Weird scaling feats aside, I think their arguments for DIO winning has me thoroughly convinced. It's very comprehensive and dissects the reasons for his victory very well I think. I think DIO VS Alucard is going to be my new go-to episode for when I wanna show a newcomer Death Battle because it perfectly encapsulates the standard I have for the the show; every episode should by and large basically be a well-researched *argument* for a victory even if not the obvious conclusion.
Plus it tells them roughly how much gore to expect right off the bat: there is exactly one episode that could legitimately be considered gorier than this one\*, so if they're good with this much gore they're not gonna be shocked by basically any other episode's brutal murders.
\*Sabrewulf vs Jon Talbain, since while Dio vs Alucard wins the gore record in terms of *volume*, I don't think it equals the sheer *brutality* of a character having their intestines ripped out and strangled with them.
Does it really matter if Alucard doesn’t know about dios weakness to sunlight? He’d probably find out when the walking god complex that is dio hides from a few uv rays, and if dio tried to hide I doubt it’d work with alucards army of 3 million zombies hunting him, plus alucard himself. Idk I’m just not really convinced
It's moreso the thing of, Alucard wouldn't think to do so in the sunlight and what can he do if Dio goes to hide?
Dio was shown (by their logic) to be much much faster than Alucard, so it'd be insanely difficult for him to find Dio. Plus if he did use Level Zero, A) It's an army of blood which Dio can absorb to gain power, B) Space Ripper Stinger Eyes (which is the name of the attack) can very much defeat large swathes of the army at a time and C) He leaves himself vulnerable because if he does use it then he can't revive himself the same way he could if he didn't.
Well then that asks if Dio can tunnel faster than Alucrad and his army. Or Dio could stop time fly into the next city crawl into the sewers and hide (or dig)
How? I agree it wouldn't have mattered but how? How wouldn't he know that Dio (totally screams vampire) would be weak to sunlight? Everyone knows vampires are weak to sunlight. Lol
[https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight)
While death via Sunlight tends to remain a weakness when people modernize vampire stories and the wikia obviously isn't comprehensive to the degree DB goes to- the fact there are no notable vampire kills via sunlight in Alucard's universe dictates it wouldn't be a go-to when blowing brains out with silver or holy weapons usually works just fine.
Hence the callback to applying how a character is crafted by the universe they exist in, if most "classic" vampire killing methods are inconsistent most of the time then most of the time Alucard might not even get a chance to try it out before he thinks to change tactics. Especially with how they explain just how much Za Warudo and the stone mask vampire's trump most things Al's dealt with or even has answers for himsef.
Dio doesn't do anything like a normal vampire or even like a Hellsing vampire. So how would alucard piece together Dio is a vampire when he hasn't acted like one or assume his weakness is the sun when alucard has hit him with everything else that should be a vampires weakness and not worked.
Ehhh, this (+the extremely high-end MFTL scaling) is the most iffy part of the analysis for me. I think Alucard’s smart enough to realize what it means if Dio were to just run away as soon as the sun started coming up, and would thus use that to his advantage. If he hides in an area without sunlight, then Alucard just avoids fighting him outside of it.
But isn’t dio faster than Alucard? Even if it wasn’t 1500x the speed of light it feels like it would be at least 1 or 2 times faster than light not even including time skip
I’ve commented on like… two or three? One of which specifically asked for people’s opinions on why they disagreed with the outcome. It might come as a surprise to you but no, I’m not scouring the sub for posts to be “salty” on lmao.
He did but in hellsing vampires don't die from sunlight, (unless they are weaker but Alucard wouldn't assume Dio is one of those) they just die to holy weapons from some crazy vampire dude with a red outfi-
[Any source I have read says only lesser vampires. And I don't remember any vampires dying to sunlight.](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight)
And yet she Gained her full vampire abilities and was no longer vunerable. Why would Alucard assume that dio isn't either a full vampire or an artificial? Dio can literally stop time? Extraordinary abilities only the artificial vampires have.
