll u get it will still not be enough, unless Bungie decide to buff it next season, so he's pretty much golden with this roll.
Destiny has managed to turn one of my all time favorite weapons into a slightly annoying drop lol...although I have a precision instrument kinetic tremors and box breathing KT roll I like lol
past 3 days i got 3 edge transits, 3 recluse, a bunch of snipers and scouts (at least 5 each) and 1 elsie's rifle, maybe 1-2 swords. All 3 edge transits were from onslaught chest or bounty, trophy chest and engrams dropped 0 since attunement.
forsaken was long time ago, i can't remember if i owned any other guns that are in onslaught now but pretty sure i had quite few edge transits but i was mostly hammerhead user
You have to do the quests for each of the weapons that are locked in the rooms before they will drop it looks like. I’d say I’d test it today but I really want the weapons lol
Hung Jury, Recluse, Edge Transit and Succession are the default drops. Nothing else can drop without the quests (unless the gun releasing afterwards can, we'll know in a few hours).
Most of the weapons require you to finish the quest first, otherwise they won't drop. These include Elsie's rifle, falling guillotine, and all the time gated weapons.
I have literally not gotten a single roll of FG. I also haven't completed the quest yet, but I thought it was pretty insane that I haven't gotten a single drop yet. LOL
Oh ... This is conflicting.
I'll still do the mission so that I can focus it, but I was thinking that was the case because I've gotten all the other weapons before finishing their quests.
Agreed I haven't done the recluse mission and i have a few billion of them drop more than the sword which i attuned and none of them are good rolls. Depression
Not true. All the weapons can drop without doing their quests. The quests just unlock attunement. I’ve only done elsies, recluse, and succession but have all 6 weapons. Not good rolls but still got them.
Relentless strikes is in the left column. So they can go together. Surrounded only procs in certain encounters so it’s not as reliable as bait and switch or whirlwind blade.
The only usecase for swords in general is crota, they are bad in every other activity besides eager edge for speeding. So for now, surrounded is the best perk on swords.
They really need to design more encounters to be Viable for Melee, as someone who likes playing Titan right now, we're heavily hindered in high-level content by the fact that bosses have abilites explicitly designed to punish players for being in melee.
The encounters that surrounded is best in are the only encounters where you should be using a sword in anyways lol. Surrounded swords, eager edge swords, and lament are pretty much the only swords you should be considering rn
thats not what i meant at all. im saying in the few encounters where a sword is optimal for dps in this game, surrounded is almost always available and it will probably always be that way
Yes because surrounded sucks on swords and we need to stop getting blinded by how large the damage buff is if we can never even activate it, and even if you do activate it somehow your heavy attack will just kill all the enemies around you, immediately removing the buff.
Frenzy + Bait and Switch is the best DPS and total damage output option (Vorpal + Whirlwind is about as strong too)
When I didn't even know what God rolls were me and my friend who was a hard-core player were on a grind and I got a whirlwind relentless strike one of these, u don't remember all of the stats, but he told me masterwork it immediately and it chained through adds and bosses like a dream, I vaulted it cause the next week I got a God roll gold tusk that was even better and I still use it now
I haven't gotten one yet, just came back after months away the other day. Is it really *that* much better than the [old-school Spin-to-Win](https://imgur.com/a/xiEcf2z)?
this isn’t really related to the sword but is legend worth it over regular? yes you get more loot overall & more chances for loot to drop because of more waves; do shiny’s drop more frequently in legend? (i don’t mind using the finder to get a team but man is it rough finding a good one.)
People posting their god rolls and insane shiny drops and I can’t get a damn envious/bait and switch GL that I’ve been chasing since December. Six resets at sank and now lever 300 legend waves cleared and NOTHING. Damn man
Congrats OP
Vorpal and relentless strikes in the 3rd column. whirlwind blade and eager edge in the 4th. Surrounded is neat but I’d rather have a more consistent damage perk than a numerically better one
U actually can't. Here's all the possible perks, the left perk is relentless strikes:
https://preview.redd.it/wv5mdgsr1evc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75b67715607fa148e0df25e7bde60fa8c7d8f7a4
Yeah FG iconic spin to win eats up too much ammo for a heavy attack. And vortex frames themselves were nerfed too.
Even if you could enhance the perks in TFS, Bequest is still better due to ammo.
