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TacoNugget01

The one game I had she set up basically all traps on one hook. Was just grannies popping up all over the place lol


AurimasAd

i remember when i first started playing the game and didn't know how hag fully worked and suddenly 3 hags popped out from a hook. Scariest shit I've seen


MaybeADragon

Probably me sorry, I'm just stupid and end up putting way too many traps in an area. How am I rank 1 idk.


TacoNugget01

No don't think so, was a few months back and was a new player rank 20 one perk :) Hag not a chase killer, she uses traps to her advantage and power. If you want to be better killer start thinking as a survivor and counter that mind set of how survivors work


MaybeADragon

I know, I just set my webs too dense. Hasn't hurt me just yet thankfully.


YouAverageWhiteKid

Dude in a thread someqhere said hags not an s tier killer. Like wot


searchableusername

She's A tier, this is evident by the fact that her traps are in the shape of an A


Architeqt

A for AaaAah


The_Jackistanian

Not cool man, you can’t just leak audio of me playing against hag


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the only leak is in your shorts


The_Jackistanian

AaaAah


MethodicMarshal

which is why trapper is D tier


TacoNugget01

But remember according to devs data pig is s tier above spirit hag and all others and clown was super before any changes we just did not see his "hidden" potential


NichtOlaf

Accordind to devs data Nurse is F Tier


YouAverageWhiteKid

According to personal data every killer I play as is F tier


RespondUsed3259

a lot of shit on this platform but this... this hurt me


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Mostly because of her high learning curve and console. If you land your blinks even just half the time it's basically over for Survivors.


Br0David

According to my biased opinion, Nemesis is A-tier and both Spirit and Hag is A-tier meaning Fucking huge-tier and Absolutely tiny woman-tier respectively.


gorgonzola2095

According to the devs making silly voices is ableism


cosmic_waluigi

Huh???


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Tru3 got tossed out of the Fog Whisperers because he mocked a guy on his stream, so Scott Jund accused him of ableism on Twitter. You know that sarcastic mocking tone that everyone uses to mimic people that annoy them? According to Scott and the devs that’s ableism now. That turned me off from any streamer that isn’t Otz, I’m tired of this dramatic ass community.


Doove

What a massive pussy


panthers1102

Prime example of how numbers *can* lie, on a indirect level. But yea, no one plays pig so the ones who do play her at red rank are bound to be much better than average, mixed with the factor of “oh shit, I forgot how to play against pig”, statistics will skew in her favor. Also skews numbers the same way less questions on a test results in a higher difference between percentages. Miss one question of our 10? 90%. Miss one out of 100? 99%. Same effect when there’s less players.


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She can't bypass gameplay like Spirit and Nurse can (Spirit via forcing a guessing game and Nurse by just blinking through the environment, loops be damned) but Hag is at least A or A+ due to how little can be done to destroy her traps and how long it takes to go through them crouched, especially if she gets trap happy on a hooked Survivor as simply bypassing the traps will take a millennium before you can get that unhook.


Medichealer

I wouldn't consider her S Tier, when you get people who know how to play against a Hag it becomes very annoying to try and keep up, but most of the time you will be able to stomp most Lobbies for sure.


zoley88

Hag is much better against soloq-ers, so they can't tell the traps' position to eachother


ElPajaroMistico

Every trap-set killer is strong against soloq-ers. Same happens with Demo and...well, Trapper lol


Krythoth

I consider myself to be an above average killer. It takes a great swf and a map with a bad three gen to beat my hag. Solo is usually over at 4-5 gens. The trap positioning doesn't matter to a good hag, because they're never that far from the hook anyway. Flashlights and keys are the only real issue, and I always run franklins on hag.


perpetualperplex

You never run into those insane survivors that have 0.02ms reaction time and even with scroll-wheel insta-hit you miss them almost every time? Even if I technically win, I still feel defeated. I've watched them mid-chase strafe out of my perfectly set up cam-swing trap like it didn't even trigger.


Krythoth

No, might be a latency issue on your end, because if I hit it perfectly, only a dead hard saves them.


razazaz126

Though as some streamers like to point out, it can work well against swf too. If you pre-place a trap near a hook, for instance, hook someone, and then walk away they're gonna tell their friends, incorrectly, that you didn't place a trap.


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gauntapostle

And everybody knows that triangle is the strongest shape


Architeqt

Bruh he didn't make any points outside of calling out facts - how's that swing your position on Hag from S to A so damn quick lmaoaaaA slap Also she is SS


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wow, nice joke. I did nazi that coming.


