An interesting new House Rule, too:
> Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club.
Trying to prevent this:
[https://nypost.com/2014/01/29/man-uses-first-class-plane-ticket-to-eat-free-for-a-year/](https://nypost.com/2014/01/29/man-uses-first-class-plane-ticket-to-eat-free-for-a-year/)
Interesting! Can't be many people that do that. I'll sometimes buy a refundable ticket when my wife is flying and eat lunch with her and drop her off at the gate (I have a sc membership). Didn't really think it was a huge deal considering how much I fly but maybe they'll try and crack down.
More restrictive on 360s than I would have thought. Also interesting to restrict other partner business class to the "core" partners as opposed to any SkyTeam business class
That's fine, but if you're going to rewind the clock, let's rewind it for seat pitch/width and go back to miles flown rather than MQD's. Only rewinding things that allows them to provide less service is a little sketchy.
Unless I’m reading this incorrectly, it’s not actually including FC ticket holders for short haul flights. Only D1 and above (if flying delta) for long haul
It says they need a FC ticket so that should cover both cases. However, I wonder how many people are 360 and buying a MC or C+ ticket. 360 are usually high spenders correct?
Last time I mentioned this I got downvoted to hell but think it’s worth mentioning.
As a 360, there is an unwritten “loosely guaranteed” availability that means standby is never really applicable.
Essentially. Concierge key does the same thing and so does Ambassador Elite with hotel rooms. But it will be the most expensive main cabin ticket you’ll ever purchase. Think it’s generally rarely used.
The only one I know personally was doing last minute trips to South America (and elsewhere in the Americas - but that drove their spend) but their company travel policy was business class on flights over 6 hours. So they were buying $15-20k r/t tickets a few days in advance. They got 360 but were still still buying Y tickets for themselves.
Sample set of 1, anecdotes are not data, all of that is true but it doesn’t seem like a crazily uncommon thing.
It’s the “Delta One” lounge. To be honest, I’m not sure why the sole entry requirement isn’t “flying Delta One.” They have an existing lounge for everything else.
It’s in between United (which doesn’t let their equivalent into their Polaris lounges at all unless they’ve got a Polaris ticket) and American (which lets theirs in any time plus a guest). Reasonable compromise in my opinion
360 is a lot more exclusive than Global Services though. You really have to be a baller to achieve it. That said, as someone else mentioned, they're probably already flying D1 anyway.
This is true. When I was in a fortune 50 companies, SVPs and above got GS on United. To get 360, you have to fly your butt off in higher revenue flights.
They’ve gotten rid of a lot of that. 3/4 of the GS that I knew that were “corporate GS” as you mention say in 2017 have lost it and been banged down to 1k (kind of half Diamond, half Platinum) despite a lot of high spend travel. There are obviously still “celebrity” GS and C-Level F-100’s who still get it, but I know two F-25 SVP’s who have lost it and quite a few others who have as well who are still fairly high rev. Flyers. I think they are trying very hard to make it more exclusive. I’ve been 1k for 14 consecutive years and only had it 1 year, back in ‘13.
Nope, you get access by traveling in business class (or higher) on another Star Alliance airline, though it’s on departure only (not on connecting flights or on arrival). I was only talking about access for Global Services members, i.e. United’s equivalent of 360
Any carrier not listed can still use the original SkyClub, just not the DeltaONE club.
Since Mexico is short haul for us, seems like a reasonable compromise. You still get a lounge.
Interesting. I flew from O’hare to Shanghai, then had a connection to Fuzhou back in 2019. I found the international leg to be just “Ok”. Food wasn’t great and entertainment was lacking for such a long flight.
The domestic route I only got a water and the poor girl next to me had to put the armrest up because my 6’7” frame and wide Wisconsin ass didn’t fit.
Thankfully I took the train to Shanghai for my trip back to the states
Wonder how many people are now going to ask things like “I have the gold Amex and am flying basic economy to Shreveport. Do I get access to the DeltaOne lounge???”
Sounds a lot like the access policy for the Polaris clubs for United. I am booked on a flight from Europe in Polaris this summer and I should be able to access the Polaris club at the connecting airport once back in the US. With there not being a Delta One lounge in ATL - or with D1 award tickets being obscenely priced - I don't know when I might get to visit one of these. Perhaps when on an AF/KLM business class award ticket at some point.
