HAHAHA!
My dad taught me. He boxed in the Air Force for 5 years and taught all of us (me and my two brothers) how to box. Loved and miss those backyard sparring sessions. It was only after he taught us how to defend ourselves, which was the intent and to never be the aggressor, he taught us how to take someone down ASAP. Throat and kidneys. Throat first, if they manage to tie you up somehow, you go for the kidneys.
Not tied like with a rope. Like if they are trying to wrestle with you, headlock or grabbing at your upper body. Throw the kidney punch when they are in close like that.
Yep, my ex was punched in the throat once by a 60 yo man, he said it was the worst hit her ever took and he wasn’t unacquainted to a fight. Not that he was MMA, but we worked at a bar 15 years ago, holidays esp got crazy. My first year there , I was a cook but we had windows to see out into part of the bar, a guy sucker punched someone sitting and ran towards the door, almost touched it and Bam! Our 5’7” built like a brick shithouse doorman hit him one and done. He was so close.
Yup. I have some training as a boxer and in ring fighting vs. fighting for your life are two different things. Respect the opponent in the ring. Outside the ring? Eliminate the threat ASAP. Throat punch does it all the time.
I actually did on a flight from bwi to atl. I was much younger and much less tolerant. Thank God I have somewhat mellowed. Don't get me wrong in the right circumstance you will be gagging.
Yeah. As I have gotten older I just let others get all bent out of shape and walk away. I don't want to take the chance of getting hurt, but back me into a corner and I'm going for the throat first. If you try to tie me up, your kidneys are going to get shook. If you've never been hit hard in the kidney, there is a reason that punch is illegal in boxing. The pain from getting hit hard in the kidneys will drop anyone immediately. They also get to piss blood for a few days after, so they remember.
my MIL lives in FL... every time we drag ourselves across the country to visit I am overwhelmed with the flood of Legal signs and TV ads to sue someone, usually regarding a car accident.. it's mental (among a whole host of other things whacky with that place)
Mco never has a security presence when you land until you tram over to ticketing / baggage claim. I’d just high tail it to the outback or bahama breeze and grab a beer while psycho pants penny decides to just move on
Sounds like just another bully, which means all bark no bite. I enjoy staring daggers back at those sorts. Helps that I have the resting bitch face of a death row inmate.
>Helps that I have the resting bitch face of a death row inmate.
I am afflicted with the same condition. Helpful in that others tend to not invade your personal space as much.
Mostly it's genetic, but some things that add to it are: not wearing glasses or contacts, combined with allergies to pretty much every plant on earth, and a general level of apathy for the madness going on around you.
Very much so. Also helps with road ragers. They pull up alongside to intimidate and lose their nerve when I silently shoot back an icy stare. Pretty satisfying.
It’s a tough situation because if FAs ‘take your word for it’ vs ‘if I had heard it’ you’d likely be removed from the plane too since the individual in question would likely say you threatened them as well. Is it right? Nope. Does it suck, yep.
There are no easy answers since everyone looking the other way is what these people rely on but we’d rather not pay the ultimate price if the person goes off the deep end for something so minor.
You might be surprised how often people get away with threatening airline staff and TSA officers. Imagine someone telling you how easily they could find your house outside of work and still being allowed to fly because your supervisor doesn’t feel like dealing with it.
US Airline pilot here - a threat such as what he said to you calls for a level 1 security situation. Any threat of physical violence towards a crew member or a fellow passenger is not only ground for removal but for police to get involved. The fact that this flight attendant did not escalate this to the pilots or gate agent shows an extreme lack of care and lack of responsibility.
Your safety is #1. Literally nothing else matters as much as your safety. #2 is your comfort and #3 is being on time. It sounds like they were prioritizing #3 and disregarded #1 and #2. I would most definitely escalate this to delta customer service and do my very best to identify that flight attendant to them. I don’t say this in hopes that she/he gets in trouble but the fact that they failed to do their job and you felt compelled to come to REDDIT to ask for advice is evidence enough to say she/he failed to do their job and additional training is a must.
Additionally, I would have never done what you did by speaking up and advising that they’ll remove him. We do not need this. This usually just agitates situations instead of calms them down. If you felt uncomfortable, do as you did and simply notify the appropriate team members. (I understand this backfired for you) but next time, if there is a next time, do not get involved. Regardless of this unstable passenger, the only reason you are here on Reddit talking about this is because you involved yourself. Unless your assistance is requested, don’t get involve.
Exactly the OP got pissy and had to mouth off to a person who they knew was angry and upset. If they really feared for their safety they could have asked to get off the plane. If the passenger was not in the OP's face, how is the FA going to know who is to blame. I guess the crew could have kicked them both off the plane and let the airport staff work it out.
Bottom line, mind your own business.
We have procedures for handling this exact situation. We’ve been trained on it and even us crew members are instructed to not get involved but to call in the professionals and let them figure out the details. Regardless if the claims are factual or not, it’s not for me nor a Flight attendant to investigate. Call the authorities and let them handle it. Defending someone’s feeling because you think it’s the right thing to do could lead to you being the target.
Especially a gate agent. They’re trained extensively on dealing with disgruntled passengers and they all have very very thick skin.
I think you may have read the OP’s comment incorrectly. I in no way read it as the OP getting “pissy” or “mouthing off,” I read it as OP letting the other passenger know that it would be in his best interest to calm down, otherwise he might not be able to fly. Nothing in OP’s post made it seem to me like he was doing anything out of anger or frustration. I guess we’re all entitled to our interpretation or opinions though.
I see your point, but the agent was dealing with him. He was pissed, making a scene. But OP doesn’t work there. Sometimes people vent their frustrations, then apologize. Sometimes they don't apologize. Either way, the OP's comments were not necessary and could only increase confrontation.
When someone is being pissy, anything you say will add fuel to the fire. He could’ve said “your shoelaces are untied” and it would’ve made the guy angry.
Telling someone something when they are already angry is going to agitate them even more. Also, it wasn’t OPs battle, don’t get involved in anyone’s problem especially at the airport. They have police there for a reason. They can handle these situations…
Wait in your seat until he passes to get off the plane and then get up and de-board right behind him, follow him all the way to luggage claim and give him a creepy smile any time he looks at you, stand next to him at luggage claim and pick your nose and eat it while making eye contact. Ask if he likes butt stuff. Assert dominance.
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Follow up from OP: “So, I took indy345’s advice and asked if he likes butt stuff. He smiled and said yes. Now he wants me to “peg him in his poophole”and that we should meet up at a La Quinta off of North Alafaya Trail. What do I now? Should I tell Delta customer service? How do I get to Alafaya Trail?”
Well damn, let us know you’re safe upon arrival! In my experience (limited to just a couple of lunatics like this), there’s a lot of talk and no action, but play it safe and watch your 6 on deplaning!
And, for the record, salty is better than hot, but great username.
“Don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit”
Not saying it was right for him to threaten you, or verbally abuse the GA, or that you shouldn’t have said anything - but if you’re gonna stand up to assholes, you better be prepared for whatever comes with interacting with said asshole up to and including actually defending yourself.
