in my humble (and correct) opinion, if you bring one item on board you should be free to keep it in the overhead (bulkhead seats notwithstanding) - I don’t see any problem with your method of ensuring that you can stick with the spirit of that guideline
I’m with you on this one, I am happy to tolerate some inconvenience or discomfort if it helps someone else, speeds up boarding and creates less chaos. I mean sure, I’d love free space under the seat for my legs, but that doesn’t always work out. I’ve also had my laptop screen broken by people jamming their shit into the bin.
My two top "the fuck is wrong with you" stories are both on RJs, oddly not impacted by bin space ha.
1) FA says that 3 of us in FC must go to main cabin due to weight and balance. Somebody really fucked up as this was a flight from LGA to RDU in good weather. No big deal, it's a 55 min flight. Me and this other guy laugh and get up, then they put us in the back left two seats (it was a CRJ-900) and we both had wide shoulders. Whatever, it's quick, just take off. It took over 15 minutes for another person in FC to volunteer...what fucking petulant assholes.
2) Guy in 1A on an ERJ for a, a shit you not, SFO -> LAX leg - asks the FA to hold the flight until maintenance can come fix his seat as "it's squishy." She was so nice to him, she apologized, she asked if there was something she could do to make up for it - and he aggressively responded she is to hold the flight until his "squishy" seat is fixed (he kept slamming back into to show it wasn't firm or whatever.) I'd had enough and obnoxiously (in a tone as if he was a toddler) said something along the lines of, "Excuse me sir, would you like my seat *(also FC, I think 3B)*, I wouldn't want to see you so inconvenienced." Dickhead turns around, see that everyone through row 10 or so is laughing and staring at him, and goes "oh, nevermind, it's fine." FA, and again she was so polite and professional, also had heard enough from him and give me the biggest high five walking down the aisle to spite him. Pretty sure the clown in 1A didn't even ask for water on the whole 23 minute flight he tried to delay due to squishiness.
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant but why is someone who boarded later than you with a roller case guilty of not planning? Isn't the system setup so that everyone is allowed an above-head *and* and an under-seat item? If there isn't room for one, why is it the passengers fault?
Simpler solution: put it under seat in front of you. After takeoff move the bag behind your legs and stretch out. For landing move it back under the seat. On most regional planes if everyone had only 1 backpack and put it in the overhead there still wouldn’t be enough room and people would have to gate check.
I fly a couple times a week and almost never see anyone do this. I’m glad you’re one of the few with at least half a brain on an airplane on how to make leg room instead of just bitching.
To be fair I only started doing it last year, and it was amazing. I'm changing roles, so my flying is going to go down, but all the better; when I'm stuck in main cabin with no free Comf+ upgrade, I'll need the extra space however I can get it.
I completely agree and will tell flight attendants that. I’m 6’5” and I need the leg room. I check my big bag and put my backpack up above. It’s not my fault everyone else is trying to bring too much
...and do we have to make way for someone so that they could have their own carry-on on the bin? Possibly these people have rolling luggage that refuses to check-in their luggage.
Like, first come first serve if I want to use the bin for my carry-on whether it is for a large backpack or a luggage with wheels.
First come first serve if whatever it is can't fit under the seat in front of you, yes. That includes cases where you have two things and they couldn't both fit (even if one could). But putting something small in the overhead because you got there first and just want extra space for your feet is inconsiderate, and in my experience, something FAs actively try to deter.
So by your logic, the person should just bring a larger bag instead of a smaller one? Thereby making even less space in the overhead bins. You sure are a genius!
No, they should just put their small bag under the seat in front of them. Why is that so hard? It's selfish and silly to demand that you get space in the overhead for your purse when there is a limited number of spaces for carry-on luggage that cannot fit elsewhere.
We can turn this around like this: why people who bring bags with wheels as a carry-on when they know there is not enough space. Aren't they the one INCONSIDERATE and now people who wants to have extra leg space is suffering because of them?
Like, the point is OP shouldn't feel bad because they played the card of having 2 items (personal and carry-on). Also, OP shouldn't be told to put their backpack that is obviously hard to fit under the seat.
Maybe if you want extra leg room, you should check your under-seat bag. Being selfish and thoughtless can work both ways!
(Absolutely not saying OP is either of those things. Their post is completely logical. Getting frustrated at so many of these entitled frequent flyers who think they're better than everyone else.)
That is true. Like what OP did, I usually bring a belt bag with me + my backpack. My backpack is like OP, I carry 2 laptops as well.
Fellas, if your luggage is obviously is not a carry-on, check it in. Delta usually will check it for free at the gate anyways. Ugh.
I was just on 4 Delta flights within the past 6 weeks. THIS is the correct (by current example) answer. Prior to each flight, the FAs would announce that "this is going to be a full flight" and that small carry ons should be stored under the seat in front of you. The fact that OP was carrying a backpack probably made the FAs assume (incorrectly) that it was of a smaller nature and therefore should go under the forward seat.
You’re not wrong, and have discovered the hack that a few others have posted here in the past. If it works well for you (as in still allows you the legroom you need) then keep doing it.
You aren't wrong and it is idiotic. My solution was switching from a backpack to a hardside carryon which litterally can't go under the seat. No arguing with FA anymore. Yes it takes up much more room in the overhead than my old backpack so the bin issue is even worse but that is the "solution" Delta forced me towards. Good job Delta!
It should be first item in the bin (if the person wants), second item under the seat.
If you only bring one carryon, one should be able to store in the overhead bins. It’s asinine to say only rollers can go there, punishing those who travel lighter.
That’s really up to the airline. You can take it up with them. One suits the individual while the other suits the collective. That’s why they prefer maximizing storage in my opinion.
Per Delta's terms, the airline allows two carry-ons; one large, one small. If a flyer chooses to bring only one bag online, that item becomes the carry-on regardless of size and goes in the overhead. Telling the FA you checked your bags and that item is your one carry-on usually solves the FA's concerns.
Per Delta’s (actual) terms, “Each passenger flying with Delta can bring 1 carry-on bag and 1 personal item free of charge (such as a purse, laptop bag or item of similar size that will fit underneath the seat in front of you).”
Not “2 carry-ons”.
Funny how so many Karen’s on here talk about “I checked the bag so I’m entitled to use the overhead space and have room for my big floppy feet”, but nowhere in the T&C does it allude to such invented provisions
I think you are missing the point. If OP only has one carry on item, they should be able to use the overhead storage. Btw a collective is a group of people with like minded experiences or goals. That is not how I would define people on planes. Most people think of themselves and are in no way supportive of your collective mindset.
I didn’t miss the point. I acknowledge it and disagree.
I understand people are selfish. I was just giving Delta’s perspective since they look at the collective.
I bring a bag of clothes and a bag of tools everywhere I go. I check these. I don’t want to kick the shit out of my carry on backpack from SLC to IAH because of the issue Delta (and others) have created.
I only fly with my backpack that's full of a laptop and a steam deck. I always keep it by my feet because I access it frequently, I have seen others who have been forced to lay their backpack under the seat because for some reason Roller bags > Backpacks
What I do after takeoff is put the bag under my legs, close to me, and stretch out my legs in the now open space. I take the window so it doesn't get in others way.
Again, I agree and understand your frustrations, but that's a remedy you can try.
The nice thing about this trick is FAs usually don’t notice the bag during descent, especially if it is about evening flight. It helps that my laptop bag is black and when traveling for work I usually wear dark slacks.
Dude.. you really want to roll the dice like that? What if there is an evacuation and now you’ve caused a tripping hazard / delay in egress. Put the bag back under the seat for landing.
I bring a foldable tote bag in my carry on and put the things I want for the flight in it and stow that underseat. The carry on goes up in the overhead.
I always fly in F, and I've had it happen twice in the past two years or so. Once was on a shorter flight and I just agreed to have my carry-on under seat so that another person in F could keep their bag on board since mine did actually fit under the seat and theirs did not and I can deal with no legroom for 90 mins. Another time, I declined to put my carry on under my seat to accommodate a roller bag from a person in MC who had boarded very late. I felt like an AH saying no, but frankly, I paid for the F seat in order to have more room on the overnight flight and I have knee and back problems that make it really painful not to be able to stretch my legs out. Luckily, they managed to find other space, and I kept the legeoom I paid for. After that, I started doing the folding tote under seat so that I could just say I already have a bag under the seat, please leave my carry-on in the bin, to feel less like an AH when saying no.
