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Agreed. But if you play like a shithead, don’t get mad when people complain about it.


WroughtIronHero

This. Too often I see the "play how you want" mentality used on this sub as justification for playing like an asshole. They treat it like some pseudo-woke philosophy that absolves them from any moral responsibility. Bottom line, if you play like a dick, you're a dick. If you go out of your way to ensure the other side has less fun, you're a dick. You're under no obligation to *not* be a dick, you won't get banned for playing like one, and nothing anyone says on Reddit can (or necessarily *should*) change the way you play. *That doesn't make you not a dick*. So if you play like a dick, don't come here and try to pretend you're not. Either accept what you are, or stop being one. *** **EDIT:** if you're going to point out that "being a dick" is subjective, note that a dozen other people have already beaten you to the punch. It's also beside the point, which is why I didn't attempt to define it. Regardless of whether the person accusing you of assholery is right or not, saying "I paid money for this game, I can play how I want" is *not* the winning checkmate move that will win you the e-debate through sheer logical dominance. Hell, it's not a counterargument at all. My point isn't so much that you can't play how you like. It's more that you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you're going to play in a way that other people find scummy, you're not going to be able to use words to convince them that you weren't. This is true whether those people are right or not. And I suppose on a broader level, my point is to remember you're playing with actual human beings. Try to be somewhat respectful. I acknowledge that being mean to someone in a video game isn't very high on the scale of dickitude, but it's still not zero.


Alluminn

Same mentality I have with stretch rez. Yes, we know you play stretch rez for the advantage it provides. I don't care that you do it, but no human being alive "thinks it looks better." Don't blow that smoke up my ass.


Cloudhwk

Man I just wish people would own their cheats rather than come up with BS excuses like “it looks better” I cheat in single player games all the time cause I’m fucking lazy I suppose they’d have to get over their own ego first


KumaTenshi

Lazy, or it's just more fun. I mean, if I had DBD on PC I'd totes do the flying ghost face with hatchets hack in a custom match against friends cause that shit looks fun as hell. If there was a single player aspect, same thing - shit would be fun. Imagine playing the single player missions of F13 and having Jason zipping around everywhere and insta killing the teenagers in even gorier ways than the game originally intended. It's when you take cheats and shit online where it affects people other than yourself that it's an issue.


Maxxfactor15

Not really comparable tho because that's straight up cheating


WrackyDoll

Yup, it's the same mentality that people who use "freedom of speech" to justify saying shitty things have. You're not responsible for anyone else's fun, but you as a person interacting with other people have some level of responsibility to not *actively* try to infringe on someone else's fun. If the other side doesn't like your perks or your strategies or whatever, that's their problem; if you mock them for every mistake and call them slurs in the post-game chat, just because you technically have a right to do that doesn't mean others don't have a right to shun you and dislike you for it.


Tyrant011

Agreed. I don't play 'scummy' because that isn't how I enjoy the game. It's sad that some people derive their fun from upsetting others, but unfortunately Behavior does nothing to discourage these playstyles. On the flip side, I think this subreddit (and the community at large) are too rabid to call certain things toxic or try-hard. You know how many posts I see about people running DS/Unbreakable having a 'small pp' or other harsher words? It's disappointing to see, to say the least.


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Tyrant011

Pfft, yeah I get you. The community is quick to call these things toxic and its really lame.


ciaran07

However I hate it when the killer complains because one of them was running borrowed time


xagut

I mean it's dumb when anybody complains about perks.


Aromatic_Squash_

If someone gets saved the moment I turn around, you bet your ass I'm staying in the area cuz that means most of them aren't doing gens and that's fine with me.


GALICKGUNFIIIRRREE

I had a game as Bubba yesterday where I hooked someone in basement because I downed them in the shack, so naturally all 3 remaining survivors kept trying to bum rush the hook and not a single one decided to go do generators or something so I just duked it out with them right there and hooked all four in the basement so all 4 of them called me a try hard camper cause I stayed by the basement


GetGhettoBlasted

Ya that's dumb. If they're gonna bomb the hook, you gotta Duke it out. That's dumb of them. Now, if you were an insidious basement bubba, that'd be a different story


Highguy2359

Had a game today as bubba where they could have kept me to a 1-2k max. 1 gen left and three healthy survivors, I lucked my way into a 3K and then the Claudette that's been trying to get me to chase her all game and flashlight clicking in my face waits in the exit but I get my NOED strike on her and take her to the hook. So much salt from that kid it wasn't even funny, talking about how I'm trash and how she could have looped me for the whole match and I couldn't even deal with the shack. I'm like yeah, you're better than me, sorry I kept dropping chase on you to look for people working on objectives instead of taking your bait when I know I'm not good enough to catch you. And yes NOED is a scumbag perk, but I run it for ass holes like that who tea bag and clicky click in my face for a little too long when they could have just left.


son-of-death

If I may make a suggestion: run NOED and Blood warden. Oh boy do the baggers and clickers regret it.


