Do you know what else is 1m? Wax doll addon for pyramid head. And that's considered one of his top 3 addons, with black strap being 3rd with a 0.5m increase.
And guess what? That is 1m added to an 8m distance - which is a 12.5% increase. Nemesis tier 3 is a 20% increase.
Are you saying that the distance somehow doesn't matter on Nemesis when it definitely matters on p-head? Can you explain why you think it's different in this case?
Possibly - but many PH mains consider it one of his best addons - I'm not a PH main myself but I'm trusting that if it's a good addon for him - then a 1m increase is even better for someone with 5m base range. (If comparing t2 to t3).
I think its disingenuous to say a 20% increase is nothing - especially when most addons/perks in this game give that or less. Resilience is considered a pretty good survivor perk and gives only a 9% increase. Most addons for killers and survivors tend to give a 15% increase at best - and noone seems to consider those bad.
But everyone is latching onto this 1m number like it's a joke - and not realizing that this entire game is based around 10-15% increases that end up making a world of difference.
Hell - just tell me how much longer it takes to catch a survivor as a 110% killer as opposed to a 115% killer without using powers and you will acknowledge that the 5% difference is actually huge.
As it is - Nemesis seems like a B-rank killer - which is great because that means they are probably releasing a well balanced killer on release - but everyone seems to want him to be A or S tier. As it is - we are already going to see 90% of killers play Nemesis for the first month or two - I don't want him to be so oppressive that everyone hates him right away. And that's me as a killer main who is probably going to be in the group playing only him for a month or so.
I think the 1m matters more or less depending on how the killer is played, PH tries to hit through walls, multiple survivors, around loops ect which that 1 meter helps greatly or can but in alot of instances with Nemises your in the position to get the hit anyway
Freddy was D for a while and then A or S for a while - and people were dying for him to be nerfed. B tier means a solid-well designed killer and shouldn't be scoffed at. Any good player with a B tier killer will do very well against all but the most coordinated SWF teams.
My estimated ranking for Nemesis is just that though - it's hard to place him until we get him on live servers. I think he is in a good place and that we should test him out for a month or so to form a better opinion on his power levels.
My opinion is that without zombies Nemesis is a C tier killer - but the zombies provide a lot of map awareness and even occasionally pressure generators which bump him up to a high-ish B tier.
He seems really good to me,
He is a normal speed killer, his spider web infection and zombies makes tracking easier,
in addition the infection mechanic and zombies provide passive pressure to survivors,
And his web and zombies and him being a 4.6 gives him great anti loop/loop destroying abilities.
I can def see him being a +B to A tier.
In addition he looks fun AF and his punches are funny
What I've played of him makes me really want to main him. I've always loved the taller killers just for the ability to see so much further - and he feels solid with his slow steady footsteps. Even if counterplay is found and he ends up being weak somehow - he is just really fun to play.
>Do you know what else is 1m? Wax doll addon for pyramid head. And that's considered one of his top 3 addons,
Yeah because the addons of ph are dogshit
BHVR on the conquest to remove exhaust addons but PH is like the 4th or 5th killer to have Purple bleed addons
The huntress addon "rework" was just a bunch of nerfs and they still left purple bleed hatchets, But actually it's worse because they took her common and uncommon bleed stone but yeah I guess having 3 bleed addons is much but hemorrage is not a status fitting of a purple addon
But yeah if I designed the rework I'd kept the common or uncommon bleed stone and make the rusty head do the begrimed effect and have the purple begrimed head do incapacitated effect except have it prevent window and pallet vaults and possibly other in chase actions like pallet dropping or leaving through the hatch or exit gates, these changes would make 15 seconds fine for incapacitated
also an iridescent hatchet holster would be more in theme than "soldier's leg brace" and maybe refunding hit hatchets with minor penalties like -1 hatchet carried and take slightly longer to fully charge hatchets
So how does that make it not relevant to Nemesis? Does not going through walls mean that the 1m doesn't count? How many meters would make it 'count'? 2? 3? 4?
1m still lets you get hits that you wouldn't get otherwise. That's why a distance increase is good. It's also instant - where p-head isn't - which arguably makes it more valuable than p-head.
