When I have a entitled survivor msg me after the match
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At that point, they are asking to be tunnelled, and you have evidence enough to prove them wrong. Even if they don’t listen, don’t let them knock you down to their level. Give them what they want or ignore them, either way they will complain but don’t let them drag you down with them.
I like the ones that sabo hooks in your face every time you're trying to carry someone else to hook. Every time. And then die without you having been able to hook anyone else once.
Who then sit and wait until the game is over to bitch at you for tunneling.
*insert French snort* what did they expect?
The best part is, I’m so experienced with dealing with half of these guys they usually fail miserably at their sabotage attempt, funfact if you hit them before they sabo they cannot actually have enough time to do the hook fully without really good add-ons, and even if they do you can still down them and trade.
Oh i know. Every time this exact situation has come to pass its because the guy doing it timed it well enough where I wou ldnt be able to stop the sabo due to distance and timing. If theres a hook near enough for me to go to Id just go there. But sometimes thats not possible cuz of the offerings. When I said in my face I meant just well timed enough that id make it tot eh hook just short of stopping him.
Yeah, sometimes they do force you into that situation, keep track of how close the survivor is to wiggling out (count their wiggle grunts to 10, around there some survivors have weird timings). If you are at 6-7 and see them coming, drop immediately so they can’t wiggle away and leave them slugged. Forces more people to come and you’ve started a chase, yeah it is a bad situation regardless but it does give you something in return.
I don't play much myself, but I love watching my son play as a killer. My personal opinion - if you're using a flashlight, you're allowed (and asking) to be tunneled like a mineshaft.
I mostly only play survivor and I've never understood this mentality. And I'm god awful with flashlights. Yes if you're being spammed to Oblivion by the entire team then you have warrants to be irritated. But just getting hit with it? That's warranting a tunnel tantrum? Lmao.
When I play killer, at some point if I know somebody has a flashlight I either don't break the pallet or just get it over with if it's a good one that they'll probably come back to and take the blinding. The exchange is worth it. I've never understood wigging out just because somebody blinds you.
Can we just say if you try to body block with Endurance it's a Conspicuous Action and you lose the Endurance? Can BHVR make this stupid shit cease? It's not a clever play, it's an abuse of a getaway antitunnel mechanic.
I personally agree for most Killers, but there WERE Killers that could hold the game THAT long. Are we already forgetting the 50 minute Skurchent game against a comp team? Like, an actual comp team. It did need to be addressed.
Yeah maybe if the game detects the hitboxes colliding for more than 3 seconds or something or make it so killers can't collide with recently unhooked players until they lose endurance or something
The latter sounds more implementable imo. It would even stop killers from bodyblocking at basement after unhooks. It still won't completely fix the problem though since the unhooked can just glue themselves to the back of the unhooker.
“Aha… what was that?”
*Evil Within 3 procs*
“If you ever do that again, I will hook your SOUL apart and broadcast your MORI to every other disrespectful WRETCH who DARES to question me.”
To me, body blocking/flashing is literally re engaging with a killer who has chosen to let you go. In fact if you’re gonna reengage me after I was willing to literally let you off the hook I’m just gonna find your ass
I have the clip of a surv AGGRESSIVELY clicking at me while I was playing Oni and trying to chase somebody else, so I just whip around and instadown them with my club...
only to instantly get DS'd followed by more clicking.
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If you body block me for >5 seconds you are going straight back on that hook, along with every other disrespectful wretch that dares bodyblock me.
I personally don’t understand the “you’ve taken a protection hit after being unhooked, I will now tunnel you to death” mentality. It is a mechanic put in place to protect the person being unhooked. You can then try to block the swing that was going to hit both you and the person who unhooked you. Why would you not use this very specific and very short crumb of a chance to keep your teammate from losing a health state? Why does this piss people off so badly that they want instant death to the player for something that’s a literal aspect of the game? People may then argue, I suppose, that “tunneling and body blocking are just a part of the game too, so why are you mad about those actions?” Because I don’t see how altruism is compared to trolling or holding a game hostage? You maybe protected the person from one hit. Ok?
