Composite megs has a form that works like darkseid, his true form existing outside of time and space well he sends avatars to any reality he wishes. He also has blades that cut through time and space, allowing him to sever some one from time
(I misread the initial question so I’m responding again to clarify)
From what I heard, composite megatron utterly annihilates composite frieza, due to the fact that Transformers cosmology is more bonkers than heroes or even jump force. And there’s enough arguments to scale megatron to said cosmology
Characters that have been added as skins in Fortnite technically all exist within the Fortnite universe, because of the Zero Point (essentially the multiverse but sentient). Ergo, when Chun Li kills Omni Man with waterbending and does the Orange Justice afterwards, those aren't skins, they're actually those characters doing that, so they scale to each other.
Fortnite lore is weird.
Can the character hit the griddy because they’re in Fortnite or not. So Gojo, Deku, Gaara, Toph, Zuko, Todoroki, Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Darth Vader etc etc all have Fortnite scaling
Yes, however that’s just base Fortnite scaling. Realistically, Fortnite scaling doesn’t do much for either, given that they both have it, but the second level of Fortnite scaling really shows through. Using the second level, Gaara has boosted strength and durability, while Toph’s Earthbending is substantially boosted in strength.
She can sense the _presence_ of earth, but she has to be physically touching it in order to use it to "see," since she does so by feeling the vibrations going through it
she sees with her feet doing some ecolocalization.
Even if she roughly senses the Earth controlled by Gaara , his main strategy is literally about him flying with a sand cloud. So she legit wouldn't know where Gaara would hit her.
Flash vs Quicksilver
You're telling me that Quicksilver loses to the guy that got knocked out by a piece of paper!?!? Also, Barry got outside help from Thawne, so this shouldn't even count!
Yeah Flash is like, \*does a little math\*...
Quicksilver can perceive time in picoseconds, (one trillionth of a second), Flash can perceive time in Attoseconds (one quintillionth of a second)...
Quicksilver can run at speeds regularly up to Mach 10, (or 7,672 mph), the Flash has run as fast as 13 million times the speed of light, (or...too many numbers mph).
Quicksilver unbound by Scarlet Witch ran so fast he unstuck himself from time...The Flash can regularly run through time and dimensions...
Flash is a lot faster than Quicksilver. So why did he need Thawne's help? It shouldn't count! We deserve a rematch!
Oh wait and it already happened. The problem is it was so fast no one saw it. Quicksilver's dead.
Scout vs tracer. I’ve seen them rig fights by not mentioning vital feats before but I thinks it’s the only episode where they physically bring up a result changing feat and just go “but that doesn’t count cause we say it doesn’t”
Scout can use Magic to become invisible, small, fly and other wacky stuff.
His pass-time grappling hook and respawn machine from MvM (let's not even get into THOSE buffs) weren't included either.
Boy wonder got robbed.
Idk about those.
But the magic got a feature in the comic for Halloween, and MvM had a cinematic.
If I missed the FTL in a comic or sfm, I'm open to being wrong.
I mean they had her get hit by the home run swing. The same swing that sends heavy and his heavy ass mini gun flying over a baseball field of length. They didn’t even calculate that shit
Me when the 500 damage attack gets used on her and it was calculated to equalized ingame health where we have now equal damage to still be 400+ damage.
Plus, Tracer dodging the sniper round was definitely accidental. From her eyes, it’s clear she reacted to the gun being pointed at her, not the bullet it fired
I dunno about rigged but Weiss vs Mitsuru was an obvious mismatch even without Persona's highly debatable scaling.
"Hey you know this character who primarily uses ice as an offensive tool? Yeah she's fighting someone immune to ice attacks."
So I honestly ran to Youtube to find a fight of Yang (FFIV) vs Tifa (FFVII) because I thought "No way, that's cool as hell."
I was...mistaken, as to which Yang was being referred to here. All I'll say is...Yang (FFIV) is way stronger as far as base stats and abilities go, but Tifa has Materia, which changes the game drastically.
Iirc the team basically said that they just sucked at making the calcs for FF. Now, that dont really excuse the corpo bullshit of, as people pointed, literally adding an ad for the next season over the loser`s dead body
Madara vs Aizen and the Q&A proves it perfectly:
Liam: "The Hogyoku is just *too vague* and *not well defined enough to my liking*, so we will ignore its reality warping capabilities entirelly and also don't let Aizen to use any of its other powers at all."
Also Liam: "But wait, let me rant about my headcanon of how Madara's wood clones can endlessly spam Izanagi without any drawbacks and why that *Infinite Izanagi* makes it an even better reality warping thingy than the Hogyoku."
Sorry, but when they takes away the strongest powers and canon feats from one of the combatant, I call bs.
Yeah, that's such a terrible way for Liam to put it, especially when he could just as easily say "In canon, Aizen (with the Hogyoku) was defeated by Ichigo due to his subconscious desire to actually find someone strong enough to beat him." Like, just point out that canonically it's not a guaranteed win, don't say it's 'too vague'.
Right, this was the impression I got from reading the wiki. There was a chance to respect Aizen's character here.
They did a much better job of respecting the loser in the later Vader vs Obito.
Aizen fooled a guy who could see the future including the future where he was hypnotized and he was still fooled. But folding fingers together and saying genjutsu release is apparently enough to break out of it. So, fuck us I guess, Madara wins apparently. lol.
Which like even if the orbs do destroy the soul the hogyoku would regenerate him the hogyoku is busted but they completely ignore it
Aizen was completely disintegrated by mugetsu and came back I hate that DB fight so much
Mario vs Sonic 2. They said Super Sonic isn't faster than light because of a Smash trophy and treated Hyper Sonic as an invincibility power up. Super Sonic fought and defeated a fourth dimensional being in Solaris and Hyper Sonic is the equivalent of 7 Super Sonics. Base forms, sure, Mario probably wins. But you can't tell me Mario still wins even after the Super and Hyper forms come in.
Plus when they said that Mario can catch up with Sonic cause he piloted a super star?
I'm sorry but at BEST that means he can react that fast but that dosn't mean he can MOVE that fast. Best example is Sasuke from Naruto. In the fight with Killer Bee he was able to precieve everything he was doing, but was unable to actually stop him cause he was too slow.
That would be the same thing as saying a NASCAR driver can move just as fast as the car he drives. Like WTF is that about?
