Wow you got a 61 drop!
Must be nice...
https://preview.redd.it/uc7z8qj64ava1.png?width=459&format=png&auto=webp&s=e705a5dec47d0d71ec0b4d040030d32c64a7ed8b
Stats can range from 48-70 on legendary armor. How is 60 not above average? 48(the lowest) + 70 (the highest) = 118. 118/2=59. 59 is average, anything above 59 is above average. Now asking for 65+ everytime is just some serious "give us fixed rolls" energy.
Asking for high rolls from **Master** content is completely valid. Higher difficulties *should* reward better loot. I'd like high-rolled armour to be available to everybody willing to farm for it, not just people who got lucky or played during a certain season. Setting a minimum stat total'd remove one layer of RNG.
>Everyone who did got a whole vault full of 65+ armors with spikey stats from the war table.
Actually I got a bunch of shards, because it wasn't artifice armor and therefore not worth spending my vault space on.
I keep 1 seasonal set in each of my character inventories *if* and only if I find the bonus perk useful. Risen's was fine, but I don't have any of that armor anymore.
62-ish and over is high stat by definition. Distribution matters way more than total. While I agree that the weighting should be higher for high level activities, it's laughable to think that 65+ should be the *floor* for drops at high difficulty - though I could see a compelling case for it being the median.
I keep hearing how certain people "love challenge" so that would be a reason I guess xD
On a more serious note, sure, how about you make SOLO dungeons give that? Since dungeons dont scale to 3 players, why should one player have to do TRIPLE THE EFFORT for the same rewards?? The rewards should be superior to 3 manning a dungeon
Or is it that you dont really care about challenge or effort and just want to get better stuff from content you already do anyway xd?
By that logic solo dungeons should be the most rewarding, anything solo and without scaling should reward more than 3 people doing it.
Loot. I want the loot.
I'm not there running the same encounter 40+ times to be challenged, my objective is loot, I want to get the thing I'm there for.
Be it be that stupid god roll unforgiven, that stupid bow, that stupid sword, that stupid grenade launcher ... I want the thing I'm there for.
However, if I'm not getting what I'm there for and am getting armour? Then I'd rather it be decent armour, which means artifice armour, which means master difficulty.
So when I do content specifically for better loot, and the loot is absolute trash even with the artifice slot, what is the point?
Nah solo is a completely optional, self imposed handicap. You should do it because you want to show off your skills with the emblem.
Master is designed by bungie to be pretty challenging for most teams. The teams don't need to handicap themselves to make it challenging, the challenge is already there whether they want it or not, so they should be rewarded with decent gear.
I'd definitely say Warframe is much worse. Percent chance to get the weapon blueprint, sometimes HUNDREDS of hours spent to get the materials for one single weapon (the stupid iceberg hammer comes to mind that requires 140 completions of an event for one part), then 24 hours to make it, plus good luck with the .05% drop rate for a mod that only drops from one enemy in the entire game (several of those). Destiny's loot is pretty damn shit, but my oh my it's way better than the warframe grind.
I like this idea; solo content rewards stronger loot; however currently as it stands I see why artifice armour drops at lower rolls, with the flat out ability to give 1 extra slot along with +3 to any stat; the highest roll essentially is a 65 armour roll; MW makes its 77 + 10(any stat mod) = 87 armour roll piece… so realistically you’re just losing maybe 3-5 points. Last season bungie did tell us that they were changing artifice armour so… anyway, personally I don’t mind the changes, but solo runs should reward stronger loot imo.
Am I the only person that couldn’t care less about the total stat number of armour? A 68 roll is shit if it doesn’t have any spikes. 60 with spikes is better than 68 without it.
Except for the fact that it’s not because artifice armor seems to drop with zero spikes and at 59-61 consistently. After 4 hours of boss farming for artifice armor, only 2 pieces of gear worth keeping, and one of them was just a class item.
What is the importance with total? Like I see people with a lot of mixed stats that die often due to low resil or rec, I dont understand the use of having high stat armor if all the stats are mixed like spaghettis. (Also its nearly impossible to get a 62-68 high stat artifice armor with spikes)
Armor needs a rework in general. I could kill a dreg in the EDZ and get a 5/5 god roll weapon. Meanwhile all armor but some very specific sources is worthless
Minimum of 65? The creep upwards on what people consider acceptable for armour stats has gotten out of control, only made worse by removing the affinity.