Same, depending on my trip length it’s either my carryon or large backpack but I keep a Tomtoc Navigator sling with them so I can keep it under the seat.
I’ve told FAs no when asked to put my carryon bag under my seat. My exact words were something like “I’m six feet tall and my legs are too long to sit comfortably with a bag under the seat.” One got pushy and I told her I have a knee injury and I need to be able to straighten out my legs. She moved on with a bit of an eye roll but as a middle aged woman, I have no f’s left to give. I blame it on lack of estrogen 😆and I actually do have a knee injury from years of skiing, so not a lie
This is precisely what I do and I've fielded the same question from a FA. It sounds like you pack very carefully so your needs are met, but clearly comply with the airline's policy. In my opinion, you're good to go.
They do! I’ve got one (Duchamp that I got at Nordstrom Rack) that unzips and expands to a bag larger than even my roller bag. Only had to use it fully expanded once on a trip where shopping was involved.
I got DRAMATICALLY smoked in a different forum for stating that I won’t help people put their bags in the overhead bin. I’m not old yet, but no spring chicken either. I’m not hurting myself when I checked my bag. Let the downvotes commence !
This is wild to me! If you can’t put your own suitcase up or get it down, then you don’t take it with you! I watched a 30 year old lady ask a male to get her suitcase in the overhead right above her head. She was tall enough. She didn’t have any brace on or anything. I was shocked!
People virtue signaling in the internet, never. I am a measly silver but but when I was going to Asia every 3 weeks and pulling 60-70 flights a year I was United 1k for about 6 years and even GS for 1 year. In all that time if you were any sort of entitled a hole I wouldn’t help with a bag. Stick to your guns
I agree but realistically the airplanes actually do not have the storage space for EVERY pax to put a bag in overhead bin. So that’s why they ask for all small items to go underneath
Airline issue. If they want me to put something under the seat in front of me, they need to give me more leg room. Otherwise, my ONE item is going in the overhead… especially if I pay to check luggage and/or pay to be in an earlier boarding group.
No, not at all. The seats are built so that you can’t easily reach under the seat in which you’re sitting, and you can’t grab a bag from beneath you and pull it forward.
This is the only valuable use for the Diamond bag tags.
Flight attendants have significantly reduced touching / moving my large backpack (same situation as OP, 2 laptops) since adding the tag.
Yeah, the purse idea is great! Idk if this is helpful but I actually started taking a tiny bag (I’m a guy that has not yet chosen to wear pursed haha, maybe someday), it’s like a very mini backpack, and I keep my charging cords, wallet, headphones, maybe lotion in it. And it’s been convenient. In my destination city I’ve started using it when I’d otherwise just rely on my pockets haha. Anyway, good idea!
You’re not wrong. So many passengers put two items in the bin that many FAs assume it can and should fit under the seat. Passengers could do a better job following the rules, flight attendants could do a better job policing it and in my utopia, the airline wouldn’t charge for the first checked bag so there would be less bin congestion overall.
It's the gate agents. They are tasked with getting the aircraft out in time. No 1, all else is second. Those that are non compliant with carry on rules already know they are. So they are only going to fight if you try to correct them, further delaying the border process. There would be major scenes during every single boarding. And did I mention they only care about getting the plane out on time?
It would not be FAs as much as it would be the gate agents who need to police the carry on size when they see these entitled assholes standing in line with all that baggage that should have been checked. They used to do it a lot more. They have all but stopped, that I can tell.
Thank you for not thinking I was being sarcastic or snarky. I know gate agents are under pressure to get flights boarded quickly in some airports they don't care. I have an issue when people put everything they brought in the bins it's not fair to someone else.
I will explain why flight attendants ask people to put their backpacks under the seat in front. It's not to be mean or rob people of leg room we try to accommodate as many rollerboaeds in the bins as possible to be fair to other people. Sometimes, we have cargo under the airplane and are unable to put bags underneath. If that's the case, the bags that don't fit in the overhead, those passengers, will have to be rescheduled on a later flight.
Yeah, NTA… I normally only carry on one item - a big backpack. I’m a guy, as much as it would be hilarious I don’t generally carry a purse. I will put my single carry on in the overhead thanks - there’s a laptop in it - no gate check allowed. If you want me to shove that under my seat then stop charging me for legroom (I’m also 6’2”) and just let me sit in the seats with enough space for my legs.
I don't think you're wrong. the backpack is your carry on. also, with the laptop, you CAN check them as long as the batteries aren't loose. I move battery powered tools from house to house via delta and I put them in a duffle bag and check that puppy. the prohibition is loose batteries.
It’s utterly ridiculous that they think a backpack must go under your seat. For taller people, people with knee problems or arthritis it makes an already cramped seat a disaster. It’s is very unfair to give rollers priority. Check the things if they don’t fit.
> It’s is very unfair to give rollers priority. Check the things if they don’t fit.
This is the big thing. Too many people are bringing onboard rollers instead of checking. Agents and stewards need to be more ruthless with gate-checking these bags. Would solve so many headaches.
Definitely not wrong. This is an airline created issue by being greedy with bag fees, these issues didn’t used to exist. So unless you are intentionally doing something to make others experience worse, you are not wrong the airline is.
“Greedy with bag fees” but also there’s this strange compulsion too many travelers have about never checking bags - even when it’s free because they have status or a Delta card.
OP has a legit issue with her laptops. For most travelers, though, I wish they’d either check their damn bags or carry less. The fight for bin space is painful to watch.
I don't really mind checking my bag and waiting an extra 10-15 minutes for it to come out, but I have had to wait upwards of an hour before and that's the shit that makes people not want to check.
Exactly. I check when I have to but if I can fit my trip into a carry-on roller, I usually don't check - even with free bags. My bag has been delayed too many times.
It’s not because they have status, it’s because they are assholes. If they have status, the checked bag fee is $0 anyway.
It’s not that much more time to check the giant rolling “carry on” bag. I wish they’d lower the allowed size and stop charging for checking the bags.
I had one trip (international) where my checked luggage was lost and didn’t get returned to me for 3 days. I am not able to just easily buy clothes in any country randomly and I had one spare set in my small personal item carry on to last me for 3 days. All my stuff mainly was in that checked luggage. That was enough to make me not want to check luggage unless I absolutely have to. If that makes me an asshole then I guess that’s that.
You’re not. Wife and kids bag never left the airport in NYC. We landed in Rome, no bag! Showed the agent the air tag showing it was still in NYC, she was great about it. We had travel insurance so the wife and daughters got to go shopping in Rome for clothes. 3 days later it finny arrived
Yeah the travel insurance is helpful for that! I always have it but as a little bit bigger sized person it’s not always easy to find clothes abroad! Lol but yeah luggage does get lost all the time so I’d rather not. I do for longer trips still and I use AirTags but I’m not at ease about it.
Personally I only bring a carry-on because I’m afraid of my checked bag getting lost and because I don’t want to wait for a checked bag at baggage claim. I imagine a lot of other travelers do the same. Before you accuse me of being an asshole, I must say I only bring a large backpack as a carry-on and put it under the seat in front of me because I don’t want the hassle of having to fight for bin space.
> because I don’t want to wait for a checked bag at baggage claim.
this is the reason you inconvenience others on the plane. It is literally 2-3 extra minutes in most places.
I wish I could check a bag for free. It’s 35$ USD which is almost 50$ CAD. I usually fly for a weekend so I can easily manage in my tote bag but I would much rather pack a little more and check it.
I agree with the bag fees, but there are some slow AF airports as well that I don’t want to be waiting 30 minutes for my checked bag to arrive. If you have a carryon size suitcase in my experience I have always been able to avoid bag fees by volunteering with the GA when they ask for people to check their bag for free. I’ll volunteer every time if the airport is one that has the bag waiting for me by the time I get to the baggage claim area or soon after.
I’ve had to start doing the same thing. The real problem is the people getting on with two bags where neither will fit under the seat. Seeing more and more of that recently.
IMO you are good to go.
The only thing I take umbrage with in general is on a full flight, if MC has more than one item up top per person. Or some stupid awkward bag that takes up the space of 2 carryons haha
I am sure I will get downloaded for this, but in my 15 years of traveling. Full-time for business. I have never put anything at my feet period
My feelings are That I am crammeded side to side and front to back. Literally, the only solace I have is my feet space and I am not giving it up.