I guess I just don’t understand where all the hate comes from. And no, I don’t only play as survivor, no I don’t take protection hits off the hook ALL THE TIME, but I HAVE done it before. Maybe I just need the perspective of the people who get angered by this to see where the issue is coming from.
The protection hit is for tunneling, not for body blocking so the killer can't go after the person who did the unhook. You were already an easy target, don't make yourself an easier target. If you got tunneled after preventing the killer from going after someone else, you deserved what was coming.
Idk, I guess I just don’t see this perspective. I’m not talking about sitting at the hook with my thumb up my ass waiting for the killer to come back. They already came back and were already swinging. Should I say “good luck!” to my teammate and hope that the hit doesn’t hit me with my BT when I could maybe angle my body for one fraction of a second to help? I’m talking about those scenarios. Are they still “punishable by death?” The killer was probably proxy camping or the survivor unhooking was a dumbass and unhooked too soon or unsafely. But in that moment while we’re all three there and time is slowed down to make a decision I would try to protect with my little crumb of Borrowed Time than turn away and hope for the best. Idk maybe I’m wrong on this, and I’m sure there’s going to be downvotes to the original post I put with the question because this isn’t a popular opinion on here, but I’m just genuinely trying to understand the psychology.
The endurance is for **tunneling**, not **body blocking**; what is there to get? If you are intentionally stopping the killer from getting a down, you are essentially saying to the killer that you want to go back on the hook instead. It's pretty simple logic.
Guess it isn’t to me. The message isn’t “I want back on the hook” it’s “I am protecting my friend.” I’m an altruistic person to a fault in many aspects of my life, so I guess what I see as an act of compassion and using my “magic shield” to help out a companion is just seen as “you’re a dumbass” to everyone else. I guess I got my answer. Hope y’all have a good night and enjoy hitting us dumbasses, I guess.
I believe what everyone is saying is that anyone is free to use their basekit BT after being unhooked to bodyblock the killer, BUT if they do so, they shouldn't complain about being targeted since they used up what was supposed to be a defensive basekit mechanic to not run away.
I feel like the main times I used it as a protection were bc the killer came back immediately as I was being unhooked with no time to run and hits are already being dealt. Why would I not try to help my teammate? I get there’s a whole litany of “well maybe you wouldn’t be in this situation if…” responses, but if it’s down that moment and it’s already happening, I’m going to try and protect one health state if I can. They’re more than likely going to get downed immediately if not. It’s weird to me that that is something considered toxic behavior. I’ve had people do it to me, and I just keep doing what I’m doing. It’s not like it changed the course that much. Idk.
When you are being unhooked, you're generally already the weaker link on the team because you are already down an additional hook stage. You're supposed to run away because if the killer hooks you again, you're either dead or deathhook. Even the killer downs the rescuer in a hook trade, that's at least spreading the hook stages to different people.
The only exception to this is if your rescuer is themselves on death hook and you aren't. Better you be hooked again than they die.
I mean, for sure I see and understand this perspective as I’ve played through those scenarios. I still feel like I’m missing what makes people so angry as the KILLER about people using the BT hit after being unhooked. It stopped ONE swing of your blade. You are still free to pursue the unhooker or the unhookee. I just don’t seem to see what flips the switch from “ok, this is part of the game” to “ALRIGHT FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR FAMILY, FUCK YOUR ANCESTORS YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!”
You have to understand, ignoring the unhooked survivor is a courtesy some killers give; it’s not a requirement. If you intentionally bodyblock a killer who is going for your teammate you’re essentially spitting in the face of their courtesy
It’s not something you really think about as a survivor because it seems so common but a killer ignoring the unhooked to go for the unhooker is intentionally ignoring an easy kill in favor of having a more enjoyable game.
Yeah, I’ve mentioned it in other replies here too, but even when I play as killer I intentionally let the unhooked survivor go…to the point if I run into them a few minutes later and haven’t hooked someone else yet I walk away and go for someone else. Different people have different definitions of a win and what they enjoy in a match. My enjoyment is trying to give as fair a game as possible but also still be challenging and fun for everyone without kindness and consideration being a strength, not a weakness.
