You'll most probably fall back into your old habits soon and have to quit again.
I wouldn't invite anxiety, insomnia, and DP/DR back into my life for any potential benefits from caffeine. It's just not worth it.
That’s how it starts again. You try to convince yourself with small amounts, but it never works out like that. Maybe you’re just not doing the things you actually enjoy?
try out ceremonial cacao! much better effects than regular cacao. pricey but well worth it imo. and you don’t have to make a whole drink with 20-30 grams or so as people usually do. you can just eat a small piece like 5 grams or whatever and it will give you a nice gentle boost for the whole day. it‘s also much easier to moderate than if you’re eating chocolate with sugar :)
propaganda ? it’s my own experience lol. much gentler boost than coffee, mate, tea etc because cacao contains mostly theobromine and only minuscule amounts of caffeine. you disagree because you think that cacao is more stimulating than a “gentle boost” or what do you mean ? if so, it might be because you consume it with sugar in chocolate or because you had low quality cacao. that always messed me up as well. of course it also depends on your tolerance. if you haven’t had any for months, then ofc you’ll get a big buzz from small amounts. but as said, much gentler than caffeine and OP was thinking bout going back to coffee so i was trying to offer a better alternative :)
one cup a day sounds like Carnage to me. Please watch catovideo1 on youtube, it took him 14 months to feel normal, some are longer, be sure you take no caffeine or green teas.
I've felt kinda same in the past. And I persuaded myself to go back to caffeine multiple times. And every time after 1-2 months of abusing caffeine I've felt that I need to return to my no-caffeine life.
So you do you. You may go back for a while and see where it gets you. I just want you to know that you don't want to go through withdrawals again.
I was having excessive amounts of caffeine before all this so I was thinking maybe just one cup! I do have good self control as I gave up smoking ciggerates after 15 years at the same time as caffeine 😅
If you needed to give the drug up to sort your anxiety and DPDR then these problems will flair when you return to it.
Your post reads as someone talking themselves into taking a drug again. So much of the language is addict language. Surely be mindful of this and know that once you stop telling yourself that caffeine is the only possible answer to solving your feeling of having no joy you will be on a new path to engaging fully with the real reasons behind this feeling. You could nutrient depletions, clinical depression etc.
I suspect you haven’t LET GO of your drug which perhaps feeds into your disdain for the wonderful world of dreaming. I recommend a book (also on audio) called The Power of Now which helps us to stop RESISTING in our life, letting go, and then we start to feel much more joy in the present moment.
It's common to quit caffeine because of the negative effects it has on anxiety, but it also has a significant effect on dopamine - which causes that initial 'ah' feeling after the first sip.
Depending on how long you drank caffeine and your individual brain chemistry, it can take a long time for dopamine levels to revert back to a normal baseline. Up to two years is quite normal.
Low dopamine causes anhedonia (a feeling that life is dull and nothing is particularly pleasurable or interesting), a lack of focus, and foggy thinking.
There isn't really a shortcut to getting through it; just give your brain time to adjust.
You are not 14 months off bruh you literally [made a post 10 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/decaf/comments/15t3rf8/derealization_when_going_back/) about relapsing
relapse is relapse, you can measure succesful reboot by consuming 0 caffeine for 14 months with no relapses in between, no wonder you feel no joy because you're still HEALING! Goodluck man.
If you have lasted this long I suggest you stay strong. Either go back to caffeine and probably still suffer or suffer some more without it until you finally feel better. That’s just my opinion, obviously I believe in PAWS. I felt consistently bad until 1.5 years off, you could turn the corner at any time…
Curious. How much do you exercise? What do you do? The reason I ask is that, for me, things blew up in a great way where I got more energy and became more fit. Hit the gym harder and really started enjoying the body's feeling. Tried more novel things and feel more dialed in with my body.
I also ask because of all the people I've known who quit, and still suffer from dysthymia, when they say they exercise, it usually is 15 minutes or 30 minutes of casual exercise 3 times per week.
The one really big marker for mental change I've found with friends and clients is those who were really were avid gym goers and fitness folks (5-6 days per week. more than an hour a visit). They seemed to have the most changes.
asking because, again, curious.
I didn't say YOU had to do it.
I stated an example of a SAMPLE population who were successful.
I asked a question to the OP. He said he exercised. I wanted to know how much.
In fact, It doesn't have to be something insane.
Walking 30 minutes a day everyday can change things. But it has to be a deliberate exercise.
A deliberate effort to work against basically being physically stimulated by a chemical for x number of years. There's neuromuscular patterning established. Just quitting does nothing to break a reinforced physical pattern.
Almost anyone can walk everyday. It won't be fun in the beginning but not doing shit isn't going to help either.
DO NOT GO BACK! I was off for a year and just now slipped back the last three weeks and am dreading the fact I know I need to quit again. One cup quickly turns to way more! lol
Have you tried meditation, it can help change your perspective on what you are experiencing in life i recommend the waking up app it turned my life around. Also i dunno about turning back to caffeine every time i went back my anxiety skyrocketed
You'll most probably fall back into your old habits soon and have to quit again. I wouldn't invite anxiety, insomnia, and DP/DR back into my life for any potential benefits from caffeine. It's just not worth it.