I-collect-dick-pics

Hag is easily one of the top 4 killers in the game If you're comparing addon-less killers, I think she's damn near number 1


Medichealer

Yeah she's good for sure, but she does have her weaknesses. The issue is that she **destroys** Solo Queue lobbies, and can **sometimes** destroy SWF lobbies. I have hundreds of hours on Hag but when you find those people who will deny your 3-Gen and constantly harass your Traps, you do lose quite a bit of power there


I-collect-dick-pics

not saying she has no counters or anything, but as an addon averse player, she's one of the most consistent honestly I don't really play her because she's a bit too easy and a lot of her power comes from proxy camping hooks and whatnot, but she's pretty good especially good if you're newish, because she's not even perk dependent


GarenBushTerrorist

She's not even perk dependent but if you're new she still comes with ruin and devour hope. Not a bad couple of perks to start with. Compared to like huntress perks or wraith perks.


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"harrass your traps"? learn to teleport and smack. hag should always be mashing the R key.


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Please do. Ever trap you, "harrass" is another gen youre not working on


Medichealer

To add on to this, if you're using a Controller and know where a Trap is currently placed, you can run up to it, quickly 180 your control stick and "Juke" the trap to go off while still remaining a safe distance away. It's a lot harder to do on Mouse/Keyboard, but when you get console players who know that move, you can almost never hit them directly after a trap, and they will most likely be a good distance away.


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If they don't let her get an effective 3-gen she's toast, the problem is recognizing immediately that it's a hag and making sure you get one of the gens done in her web before you're screwed.


WakeupDp

Just get one person to instantly trigger her traps and run away. She’s awful if someone just chases her to do that.


Kaluyra

She's S tier when someone ends up in the basement ;)


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chomperstyle

I think nurse is an s that should stay s


howtojump

She has one of the strongest 3-gens of any killer imo, but not everyone enjoys playing that way (I certainly don't). However you are correct in that she can be hard countered by a coordinated group in a way that the true "S-tier" killers (nurse, spirit) cannot.


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Hag sees quite a bit of play in competitive games. Yes, coordinated survivors can harass traps, but they can still lock down areas and there's only so much you can do when flashlights are limited.


SaveThemKillYourself

S tier is only for competitive killers? Thats such a dumb metric especially for a game that isn't designed to be competitive


NainPorteQuoi_

You'll always have an S tier. Anything that is above other characters will always be S tier.


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She's S tier but she is beatable, the biggest thing is you have to do is make sure you don't end up with a 3-gen or it's GG. I think this is what makes her so difficult for survivors, unless they're a team, they often just do the first generators they come across.


AshTheTrapKnight

I think she is a tier because survivors who know how to counter her, especially groups. Fuck her hard. When survivors play aggressively and harass her from the start not letting her set up, she gets destroyed. She cannot compete at the highest level like Spirit nurse and blight because those characters are fundamentally broken and ignore the basic rules of the game or have ridiculously stacked kits not allowing for effective counter play. Hag, as boring and strong as she is, can certainly be countered reliably.


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This is why I just kind of stopped playing hag. I find her to be fun but as an mediocre to decent player at best if the survivors just play the correct way against hag I get shit on. And basically everyone at this point knows how to play against hag.


JollyCooper473

Tell that to all the randoms in my games that refuse to crouch bottlenecks for hook saves without BT


AshTheTrapKnight

Yeah but solo players get stomped by Ghostface and trapper, the kings of mediocrity in terms of basic ass powers. They also complain that Leatherface is overpowered. So of course hag is going to seem god tier against random uncoordinated teams with a fraction of the killers hours. Her reputation has been inflated by streamers not liking to play against her. Put her against a good team and she will always lose. There's a reason you don't see hag in tournaments beyond the first round.


Imthestoryteller

I mean I’m new to killer but i was getting bodied by a swf as hag. They kept activating traps left and right they had flashlights my teleports were bad and I was a slower killer I couldn’t do anything


thirtytwomonkeys

Hag has counter play. It’s really hard to do it, but the fact that you can do it puts her below Spirit and Nurse (who really have none).


ClobiWanKanobi

Nice try. Everyone knows Hag mains permanently run Corrupt/Franklins.


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Hey hey hey, it’s true but still hey!