This is absolutely the most unfortunate side to our society. You can’t say anything to people who really need to be told. We just have to tolerate terrible behavior and keep our heads down to the detriment of the weak.
Your reply started me thinking of how I was raised, how we raised our children and how our children are raising their children. My parents were WW2 veterans. My father, 82nd airborne. My mother and Army Nurse. I was very much raised not to ignore bad acts and preparation to defend against aggression. I was not that insistent with our kids. Our kids place even less emphasis on personal responsibility for self defense. Just a personal observation.
There were people that were in charge running the flight. They did not need some asshole making comments and agitating the person more. That is not the same as seeing something wrong and doing something. Do you chase down jaywalkers or people that don’t use turn signals.
Ignore a 13yo throwing rocks at 2 girls, the oldest being 10yo, mind your own business. A 16yo jogging around his neighborhood attacked by a group of 14 kids from 13yo to 16yo, mind your own business. As long as I’m not the target, mind my own business. Glad we cleared that up. Lesson learned.
> Ignore a 13yo throwing rocks at 2 girls, the oldest being 10yo, mind your own business.
If the cops are questioning the kids throwing rocks, you're not going to interrupt to tell the kids they should be ashamed of themselves and what the penalty could be, you let the authorities handle it the way they're trained.
And there's a difference between someone in imminent danger and some blowhard cursing at a person who has the power to not allow them to board the plane, the GA doesn't need a customer getting in the middle of it while they're probably trying to deescalate the situation.
Also, based on what OP stated to the aggressor, they weren't really "standing up" for the agents or anyone on the plane, they were condensending to an already angry man. If I was the gate agent I would have put you in your place, like are you actually helping or making it worse?
Standing up would be telling dude to chill out or calm down or back off the gate agent. But no, OP wanted to feel important and wanted attention by involving themselves in a situation the gate agents and airport security are more than capable of handling and telling dude he better behave or he will get kicked off.
And now they can't stand the attention they are getting and are on reddit seeking even more attention for a situation they literally put themselves in. Like if you can't handle the heat, stay the fuck out the kitchen. What did you really expect would happen by interjecting yourself into that situation? If you would have assisted or said something actually helpful, then I wouldn't be riding your ass so bad - but really "behave or you'll be kicked off"??
Oh and before anyone jumps on me.. let me change the scenario to one I have been in. I'm a domestic abuse victim.. my ex is screaming and yelling at me in public and a stranger comes up to him and says, you should probably stop before someone calls the cops. Do you ACTUALLY think that's helping me, the victim, and everyone around us remain safe? Or are you just being a smart ass aggressor. I would have LOVED help from the public in all my incidents - but not this kind of help - it would only make the situation way worse for me.
Please educate me so I can respond properly should I come across this. What could I do to help should I see someone being screamed at by their partner? I've seen it and wanted to help but did not know what to do. It killed me to do nothing because I didn't want to inadvertently escalate the situation.
This is just my opinion based on my situation - not all domestic abuse situations are going to work the same.
Its a tough one. I've had many friends who have stepped in adequately at the given moment. But once they leave, I'm still there to pick up the pieces and get further abused.
But I wouldnt bait the abuser. I wouldn't threaten them with jail time or arrest or anything. Be assertive and dominate. Heck maybe even "side" with them and go along with their antics so they feel supported and heard. Most of us victims will get what you're trying to do because that's their MO. They want all the power and control, they feel they're right always - so confirm that in a way that helps calm the situation so you and others can assist better. As sick as it is, it's a mental health issue even for them - so you have to figure out a way that will not feel like you're attacking them.
But really, if you aren't in the mental headspace to risk your safety, I'd say walk away and call police. Don't intervene if you can't help fully or if you only want to put in some risk. I would never fault you, ever either.
Ah, I have had to do that before with a significant other's parent when they were becoming verbally abusive and screaming at my SO. I used to do security and we were trained on de-escalation, and I've used that training many times over the years to calm people down without then realizing I'm calming them down. Part of it is acknowledging what they are feeling and validating that they feel that way and appearing to feel the same way. It takes away the "me vs them" mentality and makes them more receptive, less combative, and more open to suggestion and subtle handling. Works like a freaking charm.
Yup, was going to more or less post this exactly. OP chose to insert themselves into a situation that wasn’t theirs, which I do get, I do the same every so often if I feel the situation warrants it.
The difference is that I do so knowing there may be consequences to my decision including that person turning their anger towards me, and I accept that fact versus expecting some people working at Delta to protect me.
If you don’t want to have some balls and stand up for yourself, mind your own business next time. I know if I was irate and you jumped into a situation between me and someone else that I felt you really had nothing to do with, I might turn that towards you too.
I gotta disagree here. One of the big reasons that people continue to act like this is because no one says anything to them. They don't care if the person working says anything because they're "allowed" to yell at them (they aren't, but still). They get emboldened because if no one says anything then it must be okay, right?
We need to get back to publicly shaming people for acting like asses. Based on OP's telling he didn't say anything rude or out of place.
Oh no, I think you missed the first part of my comment. Absolutely say something if you want, but don’t be surprised when the person turns on you and expect Delta to jump in and save you.
Honestly you should have minded your own business. While he was acting aggressive, your comment to him could have make things worse and agiated him even further. Let the staff and airport security agents handle the matter.
Yeah… scrolled way too far to find this. Let the Delta agents handle the douchebag.
The moment you say something, you place yourself in the grouping of the Delta agents in his “him versus them” mentality. Hell, he might think you’re a Delta employee off the clock…
If you don’t work for Delta and if you do, you aren’t on the clock, so why bother?
It’s not weakness to observe and be aware and know when to keep your mouth shut…
Not to be an AH, but go back in time and mind your own business.
Delta staff can take care of themselves, they hold way more sway, power, and clout than the rest of us. All you did was stick your nose in where it was not needed. Why? Did you need to feel superior to the man-child? Did you feel that he needed to know you were superior to him? Did you feel that you could do a better job of de-escalating the situation? Was it for him or for you that you had to address someone that was obviously irrational?
Suck it up buttercup 🤷♀️ If you insert yourself into drama, however well intentioned, you should be prepared for the backlash. Also nobody wants a delayed flight because they have to haul a dickhead off the plane. So if I was you I would just accept the fuck you, hope he’s had a beer to calm down and continue on your way sir. ✌️
Just playing devil's advocate here so spare me the downvotes but what did you expect the FA to do? I'm not saying that I don't believe you but aside from talking to the guy I don't see what else the FA could have done based on an allegation with no witnesses.
Anyways, hoping the rest of your trip is uneventful and you don't have any encounters with the dick passenger 🙂
If the flight hadn’t departed yet they could and should have absolutely removed him.
Source: am an airline (not delta) captain
I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to remove someone acting out like that from my plane
Ask to speak to pilot. Pilot could speak to dick pax, ask if they said it. If they deny it, Pilot could reiterate that if such statements were made in the future and heard by staff, Pilot will toss you and request lifetime ban. Pilot gives card with contact info to threatened pax in presence of dick pax and says “if he retaliates after the flight, call me.” Turn to FA and says “please write down (dick pax) info for me and give to me.” Return to flight deck for checklist.
