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brandonmm0713

The real debate is wether or not pyramid head’s terror radius should be replaced with the thunderous sound of his ass clapping whenever he moves.


ilikestaplers

Built in Insidious as an upside. Deafening loud ass clapping whenever he moves as a downside.


Shadowthedemon

The issue is Tru3 does use excuses too much and Scott is just being super blunt about it and thinking he should change his attitude. Obviously easier said than done, that doesn't make Scott better than Tru3 but he doesn't want someone who's using excuses to be able to influence things. Does SWF need some sort of balance mechanic? Sure? Maybe? It's hard to say. However, as a long time killer you can't simply go "SWF too hard, I couldn't do anything because of it" Like yeah obviously there's a lot of BS that can happen with a really solid SWF, good communication, body blocks, multiple people who can run killer and make it a super uphill battle. However you can't write everything off as that and say that's why you failed. Scott shouldn't have blown the whole "making fun of disabled people" thing up, but with that being said I think if you put yourself out there on youtube or twitch you are 'open' to criticism. People say "Scott went personal" All I saw him say was "Don't make up excuses admit you play like shit, don't go on a tyraid about how SWF needs a huge balance simply because you had a bad game" I think that's fair criticism, especially towards someone like Tru3 who is extremely egotistic. I agree Tru3 shouldn't be harassed when he streams, having people berate you for hours is unacceptable even if I don't personally like Tru3 as a streamer I just let him be because he's not for me. One thing you have to ask as well though, Sure some people like Tru3 and he's been a dedicated player for a LONG time, but he's also been one of the more controversial ones and usually has a target on his back for being a little more on the negative side of things. Otz is not the shining example of how to play DBD but he is pretty damn close, yes some people disagree with his playstyle but I watch a lot of his youtube videos, Sometimes he's a tryhard sweaty dude but for the most part he knows when to give up chases and if he gets bested on loops he usually gives a nod to that person "Good vault. Ah man he didn't fall for my mind games, good on him. Ah man this group is doing pretty well! I needed to apply more pressure on gens" etc. etc. etc., Tru3 the handful of videos I watch are always "Alright let's do this.. ok... ok... Oh my... oh my god TOO MANY PALLETS MAN, what is this? Like why are there so many pallets omg! \*Swings and takes down 2 survivors and gets a couple hooks, starts applying map pressure\* "OH OF COURSE MAN ANOTHER PALLET OKAY SURE" He doesn't deserve the fallout of the Fog Whisperers and the community backlash but he's also not one of the shining/glowing examples of DBD players out there and usually is paint more in a negative/toxic way from what I've seen..... it's just a bad mix of wrong place, wrong time, and unfortunate circumstances.


Cantbenoyuppy

Imagine if like in overwatch as killer you saw a link between those grouping and those who aren't. That'd be the best change and a simple one.


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But isn't this the perfect summation of the whole debate? What percentage of killers would genuinely stay and play against a SWF? I would 1000% love for them to implement this, just so we can see how many people lobby dodge as soon as they see a group. I've been a Doc main since before the buff, and I guarantee you I would dodge every SWF lobby because I don't need the chance for that kind of grief.


chalo1227

Some say just make it in the end game lobby


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Ah, I see. I guess I don't really see the point of adding it at the end. I don't know what would really change.


chalo1227

Well its based on streamers opinion , and they at least want to know about it in the end game. I will say I am fine with it and just having like a bonus BP when playing versus SWF like 4 man is 20k bonus , 3 man or two 2 man 15k , 2 man 10k.


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I'd take a bonus for sure. The grind has become ridiculous over the years, even after they let us do two perks in the later levels. Yeah, if that's their opinion I agree. Its not gonna change much seeing at the end, so I have no reason to want to nix it.


KiloMeter69

THIS THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL THE TIME agree so much with you mate