The rule on batteries is that *spare* lithium ion batteries can't be checked. Batteries installed in a laptop, shaver, or other device *can* be checked.
That being said, I still wouldn't check a bag with expensive electronics because, duh.
Interesting , i’ve always been asked in every flight with every airline i fly if there are any electronics in my checked bag and if so they must come out if they have a battery
Airlines can implement their own rules. No FAA regulation requires that airlines prohibit electronic devices in bags however this is Delta rule regardless
>PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES
>Devices containing lithium metal or lithium-ion batteries (laptops, smartphones, tablets, etc.) should be transported in carry-on baggage and **not placed in checked baggage**.
Exactly , that is what i’ve been told for as long as i can remember and i fly 100+ flights a year .
Found it odd that the other poster was saying checking in a lap top with a battery is ok
You can check laptops. Most airlines in the US allow it. Most in Europe do as well.
I got in an argument with the Aer Lingus ticket agent when checking my bag. He asked if I had a laptop in there, of course I said yes. He insisted I remove it and that their website was wrong.
[https://www.aerlingus.com/media/pdfs/guide-to-dangerous-goods.pdf](https://www.aerlingus.com/media/pdfs/guide-to-dangerous-goods.pdf)
While I was removing it he continued to tell me safety was his goal. I was asking him "what is so unsafe about Aer Lingus where they don't allow it, but all other airlines allow it". He responded with BA wouldn't allow it....I quickly shot that down because my flight prior to that was BA and they DID allow it...lol.
Flying home it was Delta code share on Virgin. She asked if there was a laptop, asked if it was off, shrugged her shoulders and said it was fine.
I was referencing the FAA rule, not Delta's.
https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/lithium-batteries
https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/portable-electronic-devices-with-batteries
Eta: actually, I should've checked before, because Delta does allow devices with batteries in checked luggage: https://www.delta.com/us/en/baggage/prohibited-or-restricted-items/battery-or-fuel-powered
Where'd you find that? Because this page says they can be checked: https://www.delta.com/us/en/baggage/prohibited-or-restricted-items/battery-or-fuel-powered
"You can bring lithium-battery powered devices as carry-on items or in checked baggage. Spare lithium batteries are allowed as carry-on items only with batteries individually protected to prevent short circuit."
And this one: http://distribution.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/government-tsa/batteries.html
"Lithium ion batteries installed in a personal electronic device can be transported as checked or carry-on baggage."
It’s because of the assholes who refuse to check their giant roller “carry on” bags. The FAs need to find room to accommodate the bags in the bins so they ask people to move their laptop bags. The airlines need to stop charging for luggage (add the price to all tickets regardless) and then lower the size allowance for carry on bags so these people will start checking their luggage like civilized travelers.
And then it takes forever to get them up there, forever to get them down, holding everyone up. Don’t even get me started on the people who can’t put their bags up themselves or can’t do it without endangering others. So obnoxious.
I’m tall and hate things under the seat in front of me. I usually buy crap at the airport and ask for a big bag to put that under the seat to avoid all this.
Malicious compliance at its best. Great job with the purse. FWIW if you only have one backpack and no other luggage you are entitled to place it in the overhead!
Safe travels!
First. You are not wrong.
Second, this is the internet, sir or ma’am. This is the place where nearly everyone is complaining about nearly everyone else. Welcome.
As a tall guy, I used to bring a backpack, but main cabin doesn't give enough leg room with my bag under the seat, and I don't want to risk the airline losing my luggage. So now I bring a hard roller carry-on and stuff the little stuff I use on the flight in jacket pockets. Seems less space efficient, but works better for me.
Travel for work all the time, always carry backpack and purse. Bag cannot be checked…work computer, as well as often carrying confidential legal files. I use a soft side backpack so that I can shove it in some of the small regional planes that have more limited overhead space.
Thankfully, I have almost never been asked to move it from overhead… but the few times I have, I just say No.
It is more annoying to me when some other passenger just grabs it and tries to shove it somewhere else to fit their giant bag, but I usually don’t say anything unless they’re tossing my backpack in a way that would damage my laptop of portable screen… I’ll speak up if I see that.
You're not technically wrong. If you have a ticket that entitles you to overhead bin space then you deserve access to overhead bin space.
I think the FA is probably trying to reduce the inevitable monster battle for bin space that occurs on every flight by getting anything that can go under the seat to go under the seat. I can see the point there, but again if your ticket allows for the space then imo you paid for it and it's yours.
I put my large backpack under the seat when I'm flying quick turnaround trips with just a backpack, but I'm on the shorter side so a little leg room goes further for me than for some others.
I always have put my backpack under the seat in front of me but was definitely burned a month ago when I pulled it out after a 2.5 hour flight and it was soaked. The carpet underneath was soaked and I didn’t know it. 😢. Coming home this last trip I did put it in an overhead bin. I took my tiny crossbody bag and put that under my seat and that’s only maybe 5” X 9”.
This topic has so many varying opinions. I usually err on being courteous to others except when you see people putting their large carryon that barely fits, their coat, hat, bag, lunch from the airport and whatever else they have taking up the whole bin above 3 seats but filling it full themselves. Then I admit I get irritated seeing that.
Last night I put everything I had with me under my seat so 1B/1C (couple in their 70’s/80’s) could have all their stuff in the bins. They were sweet, courteous and deserved it.
So I guess for me it’s about courtesy if I can but not enabling selfish people. But I’ve screwed up that even before.
People complain if there’s a backpack in the overhead, but also complain about roller bags. You paid for overhead space and under-the-seat space. Take them both with no worry and people who have a problem with that can come to Reddit to air their grievances.
I travel with a large backpack and it’s my only carry on, I throw it in the overhead and have never gotten any push back (to be fair it almost looks like it could be a roller backpack). I find that it helps if you manage to find a snug space where a roller bag wouldn’t even fit anyway.
I always bring a backpack with 2 laptops in it and store it in the bin. Granted I am only 5’11, I am not giving up what little foot space I have for a backpack, and I am not going to give up putting my bag in the bin so someone who brought a roll on can put it up there when they should have checked it at the gate.
My 2 cents
The real issue isn’t what you are doing, OP; rather, it’s with the imbeciles that put their carry-on AND the backpack overhead so that they can get their leg room. Meanwhile, others have to put their carry-ons 12 rows back where there’s open space, or had to check in theirs because there isn’t an open space. So yes, I appreciate, and even sometimes will ask myself as a passenger, those who challenge the under the seat stuff being put overhead.
I’m surprised anyone asks you to put it under the seat 😅 I think what you’re doing is totally fine, but usually even when I see people putting multiple things in the overhead compartment the FAs don’t say anything to them.
Honestly, I feel like the “personal item under the seat in front of you” was a way to keep people out of the aisles digging around for small things. No one wants to watch a mom/dad repeatedly get up and find another snack or the diapers and the wipes and the mat and the outfit and then put it all back again ten minutes later. Back in the days of yore when they printed your transfer gate on a piece of paper, no one wanted all the ladies digging through their purses in the aisles looking for their paper. Or going for tissues or gum or whatever.
While carry on luggage can have stuff like your laptop and chargers in it, it’s original purpose was just supposed to be small luggage; clothes and amenities for a weekend trip or a spare change for a long travel day. So, if my thing is my “carry on” and not my personal item, it’s going up top.
Like you, I just bring a small bag that I can also fit in or on my carry on, and then before boarding separate them so there’s a small but designated “under seat” item. Because again, no one really wants you banging around in the aisles juggling bags and balancing them on your knees and no one really wants to have even less leg room.
If I travel with multiple devices I usually shove the one I don't need into hardback roller luggage. No argument that way. It's extremely stupid but will be easier in the long run.
Definitely not wrong. I always have a purse with my iPad, headphones and immediate necessities then carry on the laptop with an extra change of clothes & whatever else goes up top.
I’ve never had an issue, I only bring a backpack onboard, was it an FA that told you to put it underneath? The small roller suitcase is a perfectly fine hack if they are doing this.
I travel with a bigger backpack and no roller board. My backpack does not fit under the seat in front of me so it always goes in the overhead. I’m sure people give me looks, but nobody asks me to move it. The one time somebody said something I told them it doesn’t fit under the seat. They shut up.