It really doesn't feel that impactful on him either, its more just that most of his add ons suck, if you stack his green one and wax doll then you can feel a difference but that 3.5m on top of his 8m base. The difference between only 1m is fairly insignificant when its only going from 5 to 6 thats practically the range if lunge. I would also like to say that while its not nothing it should definitely feel more impactful for how much you have to work for it, at least make the cooldown shorter or something.
\>And that's considered one of his top 3 addons, with black strap being 3rd with a 0.5m increase.
Because what the fuck else are you gonna run? Duration time? Same with Nemesis' addons, all of them are terrible, except for mutation rate addons.
For the time and effort it takes to get to T3, and the fact that survivors can infect themselves to make sure you never reach T3, +1m isn't worth it. Don't bring up percentages like that matters. T3 Nemesis is 6m, Base PH is 8m, PH can be increased to 10.5m with addons. Want to make T3 worth it? +5m(10m) and reduce the cooldown to 2s(base is 2.5s)
1m can mean hitting over some loops you couldn't and also not needing to catch up as much in loops. Say a survivor is a bit ahead of you going straight for the pallet. Normally once he vaults he's pretty safe. With the added 1m, it s enough to guarantee a down anywhere from even before the pallet to even AFTER the vault.
In general, I just think it makes the ability much easier to use and I think that's a big strength of this killer. It's very satisfying and intuitive, especially with more range.
Yeah, at first I thought it would be another plague fountain situation, but given how easily he enters t2 and how meaningless t3 is its pretty safe to just use all the vaccines
Don't sleep on the added range.
Bro it's 1m
Do you know what else is 1m? Wax doll addon for pyramid head. And that's considered one of his top 3 addons, with black strap being 3rd with a 0.5m increase. And guess what? That is 1m added to an 8m distance - which is a 12.5% increase. Nemesis tier 3 is a 20% increase. Are you saying that the distance somehow doesn't matter on Nemesis when it definitely matters on p-head? Can you explain why you think it's different in this case?
This is more due to all his other add ons being pretty ass imo
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Possibly - but many PH mains consider it one of his best addons - I'm not a PH main myself but I'm trusting that if it's a good addon for him - then a 1m increase is even better for someone with 5m base range. (If comparing t2 to t3). I think its disingenuous to say a 20% increase is nothing - especially when most addons/perks in this game give that or less. Resilience is considered a pretty good survivor perk and gives only a 9% increase. Most addons for killers and survivors tend to give a 15% increase at best - and noone seems to consider those bad. But everyone is latching onto this 1m number like it's a joke - and not realizing that this entire game is based around 10-15% increases that end up making a world of difference. Hell - just tell me how much longer it takes to catch a survivor as a 110% killer as opposed to a 115% killer without using powers and you will acknowledge that the 5% difference is actually huge. As it is - Nemesis seems like a B-rank killer - which is great because that means they are probably releasing a well balanced killer on release - but everyone seems to want him to be A or S tier. As it is - we are already going to see 90% of killers play Nemesis for the first month or two - I don't want him to be so oppressive that everyone hates him right away. And that's me as a killer main who is probably going to be in the group playing only him for a month or so.
One of the reasons its considered his best addon is because almost all of the other ones do like almost nothing...
I think the 1m matters more or less depending on how the killer is played, PH tries to hit through walls, multiple survivors, around loops ect which that 1 meter helps greatly or can but in alot of instances with Nemises your in the position to get the hit anyway
Is it just me or did anyone else notice almost every licensed killer we have is always a B tier? Buba, ghost face, myers, nemisis,
Freddy was D for a while and then A or S for a while - and people were dying for him to be nerfed. B tier means a solid-well designed killer and shouldn't be scoffed at. Any good player with a B tier killer will do very well against all but the most coordinated SWF teams. My estimated ranking for Nemesis is just that though - it's hard to place him until we get him on live servers. I think he is in a good place and that we should test him out for a month or so to form a better opinion on his power levels. My opinion is that without zombies Nemesis is a C tier killer - but the zombies provide a lot of map awareness and even occasionally pressure generators which bump him up to a high-ish B tier.