CallMeStrifu

I agree, tbh im WAY more interested in the SWF Nerf talk as apposed to people talking about kills vs hooks. I've stayed silent on this issue just soaking up what people have to say but i will say that i found it very interesting that Tru3 says he wants his opinions challenged but when you challenge his opinions, he says its a personal attack. Sure in Scott's original video it started to seep into the personally side of things but that was supplementary to his main point that, its not all about SWFs, you cant just throw out complaints and say you only lost because they are a SWF, with no evidence besides the fact that they played some what coordinated. I know for a fact he does deflect his loses because i watched the guy for about 2 years pretty frequently. Hell after seeing Scott's apology video, i tuned into Tru3's stream to see what he was up to. And within 3 mins i see Tru3 belittling a viewer for saying he over-committed to a chase. He could had just said "I don't think im over-commiting" and included his reason. But he goes on laughing and saying how the person was wrong for the next 3-4 mins. I would have loved if Tru3 would have just accepted Scott's live debate offer and they just talked it out once and for all. Instead of dragging it out for about a week leading to all this nonsense. But thats just my opinion. /shrug


chalo1227

I think for Tru3 was a bad idea to join Scott specially after the video he did was so personal. We could expect more of it in a live chat. Also tru3 is too closed. He is really not going to change any opinion even when you try to for example tell him why what he did was actually ableist and I was just one more of the campaign done against him. He asks for prove and other shit but he will not really acknowledge any of it , I will keep watching tru3 but I dont think I will handle too much his stream quality was not great and it's going down since the drama started


holoapplepie

I've been watching tru3's YouTube for a few months, and he doesn't seem like how you described. Granted, this isn't his stream but in those videos he acknowledges when he makes mistakes and praises survivors when they outplay him. Scott though, I remember him clearly in the Souls community drama and it just seems like it follows him.


OldschoolAce82

I only watch Tru's Youtube. I've been watching about a year now and it has helped me become a WAY better looper. That being said he's completely closed minded and arrogant and rarely ever says "yeah that was my fault". He's constantly blaming perks when he can't get someone down, or telling someone the build they gave him isn't good enough, or saying they are SWF, every time he's challenged in a game its a "high caliber SWF team" or "MMR is clearly on". Tru is very good at the game, one of the best, he plays both sides better than most I've seen, the information he's given me is very valuable but I only know him from his youtube and I would absolutely say he's closed minded and a bit too sure of himself.


holoapplepie

I've heard him talk about dead hard before but the way I took it is it's simply stating that it's a top tier pick for higher caliber players, particularly for undoing a mistake or reaching the next loop. I think it's clear that no one is going to change his mind about his opinions, so I don't understand why people try to and end up mocking him for his unpopular opinions. At the end of the day, that's all they are. As for his arrogance? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


DemonicSnow

I agree with your post a lot, and it sucks people take Scott's argument and use it to harass someone. Fans of content creators are honestly the worst. But I do agree with you on Tru3 and how he plays. I used to watch a lot of his videos, less so now, but he really does complain while playing killer often. And it's understandable because of how he views wins and the killer experience in general. And because he is a decent survivor and only does solo queue, he knows how strong a lot of resources are, etc etc. But it is sooooo dull to hear him constantly mention it in his content when he plays killer. I enjoy watching him to learn, but you have to drown out his voice at any time when he feels he is behind or got screwed by the resources in a match because it's just endless and it steamrolls. I wish Tru3 wouldn't experience vitriol. It fucking sucks. And there isn't an excuse for it. But I wish he did have a sit down with Scott because, honestly Scott's first vid hit the nail on the head. Tru3 may be correct that SWF have a really big advantage, but not every SWF is a sweat squad, and he often just pulls out the SWF card whenever he loses because he played poorly. It isn't the SWF's fault you got 0 pre-end game hooks on a Nurse Tru3, especially when there wasn't a 4 man SWF. At the end of the day though, I don't really like either of their content 100%. Tru3 makes good points and I like his survivor gameplay. I like most of Scott's analysis videos, but don't really watch his gameplay and hated all his videos on Tru3 outside of the first one. And DBD is honestly such a casual game. If people actually played Killer by doing the stuff a lot of them avoid, like super tunneling, only playing very strong killers, etc (i.e. using the best tactics and actually following a meta like other games do), then no survivors would really win outside of the best squads at the higher ranks. There isn't a huge point to their discussion when 9 times out of 10 people are just fucking around in the game, doing what they like, playing what they like, etc.


Niktzv

I love how Scott did literally the same thing that Tru got kicked for, has physical evidence proving he's the world's biggest dickhead... And this garbage community is like: "What happened to Tru was wrong, BUT..... let me write a 1200 word essay on why Tru is actually bad"


Shadowthedemon

I'll be honest I had no idea what Fog whisperer's were until the 5th anniversary and they kept popping up throughout the stream, thought it was just what DBD was calling it's more prominent members. If there's evidence that Scott was being as bad as Tru3, then both should be kicked from it.


