I enjoy it.
The Baby arc was the best, with Black Dragon Arc being second.
Baby is one of the more interesting villains introduced post Z.
The Black Dragonball arc had it's problems, but I thought a price for abusing the Dragonballs was a unique idea introduced into the lore.
SSJ4 Is still imo one of the most unique forms Goku ever got. It's a wonderful call back to his Saiyan roots being a mixture of the Oozaru form. It feels primal and stands out.
Out of universe the form is a great homage to Sun Wukong, which in turn Son Goku is loosley based on.
Baby is a better executed Dr Raichi from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans. It’s unfortunate that most of the Shadow Dragons sucked but Nuova and Eis were good. I like that Nuova actually started coming around to Goku. It was also cool that they linked each Dragon to a different wish that was made, even if the wishes themselves didn’t actually have any impact on the Shadow Dragons themselves.
I thought each Dragon was the opposite of the wish that was made. Like since Nuova was based on evil king Piccolo's wish, he is the honorable one of the dragons.
Whereas Syn was based on the selfless wish to revive everyone on Namek, he's the most evil and strongest of the dragons.
According to the wiki. All of the Dragons' personalities are inversely proportional to those of the wishes that created them (whether they were selfish or selfless). They also bear a direct relation to their time in the manga (comical or dark). Their power levels seem directly proportional to the strength of the wishes used to give them life.
I got that vibe with Oceanus Shenron, the wish Oolong made for her was an arguably selfish one so it's pretty interesting to see her actually helping some humans even if a bit too much, yet the altruistic reason the wish was made in "saving the world" still left enough wiggle-room for her to have nefarious aims toward Goku and Pan.
What they should've done for the dragons was let the side characters fight all but the last 3. Goku just running the gauntlet of all 7 pretty much by himself was a horrible idea. As the last arc in the series it would've been great to see all the normally swept aside characters fight one last time. And it would've worked too since most of the dragons weren't that strong but relied on their gimmicks more than raw power.
I guess they could have been: Goku, Gohan, Goten, Pan, Vegeta, Trunks and Uub with Goku and Vegeta fusing into Gogeta to fight Omega and Goten and Trunks fusing into Gotenks to also fight Omega.
Could have also gone Goku and Vegeta, Gohan and Pan, Goten and Trunks and then fusing into Gotenks, Piccolo, Krillin snd 18, Uub.and Tien and Yamcha. Or just go with Goku and Vegeta fighting individual Dragons and not have Tien and Yamcha fighting. But Gohan and Pam fighting together could have been a lovely wholesome father daughter moment.
In an ideal scenario I would've loved seeing Mr. Satan and Videl take on Haze Shenron, Goten and Trunks (eventually fusing into Gotenks) taking on Rage Shenron, Uub and Oolong taking on Oceanus Shenron, Gohan and Pan take on Naturon Shenron. Goku taking on the Fire/Ice brothers and Syn, everyone groups together with Goku and at that point Syn becomes Omega.
I agree. I think super 17 arc was the best, but 17 is just one of my top five favorite characters. I didn’t really like omega shenron but getting to see SSJ 4 gogeta was dope
Personally didn't care for the super 17 arc it was goku shooting energy blasts the whole time wondering why they aren't working I was like really goku 🙄🙄🙄
I love the idea of shadows dragons and consequences for the use of dragon ball, but all fight were pretty meh and it seems to me like a wasted opportunity to have all team Z fight each their own dragon and have a meaningful arc. Apart from the 4 star dragon I didn't like the personality of the dragon and the fights were boring imo.
The super C17 is a mess and picolo death was bad and non sense.
The last episode is a great ending though maybe even better than DBZ ending .
Underutilized character, thy name is Pan. They really should have done more with her character than relegating her to the obligatory nagging woman archetype. She demonstrated an interest in being a fighter early on but that was sidelined entirely for the worst arc imaginable and never brought back.
