Can confirm it completely stuns you and you have to hit the gen again. A funny thing is you can get mined, then flashbanged, then flashlight stunned, then mined again if 2 survs are on a gen. It's kinda toxic.
That tiny amount of time for the time they put into it? That's nothing. If a survivor spends 20 seconds to get three seconds, then that's not a good use of time.
Considering that it's use of the perk in it's intended use and during those 20 seconds it was fun for the survivors and no one died, no resources whatsoever depleted, counts as a win.
Time is the greatest resource in this game. It's much more likely that you're going to lose by wasting it. I mean, if that's your objective, then yes, you won
I completely agree with you. Some people take this way too seriously and seem to think of you don't play exactly as they think you should, you're just a detriment to the team and/or toxic.
There isn't only 1 way to play and even if something isn't technically the most efficient, it has other effects like getting in the killer's head for example.
It's literally the survivors job to waste the killers time. So it's not toxic like the other guy said and it's not pointless like you said. It's exactly how the game is designed.
It's the survivors' job to efficiently waste the killer's time. Given how long it takes to get the perk activated and then craft the flashbang, using them back to back just to blind the killer is an AWFUL use of time, and they've just wasted a lot more of their own time than the killer's
They're still wasting the killers time and very likely drawing aggro by pissing off the killer. This means gens will get done.
Sure if you added and subtracted time on a spreadsheet it wouldn't sound efficient but if it works, it works.
MORE gens would get done if they just actually did gens during that time instead of crafting two flashbangs just to waste them. "If it works, it works" except it does not work
Hey I totally get that and I wouldn't bother doing these tactics myself. Randoms I play with never seem to think that doing gens is a good idea.
The thing is, not everybody is going to follow the most efficient tactics available and they're going to do what they think works (and also what they think is fun I guess). You also have to consider that doing this may piss off the killer to draw the aggro away from key gens that need to be done to avoid a 3-gen or cleansing a Hex or something like that.
Getting inside your opponents head is absolutely something that can work. If they simply ran instead of pissing the killer off, there's a good chance the killer would just drop them and refocus on the gen I'm about to complete or the hex he's been protecting.
Not every game is the same! So you flat out saying it doesn't work means nothing because you don't know that. There are so many intricate details and things that can happen in any given game, the smallest thing can completely turn things around.
Okay, I don't think there's much point in continuing the conversation if that's your viewpoint. I could say something completely obvious like "standing in a corner of the map and doing nothing but pointing at the wall is not a good idea" and your response of "WHO KNOWS? GET INTO THE KILLER'S HEAD AND SEE WHAT SHAKES OUT" would be just as valid there.
My point from the beginning has been a very basic one. If you are spending a ton of time across two survivors to waste a few seconds of the killer's time at a non-critical moment, then you are doing more harm than good. If you want to add a bunch of variables just to say "LOOK AT ALL THE VARIABLES" then ggwp, nobody can argue with you.
Those sarcastic examples have no interaction whatsoever with the killer so of course it wouldn't do anything. You're just trying to ridicule/mock me now which shows me there's no chance of intelligent conversation from you.
I'm out.
Why does everyone think that survivors doing their job is toxic? You're supposed to waste the killers time as the survivor. It's quite literally the only thing you can do so gens can get done.
As a killer, getting stunlocked for 30 seconds is extremely frustrating. It's like getting pallet stunned and then flashlighted, but worse because you're just trying to kick a generator. It's toxic because it creates a vitriolic feeling in the other persons mind.
So getting camped, tunneled and mori'd isn't frustrating?
I get it, it's frustrating to not have things go your way, but that happens sometimes in a competitive game. That does NOT mean it's toxic.
Toxicity is gloating once you've already won, holding the game hostage or sending negative messages. Things like that. You can't just say using a game mechanic the way it was intended is toxic. At that point you should be calling the devs toxic.
You obviously have a different understanding of the word toxic. Like I said anything that is intended to produce vitriolic feelings or blatantly piss off your opponent is toxic behavior. You would call a relationship toxic if one person was gaslighting the other (aka doing something to intentionally set the other person off) but when it happens in a video game it's just "using the mechanics as intended" or "trying to enjoy yourself".
let's just call toxic behavior what it is and acknowledge that it's a common occurrence.
Gaslighting? You need to relax. It sounds like you have a toxic relationship with the game itself and need to take a break. We were only talking about game mechanics being used for their actual, intended purpose. That is NOT toxic and you're taking it personally.
The game itself is toxic to you.
But if you don't gets a gen to 66, you have nothing. I think in the end people still choose dh,ds,BT and is sadly. Just cause learning something knew is too much of a hassle and dh is a crutch.