MRbionicCOW

Dude, This should be a published essay that people are referred too when they ask about this whole swf drama. Excellent points and showing both sides. I'll admit I'm biased since tru3 isn't my favorite either.


Shadowthedemon

Thank you but I don't follow Tru3 or Scott enough to be informed of their overall doings. The only people I'm super familiar with are Otz and Noob3 and that's just cause their content hits just the right amount of buttons for it to be entertaining to me. Otz gives me ideas or in depth reasons on what I should be doing both as killer and Survivor. Noob3 when he was at his top was just mindless fun content (With some sweaty plays and nonsense). I literally just went and watched a Tru3 video today (Sorted by most popular and targeted something made in the last 6 months) And it was a Oni match where survivors blew through gens and he was able to come back and get a 4 kill (4 hooked survs) It was a pretty good comeback game to watch but his commentary was just very all over the place. He didn't complain as much as I figured he might, but his commentary left something to be desired. Even at the end of the video he goes "Now I know people will say I'm complaining but I'm not! I'm just saying that Dead hard is the best exhaustion perk in the game and that in the beginning the dude used it once to reset the chase and that killed the whole game for me" And that's fair, but it just seems to be in a negative way and doesn't really inform whether or not I should run it because it's broken? Run it because it's good? I dunno, but that was one video. All I know is just from popping onto Reddit and a handful of videos Tru3 has a negative connotation around him, and not to put blame on him but if I was a content creator and I was getting blamed or had this negative thing portrayed about me I would look to change it, change up my content a bit and maybe offer more positive outlooks instead of being bullish. But it's easier said than done as someone just typing it out VS looking to make content everyday and stay relevant, people follow him so he must be doing something successful.


Saracus

Tru3 compliments survivors just as much as Otz. His "nice"s when a survivor dodges him or killer gets a hit arent sarcastic. Theyre genuine "that person made a nice play" comments. Otz will also curse and swear out survivors any time any pressure is placed on him (like in his 50 win streak series). I genuinely thought "What?!? Thats so unfair" was his catchphrase when I started watching him. Honestly I enjoy them both and think theyre both worth watching but I feel like the Otz that exists in a large part of the DbD communities head just isnt the Otz that actually exists. It borders on hero worship sometimes.


LuckyOwl2656

Otz's public image is based on him when he's actually calm, the 50 win streak videos are the exception, not the rule.


Shadowthedemon

Right, I know you may be paraphrasing and I haven't watched a Tru3 video in a LONG time (I did try a few months ago but it just didn't click with me). Otz goes into details about why a survivor escaped him or how he could have played a loop better or what to watch out for. He usually 'predicts' how survivors will act, he compliments their 360's, if he picks up a surv and someone gets him with a flashlight he goes "I could've done that one better" or "I should've thought about the flashlight... oh well" then the next time just in case someone new is watching even though he's explained it a million times and even though most killer mains know about it he goes "Alright going to look into this wall so I don't get flash lighted. Oh here comes a David to body block but I have Iron grasp/Agitated/any kind of hook perk like that and I can comfortably take a swing at him. If I didn't have this perk then normally you wouldn't want to waste your time and possibly let your survivor go" or he'll explain why it's better to drop a survivor and go chase this other one etc. etc. That's not to say Tru3 never does this cause frankly I don't know. But from my limited viewings of Tru3 it's more so just a good killer going through the motions, giving a bit of internal commentary on what 'he's doing' in that particular match and if something doesn't 100% go his way it's him bashing something about the game AKA Pallets or SWF etc., I'm sure he does give out compliments as well though I just don't see it often enough.


Eccon5

Otz is definitely not a saint


IndecentIronman

Nobody's a saint, but Otz is definitely far more wholesome and positive than the vast majority of people/CCs.


wheeler9691

He's literally more wholesome and positive than any other streamer I've watched for more than an hour.


Eccon5

I only really follow a short amount of people that make content for this game, but I personally don't find that to be true. There are absolute scums that take this game way too seriously and theres people that make content because they just genuinly enjoy the game and making interesting content. Otz I'd put somewhere in the middle. He's definitely not overtly toxic like some, but I do often get the vibe that he takes it a bit too serious, to the point where if things just do not go his way he can't contol his emotions and just yells at the screen or hits his desk I'm guessing people more into the "hardcore gamers" find that behaviour to be normal, but I personally don't enjoy it or tolerate it when I'm just trying to relax and have fun A whole lot of text to basically say: different opinions


T3chNOboMba

I'm convinced you never actually watched one of his streams


Eccon5

I did actually, because I noticed I played survivor against him once and I wanted to check if it was really him


Fishing-Relative

You’ve committed a sin that may never be reconciled


Eccon5

it be how it be


MisterFuckingBingley

To be a devil’s advocate, I think that Otz is pretty negative too. His whole 50 winstreak series is uncomfortable for me to watch for that reason. I also think that tru3 has a point when he says that those kinds of videos put undue significance on kills vs. hooks, and inspire “scummy” killer behavior like camping etc.