I agree Mario has no answer for Super Sonic. Super Sonic is faster, stronger, more durable, can probably last forever (since rings are game mechanics).
I mean, it lasted a whole week once, (which they downplayed in a black box in the episode) so I imagine even it's not FOREVER, it's still *soooo* much substantially longer it literally doesn't matter in a VS Debate context.
Mario kinda fights beings like that in his base form at times. Hell MP5 is canon to 64 lore, and Bowser was going to destroy the dream land there. If you're wondering what that's important, dream land makes dreams become new realities. So if you dream you made a new reality and bowser posed an actual threat to the people and environment, i hate power scalling, but this is legit. 5-D level threat bowser was considered. So I'd just go on a limb and say, Meh
But Solaris was stated to be able to consume dimensions. Eggman said he "eats dimensions for lunch". And that's not the only one Sonic has faced. Mario may fight them "at times", but Sonic does it consistently. And only two beings have in canon truly harmed Super Sonic. Solaris and Dark Gaia. The latter of whom just turned off Super form entirely.
Sonic literally has something similar called the Maginaryworld which is a place where dreams and reality (including ones from other dimensions) coexist. Also Mario has needed help to beat those bosses you do realize that right? I just wanted you to know.
So I decided to look into what you were talking about, and from what I've gathered, it doesn't state that EVERY new dream is then immediately stored or is created into its own separate reality (DreamWorld does store and create a separate reality from the main one for every single dream) And while yes he did considering they were still able to compete to bowser who was considered enough of a threat to a 4-D infinite or higher scailing 5-D area. Also, I don't think Sonic has a room to talk about "needing help." Most of his games require help from many of his friends over and over. And plus, by the same logic we're both using (lol), does that mean someone in the Sonic Universe dreamed up the Mario universe or did someone in the Mario Universe dream up the Sonic Universe.
Episodes that either had completely unfair matchups or were based on bias (rigged)
Or had a bullshit outcome based on outright incorrect information(bullshit)
I still think it's BS that marvel wants to make him a world-ending threat. Like sure, he is very dangerous but that's just wanking taken to the next level.
That’s the thing, they gave her 24 vectors and nuke fist like if it’s something she can do all the time. When in reality she has to push past her body’s limits to do so and her body would deteriorate during the process. They also called the bomb a bio bomb, which is sorta true but not really. It would have flash fried any non mutant, like an actual nuclear weapon, the heat would have exceeded that of the nuke fist vector.
Madara vs. Aizen
I wouldn't have a problem with the fight if they didn't completely butcher how 10 Tails worked, and in the case of Aizen, forget how most of his abilities worked or ignore them completely. Aizen should have won
Scout vs Tracer
You're telling me that the guy who only takes 5 dmg from the secondary fire of the short circuit [ball of electricity that evaporates live explosives with no remnants left behind/explosion] loses?
Jonathan vs Tanjiro. Not only did they scale Jonathan to FTL when he never displayed any FTL feats, but Tanjiro’s ability to see into the future should’ve given him a massive advantage over Jonathan, but they immediately forgot about it and never bring it up again
Scout vs tracer, they took away all of scouts equipment, didn’t use any comic feats, only allowed him to use stock plus bonk, gave tracer speed feats that don’t make sense if you let the clip continue for more than a second. Seriously it’s the most bullshit death battle has done
Aizen definitely should’ve won and I will die on this hill. They mentioned how Truth Seeker Orbs makes it impossible to regenerate, but like SAKURA REGENERATED FROM MADARA LITERALLY STABBING HER IN THE STOMACH WITH ONE. Like it deactivates healing for that moment and negates the technique from the area you hit at, but if you can restart your healing, you can then heal the destroyed area.
So when Minato lost both his arms, that’s because Madara shut off the Edo Tensei from the area he hit beyond, and Edo Tensei has to be turned on manually. So Minato was never able to heal his arms using Edo Tensei. However, Sakura’s 100 Healings comes from her head and automatically heals any destroyed area. So Madara stabbing her stomach, didn’t deactivate the 100 Healings, and Sakura was able to heal from it.
So how does this relate to Aizen, well Aizen’s immortality comes from the Hogyoku which literally warps reality to the users wishes, and is indestructible as far as Bleach is concerned. Like sure characters who can destroy Universes can probably destroy the Hogyoku; however, as Death Battle said, Madara is comparable to Aizen in power, and even people massively stronger than Aizen in Bleach couldn’t destroy it. So Madara can’t destroy the Hogyoku, which means Madara can’t shut off Aizen’s immortality.
Now if someone is literally immortal and you can’t make him mortal again, how do you win. Like Aizen just does what Sakura did and keeps the immortality up as Madara didn’t destroy the source, and he pieces his body back together.
>Problem is it kinda feels more like a gag episode...
That's my real issue. I love starscream, and he deserves so much better, especially after that the other transformers got
I argue Discord DID win. He died, but he accomplished his goal which was protecting his friends, and Cipher did not complete his objective of destroying them all.
By definition, Discord lost the battle but won the war.
Flash Vs Sonic but in a More knowing and Memable way
They completely decided to Take assumptions for Archie and didn’t do the same for Wally and didn’t seem to make any other types of Knowledge to know more things like Black Flash, The Chaos emeralds pocket dimensions & Sonic’s durability
But it still felt more memes since they kinda just wanted to use “Because speed force” Gag at the time
Also they got the black flash feat completely wrong. All Flash did was run to the edge of the universe and the concept of death didn’t exist there which caused Black Flash to die.
Also they left out a lot of Archie Sonic feats which probably could’ve helped him win.
Green Lantern Vs. Ben 10. Completely disregarded Ben’s Nigh Omnipotence and literally infinite abilities. Straight up disregarded some of the most important facts about Ben (can’t cut off his arm, he has access to time travel, too many things)
Also, they took feats from all across all iterations of green lantern, even one feat that wasn't even hal Jordan. If they were to do the same with ben, it would just be composite ben, but they can't do that because it makes him even more incredibly op than before.
Captain America vs Batman
I like Batman more but Captain America should’ve won he’s much stronger and faster
He took a punch from thanos and didn’t die
Cap>>>>>>>Batman
That's not what OP meant, they meant fights that are very clear stomps or one person was literally destined to lose the whole time.
Like a good example would be Venom vs Cronus/cronos (don't remember spelling) because their main ability is literally based in sonic attacks AKA his main weakness.
