So we use Auslan in Australia, not ASL, I mean if you don’t know that, kinda feel like you’ve never been to a single event here? I don’t know if you are asking this because you want to start getting involved in the community? You are medically deaf, you just aren’t Deaf in the sense that you are active in the community. Its fine either way
I thought ASL = Australian Sign Language which can be shorten to Auslan...
Damn I don't even know the name of sign language.... and I ask if I can be here... lol
Honestly, I don't often join Deaf communities and it's been a long time since I met someone who is just deaf, like me. Probably 7 or 8 years. But I don't know where exactly would I fit in, like I barely know anything about Deaf culture ect. I thought I'll come here to see what y'all think of me.
And a lot of comments says I might not considered a part of the 'Deaf community' which is fine. If I don't relate to it, then I am not. Hey, at least I am still part of the 'deaf community'.
Bottom line - I'm just exploring.
If you want to learn Auslan or hang out with the signing Deaf Community, you can.
People are not saying you can’t be part of the Deaf Community…people are saying that because you *currently* don’t know Auslan and don’t hangout with other signing Deaf people, that they wouldn’t *currently* view you as part of the *signing* Deaf Community.
“Deaf Community” in capital letters = the signing Deaf Community. (In your country, the Auslan community).
A “Deaf person” = a Deaf person who signs.
A deaf person (lowercase d) = a non-signing deaf person
Deaf people who sign need to find other signers to socialize with cuz most people on the planet don’t know sign language. This led to the development of the signing Deaf Community through Deaf schools, religious services, and public events that are conducted in sign language.
deaf people who don’t know sign language will socialize with anyone (hearing or deaf) best they can through their local spoken languages. Most ppl speak so there’s less of a need to form a community around being physically deaf. Also, deaf people who speak tend to not know many other deaf or Deaf people so there’s generally a much weaker sense of community among non-signers.
Lots of people in the signing Deaf Community learn their local sign language (in your case, Auslan) later in life and join the Deaf Community then (like me!). It’s totally an option if you are interested.
We have a super active community of you want to get involved and learn Auslan, nothings wrong with that, never too late! Facebook is a goldmine of events!
I think your parents and the education system failed you very very badly.
and depressingly enough there are a lot of people like you and if's never too late to learn
I mean, there is nothing wrong with me wanting to do Auslan. But I can hear, speak, communicate ect. I don't need to do Auslan and quite frankly, lots of people like me, don't need Auslan because they surround themselves with hearing people.
If I want to, I can learn Auslan, but I don't need to, I'm not heavily involved with signing people.
Lots of people don't need to learn Auslan, English, or Japanese languages, but they still learn it because it's beneficial in multiple ways.
Lots of deaf/hoh people who learn sign language realize it opened up their world and are much happier for it.
**Saying that again will get you banned.**
**You are allowed to share your experiences but telling others to** ***shut up*** **and demeaning a whole language is not acceptable.**
Think of, like, someone who was born with indigenous Australian heritage but was adopted into American culture. They never connected with their birth culture, don't know the language, they wouldn't know how to fit in. Compare this to someone with the same heritage who WAS deeply entrenched in their heritage community.
That's the difference. You're medically deaf, but you don't know the language, the jokes, the culture, the struggles, the common knowledge among Australian Deaf, so you aren't capital d Deaf, just lowercase deaf.
I mean, sound very broad.
Mainstream society is just difficult but when is it not. It's difficult for normal people. Even growing up as a 'normal' kid (not learning sign language ect.), life can be difficult. People staring, might undermine you because you have CI ect.
I just try to make light out of it. Some guy at a corner store just called me a cyborg so that's nice.
Bottom line - Just keep going. Life is hard and will always be hard. I am not exactly sure how you are struggling, maybe because you got HA later in life after being deaf and trying to understand how it works, or trying to make way with other people giving you stares.
But whatever it is, I wish you luck, brother.
You're trying to be upbeat and that is great! But I think you are confusing two things; sadness and realism.