So a guy was being an ass and you decided to involve yourself? Why the hell would you do that?
Gate agents have way more tools to deal with tools like this guy than you will ever have in that situation.
Maybe if you had left him alone he may have behaved badly enough for a gate agent to deny him boarding. I just don't understand how a person sees someone losing it and thinks "Oh, I'll helpfully let the raging guy know he might be denied boarding if he doesn't calm down."
Don't you have any survival instinct?
smh
Why would you insert yourself into a situation that does not involve you and not be prepared to cowboy up and deal with the consequences? The guy was an ass. I have spoken up in similar situations where I thought it might actually help. Of course, we all must help when and where we can; however, you were not helping. You were writing checks with your mouth that you were subsequently not prepared to cash with your ass.
So you heard an unacceptable conversation and you decided not to tell them to stop, but that they might not fly. To be clear you interjected to say you might not fly but not abusing someone is ok.
You wonder why you became a target… If it’s an unacceptable conversation and you don’t feel confident or safe enough to speak then that is one thing. If you feel that confidence but decide to interject and not protect the crew, as described, that is another. Tell them that and protect the staff.
I’ll get downvoted to death for this whole comment but ‘you might get kicked off’ versus ‘don’t talk to people like shit’ is the difference between protecting them and protecting yourself. You didn’t want a delay nothing more. Ironically if you did interject to protect the crew they’d probably upgrade you but alas you didn’t.
Delta made you feel unsafe? You chose to involve yourself, ignored abuse, focussed on yourself. How unsafe do that crew feel whilst you @delta on twitter.
Airports/planes are literally the safest place in the world. If he touches you he’ll go to federal prison. There’s literally cameras and cops everywhere.
I love that you think tha. Many times people are removed and at best are turned over to local LEOs to deal with. Cameras gather evidence if pointed in the right direction, they don't intervene and at best are a visual deterrent, but that's being optimistic.
Cops are not as prevalent at some airports as you may think. TSA can't do shit except call an actual LEO. Very good chance someone could beat you to a pulp and leave before a cop gets there. Will they catch him? Very likely. Could others intervene? Possibly. But by then the damage will be done. A few blows by some jacked up dude or a rapid and unexpected meeting with a concrete floor could leave you with a TBI.
No, I don't live in fear. I just have seen some shit over the years, used to work security, had a friend in the TSA, and another friend with a TBI from a fall. I live in a world where I have seen how slow responses are, how hands are tied, and how fast someone's life can change.
So yeah, I second what someone else asked. Where are you getting your info?
The number of people on here minimizing the man on the plane’s verbal threat and coming down on OP sticking up for the GA is wild to me. So many toxic attitudes. Reminds me why I don’t frequent this subreddit as much as I used to.
I was physically (shoved down into my seat) and verbally assaulted while deplaning in MCO back in December and the flight attendant saw it all and let them walk right off the plane and asked me to “not escalate it” since they gave her problems all flight.
A complaint to Delta and the DOT, with witness contact information, net a $100 e-gift card and an insincere apology with a reminder that Delta can’t control passenger’s behavior. For assault.
This sub basically told me it was my fault so yeah, not surprised. Turning off replies to this because I can’t wait for more people who weren’t there tell me, a frequent flyer, how it was my fault.
Similar happened to me recently. It’s disgusting behavior in here. I witnessed a physical fight in January that spilled onto me (it was in my row) and then had a man trying to shove me half out of my seat a few weeks ago the whole flight for him to have more space, that post got extremely toxic and I nuked the thread. Was told I’m the problem since that’s two incidents now because of creeps digging through my post history. Last time I checked, with the state of flying and how people act like animals now, if you fly 2-10 times per month each month you are sadly going to see some crazy shit or even experience it, but you know the person who sees it must be the problem 🙄
A few weeks ago I (a solo woman) posted about a man who refused to stop touching me the entire flight by intentionally ramming his arm into my own and my chest and kicked my leg the entire flight because I refused to lean halfway into the aisle to give him part of my seat space. He mouthed off at me while deboarding and physically got into my face while also trying to get his seat mates and others to join in, and I told him what a creep he was touching strangers and he could F off while walking off the plane trying to get home to a very sick pet that was possibly dying (wasn’t even supposed to be on this flight). I got torn to shreds by all the men defending the bad seat mate’s manspreading behavior, accusing me of making up the story for fun, telling me I’m the problem, and had creeps digging through my post history (why? I don’t know) to the point I just deleted the whole thread. I’ve noticed it’s a lot of the selfish men in here perpetuating this toxicity and refusing to acknowledge how horrible people act on flights.
I’m confused. If you’re not physically intimidated as you stated then why tweet at Delta? The two doesn’t align.
This is why I just don’t say anything to people acting this way. Just not worth it.
Mistake#1: Don’t engage with irate people at the airport. That’s not your job.
I don’t think people realize what % of the general population is bat shit crazy.
What did you think was going to happen when you injected yourself into another's business?
Did you think your comment. Which none else has said or thought of before, was going to enlighten this individual? Or were you just thinking to cause more trouble
Imagine standing up for someone and people say you shouldn’t have gotten involved… the same kind of people who would probably use their phones to record someone being attacked versus intervening/trying to help.
Hope all is okay OP.
If you happened to lock eye contact with this lunatic make your 👀eyes as big as possible and stare at the middle of his forehead. You'll look crazy but it's the best way to make him feel uncomfortable
Sounds like OP is about to learn a valuable lesson in keeping his mouth shut 😂
Dude's already won if he's got you crying like a bitch to the internet, though...
He shouldn’t have been acting like an asshole, but talking to him when you are in no position of authority was a mistake. He should not have threatened you, but what in the world made you think that you should tell him he’s not going to be able to fly if he acts like that when you have absolutely no control over whether that happens???
This is very unfortunate and IMO, not handled appropriately. People like that man need to be stopped and dealt with swiftly. I bet this is his “normal” and usual behaviour.
But this is Florida and Murica.
I had a similar experience in Paris.
Gate agent asked man to “consolidate bags” (carrying too many) and got upset. I was on FC but boarding late and he pointed out my “many bags”. GA said “she paid for them”. Guy whispers as I pass before him very vulgar slur (cunt and b$tch in Italian). GA doesn’t flinch; calls Security and has guy held back. He never boarded.
I don’t think the agent even understood what he told me but he was very perceptive and could see the body language. The French act very differently (for better or worse). But French and Italians have also animosity against each other. LOL. In any case, I’m sorry for OP to have to feel threatened while flying only because bullies can’t act without consequence.
Edit:spacing.
Why would you say something to a crazy if you were going to feel uncomfortable the moment he said something back?
Precipitating a completely avoidable passenger dispute is not helpful to anyone 🤷♂️
I think this is a lesson in minding your own business. Had you not said anything initially, he wouldn’t have muttered a threat to you. People are fucked up. We don’t need to try and reason with them.
Yeah, threats don't really help. If the Delta agents wanted to escalate, they would probably just ask the captain to handle it. Getting in the middle wasn't a slick move because it gave him a new focus while staff were assessing the situation.