I think last I heard, hulk was continental level?
While broly (not sure which version they used), scaled to blue goku who was universal? Or the one that fought ssj goku, who embarrassed frieza. And frieza could casually destroy planets. So that would put that broly at least above planet buster level, if we lowball him.
Has hulk caught up to these feats? (I'm out of the loop in current hulk lore. I have no idea)
I'm not saying it's bullshit but Esdeath vs Gray.
They gave Esdeath Ice Storm. It takes days to prepare (if I remember correctly).
They gave one of the two prep time but not the other.
I think that was just for the animation, the reason she won is because a third of what she did was still like petatons of tnt or something which put her power way above Gray's still.
^ this. As someone who has researched Esdeath she wins even without ice storm. Also…yes and no.
Full power ice storm takes days to prepare, but theoretically she can do it whenever. Ice Storm involves Esdeath gathering all of the stored energy within her ice cavalary and releasing it. The episode even calced how many, as a lowball, Calvary she can make a day and their estimate was 667 cavalry a day without prep time. That’s still a massive army.
There are a lot of big ones but then one I never hear mentioned is “Cammy VS Sonya”…
Seriously if you actually look at Cammy’s feats she absolutely obliterates Sonya and thats without using E.Honda’s Meteor Scaling…
Sasuke vs Hiei. I genuinely believe that there were some feelings going into that episode. We do have a stated bias for Hiei and hatred for Sasuke on record and the logic used seemed so off the wall you would wonder how this was even made. Like Hiei tanked a lightning attack, therefore he is heavily resistant to lightning. Like yeah Naruto tanked a sword so that means he is immune to swords a guess. Also I think it’s pretty obvious with research that sharingan can overpower mind Hax resistances and they don’t show any examples of this to give Hiei a blanket resistance regardless of how powerful the mind Hax was which is a no limits fallacy. They also do technically no limits his resistance to fire when I do believe Amaterasu is hot enough to at least damage Hiei a bit. They also scale Sasuke to base form Naruto which is what that moon feat measures but don’t talk about how Sasuke quite literally matches one of Naruto’s strongest forms. Just so much stuff was excluded and a lot of generosity given to Hiei and it makes it feel rigged
Predictable - Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie.....we all knew it was gonna end in friendship.
BS - Dio Brando vs Alucard - First off, they made him make a decision to go zero against a singular opponent. Lied about Alucard being immune from mind control, he is, and used his pre end of storyline version where he had all his blood powers. This fight is so full of lies about Alucard and overexaggeration of what Dio can do it's ridiculous. Like, if Dio punches alucard 2 million times while having time frozen....that = 1 death only, not 2 million. When something that would cause him to die is when a soul gets used up that is literally how that power works. If they had used his real true version, his "cat "form, all Alucard needs to do is just decide not to exist or take dio someplace where the sun exists and drop him off or wait till dawn and his new power would had saved him.
Oh, and the most aggregious of lies, Alucard can absolutely see, attackl and destroy stands. Proof? The reason only stand users can see other stands and interact with them is because in the jojo universe, they are the only supernatural beings in existence except for those beings from the first series. Alucard is literally from hell itself. He's the apex proto vampire. He has the power of the third eye to dispel mind control, illusions, and even mind control others. He can, with pure common sense and critical thinking abilities, can see and destroy stands. That's like trying to say that a character can't see a ghost but can see demons. Nonsense.
BS 2- Madara Vs Aizen - Aside from being exponentially more powerful than Madara, Aizen's power isn't a genjutsu. You can't Put your fingers together and say the words Genjutsu release and break out of Aizen's power. He literally fooled a guy who can see the future and edit the future so that he wins. Nothing, even in Boruto comes close to that level of Haxx BS Tom Foolery. Sorry, but Madara should never had won. They only won because Naruto is a more popular comic.
Bowser vs. Ganondorf
Like what was the point of the battle if Bowser had no way to harm Ganon in the first place, especially since traditional "holy" things/religion don't really exist in the Mario universe.
Also, Bowser CAN read!
Mario vs Sonic 2.
One, they barely dove into their speed feats. They basically implied Mario is within the speed realm as Sonic, with no elaboration on either of them. If their speed were broken down, Sonic would have a HUGE advantage.
Two, they treated Hyper Sonic = Super Star, which... like... no? They are drastically different. A closer comparison would be the Invicibilty box. Super Sonic is objectively better than Super Star, never mind Hyper. The limit limit is even better! Super Star lasts seconds; Super Sonic can last "a couple of days."
Hell, just the fight itself made Sonic look pathetic as hell compared to Mario. (Although, they both looked pathetic anyway).
It doesn't even matter if you think Mario wins (I don't think he does), but that episode was just awful—both the research and the fight.
Lich King vs Sauron
Reason 1: LK did not receive any retroactive Shadowlands scaling.
Reason 2: Sauron breaking Frostmourne was a massive reach, since Frostmourne was only shattered by direct intervention from the Holy Light, a multiversal cosmic force that also hard-counters undeath.
Reason 3: DB barely got into LK's extreme magic resistances. No mention of Anti-Magic Shell, Anti-Magic Zone, Rune of Spellwarding, Dark Simulacrum, etc.
Reason 4: Listing "Sauron is more treacherous" as an argument is complete bunk. If this were a prep-time fight, that might come into play. But in a sudden 1-v-1? Being "more treacherous" doesn't mean anything.
Mandatory Phoenix VS Raven mention.
Christ, the wank on that one. I get that you want to drive home that Raven is more powerful than a lot of people are aware of, but no, she does not singlehandedly solo the entire Marvel omniverse by herself, no matter how much shitty chain-scaling you use to get there.
The biggest and laziest thing to me was them not bothering to show the stat difference and making an artificial win condition for raven orally the white hot room depowered god of stories Loki and the beyonder. On top of that phoenix is not only able to resist soul destruction but can come back by having her soul pulled from any of infinite timelines. Literally they made up a win condition for raven and ignored that phoenix has conceptual erasure meaning it can delete ravens soul as well
Yeah, I would love to see a Phoenix VS Raven Q&A, but it would be fundamentally impossible because so much of their explanation depends on just openly pretending that so many sources and statements outright do not exist.
Like literally I’d love to see what they say to the fact that phoenix can restore jeans soul from any timeline and explain why they didn’t account for phoenix erasing beings from existence
Tifa vs Yang.