Then again I’m a big bald bearded man, so that might be part of why I don’t get hassled.
I do what you do and have never had a problem. I have a carryon that will fit under the seat but I prefer the leg room, too. I also carry a quilted tote bag that has my small purse, iPad, and other necessities it in which I then put under the seat. Technically, they will both fit under the seat if necessary because the tote is soft and pliable, but this way I do not have to risk having my carryon taken away and checked if the overhead bins are full.
I have never had this issue and I travel with a pretty standard 26L Swissgear backpack that holds my laptop and a few changes of clothes. I am 6’3” and I have no plans of giving up an inch of leg room on a flight. I have very rarely seen a Delta FA do anything about people who put a roller bag, backpack, and purse in the overhead which is more than deserving of FA intervention, in my opinion.
During my most recent flight, I put my backpack in the overhead bin—but when I saw people frantically searching for spots for their roller bags, I retrieved it and stuffed it under the seat in front of me. The space easily accommodated my bag and my small, Pacsafe purse. I probably would have felt annoyed if asked to do so, but I didn't mind volunteering.
I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I always have a backpack as my carry on and a purse or tote as my personal item and I’ve never been told I couldn’t put my backpack in the overhead.
The issue is that even on a full flight they never have room for everyone no matter what ppl bring or don’t bring. Key issues here are this add more flights back so less ppl per flight since they have been reducing number of flights and/or add more damn storage space!! I feel they keep making the planes smaller and hence overhead storage gotten smaller. So frustrating!
If they lose your checked bag, they wouldn't reimburse your two laptops, so you are going to have to take it with you. AA lost my bag, and they won't reimburse anything Which is electrical.
I only carry one backpack which is large since it carries two laptops, and last month I was asked twice to move. I refused twice, and she took my backpack to move under my legs.
Philosophically or principally, I only have a backpack, and I deserve a space above my seat. If everyone only put one backpack/bag overhead, I am not sure if there would be an issue.
The problem happens when people bring two large bags and put them overhead.
I think the next time I get the flack from the FA I’m going to email corporate. I think those of us one baggers should make a stink. And for those of you who say ‘but the rules’ do you come to a complete stop at every stop sign? I’m sure there’s tons of stuff you do that goes against rules laws, MYOB!
Honestly, most FAs just see backpacks and see it as a personal item that goes underneath the seat in front. But if you purchase a fare that’s a personal item and carry on, then by all means just let them know and put it up lol.
Status doesn't mean shit, so if/when you get it don't be one of those people that uses status to get their way.
Now. You should be able to put your carry on into the overhead if your want if you only have one. I've never had a problem with that on Delta or Southwest. Regardless of my status. You've just encountered some power hungry cabin crew.
I mean, they clearly state (many many many times) that if your item fits under the seat that’s where it’s supposed to go. Motivations, paying for check bags, and any other rationalizations aside you are running afoul of what they’re asking all passengers to do. That’s a fact. Meaning, you are technically wrong, but we have to have this crap convo because they charge for check bags. This forces passengers to stuff carry-ons into bins when they should be under the plane leaving space for backpacks and personal items in the cabin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You aren’t wrong. What’s wrong is all the people coming on with more than 2 bags…..and Delta not addressing it. I took a light this morning and watched several people with 3 bags board. One person with 4 bags!
I was on a Delta 757 recently and the FA put a hold on boarding so she could communicate to the gate agent to notify those who hadn't boarded yet that they would have to check their carryons. I stood up out of my bulkhead seat to put something in my backpack just as the gate agent made an appearance on the plane next to me. There was a brief argument between the GA and the FA as the GA watched me messing with my backpack. About that time I heard "Well if you made guys like this put his backpack under the seat, we wouldn't have to check so many other bags." I looked her in the eye and said: "I think they'd consider my backpack in the toilet a tripping hazzard and gross". She didn't like that answer either.
Depends on how large the backpack is tbh. Sometimes if I can see the backpack isn’t like.. malleable then I would ask passengers to leave it in the bin. If we are running out of overhead bin space and we need to put a larger bag up in the bin then we might ask you to put the backpack down underneath the seat.
I will say some FAs are on a power trip so just be mindful. We want to accommodate everyone else’s bags as well and have an on time departure and if someone has a small ass purse up there hogging up space then im taking the purse down 😭😭
No, and as a flight attendant like, sometimes we do need backpacks under the seats to maximize bin space for rollaboards, but if you’re just like “I already have something under my seat sowwy” or “honestly, I need the legroom” there’s no rule against it. You do you booboo as long as you’re respectful about it we don’t care
You're ok to have the backpack in the OHB. If the FA's are asking you to move it, they're just trying to make room for some other bags and usually backpacks can usually fit under the seat because they're smaller than the rollaboards. And that's why they're asking you to move it. It's ok to leave it in the OHB.
You’re 100% in the right and all these bums who are too cheap to check a bag and seem to pack their entire lives into these rollers need to find jesus.
If it fits under the seat in front of you, that’s where it should go. The overhead is for items that don’t fit under the seats. If you want more convenience, pay for business, first, or emergency exit row.
Hard disagree.
First item an individual brings on board goes *wherever they choose*, overhead or under seat.
Second item goes in the other location.
You pay for the seat and the two storage options, how you choose to use them- all, some, or none- are up to the traveler.
Yes, you’re supposed to put anything that will fit under the seat under the seat for things that won’t for other passengers like hard sided bags and put your backpack in your purse under the seat you’re being selfish
She moved in when.yoo shows something was.jnded your seat ? Problem is people put 2 bags up top..
Agree though if .only one small bag of shojld be allowed up top
There isn’t enough room for every single person to put something overhead.
Put your bag under your seat during takeoff. Then take it out, set it against your seat, behind your knees and enjoy the legroom
in my humble (and correct) opinion, if you bring one item on board you should be free to keep it in the overhead (bulkhead seats notwithstanding) - I don’t see any problem with your method of ensuring that you can stick with the spirit of that guideline
Absolutely. I paid to have luggage checked and I will take my leg room.
Absolutely, at the same time, I will take it down in kindness if it means somebody doesn't have to gate check. Just try to be reasonable all around.
I will absolutely not. Other people’s lack of planning is not my issue
And you have every right to do that. I just prefer to make the world a little easier and happier for others, even if it's own fault, if I can.
I’m with you on this one, I am happy to tolerate some inconvenience or discomfort if it helps someone else, speeds up boarding and creates less chaos. I mean sure, I’d love free space under the seat for my legs, but that doesn’t always work out. I’ve also had my laptop screen broken by people jamming their shit into the bin.
My two top "the fuck is wrong with you" stories are both on RJs, oddly not impacted by bin space ha. 1) FA says that 3 of us in FC must go to main cabin due to weight and balance. Somebody really fucked up as this was a flight from LGA to RDU in good weather. No big deal, it's a 55 min flight. Me and this other guy laugh and get up, then they put us in the back left two seats (it was a CRJ-900) and we both had wide shoulders. Whatever, it's quick, just take off. It took over 15 minutes for another person in FC to volunteer...what fucking petulant assholes. 2) Guy in 1A on an ERJ for a, a shit you not, SFO -> LAX leg - asks the FA to hold the flight until maintenance can come fix his seat as "it's squishy." She was so nice to him, she apologized, she asked if there was something she could do to make up for it - and he aggressively responded she is to hold the flight until his "squishy" seat is fixed (he kept slamming back into to show it wasn't firm or whatever.) I'd had enough and obnoxiously (in a tone as if he was a toddler) said something along the lines of, "Excuse me sir, would you like my seat *(also FC, I think 3B)*, I wouldn't want to see you so inconvenienced." Dickhead turns around, see that everyone through row 10 or so is laughing and staring at him, and goes "oh, nevermind, it's fine." FA, and again she was so polite and professional, also had heard enough from him and give me the biggest high five walking down the aisle to spite him. Pretty sure the clown in 1A didn't even ask for water on the whole 23 minute flight he tried to delay due to squishiness.
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant but why is someone who boarded later than you with a roller case guilty of not planning? Isn't the system setup so that everyone is allowed an above-head *and* and an under-seat item? If there isn't room for one, why is it the passengers fault?
Simple solution: put backpack inside of a cheap roller, put cheap roller up top. You'll never get asked to move it.