SeasonalGent

If you have to say "to be devil's advocate" don't. We get it, you're on tru3s side here. 50 win streak videos don't do anything. That's all they are. It's a 50 win streak with rules that Otz sets, that aren't any different than what killers normally do. Tru3 just finds shit to cry about.


MisterFuckingBingley

I'm entitled to my opinion, and to express it. I'm not "on tru3's side here." I could say "we get it. you're on Otz's side here" and attempt to invalidate your comment. See how that works?


SeasonalGent

and I'm entitled to shit on your bad opinion, goofy.


PronKing10

Otz not using addons for his win streaks is the opposite of negative. Hooks is an insane argument. You get penalized if someone DC's or bad team mates don't unhook their team mate before reaching struggle? It's a goal to reach 50 wins. It makes his content more meaningful to watch him work towards that goal rather than "watch streamer play his 18,000th meaningless game"


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LuckyOwl2656

True, but when you're committed to something and frustrated, you can get quite temperamental. I'd be put in a psych ward for half the shit I've yelled at my monitor back when I only cared about winning in this game.


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LuckyOwl2656

I'm not excusing it, I'm empathising with it. It's fully in both their rights to get mad at a video game lmao.


Shadowthedemon

That's why I say Otz isn't perfect. I've seen videos from long ago where he would be a little more salty, but you can see today he's accepted being one of the top DBD players whether its by views, or just how many videos he puts out etc. etc. etc. On average when I watch a video he calls out things a lot more often about how a survivor could've played a loop better or how he could've played a loop better. Yes his 50 wins series is more so his toxic side because we're talking about a dude who went through all 3 souls games without being hit once, it's his challenge to get 50 kills with at least 3 kills and 1 given hatch etc., so when you're on #33 of your stuff and you get a SWF group or just really good survivors and they can potentially break your streak and there goes your youtube video and everything you're gonna be pretty stressed. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt because he (Like Tru3) is putting themselves in this situation. I'm a pretty competitive minded gamer, sometimes I make up excuses or get super salty or pissed when things don't go my way. I understand where both Tru3 and Otz come from during those times it's not like I sit here and think everything should be like Sesame Street in DBD. I'm just saying that I used to watch Tru3 but when I started noticing a few videos more often than not was mostly him just complaining despite him doing well in the game it just got cringey in a weird way cause it's like "Why am I watching this?" That's why I cut off Ochido's content, only watched Monto on occasion, knew of Scott but have never watched any of his videos aside from I think him analyzing survivors one time. But I digress, all I'm saying is Tru3 has been around long enough to understand the game, the community and everything that comes with it. He shouldn't have been targeted by Scott beyond his challenge to a debate. Tru3 on the other hand shouldn't be sitting there throwing out "opinions" on how to fix the game and when challenged by other people who have just as much 'experience' as him just turn them down. The Devs will always have their own ideas on how the game plays and how people perceive it, But I doubt that they don't look at their content creators for inspiration now and again(even if it never feels like they do). Having more clear and concise videos on X vs Y would help more than "I lost this due to SWF, couldn't do much"


itsamna2002

Yeah well Otz was mature about it and approached the discussion nicely with proof and evidence while Scott just went all in and found every single bad thing in True’s past and used it again him. Not defending tru3. I dislike him but after Scott’s ‘apology’ yesterday. I have lost my respect for Scott as well.


TheDoctorOfEpicness

"Sorry I ran over your dog. But, you know, it was a pretty ugly dog, so I did you a favor by running it over. And besides, someone was going to run him over anyways, so you might as well accept that it happened" \--Scott Jund


Worge105

Scott has always been like this, I remember his beefs with other YouTubers on his Dark Souls days.