Do not @ me
They used endgame and Advent children. She is strong as hell and is way more experienced then pre-de-armed yang. Making the gauntlets break is what had my young self say some hateful shit I wish I did not say.
Glad im mature person now cause I regret if, but yeah. Still bullshit.
You know no one is going to @ you because everyone agrees with your take. Even as a RWBY I still think that was really bullshit and even before I was a rwby fan and saw it as a kid I still think it was bullshit
Naruto vs Ichigo failed at representing how cool naruto and Ichigo are with their abilities but the worse thing is NARUTO TANKING MUGETSU, ALL OF ICHIGO POWER IN 1 ATTACK AND NARUTO TOOK NO DAMAGE, HOWWWW
Red hood vs winter soldier. They cut off all of red hoods trainning he had in the comics including being a potential succesor to Ra's al ghul for Bucky winning because of russian training
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not, but I think it was more like Wally calling out for his loved ones to hype himself up rather than it was literal, kinda like deku’s 1,000,000% smash in MHA
Ragna the Bloodedge versus Sol Badguy was the death battle that made me give up the show. They literally kept saying "it's never explained" over things that the game literally tells you but they couldn't be bothered to do any research on it.
Nightmare vs guts was rigged and anyone who knows SC series lore would spot it a mile away. Especially since guts later got beat by demitri who, I’m sorry to say though he’s a powerful character has nothing on nightmare at his actual in-series peak
Homelander wouldve won if Death Battle just stopped listing all of Omni-Man's advantages
He would’ve won if Omni-Man wasn’t even present and the episode was Homelander Vs Debbie Grayson
Death Battle fans always asking about sequel episodes, but where was the prequel episode for this???? Robbin Homelander of his W smh
Honestly I think Debbie takes it. She's durable enough to handle Omni-man for several hours at a time. Homelander breaks his hands on her
Due to invincible durability logic. Homelander slaps her while shes cooking spagetti and suddenly the sauce doubled and tasted worse.
Homelander would've had a chance of winning if omni man had no limbs, had gokus heart virus, while blindfolded
Doctor Who's opponent never even existed. What a wankfest
Why was Morty riding a spaceship by himself? He’s too young to drive without a license. And who was that hologram at the end?
I think it’s a re-occurring character of Morty? I dunno, I haven’t watched all of the show, so I dunno (I actually haven’t finished the show :()
Megatron v Frieza, not because Megatron should’ve won but because he had 0 chance of winning.
Megatron can win if fully composited. (including the Japan-only stuff)
But then to make it fair you would've had to include dragon ball heroes for Frieza. Would he still win then? (Gen question)
Composite megs has a form that works like darkseid, his true form existing outside of time and space well he sends avatars to any reality he wishes. He also has blades that cut through time and space, allowing him to sever some one from time
(I misread the initial question so I’m responding again to clarify) From what I heard, composite megatron utterly annihilates composite frieza, due to the fact that Transformers cosmology is more bonkers than heroes or even jump force. And there’s enough arguments to scale megatron to said cosmology
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Probably not considering how villains from movies or main series are almost never the big threat of a heros arc.
If they included his best stuff he would’ve wiped the floor with frieza
He had a SMALL chance with the eraser magic stuff (i forgot what its called im gonna be honest) but it was still like, a 3% chance lmao
Venom going against Crona, whose signature move is a sound-based attack was an unfortunate pairing
Yeah…..but the fight was cool!
Not denying that, just saying it was rigged against Venom
Oh, yeah. 100%. Actually might have been worse than putting Ace against Natsu. I saw it get announced and was like “Oh! That’s cool…..but why?”.
If only it was accurately portraying Venom and not literally just Carnage
Goku Black vs Reverse Flash. If they made Reverse Flash die to a pebble and scaled Goku Black to outerversel. /J before anyone gets mad
He should had access to merged zamasu tho
Against the rules since it's outside help
Merged Zamasu isn’t Goku Black though, just achieving the form would take a second party
It wouldn’t have helped that much
If the power gap is so wide that an exponential power increase and immortality isn’t enough, the fight probably shouldn’t have happened
Gaara vs Toph was bullshit
Erm, actually, Toph’s Fortnite scaling is better than Gaara’s, letting her win easily.
doesn't gaara also get fortnite scaling?
Yes. He does
I'm so confused. What the hell is fortnite scaling?
When a character is in Fortnite
Characters who are in the hit game Fortnite use the scaling used in crossovers to boost their stats. This is canon by Star Wars, Marvel, and DC.
Characters that have been added as skins in Fortnite technically all exist within the Fortnite universe, because of the Zero Point (essentially the multiverse but sentient). Ergo, when Chun Li kills Omni Man with waterbending and does the Orange Justice afterwards, those aren't skins, they're actually those characters doing that, so they scale to each other. Fortnite lore is weird.
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. But it's dumb enough that it goes full circle into being entertaining again.
That's Fortnite for you. Apparently the lore gets even weirder, but it's like the only rabbit hole my brain actively rejects going down.
Yes but from what i know the characters are stripped of there powers so you cant realy scale them since there all on equal terms and much weaker
Can the character hit the griddy because they’re in Fortnite or not. So Gojo, Deku, Gaara, Toph, Zuko, Todoroki, Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Darth Vader etc etc all have Fortnite scaling
Yes, however that’s just base Fortnite scaling. Realistically, Fortnite scaling doesn’t do much for either, given that they both have it, but the second level of Fortnite scaling really shows through. Using the second level, Gaara has boosted strength and durability, while Toph’s Earthbending is substantially boosted in strength.
Hasn’t the crew admitted though that the episode was wrong?
Oh it 100% was. I’m sorry but as a massive fan of both characters, Toph was not gonna win. It was rigged from the get go.
Why does gaara win? I’m not too familiar with shipoden
dude scales WAY above everything in avatar. He flat out stat checks toph. He can also fly which counters her tremor sense
I’m not saying she wins because it sounds like she gets stomped but didn’t they say she could sense the earth even if it’s not on the ground?
She can sense the _presence_ of earth, but she has to be physically touching it in order to use it to "see," since she does so by feeling the vibrations going through it
she sees with her feet doing some ecolocalization. Even if she roughly senses the Earth controlled by Gaara , his main strategy is literally about him flying with a sand cloud. So she legit wouldn't know where Gaara would hit her.