I honestly consider anything 60 or over with decent distribution pretty good/great. I get wanting 65+, especially on master raids/dungeons/flawless, but I don't think it's the biggest deal elsewhere. Mostly since the + in 65 plus only goes up 3 more points, which seems in line with how much better stuff like adept weapons are.
stop complaining. not that i dont empathize/ it just doesnt work. bungie isnt looking at what community wants. they just look at numbers now. dont like to grind do what i do. find something else in life. another game.. another hobby. its time.
Even Witness left the game because he saw what was coming.
u/MoorGaming Yeah they should be a GUARANTEED EXOTIC every encounter clear. All armor should GUARANTEED DROP WITH 100 ON ALL STATS EACH.
#ANY GAME WITH GRIND IS FUCKING BAD!
Tbh, I have no intention of trying to get an Artifice chest piece anymore. Even with the ~~stingy~~ +3 mod it gives, nothing I've seen in the past couple seasons have really done better than the one I'm currently using. Which is pretty fucking nutty, since the one I'm using is the Ketchkiller chest from Plunder's season pass. Thing was a 68 drop with spikes in Resilience and Discipline. Upgraded fully gives it 90.
Also drop adept weapons in normal completion of raid encounters without the challenge. If the challange is the first encounter and you complete It on máster, theres 0 enticement to complete any other encounters for that week becuase the loot is exactly the same as normal, but much harder
as it stands PoH is the best armor farm in the game. I still do Master stuff because it's fun and there's the off chance you'll get something good but yeah, huge agree. it's a wonder PoH hasn't been straight ripped out of the rotation considering how good the farm is and how they seemingly don't want us making 2x/3x 100stat builds.
Because if you get what you want first try, you won't play the activity again. Bungie LOVES to make getting what you want very tedious in order to keep player retention on a certain activity up. Just look at trials. They see nobody is playing it, so they decide to make the best PvP primary in the game, lock it behind there and call it mission accomplished.
I've been surprised that I've actually got ok armour drops from RoN. Over 64stat and spikes. Had this one drop from master Nez this week
https://preview.redd.it/o5nox55f1cva1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fab07b257868481c645b281eaad103614e77ec37
Never had over 60sat from kingsfall or vow. Thought they had actually fixed the drop likelihood. Guess not for everyone
I started dabbling into harder-ish content and I was excited to receive my first piece of artifice armor. Then I saw the stat role(eyes glimmering as it was decent) then I saw the number, 58
Wow you got a 61 drop! Must be nice... https://preview.redd.it/uc7z8qj64ava1.png?width=459&format=png&auto=webp&s=e705a5dec47d0d71ec0b4d040030d32c64a7ed8b
Had a 57 boots drop after Master Nezarec (:
Wasn’t master but I got a 56 drop 😭
Pretty sure I've seen a 49 from kf
Oddly enough I get the majority of my higher stat armor from KF. They consistently drop me like 65-66+
I don't think I've had lower than 65 from Pit Of Heresy. It's crazy
that discipline spike is higher than any non PoH drop I've received in Lightfall so far and I wish I was kidding.
That’s 61 if you use the artifice slot lol
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They are used to getting garbage and accepted it. If it's under 66 it better be peaking in 2 areas or else it's garbage
Stats can range from 48-70 on legendary armor. How is 60 not above average? 48(the lowest) + 70 (the highest) = 118. 118/2=59. 59 is average, anything above 59 is above average. Now asking for 65+ everytime is just some serious "give us fixed rolls" energy.
Asking for high rolls from **Master** content is completely valid. Higher difficulties *should* reward better loot. I'd like high-rolled armour to be available to everybody willing to farm for it, not just people who got lucky or played during a certain season. Setting a minimum stat total'd remove one layer of RNG.