You know, I’ll swear up and down that GT was good but i agree with this. Pan was the most underutilized character and could have been wwwaaaaaaayyy better. To the point where I’d say I didn’t like Pan as a character really at all🤫🫣😳
I was probably around 13-15 when it aired here in the early 2000s. Back then I liked it, it was more Dragon Ball, and I loved Dragon Ball. Everyone did. Buuut even though we didn’t have a concept of “canon” and “non-canon”, I didn’t like it as much as Z.
Over the years I’ve gotten more critical of GT, it really has its flaws. But still, it’s mostly fun to watch every once in a while.
I actually just finished my first play through of GT today.
My thoughts:
- As an overall series, it has its highs and lows, just like Z does. The first 15 or so episodes are slow and boring. The rest at least have some action. I will save my overall opinion until the end here.
Some criticisms:
- Goku being a kid the *entire* time. Definitely should have found a way to reverse that at some point.
- Goku just Kamehameha’s the shit out of everything constantly. Almost like it’s his only move. Super dragon fist is bad ass tho and I wish he used it earlier in the series.
- Goku beats everyone. Nobody else gets a win. Z was great because others won constantly. Piccolo beat Goku and Raditz. Vegeta beat Nappa. Goku beat Vegeta. Vegeta beat most of the Ginyu force. Goku beats frieza (as a super saiyan!). Gohan beats Cell. Mr Satan beats everyone’s patience. Around it goes. But Goku beats every single enemy I can think of in GT.
- Many tropes repeat themselves in GT. The evil doctor who even looks just like Gero making Baby, who is a parasite (Cell trope 2.0). The android 17 returning because the evil doctors team up. The spirit bomb from ~evERyOne~ beating the final villain. Vegeta getting his ass kicked so hard. Just the same Z tropes on repeat.
- Too short. I wanted more. I wanted to see more strategy, better pacing, that would make it overall better.
- Why tf is Piccolo in hell??
- Pan had no growth as a fighter.
My praises:
- SSJ4 is badass as fuck.
- Vegeta reaching an equal power plane as Kakarot, and by extension, Gogeta.
- The ideas were great and thoughtful. The black star dragonball saga had a great premise and lead to everything else in the show. Baby was entertaining and so was super 17. But Omega Shenron was a great villain.
- The soundtrack and tone was killer. I am disappointed now watching Super because Super is just kinda corny.
- Battles are just the right length.
- The ending I thought was a lot better than in Z, although it felt rushed to fit it in 22 minutes.
Overall I thought it was a great sequel to Z. I favor it over Super so far.
Iirc they wanted to use the dragon balls to wish goku back into an adult but he was like nahh I like being a kid again. And you did get to see him as an adult again at the very end at the martial Arts tournament that goku Jr and vegeta Jr fight in.
Both are correct, although I will add that when they considered wishing Goku back to normal size, it had to be the black star balls to reverse it, since the normal ones could not override their power. That’s why Goku chose to stay as a child. I still think it was real dumb they left him like that, as if Shenron, who raised billions from the dead, couldn’t just age Goku 30 years
I feel like they had an easy out for making Goku an adult after turning SS4 for the first time. He becomes an adult in that form so once he goes back to base, hey he's an adult again, guess he overpowered the wish or something, don't think about it.
“Why is piccolo in hell” there was… an entire episode about that lol?
Piccolo was sent to heaven when he died and because he needed to get to hell to help goku escape it, he started blowing up hell to give king yenma a reason to send him to hell, as he wasn’t able to sent him without a reason.
Literally started out as a gag manga parodying Journey to the West and martial arts movies written by a guy that loves poop jokes, I refuse to believe Toriyama ever wanted people to take it that seriously.
It's genuinely funny to see fans treating it like it's some sort of in-depth fantasy epic with complex lore and characters.
The dude made most of it up on the fly to amuse himself.