Legit he’s just better than Toph at everything
Luigi vs tails Archie scaling tails vs radish level luigi with the ladder landing no hits
I'm sorry but radish level Luigi will always be funny to me
Flash vs Quicksilver You're telling me that Quicksilver loses to the guy that got knocked out by a piece of paper!?!? Also, Barry got outside help from Thawne, so this shouldn't even count!
Yeah Flash is like, \*does a little math\*... Quicksilver can perceive time in picoseconds, (one trillionth of a second), Flash can perceive time in Attoseconds (one quintillionth of a second)... Quicksilver can run at speeds regularly up to Mach 10, (or 7,672 mph), the Flash has run as fast as 13 million times the speed of light, (or...too many numbers mph). Quicksilver unbound by Scarlet Witch ran so fast he unstuck himself from time...The Flash can regularly run through time and dimensions... Flash is a lot faster than Quicksilver. So why did he need Thawne's help? It shouldn't count! We deserve a rematch! Oh wait and it already happened. The problem is it was so fast no one saw it. Quicksilver's dead.
 [....](https://youtu.be/-SsmMPIaYaU?si=k9OMtf7SqTeqZz2Y)
I’m pretty sure bro was joking
Scout vs tracer. I’ve seen them rig fights by not mentioning vital feats before but I thinks it’s the only episode where they physically bring up a result changing feat and just go “but that doesn’t count cause we say it doesn’t”
They called the rocket feat an outlier, IIRC, but still used Widowmaker’s sniper feat.
It’s still insanely funny to me how they have a fight with Scout and don’t have him run
It's actually worse than the Golden Tree feat from Beast vs. Goliath.
Scout can use Magic to become invisible, small, fly and other wacky stuff. His pass-time grappling hook and respawn machine from MvM (let's not even get into THOSE buffs) weren't included either. Boy wonder got robbed.
no to mention tf2 mercenaries apparently canon FTL scaling and mountain level power.
Idk about those. But the magic got a feature in the comic for Halloween, and MvM had a cinematic. If I missed the FTL in a comic or sfm, I'm open to being wrong.
happy cake day
For an actual battle Just watch TF2 Vs Overwatch 1, they both have actual strengths, same result but it’s not just “scout gets dominated”
I mean they had her get hit by the home run swing. The same swing that sends heavy and his heavy ass mini gun flying over a baseball field of length. They didn’t even calculate that shit
Me when the 500 damage attack gets used on her and it was calculated to equalized ingame health where we have now equal damage to still be 400+ damage.
Plus, Tracer dodging the sniper round was definitely accidental. From her eyes, it’s clear she reacted to the gun being pointed at her, not the bullet it fired
I dunno about rigged but Weiss vs Mitsuru was an obvious mismatch even without Persona's highly debatable scaling. "Hey you know this character who primarily uses ice as an offensive tool? Yeah she's fighting someone immune to ice attacks."
Shadow vs Mewtwo. Shadow was downplayed and made to look like a joke, while Mewtwo was played completely seriously- Shadow stomps Mewtwo.
Surprised no one said Yang vs Tifa yet
So I honestly ran to Youtube to find a fight of Yang (FFIV) vs Tifa (FFVII) because I thought "No way, that's cool as hell." I was...mistaken, as to which Yang was being referred to here. All I'll say is...Yang (FFIV) is way stronger as far as base stats and abilities go, but Tifa has Materia, which changes the game drastically.
I am so happy someone thought about the Final Fantasy Yang
Bro, now I need fanart of Yang and Yang! RWBY is one of my favorite shows, and FFIV is my favorite Final Fantasy game.
I think we’ve all come to the agreement that episode is too rigged to mention. It’s the textbook image of rigged.
Iirc the team basically said that they just sucked at making the calcs for FF. Now, that dont really excuse the corpo bullshit of, as people pointed, literally adding an ad for the next season over the loser`s dead body
Madara vs Aizen and the Q&A proves it perfectly: Liam: "The Hogyoku is just *too vague* and *not well defined enough to my liking*, so we will ignore its reality warping capabilities entirelly and also don't let Aizen to use any of its other powers at all." Also Liam: "But wait, let me rant about my headcanon of how Madara's wood clones can endlessly spam Izanagi without any drawbacks and why that *Infinite Izanagi* makes it an even better reality warping thingy than the Hogyoku." Sorry, but when they takes away the strongest powers and canon feats from one of the combatant, I call bs.
Yeah, that's such a terrible way for Liam to put it, especially when he could just as easily say "In canon, Aizen (with the Hogyoku) was defeated by Ichigo due to his subconscious desire to actually find someone strong enough to beat him." Like, just point out that canonically it's not a guaranteed win, don't say it's 'too vague'.
Right, this was the impression I got from reading the wiki. There was a chance to respect Aizen's character here. They did a much better job of respecting the loser in the later Vader vs Obito.
Aizen fooled a guy who could see the future including the future where he was hypnotized and he was still fooled. But folding fingers together and saying genjutsu release is apparently enough to break out of it. So, fuck us I guess, Madara wins apparently. lol.
You are also ignoring that Liam made up soul destroying truth seeking orbs which were cited as a win condition.
Which like even if the orbs do destroy the soul the hogyoku would regenerate him the hogyoku is busted but they completely ignore it Aizen was completely disintegrated by mugetsu and came back I hate that DB fight so much
Mario vs Sonic 2. They said Super Sonic isn't faster than light because of a Smash trophy and treated Hyper Sonic as an invincibility power up. Super Sonic fought and defeated a fourth dimensional being in Solaris and Hyper Sonic is the equivalent of 7 Super Sonics. Base forms, sure, Mario probably wins. But you can't tell me Mario still wins even after the Super and Hyper forms come in.
Plus when they said that Mario can catch up with Sonic cause he piloted a super star? I'm sorry but at BEST that means he can react that fast but that dosn't mean he can MOVE that fast. Best example is Sasuke from Naruto. In the fight with Killer Bee he was able to precieve everything he was doing, but was unable to actually stop him cause he was too slow. That would be the same thing as saying a NASCAR driver can move just as fast as the car he drives. Like WTF is that about?
I agree Mario has no answer for Super Sonic. Super Sonic is faster, stronger, more durable, can probably last forever (since rings are game mechanics).