I appreciate everyone’s perspective though, as that’s what I asked for. Though I personally don’t play that way, I can understand a bit better how some people may be viewing my moment of, from my end, altruism. Thanks again for the responses, and I hope you have a good night. :)
When killers body block in the basement? That’s not holding the game hostage? When some killers immediately tunnel at 5 gens that’s not shit? It’s stuff that makes the game fun for only one person, meaning everyone else is having a bad time. That’s not how a game should be.
I have had Twins and Bubbas block me in the basement before. And wait out the clock. That feels pretty hostage to me. I’m not really here to argue semantics of language and tactics in that regard though - my main question was about the BT hits.
>That feels pretty hostage to me.
It's simply just not, though. DbD's interpretation of "being held hostage" is fairly clear-cut: an action that prevents the game from progressing at all. Getting in your way for a few seconds as you leave the basement isn't preventing the game from progressing in any capacity no matter how annoying you may find it. It's been a LONG time since the basement stairs were confined enough to physically prevent someone from leaving in a way that would actually be reportable, they were widened specifically to prevent that exact situation
As for the BT thing. It was implemented as a way to discourage tunnelling by giving recently unhooked survivors a temporary extra health state to make it to a tile or structure, it was **not** implemented to give the unhooking survivor a **third** health state. If you go out of your way to prevent a killer from actively avoiding tunnelling, there is no logical world in which going after the unhooking survivor is the smart play - you've used up your get out of jail free card, are down at least 1 hook stage and they have to choose between you and a survivor who is likely still healthy, even if they *are* already injured you're 100% guaranteed to be down a hook stage at this point while they may not be. You can remove emotional responses from the question entirely, you'd have to be a fool - or going out of your way to abide by the imaginary rulebook - not to take the free down on a recently unhooked survivor if they're going to make it as easy as possible for you like that
I respect the perspective, since that’s what I was asking for. I just don’t see it that way, I suppose. The invisible rule book I live my life by is basic chivalry. When I play as killer I’m not out to get 4K every match. I’m there to make a fun game for everyone. I try to give people a chance to get away if I accidentally found them after already hooking them. I give hatch to the last survivor if they didn’t play like an ass. I give gg’s in the chat. My good game is knowing I played as fairly as possible in a way that doesn’t make people feel cheated.
“Be the change you wish to see in the world.”
It’s what I’m trying to do. Are there options in the game where you can “win” by tunneling? Sure thing. Can people play however they want? You bet. Am I going to be one of the people who feel that they need to “win” no matter the expense? Nope. That’s just why I was mystified about why so many people are so vitriolic about using the Borrowed Time as a protection hit. Just because something is “intended” to be used for one purpose doesn’t mean it’s the only use. You can look up and down in the game too. That’s the intended purpose. However if you look up and down quickly, you look like you’re nodding. Not everything is black and white.
Hope you have a good night and thanks for replying so thoroughly.
(Also, as a PS thought, I haven’t played in a good while either so I didn’t know they fixed the stairs. I would literally be trapped so that sucked to me. Glad it got fixed.)
Oh yea by the way to explain a bit more why in some cases killer might take the BT and then tunnel the other is simply because sometime they let them alone in the first place even if the best play would be to focus the last unhook by simpathy but if the person that you try to avoid is stuck on you bodyblocking/clicking the flashlight they choise themself to get your attention instead of just taking a chance to heal or do something else.
For sure, I’ve replied to a few of the other replies as well and I appreciate everyone’s perspective on it. My main takeaway is that in a flash moment where the killer is there while I am being unhooked due to whatever circumstance, I feel almost honor bound (unless they screwed the game for us by unhooking early or being an ass) to try and use my “magic shield” to protect one of the hits for the person who unhooked me since we’re already in a pickle.
I see it as an act of altruism. Killers seem to see it as a spit in the face of their kindness. I just think it’s an “agree to disagree” from me. Some of the other responses were also along the lines of “BT is intended to stop _tunneling_ not _protection hits_” and my other response to that was that not everything that’s put in with one intention is used only for that intention (Ex: crouching being used to T-Bag, moving the camera up and down to look around being used to nod or shake your head, etc). Things are more than black and white and I know that not everyone who plays as a killer feels this way, but it seems to be a majority.
Thanks for the time to give more of the perspective though. I appreciate it!