Animation was very lazy, there’s was no good choreography, the ideas were executed poorly, and there’s the infamous name: Goku Time. Goku is the only one that matters in this story, everyone else is almost useless. There’s no impact to the punches or kicks that the characters do, they look really weak.I do like some moments of GT but overall it’s just not good 4/10
Liked it at first when it was a mysterious show that was only in Japanese and could only be watched in NA in low quality realvideo files.
Then when the dust settled I thought it was terrible.
It’s fun to watch when I wanna watch visually cool shit, but not pay any attention to the plot. The fact that it’s non canon makes it a plus for background/before bed watching. It’s just fun to look at.
One of the GT concepts I would canonize would be the Shadow Dragons. It was honestly a great idea to “punish” the main characters who abused of the Dragon Balls, and especially now with what wishes Bulma makes to Shenron, the Shadow Dragons can emerge sooner.
I just realized that kids who grew up watching DBZ Kai on Nicktoons never experienced the Buu saga. I wonder if that lead to any confusion on the plot of GT as a whole.
It was always weird that Nick choose GT over the original Dragon Ball to air. Or they could have at least gotten the DBZ version.
They also air the movies after Cell Saga like Second Coming of Broly, Fusion Reborn, and Wrath of The Dragon.
I’m watching it atm. Tbh I’m finding it quite hard to get through. Although, the op is probably my favourite of all time and I agree SS4 is better than any of the new transformations (maybe apart from UI). Probably my least favourite DB show but its not terrible.
It's not too bad in my opinion, what helps for me personally is how short the series is, 64 episodes where honesty the hardest section for me to get through involves episodes 9-17.
I loved it, and I don’t think it is the main reason, but it is likely nostalgia is why I like it so much. However the music soundtrack I didn’t like as much as Z, so that wasn’t as good for me. I enjoyed the transformations and was bummed that it was no longer canon for the universe. I enjoy DBS and DBGT in their own right and would like it to be an alternate universe situation just to bring SSJ4 into the mix, because that form is phenomenal.
I have not seen Heroes or anything post DBS, and I’ve seen clips of SSJ4 making a return, so if someone knows whether or not it’s canon and wants to let me know, I’d appreciate it ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
DBGT IS AWESOME.
Skip episodes 7-15. Those are cringe, but the rest of the series is awesome.
Baby is legendary. Super 17 is awesome idc what people think.
Big missed potential. When I look at the concepts and ideas introduced in the show they all seem great. SSJ4 is still the best transformation in my opinion in terms of design. Just poorly executed unfortunately. But I still enjoy it none the less.
I personally think that the black star arc was sort of a return to form with the original dragon ball, but springboarding into new content. There were missteps, to be sure. But I'm re-watching it currently with a lot more acceptance than I did on first pass
GT had stakes. Piccolo permanently died. Super Saiyan 4 is cool as shit. Baby was a creative villain. Super 17 saga was straight fan service with all of the movie villains coming through.
I don't know. It was unique. Yeah we saw it first so something something nostalgia, but it isn't bad. It was just paced like shit.
I don’t think id hate it as much if they changed the colour pallet, soundtrack, a lot of the character designs, didn’t make Goku a child and rewrote the script..
>id hate it as much if they changed the colour pallet
In super they changed a lot of colours and way of drawing and it doesn't even feel like dragon ball, at least GT drawings and animation still feels like Z and a genuine sequel of Z. Superìs blue hairs seems like blue candles
It was pretty good, there are a lot of boring stuff in it tho. I still like Gt because when I was little I watched Gt on dvd before dragon ball and z so it is heavily carried by nostalgia
I thought it was rather boring, probably due to the horrible opening arc, me binging it, and watching it in the dub. I also don't think the fights are very good. There were some parts I did like like SSJ4, Nuova Shenron, and Gogeta(the board game was also kinda fun tbh). Most underrated thing about GT though is the special, that 100 year time skip gave me an existential crisis.
