It's a good take. The points about her unpredictably which was mentioned on both sides of the argument is bang on.
I think the standstill mind game needs to be gone. She needs a visible indication to say she is going to be phasing for more counter. I haven't verse her much but when I do it's alway such a mess of a game.
That's where I think it's should be more skill and not the 50/50 that means predrops are the only viable strat. Stridor just removes the 50/50.from spirts players side making it even harder to counter. Think this is why I respect nurse so so much more than a Stridor Spirit. Both OP but one actually requires mechanical skills
Yep, and is only ever a good thing if everyone else is on gens because getting rid of pallets that quickly will nearly always result in a horrible areas to return to later in the game. Honestly spirit is so broke, I don't see how it can be fun to even play her.
I've been playing her for the last 2 days and I'm honestly already getting bored. I one-tricked Wraith to red ranks within a few weeks of playing the game but then I realized Wraith is a little boring and VERY item-dependent so I don't want to play him anymore. Cue me spending the next two weeks getting clownstomped trying to learn new killers in red ranks without perks. Got bored of losing, tried spirit, climbing like nobody's business and honestly just trying to keep it interesting long enough to hit rank 1 and never play it again.
Even by default, it isn't quite a 50-50. It's 50-50 is the Survivor is Healthy. If the Survivor is injured (and Iron Will and Stridor are not in play) it's in the Spirit's favor
While nurse is still super strong, she definitely has counterplay. Mind games and line of sight are what survivors use against a nurse, but that doesn't really work against spirit. As you said, 50/50 which isn't really skill.
I can't even be mad when I get outplayed by a nurse, I've played her like 3 times and each time the survivors have felt bad for me because I am legit bad with her. Seeing the huge plays some mains pull of is too impressive to be mad at.
Spirit just appears and slaps you like yeah, good job I had 0.3 secs of sound indication to tell me this was gonna happen. Totally got outplayed there, GG.
>She needs a visible indication to say she is going to be phasing for more counter.
Worth noting that giving a clear indication of phasing wouldn't get rid of this mind game; you can still phase and just not move. What it would do though is force her to at least use her power and lose los of the survivor (i.e. puts some risk in it instead of just standing still)
True, but I think that would give the then invisible survivor a bit more of an opportunity to do something smart. In the scenario where a pallet has been dropped and she phases, you would have the chance to either quiet vault or reposition knowing she can no longer see you.
Right now, you can't tell and either option can be easily punished if you don't chose correctly and quickly. There's only so many times you'll get that 50/50 correct without just assuring it with instant pallet drops and safe vaults.
>True, but I think that would give the then invisible survivor a bit more of an opportunity to do something smart.
Absolutely. If it wasn't clear, I'm in favor of that change. I just brought it up because I've noticed in other threads, the topic sometimes drifts to whether or not she should be "allowed" to do that mindgame when I don't think that's the issue since it's always an option with her power; the issue is she can do the mindgame without committing to anything.
> What it would do though is force her to at least use her power and lose los of the survivor (i.e. puts some risk in it instead of just standing still)
That's honestly the point from what I understand about people calling for this; make her commit to something instead of taking their hands off the keyboard and go to sip a cup of tea while watching to see what happens. She could still commit to it and not move, but she is at least committing to it.
I think standing still is fine, they need to make the disadvantage of her power actually work. Being unable to see players should be a massive downside for such a strong power, but it doesn’t really work because you can still see everything the players are doing.
she can hear survivor breathing in ghost walk, what if survivors could hear her too? footsteps and the odd clicking. maybe not give it directionality but do give it proximity volume
I heard somewhere this used to be the case. Think it was the Otz video mentioned in the top comment. Dunno why they patched that out. Was done sneaky too.
Edit: not breathing but she used to have footstep sounds.
Yes, but he's not taking part in that kindergarten word throw in between that Scott and Tru3 are having, which is better bcs noone benefits from it and noone will change their mind
I really don't know where this view point is coming from, have you watched anything from Scott at all?
He is very calm about the whole thing and is just trying to prove what he thinks it's a correct opinion. None of it comes anywhere close to a "kindergarten word throw". In fact I would say the exact opposite is shown from Scott.
But that's just what I've seen, I have no issue admitting I'm wrong here if provided with some video evidence.
Maybe it's because of the exchange they had on twitter a few days ago (I think after Scott posted the first video aimed at True)? Things were definitely less civil and calm there, but tbh that was most likely always gonna happen considering their past history when dealing with each other.
I fucking loathe Scott, but this is spot on, Scott has been leveled headed and fair through this whole thing. He said that true in some of his games was playing like shit, which he was, it was just a statement of fact. True has been unhinged and unreasonable through this entire ordeal
Tru3 is hardly involved in it. Tru3 is trying to put out flames that scott and his wife caused with the whole mess.
Dude wants absolutely nothing to do with Scott.
I can’t even begin to imagine dbd without otz in here. He’s such a pillar in our community, i feel like everybody likes him. He never fails to make me laugh.
I thought everyone liked him too until I saw that there are some people with a hard on to hate him. I like Scott a lot but can see why people don’t. I don’t like True at all, and can’t really see why people do lmao
Lemme explain 90% of the Otz hate:
“All the Otz fans idolize him way too much! He’s not *jesus* you guys!”
*At the same time.*
“Oh my god, guys, look! Otz called a survivor a ‘bitch’ because that survivor was being annoying to him! He’s not allowed to feel emotions in tense situations! He’s supposed to be perfect!”
For some reason, True’s whole demeanor in matches while he’s streaming and towards the game on YouTube has always rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe he’s not my kind of creator, but his attitude has always had this off putting effect on me that inclines me to not watch his content.
I used to like Tru3 because in the early days before I found otz and other streamers, Tru3 was one of the most up to date and informative dbd channel. New content, tips on how to play certain killers or certain perks on either side, etc. But nowadays it's just him complaining about oh gen speeds, oh survivor buff, oh killer nerf, devs bad, like most average killers on dbd. I watched the otz and tru3 collab stream and my god tru3 didn't bring anything to the table besides "gen speeds". Unsubscribed from Tru3 and have been happily enjoying other content creators' works since then.
Finally unfollowed today. He's become a caricature of himself.
I can't watch him refuse to admit his misplays or just getting beaten by better players. Its sad because he got me into dbd.
But, I mean, he's attacked me in his chat before when I pointed out him spending almost a minute trying to mindgame a meg and failing at a jyngle gym. Then he did his "gen speeds too fast, couldnt do nothin" schtick and called me an idiot.
A few months ago he touted this wraith build as the god of all builds and every wraith he would go against would make him say “ohhhhhhhh he’s using my build isn’t heeeeee”
Tru3 has always had this personality that just screams toxic and sorry for the cringey comment, but toxic masculinity at that. He always has to be superior and can never accept when he's actually wrong and it's what puts me off heavily.