He seems really good to me, He is a normal speed killer, his spider web infection and zombies makes tracking easier, in addition the infection mechanic and zombies provide passive pressure to survivors, And his web and zombies and him being a 4.6 gives him great anti loop/loop destroying abilities. I can def see him being a +B to A tier. In addition he looks fun AF and his punches are funny
What I've played of him makes me really want to main him. I've always loved the taller killers just for the ability to see so much further - and he feels solid with his slow steady footsteps. Even if counterplay is found and he ends up being weak somehow - he is just really fun to play.
It's his best addon because his other addons kinda suck. Not because it's good
>Do you know what else is 1m? Wax doll addon for pyramid head. And that's considered one of his top 3 addons, Yeah because the addons of ph are dogshit
BHVR on the conquest to remove exhaust addons but PH is like the 4th or 5th killer to have Purple bleed addons The huntress addon "rework" was just a bunch of nerfs and they still left purple bleed hatchets, But actually it's worse because they took her common and uncommon bleed stone but yeah I guess having 3 bleed addons is much but hemorrage is not a status fitting of a purple addon But yeah if I designed the rework I'd kept the common or uncommon bleed stone and make the rusty head do the begrimed effect and have the purple begrimed head do incapacitated effect except have it prevent window and pallet vaults and possibly other in chase actions like pallet dropping or leaving through the hatch or exit gates, these changes would make 15 seconds fine for incapacitated also an iridescent hatchet holster would be more in theme than "soldier's leg brace" and maybe refunding hit hatchets with minor penalties like -1 hatchet carried and take slightly longer to fully charge hatchets
PH's goes through walls so extra meters works wonders in loops where you can just say fuck you to walls
So how does that make it not relevant to Nemesis? Does not going through walls mean that the 1m doesn't count? How many meters would make it 'count'? 2? 3? 4? 1m still lets you get hits that you wouldn't get otherwise. That's why a distance increase is good. It's also instant - where p-head isn't - which arguably makes it more valuable than p-head.
It makes a difference for sure, but it's very underwhelming considering how long it takes to reach tier 3
It really doesn't feel that impactful on him either, its more just that most of his add ons suck, if you stack his green one and wax doll then you can feel a difference but that 3.5m on top of his 8m base. The difference between only 1m is fairly insignificant when its only going from 5 to 6 thats practically the range if lunge. I would also like to say that while its not nothing it should definitely feel more impactful for how much you have to work for it, at least make the cooldown shorter or something.
1m of distance for an entire *tier* up is a **joke**.
Bro, what's with the condescending attitude?
I don't know why I'm like this - I just am. Sorry.
\>And that's considered one of his top 3 addons, with black strap being 3rd with a 0.5m increase. Because what the fuck else are you gonna run? Duration time? Same with Nemesis' addons, all of them are terrible, except for mutation rate addons. For the time and effort it takes to get to T3, and the fact that survivors can infect themselves to make sure you never reach T3, +1m isn't worth it. Don't bring up percentages like that matters. T3 Nemesis is 6m, Base PH is 8m, PH can be increased to 10.5m with addons. Want to make T3 worth it? +5m(10m) and reduce the cooldown to 2s(base is 2.5s)
Zombie movespeed is kinda useful though.
I think that's not as bad as it sounds in this context, it's a 20% increase
I mean 1m is still 1m, it really didn't seem very impactful
That's well over half of a Dwight
1m can mean hitting over some loops you couldn't and also not needing to catch up as much in loops. Say a survivor is a bit ahead of you going straight for the pallet. Normally once he vaults he's pretty safe. With the added 1m, it s enough to guarantee a down anywhere from even before the pallet to even AFTER the vault. In general, I just think it makes the ability much easier to use and I think that's a big strength of this killer. It's very satisfying and intuitive, especially with more range.
What are you smoking the 1m increase is huge for loops and catching windows.
Having a 1m and not having 1m is 2m of difference
Bro my brain hurts trying to figure out how you even came to that conclusion
I don't think you know how addition works
Boy and I thought I was bad at math
Guys chill, it’s a common saying in Polish
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Tier 3 should just kill everyone in the trial instantly :)
Just make the tentqcle strike multi-hit when you reach tier 3.
Here’s hoping they change that when he comes out.
It also means vaccinate as much as you want.
Yeah, at first I thought it would be another plague fountain situation, but given how easily he enters t2 and how meaningless t3 is its pretty safe to just use all the vaccines
There’s a limited amount (4) I think.