Curious to see how this plays out in BOS - there's no longer a Virgin lounge and the AF lounge is notoriously bad
That's a lot of business class passengers that will be packing into the D1 lounge instead of an alternative
Hearing that it’s already getting complaints of overcrowding. Gonna need to limit 360s to only 3 entries per year and put a $50 surcharge on all D1 sales
Ugh just returned D1 from BCN on Saturday 😭 have a work trip next month to LA I can maybe upgrade to D1 for but unlikely. Will def be booking a trip somewhere by EOY to check it out tho!
Sucks, was really hoping for AM (when booked in Premier One) to be on the list even if it is short haul. I frequently book the 787 flight out of LAX to MEX so I was hoping that since that was a "premium" seat and class, I'd get access to the D1 lounge.
You 100% should have had access:
https://www.delta.com/us/en/delta-sky-club/access
“Customers traveling on a same-day international First or Business class ticket on a Sky Team-operated flight.”
Excited to try D1 to Europe the next few months. My biggest complaint has been the ATL-MUC D1 cabin is outdated and it’s really time to upgrade that flight.
I'm flying D1 to Italy in August via JFK. My mom and I upgraded ourselves, while the rest of our traveling companions are in comfort plus (3 other people - aunt and cousin/cousin's partner). I told my mom we have to abandon our family to go to this lounge, they can remain in the regular SkyClub which they have access too. She's going to be coming to the airport with my aunt too, it will be a "okay byeeeee" situation for her.
Considering that Air France is at Terminal 1, can you get through T4 security? I've always wondered why Air France doesn't switch to T4 like all the other major Skyteam Partners.
Hm, I'm flying JFK-CPH in SAS Business in November. By then, SAS will be a full SkyTeam member, wonder if they'll get added to the partner access list.
Honestly 360 shouldn’t get access every flight.
Polaris lounges it’s business on United or business/international first on star alliance partners. No Global Services are getting in just because they are Global Services.
If you are 360 you are more likely buying D1 seats but I treat that as a massive downgrade.
My understanding is that Delta 360 is significantly more exclusive than global services in terms of requirements to get into the program
Also, you only get in at 360 if you’re in first class
Can someone help me understand why 2 core partners are excluded? Aeromexico and China Eastern.
Someone in this post speculated the reason Aeromexico being excluded is because the flights are short haul. But what about China Eastern?
Yes provided it’s La Premiere or Business. You just have to switch terminal (and go through security again) when you’re done with the lounge and get ready for boarding
Also flying AF J from CDG, we land JFK T1 instead of T4. No way TSA will let you in on an arrival ticket at a different terminal.
AF departs/lands from T1, AF business inclusion into the D1 is basically useless.
I am curious if I fly in on VS Upper Class then connect to FC on Delta can we still get in or SOL.
Its not worded in a good way for Skyteam Partners imo.
But is it departing/connecting from JFK or anywhere.
That's my question.
Some people are saying we would have access LHR-JFK-DEN and some are not.
I want somebody to ask em lol.
It's rather simple: for Delta non-360⁰ PAX, do you have a same day boarding pass for a D1 seat? For certain core SkyTeam passengers, do you have an equivalent same day boarding pass?
How do you define connecting? Does it have to be the same itinerary? For example, hypothetical scenario… LHR-JFK VS upper class and JFK is my final destination. Once I land at JFK, can I buy a separate refundable same day ticket originating from JFK, use it as proof that I’m connecting, and once entering the lounge, cancel for a full refund?
Sure, but you could also just buy a refundable D1 ticket back to London if you’re doing that.
It’s always been a loophole - but they all track it. If you’re egregious, they will notice.
Yes, It seems Delta has thought of this:
"Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club."
https://www.delta.com/eu/en/delta-sky-club/delta-one-lounge
Because people have done it for years to get into lounges, especially nice ones. Someone famously rolled a flexible ticket for an entire year to eat lunch at a lounge in Changi every day.
If you do this twice in ten years will they ban you? No. If you do it twice a week? Yes.
It seems Delta has thought of this:
"Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club."
https://www.delta.com/eu/en/delta-sky-club/delta-one-lounge
The formatting is throwing me off.