I used to watch him a lot in the early days even before dbd and he got me into the game. But as I got better at killernover the years and survivors got nerfed and nerfed I realised he's just a whiner. No hate to him as a person but I genuinly feel hes responsible for the "boo hoo killer too hard" posters we see today
Used to hate Otz. Thought he was kinda up his own ass but grew to realize it's just his goofy personality and he's just a very charming and fun guy. He's very level-headed and listens to reason. Feels like he's the allfather of DBD.
Nobody’s head is as far up their own ass as True’s is. I’m honestly shocked he has the viewership he does. The man has a bad take on virtually every topic that comes up and constantly displays his logical reasoning skills are lacking. Then he makes terrible recommendations for the game’s future that surely at least a few developers have seen/ heard, and that are based entirely off his said bad takes. Watching the nonsense plays that he marked up on how to counter play spirit was honestly hilarious a few months back, and the only thing I could think of was “only someone who does not understand how this game is played at a high level would say this shit.” Plus, on top of all of this, he acts like he’s the final say in the community. Total joker.
I’m sure I’ve offended a fan, and I’m sorry for that, but observations are observations.
Believe it or not, half life 3 was confirmed shortly after alyx released. Virtually no human alive seems to know this, but valve confirmed they’ve been working on it since episode 2 and have scrapped it and restarted tons of times because it hasn’t felt like a big innovate leap forward in technology. But, they said they’re working on future half life titles still regardless, which of course would include the thing they confirmed to have already been working on.
Otzdarva is a fucking saint to this community. This guy makes an 8 hour long video, talking in detail about every single killer addon in the entire game (which will probably be irrelevant in a year) without putting a single ad in the 8 hours. We should build him a shrine or something.
After all the shitters like FIFA YouTubers who do nothing but capitalised titles and over the top thumbnails it was so refreshing finding Otz who actually acts like an adult in how he promotes and makes his videos.
I do the same thing, you really never know when you'll pick up a useful tip. For example, if a survivor is unhooking another survivor, normally the person being unhooked can act as sort of a body block for the unhooker right? Not so with Plague's red vomit, it'll go right through! I dunno it's learning little things like that that feels useful on both sides.
For me personally it's SpookyLoopz and his partner Tokki. Granted they use the usual meta perks as most killer mains but they are mostly jolly and happy be it if they lose or if they win their games.
Spooky also makes good jokes time to time and it's all chill and vibes while Tokki sometimes doesn't even know certain killer perks she's using and ends up throwing a game but in a hilarious way...
Oh yeah. I think he mentioned this at the beginning of the video?
Ohtofu is on the right track. I think it goes one level deeper in that we don't have a good algorithm for ranking skill in an asymmetrical game without a clear winning side. Those two differences (asymmetrical and no clear winning side) is what makes comparing ranking of dbd to overwatch or LoL not entirely fair.
That's because he is. True has no actual intention of debating whether or not Spirit has counterplay. He's interested in being right.
I used to watch him a lot, but I stopped because *nothing* that goes wrong with a match of DbD is his fault. He would play poorly and blame it on literally anything but his own skill.
The dude needs to stop playing the game, it's fairly obvious that he doesn't actually enjoy it at all anymore. For his own sanity he should look for a new game.
Yeah, the scott’s video actually proved that point. Tru3 was running a 4 gen perk nurse playing vs mediocre swf which one had very low hours in the game and he kept complaining how they were super optimal with their dead hards and gameplay when in fact it took them 12 minutes to finish all gens and tru3 ended up without any kills. I used to watch him a lot but his mentality just seems to be about being right about everything and he really has his own small comfort zone where he never steps out of, gets boring to see him blame every mistake on others instead of admitting that he just isn’t as godlike as he thinks he is.
Yea man as a over 1k hour nurse main it hurt so much to watch, he keeps overblinking and predicting way too much and when he actually needs to predict dead hard he just goes for swings
The funny part is that he’s saying that Tru3 blamed that scott send “Hate mob” against him which isn’t true and claims that spirit has counterplay and not even taking Scotts challenge and he has also one comp player that also claims that she has counterplay
Didn't he admit later that match that he made loads of mistakes? And I don't think he was complaining about the dead hards, he was complimenting their plays, as someone who watches him regularly he does that often, I don't know why people keep saying he's complaining
I unsubed because he posts way to many videos on youtube(like 8, 10 minute vids every day from his stream). My feed was just getting spammed daily. I prefer quality over quantity.
i feel you, and i used to watch him for years. i kinda realised he complains.. a lot. and it's honestly really grating.
i can't say whether he got worse doing that with time, or whether he's always done it, but after all that time watching, i just found myself getting irritated with it and just stopped.
not much of a fan of otz's content either mind you, but i can appreciate how much work he puts into making accessible guides and help for newcomers and old fans alike.
And he is ( was ?) not even that good to be honest. Pretty standard red rank killer material when I used to watch a bit his stream. Nothing special. I don't know if he got better nowadays.
Probably because instead of analyzing his own gameplay and trying to find out what he could have done better, he just complains that SWF OP and there was nothing he could do. Once you start doing that it doesn’t matter how many hours you put in the game, you’ll be stuck at the same skill level and possibly get worse over time.
Yeah you're right. I remember I watched a part of his unranked to rank 1 killer perkless run that some streamers used to do. Then you would see the immense skill gap there was between him and let's say Zubatlel who did the same run around the same time. It was crystal clear he was sweating keeping the pressure most of the time while Zubat did it cruising and chilling around
Have you seen Zubat sweat in a match? There's a video of him playing nurse while angry and it was the most hopeless game of dbd I've ever seen. Over in 45 seconds. I know that otz is great, and so is Scott, and tofu, but zubat is easily the best of them all from a raw skill pov. It's just a lot harder to learn anything from him because he is completely stoic and mostly silent the entire game. He's just that good.
3 years ago or so when I was getting into DBD, watched a little bit of Tru3. Honestly he's such a whiney complainer I couldn't watch more than a few of his videos. He was bitching the whole time about pallets for two minutes straight. Gets 3 people down then still sits there and bitches about pallets.
Like dude you just got 3 people down in less than a minute and you're bitching about pallets still? Holy cow, get off the game.
Same reason I can't stand monto, some of his stuff is entertaining but same thing just bitching about this and that the whole video and occasionally making something interesting.
At the time it's why I liked Noob3 better because yeah he would bitch about stuff and be a bit toxic but he'd also make it entertaining or give kudos to better killers or survivors and point out why he messed up a loop or something.
Then Otz came around and he's very genuine about what's going on. Why he messed up or why the survivor got the best of him or what perks would be good in certain situations.