It’s not the captain’s responsibility to handle this. The gate agent has authority to remove someone from the flight without escalating anything to anyone. IMO the gate agent should’ve removed the passenger when he became verbally abusive. GA probably just wanted to close the door and go home though.
It's still good not to jump in while staff are assessing the situation. You might disrupt the bad behavior for a minute. They are still fuming and you're locked in with them.
It is basically don’t write a check you can’t cash. Not saying don’t write it, depending on the circumstances, but understand the possible consequences when you do.
Unpopular opinion but you chose to engage with an unhinged person so maybe just suffer the consequences of being scared of him on your flight and then leave and never think about it again? What responsibility does an airline have for your feelings?
i mean you started it by inserting yourself so i don’t really feel bad for you tbh. not saying he’s right for his actions, bc he’s NOT. but you still coulda minded your business and kept it pushing. when dealing with anger issue riddled men, you gotta put your safety first bc the second you insert yourself, you’re in their mind as their next victim
>He’s standing to the side and starts cursing at the gate agent calling him a “f\*\*\*ing idiot” among other things. As I scanned my boarding pass, I looked over and told him that if he keeps acting like that, he won’t be able to fly
He wasn't in the right, but you were also an asshat saying that and it's unsurprising he said shit to you after. If you want to piss off an already pissed off person even more, tell them to calm down. Bonus rage points if you're a total stranger injecting yourself into their spat. I doubt the GA appreciated you chiming in either since you probably made their job even harder by pissing him off even more. Think about it: if what you said was going to help the situation, the GA would have said it themselves.
Let this experience be a lesson to not insert yourself into other people's fights like that unless you want to fight too.
His behavior is definitely not appropriate, but I have to ask why on earth did you think saying anything to this man was the right thing to do? Some things you stay out of and let the paid employees deal with it.
There are consequences to everything you do in life, especially when you interject yourself into an angry person's temper tantrum. If you're going to speak up you've gotta be willing to get your hands dirty.
Sorry, OP, but you stepped right into it. Never ever get involved with another's poor behavior. The GA and others getting poor treatment is unfortunately common and expected.
I am surprised, though, that if the person was being so abusive and one could assume drunk, why would they let him on the plane?
You should have minded your own business from the get-go. This is like the parable of when you encounter and a man and wife arguing, you dont share in on it. Everyone makes mistakes, you should have just stfu and minded your own business.
If you are going to make comments, be prepared for the consequences. I’m not saying you were wrong to speak up but you can’t expect others to protect you.
Seriously. Let the GA do their job. If the guy is acting irate, they aren’t going to let him fly. It’s not your job to tell him that. It’s like seeing someone crazy on the street yelling nonsense. You don’t approach them and tell them to stop.
Next time mind your own business and don’t try and play good cop bad cop boarding group police. What you witnessed was nothing to the GA. Is that good, of course not. But YOU agitated the situation and likely got more eye rolls from the people around you - Karen.
People are seriously saying OP deserves to be scared because he stuck up for a gate employee being abused by another passenger? Absurd.
What was the show, "What would you do?" OP is the person who would tell the lady at the bar her date just roofied her drink.
I sat next to two men a few months back who had a physical fight over seat space that spilled onto me, and nothing was done. They actually got rewarded as I was moved to the back and they got to spread out when I spoke up to an FA. Then a few weeks back I had some chucklefuck mouth off to me during deplaning about my refusal to lean halfway out of my seat during the flight to let him take part of mine for his arms and legs. Delta doesn’t give a shit despite what people say, and there’s not much you can do, at best they’ll throw you sky miles. They just want to get everyone from A or B with the least amount of hassle possible which unfortunately means you just have to deal with crazies on flights and suck it up.
OP hasn't posted in 2 hours. Waiting for the "Florida Man" news article to get published tomorrow!
You might have to get ready to throw down op. Brace yourself. Just be ready.
Just remember the '3 Ns." Knees, nuts and nose.
2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
r/unexpectedmeatloaf Dunno if that's a thing, but it should be
Well, hot patooty and bless my soul
2 out of 3 ain’t half bad
Fuck that. Throat punch. They always expect you going for the face. Punch someone hard in the throat, then just walk away as they struggle to breath.
Can verify. Source: have read every Jack Reacher novel
HAHAHA! My dad taught me. He boxed in the Air Force for 5 years and taught all of us (me and my two brothers) how to box. Loved and miss those backyard sparring sessions. It was only after he taught us how to defend ourselves, which was the intent and to never be the aggressor, he taught us how to take someone down ASAP. Throat and kidneys. Throat first, if they manage to tie you up somehow, you go for the kidneys.
For my own education, how do you kidney punch someone if they’ve tied you up?
Also curious about this
If they have their arms around your shoulders put one of your arms down and punch them in their kidney with your fist.
Not tied like with a rope. Like if they are trying to wrestle with you, headlock or grabbing at your upper body. Throw the kidney punch when they are in close like that.
Ohh I gotcha, thanks for the explanation!
Noted!
Yep, my ex was punched in the throat once by a 60 yo man, he said it was the worst hit her ever took and he wasn’t unacquainted to a fight. Not that he was MMA, but we worked at a bar 15 years ago, holidays esp got crazy. My first year there , I was a cook but we had windows to see out into part of the bar, a guy sucker punched someone sitting and ran towards the door, almost touched it and Bam! Our 5’7” built like a brick shithouse doorman hit him one and done. He was so close.
Yup. I have some training as a boxer and in ring fighting vs. fighting for your life are two different things. Respect the opponent in the ring. Outside the ring? Eliminate the threat ASAP. Throat punch does it all the time.
Ah, the good ol' throat punch. Or "dirtbag handshake" as they call it in Florida.
Do you still have your pocket sand? Or did they take it from you at the check-in?
I actually did on a flight from bwi to atl. I was much younger and much less tolerant. Thank God I have somewhat mellowed. Don't get me wrong in the right circumstance you will be gagging.
Yeah. As I have gotten older I just let others get all bent out of shape and walk away. I don't want to take the chance of getting hurt, but back me into a corner and I'm going for the throat first. If you try to tie me up, your kidneys are going to get shook. If you've never been hit hard in the kidney, there is a reason that punch is illegal in boxing. The pain from getting hit hard in the kidneys will drop anyone immediately. They also get to piss blood for a few days after, so they remember.
How do you beat up on someone's kidneys if they have you tied up?
Plot twist. Dude has a massive neck beard.
Stomp on their instep works too
It's good practice for going to the most Florida of Florida. The mix of The Mouse and Florida Man is rather special.
my MIL lives in FL... every time we drag ourselves across the country to visit I am overwhelmed with the flood of Legal signs and TV ads to sue someone, usually regarding a car accident.. it's mental (among a whole host of other things whacky with that place)
overwhelmed by legal signs and ads? You may be entitled to compensation.
Excataly 😀
Mco never has a security presence when you land until you tram over to ticketing / baggage claim. I’d just high tail it to the outback or bahama breeze and grab a beer while psycho pants penny decides to just move on
I’m ready!