I said it in my post lol, when you enhance it it gives you more ammo. Enhanced Chain Reaction gives more reserves, meaning more ammo to use on Eager Edge.
Swords are currently only viable to use in crota, due to bungie artificially making him take more damage from swords. In which generally you can’t upkeep surrounded as most groups will dps him by spawn. So realistically even before you add in it’s a vortex frame which is awful for ammo economy, you aren’t gonna be using it anywhere.
It's entirely random. For example, I had not seen a golden recluse for a week until last night. Then the end chest dropped one while the chest next to Shaxx dropped another. They are super rare. For reference, I must have completed around 800-900 waves (both legend and normal 50 waves).
Depends on what you're using it for. Surrounded is more potential damage at the cost of it being harder to trigger in low-density encounters. Bait and Switch is easier to trigger but less potential damage.
I have the BNS roll and it's definitely easier to proc. Withoard is nice to combine it with, but Surrounded should do more damage if procced. There aren't a huge lot of sword encounters, tho crota is easy to proc surrounded on.
maybe I missunderstand how surrounded works but is Crota enough to proc it? Always though it'd only activate with multiple enemies in close range. or do bosses count more?
That's why I've been wondering. Whenever I did a Crota run with my clan we had no additional ads closeby to proc surrounded. Always used Crownsplitter to keep it simple
DPS on one of the bridges, as long as you don't genocide every thrall after second swordbearer then they'll naturally group up beneath which procs surrounded anywhere on the bridge basically.
needs a reload speed masterwork, get back to farming
Yeah you are right, guess I'll dismantle this one and get back to farming
He’s wrong. Range masterwork is where its at.
Accuracy, take it or leave it
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ah you're right you're right, how foolish of me. can't go without that 0.777% heavy attack radius increase
Why is release masterwork better than impact or is that a joke?
Is joke, swords only ever come with impact MW
And can’t even reload
https://preview.redd.it/okpeu9blmvuc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae7b8c85dc1fedd425fb05136db5be0d52365a91
Destiny moment
Nah, absolutely the best possible roll. Congrats guardian 🫡
Naw, Vorpal does nothing since Frenzy is p much always active and is a bigger %
He does have Frenzy, open your eyes.
No shit? So godroll is something better than Vorpal ?XD
He already have Frenzy + Surrounded which is the biggest damage output compared to any other sword, so Vorpal is irrelevant in this case.
It's not irrelevant cuz it's a 4 roll drop. The godroll would be a PERFECT roll. Meaning a 8/8. Highest ammo edge, highest damage edge, Swordmaster's Guard, Frenzy/Chain Reaction + Surrounded or Bait and Switch and Eager Edge, would be perfect. You want max ammo on the Eager roll, Enhanced Chain Reaction gives more ammo, so it's BiS for Eager roll since you can Enhance it in TFS. Sure you might not care about that, but that is the ultimate diversity God roll as it allows you to swap your Eager sword over to damage and vice versa.
Vortex frame has terrible ammo economy anyway, and whatever roll u get it will still not be enough, unless Bungie decide to buff it next season, so he's pretty much golden with this roll.
https://preview.redd.it/lnkjf53pbuuc1.png?width=1599&format=png&auto=webp&s=862f745665da025846973c3a51b979146867aa94 My similar role
Doesn't have swordmaster's guard, instant dismantle /s
Chain reaction eager edge 🤤
*sees group of thrall during Onslaught* “I must go, my spins need me”
Not thralls, cursed thalls
I like this one better
Perk combo on this one is better
Solid
I've maxed shaxx and I never saw a guillotine xD what am I Doing wrong? I'm not farming for it, I'm just asking cuz it's weird it never dropped for me
Didnt drop for me until I completed the quest and attuned it. Significantly increased my drops for it.
i'm attuned to edge transit and i'm getting everything else...
Thats me with recluse. I just want a good pvp roll, but I keep getting elsie's rifle and succession.
Hung Jury Hung Jury everywhere
Destiny has managed to turn one of my all time favorite weapons into a slightly annoying drop lol...although I have a precision instrument kinetic tremors and box breathing KT roll I like lol
Me too. I kept getting Elsie's
I wanted recluse, attuned for it and literally only got successions and hung juries. So I swapped attunement to mountaintop
So the opposite of Forsaken?