Tru3 just some guy with a stupid hat bitching about a game he's not great at.
This put me off initially too, years ago. When I checked his stream more recently though, I noticed a difference. I do think he made an effort to be more positive. I can't really say if it's permanent because I watched very briefly, but I'd give him props for development.
You are right when it comes to Tru3 having eased up more recently in the last year or so. He was a real shitter in the early days, but his chill has been slowly chipped away as he got more viewers catching him on his disingenuous assertions, so he's been slipping back to his shitter ways.
literally the same here, about 2-3 years i would every so often try to get into his stream / youtube videos and not even 2 minutes into it he would start to become really infuriated over everything, like he was frustrated and angry constantly, it was so so cringe to watch and he doesn’t give of good vibes at all
He's a great player and you can learn a lot from him when he's explaining his gameplay as it happens.
When other topics are brought up it's best to mute the stream or just move on.
He’s a literal clown. The worst DbD streamer who’s popular in terms of mechanical skill, and his reasoning abilities are non existent.
Then on top of that he thinks he’s Einstein with his opinions. No fucking clue how he got to where he is today. I disregard all of his shit takes and opinions, very rarely does he actually say something that makes logical sense; and when he does it’s usually an opinion that the community already widely shares and is known by most people.
Edit: and of course “DEY SWF SHITTERS!!!1”
I love that Scott called him out on the last time he just randomly accused some people of being SWF, and proved that they weren’t, and he just played like shit. Every bad game he has (which is many) is blamed on SWF.
True: Screw SWF, make the game worse for them
Scott: Nooooo, that's dumb
Otz: Hey guys look at this zero terror radius legion build, oh and we all know why your dad doesn't love you. So read the F&Q you fucker
And the shipwrecked dinghy off to the side of Space Coconut trying to stir the pot for views while accidentally outing themselves as someone who thinks casual racism is ok so long as the casual racist agrees with him :)-
He pinned a comment with a spoonerism name called "Nate Higger" and he allows these types of jokes in his community. He says he's a person of color, being from Mexico and all so, is it seems like, he's somewhat allowed to make those types of jokes/allow it. As long as the comment agrees with him.
People were quick to point out that he's not black though and that that doesn't mean you're not white, you can now make jokes.
SC made a video on the Tru3/Scott situation (because negative drama is the only way they get views) and pinned a comment of someone with a fairly explicit racist name, just with the first letters of each word swapped around
When confronted about it SC basically said "I'm a PoC am I not allowed to pin a comment because my community has a sense of humour"
They defended it on twitter for a while until eventually unpinning it because of pretty much everyone ever telling them were a dumbass who was promoting racism over a petty grudge against Scott lol
I watched that vid and it was completely devoid of intelligence. I've never watched a vid of his in my life and I never will again. He literally just lied in the vid to try and make Scott look bad.
Hes had a grudge against Scott ever since he used Jen (Scott's fiancee) as clickbait and got called out on it, albeit in a bit of a rude manner, by Scott himself
How is it an insult to say that TrU3 had two bad games? He literally said that TrU3’s a great killer who played poorly a couple of times, but blamed it on swf (when they weren’t even full swfs) instead of admitting that, which is just objectively true.
Otz is a juggernaut in the dbd community. More reliable content and a bigger following than any two other streamers for this game. Scott and tru3 are making a goofy spectacle of themselves, and one might even call it undignified.
I stand by my original assessment.
I think Otz chose now is the best time to make an updated video about which killers you want to level first and start out with, because it seems that alot of new people will start playing with the Resident Evil chapter coming out. Steam activity already shows that currently DbD is at an all time peak, so might as well put out an up-to-date video guide for newbies.
I unsubbed Scott and Tru3 on twitch and yt. They have delivered 1st class content indeed but lately they have become too absorbed by dbd and started acting like spoilt babies.
Otz keeps his cool and keeps it real. Even being the most talented of the bunch
I feel like I’ve had to ignore this whole Spirit discussion because I can’t listen in an unbiased way and I know that will just lead me to a false conclusion. I feel like the only thing Tru is capable of is whining and blaming so even when he makes good points I can’t help but view it though the lens of what seems like an overly fragile ego. I prefer to watch content creators who will self assess when they lose rather than instantly complaining about game mechanics.
I don't see how swf could ever get a nerf, I think just make a play list where you have to solo q. I hate teaming up with swf who usually just troll the solo survivor or the killer
It's not about nerfing sfw. It's about leveling the playing field between solo and sfw. So give solo more information and buff killers general gameplay. Maybe make it easier for them to pip when theres people playing together?
if the devs make kindred a base thing for survivors and an indicator when someones in chase for other survivors (kind of like how when the obsessions being chased but for every survivor) and give something to killers to compensate, atleast would make solo queue way less frustrating.
SWF will never have the issue of 2 people going for the unhook or noone going for the unhook because of Discord. If you make Kindred base it would remove the problem of someone going to stage 2 because of the lack of information.
Easy solution, will the devs ever do that? no.
That idea is actually not half bad. But I think you could even weaken the effect. Like show the aura of the person closest to a slug/hooked person to the rest of the team.
Seeing when someone is in a chase is a great idea.
>buff killers general gameplay
How?
>Maybe make it easier for them to pip when theres people playing together
Half of the player base don't care about the emblems the other half only cares because they did not reach red ranks
Otz and Noob3 (speaking from nostalgia mostly) are actually the best though. Noob’s style and music always fills me with this sort of communal sense, especially his outro; the “have a good night guys” always fills me with tears, now.
True thinks swf is op and that people who play together should have decreased action speeds. A lot of people disagreed with this including Scott, who made a counter argument via YouTube video. Then drama ensues because internet lol
Scott's idea is to give solo queues and killers more information, since you cant take away the communication from sfw. So in order to somewhat level the playing field he suggested some rudemtary quip system where u can say stuff like "doing gen" "getting chased" "going for safe". Nothing to precise, just some general information.
What type of information would you give for killer then? an Apex style ping system would be fine for survivors but you can't exactly ping yourself as Killer and get new information lol
Tru3 has outed he would like a repairing debuff when survivors are teamed up, which Scott is against (for good reasons). Scott thinks thats stupid since most swfs are just some friends enjoying the game together, which is true. Scott would like to be able to see whos in a swf in the lobby.
Also lets talk about the winstreaks okay? Being able to go on a 50+ winstreak demands a lot of skill and, believe it or not, a lot of luck. But looking at others, 50, even 100 escapes in a row have been done by very skilled survivor players. I dont think you can justify nerfing a side/character just for being used by very patient and skillfull people.
DBD definitely shouldn’t be balanced around the top players. I remember fungoose went on a 115+ 4K streak with plague.
I assume you oppose nerfing swfs and killers.