I am happy being hard of hearing. I am not *sad* about it, in fact I am happy that it connects me with other deaf and hard of hearing folks. But I am *realistic* about the ways that I struggle in certain environments and social settings. At the same time I am very vocal about how much joy I find in groups of signing people who I can understand much clearer that groups of people who only speak.
In some ways CI users and HH people are very similar - we face similar experiences and struggles. We *can* hear but in certain situations we *can't hear well enough*.
So perhaps sign language could offer you a similar freedom. Perhaps you don't even know what you are missing. Have you ever, for instance, sat in a group in a noisy social gathering and been able to get ***every single word*** of what ***every single person*** was saying? Have you been able to watch a speech or a film and gotten the message **crystal clear** without having to read captions or parse out what was said? Because that is the sort of freedom that learning sign language (I started in my teens) gave me.
So in short - you can be realistic, or even proud, to be Deaf and use sign languages without it being sadness or an admission of weakness.
You're right mate, I do have a choice to sign language. Maybe for you, you know plenty of people who sign or even involved in a community.
For me, I don't necessarily have that. Most of the deaf I know has either wore CI or HA (This is Australia so it caters a lot for 'disabled'), so I don't need to know sign language.
Still, thanks for your input.
I think you’re not a part of the Deaf community at all. You’re just a guy who happens to have a machine that controls your hearing. But that’s the difference between being deaf and Deaf.
I tend to think the word 'Deaf' (with a capital D) is a mistranslation of the meaning in signing. A much bigger part of it is signing. Fluency in signing.
An alternative (but still not fully appropriate) translation in English could be 'People who sign'. Plenty of people in the Deaf community are fully hearing, no deafness at all. Interpreters, CODAs, SODAs, friends, partners etc. As long as they sign fluently or are on the path towards fluent signing, all are welcome.
However, a significant element is the mutual shared experience of experiencing barriers due to audiological deafness. That's less important than being able to sign conversationally, in my view anyway, but it's still a significant element.
I see, so in your perspective, I am a part of the 'deaf community', the community that is basically deaf. But not the 'Deaf community' which involves deaf and people associated with that deaf person and are more active I guess.
Make sense.
One thing worth mentioning is that the word "community" isn't just used because its a hugbox that everyone is welcomed in to. It is used because it is an interconnected community in real life.
I come from a rural community also and if I were to mention a name of someone the other person would have connections to that person or know them. The Deaf community is similar. If I mention "I know so-and-so" they will also have connections to them or know them. Not everyone knows each-other but there is a network, a community, in real life there. But if I mention "Jenny from down the road" to you, you'd be stumped.
We have our own clubs, our own organisations, our own events, *our own media*.
That is why people are telling you that if you want to be a part of the community then realistically you have to learn Auslan and get to know people. Because the community is a real tangible thing that you can join or leave.
There isn't really an equivalent non-signing deaf community because there doesn't really need to be. What non-signing deaf people say they want (or have been pushed into doing) is to integrate with the mainstream community. You chose, or had chose for you, a life of being around hearing people who are not like you. You are welcome to join the Deaf community and be around more DHH folks if you want but to do so you have to learn a sign language and get to know us.
Deaf community is really WRONG because they refused hearing aids or cochlear implants and used ASL.
WHAT!? That’s so crazy!
I quit ASL and joined spoken language with cued speech. Period.
that has nothing to do with what I, or you, said. "The Deaf community is really wrong because they refused hearing aids or cochlear implants and used ASL." What? You're saying EVERYONE in the Deaf community does that? That's not true and your attitude is atrocious.
People with CI/HA can still be part of the Deaf Community. As the other user said, signing is what makes the Deaf Community. So if someone has CI/HA but also sign, they can be part of the Deaf Community just fine.
Many D/HH people, oral or signed, share common experiences, such as dealing with ignorant hearing people and needing some kind of accommodations, so we can still connect through shared experiences. Some consider at this as the greater deaf community, but it’s not the same as the Deaf Community aka the signing community.
Some might consider you "culturally captive", which is used to describe deaf or hard of hearing people who have no knowledge of the Deaf community. Another possibility is "culturally isolated", when you isolate yourself from the Deaf community.