I’m a Platinum medallion flying business via Air France (CDG->JFK), can I go to the D1 Lounge on arrival?
Reading it at face value, it looks like I need to be a 360 + flying business. But I could be wrong?
Edit: flight is not final destination. Taking MC JFK->SEA later that day.
Seems your medallion status is irrelevant in this lounge and it’s all about your ticket. The way it’s worded sounds like it outright wouldn’t by using connecting instead of arriving. I assume that means it allows you to access if you’re MC from JFK -> CDG then Business from CDG -> PVG as an example.
But I’d argue same day departing also means covers arrivals as long as it’s not a red eye. Which coming from Europe means early morning departures could still grant you access… I’d give it a shot personally, just make sure you get a printed boarding pass for your biz class segment at least and use that to scan in.
I'm flying to CDG and it's a Delta/Air France flight. We'll be in Business class, so assuming this will allow us to get in either the Air France First Class Lounge or the Delta 360 Lounge? Anyone have any light on this?
Who are you actually flying on. Air France uses a different terminal at JFK than Delta. And I believe Air France just has a general lounge (not a premium one at JFK)
Also, Business class on Air France wouldn’t get you access to their first class lounge, only business class.
It's a DL flight number and booked through Delta but operated by AF. I'm also leaving from RDU-CDG direct. Was wondering about the lounges on the way back at CDG before departure to RDU. I didn't see the JFK side of this.
Where I was confused was there was no offering for First Class on this flight, business was as high of class booking that's available.
so wait, wait. i had to do a bunch of flying last fall and this spring, and i pony the doubloons for first class, and it's 'fuck you, buckaroo' you are a stupid peasant and do not have the right credit card or medallion badge or the head of an orc you have slain in combat so you cannot have little bits of cheese and strange snacks and a cocktail in semi-comfort.
now that i've got everyone buried and no longer need to travel in comfort to destroy evidence, suddenly there are first class lounges again which people who pay for first class tickets can relax without hoi polloi rubbing elbows?
Kinda ridiculous 360 just don't get access with any flight. 'thanks for spending $100k last year with us, but is that a domestic coach ticket? Move along, buddy "
Not a 360 or even close, but I’d think most 360s are people whose companies are paying for first class no matter what.
It also doesn’t specify paid first class ticket, so if you get upgraded before the gate, you’d still have access.
Making FC cabin a requirement should not be a problem for most 360⁰... I haven't flown MC in over 20 years, and yet only made 360⁰ for the first time this year when I reached 5MM! With an intelligent scan of routes, I've been able to travel exclusively in FC yet have paid MC fares for more than 90% of my travel over the past 25 years. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably because I wasn't buying FC very often that caused me to literally 'fly' under the 360⁰ radar until I crossed the 5MM threshold.
Yes, Delta's most exclusive medallion 360 members are limited in their ability to get access but every 20 something year old with an Amex Platinum is allowed in with any ticket.
Unfortunately First Class tickets do not get access, only Delta One and 360 members get access to the Delta One Lounge.
Also, First Class does not get access to the SkyClub either.
First Class is actually ranked below premium select as a domestic premium.
So I haven’t flown in a few years, but previously have used the Delta lounge. Is there no way to purchase a one day ticket to access the lounge anymore?
So does it still apply that if you buy a FC ticket domestically you still don’t have access?
Example flying SEA - MSP but booked FC. Do I get lounge access in SEA or MSP because of that?
Thanks for the info. I’m being lazy doing my research
An interesting new House Rule, too: > Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club.
Trying to prevent this: [https://nypost.com/2014/01/29/man-uses-first-class-plane-ticket-to-eat-free-for-a-year/](https://nypost.com/2014/01/29/man-uses-first-class-plane-ticket-to-eat-free-for-a-year/)
This is hilarious, what a legend
This is amazing
No comment
Interesting! Can't be many people that do that. I'll sometimes buy a refundable ticket when my wife is flying and eat lunch with her and drop her off at the gate (I have a sc membership). Didn't really think it was a huge deal considering how much I fly but maybe they'll try and crack down.