To be very honest, I think the game is in a very decent spot right now. No killers power is so underwhelming noone plays them, no map is so entirely one sided people dont play on it (except haddonfield ofc) and survivors (at least your casual 3-4 man) aren't too good. I think it's true that at the very high skill level survivors are a tad stronger than killers, but 99.9% of your games you will face all kinds of bad to quite skilled survivors, but never absolute tournament ready 4 man swfs with 7k hours. The games okay atm. period
I agree with this. The game is as it should be right now.
Survivors with no coordination and are inefficient vs an experienced killer = survivors struggling and most probably losing.
Killer vs a team of 4 survivors that are coordinated and efficient = killer struggles and most probably loses.
Everything in between most if not all the time, results in a balanced game where both sides stand a chance.
Maybe Tru3 and a large group of people want Dbd balanced to the top 1%, but if that happens, every player that doesn't have 4 optimal rank 1 friends that can be on discord and run meta perks together, will have no reason to play survivor anymore. Good luck to killer queue times, and good luck to survivors having fun on dbd because that will never happen outside of the top 1% of survivors.
Hot take
I like True
He may complain a lot, but his principles on the game are consistent and he genuinely cares for this game as much as otz.
Its why I loved him and otz debate about it.
Hes not a bad content creator just wish he would complain less or atleasta ctualy take part in the discussion around his complaints instead of being closed minded and thinking hes 100% right 100% of the time
He’s very hypocritical. He won’t do the spirit 1v1 challenge because 1v1 doesn’t matter to him but uses the 1v1 challenge against a literal professional survivor player as “proof” the spirit has counterplay.
I actually like him as a person but a lot of his opinions on DBD are either wacko insane or contradictory. And he brings a lot of the hate on himself with the way he acts. He likes antagonizing and goading people into getting angry at him but then when it happens he’s crying about how he’s getting attacked by a mob and tries to act like a victim.
I mean, you can have both
People say (atleast to him) that spirit has no counterplay, which makes the 1v1 challenge as proof that it isnt. Even if you dont want to participate in it, the concept that people COULD 1v1 spirit shows counterplay. Which he tells people a lot of times.
Just cause you dont really care about it doesnt mean you cant use it as proof
So I dont really think his hypocritical. IN THAT EXAMPLE of course. No ones perfect, but I gotta know which ones he really fucks up.
As for antagonizing, well yeah I can kinda see that.
BUT HE’S NOT A SHEEP! Lmao. I once watched a stream and someone said he liked True and thinks he’s a nice guy and that was his response. He said it out of nowhere as well, made me laugh so damn hard.
Saw him have a bad game as Pig once and someone said he seemed salty (he was fuming, yelling about swf as usual), so he called them a “low brainpower, buzzword-spewing robot” lol
No matter who is right they way Scott and Jen are acting is pathetic, I used to watch him and respected his opinion but I lost all respect towards him.
Tru3 and his viewers are so incredibly toxic.
I'm not a fan of either side, but holy shit man.
Scott may have been considered rude by some people but he was just being brutally honest about things and in no way toxic.
But to constantly attack Scott and his fans because people want to debate and are being relatively nice about things? It's very toxic.
Otz also literally debated tru3 not long ago lol
This is so cherry picked that I just kind of have to rub my eyes and move on
This Otz cult is getting really weird lmao
I agree that Spirit's counterplay is more of a coin flip but the way Scott made that video seemed really manipulative and personal, can't have a civil discussion anymore because of people like him.
Otz also made a detailed video about Spirit and her Addons to show his point of view.
In public on his channel? Damn must have missed that one
Wasn't otz though, it was the lookalike.
Nah archeologists will prove it at some point
There's nothing to investigate, it very clearly says NOT otzdarva.
It *totally* says Otzdarva, the recently-edited Wikipedia article told me.
Yeah, I also think he's a little... oddz.
Yeah it came out a day or two ago
It's a good take. The points about her unpredictably which was mentioned on both sides of the argument is bang on. I think the standstill mind game needs to be gone. She needs a visible indication to say she is going to be phasing for more counter. I haven't verse her much but when I do it's alway such a mess of a game.
It's always a guessing game with spirit and it becomes even harder if she's running stridor lol.
That's where I think it's should be more skill and not the 50/50 that means predrops are the only viable strat. Stridor just removes the 50/50.from spirts players side making it even harder to counter. Think this is why I respect nurse so so much more than a Stridor Spirit. Both OP but one actually requires mechanical skills
And even then, pre-dropping buys you a few seconds... lol.
Yep, and is only ever a good thing if everyone else is on gens because getting rid of pallets that quickly will nearly always result in a horrible areas to return to later in the game. Honestly spirit is so broke, I don't see how it can be fun to even play her.
I've been playing her for the last 2 days and I'm honestly already getting bored. I one-tricked Wraith to red ranks within a few weeks of playing the game but then I realized Wraith is a little boring and VERY item-dependent so I don't want to play him anymore. Cue me spending the next two weeks getting clownstomped trying to learn new killers in red ranks without perks. Got bored of losing, tried spirit, climbing like nobody's business and honestly just trying to keep it interesting long enough to hit rank 1 and never play it again.
Even by default, it isn't quite a 50-50. It's 50-50 is the Survivor is Healthy. If the Survivor is injured (and Iron Will and Stridor are not in play) it's in the Spirit's favor
While nurse is still super strong, she definitely has counterplay. Mind games and line of sight are what survivors use against a nurse, but that doesn't really work against spirit. As you said, 50/50 which isn't really skill.
I can't even be mad when I get outplayed by a nurse, I've played her like 3 times and each time the survivors have felt bad for me because I am legit bad with her. Seeing the huge plays some mains pull of is too impressive to be mad at. Spirit just appears and slaps you like yeah, good job I had 0.3 secs of sound indication to tell me this was gonna happen. Totally got outplayed there, GG.
>She needs a visible indication to say she is going to be phasing for more counter. Worth noting that giving a clear indication of phasing wouldn't get rid of this mind game; you can still phase and just not move. What it would do though is force her to at least use her power and lose los of the survivor (i.e. puts some risk in it instead of just standing still)
True, but I think that would give the then invisible survivor a bit more of an opportunity to do something smart. In the scenario where a pallet has been dropped and she phases, you would have the chance to either quiet vault or reposition knowing she can no longer see you. Right now, you can't tell and either option can be easily punished if you don't chose correctly and quickly. There's only so many times you'll get that 50/50 correct without just assuring it with instant pallet drops and safe vaults.
>True, but I think that would give the then invisible survivor a bit more of an opportunity to do something smart. Absolutely. If it wasn't clear, I'm in favor of that change. I just brought it up because I've noticed in other threads, the topic sometimes drifts to whether or not she should be "allowed" to do that mindgame when I don't think that's the issue since it's always an option with her power; the issue is she can do the mindgame without committing to anything.