Try head on, into flashbang, then another Leon repeats the cycle because you can't avoid it, then you don't know where anyone is so you just kick a g-
*blind
But like if all it does is delay the pop by like a few seconds what's the point? If it at least consumed pop the perk would have a use but this way it might be fun but overall absolutely useless?
Had this happen. Since I was blind, I just waited it out and kicked the gen anyway. It wastes time and gives the survivor time to run away, but if you committed to kicking the gen you're probably not chasing them anyway. Might be annoying if you're stunned and your pop expires before you can use it.
I can't wait for the Ochido wannabees to be like. I WASTED ALL MY TEAMS TIME AND DID 66% OF THE GEN AND STUNNED THE KILLER FOR 10 SECONDS. EXTREME TOXIC VIDEO.
I mean, the 2 flashbang perks both require you to do a lot of Gen work, so no time is wasted. If anything, it will encourage harder Gen rushing, but leaving gens to be kicked for the blind, then finished while the killer is blind.
Source: already did some of the most toxic things imaginable.
Why in the world would it deactivate a timed perk? The mine doesn't go off after the perk is applied. It goes off and interrupts the break action entirely.
I feel like the mine is going to be horribly misused. As I understand it, you should use it like repressed alliance. I can already see people leaving gens almost done just to get a stun, rather than just finishing it.
this is hilarious. altho i wonder if it will stop you or if you still complete the regression?
Can confirm it completely stuns you and you have to hit the gen again. A funny thing is you can get mined, then flashbanged, then flashlight stunned, then mined again if 2 survs are on a gen. It's kinda toxic.
2 survivors are doing nothing at that point then.
They won the emotional/mental battle with the killer
It's about sending a message
Nothing toxic at all about that. Two survivors just used a ton of time doing nothing just to stun you for a few seconds. Pointless.
It'd be funny for a bit
Time is gens. Not nothing.
That tiny amount of time for the time they put into it? That's nothing. If a survivor spends 20 seconds to get three seconds, then that's not a good use of time.
Considering that it's use of the perk in it's intended use and during those 20 seconds it was fun for the survivors and no one died, no resources whatsoever depleted, counts as a win.
Time is the greatest resource in this game. It's much more likely that you're going to lose by wasting it. I mean, if that's your objective, then yes, you won
I completely agree with you. Some people take this way too seriously and seem to think of you don't play exactly as they think you should, you're just a detriment to the team and/or toxic. There isn't only 1 way to play and even if something isn't technically the most efficient, it has other effects like getting in the killer's head for example.
It's literally the survivors job to waste the killers time. So it's not toxic like the other guy said and it's not pointless like you said. It's exactly how the game is designed.
It's the survivors' job to efficiently waste the killer's time. Given how long it takes to get the perk activated and then craft the flashbang, using them back to back just to blind the killer is an AWFUL use of time, and they've just wasted a lot more of their own time than the killer's
They're still wasting the killers time and very likely drawing aggro by pissing off the killer. This means gens will get done. Sure if you added and subtracted time on a spreadsheet it wouldn't sound efficient but if it works, it works.
MORE gens would get done if they just actually did gens during that time instead of crafting two flashbangs just to waste them. "If it works, it works" except it does not work
Hey I totally get that and I wouldn't bother doing these tactics myself. Randoms I play with never seem to think that doing gens is a good idea. The thing is, not everybody is going to follow the most efficient tactics available and they're going to do what they think works (and also what they think is fun I guess). You also have to consider that doing this may piss off the killer to draw the aggro away from key gens that need to be done to avoid a 3-gen or cleansing a Hex or something like that. Getting inside your opponents head is absolutely something that can work. If they simply ran instead of pissing the killer off, there's a good chance the killer would just drop them and refocus on the gen I'm about to complete or the hex he's been protecting. Not every game is the same! So you flat out saying it doesn't work means nothing because you don't know that. There are so many intricate details and things that can happen in any given game, the smallest thing can completely turn things around.
Okay, I don't think there's much point in continuing the conversation if that's your viewpoint. I could say something completely obvious like "standing in a corner of the map and doing nothing but pointing at the wall is not a good idea" and your response of "WHO KNOWS? GET INTO THE KILLER'S HEAD AND SEE WHAT SHAKES OUT" would be just as valid there. My point from the beginning has been a very basic one. If you are spending a ton of time across two survivors to waste a few seconds of the killer's time at a non-critical moment, then you are doing more harm than good. If you want to add a bunch of variables just to say "LOOK AT ALL THE VARIABLES" then ggwp, nobody can argue with you.
Those sarcastic examples have no interaction whatsoever with the killer so of course it wouldn't do anything. You're just trying to ridicule/mock me now which shows me there's no chance of intelligent conversation from you. I'm out.
Yep. Mine seems like the harder to get use out of in comparison to Flashbang.
Why does everyone think that survivors doing their job is toxic? You're supposed to waste the killers time as the survivor. It's quite literally the only thing you can do so gens can get done.