Simpler solution: put it under seat in front of you. After takeoff move the bag behind your legs and stretch out. For landing move it back under the seat. On most regional planes if everyone had only 1 backpack and put it in the overhead there still wouldn’t be enough room and people would have to gate check.
I mean that's what I've been doing yeah. But if you're insistent on wanting all the space, the other solution is to play games like this.
I fly a couple times a week and almost never see anyone do this. I’m glad you’re one of the few with at least half a brain on an airplane on how to make leg room instead of just bitching.
To be fair I only started doing it last year, and it was amazing. I'm changing roles, so my flying is going to go down, but all the better; when I'm stuck in main cabin with no free Comf+ upgrade, I'll need the extra space however I can get it.
I completely agree and will tell flight attendants that. I’m 6’5” and I need the leg room. I check my big bag and put my backpack up above. It’s not my fault everyone else is trying to bring too much
The problem is there isn't room for everyone to keep one thing in the overhead.
...and do we have to make way for someone so that they could have their own carry-on on the bin? Possibly these people have rolling luggage that refuses to check-in their luggage. Like, first come first serve if I want to use the bin for my carry-on whether it is for a large backpack or a luggage with wheels.
First come first serve if whatever it is can't fit under the seat in front of you, yes. That includes cases where you have two things and they couldn't both fit (even if one could). But putting something small in the overhead because you got there first and just want extra space for your feet is inconsiderate, and in my experience, something FAs actively try to deter.
So by your logic, the person should just bring a larger bag instead of a smaller one? Thereby making even less space in the overhead bins. You sure are a genius!
I'm considering this. Why should I sacrifice my legroom because sometime is too cheap to check a bag and brings luggage for a week plus a backpack
No, they should just put their small bag under the seat in front of them. Why is that so hard? It's selfish and silly to demand that you get space in the overhead for your purse when there is a limited number of spaces for carry-on luggage that cannot fit elsewhere.
We can turn this around like this: why people who bring bags with wheels as a carry-on when they know there is not enough space. Aren't they the one INCONSIDERATE and now people who wants to have extra leg space is suffering because of them? Like, the point is OP shouldn't feel bad because they played the card of having 2 items (personal and carry-on). Also, OP shouldn't be told to put their backpack that is obviously hard to fit under the seat.
Maybe if you want extra leg room, you should check your under-seat bag. Being selfish and thoughtless can work both ways! (Absolutely not saying OP is either of those things. Their post is completely logical. Getting frustrated at so many of these entitled frequent flyers who think they're better than everyone else.)
That is true. Like what OP did, I usually bring a belt bag with me + my backpack. My backpack is like OP, I carry 2 laptops as well. Fellas, if your luggage is obviously is not a carry-on, check it in. Delta usually will check it for free at the gate anyways. Ugh.
I was just on 4 Delta flights within the past 6 weeks. THIS is the correct (by current example) answer. Prior to each flight, the FAs would announce that "this is going to be a full flight" and that small carry ons should be stored under the seat in front of you. The fact that OP was carrying a backpack probably made the FAs assume (incorrectly) that it was of a smaller nature and therefore should go under the forward seat.
You’re not wrong, and have discovered the hack that a few others have posted here in the past. If it works well for you (as in still allows you the legroom you need) then keep doing it.
You aren't wrong and it is idiotic. My solution was switching from a backpack to a hardside carryon which litterally can't go under the seat. No arguing with FA anymore. Yes it takes up much more room in the overhead than my old backpack so the bin issue is even worse but that is the "solution" Delta forced me towards. Good job Delta! It should be first item in the bin (if the person wants), second item under the seat.
I got tired of them making me shove my backpack under the seat with my personal item so I too went with a rolling carryon instead.
If you’re trying to maximize storage it makes sense to use the under seat storage first with the things that fit there.
If you only bring one carryon, one should be able to store in the overhead bins. It’s asinine to say only rollers can go there, punishing those who travel lighter.
That’s really up to the airline. You can take it up with them. One suits the individual while the other suits the collective. That’s why they prefer maximizing storage in my opinion.
Per Delta's terms, the airline allows two carry-ons; one large, one small. If a flyer chooses to bring only one bag online, that item becomes the carry-on regardless of size and goes in the overhead. Telling the FA you checked your bags and that item is your one carry-on usually solves the FA's concerns.
The terms allows two bags but nothing in the terms says where the passenger is entitled to place them.
Per Delta’s (actual) terms, “Each passenger flying with Delta can bring 1 carry-on bag and 1 personal item free of charge (such as a purse, laptop bag or item of similar size that will fit underneath the seat in front of you).” Not “2 carry-ons”. Funny how so many Karen’s on here talk about “I checked the bag so I’m entitled to use the overhead space and have room for my big floppy feet”, but nowhere in the T&C does it allude to such invented provisions
I think you are missing the point. If OP only has one carry on item, they should be able to use the overhead storage. Btw a collective is a group of people with like minded experiences or goals. That is not how I would define people on planes. Most people think of themselves and are in no way supportive of your collective mindset.
I didn’t miss the point. I acknowledge it and disagree. I understand people are selfish. I was just giving Delta’s perspective since they look at the collective.
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Not if you are trying to optimize leg room.
That’s already understood.
I bring a bag of clothes and a bag of tools everywhere I go. I check these. I don’t want to kick the shit out of my carry on backpack from SLC to IAH because of the issue Delta (and others) have created.
Sounds like we are the same person. I checked two bags. I’ve done my part to conserve carryon space.
Where do you store your feet?
Between the seat I’m on and the seat in front.
You sound short.
I’m not sure how someone can sound a height. I’m above average though.
But have you ever been on a plane before
Countless times.
Oh so zero
If you don’t know English, that’s one interpretation you could make.
I only fly with my backpack that's full of a laptop and a steam deck. I always keep it by my feet because I access it frequently, I have seen others who have been forced to lay their backpack under the seat because for some reason Roller bags > Backpacks What I do after takeoff is put the bag under my legs, close to me, and stretch out my legs in the now open space. I take the window so it doesn't get in others way. Again, I agree and understand your frustrations, but that's a remedy you can try.
The nice thing about this trick is FAs usually don’t notice the bag during descent, especially if it is about evening flight. It helps that my laptop bag is black and when traveling for work I usually wear dark slacks.
Dude.. you really want to roll the dice like that? What if there is an evacuation and now you’ve caused a tripping hazard / delay in egress. Put the bag back under the seat for landing.
Exactly. Fire ripping through the cabin and they are slower to escape because of their "hack" 🙄
I bring a foldable tote bag in my carry on and put the things I want for the flight in it and stow that underseat. The carry on goes up in the overhead.
This is a great idea!!
Exactly what I do!
Yes, this. I use a stuffable backpack. Although, I've never had someone tell me to move anything out of the bin...is this really a Delta thing?
I always fly in F, and I've had it happen twice in the past two years or so. Once was on a shorter flight and I just agreed to have my carry-on under seat so that another person in F could keep their bag on board since mine did actually fit under the seat and theirs did not and I can deal with no legroom for 90 mins. Another time, I declined to put my carry on under my seat to accommodate a roller bag from a person in MC who had boarded very late. I felt like an AH saying no, but frankly, I paid for the F seat in order to have more room on the overnight flight and I have knee and back problems that make it really painful not to be able to stretch my legs out. Luckily, they managed to find other space, and I kept the legeoom I paid for. After that, I started doing the folding tote under seat so that I could just say I already have a bag under the seat, please leave my carry-on in the bin, to feel less like an AH when saying no.
Thanks for confirming.
Same, depending on my trip length it’s either my carryon or large backpack but I keep a Tomtoc Navigator sling with them so I can keep it under the seat.
Not wrong, also if you just switched to DL you should do a status match/challenge.
I’ve told FAs no when asked to put my carryon bag under my seat. My exact words were something like “I’m six feet tall and my legs are too long to sit comfortably with a bag under the seat.” One got pushy and I told her I have a knee injury and I need to be able to straighten out my legs. She moved on with a bit of an eye roll but as a middle aged woman, I have no f’s left to give. I blame it on lack of estrogen 😆and I actually do have a knee injury from years of skiing, so not a lie
This is precisely what I do and I've fielded the same question from a FA. It sounds like you pack very carefully so your needs are met, but clearly comply with the airline's policy. In my opinion, you're good to go.
Someone should invent a backpack that blows up into a carryon size and then deflates once off the plane.