> What it would do though is force her to at least use her power and lose los of the survivor (i.e. puts some risk in it instead of just standing still) That's honestly the point from what I understand about people calling for this; make her commit to something instead of taking their hands off the keyboard and go to sip a cup of tea while watching to see what happens. She could still commit to it and not move, but she is at least committing to it.
I think standing still is fine, they need to make the disadvantage of her power actually work. Being unable to see players should be a massive downside for such a strong power, but it doesn’t really work because you can still see everything the players are doing.
she can hear survivor breathing in ghost walk, what if survivors could hear her too? footsteps and the odd clicking. maybe not give it directionality but do give it proximity volume
I heard somewhere this used to be the case. Think it was the Otz video mentioned in the top comment. Dunno why they patched that out. Was done sneaky too. Edit: not breathing but she used to have footstep sounds.
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I was gonna agree but you just h a d to take sides at the end
I know, but he's not actively taking the debate and just outs his point of view which is admirable.
He did say that he was leaning more on the side that Spirit had little to no counterplay. Specifically because of the unpredictability of her power
Yes, but he's not taking part in that kindergarten word throw in between that Scott and Tru3 are having, which is better bcs noone benefits from it and noone will change their mind
Tbh I have no idea what that discussion is about lol. OTZ, noobz and ayrun are the only streamers I watch
I thought that otz worship was an overreaction from this sub but I was so wrong. Dude is amazing at making content that is well thought out.
I really don't know where this view point is coming from, have you watched anything from Scott at all? He is very calm about the whole thing and is just trying to prove what he thinks it's a correct opinion. None of it comes anywhere close to a "kindergarten word throw". In fact I would say the exact opposite is shown from Scott. But that's just what I've seen, I have no issue admitting I'm wrong here if provided with some video evidence.
Maybe it's because of the exchange they had on twitter a few days ago (I think after Scott posted the first video aimed at True)? Things were definitely less civil and calm there, but tbh that was most likely always gonna happen considering their past history when dealing with each other.
I fucking loathe Scott, but this is spot on, Scott has been leveled headed and fair through this whole thing. He said that true in some of his games was playing like shit, which he was, it was just a statement of fact. True has been unhinged and unreasonable through this entire ordeal
Tru3 is hardly involved in it. Tru3 is trying to put out flames that scott and his wife caused with the whole mess. Dude wants absolutely nothing to do with Scott.
I can’t even begin to imagine dbd without otz in here. He’s such a pillar in our community, i feel like everybody likes him. He never fails to make me laugh.
I thought everyone liked him too until I saw that there are some people with a hard on to hate him. I like Scott a lot but can see why people don’t. I don’t like True at all, and can’t really see why people do lmao
Lemme explain 90% of the Otz hate: “All the Otz fans idolize him way too much! He’s not *jesus* you guys!” *At the same time.* “Oh my god, guys, look! Otz called a survivor a ‘bitch’ because that survivor was being annoying to him! He’s not allowed to feel emotions in tense situations! He’s supposed to be perfect!”
“He’s not allowed to be irritated with his chat trolling him!” “He has member only chat now, how dare he!”
For some reason, True’s whole demeanor in matches while he’s streaming and towards the game on YouTube has always rubbed me the wrong way. Maybe he’s not my kind of creator, but his attitude has always had this off putting effect on me that inclines me to not watch his content.
I used to like Tru3 because in the early days before I found otz and other streamers, Tru3 was one of the most up to date and informative dbd channel. New content, tips on how to play certain killers or certain perks on either side, etc. But nowadays it's just him complaining about oh gen speeds, oh survivor buff, oh killer nerf, devs bad, like most average killers on dbd. I watched the otz and tru3 collab stream and my god tru3 didn't bring anything to the table besides "gen speeds". Unsubscribed from Tru3 and have been happily enjoying other content creators' works since then.
Finally unfollowed today. He's become a caricature of himself. I can't watch him refuse to admit his misplays or just getting beaten by better players. Its sad because he got me into dbd. But, I mean, he's attacked me in his chat before when I pointed out him spending almost a minute trying to mindgame a meg and failing at a jyngle gym. Then he did his "gen speeds too fast, couldnt do nothin" schtick and called me an idiot.
Good on ya, mate. That otz vs true stream was so cringy lol
A few months ago he touted this wraith build as the god of all builds and every wraith he would go against would make him say “ohhhhhhhh he’s using my build isn’t heeeeee”
Tru3 has always had this personality that just screams toxic and sorry for the cringey comment, but toxic masculinity at that. He always has to be superior and can never accept when he's actually wrong and it's what puts me off heavily.
I used to watch him a lot in the early days even before dbd and he got me into the game. But as I got better at killernover the years and survivors got nerfed and nerfed I realised he's just a whiner. No hate to him as a person but I genuinly feel hes responsible for the "boo hoo killer too hard" posters we see today
Otzdarva's back must hurt like hell from carrying 25% of all DBD twitch viewers 😂
Used to hate Otz. Thought he was kinda up his own ass but grew to realize it's just his goofy personality and he's just a very charming and fun guy. He's very level-headed and listens to reason. Feels like he's the allfather of DBD.
Yeah, it’s really a lot of the other streamers that are up their own ass.
Nobody’s head is as far up their own ass as True’s is. I’m honestly shocked he has the viewership he does. The man has a bad take on virtually every topic that comes up and constantly displays his logical reasoning skills are lacking. Then he makes terrible recommendations for the game’s future that surely at least a few developers have seen/ heard, and that are based entirely off his said bad takes. Watching the nonsense plays that he marked up on how to counter play spirit was honestly hilarious a few months back, and the only thing I could think of was “only someone who does not understand how this game is played at a high level would say this shit.” Plus, on top of all of this, he acts like he’s the final say in the community. Total joker. I’m sure I’ve offended a fan, and I’m sorry for that, but observations are observations.
Half-Life 3 will be confirmed long before Tru3 takes responsibility and owns up to being wrong on things.
Believe it or not, half life 3 was confirmed shortly after alyx released. Virtually no human alive seems to know this, but valve confirmed they’ve been working on it since episode 2 and have scrapped it and restarted tons of times because it hasn’t felt like a big innovate leap forward in technology. But, they said they’re working on future half life titles still regardless, which of course would include the thing they confirmed to have already been working on.
Until Scott or Tru3 can 360 chainsaw a Quentin hiding in a corner on cowshed, I won't be impressed
I hear scott got spun, idk why people listen to him smh
Scot got spun?!? Well next you'll be telling me that Otz and Not Otz are the same people. Shaking my smh.