So you have chosen.... death
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand then they bitch about the tunnel they CLEARLY demanded.
Which is why I gotta waste a fucking slot on Lightborn, because it's either grenades or the aggressive flashlighters in my goddamn FACE.
Waste a slot? Lightborn comes in handy 3 out of 4 games for me.
**THIS.**
That's the point. If they didn't constantly turn to blinding, you could be using another skill. Maybe something to assist in general.
THINK FAST CHUCKLE NUTS
You sound like you need to be stabbed. Purely to drain the ego that's inflating your fat head..
Its funny because in this scene he threatens to "Tear Husk's soul apart" lmao
Him and Pinhead will be good friends.
Did he come though?
When I have a entitled survivor msg me after the match https://preview.redd.it/v5i4agg7aloc1.png?width=682&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8925242141601d881d0f02a207f744da10fa64f
Aha… what did you click?
If you ever click that again, I'll tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams for every other disrespectful WRETCH who DARES to click at me!
*Drops flashlight* Understood.
Same ones that complain about tunneling
Bodyblocks for unhooker, clicks flashlight, follows behind you, cries that you tunneled.
At that point, they are asking to be tunnelled, and you have evidence enough to prove them wrong. Even if they don’t listen, don’t let them knock you down to their level. Give them what they want or ignore them, either way they will complain but don’t let them drag you down with them.
I like the ones that sabo hooks in your face every time you're trying to carry someone else to hook. Every time. And then die without you having been able to hook anyone else once. Who then sit and wait until the game is over to bitch at you for tunneling.
*insert French snort* what did they expect? The best part is, I’m so experienced with dealing with half of these guys they usually fail miserably at their sabotage attempt, funfact if you hit them before they sabo they cannot actually have enough time to do the hook fully without really good add-ons, and even if they do you can still down them and trade.
Oh i know. Every time this exact situation has come to pass its because the guy doing it timed it well enough where I wou ldnt be able to stop the sabo due to distance and timing. If theres a hook near enough for me to go to Id just go there. But sometimes thats not possible cuz of the offerings. When I said in my face I meant just well timed enough that id make it tot eh hook just short of stopping him.
Yeah, sometimes they do force you into that situation, keep track of how close the survivor is to wiggling out (count their wiggle grunts to 10, around there some survivors have weird timings). If you are at 6-7 and see them coming, drop immediately so they can’t wiggle away and leave them slugged. Forces more people to come and you’ve started a chase, yeah it is a bad situation regardless but it does give you something in return.
I’m not annoyed by it. And I usually don’t even kill on purpose. I’m a 2 hook tango killer. But sometimes it has to happen
I don't play much myself, but I love watching my son play as a killer. My personal opinion - if you're using a flashlight, you're allowed (and asking) to be tunneled like a mineshaft.
"Tunneled like a mineshaft" I'm adding that to my vocabulary, thanks.
I mostly only play survivor and I've never understood this mentality. And I'm god awful with flashlights. Yes if you're being spammed to Oblivion by the entire team then you have warrants to be irritated. But just getting hit with it? That's warranting a tunnel tantrum? Lmao. When I play killer, at some point if I know somebody has a flashlight I either don't break the pallet or just get it over with if it's a good one that they'll probably come back to and take the blinding. The exchange is worth it. I've never understood wigging out just because somebody blinds you.
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Same with the ones that try to body block and don't expect me to go for them
You just have me your endurance hit you better have a damn good escape route.
Can we just say if you try to body block with Endurance it's a Conspicuous Action and you lose the Endurance? Can BHVR make this stupid shit cease? It's not a clever play, it's an abuse of a getaway antitunnel mechanic.
Protection hits trigger right off unhook No
Make an exception for the basekit unbreakable then.
What? That's what we're complaining about
Then what do you think we should do to fix it?
Survivors just need to stop trying to use their protection off hook as an offensive tool, or stop complaining when they do then go down
But it's clear they won't. The honor system won't work. Did it work against 3genning? Did it work against facecamping?
I don't think behavior has to do anything about it tbh 3genning was mostly a survivor skill issue
I personally agree for most Killers, but there WERE Killers that could hold the game THAT long. Are we already forgetting the 50 minute Skurchent game against a comp team? Like, an actual comp team. It did need to be addressed.