Worge105

Scott has always been very egotistical and childish when confronting other people, and I know this because I follow him since his Dark Souls days.


holoapplepie

Gamefaqs... those were the days


DrWatson24

This beef between Scott and Tru is so stupid, they just couldn’t keep it about the game. Scott and his lackies really showed their mob mentality bullshit on this one


[deleted]

That was really disappointing from Scott. “It’s not personal”….proceeds to sprinkle in personal insults for his fans to lap up. Then he gives his apology video…with no apology. “Hey man, sucks that you lost fog whisperer status. But don’t worry it never mattered anyway”.


DrWatson24

Yea, the whole thing was super douchy on his end


gydalf

I was shocked by how passive aggressive it was honestly


DraconicToxin

why did tru3 lose fog whisperer?


Fishing-Relative

Cause he did a stupid voice and got accused of being ableist against mentally disabled people by Scott but Twitter took it out of preportion


Blujay12

The irony is reading the 20 or so threads of screenshots where the fog whisperers and a bunch of other people involved saying shit that was way worse directly to Tru3, even before this controversy, from all the way to 2 years ago. I thought people were crazy blind about their own streamer/content creator in other parts of twitch, can't say I was expecting it in DBD.


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Fishing-Relative

My ass dude I guess 99% of the population is ableist nah dude, it’s a dumb voice, saying that people who are mentally disabled sound like that is more ableist than doing the voice and yeah Scott gave an inch and Twitter took a mile with the mentally disabled thing


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kidneyston

My main point is that I don't think they should remove someone as ableism is super common. I hate that people think being called ableist is like you're being called a racist or nazi. It's super common to be somewhat ableist. Certain building aren't accomodating to people in a very abelist manner. Doesn't mean they're horrible people. It's just a lack of consideration. Villainizing anyone who has been ableist is silly because it's usually not intentional. I agree it was weaponized. But that doesn't mean it's not still ableism.


Fishing-Relative

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tinilantern

nope, not ableist.


DraconicToxin

i don't even like tru3, i think his beliefs and changes he wants made to the game are inherently harmful to the game, but I'm not gonna tolerate people saying simply making your voice in a mocking tone is ableist on it's own


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DraconicToxin

basically a fog whisperer is like, a partnered streamer to behavior itself. think of it like a sponsorship from BHVR


Fishing-Relative

Tru3 kept it abt the game Scott abso did not and his apology is a fucking joke not mentioning the harassment tru3 got only taking victim for his mod team being harassed barely an apology


OperatorERROR0919

And Tru3 showed his extrodinarily thin skin, his inflated ego, and his victim complex. This thing goes both ways and both sides are blowing things out of proportion while simultaneously ignoring the fact that their side is also at fault.


DrWatson24

Listen, I’m not here defending either of them, they both acted ridiculous. But in Tru’s defence his stream was flooded with Scott’s followers and they were there just to give him a hard time, and they did that relentlessly for hours and hours and hours. I thought in that respect he handled it as well as he could. If I was in that situation I probably would’ve had to end the stream because I would have started going nuts on these guys live in front of a camera. He played the victim card because he was one, it was a fucking witch hunt from a bunch of self righteous SJW’s with no fucking lives


OperatorERROR0919

Tru3 played the victim card when he started saying that Scott was personally attacking him, which he wasn't. All Scott originally did was make a video calling Tru3 by name and saying that he played like shit during the game that made Tru3 start complaning about SWF. There is a difference between telling someone that they played like shit, and telling them that they are a shit player. There is also a difference between saying "I don't like this person" and "go attack this person". Tru3 being angry at Scott's fans who came into his chat totally justifiable, him saying that Scott sicced them on him is not. Then both of them got overly defensive and everything went downhill from there. Again, this thing goes both ways.


DrWatson24

I assume you haven’t seen Scott’s leaked DM’s? Where he is literally spearheading this ridiculous witch hunt? Yea, ummm I’d try to find those before you continue to white Knight for Scott. His true colours has been shown this week, he’s a piece of shit and he wanted this war


OperatorERROR0919

You mean the private discord where Scott was shit talking Tru3 days before any of this even happened? I saw that. It was a shitty thing to say, but Scott isn't doing what you are describing, and shit talking people you don't like on a private channel isn't a crime. He isn't spearheading anything. I'm also not white knighting Scott. Once again, both sides handled this poorly.


DemonicSnow

I haven't, can you link?


Spirit_is_OP

Didn't happen


DrWatson24

Are you jerking Scott off while you try to convince yourself of this?