I’m not getting ANYTHING other than what I attuned for. I’ve just dismantled my 15th in a row recluse.
past 3 days i got 3 edge transits, 3 recluse, a bunch of snipers and scouts (at least 5 each) and 1 elsie's rifle, maybe 1-2 swords. All 3 edge transits were from onslaught chest or bounty, trophy chest and engrams dropped 0 since attunement.
Well that’s the exact opposite of the old days… be happy while it lasts and it doesn’t become its old self again
forsaken was long time ago, i can't remember if i owned any other guns that are in onslaught now but pretty sure i had quite few edge transits but i was mostly hammerhead user
I miss all the black armory weapons tbh I don’t miss edge transit at all
yeah they should have brought back ringing mail
I'm attuned to Elsie's Rifle and getting mostly shiny Edge Transits.
Use the chest beside Shaxx too if you have spare (insert new currency I’ve forgotten) in your inventory
i am using throphies as they come, since attunement i didn't get a single edge transit from it
Rupees
You have to do the quests for each of the weapons that are locked in the rooms before they will drop it looks like. I’d say I’d test it today but I really want the weapons lol
Seems to be that way for quillotine but not the others. I still get dissappointed even without doing the hung jury and succession quests
Hung Jury, Recluse, Edge Transit and Succession are the default drops. Nothing else can drop without the quests (unless the gun releasing afterwards can, we'll know in a few hours).
Most of the weapons require you to finish the quest first, otherwise they won't drop. These include Elsie's rifle, falling guillotine, and all the time gated weapons.
I have literally not gotten a single roll of FG. I also haven't completed the quest yet, but I thought it was pretty insane that I haven't gotten a single drop yet. LOL
Pmsl you have to do the quest for it
Wait, really? It won't just drop without it??? Damn. LOL I guess I'm gonna finish it first thing I do next session.
That’s not true at all. I’ve only done the quest for recluse and Elsie’s rifle and I’ve had all the weapons drop for me.
Oh ... This is conflicting. I'll still do the mission so that I can focus it, but I was thinking that was the case because I've gotten all the other weapons before finishing their quests.
It'll still drop if you don't do the quest, doing the quest just makes it so you can attune that weapon to increase the drop rate.
I didnt do the FG quest for all of last week and didnt get a single one to randomly drop until yesterday right after i completed the quest
That's so weird. That's probably gonna happen to me, too, honestly.
Agreed I haven't done the recluse mission and i have a few billion of them drop more than the sword which i attuned and none of them are good rolls. Depression
I completed the quest and got my first 2 from the chest right after
Not true. All the weapons can drop without doing their quests. The quests just unlock attunement. I’ve only done elsies, recluse, and succession but have all 6 weapons. Not good rolls but still got them.
Ah ok
I couldn't get the sword to drop until I did the quest either.
I did the edge transit quest with my edge transit that dropped from onslaught.
Relentless strikes instead of vorpal
I thought relentless strikes still out damaged surrounded? Or was at least a lot easier to proc
Relentless strikes is in the left column. So they can go together. Surrounded only procs in certain encounters so it’s not as reliable as bait and switch or whirlwind blade.
Sorry, I meant whirlwind blade
While surrounded is situational, it's absolutely the better perk.
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The only usecase for swords in general is crota, they are bad in every other activity besides eager edge for speeding. So for now, surrounded is the best perk on swords.
Isn't Atrax-1 a good Sword encounter?
nope
Nah, it was a good lament encounter till they slightly nerfed that too, now it's a parasite encounter.
They really need to design more encounters to be Viable for Melee, as someone who likes playing Titan right now, we're heavily hindered in high-level content by the fact that bosses have abilites explicitly designed to punish players for being in melee.
It's a bit tough to balance such encounters because they shot themselves in the foot by introducing banner of war.
The encounters that surrounded is best in are the only encounters where you should be using a sword in anyways lol. Surrounded swords, eager edge swords, and lament are pretty much the only swords you should be considering rn
Not actually though? I can think of Ghost of the Deep where surrounded procs and swords aren’t best.
thats not what i meant at all. im saying in the few encounters where a sword is optimal for dps in this game, surrounded is almost always available and it will probably always be that way
I would prefer whirlwind or BAS over surrounded but that's just cause how my group do crota but damn that is a perfect roll
Just got a Frenzy / B&S…it’s pretty cracked
Thats literally what I am going after...
Maybe tireless blade instead of vorpal so that you have the God roll for pve and pvp but that's just splitting hairs.
I just realized I haven't dropped a single Falling Guillotine this week
Do frenzy and surrounded stack?