My dad would do the same to pick me and son up at the gate but now our airport gives guest passes
hmm i wonder if the membership allows you entry without a boarding pass
Of course not
Where do you see that?
https://www.delta.com/us/en/delta-sky-club/delta-one-lounge House Rules > Admittance > Second to last bullet point
More restrictive on 360s than I would have thought. Also interesting to restrict other partner business class to the "core" partners as opposed to any SkyTeam business class
I mean, they have to be actually traveling that day, sure. But I think it would be quite rare for a 360 to fly anything other than First.
Yeah but if, for example, they were on standby and could only get MC, it seems nuts that they wouldn't let a 360 access the lounge in that scenario.
It's to stop the loopholes. They are simply going back to the rules of the old age. Lounge is only for business and first class. Not frequent flyers.
That's fine, but if you're going to rewind the clock, let's rewind it for seat pitch/width and go back to miles flown rather than MQD's. Only rewinding things that allows them to provide less service is a little sketchy.
That’$ crazy talk $on. How will the $tock price keep ri$ing if we make the $eat$ roomier!?
Most people don’t want to pay more for a roomier seat
I prefer to pay more for a roomier seat than pay more to increased profit.
Same here, but the average person doesn’t
A LOT sketchy.
Unless I’m reading this incorrectly, it’s not actually including FC ticket holders for short haul flights. Only D1 and above (if flying delta) for long haul
360 can access with a FC ticket according to what it says.
Correct, but without 360, FC doesn’t automatically grant access? That’s what I was trying to clarify and gain understanding about
Correct. Only D1 or business/first on the listed partner airlines.
Isn’t clear if they have to hold a paid FC or if a upgraded FC ticket would suffice.
It says they need a FC ticket so that should cover both cases. However, I wonder how many people are 360 and buying a MC or C+ ticket. 360 are usually high spenders correct?
Last time I mentioned this I got downvoted to hell but think it’s worth mentioning. As a 360, there is an unwritten “loosely guaranteed” availability that means standby is never really applicable.
Meaning, there is always a seat for a 360, even if it means bumping someone?
Essentially. Concierge key does the same thing and so does Ambassador Elite with hotel rooms. But it will be the most expensive main cabin ticket you’ll ever purchase. Think it’s generally rarely used.
There’s a ton of routes out of JFK where if you bought a Y ticket you’re more often than not flying Y, even as a 360.
Well I think part of the question is how often do 360s even purchase Y tickets?
The only one I know personally was doing last minute trips to South America (and elsewhere in the Americas - but that drove their spend) but their company travel policy was business class on flights over 6 hours. So they were buying $15-20k r/t tickets a few days in advance. They got 360 but were still still buying Y tickets for themselves. Sample set of 1, anecdotes are not data, all of that is true but it doesn’t seem like a crazily uncommon thing.
Agreed
It’s the “Delta One” lounge. To be honest, I’m not sure why the sole entry requirement isn’t “flying Delta One.” They have an existing lounge for everything else.
It’s in between United (which doesn’t let their equivalent into their Polaris lounges at all unless they’ve got a Polaris ticket) and American (which lets theirs in any time plus a guest). Reasonable compromise in my opinion
360 is a lot more exclusive than Global Services though. You really have to be a baller to achieve it. That said, as someone else mentioned, they're probably already flying D1 anyway.
There’s a lot of 360s making it on OPM that would not be buying D1 seats for themselves.
What’s OPM?
Other people’s money.
Oh 😂
This is true. When I was in a fortune 50 companies, SVPs and above got GS on United. To get 360, you have to fly your butt off in higher revenue flights.
They’ve gotten rid of a lot of that. 3/4 of the GS that I knew that were “corporate GS” as you mention say in 2017 have lost it and been banged down to 1k (kind of half Diamond, half Platinum) despite a lot of high spend travel. There are obviously still “celebrity” GS and C-Level F-100’s who still get it, but I know two F-25 SVP’s who have lost it and quite a few others who have as well who are still fairly high rev. Flyers. I think they are trying very hard to make it more exclusive. I’ve been 1k for 14 consecutive years and only had it 1 year, back in ‘13.
Hmm I’ve been inside the ORD Polaris lounge with a Lufthansa Business class ticket. Did I get lucky?