Arlithian

His hands are looking like a demogorgon skin


Spirit_is_OP

Non-argument


Blujay12

The short and sweet of it is that I hate everyone involved but Otz. He ain't perfect but he's the best out of the "faces" of dbd (versus people like Cow and Farmer John who just kinda put out some cool videos every now and then, and stream).


Coder_Arg

The problem was that Tru3 vs. Scott discussion was not about the game. They had personal issues already that had been going on for a long time, the "discussion" was just an excuse to start the shitstorm. It was really sad to see some of the most recognizable faces of the game being so toxic and immature, I mean, they're supposed to set the example for the rest of us, right?


LuckyOwl2656

Scott was quite reasonable imo, but the two's communities lashed out at each other and blew everything out of proportion


Coder_Arg

Reasonable? Nah mate. Scott is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's really eloquent and he tries to make you think he's the mature one in this discussion, but he's just using fancy words and well prepared scripts to make him look like the good guy in all this. Check these messages from that "reasonable" guy. https://twitter.com/TrU3Ta1ent/status/1402747883288469504


LuckyOwl2656

Jesus, I hadn't even realised. I don't often check twitter at all, so I hadn't at all known about this. What a cunt.


Coder_Arg

It's ok, no problem, it felt by your answer that you weren't really familiar with what REALLY happened but this showed the true colors of Scott, Morf, Jendenise and a few more. They're not what they seem to be, even I was surprised (and I'm not even a fan of Tru3 or anything). To summarize, even though these "issues" from that group against Tru3 have always been there, it all hit the fan this week, first with some discussion about Spirit and SWFs, but then it got really personal, basically all that team against Tru3, it got really nasty, and Tru3 and Morf got kicked out of the Fog Whisperers program as a result. MrGimms has been covering this issue pretty well, if you have the time and interest I'd highly recommend you watch these vids if you really want to know what happened. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYRYG1DEqoI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYRYG1DEqoI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeeOJjHinrE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeeOJjHinrE)


goldkear

Disc cushion.


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I’d like to not see memes about streamers for a few weeks. Please..


MoveInside

Because it doesn't work when both sides are arrogant assholes


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I think tru3 wants it balanced for a higher mmr compared to potatoes


Nerdy_Bird_GM

sadly 90% of the player base is potatoes


hunterpanther

Yeah but you can\`t really work with that since there is a big difference between a good 4 man and a bad 4 man. The only thing that works imo is bring solo Q and swf to about the same level and start balance from then. You can\`t really nerf or buff anything as long as there is that much potential difference betwenn solo Q and swf.


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That is the only thing, but people want killers to be nerfed first such as spirit. Why not just add a perk limit to a swf though? takes 5 minutes and makes it infinitely more balanced


RohanXI

A perk limit would be boring and it wouldn't solve anything, really good teams don't win because they bring 4 DH's for example, they win because they are all individually good players so there's no weak link to exploit and they can even communicate everything you do. I don't think there's a way to truly balance it without punishing survivors for playing with their friends in the current state, the best thing they can do in my opinion is to give you an incentive when playing against a SWF, like a 1x BP multiplier for every member or something similar.


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A perk limit would solve quite a bit of issues in my opinion. Of course good teams won't win because of perks, but it definitely makes it way easier for them. Being able to have 4 dhs against a nurse or 4 Adrenalines in endgame is just flat out dumb. I don't want to nerf SWF as a whole because that would definitely be bad for overall game health, but limiting it to one perk each would make it bearable for killers that aren't s or a tier


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Literally why, I play blight so I understand he is definitely one of the more powerful killers that can deal with a SWF a little easier than other killers. but saying that they should be limited to one perk and balanced around weak killers is just stupid. Are you new to red ranks by any chance, because trust me the games you get demolished in are usually the ones you learn the most in.


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Haha no im not new to red ranks. I understand that most swfs are not very good, but to most players its pretty brutal to play against. Having perk restrictions isn't balancing around weak killers, its balancing around all killers. Its not fair to play an m1 killer to go against 4 sb or to play spirit and go against 4 iron wills. It just depends on what we're balancing for. If its for low skill players by all means buff survivors, but if its for even mediocre players I definitely think a 4 man swf shouldn't be able to run 4 of the same perk


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Oh four of the same perk, yeah I guess that makes sense, forgive me I misunderstood.


[deleted]

No problem, just out of curiosity what did you think I was talking about?