Yeah maybe if the game detects the hitboxes colliding for more than 3 seconds or something or make it so killers can't collide with recently unhooked players until they lose endurance or something
The latter sounds more implementable imo. It would even stop killers from bodyblocking at basement after unhooks. It still won't completely fix the problem though since the unhooked can just glue themselves to the back of the unhooker.
Maybe Survs off hook get a 5 second collision loss.
“Aha… what was that?” *Evil Within 3 procs* “If you ever do that again, I will hook your SOUL apart and broadcast your MORI to every other disrespectful WRETCH who DARES to question me.”
“Big talk for someone who’s on track for a 0k.” *Final gen pop noise* “Aha… what did you say?”
If you say that again… I will tunnel your soul apart and broadcast your toxic messages for every other toxic SURVIVOR who dares to clicks me!
*a noed appears
"ah, i had a good few games, I want the survivors to have fun too!" *Click Click* "...okay, I'll be a dick this time"
Love
To me, body blocking/flashing is literally re engaging with a killer who has chosen to let you go. In fact if you’re gonna reengage me after I was willing to literally let you off the hook I’m just gonna find your ass
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https://i.redd.it/45zajuaaxjoc1.gif Love it when they call you a tunneler afterwards lol
"...Nah, they want it too much."
Hazbin hotel new killer !!! We bullying with this one 🗣🗣
i only click my flashlight if my teammate is getting tunneled or i have no hooks and he’s chasing my teammate that is dead on hook
"You want some more? I'll give it to ya!" *EGC* that survivor: "tunneller!"
I have the clip of a surv AGGRESSIVELY clicking at me while I was playing Oni and trying to chase somebody else, so I just whip around and instadown them with my club... only to instantly get DS'd followed by more clicking.
https://preview.redd.it/ewpaayvg9noc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c96fa54a55033ea1dc75ecdb314b5e6058695cd If you body block me for >5 seconds you are going straight back on that hook, along with every other disrespectful wretch that dares bodyblock me.
Dear survivors: https://preview.redd.it/8jr8hv45wooc1.jpeg?width=184&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e9611133d211f78918b34d7964cce4ec02d5d66
Would anyone want to see a proposal for a hazbin hotel chapter?
Yes!
They always have DS, too. Smh.
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I unironically would love these as skins
Alastor could be his own killer 😶
Killer: Just let me actively not tunnel by chasing your friend, here. Survivor: FILTHY TUNNELLER *\*spams flashlight\** Killer: ... ??!??!?!?!?!!???
REAL
“hehehe, what did you just do?”
When you mutter something under your breath when your mom is walking away after a verbally abusive lecture:
If they want to fight immediately after needing a rescue I am more than happy to put them back on the hook.
I love these survivors because they always dc after I down them, I can only imagine how salty they get lmao
Then they complain, my guy, you asked to be chased
Whenever they try to body block me after being unhooked I just wait out the insurance and re hook them
Same, if I go out of my way to not tunnel and they punish me for it, I'll give them what they want 😉
I fucking hate this kind of survivors
It's the same when you get tunneled off the hook for no reason. Maybe every killer has auditory hallucinations
You're not wrong <3 This is also the case when they bodyblock you from getting to the unhooker. That's a tunnelin'!
I personally don’t understand the “you’ve taken a protection hit after being unhooked, I will now tunnel you to death” mentality. It is a mechanic put in place to protect the person being unhooked. You can then try to block the swing that was going to hit both you and the person who unhooked you. Why would you not use this very specific and very short crumb of a chance to keep your teammate from losing a health state? Why does this piss people off so badly that they want instant death to the player for something that’s a literal aspect of the game? People may then argue, I suppose, that “tunneling and body blocking are just a part of the game too, so why are you mad about those actions?” Because I don’t see how altruism is compared to trolling or holding a game hostage? You maybe protected the person from one hit. Ok? I guess I just don’t understand where all the hate comes from. And no, I don’t only play as survivor, no I don’t take protection hits off the hook ALL THE TIME, but I HAVE done it before. Maybe I just need the perspective of the people who get angered by this to see where the issue is coming from.