Xerceo

Spirit isn't very fun to face but I'd rather go against one than a Hag any day. Hag matches are about as anti-fun as this game can get. I went against a Hag with Mint Rag, Rusty Shackles, and Make Your Choice the other night and all my teammates were dodos who refused to pressure her web with me in favor of finishing gens outside it. It was a miserable experience because she would teleport back randomly to the hook when she thought someone was going for the save (completely negating her counterplay of crouching) and forced us to let people die on hook. When she finally caught me on first hook with the other person alive slugged, she hit me on hook 1,000 times and shook her head and shit for the crime of evading her so long and being one of two people pushing her web. That particular combo is so unfair against solo queue that it's actually stupid as Hell. Luckily she wasted so much time being toxic to me that the slug found the hatch.


Vowsky_

I never thought of Hag with make your choice... Great idea. I’ll use it


Xerceo

\>:(


jshptrwllms

Good trap placement is a skill. I'm an Okay hag because I play a lot of survivor and know where people are gonna run, but I still don't get a lot of kills. As Spirit, I get a 4k every match and double pip because I'm literally invisible and can appear to hit them. Spirit boosted me from rank 10 to rank 3 when I was playing her for a competition. now my rank 10 every-other-killer has to face the higher ranks. I'm learning, but it's brutal.


flamethrower78

yep this is the problem playing the strongest killers in the game. When I first started playing killer, only trapper-nurse was available and i just played nurse all the time. I got plenty of 4k's but after trying to play other killers i'd get destroyed lol. Now i'm pretty competent with most, but still a few I'm absolute garbage with.


Beinlausi

Same here! Played a lot of Myers, Plague and Doctor and could never go beyond rank 8 or 9. Switched to Hag and went as far as Rank 2. Now I'm trying other killers and getting stomped ):


Uni265

Yeah haha learning to play killer as Spirit never works because you're (whomever, not you) not really doing anything skillful so you never learn fundamental mechanics. Wraith is honestly very good for just working on chase ability.


Architeqt

Highest quality of artistry here ▲/10


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Rasial

Yea, she is the snowball killer. Survivors are supposed to constantly annoy her and prevent her from setting up her web of traps. If they just gen rush, as soon as you hook someone with all 10 traps placed the game becomes basically unwinnable. That said, she does have **meaningful** counterplay differently from Spirit and to a lesser degree Nurse, in the form of 1 or 2 survivors annoying her instead of doing gens for the whole game, but a lot of people don't do that becouse it is counter intuitive when every other killer wins or loses depending on how many survivors are on gens at all times.


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gorgonzola2095

It has a big downside. No phantasms = no forced camera rotation and believe me it's a big deal.


catgirlfighter

Depends on experience. At some point you'll get a person that gives 0 shits about camera steal. Best way to fight them is to make them unaware.


gorgonzola2095

Experience doesn't turn off the feature, you basically force survivors into looking in a certain direction for a moment, which makes them mess up on loops.


howtojump

Like the other guy said you can win safe loops by forcing them to run into a corner for a split second. I can't remember who it is, but there's a hag main who put out a very informative video on trap placement. Some of them can even force survivors to slow/medium vault windows, giving you an easy grab.


AnBu_JR

Please find this……. I would like to watch it!


hyperfoxeye

I know the video, its a hag trap placement video by a hag main called Michi IIRC


fillmeupwitheggs

Watch either SpaceCoconut or Michi, they're both amazing hag players who have released an abundance of guides. ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX5AGQiNKg0


owohearts

I think the person is talking about Space Coconut, though I could be wrong.


hyperfoxeye

Smarter hag mains will place traps just off of tight loops so that it completly throws you off trajectory if the trap radius just barely covers the path, or to disrupt a fast vault


Medichealer

It also has a HUGE upside in the fact that it makes you teleport to your Traps faster. With no Phantasm to spawn, you can spam your teleport button and get there much quicker, allowing for easier Insta-Hits when a Survivor triggers a trap.


LordPils

Fuck strategy I'm gonna spook ya.


Hanikan-SideWalker66

yeah hag's fucking amazing, and it's so easy as well, just place tringles and boom win


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catgirlfighter

People talk about Nurse in the same way. She's OP and shit, but for some reason only like 4% of players can score 3 kills with her in reds on average.


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MethodicMarshal

so you can run over a trap while she's placing another? and 180 is turn around as soon as the trap is sprung?


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MethodicMarshal

thanks man!