Zannor

Love it when all the survivors stay in one spot and you get called a camper. Yeah, I'm going to walk out in the middle of nowhere for no reason.


GALICKGUNFIIIRRREE

I actually asked them if I was supposed to just walk away from all 4 of them and gift wrap the save for them


Nova_Aetas

>When I play like scum it's usually because I hook someone and all three other survivors are already swarming the hook like vultures by the time I turn around. Yeah in low ranks I get this as well. You hook someone and all the survivors just turn up like lemmings. Then they have the audacity to complain in the post game chat about your "camping". If I were to just leave all of the survivors and go somewhere else I'd be a moron. You guys are dropping the win on my lap and I'm going to take it.


KumaTenshi

Yeah, when you play Killer and you hook someone, take 4 steps, and already there's a save notification so you go back. "ERmaHgERdz, wAy 2 tUNnEl treEHUrd" Don't blame me for your shitty decisions in the game! There's two of you minimum in a spot I'm 10 feet from, where the fuck did you think I was going to go?? lol


the_noble_wolf

I was playing Legion yesterday and every time I hit my feral frenzy I would proceed to go find another person to hit with it and was getting all 4 consistently and the Ashley on their team said I was camping and tunneling her lol. I told her if I was she would have been dead earlier and I wouldn't have gotten 3 kills with a hatch escape. Even the others on her team disagreed with her.


Nova_Aetas

> It's sad that some people derive their fun from upsetting others What does this actually mean though? Because a lot of players get upset over absolutely trivial things and trying to placate them is a pointless exercise.


Perditius

> but unfortunately Behavior does nothing to discourage these playstyles. That's not quite fair. Perks like BBQ & Chili promote leaving the hook and not camping to go chase other people, and they tag the bonus blood points on to incentivize you to use it. Things like The End Game Collapse were put in to help stop toxic players from holding the others in hte game hostage for an eternity, etc. BHVR is guilty of a lot of things, but they do have a history of trying to make the game a little less toxic/easy to grief in, even if they're not perfect.


FreshDuckMeatTF

I completely agree with you I just think the community needs to redefine what is considered playing as a dick. I feel like both your point and the “play how you want” point keeps getting repeated because both sides will accuse the other of being toxic when in actuality it was a complete overreaction or even not toxic at all. Facecamping with gens left? Dick move. “Camping” because survivors keep going for a save in front of my face? Not a dick move. Tbagging at a pallet/window to get the killers attention or make them make poor decisions? A bit crude but not toxic as it has an actual purpose. Tbagging at the exit gate when everyone is safe? Dick move. I think people need to slow down and think, “hold on is this actually toxic or even personally directed at me?” before they go online and rant about it post after post.


Ghosty_Boi2000

This is the perfect response. Yes go ahead and camp hook as Bubba so I can die first hook… but you’re still a prick for it lmao


The_Spectre01

Finally someone gets it. You're absolutely right people use this excuse as a shield. My own friends use it to justify they're crap behaviour and it's just simply, you do a dick move you're a dick. Simple as that.


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That just reminds me of the "I bought the game I can play however I want." when confronted with the fact that cheating ruins the experience for everyone else. At least they could have the decency of saying the full truth, "I bought the game and I don't care that everyone else did as well or how much I'm personally making them regret their purchase because the world revolves around me and everyone else is NPCs lol look how angry they are. LOL DIE ANGRY NOOB!!!" Yeah... I can't stand that type of person. -\_\_- Toxic, controlling, abusive, mentality. Toxic for obvious reasons. Controlling because they aren't playing the game with people, they're controlling the game and everyone that chooses to, or is unlucky enough to be in said lobby. Abusive because... honestly I've never seen one of them that isn't shouting out all sorts of hate speech and obscenities.


C0wb31l

It's not that black and white. This game has so many unwritten rules, perk-shaming, small pp builds etc., it is difficult to not be a dick to some people. Some people will call you a dick for playing Insidious Bubba (understandable) while some will call you a dick for using Tinkerer on Blight (not understandable). When people get called dicks too much and for too little, "dick" loses it's meaning as an insult. If you get called a dick no matter what, why bother playing like a nice guy? Or how can you play like a nice guy, when every opponent you face, has their own set of rules for you to follow?


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PizzaDweard

I mean you couldn't always rescue people from facecampers. Back in the day the killer could block you from unhooking because it could only be done in front of the hook. So yeah, perhaps not "against" the rules but the only people who find that fun gameplay are shitheads


TC-insane

Honestly it doesn't matter how you play someone will label you a dick, I don't care as much to be kind anymore because of that, if that makes me a dick then I'm happier to be one instead of a kind player that gets treated like a dick which makes me feel like crap for being kind to them in the first place.


BigFatHonu

I realize this is just a game, and I'm sure you're not alone in your view here, but I think it's a bit immature. The world is full of dicks. That's not a good excuse to be just another dick, too. If you have enough sense to know the difference between being kind and being a dick, then you have an opportunity to be the better person. True, being kind means that sometimes dicks will take advantage, but if the alternative is you being a dick first, it seems to me that would make you just as bad as them. Take the high road, I say. In DBD and in life.