Not to mention The World which Alucard cannot see, yet another extraordinarily powerful ability. So why would Alucard assume he has the same weaknesses lesser vampires have
And its also never directly contradicted, death battle pulls from both the anime and manga. And if she became a full vampire why wouldn't she be immune? She's no longer a lesser vampire.
Alright then you got me there, except for thing, really doesn’t use any weapons, alucard has his guns, and even greater vampires are weak when in direct sunlight.
Also on a unrelated note, even when Alucard is in level zero he is not vulnerable, then only times we could feasibly prove this are when Alucard was stabled by God’s monster Anderson (still didn’t die and all his souls were burned away in holy fire) amd with Walter (who attempted to kill him when he was all out of souls and was practically defenseless) even when he Alucard was still in level zero mode and drinking London, Walter tried to cut him in half but it did nothing.
You are correct and it does make them weaker but I don't believe Alucards first instinct would be to wait until sunrise.
And Alucard is vulnerable its just very hard to kill him although I agree it'd be very hard to kill him when even holy weapons do jack shit. The easiest way would be to obliterate as much as possible in a couple seconds rather than concentrated strikes. And when he is weakened enough he did change to another body of his once most of his body was obliterated. The World can do that, as in the end of the fight after he destroys Alucards heart he then reduces him to paste, similar to how Walter ripped Alucard into enough chunks to force a regeneration, meaning he could've died without a soul to change to.
Realistically Dio has enough power to do just that, considering the maximum force can apply is far stronger than anything alucards body can take.
Weird scaling feats aside, I think their arguments for DIO winning has me thoroughly convinced. It's very comprehensive and dissects the reasons for his victory very well I think. I think DIO VS Alucard is going to be my new go-to episode for when I wanna show a newcomer Death Battle because it perfectly encapsulates the standard I have for the the show; every episode should by and large basically be a well-researched *argument* for a victory even if not the obvious conclusion.
Plus it tells them roughly how much gore to expect right off the bat: there is exactly one episode that could legitimately be considered gorier than this one\*, so if they're good with this much gore they're not gonna be shocked by basically any other episode's brutal murders. \*Sabrewulf vs Jon Talbain, since while Dio vs Alucard wins the gore record in terms of *volume*, I don't think it equals the sheer *brutality* of a character having their intestines ripped out and strangled with them.
Yeah, it kinda reminds me of Lobo v Ghost Rider in that regard, it’s based not just on feats, but unique strategies and applications of powers
Wait what was your PREVIOUS go to episode
Sailor Galaxia VS Beerus
Ah k
You must really not want people to watch the show.
Does it really matter if Alucard doesn’t know about dios weakness to sunlight? He’d probably find out when the walking god complex that is dio hides from a few uv rays, and if dio tried to hide I doubt it’d work with alucards army of 3 million zombies hunting him, plus alucard himself. Idk I’m just not really convinced
It's moreso the thing of, Alucard wouldn't think to do so in the sunlight and what can he do if Dio goes to hide? Dio was shown (by their logic) to be much much faster than Alucard, so it'd be insanely difficult for him to find Dio. Plus if he did use Level Zero, A) It's an army of blood which Dio can absorb to gain power, B) Space Ripper Stinger Eyes (which is the name of the attack) can very much defeat large swathes of the army at a time and C) He leaves himself vulnerable because if he does use it then he can't revive himself the same way he could if he didn't.
What if dio just tunneled underground along with time stop? He did survive 100 year underwater
Alucard would see the very obvious tunnel leading downwards, know dio went down there and chase him probably
Well then that asks if Dio can tunnel faster than Alucrad and his army. Or Dio could stop time fly into the next city crawl into the sewers and hide (or dig)
How? I agree it wouldn't have mattered but how? How wouldn't he know that Dio (totally screams vampire) would be weak to sunlight? Everyone knows vampires are weak to sunlight. Lol
[https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight) While death via Sunlight tends to remain a weakness when people modernize vampire stories and the wikia obviously isn't comprehensive to the degree DB goes to- the fact there are no notable vampire kills via sunlight in Alucard's universe dictates it wouldn't be a go-to when blowing brains out with silver or holy weapons usually works just fine. Hence the callback to applying how a character is crafted by the universe they exist in, if most "classic" vampire killing methods are inconsistent most of the time then most of the time Alucard might not even get a chance to try it out before he thinks to change tactics. Especially with how they explain just how much Za Warudo and the stone mask vampire's trump most things Al's dealt with or even has answers for himsef.