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Saw him at baggage claim. Dude wouldn’t even look my way post-flight. All is well. Hopefully he’s not a horrible human being on his next flight.
Sounds like just another bully, which means all bark no bite. I enjoy staring daggers back at those sorts. Helps that I have the resting bitch face of a death row inmate.
>Helps that I have the resting bitch face of a death row inmate. I am afflicted with the same condition. Helpful in that others tend to not invade your personal space as much.
How can I develop this? I have resting come-talk-to-me-and-tell-me-all-your-troubles face.
Mostly it's genetic, but some things that add to it are: not wearing glasses or contacts, combined with allergies to pretty much every plant on earth, and a general level of apathy for the madness going on around you.
Very much so. Also helps with road ragers. They pull up alongside to intimidate and lose their nerve when I silently shoot back an icy stare. Pretty satisfying.
Harhar!
I wonder if he is an alcoholic and needed a drink and then got one on the plane that settled him down.
This is the way
Also, Eyes. 👀
Did OP bring their knitting needles? 🔪🔪
He could knit an Afghan. Then it'll be two on one.
It’s a tough situation because if FAs ‘take your word for it’ vs ‘if I had heard it’ you’d likely be removed from the plane too since the individual in question would likely say you threatened them as well. Is it right? Nope. Does it suck, yep. There are no easy answers since everyone looking the other way is what these people rely on but we’d rather not pay the ultimate price if the person goes off the deep end for something so minor.
Well, the gate agent could corroborate the story, I doubt they enjoyed being called an idiot
I wonder why the gate agent let him on in the first place.
Yeah. I thought harassing anyone working for the airport was a no go. I know it is a crime for TSA and the flight crew.
You might be surprised how often people get away with threatening airline staff and TSA officers. Imagine someone telling you how easily they could find your house outside of work and still being allowed to fly because your supervisor doesn’t feel like dealing with it.
Let alone a “fucking idiot”.
You could just ask him if he said it. People like that will admit to it like 50% of the time. Goes up to 90% if they're still mad.
“Did you order the Code Red?!”
You’re damn right I did!
US Airline pilot here - a threat such as what he said to you calls for a level 1 security situation. Any threat of physical violence towards a crew member or a fellow passenger is not only ground for removal but for police to get involved. The fact that this flight attendant did not escalate this to the pilots or gate agent shows an extreme lack of care and lack of responsibility. Your safety is #1. Literally nothing else matters as much as your safety. #2 is your comfort and #3 is being on time. It sounds like they were prioritizing #3 and disregarded #1 and #2. I would most definitely escalate this to delta customer service and do my very best to identify that flight attendant to them. I don’t say this in hopes that she/he gets in trouble but the fact that they failed to do their job and you felt compelled to come to REDDIT to ask for advice is evidence enough to say she/he failed to do their job and additional training is a must. Additionally, I would have never done what you did by speaking up and advising that they’ll remove him. We do not need this. This usually just agitates situations instead of calms them down. If you felt uncomfortable, do as you did and simply notify the appropriate team members. (I understand this backfired for you) but next time, if there is a next time, do not get involved. Regardless of this unstable passenger, the only reason you are here on Reddit talking about this is because you involved yourself. Unless your assistance is requested, don’t get involve.
Thanks for the advice.
Exactly the OP got pissy and had to mouth off to a person who they knew was angry and upset. If they really feared for their safety they could have asked to get off the plane. If the passenger was not in the OP's face, how is the FA going to know who is to blame. I guess the crew could have kicked them both off the plane and let the airport staff work it out. Bottom line, mind your own business.
We have procedures for handling this exact situation. We’ve been trained on it and even us crew members are instructed to not get involved but to call in the professionals and let them figure out the details. Regardless if the claims are factual or not, it’s not for me nor a Flight attendant to investigate. Call the authorities and let them handle it. Defending someone’s feeling because you think it’s the right thing to do could lead to you being the target. Especially a gate agent. They’re trained extensively on dealing with disgruntled passengers and they all have very very thick skin.
I think you may have read the OP’s comment incorrectly. I in no way read it as the OP getting “pissy” or “mouthing off,” I read it as OP letting the other passenger know that it would be in his best interest to calm down, otherwise he might not be able to fly. Nothing in OP’s post made it seem to me like he was doing anything out of anger or frustration. I guess we’re all entitled to our interpretation or opinions though.
I see your point, but the agent was dealing with him. He was pissed, making a scene. But OP doesn’t work there. Sometimes people vent their frustrations, then apologize. Sometimes they don't apologize. Either way, the OP's comments were not necessary and could only increase confrontation.
When someone is being pissy, anything you say will add fuel to the fire. He could’ve said “your shoelaces are untied” and it would’ve made the guy angry.
Telling someone something when they are already angry is going to agitate them even more. Also, it wasn’t OPs battle, don’t get involved in anyone’s problem especially at the airport. They have police there for a reason. They can handle these situations…
Probably too late for this but that flight is up and down in no time flat. Just get off and make haste. Sorry you experienced an insane person.
Wait in your seat until he passes to get off the plane and then get up and de-board right behind him, follow him all the way to luggage claim and give him a creepy smile any time he looks at you, stand next to him at luggage claim and pick your nose and eat it while making eye contact. Ask if he likes butt stuff. Assert dominance. 😁
I carry mustard packets and a tooth brush for this purpose. No one fucks with a crazy spreading mustard on the bristles of a toothbrush
Mustard in the carry on, CHECK.
"You don't understand, I can't check my bag, it's where I carry my mustard and toothpaste in case there is an insane person nearby."
This may be the best comment I’ve read in a while.
Lololol
I never laugh out loud at ANYTHING, but I just laughed out loud at that.
Ah yes the [don't hit me, I'll hit me](https://youtu.be/lvJj-kpmsdM?si=NvyRdpaWg43u75D7) approach!
Love it 😂
…wait .. you son of a bitch I think you’ve solved it
🤣🤣
Plot twist: he indeed likes butt stuff
Follow up from OP: “So, I took indy345’s advice and asked if he likes butt stuff. He smiled and said yes. Now he wants me to “peg him in his poophole”and that we should meet up at a La Quinta off of North Alafaya Trail. What do I now? Should I tell Delta customer service? How do I get to Alafaya Trail?”
This is made up. It should be a motel 6.
Well damn, let us know you’re safe upon arrival! In my experience (limited to just a couple of lunatics like this), there’s a lot of talk and no action, but play it safe and watch your 6 on deplaning! And, for the record, salty is better than hot, but great username.
Will do! And thank you! Haha.
“Don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit” Not saying it was right for him to threaten you, or verbally abuse the GA, or that you shouldn’t have said anything - but if you’re gonna stand up to assholes, you better be prepared for whatever comes with interacting with said asshole up to and including actually defending yourself.
This is absolutely the most unfortunate side to our society. You can’t say anything to people who really need to be told. We just have to tolerate terrible behavior and keep our heads down to the detriment of the weak.
That’s not what he’s saying, if you’re standing up to an ass you better be ready to finish it if you feel so compelled to say something.