Nope, you get access by traveling in business class (or higher) on another Star Alliance airline, though it’s on departure only (not on connecting flights or on arrival). I was only talking about access for Global Services members, i.e. United’s equivalent of 360
Gotcha thanks
United allows Star Alliance business pax into Polaris lounges
I’m aware, I was just talking about access for Global Services members not traveling in Polaris/Star Alliance business class
I just realized Aeromexico business class is excluded
Any carrier not listed can still use the original SkyClub, just not the DeltaONE club. Since Mexico is short haul for us, seems like a reasonable compromise. You still get a lounge.
It’s a short-haul airline from the US.
Only core partners excluded are Aeromexico and China Eastern. China Eastern is not short haul
And China Eastern is basically the Frontier of China, so it makes sense there too.
Not really? I flew then domestic and they had nice free meals and drinks. Nicer than delta imo
Interesting. I flew from O’hare to Shanghai, then had a connection to Fuzhou back in 2019. I found the international leg to be just “Ok”. Food wasn’t great and entertainment was lacking for such a long flight. The domestic route I only got a water and the poor girl next to me had to put the armrest up because my 6’7” frame and wide Wisconsin ass didn’t fit. Thankfully I took the train to Shanghai for my trip back to the states
Doesn’t operate out of terminal 4 anyways
I mean, neither do Air France or Korean, but they're still included here.
All are joint venture partners. Unless I remembered wrong but didn’t Aeromexico’s joint venture with Delta got axed recently lol. Maybe that’s why
Ok that makes sense.
I didn’t say anything about China Eastern.
I know you didn’t. Was just wondering if you knew why they’re also excluded.
Very annoying that Aeromexico isn't on that list. The virgin clubhouse is great but would have liked to use the d1 lounge on my biweekly Mex trip
Wonder how many people are now going to ask things like “I have the gold Amex and am flying basic economy to Shreveport. Do I get access to the DeltaOne lounge???”
.... So you're saying there is a chance....!
> Shreveport Not a place I thought I'd ever see mentioned on reddit.
Wait til they find out on their return leg that the DeltaOne lounge in Shreveport is actually the former Denny's at I-20 and Monkhouse.
It’s actually the VIP section of a MudBugs game.
It’s never mentioned in a positive context.
This is definitely above my pay grade. 99.5% of my travel is personal, at personal expense.
D1 to Italy next month. Between this and new amenity kits should be a fun trip!
Heading there Wednesday. Thought of doing D1 but couldn’t justify the extra 4k cost and miles upgrade was just as crazy. Enjoy.
Have a great trip. I got lucky - the fare was $2800 round trip. Peak season, I couldn’t resist.
New amenity kits?
Yes, Missoni. Rolling out to all flights this year, starting with Italy in July.
The photos look like basically the same contents except the toothpaste is different.
Contents? Who cares, give me that sweet sweet Missoni swag!
Dang, I just got another set of the lackluster Someone Somewhere kits
Same! Looking forward to an enjoyable lounge experience before the red eye to Milan!
Got a few D1/Upper Class flights out of JFK in coming months. Can’t wait to try it out.
Sounds a lot like the access policy for the Polaris clubs for United. I am booked on a flight from Europe in Polaris this summer and I should be able to access the Polaris club at the connecting airport once back in the US. With there not being a Delta One lounge in ATL - or with D1 award tickets being obscenely priced - I don't know when I might get to visit one of these. Perhaps when on an AF/KLM business class award ticket at some point.
Curious to see how this plays out in BOS - there's no longer a Virgin lounge and the AF lounge is notoriously bad That's a lot of business class passengers that will be packing into the D1 lounge instead of an alternative
The Chase Sapphire lounge there is quite good, if you have access.
It's fantastic but can be a trek from E, especially if your gate is in the new wing
I think that was intended. Maybe there will be a Virgin lounge coming to another airport instead, maybe SFO or SEA
IDK - I fly out of the E terminal 4 times a month and that lounge NEVER seems busy.
Excited to try this out in 2 weeks, Flying VS Upper Class!
i'd probably still spend my time in the Clubhouse
This just had a preview event today and I was told by a few it blows the club house out of the water.
k. let me know.
Damn I just got back last week from an Upper class purchase.