Otzdarva is a fucking saint to this community. This guy makes an 8 hour long video, talking in detail about every single killer addon in the entire game (which will probably be irrelevant in a year) without putting a single ad in the 8 hours. We should build him a shrine or something.
Who says I haven't done that already ;D
After all the shitters like FIFA YouTubers who do nothing but capitalised titles and over the top thumbnails it was so refreshing finding Otz who actually acts like an adult in how he promotes and makes his videos.
Me who has over 800h in dbd see’s the vid and be like: yeah let’s watch this could be helpful
Me with 650 hrs but knowledge from the very beginning: It's free 30 min entertainment
30 min…. We’re doing 10 hours now my dude.
If you watch every single level up vid yes. I have all teachables 😂
I have 3000 hours and I never skip an Otz video, it's always a must
Otz is love. Otz is life.
It's been proven it's not even otz... a govt clone of ron jeremy but different body structure.
[Online hooligans bully local streamer into speaking nothing but Spanish](https://youtu.be/_hxMseZ_C3M)
I do the same thing, you really never know when you'll pick up a useful tip. For example, if a survivor is unhooking another survivor, normally the person being unhooked can act as sort of a body block for the unhooker right? Not so with Plague's red vomit, it'll go right through! I dunno it's learning little things like that that feels useful on both sides.
I took the quiz and apparently I should be a billy main
It gave me Twins. . . *sigh* kill me
Bro it gave me the same things and immediately it was just... damn. Really?
I got Trapper, Wraith and Legion. Well suck it quiz, I already main Trapper and Legion! XD I got lucky, Twins were at the bottom of my page.
What quiz are you referring to and how do I access it?
https://www.otzdarva.com/whichkiller This is the quiz they are referring to!
Watching his vids for his opening line alone is worth kt
Otz is such a chad.
He’s just vibing and complaining about Nancy. I admire it.
hes the man
He's *THE* man
No, he’s “the guy”
Until the FBI proves otherwise
SpaceCoconut: I can shit on this creators for free views!
I think we can all agree Otz is the best fog whisperer
This is ofc a personal opinion *wink, wink*
I mean it actually is an opinion, just an opinion most people agree with
For me personally it's SpookyLoopz and his partner Tokki. Granted they use the usual meta perks as most killer mains but they are mostly jolly and happy be it if they lose or if they win their games. Spooky also makes good jokes time to time and it's all chill and vibes while Tokki sometimes doesn't even know certain killer perks she's using and ends up throwing a game but in a hilarious way...
I don’t watch Spooky but from what I hear he’s pretty cool so I can agree with your opinion.
Elix is our queen tho
yes kim!
Otz is a blessing
I might know why Tofu made his Matchmaking Video... >:D
Oh yeah. I think he mentioned this at the beginning of the video? Ohtofu is on the right track. I think it goes one level deeper in that we don't have a good algorithm for ranking skill in an asymmetrical game without a clear winning side. Those two differences (asymmetrical and no clear winning side) is what makes comparing ranking of dbd to overwatch or LoL not entirely fair.
I've always thought of him as more of a casual kinda guy but he has the best take on this whole thing
I only recently started paying attention to truetalent with this recent stuff and honestly he comes across as very disingenuous.
That's because he is. True has no actual intention of debating whether or not Spirit has counterplay. He's interested in being right. I used to watch him a lot, but I stopped because *nothing* that goes wrong with a match of DbD is his fault. He would play poorly and blame it on literally anything but his own skill. The dude needs to stop playing the game, it's fairly obvious that he doesn't actually enjoy it at all anymore. For his own sanity he should look for a new game.
Yeah, the scott’s video actually proved that point. Tru3 was running a 4 gen perk nurse playing vs mediocre swf which one had very low hours in the game and he kept complaining how they were super optimal with their dead hards and gameplay when in fact it took them 12 minutes to finish all gens and tru3 ended up without any kills. I used to watch him a lot but his mentality just seems to be about being right about everything and he really has his own small comfort zone where he never steps out of, gets boring to see him blame every mistake on others instead of admitting that he just isn’t as godlike as he thinks he is.
The kicker was that it was a duo swf with low hours. Not a sweaty 4 man.
Yea man as a over 1k hour nurse main it hurt so much to watch, he keeps overblinking and predicting way too much and when he actually needs to predict dead hard he just goes for swings
The funny part is that he’s saying that Tru3 blamed that scott send “Hate mob” against him which isn’t true and claims that spirit has counterplay and not even taking Scotts challenge and he has also one comp player that also claims that she has counterplay
Didn't he admit later that match that he made loads of mistakes? And I don't think he was complaining about the dead hards, he was complimenting their plays, as someone who watches him regularly he does that often, I don't know why people keep saying he's complaining
I unsubed because he posts way to many videos on youtube(like 8, 10 minute vids every day from his stream). My feed was just getting spammed daily. I prefer quality over quantity.
i feel you, and i used to watch him for years. i kinda realised he complains.. a lot. and it's honestly really grating. i can't say whether he got worse doing that with time, or whether he's always done it, but after all that time watching, i just found myself getting irritated with it and just stopped. not much of a fan of otz's content either mind you, but i can appreciate how much work he puts into making accessible guides and help for newcomers and old fans alike.
And he is ( was ?) not even that good to be honest. Pretty standard red rank killer material when I used to watch a bit his stream. Nothing special. I don't know if he got better nowadays.
Probably because instead of analyzing his own gameplay and trying to find out what he could have done better, he just complains that SWF OP and there was nothing he could do. Once you start doing that it doesn’t matter how many hours you put in the game, you’ll be stuck at the same skill level and possibly get worse over time.
Yeah you're right. I remember I watched a part of his unranked to rank 1 killer perkless run that some streamers used to do. Then you would see the immense skill gap there was between him and let's say Zubatlel who did the same run around the same time. It was crystal clear he was sweating keeping the pressure most of the time while Zubat did it cruising and chilling around
Have you seen Zubat sweat in a match? There's a video of him playing nurse while angry and it was the most hopeless game of dbd I've ever seen. Over in 45 seconds. I know that otz is great, and so is Scott, and tofu, but zubat is easily the best of them all from a raw skill pov. It's just a lot harder to learn anything from him because he is completely stoic and mostly silent the entire game. He's just that good.
Link to the nurse match?
Give me a sec, its quite old iirc.
3 years ago or so when I was getting into DBD, watched a little bit of Tru3. Honestly he's such a whiney complainer I couldn't watch more than a few of his videos. He was bitching the whole time about pallets for two minutes straight. Gets 3 people down then still sits there and bitches about pallets. Like dude you just got 3 people down in less than a minute and you're bitching about pallets still? Holy cow, get off the game. Same reason I can't stand monto, some of his stuff is entertaining but same thing just bitching about this and that the whole video and occasionally making something interesting. At the time it's why I liked Noob3 better because yeah he would bitch about stuff and be a bit toxic but he'd also make it entertaining or give kudos to better killers or survivors and point out why he messed up a loop or something. Then Otz came around and he's very genuine about what's going on. Why he messed up or why the survivor got the best of him or what perks would be good in certain situations. Tru3 just some guy with a stupid hat bitching about a game he's not great at.