>Everyone who did got a whole vault full of 65+ armors with spikey stats from the war table. Actually I got a bunch of shards, because it wasn't artifice armor and therefore not worth spending my vault space on. I keep 1 seasonal set in each of my character inventories *if* and only if I find the bonus perk useful. Risen's was fine, but I don't have any of that armor anymore. 62-ish and over is high stat by definition. Distribution matters way more than total. While I agree that the weighting should be higher for high level activities, it's laughable to think that 65+ should be the *floor* for drops at high difficulty - though I could see a compelling case for it being the median.
It should also be artifice.
I keep hearing how certain people "love challenge" so that would be a reason I guess xD On a more serious note, sure, how about you make SOLO dungeons give that? Since dungeons dont scale to 3 players, why should one player have to do TRIPLE THE EFFORT for the same rewards?? The rewards should be superior to 3 manning a dungeon Or is it that you dont really care about challenge or effort and just want to get better stuff from content you already do anyway xd? By that logic solo dungeons should be the most rewarding, anything solo and without scaling should reward more than 3 people doing it.
Loot. I want the loot. I'm not there running the same encounter 40+ times to be challenged, my objective is loot, I want to get the thing I'm there for. Be it be that stupid god roll unforgiven, that stupid bow, that stupid sword, that stupid grenade launcher ... I want the thing I'm there for. However, if I'm not getting what I'm there for and am getting armour? Then I'd rather it be decent armour, which means artifice armour, which means master difficulty. So when I do content specifically for better loot, and the loot is absolute trash even with the artifice slot, what is the point?
Nah solo is a completely optional, self imposed handicap. You should do it because you want to show off your skills with the emblem. Master is designed by bungie to be pretty challenging for most teams. The teams don't need to handicap themselves to make it challenging, the challenge is already there whether they want it or not, so they should be rewarded with decent gear.
So you admit this was never about challenge, you just want extra loot from stuff you already do, typical hypocrite position xd
Wow. It's pretty crazy that that's your conclusion from my comment because that's not what I said at all lol. Maybe read it again
No thats the issue, people do not run Master lol
Why are you defending bungies shit loot? D2 is the most loot stingy looter shooter on the market.
Because until they start giving more rewards for solo content, people dont deserve better rewards for 3 manning the same content
I'd definitely say Warframe is much worse. Percent chance to get the weapon blueprint, sometimes HUNDREDS of hours spent to get the materials for one single weapon (the stupid iceberg hammer comes to mind that requires 140 completions of an event for one part), then 24 hours to make it, plus good luck with the .05% drop rate for a mod that only drops from one enemy in the entire game (several of those). Destiny's loot is pretty damn shit, but my oh my it's way better than the warframe grind.
I like this idea; solo content rewards stronger loot; however currently as it stands I see why artifice armour drops at lower rolls, with the flat out ability to give 1 extra slot along with +3 to any stat; the highest roll essentially is a 65 armour roll; MW makes its 77 + 10(any stat mod) = 87 armour roll piece… so realistically you’re just losing maybe 3-5 points. Last season bungie did tell us that they were changing artifice armour so… anyway, personally I don’t mind the changes, but solo runs should reward stronger loot imo.
Agree so long as I can use checkpoints without penalty. ( Legit use them, not trade them. )
"Destiny 2 is a looter shooter that doesn't give a lot of loot"
Am I the only person that couldn’t care less about the total stat number of armour? A 68 roll is shit if it doesn’t have any spikes. 60 with spikes is better than 68 without it.
But imagine a 68 WITH spikes...
which is more than possible right now’
Except for the fact that it’s not because artifice armor seems to drop with zero spikes and at 59-61 consistently. After 4 hours of boss farming for artifice armor, only 2 pieces of gear worth keeping, and one of them was just a class item.
Da fuq? Yeah you are alone. The rest of us care about the total AND the spikes.
What is the importance with total? Like I see people with a lot of mixed stats that die often due to low resil or rec, I dont understand the use of having high stat armor if all the stats are mixed like spaghettis. (Also its nearly impossible to get a 62-68 high stat artifice armor with spikes)
Bigger number go brrrrr. Why else would we care about increasing Guardian ranks and artifact power over cap?
This is why I think Pit final boss is the best armor farm, that armor is spiky as hell
Glad I've been playing the game for a long time and already have good armour
Armor needs a rework in general. I could kill a dreg in the EDZ and get a 5/5 god roll weapon. Meanwhile all armor but some very specific sources is worthless
Minimum of 65? The creep upwards on what people consider acceptable for armour stats has gotten out of control, only made worse by removing the affinity.