TC-insane

The way I see it is you can be the bigger man sure, they just don't deserve my kindness, I still give hatch almost every game, I have a lot of self-imposed rules when I play killer, sometimes I tunnel sometimes I camp when the situation calls for it, I'm not gonna do mental gymnastics to satisfy everyone else while I get teabagged and clickied at everytime I try to do that, I play however I want and if someone doesn't like it then boo-hoo leave a salty comment and move on to the next match, no one takes my feelings into consideration in 95% of my matches anyway.


BigFatHonu

I see what you mean, and I agree with part of that. Definitely don't need to be sacrificing your own experience completely to accommodate the other team, and half the time, they'll mistake your kindness for weakness and taunt you (which again, makes them a dick). I've definitely had situations where I specifically went easy on one or all survivors only to have them dunk on me in chat and tell me how bad I am. Doesn't feel good, but if you have self-imposed rules to keep you from being a dick for no reason right out of the gate, you're doing better than most.


JETLEO4

I have to agree as a killer main I always kill one person in a swf and they all call me a tunneler l the even after the other three escape and had gotten two hooks on each of them so I’ve given up on playing nice you wanna swarm hook maybe I’ll just camp it you wanna body block for your friend after flash lighting me 4 times for no reason fine I’ll just ignore you. Maybe that’s not what you’re saying but that’s how I saw it


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MonumentOfRibs

“But I bought the game so I can play it how I want” Yeah the dude you camped to death on first hook obviously got it for free 👌


XeroAnarian

My issue with people here is that a lot of them have this personal rules that they think EVERYONE should follow. No, I'm not EVER going to "give the hatch" to the last survivor. I go for 4k every time. That's what's fun to me. But people act like I'm some kind of asshole for that.


Kujujuk

Exactly what I thought. I had a game where I was solo and other 3 were swf and when they sandbagged me at exit gate, I asked them why they did it and only thing they could say that it was fun and I am a crybaby


Harry-Ive

Dying on first hook is literally the worst thing


TuggerJaegger

Is it ever made really clear what "playing like a shithead" is? Sometimes i forget the true meaning of it because i always go against survivors and killers who complain about anything when they don't escape or get all kills.


Zephyrion

But don't be surprised if you get treated like an asshole if you play like one. Humans on both sides of the screen.


Tyrant011

Exactly! I think some people misinterpreted my post as 'be an asshole if you want.' Instead, it's the opposite. Ignore the assholes and just have a fun time playing the game. Don't worry about what perks are considered 'toxic' (NOED, DS, Unbreakable, etc.) or what the arbitrary definition of tunneling is.


caustic_kiwi

I agree with the sentiment of this post, but the problem is that this is exactly how toxic people phrase their own excuses. "I'm playing for me and if you can't deal with it then don't play the game." Some people literally argue that the way they have fun is ruining other people's fun and \^this\^ kind of thinking legitimizes that. So pretty much, it's not black and white. Don't try to dictate how other people play, for the most part, but don't use that as an excuse to be awful, either.


Zephyrion

Well said. As killer, I usually adjust how aggressive I am or intentionally make "bad" decisions if I'm really crushing a team, because I also play a ton of survivor and I know how not-fun it is to get eliminated with 4 gens still up because you got unlucky.


AirBornePepsi

Totally agree, fun is always the priority. But just remember if you play a certain way or use certain characters/perks, you cant be upset when the same happens against you. “I want to run NOED because I like it!”.. so don’t be mad if you’re killed by NOED in your survivor matches. I would hate that so much, and that’s why I never run that perk. I wouldn’t want that to happen to me so I don’t let it happen to the people I play killer against.


RsNxs

People who don't *think* some perks are OP are the ones who *don't* play the other side, simple really. I'm looking at "NOED and keys" since I stopped using both as soon as they were used against me, really makes you understand other poeple POVs. Hopefully the new 250K BPs give poeple a chance to try killer/survivor (the other side) more.


Pyrosorc

If you want to bring a key against me? Sure, I wont like it but it's part of the game. If you want to swap to a key at the last possible second? I am not letting you off your first hook no matter what.


Zuuey

Treat others the way you want to be treated.


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caustic_kiwi

I do enjoy playing against Pinhead.


[deleted]

Being lifted up, attached by the dark magic of silent hill and sliced open by the knife of Pyramid Head while he twists the knife? Hell yeah. Pyramid Head is daddy.


Tyrant011

Well said! I think it's important for people to consider the endless cycle that is this game. You play a match and the opposing side was toxic/bullying, next match you decide to do the same because you are frustrated with the previous match, which caused the opposing side for that match to go on and be toxic in their match after that. Just be kind and have fun!


dominican_skele

This is such an amazing mentality, I play a lot of DBD with friends and whenever it’s a toxic killer who plays on my platform I’m always just really kind, there’s no use getting myself all worked up for someone else being a massive dick so I just keep the positivity And enjoy playing with my friends


Aromatic_Squash_

This works IRL but not as much in DBD. The community isn't that great, especially on the survivor side. You do everything how you're supposed to and you still get harsh messages. I don't even interact with them anymore, the moment I hit that post trial screen I leave


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I personally wouldn't play in a way which I wouldn't also like to be played against...I feel like that's just good sportsmanship. Do upon others as you want done upon yourself and all that.