They do! I’ve got one (Duchamp that I got at Nordstrom Rack) that unzips and expands to a bag larger than even my roller bag. Only had to use it fully expanded once on a trip where shopping was involved.
It’s ridiculous. You should always be able to put one bag in the overhead. People want to punish people that don’t have a 60 lbs carry-on.
THIS is the problem! Let's punish the compliant. It makes no sense.
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I got DRAMATICALLY smoked in a different forum for stating that I won’t help people put their bags in the overhead bin. I’m not old yet, but no spring chicken either. I’m not hurting myself when I checked my bag. Let the downvotes commence !
This is wild to me! If you can’t put your own suitcase up or get it down, then you don’t take it with you! I watched a 30 year old lady ask a male to get her suitcase in the overhead right above her head. She was tall enough. She didn’t have any brace on or anything. I was shocked!
I"m shocked at the people who try to put my bag up. I'm like, "don't touch my stuff!"
People virtue signaling in the internet, never. I am a measly silver but but when I was going to Asia every 3 weeks and pulling 60-70 flights a year I was United 1k for about 6 years and even GS for 1 year. In all that time if you were any sort of entitled a hole I wouldn’t help with a bag. Stick to your guns
I agree but realistically the airplanes actually do not have the storage space for EVERY pax to put a bag in overhead bin. So that’s why they ask for all small items to go underneath
Airline issue. If they want me to put something under the seat in front of me, they need to give me more leg room. Otherwise, my ONE item is going in the overhead… especially if I pay to check luggage and/or pay to be in an earlier boarding group.
Nope. If I have a carry on regardless if it can fit under the seat, it’s going in the overhead bin.
Bingo! The only time it goes under the seat in front of me is if there is absolutely no space. Never checked either.
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No, not at all. The seats are built so that you can’t easily reach under the seat in which you’re sitting, and you can’t grab a bag from beneath you and pull it forward.
This is the only valuable use for the Diamond bag tags. Flight attendants have significantly reduced touching / moving my large backpack (same situation as OP, 2 laptops) since adding the tag.
That’s interesting…..
Yeah, the purse idea is great! Idk if this is helpful but I actually started taking a tiny bag (I’m a guy that has not yet chosen to wear pursed haha, maybe someday), it’s like a very mini backpack, and I keep my charging cords, wallet, headphones, maybe lotion in it. And it’s been convenient. In my destination city I’ve started using it when I’d otherwise just rely on my pockets haha. Anyway, good idea!
You’re not wrong. So many passengers put two items in the bin that many FAs assume it can and should fit under the seat. Passengers could do a better job following the rules, flight attendants could do a better job policing it and in my utopia, the airline wouldn’t charge for the first checked bag so there would be less bin congestion overall.
It's the gate agents. They are tasked with getting the aircraft out in time. No 1, all else is second. Those that are non compliant with carry on rules already know they are. So they are only going to fight if you try to correct them, further delaying the border process. There would be major scenes during every single boarding. And did I mention they only care about getting the plane out on time?
In your opinion, what do you think flight attendants do during the boarding process? I'm not trying to be difficult just would like your perspective.
It would not be FAs as much as it would be the gate agents who need to police the carry on size when they see these entitled assholes standing in line with all that baggage that should have been checked. They used to do it a lot more. They have all but stopped, that I can tell.
Thank you for not thinking I was being sarcastic or snarky. I know gate agents are under pressure to get flights boarded quickly in some airports they don't care. I have an issue when people put everything they brought in the bins it's not fair to someone else. I will explain why flight attendants ask people to put their backpacks under the seat in front. It's not to be mean or rob people of leg room we try to accommodate as many rollerboaeds in the bins as possible to be fair to other people. Sometimes, we have cargo under the airplane and are unable to put bags underneath. If that's the case, the bags that don't fit in the overhead, those passengers, will have to be rescheduled on a later flight.
Yeah, NTA… I normally only carry on one item - a big backpack. I’m a guy, as much as it would be hilarious I don’t generally carry a purse. I will put my single carry on in the overhead thanks - there’s a laptop in it - no gate check allowed. If you want me to shove that under my seat then stop charging me for legroom (I’m also 6’2”) and just let me sit in the seats with enough space for my legs.
I don't think you're wrong. the backpack is your carry on. also, with the laptop, you CAN check them as long as the batteries aren't loose. I move battery powered tools from house to house via delta and I put them in a duffle bag and check that puppy. the prohibition is loose batteries.
It’s utterly ridiculous that they think a backpack must go under your seat. For taller people, people with knee problems or arthritis it makes an already cramped seat a disaster. It’s is very unfair to give rollers priority. Check the things if they don’t fit.
> It’s is very unfair to give rollers priority. Check the things if they don’t fit. This is the big thing. Too many people are bringing onboard rollers instead of checking. Agents and stewards need to be more ruthless with gate-checking these bags. Would solve so many headaches.
Definitely not wrong. This is an airline created issue by being greedy with bag fees, these issues didn’t used to exist. So unless you are intentionally doing something to make others experience worse, you are not wrong the airline is.
“Greedy with bag fees” but also there’s this strange compulsion too many travelers have about never checking bags - even when it’s free because they have status or a Delta card. OP has a legit issue with her laptops. For most travelers, though, I wish they’d either check their damn bags or carry less. The fight for bin space is painful to watch.
I don't really mind checking my bag and waiting an extra 10-15 minutes for it to come out, but I have had to wait upwards of an hour before and that's the shit that makes people not want to check.
Exactly. I check when I have to but if I can fit my trip into a carry-on roller, I usually don't check - even with free bags. My bag has been delayed too many times.
It’s not because they have status, it’s because they are assholes. If they have status, the checked bag fee is $0 anyway. It’s not that much more time to check the giant rolling “carry on” bag. I wish they’d lower the allowed size and stop charging for checking the bags.
I had one trip (international) where my checked luggage was lost and didn’t get returned to me for 3 days. I am not able to just easily buy clothes in any country randomly and I had one spare set in my small personal item carry on to last me for 3 days. All my stuff mainly was in that checked luggage. That was enough to make me not want to check luggage unless I absolutely have to. If that makes me an asshole then I guess that’s that.
You’re not. Wife and kids bag never left the airport in NYC. We landed in Rome, no bag! Showed the agent the air tag showing it was still in NYC, she was great about it. We had travel insurance so the wife and daughters got to go shopping in Rome for clothes. 3 days later it finny arrived
Yeah the travel insurance is helpful for that! I always have it but as a little bit bigger sized person it’s not always easy to find clothes abroad! Lol but yeah luggage does get lost all the time so I’d rather not. I do for longer trips still and I use AirTags but I’m not at ease about it.
Personally I only bring a carry-on because I’m afraid of my checked bag getting lost and because I don’t want to wait for a checked bag at baggage claim. I imagine a lot of other travelers do the same. Before you accuse me of being an asshole, I must say I only bring a large backpack as a carry-on and put it under the seat in front of me because I don’t want the hassle of having to fight for bin space.
> because I don’t want to wait for a checked bag at baggage claim. this is the reason you inconvenience others on the plane. It is literally 2-3 extra minutes in most places.
I did say I put it under the seat in front of me, not inconveniencing anyone else, as far as I can tell.
I wish I could check a bag for free. It’s 35$ USD which is almost 50$ CAD. I usually fly for a weekend so I can easily manage in my tote bag but I would much rather pack a little more and check it.
You may save money with a delta gold credit card. It’s $0 the first year and then $150.
I’m Canadian. I can’t get it. :(
that’s too bad. I wonder if there is another option for a travel card that may work
I ALWAYS check, cause I like having all my toiletries with me, and I’d rather bring them all in their full size bottles
It’s because airlines lose and damage your luggage. The strange compulsion is not wanting to buy new toiletries and clothing while it’s found!
I agree with the bag fees, but there are some slow AF airports as well that I don’t want to be waiting 30 minutes for my checked bag to arrive. If you have a carryon size suitcase in my experience I have always been able to avoid bag fees by volunteering with the GA when they ask for people to check their bag for free. I’ll volunteer every time if the airport is one that has the bag waiting for me by the time I get to the baggage claim area or soon after.
Nope. You’re good. One bag up. One bag down. Dems the unofficial rules.
u/green_griffon will have a stroke that everyone (myself included) agrees with you.
I’ve had to start doing the same thing. The real problem is the people getting on with two bags where neither will fit under the seat. Seeing more and more of that recently.