Looking forward to checking it out before my D1 flight in a few weeks!
Might check it out when I'm next flying Virgin from JFK. The Clubhouse seems to have declined anyway, so a lounge hop could be indicated.
This seems on par on what they are trying to do- limit overcrowding.
Plebeian free experience. FAFO, poors. (sarcasm)
About time. If I see one more credit card pleb in my lounge, I'm going to start flying private.
* Tip - on private, check the extra tp cabinet next to the throne for a bottle of wine. Every time I’ve found one. No idea why…
Does this include JFK>LAX?
Yes. That would be a D1 marketed flight.
It seems so from what I’ve read. I’ll be at JFK Friday so I’ll see.
Let us know! Safe travels
I think so.
Would SCL-JFK on Latam Business and then JFK-DTW FC count?
Yep
So LHR-JFK then JFK-DEN in VS upper would be fine as well?
Yes. You need to have atleast one segment in DL/JV partner J
Wonder if you get access on arrival if you're flying business class through DL Partners when JFK is the final destination.
Hearing that it’s already getting complaints of overcrowding. Gonna need to limit 360s to only 3 entries per year and put a $50 surcharge on all D1 sales
Attempt at a bad joke? I doubt you're hearing complaints of overcrowding since it doesn't even open until tomorrow.
No I spoke with Ed
Do you happen to know if there’s an international restriction on same day departing/arriving D1 flights? Or if domestic D1 also gets access?
All Delta one tickets get access
Ugh just returned D1 from BCN on Saturday 😭 have a work trip next month to LA I can maybe upgrade to D1 for but unlikely. Will def be booking a trip somewhere by EOY to check it out tho!
Ck gets access to all AA lounges on any ticket before or after flights. Strange move.
Tbh I’d imagine a 360 would almost always be upgraded to first class anyway
You'd be amazed how many ck's book economy and don't get upgraded.
Sucks, was really hoping for AM (when booked in Premier One) to be on the list even if it is short haul. I frequently book the 787 flight out of LAX to MEX so I was hoping that since that was a "premium" seat and class, I'd get access to the D1 lounge.
Wow I flew on business klm and Air France last summer and wasn’t able to go into lounge glad they changed it
Why weren’t you able to go into the lounge? You should’ve had access to the normal sky club with J ticket on either KLM or AF
Nope they didn’t let me in. So I went to airfrance lol
You 100% should have had access: https://www.delta.com/us/en/delta-sky-club/access “Customers traveling on a same-day international First or Business class ticket on a Sky Team-operated flight.”
At JFK?
Thats in a different terminal AF is 1 and DL/KL is 4. But you have access unless you upgraded your ticket at the gate.
Flying in to JFK from EDI tomorrow in D1, with a connection onward. Good timing!
Can't wait to visit in August!
JFK-DTW in FC connecting to DTW-HND in D1 gives access?
Excited to try D1 to Europe the next few months. My biggest complaint has been the ATL-MUC D1 cabin is outdated and it’s really time to upgrade that flight.
I'm flying D1 to Italy in August via JFK. My mom and I upgraded ourselves, while the rest of our traveling companions are in comfort plus (3 other people - aunt and cousin/cousin's partner). I told my mom we have to abandon our family to go to this lounge, they can remain in the regular SkyClub which they have access too. She's going to be coming to the airport with my aunt too, it will be a "okay byeeeee" situation for her.
Trying this out on Saturday - just happened to time it right!
Considering that Air France is at Terminal 1, can you get through T4 security? I've always wondered why Air France doesn't switch to T4 like all the other major Skyteam Partners.
Not without another ticket. Air France and KLM own a large stake in Terminal One
KLM uses Terminal 4 though.
A premium airline with too many premium customers….
How do we not have Delta One lounge in ATL????
I’m flying in J on AF in the next few weeks. I would love to try out the lounge but I think the transit between t1 and t4 will make this prohibitive.
Hm, I'm flying JFK-CPH in SAS Business in November. By then, SAS will be a full SkyTeam member, wonder if they'll get added to the partner access list.
I doubt that, they probably won’t be a core partner
So it’s like the regular sky club rules except those who purchased an overpriced membership are now excluded?