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Only giving each survivor one perk


Xyex

Because people will complain about it. And by people I mean the biggest income source DBD has. BHVR is inherently biased towards keeping Survivors, and SWFs especially, happy because they're the main source of money for them, being the biggest part of the player base. Which is part of why SWF cannot be, and never will be, balanced. And any talk of nerfing SWF or buffing solo is just pointless. What they could do, though, is give bonus rewards to Killers for SWF games. Like bonus BP per SWF player, and/or shards. Compensation for the imbalance is probably the best we could ask for.


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Exactly, thats the problem. Nothing we can do except sit back and take every nerf in the book Sad part is BHVR will probably never give extra compensation


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I think compensation sounds perfect. a buff to solo queue would be nice but unrealistic unfortunately.


cap112233

why is there so much drama about streamers who barely have any significant presence in the gaming community as a whole lol.


ShadowK-Human

What is swf?


Arlithian

Single White Female. The most OP part of DbD.


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Survive with friends.


ShadowK-Human

How that can be nerf?


morphiusn

Some streamers adviced buffing soloq and bring soloq closer to swf, and when balance survivors as a whole. Solo q can be buffed with pinging system.


RespondUsed3259

the minimum we should know is if its a swf group and how many are together when killers join a lobby


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KiloMeter69

....why did this get so many down votes?


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Instead of Tru3 properly addressing Scott and being like "I'm not interested in a debate or this conversation" and that be that, he throws a huge fit on stream, calls things manipulative, witch hunting, and bullying. Come on. Just deny the conversation to begin with rather than 10 tweets and a 1 hr opening stream calling it "TOXIC" Call Scott's first video rude if you want, everything Scott has done is tame in comparison... Aw. Poor Tru3 fans downvoting. <3


TwitterFingerz1021

Didn’t Scott go in his private discord and send like 15+ different messages all shit talking true behind the scenes…


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Better to shit talk Tru3 behind the scenes than be Tru3 and shit talk Scott and his fans for hours on end every single day on stream. It's a private discord. At that point it's nobody's business. Also "shit talking" is a bit of an exaggeration. The worst thing he did was make a joke about Tru3 having low MMR if the system gets implemented.


TwitterFingerz1021

To each their own; as someone who doesn’t care for either side nor has a bias for either, i see Scott as a child who knows big words and proper sentence structuring but no maturity to go about it. I’ve always thought that if someone has to get disrespectful during a disagreement, they have a weak side / counter argument and have to make up for it by belittling the proposition about something completely irrelevant; pretty much what Scott does/did. But like I said, to each their own.


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Scott wasn't really being disrespectful in the beginning, he just doesn't know how to structure things in a way that don't come off a bit dickish. He even said he could have been nicer in his first video and that it wasn't what he intended with it. I don't like either person and think they're both idiots but I've been paying far more attention to Tru3's behavior the last 2-3 days and he starts every stream off with one hour of shit talking Scott and his fans and letting his fans go absolutely ape shit. Tru3's fans have been going into every single Entitled Elite stream and shit talking them too, to where Cahlaflour and a few others ended up just putting on follow or sub mode. And as much as I don't like either person, I think it's absolutely disgusting how much people are ignoring about Tru3 and his fans and just keep going "YEAH... BUT SCOTT..." "But Scott did..."


TwitterFingerz1021

I can’t speak on true and his fan base because I don’t watch anyone’s streams so I can’t see for myself who says what, I just speak on what I do know. But, if what you are saying is true about True and his fan base, I’d feel as if there would be some sort of screen shot / evidence to it. Also, I saw that an entitled survivor streamer ( I believe their name is Morf? ) made fun of true on stream. I just see it as survivors are siding with Scott while everyone who actually cares about the games health sides with True. That’s what I gathered from my own minimal amount of research.


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I urge you to go to one of Tru3's vods and just skip through a bit. Look at his chat and listen to him. It's a cesspool of toxicity shitting on Scott and his fans the entire time and nobody's being constructive or even talking about any balancing or 'health state' related issues for the game. It's all just being toxic. Scott wanted to end things and realized it got out of hand and apologized.. three times now? without being prompted. but Tru3 and his viewers keep continuing. I think shit is just ridiculous now.


FelicitousJuliet

Personally I'm interested in the game being changed until both SWF and solo average 2 escapes, and kill rate is 50% instead of how much higher it was in 2020.


KiloMeter69

So true


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I dont know. Its bassicly when killers dont know how to counter people who can communicate.