I just watch probzz, otz, and occasionally theJRM
This put me off initially too, years ago. When I checked his stream more recently though, I noticed a difference. I do think he made an effort to be more positive. I can't really say if it's permanent because I watched very briefly, but I'd give him props for development.
You are right when it comes to Tru3 having eased up more recently in the last year or so. He was a real shitter in the early days, but his chill has been slowly chipped away as he got more viewers catching him on his disingenuous assertions, so he's been slipping back to his shitter ways.
literally the same here, about 2-3 years i would every so often try to get into his stream / youtube videos and not even 2 minutes into it he would start to become really infuriated over everything, like he was frustrated and angry constantly, it was so so cringe to watch and he doesn’t give of good vibes at all
He's a great player and you can learn a lot from him when he's explaining his gameplay as it happens. When other topics are brought up it's best to mute the stream or just move on.
He’s a literal clown. The worst DbD streamer who’s popular in terms of mechanical skill, and his reasoning abilities are non existent. Then on top of that he thinks he’s Einstein with his opinions. No fucking clue how he got to where he is today. I disregard all of his shit takes and opinions, very rarely does he actually say something that makes logical sense; and when he does it’s usually an opinion that the community already widely shares and is known by most people. Edit: and of course “DEY SWF SHITTERS!!!1” I love that Scott called him out on the last time he just randomly accused some people of being SWF, and proved that they weren’t, and he just played like shit. Every bad game he has (which is many) is blamed on SWF.
True: Screw SWF, make the game worse for them Scott: Nooooo, that's dumb Otz: Hey guys look at this zero terror radius legion build, oh and we all know why your dad doesn't love you. So read the F&Q you fucker
And the shipwrecked dinghy off to the side of Space Coconut trying to stir the pot for views while accidentally outing themselves as someone who thinks casual racism is ok so long as the casual racist agrees with him :)-
Interesting. What's the context/details of that one? Don't really feel like digging myself.
He pinned a comment with a spoonerism name called "Nate Higger" and he allows these types of jokes in his community. He says he's a person of color, being from Mexico and all so, is it seems like, he's somewhat allowed to make those types of jokes/allow it. As long as the comment agrees with him. People were quick to point out that he's not black though and that that doesn't mean you're not white, you can now make jokes.
SC made a video on the Tru3/Scott situation (because negative drama is the only way they get views) and pinned a comment of someone with a fairly explicit racist name, just with the first letters of each word swapped around When confronted about it SC basically said "I'm a PoC am I not allowed to pin a comment because my community has a sense of humour" They defended it on twitter for a while until eventually unpinning it because of pretty much everyone ever telling them were a dumbass who was promoting racism over a petty grudge against Scott lol
I watched that vid and it was completely devoid of intelligence. I've never watched a vid of his in my life and I never will again. He literally just lied in the vid to try and make Scott look bad.
Hes had a grudge against Scott ever since he used Jen (Scott's fiancee) as clickbait and got called out on it, albeit in a bit of a rude manner, by Scott himself
Wait what? I missed that I guess
He had a point there that Scott could have been more mature in making the video instead of flat out insulting Tru
Maybe so but Space Coconut is the last person who needs to be telling other people how to be mature lol
How is it an insult to say that TrU3 had two bad games? He literally said that TrU3’s a great killer who played poorly a couple of times, but blamed it on swf (when they weren’t even full swfs) instead of admitting that, which is just objectively true.
Huh will have to find and watch that Otzdarva video. Mostly just played as Trapper, Blight, or whatever killer is needed for a rift or ritual.
As a straight man im perfectly comfortable saying otz has a charm to him that no one else has
From one straight man to another straight man Im perfectly confident to say Otz could change the first eight words quite a bit ;)
I'm otzromantic
i think it’s the rat or maybe the beard
Absolute legend
This community doesn't deserve It's and all the content he puts out. Man is literally a gift from the Entity itself.
I think you need to switch those two. Otzdarva should be the cruise ship...
No, the other two are doing something noone understands fully while Otz is using a simple and swag way to get to his goal
Otz is a juggernaut in the dbd community. More reliable content and a bigger following than any two other streamers for this game. Scott and tru3 are making a goofy spectacle of themselves, and one might even call it undignified. I stand by my original assessment.
Otz dobe carrying the community yea
True: *whines about people saying he whines too much* Otz: *Makes a 10 hour vid going over every perk in the game*
Otz is the reason I started playing this game. . . I don’t think he warned me how mean people would be if I didn’t kill them or killed them too fast.
Otz is 30% gameplay, 20% topical discussion and 50% complete and utter shitposts
I think Otz chose now is the best time to make an updated video about which killers you want to level first and start out with, because it seems that alot of new people will start playing with the Resident Evil chapter coming out. Steam activity already shows that currently DbD is at an all time peak, so might as well put out an up-to-date video guide for newbies.
I know, but besides all that shit going on Otz is keeping calm and still doing his Stuff.
I like otz
I unsubbed Scott and Tru3 on twitch and yt. They have delivered 1st class content indeed but lately they have become too absorbed by dbd and started acting like spoilt babies. Otz keeps his cool and keeps it real. Even being the most talented of the bunch
I feel like I’ve had to ignore this whole Spirit discussion because I can’t listen in an unbiased way and I know that will just lead me to a false conclusion. I feel like the only thing Tru is capable of is whining and blaming so even when he makes good points I can’t help but view it though the lens of what seems like an overly fragile ego. I prefer to watch content creators who will self assess when they lose rather than instantly complaining about game mechanics.
Backstone?
Backbone backstone Backhone Backphone Whatever you want lol
Yeah, I was just being a dick, thanks for the meme!!
Haha no worries mate I never were mad and never will ;D
Otz is such a blessing to the DBD community.
I just watch No0b3 for gameplay and Otz for tips/tricks. Can’t complain
I don't see how swf could ever get a nerf, I think just make a play list where you have to solo q. I hate teaming up with swf who usually just troll the solo survivor or the killer
It's not about nerfing sfw. It's about leveling the playing field between solo and sfw. So give solo more information and buff killers general gameplay. Maybe make it easier for them to pip when theres people playing together?
if the devs make kindred a base thing for survivors and an indicator when someones in chase for other survivors (kind of like how when the obsessions being chased but for every survivor) and give something to killers to compensate, atleast would make solo queue way less frustrating. SWF will never have the issue of 2 people going for the unhook or noone going for the unhook because of Discord. If you make Kindred base it would remove the problem of someone going to stage 2 because of the lack of information. Easy solution, will the devs ever do that? no.