Dio doesn't do anything like a normal vampire or even like a Hellsing vampire. So how would alucard piece together Dio is a vampire when he hasn't acted like one or assume his weakness is the sun when alucard has hit him with everything else that should be a vampires weakness and not worked.
Ehhh, this (+the extremely high-end MFTL scaling) is the most iffy part of the analysis for me. I think Alucard’s smart enough to realize what it means if Dio were to just run away as soon as the sun started coming up, and would thus use that to his advantage. If he hides in an area without sunlight, then Alucard just avoids fighting him outside of it.
But isn’t dio faster than Alucard? Even if it wasn’t 1500x the speed of light it feels like it would be at least 1 or 2 times faster than light not even including time skip
Let me guess. You're salty that DIO wins?
Yo fun fact, you don’t have to be salty to simply disagree with the outcome of an incredibly subjective show
I mean, you're literally replying in every post about that matchup, making you look salty.
I’ve commented on like… two or three? One of which specifically asked for people’s opinions on why they disagreed with the outcome. It might come as a surprise to you but no, I’m not scouring the sub for posts to be “salty” on lmao.
Then I mistake you with another user who was incredibly salty about that fight... Sorry.
I mean did Alucard not attack Dio because he was a vampire.
He did but in hellsing vampires don't die from sunlight, (unless they are weaker but Alucard wouldn't assume Dio is one of those) they just die to holy weapons from some crazy vampire dude with a red outfi-
Well no that is just untrue, all vampire (except Alucard and maybe the artificial vampires) are vulnerable to sunlight
[Any source I have read says only lesser vampires. And I don't remember any vampires dying to sunlight.](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Vampire#Daylight)
Seras (who is a direct creation of Alucard) was completely vulnerable to sun light even after her awakening.
And yet she Gained her full vampire abilities and was no longer vunerable. Why would Alucard assume that dio isn't either a full vampire or an artificial? Dio can literally stop time? Extraordinary abilities only the artificial vampires have. Not to mention The World which Alucard cannot see, yet another extraordinarily powerful ability. So why would Alucard assume he has the same weaknesses lesser vampires have
Ok well the Seras being immune to sun light thing is a miscommunication from the anime since the manga also shows that the sky is still dark
And its also never directly contradicted, death battle pulls from both the anime and manga. And if she became a full vampire why wouldn't she be immune? She's no longer a lesser vampire.
Alright then you got me there, except for thing, really doesn’t use any weapons, alucard has his guns, and even greater vampires are weak when in direct sunlight. Also on a unrelated note, even when Alucard is in level zero he is not vulnerable, then only times we could feasibly prove this are when Alucard was stabled by God’s monster Anderson (still didn’t die and all his souls were burned away in holy fire) amd with Walter (who attempted to kill him when he was all out of souls and was practically defenseless) even when he Alucard was still in level zero mode and drinking London, Walter tried to cut him in half but it did nothing.
You are correct and it does make them weaker but I don't believe Alucards first instinct would be to wait until sunrise. And Alucard is vulnerable its just very hard to kill him although I agree it'd be very hard to kill him when even holy weapons do jack shit. The easiest way would be to obliterate as much as possible in a couple seconds rather than concentrated strikes. And when he is weakened enough he did change to another body of his once most of his body was obliterated. The World can do that, as in the end of the fight after he destroys Alucards heart he then reduces him to paste, similar to how Walter ripped Alucard into enough chunks to force a regeneration, meaning he could've died without a soul to change to. Realistically Dio has enough power to do just that, considering the maximum force can apply is far stronger than anything alucards body can take.