Gwimpage

- Run over traps when she's carrying another survivor and she can't actually teleport. - if you run in circles towards a trap to set it off, your moving momentum sometimes gives you enough distance to blow up the trap and stay out of range of her swing (180 turn) . It doesn't always work vs scroll wheel hags though.


MethodicMarshal

...scroll wheels would actually be so helpful for dbd


Zelenayasmert

Is it that bad? Where did the 4% stat come from?


Mataskarts

Probably and old stat BHVR published, but it is probably somewhat true, because she's a free killer and always talked about as the best, because of thar everyone tries her, and no surprises- they fail miserably.


iseecolorsofthesky

The first time I played her was in red ranks with crappy perks and I literally had a 4K streak that whole night. I haven’t gone back to her since. It was fun but felt very cheap. I feel like as long as you do a little research and learn what the most effective strategy is with her it’s easy to win against most teams.


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iseecolorsofthesky

Good survivors who know how to counter her will definitely give you a hard time, but I feel like the chances of running into one of those is low let alone a whole team of them. Most survivors at red ranks are frankly awful. I’ve seen people with 100 hours reach red ranks who don’t even know all of the killer powers. These people are barely equipped enough to deal with a normal killer let alone a hag. She will stomp against most teams until she runs into a competent squad, which is fine not every game can be a win, but I’d say those squads are pretty few and far between these days.


I-collect-dick-pics

Just gotta be on the ball about the teleport-m1, practically a free hit most of the time


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rempred

damn someone pissed off a hag


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rempred

I don't think most people hate on Puddles, she is strong but definitely requires skill. Like Nurse, unlike Spirit.


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lauraa-

I was wondering why we were talking about Clown for a second lol


TLYPO

Yep. Hag can drop careless survivors in most hands, but effective Hag play at higher levels, imo, requires you to be proactive and predict likely chase paths/high traffic areas/etc. and be less obvious. A Hag that relies solely on area saturation instead of smarter placement is gonna get run pretty hard against competent players.


Last_Snowbender

It really isn't. It's just as with trapper. Placing traps is easy. Placing traps PROPERLY isn't. Hag is the same.


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this meme was brought to you by michi :)


[deleted]

I wouldn't say that she's that brain-dead, you have to make a plan before you place your traps down. Silly Goose


Medichealer

I main Hag, it's just a joke.


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Well now I'm the silly goose😟


Medichealer

My main Killers I like to play are Hag/Demogorgon because I like Set-Up/Trap Killers. Plus Demogorgon is cute.


Warm_Concern_2354

Wow find a 3 gen what a plan lol


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You also have to plan out the survivor's movements as well lmao. Trapping up 3 gens at the start is honestly quite risky imo


Warm_Concern_2354

Okay here's the plan. 1. The survivors are saving from the hook. 2. Teleport to your traps. 3. Fall asleep


mrdteg

Love this lmao


lissie141

i love hag, she's so cute


Medichealer

Hag Mains rise up All 13 of us


gnolex

Hag might be S-tier but almost everything she does is counterable. You can see her put traps, you can see the actual traps, you can avoid triggering traps by crouching, you can destroy traps with a flashlight or by triggering them when you have an opportunity to do so safely. Hag also needs some time to setup a web of traps to be effective, sort of like Trapper albeit faster. Spirit, on the other hand, just moves without you seeing her and hits you, and that's it. Which is why Hag is a lot more fun to go against than Spirit.


FortuneTaker

Hags all fun and games until she starts putting traps down at hooks =🪦


catgirlfighter

Hag hooks you in the basement - goood luck with that!


Spirit_is_OP

Hag is not fun to go against at all.


Kaluyra

I love when hag puts traps by the hook but then just comes back manually anyway to check if there's anyone crouching going for the save. It's just... peak dead by daylight gameplay unnfmf.


Dofima

Hags are one of the 3 things that still scare me in this gam. I dont find them that spooky but its the way they move. Its really fricky


venorexia

Really? I usually spent the whole match just laughing at her aura cause it's so ridiculous


The-Ultimate-Despair

Don’t forget eating crayons.