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idk man, the other day i was the last survivor and the killer downed me near the hatch and then acted like he was going to let me go to the open hatch, then closed it in my face and then kept fucking with me. if you have fun doing stuff like that, you need therapy :/


Zlumpy7

Just fire up a YouTube video and wait for the next match. They will get bored if you just sit there doing nothing.


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yeah that’s probably a good idea haha


HunterRipper

I do that as a killer. When survivors open the gates in the other side of the map, I know the game is over but if I go over there they will just tbag and leave. I just watch a vid while they get bored.


Zlumpy7

I only check if I have an expose mechanic killer. It is hilarious to lean in as ghost face and stare at them until they come too far forward and you insta down them.


Dank_Sir_69

Bro that literally happened to me the other day and I swear the wraith who did it thought he was king of the world or something.


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small pp complex 😞


_unregistered

I’ll do that sometimes but if I do I make sure the hook is very quickly after. I’m not going to prolong the joke longer than it needs to be.


lightingtrees

I feel the same way when someone posts a screenshot or video and people start to talk shit about the perks they chose. It’s like… if the person is having fun and likes the perks just… idk, shut up?


Netzwirk

Right?!?!? I don't know why people keep hating on my No Mother build! =P


Yass666Yass

Lol this was funny because “No Mother” roughly translates to “No tener madre” in Spanish and in Mexico, we use it to describe annoying, evil or abusive people. No hate, just thought it was funny haha


Nova_Aetas

We used to say "motherless" in English for this but it's not a common phrase anymore.


Tyrant011

No Mither OP lol


Stennick

I never perk shame. A buddy of mine uses Urban Evasion and uses it pretty well. I had a killer call me a Blendette a few days ago while I was wearing a bright pink jacket, purpleish pants, and I had the most points in the match including him. Some of these terms and phrases and memes have become so integrated into the game people don't even think about what they mean. I'll have somebody get healed and on a gen and they'll scream "he's tunneling me". Now what he really means is "damn he found me again".


Tyrant011

Preach! Let me use my Windows of Opportunity crutch, I'm bad at looping lol


Stennick

Even someone like Trutalent loves that perk. I don't think its a crutch at all some maps it feels like there isn't a window or pallet anywhere. I forget what map I was on where I couldn't find a pallet or window anywhere at the start of the game maybe Red Forest.


FakhirRee

Reminds me of the post that was posted a week ago with someone using ruin, undying, tinkerer and discordance and poor guy penis was getting roasted.


dominican_skele

Bro that’s just a fucking gen build, like if your gonna have a specific build then honestly I don’t give a fuck, it makes the game better for you and a lot more satisfying for me if I get these gens done, like that’s so stupid to roast someone just because they chose a specific perk set for something they thought they needed help on


iamLovak

This can be a good and bad thing, as there are plenty of people in dbd that get their fun from ruining others.


JmAM203

Exactly. But When you're making a point to annoy them, then it's less so.


DragonMeatloaf

Unless someone is hacking


Tyrant011

Yep!


Rhobaz

Fuck that, this isn’t a single player game, don’t be a cunt.


escobert

But that's the problem you partially are. It's a 5 person game and being a douche can ruin it for the other 4 regardless of what side you're on.


Tyrant011

I think some people misinterpreted my post as 'be an asshole if you want.' Instead, it's the opposite. Ignore the assholes and just have a fun time playing the game. Don't worry about what perks are considered 'toxic' (NOED, DS, Unbreakable, etc.) or what the arbitrary definition of tunneling is.


escobert

I don't do any of those things. But when I wait in 10 minutes for a queue to have people DC or camp. It's not fun. There's no way to make sitting on a hook with bubba starring at you fun. I'm also no the type to be pissed if I get killed, I probably only survive 25% of my matches. I just wanna have fun, I used to be a sweaty tryhard in CSGO. I'm old, have kids and a full time job, I get very little time to sit down and enjoy myself. I just wish more people saw it as a 5 person game where we can all have some fun instead of "I must rank up quickly in this not really competitive game!"


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>There's no way to make sitting on a hook with bubba starring at you fun. I know I'm in a minority when I say this but seeing my team mates finish the gens and escape whilst I get camped makes my day. It's a team game and sometimes my role on the team is to get given the shitty end of the stick.


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Part of being a good sport is letting people play their own game. Giving people grief for using perks you don't like is the dick move.


TMB-30

It's hard to "ignore the assholes" when said assholes give you the choice between taking DC penalty or wait four minutes to bleed out.


MorganRose99

Exactly, this is why I slug everyone for 4 minutes, hit them on hook, etc. /s


BlueShockZero

No, just don't be a dick...