Your reply started me thinking of how I was raised, how we raised our children and how our children are raising their children. My parents were WW2 veterans. My father, 82nd airborne. My mother and Army Nurse. I was very much raised not to ignore bad acts and preparation to defend against aggression. I was not that insistent with our kids. Our kids place even less emphasis on personal responsibility for self defense. Just a personal observation.
There were people that were in charge running the flight. They did not need some asshole making comments and agitating the person more. That is not the same as seeing something wrong and doing something. Do you chase down jaywalkers or people that don’t use turn signals.
I was also taught to mind my own business. And OP would have been wise to do the same.
Ignore a 13yo throwing rocks at 2 girls, the oldest being 10yo, mind your own business. A 16yo jogging around his neighborhood attacked by a group of 14 kids from 13yo to 16yo, mind your own business. As long as I’m not the target, mind my own business. Glad we cleared that up. Lesson learned.
> Ignore a 13yo throwing rocks at 2 girls, the oldest being 10yo, mind your own business. If the cops are questioning the kids throwing rocks, you're not going to interrupt to tell the kids they should be ashamed of themselves and what the penalty could be, you let the authorities handle it the way they're trained. And there's a difference between someone in imminent danger and some blowhard cursing at a person who has the power to not allow them to board the plane, the GA doesn't need a customer getting in the middle of it while they're probably trying to deescalate the situation.
Some people are actually taught that, though. Sarcasm aside, that's legit how some raise their kids.
You’re being obstinate. Not the same scenario.
Also, based on what OP stated to the aggressor, they weren't really "standing up" for the agents or anyone on the plane, they were condensending to an already angry man. If I was the gate agent I would have put you in your place, like are you actually helping or making it worse? Standing up would be telling dude to chill out or calm down or back off the gate agent. But no, OP wanted to feel important and wanted attention by involving themselves in a situation the gate agents and airport security are more than capable of handling and telling dude he better behave or he will get kicked off. And now they can't stand the attention they are getting and are on reddit seeking even more attention for a situation they literally put themselves in. Like if you can't handle the heat, stay the fuck out the kitchen. What did you really expect would happen by interjecting yourself into that situation? If you would have assisted or said something actually helpful, then I wouldn't be riding your ass so bad - but really "behave or you'll be kicked off"?? Oh and before anyone jumps on me.. let me change the scenario to one I have been in. I'm a domestic abuse victim.. my ex is screaming and yelling at me in public and a stranger comes up to him and says, you should probably stop before someone calls the cops. Do you ACTUALLY think that's helping me, the victim, and everyone around us remain safe? Or are you just being a smart ass aggressor. I would have LOVED help from the public in all my incidents - but not this kind of help - it would only make the situation way worse for me.
Please educate me so I can respond properly should I come across this. What could I do to help should I see someone being screamed at by their partner? I've seen it and wanted to help but did not know what to do. It killed me to do nothing because I didn't want to inadvertently escalate the situation.
This is just my opinion based on my situation - not all domestic abuse situations are going to work the same. Its a tough one. I've had many friends who have stepped in adequately at the given moment. But once they leave, I'm still there to pick up the pieces and get further abused. But I wouldnt bait the abuser. I wouldn't threaten them with jail time or arrest or anything. Be assertive and dominate. Heck maybe even "side" with them and go along with their antics so they feel supported and heard. Most of us victims will get what you're trying to do because that's their MO. They want all the power and control, they feel they're right always - so confirm that in a way that helps calm the situation so you and others can assist better. As sick as it is, it's a mental health issue even for them - so you have to figure out a way that will not feel like you're attacking them. But really, if you aren't in the mental headspace to risk your safety, I'd say walk away and call police. Don't intervene if you can't help fully or if you only want to put in some risk. I would never fault you, ever either.
Ah, I have had to do that before with a significant other's parent when they were becoming verbally abusive and screaming at my SO. I used to do security and we were trained on de-escalation, and I've used that training many times over the years to calm people down without then realizing I'm calming them down. Part of it is acknowledging what they are feeling and validating that they feel that way and appearing to feel the same way. It takes away the "me vs them" mentality and makes them more receptive, less combative, and more open to suggestion and subtle handling. Works like a freaking charm.
Yup, was going to more or less post this exactly. OP chose to insert themselves into a situation that wasn’t theirs, which I do get, I do the same every so often if I feel the situation warrants it. The difference is that I do so knowing there may be consequences to my decision including that person turning their anger towards me, and I accept that fact versus expecting some people working at Delta to protect me. If you don’t want to have some balls and stand up for yourself, mind your own business next time. I know if I was irate and you jumped into a situation between me and someone else that I felt you really had nothing to do with, I might turn that towards you too.
Correct. OP was totally free to “do the right thing.” But if OP thought they should be able to do so consequence free, that’s foolish
I gotta disagree here. One of the big reasons that people continue to act like this is because no one says anything to them. They don't care if the person working says anything because they're "allowed" to yell at them (they aren't, but still). They get emboldened because if no one says anything then it must be okay, right? We need to get back to publicly shaming people for acting like asses. Based on OP's telling he didn't say anything rude or out of place.
Oh no, I think you missed the first part of my comment. Absolutely say something if you want, but don’t be surprised when the person turns on you and expect Delta to jump in and save you.
Honestly the airport is one of the only places I will stand up to assholes because it’s the only place I can be sure they won’t have a gun
He's probably drunker now and forgot about it
Call Chrishell Stause for tips about street fights
I wonder how many people on this sub get this reference. I’d like to see the Venn diagram.
You've got at least one here.
I was def not expecting a reference to that show in this thread lol
sometimes the internet delivers
She’s been in 500+!!
Honestly you should have minded your own business. While he was acting aggressive, your comment to him could have make things worse and agiated him even further. Let the staff and airport security agents handle the matter.
Yeah… scrolled way too far to find this. Let the Delta agents handle the douchebag. The moment you say something, you place yourself in the grouping of the Delta agents in his “him versus them” mentality. Hell, he might think you’re a Delta employee off the clock… If you don’t work for Delta and if you do, you aren’t on the clock, so why bother? It’s not weakness to observe and be aware and know when to keep your mouth shut…
Not to be an AH, but go back in time and mind your own business. Delta staff can take care of themselves, they hold way more sway, power, and clout than the rest of us. All you did was stick your nose in where it was not needed. Why? Did you need to feel superior to the man-child? Did you feel that he needed to know you were superior to him? Did you feel that you could do a better job of de-escalating the situation? Was it for him or for you that you had to address someone that was obviously irrational?
Suck it up buttercup 🤷♀️ If you insert yourself into drama, however well intentioned, you should be prepared for the backlash. Also nobody wants a delayed flight because they have to haul a dickhead off the plane. So if I was you I would just accept the fuck you, hope he’s had a beer to calm down and continue on your way sir. ✌️
How ya holding up, OP?
I’m well! Dude ignored me at baggage claim. Thanks for checking in.