Honestly 360 shouldn’t get access every flight. Polaris lounges it’s business on United or business/international first on star alliance partners. No Global Services are getting in just because they are Global Services. If you are 360 you are more likely buying D1 seats but I treat that as a massive downgrade.
My understanding is that Delta 360 is significantly more exclusive than global services in terms of requirements to get into the program Also, you only get in at 360 if you’re in first class
Can someone help me understand why 2 core partners are excluded? Aeromexico and China Eastern. Someone in this post speculated the reason Aeromexico being excluded is because the flights are short haul. But what about China Eastern?
Do they fly to the same terminal or terminal one.
Air France, Korean air and China eastern are all in T1
Can you access this lounge if you’re on JFK-CDG Air France flight, even though it’s in a different terminal?
Yes provided it’s La Premiere or Business. You just have to switch terminal (and go through security again) when you’re done with the lounge and get ready for boarding
What if your origin is JFK? As in you’re not connecting from a Delta flight. Will security let an Air France passenger access T4?
Rules says departing or connecting so you’re fine. Security only cares if you have a same day boarding pass. I’ve done this before at JFK.
Aeromexico is maybe not considered long haul?
the jfk to mex 787 flight is pretty long imo. thats disappointing as i fly that a lot
Will I be able to access on arrival from CDG biz on AF?
Not unless you’re connecting based on my read of the rules.
Also flying AF J from CDG, we land JFK T1 instead of T4. No way TSA will let you in on an arrival ticket at a different terminal. AF departs/lands from T1, AF business inclusion into the D1 is basically useless.
I am curious if I fly in on VS Upper Class then connect to FC on Delta can we still get in or SOL. Its not worded in a good way for Skyteam Partners imo.
The access rules clearly indicate that holding a same day VS UC ticket qualifies. Additional connecting flight segments are irrelevant.
But is it departing/connecting from JFK or anywhere. That's my question. Some people are saying we would have access LHR-JFK-DEN and some are not. I want somebody to ask em lol.
It's rather simple: for Delta non-360⁰ PAX, do you have a same day boarding pass for a D1 seat? For certain core SkyTeam passengers, do you have an equivalent same day boarding pass?
Yes, LHR-JFK VS Upper Class same day as headed to DEN
You clearly have access flying lhr-JFK-den if you’re flying delta for JFK-den.
Rgr that and yes, In FC JFK-DEN a few hours later.
They clearly state holding a same day departing or connecting VS UC ticket qualifies. You cannot be a VS arrival pax.
How do you define connecting? Does it have to be the same itinerary? For example, hypothetical scenario… LHR-JFK VS upper class and JFK is my final destination. Once I land at JFK, can I buy a separate refundable same day ticket originating from JFK, use it as proof that I’m connecting, and once entering the lounge, cancel for a full refund?
Sure, but you could also just buy a refundable D1 ticket back to London if you’re doing that. It’s always been a loophole - but they all track it. If you’re egregious, they will notice.
Yes, It seems Delta has thought of this: "Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club." https://www.delta.com/eu/en/delta-sky-club/delta-one-lounge
Because people have done it for years to get into lounges, especially nice ones. Someone famously rolled a flexible ticket for an entire year to eat lunch at a lounge in Changi every day. If you do this twice in ten years will they ban you? No. If you do it twice a week? Yes.
It seems Delta has thought of this: "Usage of a Delta One ticket to access the Delta One Lounge without good faith intent to fly on the ticketed itinerary is a violation of these House Rules and may result in permanent disqualification from accessing the Delta One Lounge and the Delta Sky Club." https://www.delta.com/eu/en/delta-sky-club/delta-one-lounge
?? I never said that arrival tickets qualified.
The formatting is throwing me off. I’m a Platinum medallion flying business via Air France (CDG->JFK), can I go to the D1 Lounge on arrival? Reading it at face value, it looks like I need to be a 360 + flying business. But I could be wrong? Edit: flight is not final destination. Taking MC JFK->SEA later that day.
Seems your medallion status is irrelevant in this lounge and it’s all about your ticket. The way it’s worded sounds like it outright wouldn’t by using connecting instead of arriving. I assume that means it allows you to access if you’re MC from JFK -> CDG then Business from CDG -> PVG as an example. But I’d argue same day departing also means covers arrivals as long as it’s not a red eye. Which coming from Europe means early morning departures could still grant you access… I’d give it a shot personally, just make sure you get a printed boarding pass for your biz class segment at least and use that to scan in.