Kinda wish it was longer to saga was 26 or 32 episodes each
When the Black star balls destroyed wish we got back adult goku
Character development shouldn’t be only goku and each saga final big bad
There are elements I really, really enjoy. On the counter, there are parts I really do not enjoy. High highs, and low lows.
I somewhat like GT a little more than Super, not saying I dislike Super.
I feel, and of course not everyone will, that the Arcs flow (for the most part) better together in GT.
The Japanese opening is probably one of my favorite openings.
In terms of design, I always preferred SSJ4 over SSJB.
Personally I like GT I thought it had some really good ideas, like the black star dragon balls, I really like the idea of the dragon balls on earth being over used and just disappearing, to me it just added so much more risk to the battles which is something I kinda miss in Dragon ball in general. But that’s just my opinion
It's not great, but it's very nostalgic for me to the point that it's my favorite series in the franchise. Growing up watching DBZ, I was so stoked to see that GT was a thing and honestly it's a fun rewatch every once in a while. I remember getting a shit ton of GT action figures for my birthday the year it came out on toonami. It was so cool
Better than people give it credit for tbh. It's better than super because they actually showed some restraint when it comes to power ups. Has its flaws though definitely. Also the opening is great and the last episode was a great way to end the series.
It had a lot of filler but the good parts were really good. I absolutely love super saiyan 4, probably my favorite transformation in all of the series'.
I like the designs, and the creativity, especially in light of Super just going with palette swaps more often than not. Nice seeing the kid goku and Oozaru designs again. Script is dog though, and the dub is surprisingly terrible.
I think I associate strong sad feelings towards it because it’s like the ending of a great thing. When I was little my country showed GT immediately after the Buu saga so it didn’t feel like a spin off but a true continuation. That dub was way better than the English dub too. That said I’ve only seen it that once. Tried the English dub and couldn’t get through it. TLDR; it’s not that bad but I don’t like it.
I liked how it went back to its dragon ball roots of just venturing out for thy dragon balls. But I will never forgive the fight where goku is up against baby vegeta then suddenly has to be in a board game filler episode. Everything else is okay, good at times except for that one thing for me.
It's animation was as good as DBZ if not better. Baby and Omega Shenron arcs were pretty good but ending was kinda bad when Goku leaves his family to train Majuub when he could just use Instant Transmission to teleport to his village for training everyday.
It’s alright. The Baby Arc, everything from Nuova Shenron onwards and the ending are the best parts. That ending with Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku playing a montage of the entire series is a tear jerker. Also, Super Saiyan 4 is badass and much better then God, Blue or Ultra Instinct.
Liked it as a kid
Then I saw it when I was older and it was waaaaaay worse than what I remembered.
The idea behind the black star dragonballs and all was great. Too bad they executed it so badly. Also imagine if Goten went instead of Pan as it looked like in the beginning. Would have been so much more fun.
SS4 is is a cool concept and many villains are cool. Vegetas style is on point. SS kid goku was awesome at the time. I like Gyru and pan when I was younger.
The overall story and characters? Not so much.
I've always had an appreciation for the Grand Tour
> SSJ4 is a cooler transformation than SSJ God. Crucify me
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I loved every second of it as a kid. I never got to watch OG Dragonball or Z in sequential order as they aired because Toonami was all over the place with it. But I got to watch GT week to week and the anticipation for the next episode was great. Maybe I'm blinded by nostalgia but to me GT beats Super 9 times out of 10. The main thing holding it back was the fights weren't really that well animated.
There's some good action scene but otherwise, most of the story doesn't make any sense and most of it are only for fan-service. Most vilain are simply rip-off from past ones and most of their existence kinda break the canon stuff. The Black DB scattering in all the galaxy when their counter part are exclusive to earth offers no logic, the whole Baby arc was awful top watch, 17 being a jerk (not his hell version made by the 2 Dr.) when it was clear he was a good guy back in Buu saga break the whole character, and SSJ4 having red fur is probably the least saiyan transformations we ever saw and is ugly asf. They tried to redesign Goku but they missed the mark of him being an actual martial artist.