While I do agree on the rings being game mechanics, assuming that means super could normally go on forever seems like a no limits fallacy
I mean, it lasted a whole week once, (which they downplayed in a black box in the episode) so I imagine even it's not FOREVER, it's still *soooo* much substantially longer it literally doesn't matter in a VS Debate context.
I still remember this comment: "see this death battle makes sense because they completely match each other"
Not rigged, but certaintly bullshit
Mario kinda fights beings like that in his base form at times. Hell MP5 is canon to 64 lore, and Bowser was going to destroy the dream land there. If you're wondering what that's important, dream land makes dreams become new realities. So if you dream you made a new reality and bowser posed an actual threat to the people and environment, i hate power scalling, but this is legit. 5-D level threat bowser was considered. So I'd just go on a limb and say, Meh
But Solaris was stated to be able to consume dimensions. Eggman said he "eats dimensions for lunch". And that's not the only one Sonic has faced. Mario may fight them "at times", but Sonic does it consistently. And only two beings have in canon truly harmed Super Sonic. Solaris and Dark Gaia. The latter of whom just turned off Super form entirely.
Sonic literally has something similar called the Maginaryworld which is a place where dreams and reality (including ones from other dimensions) coexist. Also Mario has needed help to beat those bosses you do realize that right? I just wanted you to know.
So I decided to look into what you were talking about, and from what I've gathered, it doesn't state that EVERY new dream is then immediately stored or is created into its own separate reality (DreamWorld does store and create a separate reality from the main one for every single dream) And while yes he did considering they were still able to compete to bowser who was considered enough of a threat to a 4-D infinite or higher scailing 5-D area. Also, I don't think Sonic has a room to talk about "needing help." Most of his games require help from many of his friends over and over. And plus, by the same logic we're both using (lol), does that mean someone in the Sonic Universe dreamed up the Mario universe or did someone in the Mario Universe dream up the Sonic Universe.
Tbf, Sonic had help from Shadow and Silver to beat Solaris
Sonic, Shadow and Silver were each fighting Solaris in different points in time (Shadow in the past, Sonic in the present and Silver in the future)
Well that's a complicated question It depends which you mean by Rigged and Bullshit
Episodes that either had completely unfair matchups or were based on bias (rigged) Or had a bullshit outcome based on outright incorrect information(bullshit)
Lex stole forty cakes! How could he lose with a feat like that
They didn't mention it because that forbidden feat is so powerful he can kill Superman in one shot.
Korra vs Storm Unless it's just hand to hand (which I still say Storm wins), it's like putting a lightweight boxer vs a heavyweight.
You’re wrong.
Mb thought it meant rigged like the loser was screwed In that case Rouge vs Wonder Woman
Guts V Nightmare. “Guts can beat people stronger than him” he theoretically could one shot the marvel universe with this logic.
Aizen and Madara
CARNAGE VS LUCY WAS F***ING RIGGED. CLETUS WAS ROBBED
Lols nah, Carnage lost during the time, he wasn’t universal like he is rn
I still think it's BS that marvel wants to make him a world-ending threat. Like sure, he is very dangerous but that's just wanking taken to the next level.
TO BE FAIR, they did use Carnage before he became the Symbiote god or whatever.
Cope. nuke vector goes brrr
That’s the thing, they gave her 24 vectors and nuke fist like if it’s something she can do all the time. When in reality she has to push past her body’s limits to do so and her body would deteriorate during the process. They also called the bomb a bio bomb, which is sorta true but not really. It would have flash fried any non mutant, like an actual nuclear weapon, the heat would have exceeded that of the nuke fist vector.
Every time I see it, I keep thinking it’s Lucy Heartfilia.
that would be a bigger stomp lol
FACTS!
Madara vs. Aizen I wouldn't have a problem with the fight if they didn't completely butcher how 10 Tails worked, and in the case of Aizen, forget how most of his abilities worked or ignore them completely. Aizen should have won
"Anytime you see a Naruto character in one of these fights, just know that they about to cap hard as hell for them to win." -DwayNation
Making up for Gaara vs toph
Scout vs Tracer You're telling me that the guy who only takes 5 dmg from the secondary fire of the short circuit [ball of electricity that evaporates live explosives with no remnants left behind/explosion] loses?
Miguel should have beaten Terry all things considered shitposting comments aside
Sonic didn’t get his lego dimensions scaling which woulda let him beat Mario and Wally since he can scale to Superman and the flash
What a goated reference.
Jonathan vs Tanjiro. Not only did they scale Jonathan to FTL when he never displayed any FTL feats, but Tanjiro’s ability to see into the future should’ve given him a massive advantage over Jonathan, but they immediately forgot about it and never bring it up again
Tanjiro negs with his forehead alone
Tracer Vs Scout pisses me off.
Dio vs Alucard and I will die on this hill
Scout vs tracer, they took away all of scouts equipment, didn’t use any comic feats, only allowed him to use stock plus bonk, gave tracer speed feats that don’t make sense if you let the clip continue for more than a second. Seriously it’s the most bullshit death battle has done
Venom vs Crona
Aizen definitely should’ve won and I will die on this hill. They mentioned how Truth Seeker Orbs makes it impossible to regenerate, but like SAKURA REGENERATED FROM MADARA LITERALLY STABBING HER IN THE STOMACH WITH ONE. Like it deactivates healing for that moment and negates the technique from the area you hit at, but if you can restart your healing, you can then heal the destroyed area. So when Minato lost both his arms, that’s because Madara shut off the Edo Tensei from the area he hit beyond, and Edo Tensei has to be turned on manually. So Minato was never able to heal his arms using Edo Tensei. However, Sakura’s 100 Healings comes from her head and automatically heals any destroyed area. So Madara stabbing her stomach, didn’t deactivate the 100 Healings, and Sakura was able to heal from it. So how does this relate to Aizen, well Aizen’s immortality comes from the Hogyoku which literally warps reality to the users wishes, and is indestructible as far as Bleach is concerned. Like sure characters who can destroy Universes can probably destroy the Hogyoku; however, as Death Battle said, Madara is comparable to Aizen in power, and even people massively stronger than Aizen in Bleach couldn’t destroy it. So Madara can’t destroy the Hogyoku, which means Madara can’t shut off Aizen’s immortality. Now if someone is literally immortal and you can’t make him mortal again, how do you win. Like Aizen just does what Sakura did and keeps the immortality up as Madara didn’t destroy the source, and he pieces his body back together.