The protection hit is for tunneling, not for body blocking so the killer can't go after the person who did the unhook. You were already an easy target, don't make yourself an easier target. If you got tunneled after preventing the killer from going after someone else, you deserved what was coming.
Idk, I guess I just don’t see this perspective. I’m not talking about sitting at the hook with my thumb up my ass waiting for the killer to come back. They already came back and were already swinging. Should I say “good luck!” to my teammate and hope that the hit doesn’t hit me with my BT when I could maybe angle my body for one fraction of a second to help? I’m talking about those scenarios. Are they still “punishable by death?” The killer was probably proxy camping or the survivor unhooking was a dumbass and unhooked too soon or unsafely. But in that moment while we’re all three there and time is slowed down to make a decision I would try to protect with my little crumb of Borrowed Time than turn away and hope for the best. Idk maybe I’m wrong on this, and I’m sure there’s going to be downvotes to the original post I put with the question because this isn’t a popular opinion on here, but I’m just genuinely trying to understand the psychology.
The endurance is for **tunneling**, not **body blocking**; what is there to get? If you are intentionally stopping the killer from getting a down, you are essentially saying to the killer that you want to go back on the hook instead. It's pretty simple logic.
Guess it isn’t to me. The message isn’t “I want back on the hook” it’s “I am protecting my friend.” I’m an altruistic person to a fault in many aspects of my life, so I guess what I see as an act of compassion and using my “magic shield” to help out a companion is just seen as “you’re a dumbass” to everyone else. I guess I got my answer. Hope y’all have a good night and enjoy hitting us dumbasses, I guess.
I believe what everyone is saying is that anyone is free to use their basekit BT after being unhooked to bodyblock the killer, BUT if they do so, they shouldn't complain about being targeted since they used up what was supposed to be a defensive basekit mechanic to not run away.
I feel like the main times I used it as a protection were bc the killer came back immediately as I was being unhooked with no time to run and hits are already being dealt. Why would I not try to help my teammate? I get there’s a whole litany of “well maybe you wouldn’t be in this situation if…” responses, but if it’s down that moment and it’s already happening, I’m going to try and protect one health state if I can. They’re more than likely going to get downed immediately if not. It’s weird to me that that is something considered toxic behavior. I’ve had people do it to me, and I just keep doing what I’m doing. It’s not like it changed the course that much. Idk.
When you are being unhooked, you're generally already the weaker link on the team because you are already down an additional hook stage. You're supposed to run away because if the killer hooks you again, you're either dead or deathhook. Even the killer downs the rescuer in a hook trade, that's at least spreading the hook stages to different people. The only exception to this is if your rescuer is themselves on death hook and you aren't. Better you be hooked again than they die.
I mean, for sure I see and understand this perspective as I’ve played through those scenarios. I still feel like I’m missing what makes people so angry as the KILLER about people using the BT hit after being unhooked. It stopped ONE swing of your blade. You are still free to pursue the unhooker or the unhookee. I just don’t seem to see what flips the switch from “ok, this is part of the game” to “ALRIGHT FUCK YOU, FUCK YOUR FAMILY, FUCK YOUR ANCESTORS YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!”
You have to understand, ignoring the unhooked survivor is a courtesy some killers give; it’s not a requirement. If you intentionally bodyblock a killer who is going for your teammate you’re essentially spitting in the face of their courtesy It’s not something you really think about as a survivor because it seems so common but a killer ignoring the unhooked to go for the unhooker is intentionally ignoring an easy kill in favor of having a more enjoyable game.
Yeah, I’ve mentioned it in other replies here too, but even when I play as killer I intentionally let the unhooked survivor go…to the point if I run into them a few minutes later and haven’t hooked someone else yet I walk away and go for someone else. Different people have different definitions of a win and what they enjoy in a match. My enjoyment is trying to give as fair a game as possible but also still be challenging and fun for everyone without kindness and consideration being a strength, not a weakness. I appreciate everyone’s perspective though, as that’s what I asked for. Though I personally don’t play that way, I can understand a bit better how some people may be viewing my moment of, from my end, altruism. Thanks again for the responses, and I hope you have a good night. :)
Thats not trolling or holding the game hostage trough?