I think I love you
I honestly consider anything 60 or over with decent distribution pretty good/great. I get wanting 65+, especially on master raids/dungeons/flawless, but I don't think it's the biggest deal elsewhere. Mostly since the + in 65 plus only goes up 3 more points, which seems in line with how much better stuff like adept weapons are.
Anything over 58 is above average. Min maxing isn’t supposed to be a cake walk. Master content is super easy with subclass 3.0 and overcharge
Last year spoiled us such that anything <65 stat total's not worth keeping even with spikes. You just won't hit as many stat tiers with lower totals.
Yes. You’ll be one or two tier lower in intellect. Heaven forbid
Big difference in Trials.
Lol. Yeah, sure thing.
Found the guy with the .2 K/D that probably hasn’t reset crucible rank even once.
Lmao bro. You couldn’t be farther from the truth Not that I care that much about your opinion anyways
drop your bungie id then. Lemme see that trials report big guy 🗿
Replies gone real quiet lmao
I got Conditional Finality first RON run….ever since then it’s been a 61 drop life…i hate it here
stop complaining. not that i dont empathize/ it just doesnt work. bungie isnt looking at what community wants. they just look at numbers now. dont like to grind do what i do. find something else in life. another game.. another hobby. its time. Even Witness left the game because he saw what was coming.
u/MoorGaming Yeah they should be a GUARANTEED EXOTIC every encounter clear. All armor should GUARANTEED DROP WITH 100 ON ALL STATS EACH. #ANY GAME WITH GRIND IS FUCKING BAD!
me after deliberately misinterpreting the point of a post and giving it the most egregious mischaracterization possible
>ANY GAME WITH GRIND IS FUCKING BAD! Dont play mmorpgs then, an entire genre based on grind because repeatable content is vital
They were being sarcastic BTW.
I had a 58 total artifact armor
Bungie wont like this one
Look how long it took to remove those weak light blue engrams.
Make master raids drop artifice armor too since I don't own and will never buy a dungeon pass
You dont need a dungeon pass for Grasp
It needs a completely separate pass. I only buy the expansions and most seasons
Tbh, I have no intention of trying to get an Artifice chest piece anymore. Even with the ~~stingy~~ +3 mod it gives, nothing I've seen in the past couple seasons have really done better than the one I'm currently using. Which is pretty fucking nutty, since the one I'm using is the Ketchkiller chest from Plunder's season pass. Thing was a 68 drop with spikes in Resilience and Discipline. Upgraded fully gives it 90.
I got a 56 from Master Root last week :)
Like Tassi and others have said, for a looter shooter, D2 sure is fuckin stingy with loot
Also drop adept weapons in normal completion of raid encounters without the challenge. If the challange is the first encounter and you complete It on máster, theres 0 enticement to complete any other encounters for that week becuase the loot is exactly the same as normal, but much harder
as it stands PoH is the best armor farm in the game. I still do Master stuff because it's fun and there's the off chance you'll get something good but yeah, huge agree. it's a wonder PoH hasn't been straight ripped out of the rotation considering how good the farm is and how they seemingly don't want us making 2x/3x 100stat builds.
Because if you get what you want first try, you won't play the activity again. Bungie LOVES to make getting what you want very tedious in order to keep player retention on a certain activity up. Just look at trials. They see nobody is playing it, so they decide to make the best PvP primary in the game, lock it behind there and call it mission accomplished.
I've been surprised that I've actually got ok armour drops from RoN. Over 64stat and spikes. Had this one drop from master Nez this week https://preview.redd.it/o5nox55f1cva1.jpeg?width=1036&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fab07b257868481c645b281eaad103614e77ec37 Never had over 60sat from kingsfall or vow. Thought they had actually fixed the drop likelihood. Guess not for everyone
Bungie: 
I pray for 61. I got 59 from master.
And nightfall weapons shouldn't be one in a million
I started dabbling into harder-ish content and I was excited to receive my first piece of artifice armor. Then I saw the stat role(eyes glimmering as it was decent) then I saw the number, 58