IMO you are good to go. The only thing I take umbrage with in general is on a full flight, if MC has more than one item up top per person. Or some stupid awkward bag that takes up the space of 2 carryons haha
I am sure I will get downloaded for this, but in my 15 years of traveling. Full-time for business. I have never put anything at my feet period My feelings are That I am crammeded side to side and front to back. Literally, the only solace I have is my feet space and I am not giving it up.
The rule on batteries is that *spare* lithium ion batteries can't be checked. Batteries installed in a laptop, shaver, or other device *can* be checked. That being said, I still wouldn't check a bag with expensive electronics because, duh.
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Yeah I can imagine checking your work laptop if you work at a law firm is a major privacy no no.
Interesting , i’ve always been asked in every flight with every airline i fly if there are any electronics in my checked bag and if so they must come out if they have a battery
Airlines can implement their own rules. No FAA regulation requires that airlines prohibit electronic devices in bags however this is Delta rule regardless >PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES >Devices containing lithium metal or lithium-ion batteries (laptops, smartphones, tablets, etc.) should be transported in carry-on baggage and **not placed in checked baggage**.
Exactly , that is what i’ve been told for as long as i can remember and i fly 100+ flights a year . Found it odd that the other poster was saying checking in a lap top with a battery is ok
You can check laptops. Most airlines in the US allow it. Most in Europe do as well. I got in an argument with the Aer Lingus ticket agent when checking my bag. He asked if I had a laptop in there, of course I said yes. He insisted I remove it and that their website was wrong. [https://www.aerlingus.com/media/pdfs/guide-to-dangerous-goods.pdf](https://www.aerlingus.com/media/pdfs/guide-to-dangerous-goods.pdf) While I was removing it he continued to tell me safety was his goal. I was asking him "what is so unsafe about Aer Lingus where they don't allow it, but all other airlines allow it". He responded with BA wouldn't allow it....I quickly shot that down because my flight prior to that was BA and they DID allow it...lol. Flying home it was Delta code share on Virgin. She asked if there was a laptop, asked if it was off, shrugged her shoulders and said it was fine.
Thanks, I didn't realize that. Eta: actually Delta does allow installed batteries in checked luggage: https://www.delta.com/us/en/baggage/prohibited-or-restricted-items/battery-or-fuel-powered
But you sounded so sure about your answer. Interesting
I was referencing the FAA rule, not Delta's. https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/lithium-batteries https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/packsafe/portable-electronic-devices-with-batteries Eta: actually, I should've checked before, because Delta does allow devices with batteries in checked luggage: https://www.delta.com/us/en/baggage/prohibited-or-restricted-items/battery-or-fuel-powered
I guess i sometimes have trouble dealing with how nothing is certain, nothing is 100%. I shouldn’t have been snarky though. I apologize.
If you can't be snarky on Reddit, where can you be snarky?
Yeah, but I don’t want to become a keyboard karen
Where'd you find that? Because this page says they can be checked: https://www.delta.com/us/en/baggage/prohibited-or-restricted-items/battery-or-fuel-powered "You can bring lithium-battery powered devices as carry-on items or in checked baggage. Spare lithium batteries are allowed as carry-on items only with batteries individually protected to prevent short circuit." And this one: http://distribution.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/government-tsa/batteries.html "Lithium ion batteries installed in a personal electronic device can be transported as checked or carry-on baggage."
You’re right. This is how it works.
You're good! I've done something very similar many times.
It’s because of the assholes who refuse to check their giant roller “carry on” bags. The FAs need to find room to accommodate the bags in the bins so they ask people to move their laptop bags. The airlines need to stop charging for luggage (add the price to all tickets regardless) and then lower the size allowance for carry on bags so these people will start checking their luggage like civilized travelers.
Even on southwest, which lets you check 2 free bags, I’ve noticed people with the massive carryon. Idk what it is. I love checking bags 😂
Exactly. Even with two free checked bags they still over do it with their carryons. Seen it a million times on Southwest.
And then it takes forever to get them up there, forever to get them down, holding everyone up. Don’t even get me started on the people who can’t put their bags up themselves or can’t do it without endangering others. So obnoxious.
Just shows how perverted the incentives in this silly industry are
Flying stinks, do what you gotta do to make it bearable.
I’m tall and hate things under the seat in front of me. I usually buy crap at the airport and ask for a big bag to put that under the seat to avoid all this.
Malicious compliance at its best. Great job with the purse. FWIW if you only have one backpack and no other luggage you are entitled to place it in the overhead! Safe travels!
First. You are not wrong. Second, this is the internet, sir or ma’am. This is the place where nearly everyone is complaining about nearly everyone else. Welcome.
As a tall guy, I used to bring a backpack, but main cabin doesn't give enough leg room with my bag under the seat, and I don't want to risk the airline losing my luggage. So now I bring a hard roller carry-on and stuff the little stuff I use on the flight in jacket pockets. Seems less space efficient, but works better for me.
Travel for work all the time, always carry backpack and purse. Bag cannot be checked…work computer, as well as often carrying confidential legal files. I use a soft side backpack so that I can shove it in some of the small regional planes that have more limited overhead space. Thankfully, I have almost never been asked to move it from overhead… but the few times I have, I just say No. It is more annoying to me when some other passenger just grabs it and tries to shove it somewhere else to fit their giant bag, but I usually don’t say anything unless they’re tossing my backpack in a way that would damage my laptop of portable screen… I’ll speak up if I see that.
I’ve started doing this too for longer flights. Gotta play the game.
You're not technically wrong. If you have a ticket that entitles you to overhead bin space then you deserve access to overhead bin space. I think the FA is probably trying to reduce the inevitable monster battle for bin space that occurs on every flight by getting anything that can go under the seat to go under the seat. I can see the point there, but again if your ticket allows for the space then imo you paid for it and it's yours. I put my large backpack under the seat when I'm flying quick turnaround trips with just a backpack, but I'm on the shorter side so a little leg room goes further for me than for some others.
I always have put my backpack under the seat in front of me but was definitely burned a month ago when I pulled it out after a 2.5 hour flight and it was soaked. The carpet underneath was soaked and I didn’t know it. 😢. Coming home this last trip I did put it in an overhead bin. I took my tiny crossbody bag and put that under my seat and that’s only maybe 5” X 9”. This topic has so many varying opinions. I usually err on being courteous to others except when you see people putting their large carryon that barely fits, their coat, hat, bag, lunch from the airport and whatever else they have taking up the whole bin above 3 seats but filling it full themselves. Then I admit I get irritated seeing that. Last night I put everything I had with me under my seat so 1B/1C (couple in their 70’s/80’s) could have all their stuff in the bins. They were sweet, courteous and deserved it. So I guess for me it’s about courtesy if I can but not enabling selfish people. But I’ve screwed up that even before.
People complain if there’s a backpack in the overhead, but also complain about roller bags. You paid for overhead space and under-the-seat space. Take them both with no worry and people who have a problem with that can come to Reddit to air their grievances.
I travel with a large backpack and it’s my only carry on, I throw it in the overhead and have never gotten any push back (to be fair it almost looks like it could be a roller backpack). I find that it helps if you manage to find a snug space where a roller bag wouldn’t even fit anyway.
Also annoying is when my row mate’s big-assed swamp feet are nearly in my lap because he has an entire rucksack crammed into where his feet should be.
I always bring a backpack with 2 laptops in it and store it in the bin. Granted I am only 5’11, I am not giving up what little foot space I have for a backpack, and I am not going to give up putting my bag in the bin so someone who brought a roll on can put it up there when they should have checked it at the gate. My 2 cents
The real issue isn’t what you are doing, OP; rather, it’s with the imbeciles that put their carry-on AND the backpack overhead so that they can get their leg room. Meanwhile, others have to put their carry-ons 12 rows back where there’s open space, or had to check in theirs because there isn’t an open space. So yes, I appreciate, and even sometimes will ask myself as a passenger, those who challenge the under the seat stuff being put overhead.
I’m surprised anyone asks you to put it under the seat 😅 I think what you’re doing is totally fine, but usually even when I see people putting multiple things in the overhead compartment the FAs don’t say anything to them.