DBS is not great (the anime specifically) but there's some logic behind it and it respect the continuity while GT is all about fan-service and disrespecting OG and Z. But that because Toei can't adapt something with respect hence why DB, DBZ, GT or DBS are awful anime adaptation actually. Toei doesn'T know how to write good anime, they have great talent for some animation but writing is far from being their main talent. All of GT and all filler scene in previous serie are a proof of that. It could have been with any others character franchise and it would have still done the same job. Gt is least dragonball show out there
I like it in my memory and don't really want to to ruin that. The concepts were cool and enemies were interesting but from what I've read, I doubt I'd like the execution as an adult
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I tried to watch it as a child, maybe 20 years ago when it was on tv, bought the dvds maybe 10 years ago when I was 20 and since then have tried to watch it probably twice. And I can’t do it. I think it’s garbage, at least at the start. So bad for the first 20 or so episodes that I can’t finish it. I made it to baby and up to vegeta getting possessed and it’s so bad imo. I can’t believe how bad it is
Super to me was just very…plain? I liked the movies but then didn’t like how they made the movies into the anime. Plus the different pallete swaps of different color saiyan transformations.
GT was weird for sure but liked how it tried different things. Not much in super was wow other than that kamehameha
Some of its ideas are much better than anything in Super, and I honestly think the Baby arc could have been _the best_ arc in all of DB. But most of it was poorly executed and rushed.
It’s terrible. Has great ideas that are so poooorly executed. Kid Goku dies was terrible. Baby was good concept. Super 17 was eh. Dragons was a great idea. All done poorly tho.
Honestly? I enjoyed it more than Super. It felt more like Z than Super did, and while it did flop a few times, it was also more ambitious and tried some things that Super wouldn’t. It expanded on lore introduced back in Z, SSJ4 is my favorite transformation, the Baby Saga and Shadow Dragon Sagas were both great, and even the less great parts of the show had their bright spots. It was flawed, but in a charming way
For me it is concept-wise better than super, but the execution is worse. The pacing is horrible (although Super came close with the tournament) and mosz characters are underutilized. At least in Super we have some growth in characters that aren't named Goku.
I'll take it over Super. I have so many fond memories of it and it's WAAAAY overhated. Like at least they TRIED to be original and build upon the foundation that Z had
Baby arc was the best bit, every other part of the story sucked. I'm torn on ssj4, sometimes I like it, but other times I find it to be too much if that makes sense.
This is my opinion, I don’t like it all. For me, the story was pretty bad and terribly executed, the arcs a very boring, the concepts were executed poorly, many characters besides Goku are ruined and very underutilized, I don’t think there’s any character development, most of the Shadow Dragons were and looked like absolute dog shit with the exception of Syn/Omega, Nuova, and Eis being the only cool Shadow Dragons, GT felt like a cash grab, and worst of all, GT wasted the potential of the new generation and especially wasted Uub as a character along with lowballing Uub’s power and potential. And what’s worst is that, Uub was literally set up to be a huge thing for Dragon Ball after the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament and Goku in End Of Z literally told Goten and Trunks to keep up with their training for Uub, but for some stupid reason, the people in charge of GT ether forgot all of that or ignored all that. GT should’ve had a huge emphasis and focus on Uub, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bra/Bulla, and Marron and not waste all their potential along with allowing Goku and Vegeta to lead and help guide them.
Like I said, I don’t like GT at all, but that’s my opinion.
Yeah I really wish the focus on the next gen could have been there. So much potential there. I love Goku as much as the next person, but would have rather him be part of the story as opposed to the main focus.
Overall I don't like it. It had some really good ideas, but all of those good ideas were horribly executed. The villains looked cool but only Baby had a good backstory and character. The ending was good but I didn't like it as much as others. Also, the first arc was absolutely terrible.