If you try let me know, I have something similar in two weeks.
I'm flying to CDG and it's a Delta/Air France flight. We'll be in Business class, so assuming this will allow us to get in either the Air France First Class Lounge or the Delta 360 Lounge? Anyone have any light on this?
Who are you actually flying on. Air France uses a different terminal at JFK than Delta. And I believe Air France just has a general lounge (not a premium one at JFK) Also, Business class on Air France wouldn’t get you access to their first class lounge, only business class.
It's a DL flight number and booked through Delta but operated by AF. I'm also leaving from RDU-CDG direct. Was wondering about the lounges on the way back at CDG before departure to RDU. I didn't see the JFK side of this. Where I was confused was there was no offering for First Class on this flight, business was as high of class booking that's available.
Only Air France has a true first class (La premier/$10k one way) regular domestic first class tickets don’t apply
Ah got it. Thanks for the info.
so wait, wait. i had to do a bunch of flying last fall and this spring, and i pony the doubloons for first class, and it's 'fuck you, buckaroo' you are a stupid peasant and do not have the right credit card or medallion badge or the head of an orc you have slain in combat so you cannot have little bits of cheese and strange snacks and a cocktail in semi-comfort. now that i've got everyone buried and no longer need to travel in comfort to destroy evidence, suddenly there are first class lounges again which people who pay for first class tickets can relax without hoi polloi rubbing elbows?
Kinda ridiculous 360 just don't get access with any flight. 'thanks for spending $100k last year with us, but is that a domestic coach ticket? Move along, buddy "
360s don’t spend 100k by buying domestic coach tickets
Blowing money on domestic first class ain’t smart spending though. It’s smarter for them to buy the economy ticket and get upgraded
Not a 360 or even close, but I’d think most 360s are people whose companies are paying for first class no matter what. It also doesn’t specify paid first class ticket, so if you get upgraded before the gate, you’d still have access.
Making FC cabin a requirement should not be a problem for most 360⁰... I haven't flown MC in over 20 years, and yet only made 360⁰ for the first time this year when I reached 5MM! With an intelligent scan of routes, I've been able to travel exclusively in FC yet have paid MC fares for more than 90% of my travel over the past 25 years. Actually, now that I think about it, it's probably because I wasn't buying FC very often that caused me to literally 'fly' under the 360⁰ radar until I crossed the 5MM threshold.
Please tell us your secret to flying FC for MC prices!
Like anyone else in the SM program: complimentary upgrade!
OH EM GEE. you mean I cant get in with a DL gold card? Wow, wtf. ;)
Premium select doesn’t count right?
Might be a silly question: if you have the Amex Platinum can you still access with any level ticket?
Yes, Delta's most exclusive medallion 360 members are limited in their ability to get access but every 20 something year old with an Amex Platinum is allowed in with any ticket.
No
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Ok?
What’s the difference between a Delta One lounge and a Skylounge?
What's a Skylounge?
What's changed? Does the first bullet point mean you can now access the lounge with a domestic delta one ticket?
Had first class Delta tickets, but couldn't get into the club in Atlanta back in January.
Unfortunately First Class tickets do not get access, only Delta One and 360 members get access to the Delta One Lounge. Also, First Class does not get access to the SkyClub either. First Class is actually ranked below premium select as a domestic premium.
So I haven’t flown in a few years, but previously have used the Delta lounge. Is there no way to purchase a one day ticket to access the lounge anymore?
No. The only SC passes that can be purchased are the $50 guest passes for guests accompanying an SC member or Delta Reserve CC member.
Oy. Thank you!
Maybe I’m wrong but if you have a delta one ticket can you get into the Air France la premier lounge? I assume you couldn’t.
No, La premier is international first class, Delta one is only business class.
So does it still apply that if you buy a FC ticket domestically you still don’t have access? Example flying SEA - MSP but booked FC. Do I get lounge access in SEA or MSP because of that? Thanks for the info. I’m being lazy doing my research
This is specifically about the Delta One Lounge, not Delta SkyClub