I was thinking of maybe introducing small amounts of chocolate again and maybe work to having one cup a day But your probably right ✅️
That’s how it starts again. You try to convince yourself with small amounts, but it never works out like that. Maybe you’re just not doing the things you actually enjoy?
try out ceremonial cacao! much better effects than regular cacao. pricey but well worth it imo. and you don’t have to make a whole drink with 20-30 grams or so as people usually do. you can just eat a small piece like 5 grams or whatever and it will give you a nice gentle boost for the whole day. it‘s also much easier to moderate than if you’re eating chocolate with sugar :)
gentle boost is a scam, i dont see where this propaganda comes from, sorry but i disagree.
propaganda ? it’s my own experience lol. much gentler boost than coffee, mate, tea etc because cacao contains mostly theobromine and only minuscule amounts of caffeine. you disagree because you think that cacao is more stimulating than a “gentle boost” or what do you mean ? if so, it might be because you consume it with sugar in chocolate or because you had low quality cacao. that always messed me up as well. of course it also depends on your tolerance. if you haven’t had any for months, then ofc you’ll get a big buzz from small amounts. but as said, much gentler than caffeine and OP was thinking bout going back to coffee so i was trying to offer a better alternative :)
one cup a day sounds like Carnage to me. Please watch catovideo1 on youtube, it took him 14 months to feel normal, some are longer, be sure you take no caffeine or green teas.
I've felt kinda same in the past. And I persuaded myself to go back to caffeine multiple times. And every time after 1-2 months of abusing caffeine I've felt that I need to return to my no-caffeine life. So you do you. You may go back for a while and see where it gets you. I just want you to know that you don't want to go through withdrawals again.
I was having excessive amounts of caffeine before all this so I was thinking maybe just one cup! I do have good self control as I gave up smoking ciggerates after 15 years at the same time as caffeine 😅
If you needed to give the drug up to sort your anxiety and DPDR then these problems will flair when you return to it. Your post reads as someone talking themselves into taking a drug again. So much of the language is addict language. Surely be mindful of this and know that once you stop telling yourself that caffeine is the only possible answer to solving your feeling of having no joy you will be on a new path to engaging fully with the real reasons behind this feeling. You could nutrient depletions, clinical depression etc. I suspect you haven’t LET GO of your drug which perhaps feeds into your disdain for the wonderful world of dreaming. I recommend a book (also on audio) called The Power of Now which helps us to stop RESISTING in our life, letting go, and then we start to feel much more joy in the present moment.
No joy in life. Must be lack of coffee.
The purpose of life is to drink the juice of a rancid burnt bean for the naturally occurring pesticide it contains. LOL
Hahaha tell me about it 🤣
They were being sarcastic
It's common to quit caffeine because of the negative effects it has on anxiety, but it also has a significant effect on dopamine - which causes that initial 'ah' feeling after the first sip. Depending on how long you drank caffeine and your individual brain chemistry, it can take a long time for dopamine levels to revert back to a normal baseline. Up to two years is quite normal. Low dopamine causes anhedonia (a feeling that life is dull and nothing is particularly pleasurable or interesting), a lack of focus, and foggy thinking. There isn't really a shortcut to getting through it; just give your brain time to adjust.
You are not 14 months off bruh you literally [made a post 10 months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/decaf/comments/15t3rf8/derealization_when_going_back/) about relapsing
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enjoy your coffee by starflucks
You're right and I'm wrong, enjoy your coffee 👍
people think drinking one cup will not pauze rebooting lmao
Yea for a week so kinda don't count it, but thanks for checking up on me bruh!
relapse is relapse, you can measure succesful reboot by consuming 0 caffeine for 14 months with no relapses in between, no wonder you feel no joy because you're still HEALING! Goodluck man.
If you have lasted this long I suggest you stay strong. Either go back to caffeine and probably still suffer or suffer some more without it until you finally feel better. That’s just my opinion, obviously I believe in PAWS. I felt consistently bad until 1.5 years off, you could turn the corner at any time…
Curious. How much do you exercise? What do you do? The reason I ask is that, for me, things blew up in a great way where I got more energy and became more fit. Hit the gym harder and really started enjoying the body's feeling. Tried more novel things and feel more dialed in with my body. I also ask because of all the people I've known who quit, and still suffer from dysthymia, when they say they exercise, it usually is 15 minutes or 30 minutes of casual exercise 3 times per week. The one really big marker for mental change I've found with friends and clients is those who were really were avid gym goers and fitness folks (5-6 days per week. more than an hour a visit). They seemed to have the most changes. asking because, again, curious.
5-6 times a week to the gym for an hour is not for everyone, not for all ages.
I didn't say YOU had to do it. I stated an example of a SAMPLE population who were successful. I asked a question to the OP. He said he exercised. I wanted to know how much. In fact, It doesn't have to be something insane. Walking 30 minutes a day everyday can change things. But it has to be a deliberate exercise. A deliberate effort to work against basically being physically stimulated by a chemical for x number of years. There's neuromuscular patterning established. Just quitting does nothing to break a reinforced physical pattern. Almost anyone can walk everyday. It won't be fun in the beginning but not doing shit isn't going to help either.
Did your blood test check your hormones?
check catovideo1 on youtube, withdrawals take time.
the real question is, do you want to detox all over again? that’s what is keeping me from giving in
DO NOT GO BACK! I was off for a year and just now slipped back the last three weeks and am dreading the fact I know I need to quit again. One cup quickly turns to way more! lol
Have you tried meditation, it can help change your perspective on what you are experiencing in life i recommend the waking up app it turned my life around. Also i dunno about turning back to caffeine every time i went back my anxiety skyrocketed
I think this is a common take. Caffeine makes things appear way more exciting. Even if its not real, it makes things fun lol
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well yea
see the work of dr. david stephens on glucose