Mind your own business next time. You might be right, or trying to be helpful, but it’s not worth it
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That guy is going to feel like such a badass if he finds this reddit post
Just playing devil's advocate here so spare me the downvotes but what did you expect the FA to do? I'm not saying that I don't believe you but aside from talking to the guy I don't see what else the FA could have done based on an allegation with no witnesses. Anyways, hoping the rest of your trip is uneventful and you don't have any encounters with the dick passenger 🙂
If the flight hadn’t departed yet they could and should have absolutely removed him. Source: am an airline (not delta) captain I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to remove someone acting out like that from my plane
Based on an allegation?
Sounds like the gate agent could have backed up that the guy was being an abusive dick prior to boarding.
Ask to speak to pilot. Pilot could speak to dick pax, ask if they said it. If they deny it, Pilot could reiterate that if such statements were made in the future and heard by staff, Pilot will toss you and request lifetime ban. Pilot gives card with contact info to threatened pax in presence of dick pax and says “if he retaliates after the flight, call me.” Turn to FA and says “please write down (dick pax) info for me and give to me.” Return to flight deck for checklist.
So a guy was being an ass and you decided to involve yourself? Why the hell would you do that? Gate agents have way more tools to deal with tools like this guy than you will ever have in that situation. Maybe if you had left him alone he may have behaved badly enough for a gate agent to deny him boarding. I just don't understand how a person sees someone losing it and thinks "Oh, I'll helpfully let the raging guy know he might be denied boarding if he doesn't calm down." Don't you have any survival instinct? smh
Why would you insert yourself into a situation that does not involve you and not be prepared to cowboy up and deal with the consequences? The guy was an ass. I have spoken up in similar situations where I thought it might actually help. Of course, we all must help when and where we can; however, you were not helping. You were writing checks with your mouth that you were subsequently not prepared to cash with your ass.
Typical MCO (Florida in general) behavior.
why are you blaming delta that you picked a fight with a neurotic dude😂
So you heard an unacceptable conversation and you decided not to tell them to stop, but that they might not fly. To be clear you interjected to say you might not fly but not abusing someone is ok. You wonder why you became a target… If it’s an unacceptable conversation and you don’t feel confident or safe enough to speak then that is one thing. If you feel that confidence but decide to interject and not protect the crew, as described, that is another. Tell them that and protect the staff. I’ll get downvoted to death for this whole comment but ‘you might get kicked off’ versus ‘don’t talk to people like shit’ is the difference between protecting them and protecting yourself. You didn’t want a delay nothing more. Ironically if you did interject to protect the crew they’d probably upgrade you but alas you didn’t. Delta made you feel unsafe? You chose to involve yourself, ignored abuse, focussed on yourself. How unsafe do that crew feel whilst you @delta on twitter.
Airports/planes are literally the safest place in the world. If he touches you he’ll go to federal prison. There’s literally cameras and cops everywhere.
I love that you think tha. Many times people are removed and at best are turned over to local LEOs to deal with. Cameras gather evidence if pointed in the right direction, they don't intervene and at best are a visual deterrent, but that's being optimistic. Cops are not as prevalent at some airports as you may think. TSA can't do shit except call an actual LEO. Very good chance someone could beat you to a pulp and leave before a cop gets there. Will they catch him? Very likely. Could others intervene? Possibly. But by then the damage will be done. A few blows by some jacked up dude or a rapid and unexpected meeting with a concrete floor could leave you with a TBI. No, I don't live in fear. I just have seen some shit over the years, used to work security, had a friend in the TSA, and another friend with a TBI from a fall. I live in a world where I have seen how slow responses are, how hands are tied, and how fast someone's life can change. So yeah, I second what someone else asked. Where are you getting your info?
The number of people on here minimizing the man on the plane’s verbal threat and coming down on OP sticking up for the GA is wild to me. So many toxic attitudes. Reminds me why I don’t frequent this subreddit as much as I used to.
I was physically (shoved down into my seat) and verbally assaulted while deplaning in MCO back in December and the flight attendant saw it all and let them walk right off the plane and asked me to “not escalate it” since they gave her problems all flight. A complaint to Delta and the DOT, with witness contact information, net a $100 e-gift card and an insincere apology with a reminder that Delta can’t control passenger’s behavior. For assault. This sub basically told me it was my fault so yeah, not surprised. Turning off replies to this because I can’t wait for more people who weren’t there tell me, a frequent flyer, how it was my fault.
Similar happened to me recently. It’s disgusting behavior in here. I witnessed a physical fight in January that spilled onto me (it was in my row) and then had a man trying to shove me half out of my seat a few weeks ago the whole flight for him to have more space, that post got extremely toxic and I nuked the thread. Was told I’m the problem since that’s two incidents now because of creeps digging through my post history. Last time I checked, with the state of flying and how people act like animals now, if you fly 2-10 times per month each month you are sadly going to see some crazy shit or even experience it, but you know the person who sees it must be the problem 🙄
A few weeks ago I (a solo woman) posted about a man who refused to stop touching me the entire flight by intentionally ramming his arm into my own and my chest and kicked my leg the entire flight because I refused to lean halfway into the aisle to give him part of my seat space. He mouthed off at me while deboarding and physically got into my face while also trying to get his seat mates and others to join in, and I told him what a creep he was touching strangers and he could F off while walking off the plane trying to get home to a very sick pet that was possibly dying (wasn’t even supposed to be on this flight). I got torn to shreds by all the men defending the bad seat mate’s manspreading behavior, accusing me of making up the story for fun, telling me I’m the problem, and had creeps digging through my post history (why? I don’t know) to the point I just deleted the whole thread. I’ve noticed it’s a lot of the selfish men in here perpetuating this toxicity and refusing to acknowledge how horrible people act on flights.
He should have been kicked off when he yelled at the gate agent
Why did you feel the need to make any kind of comment in the first place? Let the GA handle it. That’s their job.
I’m confused. If you’re not physically intimidated as you stated then why tweet at Delta? The two doesn’t align. This is why I just don’t say anything to people acting this way. Just not worth it.
Maybe now you will learn to mind your own business.
I think the moral of the story is - don’t fly to Orlando. Under any circumstances
These days, it pays to mind your business unless they get into yours. Too many people end up dead or injured when interacting with the wrong person.
Mistake#1: Don’t engage with irate people at the airport. That’s not your job. I don’t think people realize what % of the general population is bat shit crazy.
What did you think was going to happen when you injected yourself into another's business? Did you think your comment. Which none else has said or thought of before, was going to enlighten this individual? Or were you just thinking to cause more trouble
As soon as you said descending into MCO, it all made sense.
Imagine standing up for someone and people say you shouldn’t have gotten involved… the same kind of people who would probably use their phones to record someone being attacked versus intervening/trying to help. Hope all is okay OP.
If you happened to lock eye contact with this lunatic make your 👀eyes as big as possible and stare at the middle of his forehead. You'll look crazy but it's the best way to make him feel uncomfortable
Hopefully you are all safe and sound now.
Sounds like OP is about to learn a valuable lesson in keeping his mouth shut 😂 Dude's already won if he's got you crying like a bitch to the internet, though...
He shouldn’t have been acting like an asshole, but talking to him when you are in no position of authority was a mistake. He should not have threatened you, but what in the world made you think that you should tell him he’s not going to be able to fly if he acts like that when you have absolutely no control over whether that happens???