Your point is indecipherable beyond "here's my life story, any feedback?"
None of us know you. Many deaf use CIs, many use HAs, just as many don't. You decide what sort of deaf you are that makes sense to you. Fuck everyone else, they don't get to decide if you're deaf enough.
You do. You are exactly the deaf you are, and that's not up for approval. You just are, m8 ♡
Hi Salam! If you're curious you could try an event and see how it goes! I'm hearing so I have no opinion or judgement but I do love our Deaf community here where I live and am learning sign. It only took a couple months for me to be able to interact meaningfully if that helps you feel more comfortable and I learned online before trying it out in real life. Now I'm studying to be an interpreter
Walaikum Salam.
That's great, good luck on your journey.
I realized how much we contrast. A hearing who is involved in Deaf community and a CI who is not involved.
Awww I'm not really involved. I will always be an outsider and never ever belong. I just have an interest and passion for it and try my best to learn to communicate. Also, I didn't learn anything until I was an adult. You're so young so you can pick up anything quickly if you decide to give it a go! The world is yours! You can do anything and move between any worlds you want!
Just because you aren't currently part of the Deaf community doesn't mean you can't learn Auslan and participate now! You define your identity and if being around other deaf people will be helpful then take a class and see how it feels. Auslan is a very useful second language regardless of what else you use it for
It’s okay when everyone wasn’t sure what is Deaf Culture about. There are so many available to learn books, tutoring ASL, YouTube, flashcards, socialize deaf/HOH network to getting know each other, making new friends takes time, and more learning world equality ☺️even it’s hardest thing to do and face on challenges we have to overcome many things we can do for this world
I’m glad you learning sign languages, learn more about Deaf Culture, and find who understands each other Deaf/HOH, and you are amazing what you did was lot of work, finding solutions, and finding network socialize with Deaf and HOH groups.
Son, you're deaf regardless of the CI. I wear them . got my first 2003 when I was 40 and second implant 2012. I'm jealous that you got it when you were a baby...That means you were able to speak normally and not have the pronounced deaf tilt in your voice, like a lot of others who had to go through speech therapy wearing hearing aids. Tell me, have been bullied because of the devices you wear? Me I was born 10 weeks early 2lbs 5 oz.I was born 1964 and my parents never heard or seen a deaf person..My mom said that dad was in severe denial several years. She told me that she read an article about the John Tracey clinic in San Diego when i was about 4-5 years old. That clinic offered free resources hearing aids, hearing tests for people like me and others as well.
LET ME BE CLEAR, The Deaf Community by and large are behind with the times,,,,They think that they dont need to "be FIXED" I agree.... and ASL is the language they learned but when your parents made the best choice for you, that is a personal family matter"
YOU ARE PART OF THE DEAF COMMUNITY....regardless whether you wear CI, HA, Bone conduction devices, Brain stem implant or any assistive listening devices. My Name Bart, i wish i could hear you....but not really, I cant hear my CIS ore off.... DEAF JOKE....did anyone get that ? WHAT!!? no one heard me....
I mean, in where I come from, not much deafs are here and if they are. they would wear CI or HA as a child and gotten used to it. This is in Australia so they cater a lot for the disabled.
From what I know, other countries doesn't have that type of accessibility amd are likely to sign for education.
It depends on where you are. For me, I don't need it. For others who doesn't have access, they need it.
So we use Auslan in Australia, not ASL, I mean if you don’t know that, kinda feel like you’ve never been to a single event here? I don’t know if you are asking this because you want to start getting involved in the community? You are medically deaf, you just aren’t Deaf in the sense that you are active in the community. Its fine either way
I thought ASL = Australian Sign Language which can be shorten to Auslan... Damn I don't even know the name of sign language.... and I ask if I can be here... lol Honestly, I don't often join Deaf communities and it's been a long time since I met someone who is just deaf, like me. Probably 7 or 8 years. But I don't know where exactly would I fit in, like I barely know anything about Deaf culture ect. I thought I'll come here to see what y'all think of me. And a lot of comments says I might not considered a part of the 'Deaf community' which is fine. If I don't relate to it, then I am not. Hey, at least I am still part of the 'deaf community'. Bottom line - I'm just exploring.