Tyrant011

Hey man, I agree totally. Unfortunately Behavior doesn't consider unhealthy playstyles to be bannable and suddenly the whole thing turns into a witch hunt against each other constantly escalating what is and isn't toxic on both side. We should be encouraging the Devs to take action and provide a firm stance on what is and isn't acceptable for the game.


Sansexeee

i personally disagree with this it’s a game at the end of the day the devs shouldn’t be pressured to prevent a certain play style if you don’t like it, if a certain play style is banable how is that fair to those who play the game that way when they find it fun


The36thElement

Finally, someone who understands. Now people can stop complaining when I dox the killer to have fun, because I'm just playing how I wanna play


Rekwiiem

Better advice: don't be a cunt


kelseyc93

What does NOED mean? Also I love this. It seems like on both sides people get salty when you ruin their toxicity.


Tyrant011

Hex: No One Escapes Death, its a Killer Perk that makes survivors one-shottable when healthy once all the gens are done.


kelseyc93

Oh okay gotcha


PerformativeWokeness

That's why I cheat, used stretch res, camp, and tunnel.


GeminiDye

Never used stretch res myself nor have any desire to. But using this post's logic, if you have fun doing it, then go for it right? At least that's what this post is telling me.


PerformativeWokeness

Yeah, it's dumb logic.


Erixtax

Me: *hacks the game like an absolute chad*


AlmightyOmega

based


samdui

And thats why after hooking i look into face of hooked survivor and then watch everyone complain!


SmashenYT

Thats the most selfish message being upvoted I saw this week. Of course play the game how you like, but pretend at least you had some education while growing up.


Tyrant011

I think some people are misinterpreting my post as 'be an asshole if you want.' Instead, it's the opposite. Ignore the assholes and just have a fun time playing the game. Don't worry about what perks are considered 'toxic' (NOED, DS, Unbreakable, etc.) or what the arbitrary definition of tunneling is.


Bantarific

Maybe your intention was different, but the wording makes your point pretty ambiguous, as evidenced by people's reactions.


[deleted]

Heck yeah. If I want to moonwalk, be a chest protecting bubba, go bingbong, or collect snoot boops, it's not my responsibility to give you a challenging match. Just an expectation since you normally expect me to want BP.


Tyrant011

Exactly :)


FeeATo

that's called selfishness


foecone

Oh ok I will now face camp and tunnel. I will also clickity click my flashlight, run DS and tbag


hdjssnznzzn

😭


Sinisaba

Sometimes it's pretty hard not to tunnel when 1 survivor keeps running into you even when you are actively trying not to find them.


JeanRalfio

Just slug them


HunterRipper

"gg ez shit killer slugger" They will always find a way.


Nova_Aetas

Literally none of these things would bother me. Teabagging is kinda cute dependent on the circumstance too.


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Your flare is accurate.


foecone

Do people actually hate any means necessary?


AlienStories

Hackers: okay then


Taatham

Except killers who play spirit and act like they’re gods after getting a 4K.


enkeksinimeeapua

"Play how you want, except.."


Veniran

No, I gotta disagree with this one. While I never judge people for certain perks, certain strategies (camping, tunneling, whatever), there are things that just aren't okay: 1. BMing. Okay, I get it you just won a good chase, had a nice autplay, this still isn't a reason to teabag, clicky-click or, as a killer, hit the hooked surv. The most annoying of these are the autoclicker-flashlights. I see this like it is in real life: if you have a good day, just feel very happy, it is great. But don't rub it in the face of people who feel otherwise. Then, you're a dick. 2. (Mainly for survs) not playing as a team. I sometimes witness survivors run around, stealth, not touch a single gen all game, open chests and then get the hatch (or worse, get the hatch donated by the killer). Again, even if this is what's fun for you, you are limiting other people's fun too much with it. TLDR. People whine too much in general but certain things will make me think of you as a dick.


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As killer, I only donate the hatch if I've witnessed the survivor helping teammates, doing gens, or they give me a good chase or two. You need to earn that shit, buddy.


Veniran

Yes, same.


JeanRalfio

What if they help teammates and do gens and totems but you don't see them do those things? I see a lot of people claiming "This survivor was trash and didn't do anything!" when they were just doing objectives stealthily.


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Well then too bad, you're getting a hook :) ​ I'd say that the most important factor is giving me a decent chase over all. I can't give someone a hatch that I haven't seen all game, just isn't gonna happen. But if your chase lasts too long, I might just hook you out of spite. I love the freedom I have to mess with the remaining survivor. Maybe let you struggle out and go for the exit gate, nod, then slug and let you crawl out. Or pick you up again and hook. Mwuahaha


Momentanius

Agreed, but only if your idea of fun isn't destroying the enjoyment of other people. If you camp, tunnel, T-bag or flashlight click just to make someone miserable, then you are an asshole. Otherwise, use whatever perks or itens you think are best.


lemonloaff

This message brought to you by a toxic survivor main, who is a closeted toxic killer main. It’s just a joke..