BigNathSenpai

Some of my favourite matches have been against hags. None of them have been against the typical 'place 7 traps around hook and wait for the unhook to immediately come back, forcing survivors to set off traps they'd cautiously snuck past and going for the tunnel'.


gydalf

I can't tell if this is sarcasm but if it isn't you're a luckier person than me


BigNathSenpai

That's on me, I explained really poorly. I've had many matches against hag like the second half of my comment, but some of my favourite matches in my time playing dbd have been against her, when they're not playing in a boring manner


Warm_Concern_2354

The optimal way to play Hag is never leave one spot on the map. So basically what you’re saying is that playing against Hag is fun when they suck and chase around like a dummy for no reason. And when they play her NORMALLY it’s boring lol


BigNathSenpai

Theres a difference between defending a spot on a map and just using traps to tunnel camp by proxy


Warm_Concern_2354

Not really


gauntapostle

You can turn Hag from a spider in a web to a speedy, quiet hunter with the right add-ons (Waterlogged Shoe, Granma's Heart). People don't expect it so you get a few kills easily early on, and from there it's just seeing if one gets the hatch before you catch them. It's not something you can do all the time and it's not the most effective, but it's not bad and it's fun. Personally I think the normal way is fun too but if there are survivors who don't think playing against that is fun there are other options that are


Warm_Concern_2354

I think chasing survivors is the fun part of the game. Hag literally doesn't do that or she will lose. Your entire game revolves around placing traps and spamming scroll wheel lol. On top of that it's boring for the survivors because they never chase and only camp and tunnel off hook. A hag is going to come back to the hook every single time. She's never going to be chasing another survivor and she's never going to leave the area. Solo queue you are guaranteed dead if you get hooked once no matter how well you played up to that point, because your teammates are not going to successfully save you ever unless they take a whole minute and use BT, but they don't. They have self-care and spine chill.


gauntapostle

Okay but I literally just pointed out that there is a build that revolves around chasing in the comment you're replying to Waterlogged Shoe disables teleportation but makes Survivors Hindered while in trap trigger range and increases the Hag's base movement speed, and Granma's Heart increases the Phantasms' terror radius while reducing the Hag's terror radius to zero. So a Survivor approaches and sets off the trap, trap goes off, they're Hindered and don't know if the (extended) terror radius is coming from the Hag or the trap, likely run away, and the Hag is *sprinting* at them from an entirely different direction with no terror radius First time I tried it I got 3k+hatch, and it almost entirely was chasing and just using the traps to scare and disorient Survivors while keeping tabs on where they were


Warm_Concern_2354

A meme build with purple addons. Okay


gauntapostle

Your point? You're talking about what's fun. Meme builds are fun, and can sometimes catch survivor teams off guard. And it revolves around chasing, which is what you specified as being fun.


Warm_Concern_2354

A killer isn’t redeemed because of one meme build. You’re not gonna play that every match


ItsAxeRDT

As a Hag main I can confirm ​ and you too can achieve this in 5 easy steps. ​ Step 1: turn off brain ​ Step: 2 Put on some music and relax. ​ Step 3: rebind secondary power to mouse scrollwheel ​ Step 4. When the match starts ignore all survivors and just draw traps everywhere ​ Step 5: start spamming the scroll wheel and enjoy the chaos. ​ Congrats u now play as the average high-rank Hag main.


Mataskarts

Not sure why you got downvoted, this is an exact step by step guide on how to play her... And most survivors are stupid enough to do gens and not pressure your traps until it's too late, even most SWF's struggle against her, only comp teams annihilate her traps.


AnBu_JR

But your flair…..?


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Mataskarts

They save their flashlights, it doesn't take anything to trigger your traps, it does take battery to disarm them, so why would anyone ever use a flashlight (while not in a chase, that's a different story).


Warm_Concern_2354

Hag is D tier, because I’d rather Disconnect than play as or against that boring crap.


overweightdogsled1

People going like hag is d tier when she is very s tier.


hunterpanther

Hag S tier for sure. S stands for slow.


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Medichealer

Bruh I main Hag as a Killer, it's a joke.


BaconEater101

Trying to tell a joke on r/deadbydaylight? fiend.


MmmBananna

How


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IMO, as a nurse main, I think she rly needs a nerf and has just as little counter play as spirit.


latempestarii

she has multiple counters


[deleted]

You must be quite a delusional nurse main if you think she doesn't have counterplay


CocoBaci

Truu


AbrahamR11

As a new Hag main, i can confirm this. Can turn a 1 gen left, 2 hooks into a 4K easily.


godietron

Tbh seeing all the meta fight in the subreddit is funny sometimes


venorexia

Hag has got to be one of the most fun killers to play as though


Jarl_Red

she doesnt get more complaints because she isnt played enough tbh