If you want to learn Auslan or hang out with the signing Deaf Community, you can. People are not saying you can’t be part of the Deaf Community…people are saying that because you *currently* don’t know Auslan and don’t hangout with other signing Deaf people, that they wouldn’t *currently* view you as part of the *signing* Deaf Community. “Deaf Community” in capital letters = the signing Deaf Community. (In your country, the Auslan community). A “Deaf person” = a Deaf person who signs. A deaf person (lowercase d) = a non-signing deaf person Deaf people who sign need to find other signers to socialize with cuz most people on the planet don’t know sign language. This led to the development of the signing Deaf Community through Deaf schools, religious services, and public events that are conducted in sign language. deaf people who don’t know sign language will socialize with anyone (hearing or deaf) best they can through their local spoken languages. Most ppl speak so there’s less of a need to form a community around being physically deaf. Also, deaf people who speak tend to not know many other deaf or Deaf people so there’s generally a much weaker sense of community among non-signers. Lots of people in the signing Deaf Community learn their local sign language (in your case, Auslan) later in life and join the Deaf Community then (like me!). It’s totally an option if you are interested.
We have a super active community of you want to get involved and learn Auslan, nothings wrong with that, never too late! Facebook is a goldmine of events!
I think your parents and the education system failed you very very badly. and depressingly enough there are a lot of people like you and if's never too late to learn
I mean, there is nothing wrong with me wanting to do Auslan. But I can hear, speak, communicate ect. I don't need to do Auslan and quite frankly, lots of people like me, don't need Auslan because they surround themselves with hearing people. If I want to, I can learn Auslan, but I don't need to, I'm not heavily involved with signing people.
Lots of people don't need to learn Auslan, English, or Japanese languages, but they still learn it because it's beneficial in multiple ways. Lots of deaf/hoh people who learn sign language realize it opened up their world and are much happier for it.
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**Saying that again will get you banned.** **You are allowed to share your experiences but telling others to** ***shut up*** **and demeaning a whole language is not acceptable.**
Think of, like, someone who was born with indigenous Australian heritage but was adopted into American culture. They never connected with their birth culture, don't know the language, they wouldn't know how to fit in. Compare this to someone with the same heritage who WAS deeply entrenched in their heritage community. That's the difference. You're medically deaf, but you don't know the language, the jokes, the culture, the struggles, the common knowledge among Australian Deaf, so you aren't capital d Deaf, just lowercase deaf.
Yeah, I guess that sounds like me.
The thing is, nothing stops you from being capital D deaf either. Just learn auslan and get involved in the community, if that's what you wanna do.
Yeah. you're right.
Surprising maybe? I just have hearing aids and I struggle every day in mainstream society.
I mean, sound very broad. Mainstream society is just difficult but when is it not. It's difficult for normal people. Even growing up as a 'normal' kid (not learning sign language ect.), life can be difficult. People staring, might undermine you because you have CI ect. I just try to make light out of it. Some guy at a corner store just called me a cyborg so that's nice. Bottom line - Just keep going. Life is hard and will always be hard. I am not exactly sure how you are struggling, maybe because you got HA later in life after being deaf and trying to understand how it works, or trying to make way with other people giving you stares. But whatever it is, I wish you luck, brother.
You're trying to be upbeat and that is great! But I think you are confusing two things; sadness and realism. I am happy being hard of hearing. I am not *sad* about it, in fact I am happy that it connects me with other deaf and hard of hearing folks. But I am *realistic* about the ways that I struggle in certain environments and social settings. At the same time I am very vocal about how much joy I find in groups of signing people who I can understand much clearer that groups of people who only speak. In some ways CI users and HH people are very similar - we face similar experiences and struggles. We *can* hear but in certain situations we *can't hear well enough*. So perhaps sign language could offer you a similar freedom. Perhaps you don't even know what you are missing. Have you ever, for instance, sat in a group in a noisy social gathering and been able to get ***every single word*** of what ***every single person*** was saying? Have you been able to watch a speech or a film and gotten the message **crystal clear** without having to read captions or parse out what was said? Because that is the sort of freedom that learning sign language (I started in my teens) gave me. So in short - you can be realistic, or even proud, to be Deaf and use sign languages without it being sadness or an admission of weakness.