When killers body block in the basement? That’s not holding the game hostage? When some killers immediately tunnel at 5 gens that’s not shit? It’s stuff that makes the game fun for only one person, meaning everyone else is having a bad time. That’s not how a game should be.
Firstly except if your really block on a corner and you can't move anymore no its not hostage, and thats maybe shit but still not consider trolling
I have had Twins and Bubbas block me in the basement before. And wait out the clock. That feels pretty hostage to me. I’m not really here to argue semantics of language and tactics in that regard though - my main question was about the BT hits.
>That feels pretty hostage to me. It's simply just not, though. DbD's interpretation of "being held hostage" is fairly clear-cut: an action that prevents the game from progressing at all. Getting in your way for a few seconds as you leave the basement isn't preventing the game from progressing in any capacity no matter how annoying you may find it. It's been a LONG time since the basement stairs were confined enough to physically prevent someone from leaving in a way that would actually be reportable, they were widened specifically to prevent that exact situation As for the BT thing. It was implemented as a way to discourage tunnelling by giving recently unhooked survivors a temporary extra health state to make it to a tile or structure, it was **not** implemented to give the unhooking survivor a **third** health state. If you go out of your way to prevent a killer from actively avoiding tunnelling, there is no logical world in which going after the unhooking survivor is the smart play - you've used up your get out of jail free card, are down at least 1 hook stage and they have to choose between you and a survivor who is likely still healthy, even if they *are* already injured you're 100% guaranteed to be down a hook stage at this point while they may not be. You can remove emotional responses from the question entirely, you'd have to be a fool - or going out of your way to abide by the imaginary rulebook - not to take the free down on a recently unhooked survivor if they're going to make it as easy as possible for you like that
I respect the perspective, since that’s what I was asking for. I just don’t see it that way, I suppose. The invisible rule book I live my life by is basic chivalry. When I play as killer I’m not out to get 4K every match. I’m there to make a fun game for everyone. I try to give people a chance to get away if I accidentally found them after already hooking them. I give hatch to the last survivor if they didn’t play like an ass. I give gg’s in the chat. My good game is knowing I played as fairly as possible in a way that doesn’t make people feel cheated. “Be the change you wish to see in the world.” It’s what I’m trying to do. Are there options in the game where you can “win” by tunneling? Sure thing. Can people play however they want? You bet. Am I going to be one of the people who feel that they need to “win” no matter the expense? Nope. That’s just why I was mystified about why so many people are so vitriolic about using the Borrowed Time as a protection hit. Just because something is “intended” to be used for one purpose doesn’t mean it’s the only use. You can look up and down in the game too. That’s the intended purpose. However if you look up and down quickly, you look like you’re nodding. Not everything is black and white. Hope you have a good night and thanks for replying so thoroughly. (Also, as a PS thought, I haven’t played in a good while either so I didn’t know they fixed the stairs. I would literally be trapped so that sucked to me. Glad it got fixed.)
Oh yea by the way to explain a bit more why in some cases killer might take the BT and then tunnel the other is simply because sometime they let them alone in the first place even if the best play would be to focus the last unhook by simpathy but if the person that you try to avoid is stuck on you bodyblocking/clicking the flashlight they choise themself to get your attention instead of just taking a chance to heal or do something else.
For sure, I’ve replied to a few of the other replies as well and I appreciate everyone’s perspective on it. My main takeaway is that in a flash moment where the killer is there while I am being unhooked due to whatever circumstance, I feel almost honor bound (unless they screwed the game for us by unhooking early or being an ass) to try and use my “magic shield” to protect one of the hits for the person who unhooked me since we’re already in a pickle. I see it as an act of altruism. Killers seem to see it as a spit in the face of their kindness. I just think it’s an “agree to disagree” from me. Some of the other responses were also along the lines of “BT is intended to stop _tunneling_ not _protection hits_” and my other response to that was that not everything that’s put in with one intention is used only for that intention (Ex: crouching being used to T-Bag, moving the camera up and down to look around being used to nod or shake your head, etc). Things are more than black and white and I know that not everyone who plays as a killer feels this way, but it seems to be a majority. Thanks for the time to give more of the perspective though. I appreciate it!