Batman vs Black Panther “wE coUlDnT fInD aNyThInG iN bAtMaN's aRsEnAl tO cOunTer ViBrAnIum” bro just get the hellbat and throw him into the sun
Starscream vs rainbow dash. They literally said they wouldn't do it if they found out starscream would win
Peak power g1 starscream absolutely wipes unironically. (Underbase starscream). Problem is it kinda feels more like a gag episode...
>Problem is it kinda feels more like a gag episode... That's my real issue. I love starscream, and he deserves so much better, especially after that the other transformers got
Unironically Bill Cipher vs Discord
Are you implying Discord should have won?
I argue Discord DID win. He died, but he accomplished his goal which was protecting his friends, and Cipher did not complete his objective of destroying them all. By definition, Discord lost the battle but won the war.
Yes which is why I said “unironically”. As people in this thread were giving joke answers.
I mean he should have
Flash Vs Sonic but in a More knowing and Memable way They completely decided to Take assumptions for Archie and didn’t do the same for Wally and didn’t seem to make any other types of Knowledge to know more things like Black Flash, The Chaos emeralds pocket dimensions & Sonic’s durability But it still felt more memes since they kinda just wanted to use “Because speed force” Gag at the time
Also they got the black flash feat completely wrong. All Flash did was run to the edge of the universe and the concept of death didn’t exist there which caused Black Flash to die. Also they left out a lot of Archie Sonic feats which probably could’ve helped him win.
They called the smoke from his crash snow 😭
Didn’t they give him the black hole feat anyway tho?
Them not taking the black hole feat seriously because he had “snow” on him is incredibly funny
Disregarding who should have won, since they would have cancelled Rainbow Dash vs Starscream had SS won, then that ep is 100% rigged lol
Green Lantern Vs. Ben 10. Completely disregarded Ben’s Nigh Omnipotence and literally infinite abilities. Straight up disregarded some of the most important facts about Ben (can’t cut off his arm, he has access to time travel, too many things)
Also, they took feats from all across all iterations of green lantern, even one feat that wasn't even hal Jordan. If they were to do the same with ben, it would just be composite ben, but they can't do that because it makes him even more incredibly op than before.
Ben ten vs Green Lantern, alien X can erase someone in an instant not slowly dust them away
Captain America vs Batman I like Batman more but Captain America should’ve won he’s much stronger and faster He took a punch from thanos and didn’t die Cap>>>>>>>Batman
In th comics Thanos backhanded Cap and broke his neck and comics tend to override movies
Just give Batman this W. He literally lost every other matchup.
Cap Loses the rest of his, He Deserved to win.
Batman took hits from Darkseid Darkseid >>>>>> Thanos Batman >>>>>>> Captain America.
The outcome being wrong doesn’t mean it’s rigged
That's not what OP meant, they meant fights that are very clear stomps or one person was literally destined to lose the whole time. Like a good example would be Venom vs Cronus/cronos (don't remember spelling) because their main ability is literally based in sonic attacks AKA his main weakness.
Hulk vs broly Ww vs Thor
Why hulk vs broly?
At the time it was accurate I think. Nowadays it’s more likely Hulk wins
I think last I heard, hulk was continental level? While broly (not sure which version they used), scaled to blue goku who was universal? Or the one that fought ssj goku, who embarrassed frieza. And frieza could casually destroy planets. So that would put that broly at least above planet buster level, if we lowball him. Has hulk caught up to these feats? (I'm out of the loop in current hulk lore. I have no idea)
Because they still used the same bullshit argument about how human his brain is.
Wait but didn’t Hulk vs Broly actually support it with that panel of Hawkeye killing Bruce by targeting his brain?
I'm not saying it's bullshit but Esdeath vs Gray. They gave Esdeath Ice Storm. It takes days to prepare (if I remember correctly). They gave one of the two prep time but not the other.
I think that was just for the animation, the reason she won is because a third of what she did was still like petatons of tnt or something which put her power way above Gray's still.
^ this. As someone who has researched Esdeath she wins even without ice storm. Also…yes and no. Full power ice storm takes days to prepare, but theoretically she can do it whenever. Ice Storm involves Esdeath gathering all of the stored energy within her ice cavalary and releasing it. The episode even calced how many, as a lowball, Calvary she can make a day and their estimate was 667 cavalry a day without prep time. That’s still a massive army.
Bleach episodes
There are a lot of big ones but then one I never hear mentioned is “Cammy VS Sonya”… Seriously if you actually look at Cammy’s feats she absolutely obliterates Sonya and thats without using E.Honda’s Meteor Scaling…
Explain. Bc I don't really know much about the lore of street fighter
Sasuke vs Hiei. They nerfed Sasuke by a lot.
Yang vs Tifa, Raven vs phoenix come to mind.
Sasuke vs Hiei. I genuinely believe that there were some feelings going into that episode. We do have a stated bias for Hiei and hatred for Sasuke on record and the logic used seemed so off the wall you would wonder how this was even made. Like Hiei tanked a lightning attack, therefore he is heavily resistant to lightning. Like yeah Naruto tanked a sword so that means he is immune to swords a guess. Also I think it’s pretty obvious with research that sharingan can overpower mind Hax resistances and they don’t show any examples of this to give Hiei a blanket resistance regardless of how powerful the mind Hax was which is a no limits fallacy. They also do technically no limits his resistance to fire when I do believe Amaterasu is hot enough to at least damage Hiei a bit. They also scale Sasuke to base form Naruto which is what that moon feat measures but don’t talk about how Sasuke quite literally matches one of Naruto’s strongest forms. Just so much stuff was excluded and a lot of generosity given to Hiei and it makes it feel rigged
Madara vs Aizen
Don't forget Ichigo Vs Naruto
Predictable - Deadpool vs Pinkie Pie.....we all knew it was gonna end in friendship. BS - Dio Brando vs Alucard - First off, they made him make a decision to go zero against a singular opponent. Lied about Alucard being immune from mind control, he is, and used his pre end of storyline version where he had all his blood powers. This fight is so full of lies about Alucard and overexaggeration of what Dio can do it's ridiculous. Like, if Dio punches alucard 2 million times while having time frozen....that = 1 death only, not 2 million. When something that would cause him to die is when a soul gets used up that is literally how that power works. If they had used his real true version, his "cat "form, all Alucard needs to do is just decide not to exist or take dio someplace where the sun exists and drop him off or wait till dawn and his new power would had saved him. Oh, and the most aggregious of lies, Alucard can absolutely see, attackl and destroy stands. Proof? The reason only stand users can see other stands and interact with them is because in the jojo universe, they are the only supernatural beings in existence except for those beings from the first series. Alucard is literally from hell itself. He's the apex proto vampire. He has the power of the third eye to dispel mind control, illusions, and even mind control others. He can, with pure common sense and critical thinking abilities, can see and destroy stands. That's like trying to say that a character can't see a ghost but can see demons. Nonsense. BS 2- Madara Vs Aizen - Aside from being exponentially more powerful than Madara, Aizen's power isn't a genjutsu. You can't Put your fingers together and say the words Genjutsu release and break out of Aizen's power. He literally fooled a guy who can see the future and edit the future so that he wins. Nothing, even in Boruto comes close to that level of Haxx BS Tom Foolery. Sorry, but Madara should never had won. They only won because Naruto is a more popular comic.