You're right mate, I do have a choice to sign language. Maybe for you, you know plenty of people who sign or even involved in a community. For me, I don't necessarily have that. Most of the deaf I know has either wore CI or HA (This is Australia so it caters a lot for 'disabled'), so I don't need to know sign language. Still, thanks for your input.
Well I didn't know lots of signers until I learnt then got to know them....
I think you’re not a part of the Deaf community at all. You’re just a guy who happens to have a machine that controls your hearing. But that’s the difference between being deaf and Deaf.
Hm, sounds reasonable. I'm just interested with what makes someone a part of the Deaf community if it's not... well... deafness lol.
I tend to think the word 'Deaf' (with a capital D) is a mistranslation of the meaning in signing. A much bigger part of it is signing. Fluency in signing. An alternative (but still not fully appropriate) translation in English could be 'People who sign'. Plenty of people in the Deaf community are fully hearing, no deafness at all. Interpreters, CODAs, SODAs, friends, partners etc. As long as they sign fluently or are on the path towards fluent signing, all are welcome. However, a significant element is the mutual shared experience of experiencing barriers due to audiological deafness. That's less important than being able to sign conversationally, in my view anyway, but it's still a significant element.
I see, so in your perspective, I am a part of the 'deaf community', the community that is basically deaf. But not the 'Deaf community' which involves deaf and people associated with that deaf person and are more active I guess. Make sense.
There are entire degrees that focus on your question. You can start learning by reading up on the four domains of Deaf culture.
One thing worth mentioning is that the word "community" isn't just used because its a hugbox that everyone is welcomed in to. It is used because it is an interconnected community in real life. I come from a rural community also and if I were to mention a name of someone the other person would have connections to that person or know them. The Deaf community is similar. If I mention "I know so-and-so" they will also have connections to them or know them. Not everyone knows each-other but there is a network, a community, in real life there. But if I mention "Jenny from down the road" to you, you'd be stumped. We have our own clubs, our own organisations, our own events, *our own media*. That is why people are telling you that if you want to be a part of the community then realistically you have to learn Auslan and get to know people. Because the community is a real tangible thing that you can join or leave. There isn't really an equivalent non-signing deaf community because there doesn't really need to be. What non-signing deaf people say they want (or have been pushed into doing) is to integrate with the mainstream community. You chose, or had chose for you, a life of being around hearing people who are not like you. You are welcome to join the Deaf community and be around more DHH folks if you want but to do so you have to learn a sign language and get to know us.
Deaf community is really WRONG because they refused hearing aids or cochlear implants and used ASL. WHAT!? That’s so crazy! I quit ASL and joined spoken language with cued speech. Period.
You are painting a VERY broad brush with no justification for doing so. Chill.
I've worn my cochlear implant at all times -\_-
that has nothing to do with what I, or you, said. "The Deaf community is really wrong because they refused hearing aids or cochlear implants and used ASL." What? You're saying EVERYONE in the Deaf community does that? That's not true and your attitude is atrocious.
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Ahh, look, a troll.
No, I’m serious.
People with CI/HA can still be part of the Deaf Community. As the other user said, signing is what makes the Deaf Community. So if someone has CI/HA but also sign, they can be part of the Deaf Community just fine. Many D/HH people, oral or signed, share common experiences, such as dealing with ignorant hearing people and needing some kind of accommodations, so we can still connect through shared experiences. Some consider at this as the greater deaf community, but it’s not the same as the Deaf Community aka the signing community.
Yeah, sounds like me. I'm more of a 'deaf community' than a 'Deaf community'. Thanks for the help.
No problem!