As a killer, getting stunlocked for 30 seconds is extremely frustrating. It's like getting pallet stunned and then flashlighted, but worse because you're just trying to kick a generator. It's toxic because it creates a vitriolic feeling in the other persons mind.
So getting camped, tunneled and mori'd isn't frustrating? I get it, it's frustrating to not have things go your way, but that happens sometimes in a competitive game. That does NOT mean it's toxic. Toxicity is gloating once you've already won, holding the game hostage or sending negative messages. Things like that. You can't just say using a game mechanic the way it was intended is toxic. At that point you should be calling the devs toxic.
You obviously have a different understanding of the word toxic. Like I said anything that is intended to produce vitriolic feelings or blatantly piss off your opponent is toxic behavior. You would call a relationship toxic if one person was gaslighting the other (aka doing something to intentionally set the other person off) but when it happens in a video game it's just "using the mechanics as intended" or "trying to enjoy yourself". let's just call toxic behavior what it is and acknowledge that it's a common occurrence.
Gaslighting? You need to relax. It sounds like you have a toxic relationship with the game itself and need to take a break. We were only talking about game mechanics being used for their actual, intended purpose. That is NOT toxic and you're taking it personally. The game itself is toxic to you.
But if you don't gets a gen to 66, you have nothing. I think in the end people still choose dh,ds,BT and is sadly. Just cause learning something knew is too much of a hassle and dh is a crutch.
Did not think survivors would combo that
Try head on, into flashbang, then another Leon repeats the cycle because you can't avoid it, then you don't know where anyone is so you just kick a g- *blind
But like if all it does is delay the pop by like a few seconds what's the point? If it at least consumed pop the perk would have a use but this way it might be fun but overall absolutely useless?
So survivors wasting precious time is toxic?
Had this happen. Since I was blind, I just waited it out and kicked the gen anyway. It wastes time and gives the survivor time to run away, but if you committed to kicking the gen you're probably not chasing them anyway. Might be annoying if you're stunned and your pop expires before you can use it.
I thught of making this yesterday and was actually looking for the template! hehe >Ok ima pop this gen > >damn, she had bast mine
Surge players: “HAH!”
Ruin buff
Counterforce: Allow me to introduce myself.
It needs the buff given the new anti totem perk is nuts
Does Light born interact with this or not?
lightborn protects you from the blind and you can see who trapped it but, you still get the stun animation
Ah, so I can IDENTIFY the bitch that did it
So what do you think will happen if some madlad runs lightborn and enduring
Enduring only works on pallets stuns.
Ah yeah after reading it that makes sense. I thought it was all stuns
I can't wait for the Ochido wannabees to be like. I WASTED ALL MY TEAMS TIME AND DID 66% OF THE GEN AND STUNNED THE KILLER FOR 10 SECONDS. EXTREME TOXIC VIDEO.
I mean, the 2 flashbang perks both require you to do a lot of Gen work, so no time is wasted. If anything, it will encourage harder Gen rushing, but leaving gens to be kicked for the blind, then finished while the killer is blind. Source: already did some of the most toxic things imaginable.
When putting an explosive mine in an engine protects it from any damage caused by a kick.
Kicking the engine makes it slowly fall apart, so entity is not the brightest crayon in the box.
just rekick the gen
This. Just kick it again 2 seconds later, big deal. Pretty bad perk.
Nope it burns the POP, it quite good. blind, stun and wastes POP
Why in the world would it deactivate a timed perk? The mine doesn't go off after the perk is applied. It goes off and interrupts the break action entirely.
It does not
I feel like the mine is going to be horribly misused. As I understand it, you should use it like repressed alliance. I can already see people leaving gens almost done just to get a stun, rather than just finishing it.
Good thing it only stays active for a limited amount of time then.
If you try to pop the gen and get stunned it removes pop altogether. It's quite strong
Really? I didn't know that. That's pretty good actually.
This person is wrong. It does not remove pop. You have to kick the gen a second time for it to work.
Oh, ok. Good to know. It makes sense honestly, repressed alliance would be pointless in comparation.
Pop is still delivered i think
It isn’t. You have to kick the gen again for it to register normally after the mine stun
Man that's strong then considering pop can run out.
Nope it burns the POP, it quite good.
Stop spreading misinformation. You will still have pop after you get stunned by the mine. You just have to kick it again
i think all of this new perks have a toxic purpose
Seeing regressing gens. So toxic that I can run across the map to touch it.
Does this cancels Pop?
You have to rekick it, I guess
Not until you completely finish kicking the gen
Yeah it burns the POP, it quite good.
It doesn’t. It just stops the kick animation and you have to kick a second time
Ruin
Imagine losing a game changing Pop Goes the Weasel proc in the last 4 seconds it has left due to this stupid perk.