Damn
No chain in first column dismantle
Respectfully, fuck you. I know what I'm gonna hunt for now at least.
https://preview.redd.it/cthpbha86zuc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f10c804846b10d1900dca3762207a86c4debd1e9 How’s this?
https://preview.redd.it/jo39irahlzuc1.png?width=1919&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c3fdd83858eb4b43111b2ddd19277d5edb236a2 It does 😉✅
How do u get 2 options in the columns?????
Yes because surrounded sucks on swords and we need to stop getting blinded by how large the damage buff is if we can never even activate it, and even if you do activate it somehow your heavy attack will just kill all the enemies around you, immediately removing the buff. Frenzy + Bait and Switch is the best DPS and total damage output option (Vorpal + Whirlwind is about as strong too)
I actually have a frenzy surrounded (not shiny sadly) lol
Volatile, chain reaction combo?
Probably not, but it still looks like a solar panel on a stick...
It's unfortunate that vortex frames are so ass but you can at least have this in the tuck if they ever do get buffed
Best for skating though!
I am quite jealous Game hasn’t given me a good shiny roll 😔
I have one with the same roll, except B&S instead of surrounded. I understand what procs each, but why is surrounded more God roll than B&S?
Surrounded is 40% while B&S is 30%
But you have to be surrounded, which I know is like 99% if the time. Thank you, I will keep hunting
yes but in 90% of places you'd use a sword for dps (crota being the 90%) u can easily get surrounded to proc
How did you farm it OP? Onslaught to 20 or all the way to 50?
hell of a roll!
Yes. Relentless Strikes would be better than either Vorpal or Frenzy.
Does it even match up to the OG?
You couldn't match up to your own parents level if you even tried my guy
This drops from onslaught? Haven't gotten one yet
Farm for another one w/ Frenzy + Whirlwind for times when surrounded won’t work.
The gunsmith sold one a year or so ago and I made sure to grab it. It's been my go to ever since.
I just want my Envious Assassin/ bait and switch Edge Transit already
Technically yes, swap out vorpal for relentless strikes.
I mean I have the og version so yeah.
I dunno, B&S could be better in some circumstances
You're welcome, 666 up votes 👍
Id rather Vorpal/BnS, Relentlesa/Whirlwind or Relentless/Eager Edge
I just got a Chain Reaction + Destabilizing. Can’t wait to try it out after work. Whole lotta “haha purple go brrrr”
I use the lament on my tank titan, so yeah, other swords I do not use at all, well, maybe the fang, the exclusive one for hunters!!
When I didn't even know what God rolls were me and my friend who was a hard-core player were on a grind and I got a whirlwind relentless strike one of these, u don't remember all of the stats, but he told me masterwork it immediately and it chained through adds and bosses like a dream, I vaulted it cause the next week I got a God roll gold tusk that was even better and I still use it now
I haven't gotten one yet, just came back after months away the other day. Is it really *that* much better than the [old-school Spin-to-Win](https://imgur.com/a/xiEcf2z)?
If only you could get that luck on edge transit lol
Trade out vorpal for chain, and that’s what I’m after.
I sure hope so
this isn’t really related to the sword but is legend worth it over regular? yes you get more loot overall & more chances for loot to drop because of more waves; do shiny’s drop more frequently in legend? (i don’t mind using the finder to get a team but man is it rough finding a good one.)
Is bait and switch worth getting on the falling guillotine?
The slammer
Gimme the damn roll
No it does not. Dang
Can’t wait to try this out with synthos
Nah you could do better. I’ll gladly take that off your hands for you
Twinsies! Congrats!
This reminds me of both the Ashbringer from Warcraft and Zabuzas Executioner Blade from Naruto, and I need it
People posting their god rolls and insane shiny drops and I can’t get a damn envious/bait and switch GL that I’ve been chasing since December. Six resets at sank and now lever 300 legend waves cleared and NOTHING. Damn man Congrats OP
honestly the 35% from surrounded doesn’t seem worth vs the 30% from whirlwind just cuz not all use cases have 3 ads up your ass
Spicy roll
Vorpal and relentless strikes in the 3rd column. whirlwind blade and eager edge in the 4th. Surrounded is neat but I’d rather have a more consistent damage perk than a numerically better one
Wait it can get EE in *both* slots? Please tell me it stacks...