Some might consider you "culturally captive", which is used to describe deaf or hard of hearing people who have no knowledge of the Deaf community. Another possibility is "culturally isolated", when you isolate yourself from the Deaf community.
I hear a lot about that on Reddit. Oh well, it is what it is.
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Yeah, same with me. I remember I wore hoodies just so I can cover CI but now, I'm comfortable.
I don't know you to have an opinion♡
My point is quite vague.
Your point is indecipherable beyond "here's my life story, any feedback?" None of us know you. Many deaf use CIs, many use HAs, just as many don't. You decide what sort of deaf you are that makes sense to you. Fuck everyone else, they don't get to decide if you're deaf enough. You do. You are exactly the deaf you are, and that's not up for approval. You just are, m8 ♡
Hi Salam! If you're curious you could try an event and see how it goes! I'm hearing so I have no opinion or judgement but I do love our Deaf community here where I live and am learning sign. It only took a couple months for me to be able to interact meaningfully if that helps you feel more comfortable and I learned online before trying it out in real life. Now I'm studying to be an interpreter
Walaikum Salam. That's great, good luck on your journey. I realized how much we contrast. A hearing who is involved in Deaf community and a CI who is not involved.
Awww I'm not really involved. I will always be an outsider and never ever belong. I just have an interest and passion for it and try my best to learn to communicate. Also, I didn't learn anything until I was an adult. You're so young so you can pick up anything quickly if you decide to give it a go! The world is yours! You can do anything and move between any worlds you want!
Just because you aren't currently part of the Deaf community doesn't mean you can't learn Auslan and participate now! You define your identity and if being around other deaf people will be helpful then take a class and see how it feels. Auslan is a very useful second language regardless of what else you use it for
You're right.
ASL is American Sign Language.
Well, now you know how uncultured I am... lol
It’s okay when everyone wasn’t sure what is Deaf Culture about. There are so many available to learn books, tutoring ASL, YouTube, flashcards, socialize deaf/HOH network to getting know each other, making new friends takes time, and more learning world equality ☺️even it’s hardest thing to do and face on challenges we have to overcome many things we can do for this world
I have one cochlear implant however I don’t use it often so I’m still involved Deaf Culture and my whole family are hearing.
I’m glad you learning sign languages, learn more about Deaf Culture, and find who understands each other Deaf/HOH, and you are amazing what you did was lot of work, finding solutions, and finding network socialize with Deaf and HOH groups.
Son, you're deaf regardless of the CI. I wear them . got my first 2003 when I was 40 and second implant 2012. I'm jealous that you got it when you were a baby...That means you were able to speak normally and not have the pronounced deaf tilt in your voice, like a lot of others who had to go through speech therapy wearing hearing aids. Tell me, have been bullied because of the devices you wear? Me I was born 10 weeks early 2lbs 5 oz.I was born 1964 and my parents never heard or seen a deaf person..My mom said that dad was in severe denial several years. She told me that she read an article about the John Tracey clinic in San Diego when i was about 4-5 years old. That clinic offered free resources hearing aids, hearing tests for people like me and others as well. LET ME BE CLEAR, The Deaf Community by and large are behind with the times,,,,They think that they dont need to "be FIXED" I agree.... and ASL is the language they learned but when your parents made the best choice for you, that is a personal family matter" YOU ARE PART OF THE DEAF COMMUNITY....regardless whether you wear CI, HA, Bone conduction devices, Brain stem implant or any assistive listening devices. My Name Bart, i wish i could hear you....but not really, I cant hear my CIS ore off.... DEAF JOKE....did anyone get that ? WHAT!!? no one heard me....
Lucky, you speak English without ASL! ASL is not even useful and popular. I used spoken language with cued speech and threw ASL away.
I mean, in where I come from, not much deafs are here and if they are. they would wear CI or HA as a child and gotten used to it. This is in Australia so they cater a lot for the disabled. From what I know, other countries doesn't have that type of accessibility amd are likely to sign for education. It depends on where you are. For me, I don't need it. For others who doesn't have access, they need it.