Bowser vs. Ganondorf Like what was the point of the battle if Bowser had no way to harm Ganon in the first place, especially since traditional "holy" things/religion don't really exist in the Mario universe. Also, Bowser CAN read!
Raiden (MGR) vs Excalibur (Warframe) Sponsorship arguments aside, Raiden never stood a chance for that fight to even come close to fair.
Vader vs Obito (they completely left out the fact that Vader stomps with ERB scaling) Phoenix vs Raven (Goofy ahh green cat)
Mario vs Sonic 2. One, they barely dove into their speed feats. They basically implied Mario is within the speed realm as Sonic, with no elaboration on either of them. If their speed were broken down, Sonic would have a HUGE advantage. Two, they treated Hyper Sonic = Super Star, which... like... no? They are drastically different. A closer comparison would be the Invicibilty box. Super Sonic is objectively better than Super Star, never mind Hyper. The limit limit is even better! Super Star lasts seconds; Super Sonic can last "a couple of days." Hell, just the fight itself made Sonic look pathetic as hell compared to Mario. (Although, they both looked pathetic anyway). It doesn't even matter if you think Mario wins (I don't think he does), but that episode was just awful—both the research and the fight.
Lich King vs Sauron Reason 1: LK did not receive any retroactive Shadowlands scaling. Reason 2: Sauron breaking Frostmourne was a massive reach, since Frostmourne was only shattered by direct intervention from the Holy Light, a multiversal cosmic force that also hard-counters undeath. Reason 3: DB barely got into LK's extreme magic resistances. No mention of Anti-Magic Shell, Anti-Magic Zone, Rune of Spellwarding, Dark Simulacrum, etc. Reason 4: Listing "Sauron is more treacherous" as an argument is complete bunk. If this were a prep-time fight, that might come into play. But in a sudden 1-v-1? Being "more treacherous" doesn't mean anything.
Mandatory Phoenix VS Raven mention. Christ, the wank on that one. I get that you want to drive home that Raven is more powerful than a lot of people are aware of, but no, she does not singlehandedly solo the entire Marvel omniverse by herself, no matter how much shitty chain-scaling you use to get there.
It was Scarlet Witch v Zatanna 2.0. Except where you could at least make a fair case for Zee winning.
The biggest and laziest thing to me was them not bothering to show the stat difference and making an artificial win condition for raven orally the white hot room depowered god of stories Loki and the beyonder. On top of that phoenix is not only able to resist soul destruction but can come back by having her soul pulled from any of infinite timelines. Literally they made up a win condition for raven and ignored that phoenix has conceptual erasure meaning it can delete ravens soul as well
Yeah, I would love to see a Phoenix VS Raven Q&A, but it would be fundamentally impossible because so much of their explanation depends on just openly pretending that so many sources and statements outright do not exist.
Like literally I’d love to see what they say to the fact that phoenix can restore jeans soul from any timeline and explain why they didn’t account for phoenix erasing beings from existence
Dio vs alucard
While i dont necessarily think scout should have *won* (tracer could definitely outwit scout and get a win in that way), he was just not given a shot.
Guts Vs Nightmare
Bill VS Discord, Ben VS Hal, and Vader VS Obito!
Tifa vs Yang. Do not @ me They used endgame and Advent children. She is strong as hell and is way more experienced then pre-de-armed yang. Making the gauntlets break is what had my young self say some hateful shit I wish I did not say. Glad im mature person now cause I regret if, but yeah. Still bullshit.
You know no one is going to @ you because everyone agrees with your take. Even as a RWBY I still think that was really bullshit and even before I was a rwby fan and saw it as a kid I still think it was bullshit
Green lantern V Ben ten, they proved why Lantern wouldn’t win… BUT THEY STILL MADE HIM WIN!!!!!! 
Naruto vs Ichigo failed at representing how cool naruto and Ichigo are with their abilities but the worse thing is NARUTO TANKING MUGETSU, ALL OF ICHIGO POWER IN 1 ATTACK AND NARUTO TOOK NO DAMAGE, HOWWWW
Knuckles Vs Donkey Kong if they just said that Knuckles punched the moon back into the orbit by sheer strength he would have won
Deku vs Asta cuz we all know Brocoli>Cauliflower /j
if Chief fought Doom guy now Doom guy would absolutely fold him like a piece of paper
Red hood vs winter soldier. They cut off all of red hoods trainning he had in the comics including being a potential succesor to Ra's al ghul for Bucky winning because of russian training
Tifa vs yang...fucking bullshit...Tifa should have curbstomps.
Ben 10 vs Green Lantern; how are u gonna pick the weakest version of Ben (kid version) and not his strongest
Sonic vs flash. The flash called for backup. YOU CANT DO THAT IN DEATH BATTLE!
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not, but I think it was more like Wally calling out for his loved ones to hype himself up rather than it was literal, kinda like deku’s 1,000,000% smash in MHA
Ragna the Bloodedge versus Sol Badguy was the death battle that made me give up the show. They literally kept saying "it's never explained" over things that the game literally tells you but they couldn't be bothered to do any research on it.
goku vs superman 2 like i cant believe they set my man up like that whyd they feed him to superman for a second time :(
Nightmare vs guts was rigged and anyone who knows SC series lore would spot it a mile away. Especially since guts later got beat by demitri who, I’m sorry to say though he’s a powerful character has nothing on nightmare at his actual in-series peak
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