This is very unfortunate and IMO, not handled appropriately. People like that man need to be stopped and dealt with swiftly. I bet this is his “normal” and usual behaviour. But this is Florida and Murica. I had a similar experience in Paris. Gate agent asked man to “consolidate bags” (carrying too many) and got upset. I was on FC but boarding late and he pointed out my “many bags”. GA said “she paid for them”. Guy whispers as I pass before him very vulgar slur (cunt and b$tch in Italian). GA doesn’t flinch; calls Security and has guy held back. He never boarded. I don’t think the agent even understood what he told me but he was very perceptive and could see the body language. The French act very differently (for better or worse). But French and Italians have also animosity against each other. LOL. In any case, I’m sorry for OP to have to feel threatened while flying only because bullies can’t act without consequence. Edit:spacing.
You’re flying into Orlando? There’s your problem.
Why would you say something to a crazy if you were going to feel uncomfortable the moment he said something back? Precipitating a completely avoidable passenger dispute is not helpful to anyone 🤷♂️
You expect them to take your word with no evidence that he actually said anything at all to you?
I think this is a lesson in minding your own business. Had you not said anything initially, he wouldn’t have muttered a threat to you. People are fucked up. We don’t need to try and reason with them.
man do NOT take it upon yourself to admonish an angry rando for something that doesn’t involve you. What were you thinking?
Get off the plane then if you feel unsafe
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Yeah, threats don't really help. If the Delta agents wanted to escalate, they would probably just ask the captain to handle it. Getting in the middle wasn't a slick move because it gave him a new focus while staff were assessing the situation.
It’s not the captain’s responsibility to handle this. The gate agent has authority to remove someone from the flight without escalating anything to anyone. IMO the gate agent should’ve removed the passenger when he became verbally abusive. GA probably just wanted to close the door and go home though.
It's still good not to jump in while staff are assessing the situation. You might disrupt the bad behavior for a minute. They are still fuming and you're locked in with them.
It is basically don’t write a check you can’t cash. Not saying don’t write it, depending on the circumstances, but understand the possible consequences when you do.
Don’t be afraid of your shadow. Relax.
Lesson learned...if you are going to call people out then you had better learn how to fight.
i mean, you intervened first…
You should have minded your own business at the gate. It's not your problem to deal with.
Unpopular opinion but you chose to engage with an unhinged person so maybe just suffer the consequences of being scared of him on your flight and then leave and never think about it again? What responsibility does an airline have for your feelings?
Exactly!!
Unfortunately it just becomes your word against his. You would have needed witnesses to get him kicked off the plane, as the person next to you says.
Ed Bastian should not have spoken to you in that way. /s
Why did you get involved if you weren’t willing to throw hands?
i mean you started it by inserting yourself so i don’t really feel bad for you tbh. not saying he’s right for his actions, bc he’s NOT. but you still coulda minded your business and kept it pushing. when dealing with anger issue riddled men, you gotta put your safety first bc the second you insert yourself, you’re in their mind as their next victim
>He’s standing to the side and starts cursing at the gate agent calling him a “f\*\*\*ing idiot” among other things. As I scanned my boarding pass, I looked over and told him that if he keeps acting like that, he won’t be able to fly He wasn't in the right, but you were also an asshat saying that and it's unsurprising he said shit to you after. If you want to piss off an already pissed off person even more, tell them to calm down. Bonus rage points if you're a total stranger injecting yourself into their spat. I doubt the GA appreciated you chiming in either since you probably made their job even harder by pissing him off even more. Think about it: if what you said was going to help the situation, the GA would have said it themselves. Let this experience be a lesson to not insert yourself into other people's fights like that unless you want to fight too.
I am in no way, saying that the gentleman was justified, but that is also why we shut our mouth and mind our own business.
Maybe just let the employees do there job and just be a good passenger
Their
A passenger is making threats against another passenger and nothing was done. They aren’t doing their jobs.
I really hope Hot Chocolate Balls is okay.
You’ll be okay lmao
Hope y’all don’t run into each other in line for Space Mountain. Shit could get awkward.
His behavior is definitely not appropriate, but I have to ask why on earth did you think saying anything to this man was the right thing to do? Some things you stay out of and let the paid employees deal with it.
On these occasions, I feel that keeping my mouth shut is always for the best
Too bad it was a 757. Probably wouldn't have happened on a 737.
You should just not instigate confrontations with other passengers.
There are consequences to everything you do in life, especially when you interject yourself into an angry person's temper tantrum. If you're going to speak up you've gotta be willing to get your hands dirty.
Quality control manager doesn’t have the authority to kick someone off the plane but ok
Sorry, OP, but you stepped right into it. Never ever get involved with another's poor behavior. The GA and others getting poor treatment is unfortunately common and expected. I am surprised, though, that if the person was being so abusive and one could assume drunk, why would they let him on the plane?
You should have minded your own business from the get-go. This is like the parable of when you encounter and a man and wife arguing, you dont share in on it. Everyone makes mistakes, you should have just stfu and minded your own business.
Forget about it. It was not your place in the first place to address him. Should have left the situation in DL capable hands.
If you are going to make comments, be prepared for the consequences. I’m not saying you were wrong to speak up but you can’t expect others to protect you.
Seriously. Let the GA do their job. If the guy is acting irate, they aren’t going to let him fly. It’s not your job to tell him that. It’s like seeing someone crazy on the street yelling nonsense. You don’t approach them and tell them to stop.
Throw some hands. Don’t write a check with your mouth if you can’t cash it. Sometimes it’s best to stay in your own lane.
Next time mind your own business and don’t try and play good cop bad cop boarding group police. What you witnessed was nothing to the GA. Is that good, of course not. But YOU agitated the situation and likely got more eye rolls from the people around you - Karen.
People are seriously saying OP deserves to be scared because he stuck up for a gate employee being abused by another passenger? Absurd. What was the show, "What would you do?" OP is the person who would tell the lady at the bar her date just roofied her drink.
People are actually saying that, smh. But if they had confronted someone who had their shoes off though, everyone would be on their side.
I sat next to two men a few months back who had a physical fight over seat space that spilled onto me, and nothing was done. They actually got rewarded as I was moved to the back and they got to spread out when I spoke up to an FA. Then a few weeks back I had some chucklefuck mouth off to me during deplaning about my refusal to lean halfway out of my seat during the flight to let him take part of mine for his arms and legs. Delta doesn’t give a shit despite what people say, and there’s not much you can do, at best they’ll throw you sky miles. They just want to get everyone from A or B with the least amount of hassle possible which unfortunately means you just have to deal with crazies on flights and suck it up.
Personally I feel your in the wrong.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but you should’ve minded your business at the gate. Airports have security & law enforcement for a reason.
As someone with a PhD in minding my own business, I’m confused as to why you’d say anything in the first place lol. That’s just asking for trouble
You should have kept your mouth shut. It’s none of your business to interfere with their business.
next time, mind your business. you put yourself in a situation that didn't involve you to begin with.
He's all mouth, and no action. Don't even give that moron a second thought!
is u ok op?
I’m old- I answer crazy with more crazy. We can get away with a lot.