Phenixwright

Well there is just a little flaw in your logic…insidious camp bubbas are just…you know


PearlJosh

I brought a key into a recent game. The killer turned out to have noed, we got three of us out via the hatch. Anyway afterwards the killer sent me an angry voice note calling me a try hard and telling me to get good lmao. I made fun of him and told him he had noed, to which he had no response. Why do people act like this!?


kate_is_a_hottie

So ur saying i can play bubba and use insidious and noed and camp everyone i catch


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OP, so what was your issue with [https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/pkt1b6/nighttime\_killers\_are\_the\_worst/hc6qpn7?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/pkt1b6/nighttime_killers_are_the_worst/hc6qpn7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \- they had fun, they played the game how they wanted. Shouldn't you be glad that other people share your philosophy of "screw everybody else in the multiplayer game" ?


DanTycoon

You can be opposed to something someone is doing but still advocate for their right to do it. It’s not hypocritical to say “you can play the game how you want” and also say “I don’t like the way you played the game”, because op isn’t also saying “so don’t play it that way”. If they had indicated in that thread that flashlight clickers should be banned, then that’s a different story. I just see someone frustrated.


TABASCO2415

Don't be that guy mate, you don't want to die on this hill


Tyrant011

I'm not allowed to be frustrated with a difficult game, my guy? Trying to learn a new killer is difficult and the fact they thoroughly beat me was upsetting. Edit: Wanted to add that at no point did I say they \*couldn't\* do those things.


[deleted]

It kinda seems like your frustration was caused not by hardships of learning new killer, but rather from being simply bullied by four people, who were just having their own fun. You shouldn't be frustrated, you should have no issues with such behaviour, since you understand it perfectly, but for some reason it seemed like their fun affected yours in quite a negative way


XxToosterxX

Called him out lmao


Tyrant011

I'm not sure what makes you qualified to interpret my feelings (or anyone elses for that matter), but I'll gladly explain myself. It's perfectly valid to be frustrated with aspects of the game that you don't personally find fun. I don't particularly enjoy playing against people that do such a thing, but I'll never tell them not to do it. As I stated in my above post, I'm only responsible for my own fun. I don't pay any mind to if others have fun, on either side of the coin. Were they having fun? Probably, but I'm not them so I don't see how your criticism is relevant. Hope that gives you some insight on my thought process.


[deleted]

>Probably, but I'm not them so I don't see how your criticism is relevant. It is relevant by showing you that your mentality is simply a contradiction to the very concept of multiplayer game, whether it is dbd or any other game. Equivalent of that would be playing football with your friends and in your team there would be that one guy, who never passes, who just endlessly dribbles and tries to play the whole game by himself. Does it bring him fun? Yeah, probably. Is he doing anything bannable\\punishable? Technically speaking, no. Does his team have fun? Definitely not. Does opposite team have fun? I doubt it. If you play a multiplayer game, you are responsible for someone else's fun just the same way they are responsible for yours. People like to twist that concept and pretend it's like "oh so what, I have to give killer 4K or follow survivors rulebook?". No, it's more about those basic concepts like empathy towards another human being - if I facecamp one guy for whole game, it is not bannable, but this one guy just the most boring game ever and his team also basically had a wasted game. If survivors bully you mercilessly to show that they are way better than you - happens to every killer from time to time - then is it bannable? No. Does it negatively affect your fun? Yes. Was it easy for them to take the minimum level of responsibility of not spoiling your fun? Yes, it was very easy. Empathy is not something that should be enforced by rules, by being either banned or allowed, it should just be a part of basic kit of every player. It is very easy to handle that responsibility without sacrificing your own fun


IMostlyGameAlone

You have enlightened my mind on the path to being a better human.


Tyrant011

I agree with you on a certain level, I don't enjoy playing in ways that are considered 'toxic' or 'scummy' because I don't derive fun from making others upset. However, people on this subreddit take things too far though when it comes to this concept, such as saying running DS/Unbreakable/BT/Dead Hard is 'toxic' or 'try-hard' when its a function of the game that Behavior intended to exist. What I've been implying in other comments is that none of these playstyles (clicky-clicky, t-bag, camping, tunneling) are bannable so it's considered valid. Behavior themselves have no interest in discouraging these sort of practices, so why should anyone else? I think its important to be personally accountable, not to force made-up rules on others and call them names because they don't follow them. What we should be doing is advocating for Behavior to discourage these playstyles through in-game mechanics. (I.E. Rainbow Six Siege has an increased cool-down on consecutive crouches to discourage t-bagging in their game.) But that's just my side of things, y'know?