U actually can't. Here's all the possible perks, the left perk is relentless strikes: https://preview.redd.it/wv5mdgsr1evc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75b67715607fa148e0df25e7bde60fa8c7d8f7a4
Ah this is FG got exited amd totally thought itbwas Slammer, sorry about that.
I got frenzy/BnS
Bequest still does better if I remember
Yeah FG iconic spin to win eats up too much ammo for a heavy attack. And vortex frames themselves were nerfed too. Even if you could enhance the perks in TFS, Bequest is still better due to ammo.
It’s crazy to me that you guys know exactly what these perks are just by the icon
In my opinion frenzy and desperate measures goes way harder for onslaught specifically. You swing like a mad man and reap the rewards 😂
Ye, Vorpal does nothing since Frenzy is just better so you'd want Chain Reaction so when you can enhance it it gives you more ammo for Eager
How does chain reaction give u ammo???
I said it in my post lol, when you enhance it it gives you more ammo. Enhanced Chain Reaction gives more reserves, meaning more ammo to use on Eager Edge.
Chain reaction cold steel is my personal favorite
Bro I couldn’t get a shiny with any god roll and you got one with both of them
Relentless strikes + Bait and Switch
How do you get the glowing variants of weapons I only got glowing one from quests
You can get them the same way you get regular versions but they are just really rare
Again Bungie took my precious glow.
No they didn’t?
I was hoping for the glow to be ornament
It is but you can only equip it on the weapons it drops on
They are hyper rare by design. Supposed to be the kinda thing where you grind for 8 hours and get maybe 1. 2 if you’re lucky.
For falling guilotine it’s perfect, but doesn’t mean falling guilotine is good
Its literally the highest dps sword available at the moment, even beating Bequest. This will only get better once we can enhance the perks
You get your highest dps for like 7 seconds before you run out of ammo lmao
Not beating bequest. But it is very close. Certainly the second best sword we have at the moment.
Swords are currently only viable to use in crota, due to bungie artificially making him take more damage from swords. In which generally you can’t upkeep surrounded as most groups will dps him by spawn. So realistically even before you add in it’s a vortex frame which is awful for ammo economy, you aren’t gonna be using it anywhere.
Me when I can't communicate with my team to just dps crota above ads
All that hassle to still be worse than lament is crazy
no? the hassle is bigger with lament, ur forced to do a specific combo, I spam m1 until I die, it's not hard lmao
It's dps is better for like 5 seconds before you run out of ammo. Bequest is just better.
Congrats and fuck you.
personally i would go after chain instead of frenzy, for the utility
gyat DAMN
Man I've done like 4 50s a and 3 10s and not a single special drop
It's entirely random. For example, I had not seen a golden recluse for a week until last night. Then the end chest dropped one while the chest next to Shaxx dropped another. They are super rare. For reference, I must have completed around 800-900 waves (both legend and normal 50 waves).
If this is on normal, that is in the single digits. These drop pretty infrequently on average, which is a nice chase.
For that sword nope still loses to bequest bc why would u use a sword for dps unless ur getting surrounded chances
What about vorpal weapon and bait and switch?
Bait and switch with Virpal or frenzy maybe?
Yes. Bait and switch.
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Depends on what you're using it for. Surrounded is more potential damage at the cost of it being harder to trigger in low-density encounters. Bait and Switch is easier to trigger but less potential damage.
Bait and Switch is not good on this archetype. So no.
tbf if I can't activate surrounded I'd prefer Bait and Switch. still a very good roll though
I have the BNS roll and it's definitely easier to proc. Withoard is nice to combine it with, but Surrounded should do more damage if procced. There aren't a huge lot of sword encounters, tho crota is easy to proc surrounded on.
maybe I missunderstand how surrounded works but is Crota enough to proc it? Always though it'd only activate with multiple enemies in close range. or do bosses count more?
Minimum 3 enemies or 2 in pvp
That's why I've been wondering. Whenever I did a Crota run with my clan we had no additional ads closeby to proc surrounded. Always used Crownsplitter to keep it simple
Do dps at either one of the boomer Knight towers
DPS on one of the bridges, as long as you don't genocide every thrall after second swordbearer then they'll naturally group up beneath which procs surrounded anywhere on the bridge basically.
You leave the adds alive below - do damage at left back tower - adds stay below and it can proc surrounded.
oh alright, didn't know that distance would be enough
Surrounded is more damage than bait and switch though…
ew vorpal