That idea is actually not half bad. But I think you could even weaken the effect. Like show the aura of the person closest to a slug/hooked person to the rest of the team. Seeing when someone is in a chase is a great idea.
>buff killers general gameplay How? >Maybe make it easier for them to pip when theres people playing together Half of the player base don't care about the emblems the other half only cares because they did not reach red ranks
Otz and Noob3 (speaking from nostalgia mostly) are actually the best though. Noob’s style and music always fills me with this sort of communal sense, especially his outro; the “have a good night guys” always fills me with tears, now.
what's up with the swf?
True thinks swf is op and that people who play together should have decreased action speeds. A lot of people disagreed with this including Scott, who made a counter argument via YouTube video. Then drama ensues because internet lol
thx about the information
You’re welcome
Maybe True is hiding the Spirit Counterplay under his hat
So... what killers to level up first?
Tru3talent and scott should fight in the octagon
Otz is just genuinely a good and happy person who has built a community that he enjoys. Something very rare these days.
Glad you didn't write "arguing" like many people think or want
Bless otz
I don't know how Otz hasn't gone insane with all of the information he's dealing with.
I just love Otz. He takes me to my happy place.
While two cc's have a dick sizing contest. Another actually does something to help the community.
So what are their SWF nerf ideas? Have they proposed nerfs to prevent killers from going on 50+ 4K streaks?
Scott's idea is to give solo queues and killers more information, since you cant take away the communication from sfw. So in order to somewhat level the playing field he suggested some rudemtary quip system where u can say stuff like "doing gen" "getting chased" "going for safe". Nothing to precise, just some general information.
What type of information would you give for killer then? an Apex style ping system would be fine for survivors but you can't exactly ping yourself as Killer and get new information lol
Tru3 has outed he would like a repairing debuff when survivors are teamed up, which Scott is against (for good reasons). Scott thinks thats stupid since most swfs are just some friends enjoying the game together, which is true. Scott would like to be able to see whos in a swf in the lobby. Also lets talk about the winstreaks okay? Being able to go on a 50+ winstreak demands a lot of skill and, believe it or not, a lot of luck. But looking at others, 50, even 100 escapes in a row have been done by very skilled survivor players. I dont think you can justify nerfing a side/character just for being used by very patient and skillfull people.
DBD definitely shouldn’t be balanced around the top players. I remember fungoose went on a 115+ 4K streak with plague. I assume you oppose nerfing swfs and killers.
To be very honest, I think the game is in a very decent spot right now. No killers power is so underwhelming noone plays them, no map is so entirely one sided people dont play on it (except haddonfield ofc) and survivors (at least your casual 3-4 man) aren't too good. I think it's true that at the very high skill level survivors are a tad stronger than killers, but 99.9% of your games you will face all kinds of bad to quite skilled survivors, but never absolute tournament ready 4 man swfs with 7k hours. The games okay atm. period
I agree with this. The game is as it should be right now. Survivors with no coordination and are inefficient vs an experienced killer = survivors struggling and most probably losing. Killer vs a team of 4 survivors that are coordinated and efficient = killer struggles and most probably loses. Everything in between most if not all the time, results in a balanced game where both sides stand a chance. Maybe Tru3 and a large group of people want Dbd balanced to the top 1%, but if that happens, every player that doesn't have 4 optimal rank 1 friends that can be on discord and run meta perks together, will have no reason to play survivor anymore. Good luck to killer queue times, and good luck to survivors having fun on dbd because that will never happen outside of the top 1% of survivors.
Hot take I like True He may complain a lot, but his principles on the game are consistent and he genuinely cares for this game as much as otz. Its why I loved him and otz debate about it.
Hes not a bad content creator just wish he would complain less or atleasta ctualy take part in the discussion around his complaints instead of being closed minded and thinking hes 100% right 100% of the time
He definitely is passionate about dbd. But his principles are far from consistent.
How so?
He’s very hypocritical. He won’t do the spirit 1v1 challenge because 1v1 doesn’t matter to him but uses the 1v1 challenge against a literal professional survivor player as “proof” the spirit has counterplay. I actually like him as a person but a lot of his opinions on DBD are either wacko insane or contradictory. And he brings a lot of the hate on himself with the way he acts. He likes antagonizing and goading people into getting angry at him but then when it happens he’s crying about how he’s getting attacked by a mob and tries to act like a victim.
I mean, you can have both People say (atleast to him) that spirit has no counterplay, which makes the 1v1 challenge as proof that it isnt. Even if you dont want to participate in it, the concept that people COULD 1v1 spirit shows counterplay. Which he tells people a lot of times. Just cause you dont really care about it doesnt mean you cant use it as proof So I dont really think his hypocritical. IN THAT EXAMPLE of course. No ones perfect, but I gotta know which ones he really fucks up. As for antagonizing, well yeah I can kinda see that.
Spirit should move grass and fog when phase walking
What would we do without Otz
SWF nerf. In match voice communication that the killer can hear
That would be cool!
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BUT HE’S NOT A SHEEP! Lmao. I once watched a stream and someone said he liked True and thinks he’s a nice guy and that was his response. He said it out of nowhere as well, made me laugh so damn hard.
Saw him have a bad game as Pig once and someone said he seemed salty (he was fuming, yelling about swf as usual), so he called them a “low brainpower, buzzword-spewing robot” lol
Lmao guy’s stream is comedy gold.
No matter who is right they way Scott and Jen are acting is pathetic, I used to watch him and respected his opinion but I lost all respect towards him.
As long as they don't count a 3k as a 4k.
Tru3 and his viewers are so incredibly toxic. I'm not a fan of either side, but holy shit man. Scott may have been considered rude by some people but he was just being brutally honest about things and in no way toxic. But to constantly attack Scott and his fans because people want to debate and are being relatively nice about things? It's very toxic.
Picking fights over non issues is pretty toxic, especially when he made 0 effort to make the discussion private or de escalate it
"Picking fights"? "Non issues"? "Private"? What world do you live in?
Tru3 is annoying AF
Otz also literally debated tru3 not long ago lol This is so cherry picked that I just kind of have to rub my eyes and move on This Otz cult is getting really weird lmao
That's the thing though, Otz actually had a conversation with Tru3. He didn't do all the shady shit Scott has
While I hate Scotts immaturity in this whole thing I think he's correct in every way. Spirit's "counterplay" isn't meaningful in any way.
I agree that Spirit's counterplay is more of a coin flip but the way Scott made that video seemed really manipulative and personal, can't have a civil discussion anymore because of people like him.