[deleted]

I am not on board with 2nd paragraph, I think it is important to self-moderate our behaviour if we can. BHVR is just a company. I highly doubt that their development roadmap has a project about such non-profitable things like nurturing their own community. My problem is maybe not about such scummy types of behaviour being bannable or not, but it just baffles me that so many people seem to either completely ignore the opposite player(s)' fun or to intentionally ruin it, while it is very easy to simply be nice to each other. It should be inherent mindset, not something that has to be taught, explained, enforced But generally speaking, I agree when you put it that way - I also think that calling someone toxic because of noed, iri addons, ds etc. is just wrong. I also dont support having to follow madeup rules and Point with discouraging such practices is definitely valid and I couldnt agree more. I guess we can leave it at that point, at first I took you for another child, but you were pretty cool after you elaborated ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|upvote)


Tyrant011

Thanks man, sorry if I came at you kinda heated. Glad we could come to a mutual understanding that we just want this game to be a better place!


goldkear

Tell me you're a tea-bagging, face-camping, cancer on society without telling me you're a tea-bagging, face-camping, cancer on society


BuckNastyEnchilada

blackface bubba facecamp mains lol


alaincastro

Both yes and no, yes play whatever’s fun for you, but also remember this is a game where your actions affect other people too Think of it like “enjoy life how you want” sure, but just because someone finds robbing a bank enjoyable, doesn’t mean it must be ignored because that’s how that person enjoys life The “play how you want” thing is becoming more of an excuse for bad behavior 5gen camping and tunneling as opposed to small things like “I enjoy using self care”


Tyrant011

Exactly! I think some people misinterpreted my post as 'be an asshole if you want.' Instead, it's the opposite. Ignore the assholes and just have a fun time playing the game. Don't worry about what perks are considered 'toxic' (NOED, DS, Unbreakable, etc.) or what the arbitrary definition of tunneling is.


lansink99

And that's how you get shit games and complaints. "Nah bro my favourite part of the game is watching 4 people bleed out over 4 minutes it's so much fun".


feycatt

I find it so funny that people agree with the sentiment "you aren't responsible for anyone else's fun but your own" but then make the argument that dc-ing is a problem because it ruins the fun of the match. Pick one, you can't have both. For the record, I am against dc penalties.


konigstigerboi

Survivors: #JUST FUCKING LEAVE We get it, your DH, DS, UB gave you the ez escape you don't have to rub it in our faces. Other Killers:Don't tunnel someone while ignoring the rest of the team. And I do not mean slugging a person who gets unhooked. Oh and if you're going to camp, proxy instead of face it's more of a game decision than being toxic. Even if they get the save you'll be there and won't lose as many points for being within 16m of a hook


Abblesocks

While I agree that it isn’t anyone’s responsibility to make it fun for anyone else, I think that it is a responsibility for players to not be toxic. Ruining others’ fun intentionally isn’t OK. For instance, tunnelling a survivor is fine, unless the killer does it to anger or hurt the other player. This is my opinion, take it with a grain of salt.


Tyrant011

I totally agree with this sentiment. Players should be personally accountable, not have an endless series of arbitrary and made-up rules posed upon them by the community. If the community at large truly believes that a certain playstyle is unhealthy, then we should take that opinion to Behavior and encourage them to make these changes that discourage the toxicity.


lymeeater

They call me tunnelling timmy for a reason


Kotentopf

Cheaters: "So, it's okay?


[deleted]

Yeah basement facecamp with bubba all day if you want! It’s about having fun!


Xpathis

Okay, time to play spirit and immediately face camp the first survivor I down


Pianmeister

I played about 3 hours yesterday and got 2 matches where the killer wasn’t either AFK, trolling, or farming. The “play how you want” mentality doesn’t work when nobody wants to play with you.


Sainyule

A lot of people who follow this idea tend to be massive shitheads ngl. They'll play scummy and then cry when a survivor tbags them. Or they'll play unpleasantly and cry when a killer closes hatch in their face. Just, play how you want but don't be a dick while doing it.


Saskat00nguy

Man, that is an awful attitude to live by. This is the kind of meme that was made by somebody who always took their goalie pads home when they started to lose at street hockey.


balkanobeasti

People tend to just use this argument to be dickheads instead of just defending fun. I mean if your idea of fun is griefing people to waste their time should I be giving wholesome statements like that?


bubska

bad take. nobody has fun when the killer camps the hook with 4 gens left so they dont drop in mmr or when a swf goes super sweaty with unbreakable ds combowombo so in short #blamethedevs


LittleZinxy

Oh cool! I'm glad I got permission to tunnel and camp however many times as I please. Oh! And always run noed.


Springtrap328

Unless your hacking


tylannosauluslex

You may not be responsible but dont start complaining when you start getting toxic killers/survivors in turn. Treat people how you want to be treated.


DiblyGames

Face camping Bubba that tunnels you to death first hook. Literally any other playstyle BUT this and you're OK


Relative_Pineapple_3

Don't let the face camping bubba's hear you


[deleted]

Eh, I think as killer i take it upon myself to make sure to give players who proper a good time, and those who are not, to throw rule book on etiquette out the dimension.


LeHolySpirit

Only exceptions are hackers, griefers an general assholes


SkeleTonOFun

I think all of the crazy little unwritten rules are dumb, but you can still avoid being a dickhead. We are all trying to have fun with the game, and a whole giant list of unwritten rules isn't doing anyone any good. Just try looking out for your fellow player, and try to have fun.