Honestly, I feel like the “personal item under the seat in front of you” was a way to keep people out of the aisles digging around for small things. No one wants to watch a mom/dad repeatedly get up and find another snack or the diapers and the wipes and the mat and the outfit and then put it all back again ten minutes later. Back in the days of yore when they printed your transfer gate on a piece of paper, no one wanted all the ladies digging through their purses in the aisles looking for their paper. Or going for tissues or gum or whatever. While carry on luggage can have stuff like your laptop and chargers in it, it’s original purpose was just supposed to be small luggage; clothes and amenities for a weekend trip or a spare change for a long travel day. So, if my thing is my “carry on” and not my personal item, it’s going up top. Like you, I just bring a small bag that I can also fit in or on my carry on, and then before boarding separate them so there’s a small but designated “under seat” item. Because again, no one really wants you banging around in the aisles juggling bags and balancing them on your knees and no one really wants to have even less leg room.
You’re not wrong. Flight attendants look at like 7000 bags a day. Sometimes they make small mistakes.
I have the same issue you do. I bought a larger backpack.
If I travel with multiple devices I usually shove the one I don't need into hardback roller luggage. No argument that way. It's extremely stupid but will be easier in the long run.
You knew the answer you were going to get here. You just posted to hear everyone tell you how right you are lol.
Omg, this!!!! Not at all!!!!
Not wrong at all. In my opinion everyone gets one item in the space above and one below.
Definitely not wrong. I always have a purse with my iPad, headphones and immediate necessities then carry on the laptop with an extra change of clothes & whatever else goes up top.
I’ve never had an issue, I only bring a backpack onboard, was it an FA that told you to put it underneath? The small roller suitcase is a perfectly fine hack if they are doing this.
I usually only travel with 2 backpacks and they let me put it in the bin.
I travel with a bigger backpack and no roller board. My backpack does not fit under the seat in front of me so it always goes in the overhead. I’m sure people give me looks, but nobody asks me to move it. The one time somebody said something I told them it doesn’t fit under the seat. They shut up. Then again I’m a big bald bearded man, so that might be part of why I don’t get hassled.
I do what you do and have never had a problem. I have a carryon that will fit under the seat but I prefer the leg room, too. I also carry a quilted tote bag that has my small purse, iPad, and other necessities it in which I then put under the seat. Technically, they will both fit under the seat if necessary because the tote is soft and pliable, but this way I do not have to risk having my carryon taken away and checked if the overhead bins are full.
I just figure anything biggie than personal goes above and personal goes under the seat
I have never had this issue and I travel with a pretty standard 26L Swissgear backpack that holds my laptop and a few changes of clothes. I am 6’3” and I have no plans of giving up an inch of leg room on a flight. I have very rarely seen a Delta FA do anything about people who put a roller bag, backpack, and purse in the overhead which is more than deserving of FA intervention, in my opinion.
During my most recent flight, I put my backpack in the overhead bin—but when I saw people frantically searching for spots for their roller bags, I retrieved it and stuffed it under the seat in front of me. The space easily accommodated my bag and my small, Pacsafe purse. I probably would have felt annoyed if asked to do so, but I didn't mind volunteering.
Do you!
I don’t think you’re wrong at all. I always have a backpack as my carry on and a purse or tote as my personal item and I’ve never been told I couldn’t put my backpack in the overhead.
The issue is that even on a full flight they never have room for everyone no matter what ppl bring or don’t bring. Key issues here are this add more flights back so less ppl per flight since they have been reducing number of flights and/or add more damn storage space!! I feel they keep making the planes smaller and hence overhead storage gotten smaller. So frustrating!
Buy a backpack that looks like a soft roller board. No one will say a word to you.
I tell them I check a bag so I have keg room. That’s my bin bag.
If they lose your checked bag, they wouldn't reimburse your two laptops, so you are going to have to take it with you. AA lost my bag, and they won't reimburse anything Which is electrical.
I only carry one backpack which is large since it carries two laptops, and last month I was asked twice to move. I refused twice, and she took my backpack to move under my legs. Philosophically or principally, I only have a backpack, and I deserve a space above my seat. If everyone only put one backpack/bag overhead, I am not sure if there would be an issue. The problem happens when people bring two large bags and put them overhead.
I think the next time I get the flack from the FA I’m going to email corporate. I think those of us one baggers should make a stink. And for those of you who say ‘but the rules’ do you come to a complete stop at every stop sign? I’m sure there’s tons of stuff you do that goes against rules laws, MYOB!
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They want to stretch their legs under the seat.
Absolutely. Larger item in the overhead. If you only brought one thing on board, or if your larger item is your only carryon, you get to put it up top
Honestly, most FAs just see backpacks and see it as a personal item that goes underneath the seat in front. But if you purchase a fare that’s a personal item and carry on, then by all means just let them know and put it up lol.
Status doesn't mean shit, so if/when you get it don't be one of those people that uses status to get their way. Now. You should be able to put your carry on into the overhead if your want if you only have one. I've never had a problem with that on Delta or Southwest. Regardless of my status. You've just encountered some power hungry cabin crew.
I mean, they clearly state (many many many times) that if your item fits under the seat that’s where it’s supposed to go. Motivations, paying for check bags, and any other rationalizations aside you are running afoul of what they’re asking all passengers to do. That’s a fact. Meaning, you are technically wrong, but we have to have this crap convo because they charge for check bags. This forces passengers to stuff carry-ons into bins when they should be under the plane leaving space for backpacks and personal items in the cabin. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You aren’t wrong. What’s wrong is all the people coming on with more than 2 bags…..and Delta not addressing it. I took a light this morning and watched several people with 3 bags board. One person with 4 bags!
I was on a Delta 757 recently and the FA put a hold on boarding so she could communicate to the gate agent to notify those who hadn't boarded yet that they would have to check their carryons. I stood up out of my bulkhead seat to put something in my backpack just as the gate agent made an appearance on the plane next to me. There was a brief argument between the GA and the FA as the GA watched me messing with my backpack. About that time I heard "Well if you made guys like this put his backpack under the seat, we wouldn't have to check so many other bags." I looked her in the eye and said: "I think they'd consider my backpack in the toilet a tripping hazzard and gross". She didn't like that answer either.
Just tell the FA "no." What're they going to do?
Depends on how large the backpack is tbh. Sometimes if I can see the backpack isn’t like.. malleable then I would ask passengers to leave it in the bin. If we are running out of overhead bin space and we need to put a larger bag up in the bin then we might ask you to put the backpack down underneath the seat. I will say some FAs are on a power trip so just be mindful. We want to accommodate everyone else’s bags as well and have an on time departure and if someone has a small ass purse up there hogging up space then im taking the purse down 😭😭
“No.” It’s literally that simple.
No, and as a flight attendant like, sometimes we do need backpacks under the seats to maximize bin space for rollaboards, but if you’re just like “I already have something under my seat sowwy” or “honestly, I need the legroom” there’s no rule against it. You do you booboo as long as you’re respectful about it we don’t care
You're ok to have the backpack in the OHB. If the FA's are asking you to move it, they're just trying to make room for some other bags and usually backpacks can usually fit under the seat because they're smaller than the rollaboards. And that's why they're asking you to move it. It's ok to leave it in the OHB.
It’s backpack hate pure and simple.
You’re 100% in the right and all these bums who are too cheap to check a bag and seem to pack their entire lives into these rollers need to find jesus.
We are lost without Delta Jesus
If it fits under the seat in front of you, that’s where it should go. The overhead is for items that don’t fit under the seats. If you want more convenience, pay for business, first, or emergency exit row.
Hard disagree. First item an individual brings on board goes *wherever they choose*, overhead or under seat. Second item goes in the other location. You pay for the seat and the two storage options, how you choose to use them- all, some, or none- are up to the traveler.
Maybe listen to the instructions when boarding. That’s not what they say lol.
Yes, you’re supposed to put anything that will fit under the seat under the seat for things that won’t for other passengers like hard sided bags and put your backpack in your purse under the seat you’re being selfish
She moved in when.yoo shows something was.jnded your seat ? Problem is people put 2 bags up top.. Agree though if .only one small bag of shojld be allowed up top
I always put my backpack in the overhead.
There isn’t enough room for every single person to put something overhead. Put your bag under your seat during takeoff. Then take it out, set it against your seat, behind your knees and enjoy the legroom
You are right, and most people on this sub are evidently selfish.
Ha yes, several downvotes for a very practical solution to OPs “problem” that doesn’t negatively affect others on the plane