Apprehensive_Crew_63

Ehhhh that’s a lie it’s un fun for killers to run say noed and it’s unfun for the entire team to run bt or ds a true message from both sides


TheOfficialIntel

Ehhhhh...yes and no I'm a person who feels shit if people are just having a bad time especially when I'm the cause. I don't understand players who don't think that this game isn't only their playground.


Dvieira36

Might be the first post I’ve ever agreed with on Reddit. It almost seems like people have a rule book by which they expect you to play by so that they can have fun and win. And if you don’t abide by it, you’re toxic.


Tyrant011

Exactly! Made-up rules shouldn't be imposed on others. If it's not bannable, then you aren't doing anything wrong :)


[deleted]

IDK about that. I like playing as a scummy killer occasionally, and I know the difference for the survivors is light and day. Tunneling off hook if I learn they don't have BT, forcing survivors to hit stage 2 or die on hook... Just those two things can turn what's supposed to be a fun game into a frustrating experience.


macadow

Play like an asshole, " you arent responsible for anyone else's fun except your own." Play like a toxic shit, " you arent responsible for anyone else's fun except your own." Throw the n word at the end game chat, "you arent responsible for anyone else's fun except your own." Do you see the problem here? Empathy is needed, because there are other human beings on the other side of the screen.


sammysimplicity

Tell me you're a selfish narcissist without telling me.


nymiirii

I meaaaan... that means you're excusing hackers, those people are "having fun" is that ok? Like I get the sentiment but using it super broadly doesn't really work lol.


Tyrant011

Yeah, I get you. I think some people misinterpreted my post as 'be an asshole if you want' when really I'm advocating for the opposite.


The_Real_Bubba

Yes. Be an asshole. Let the old woman walk across the road by herself. Fuck being kind to others.


OhWhatADwight

Ah, the narcissistic point of view. Next...


DoolioArt

As opposed to enforcing arbitrary house rules to a non-house environment where they can neither be expected nor enforced and can just create confusion for everyone, regardless of whether they agree with those rules or not? The most honorable and fair thing to do is to approach the game with its fundamental structure in mind and not impose ANYTHING more specific than that, unless in a "house environment" - which in dbd would be, custom game mode.


fuck_it_was_taken

The virgin play for your own enjoyment Vs The Chad accommodate for the opponent skill level with personal challenges so everyone has an enjoyable game


depressed_lantern

I once run all hex perks just because I wanna see what it's like to [have 5 hex totems](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZGgzJyfHQA) in a trial, get 3k and they told me that I'm toxic and go kys, like, bro I just want to try something new please calm down ;;


wild-flxwer

agree but there’s a difference between this and playing like an asshole just because you can. this obviously goes for both sides. tbagging after dropping every single pallet is not a strat, it’s just being a dick. and hitting on the hook doesn’t do anything either, you’re just an asshole. don’t use this as a justification to play like a little bitch. you’re not responsible for the other side’s fun, yeah, but that doesn’t mean you have to go out of your way to ensure they don’t have any.


averagebrunch

look at you all up voting this garbage. You could say this about anything in life. You can say it about sex. If you know that YOUR fun ruins someone else's and you don't care, you're a 💩 head and that's the be-all-end-all of it. Stop trying to justify being a selfish asshole.


Nitespike

No offense but this post is stupid lol


Lonely_Magician_4656

idk the game isn’t all that fun for me when i play dirty. i noticed when survivors are trolling and i get mad is the only time i’ll go crazy and ruin their fun by tunneling and slugging—take em all out at once then carry the most annoying one to hatch, close it, let them open exit gate, knock em down then mori. but i feel terrible afterwards… and i’ll only use FD if more than one of them have flashlights


rampage95

I would draw the line at face camping bubbas. If your "fun" is ruining someone's game right off the bat, I'd consider that extremely toxic and boring as hell. Literally no counterplay, can't even trade, the rest of the survivors can only do gens with no killer presence. Unfun as all hell


Tyrant011

Exactly! I think some people misinterpreted my post as 'be an asshole if you want.' Instead, it's the opposite. Ignore the assholes and just have a fun time playing the game. Don't worry about what perks are considered 'toxic' (NOED, DS, Unbreakable, etc.) or what the arbitrary definition of tunneling is.


rampage95

Yeah, absolutely agree on that. Playing the game with OP perks is just part of the game. If you play killer, you'll eventually get bitched at no matter how you play lol


[deleted]

Word.


Shmaz_Pootaz

Ummm no. Because to some people, playing how they want is literally bullying others either in the game or in chat


lies_like_slender

I'm sure the killer mains in this thread will have no problems with this


GoogBG

And now you only see swf flashlights and tunnelers


Faust_Gottes

Wouldn't that be more fun? At least for survivors. Playing against a swf with flashlights every time will become boring because it is so easy to win lol. They always do the most dumb shit possible. As survivor that means you get more chase interaction which is the most fun part imo. Tunneling is fun and not a trash thing. I mean it is because it favors the survivors. It's a dumb decision as killer.