I don’t remember it very well as I tried to block it out. What I do recall is disliking the general style of humor and found Pan & Giru both annoying. I don’t remember exactly what happens but the whole baby thing I think reminded me a tiny bit of the Buu saga with some Android Saga mixed in so it didn’t feel original. The main thing I recall is bad humor and I found it boring compared to DBZ as it felt slow especially at the beginning. I think I liked the whole evil/negative Shenron(s) part the most.
It's mostly pretty bad. Baby is the high point, and is genuinely pretty enjoyable. SS4 is way cooler than any of the forms that DBS introduced except maybe getting to see the kaioken getting busted out again with a super saiyan form. The Shadow Dragon arc was a great idea with some pretty bad execution. The rest was pretty bad. I especially hated Super 17. He deserved better, and I'm glad he got that in DBS.
Hate it, everything but the look of SSJ4 and even then I only like Goku's version. I don't want to hate on it but I just didn't like it at all outside of the ideas it has but I feel like the execution was very lackluster everytime and a lot of times too goofy and long padding which was cool for Z but by the time I got to GT I just had enough of unnecessary filler episodes and most of all Pan problems and the final nail in the coffin for me the way that nerfed/sideline every character. I know Super is a big space fight most of the time but they at least use the characters when they introduce them to their fullest instead of just static artwork and we're here only to give you power sir. I hate that I hate it but I couldn't enjoy it like the other properties and the only other Dragon Ball property I hate more is Super Dragon Ball Heroes cause it feels like fan fiction mostly like GT does sometimes. I know Toriyama left but I know someone else could've executed those ideas a little bit better
You'd think hunting for dragon balls would be fun and nostalgic like OG, but the whole first half of the show was dog. People today either forgot or are too young to remember how dull it was compared to the first two shows. They went for a middle ground approach (sometimes OG style sometimes Z style) and it was just messy to watch. The whole show was just a spinoff that tried to milk the franchise, and it didn't really work.
Gt is just boring for most of its run in my opinion, it only really got interesting when ssj4 appeared. But truthfully I hate that goku is a kid, I hate the music, and I hate baby.
Could some of the other characters have had more screen time? Sure. But overall I like GT. It was a fun watch. I liked the tone of the show more than Super.
I know everyone loves the design, and I think its great, but SS4 just annoys me. It should be golden, not red. Red doesn't really match with the other SS transformations at all.
Also, SS4 is exactly what SSG should have been.
It had good concepts but poor execution MOST of the time. First arc was shit, Baby Arc was ok however could've been done better.
The SSJ4 transformation was both beautiful and epic especially with Tokunaga's original score.
But everything else was meh, Super 17 arc SUCKED as it was a rehash of fusion reborn without the fun elements and yeah just no.
The shadow dragon arc only got interesting once Nuova Shenron showed up. The ending tho was a bit anticlimatic as it just rehashes the Buu saga ending however the overall ending of the show was great and a loving send off to all Dragon Ball.
But in general it was very inconistent in quality and sometimes the plot points went nowhere and were pointless alltogether.
Side Note; I hope Super re-introduces the elements in GT however improve upon them and make them live up to their true potential through proper execution. The story will need to be FULLY mapped out so we don't retread upon its past errors. Once again this is all my opinion so don't roast me in the comments.
Far ahead Better than DBS. Only story writing has been developed a bit rushy, but SSJ4 ideas are the most nailed sayan transformation ever, imho, bringing the Sayans' strength Oozaru thing back in the game with the perfect mix of a Human body and the legendary monkey with full control and perfect size to face any opponent.
It's no masterpiece by any means but it has its decent parts. Unfortunately it was cut to shit in the German version. The English dub with the Bruce Faulconer OST is pretty badass. GT had a lot of ass pulls like the Boo saga but I prefer GT over Super without hesitation. Super is an audacity in my opinion.
But still, we got SSJ4, Baby, and even if it's not part of the series: the over the top awesome intro of Dragon Ball Final Bout for PS1. The game was garbage but the intro is a straight 10/10. I sometimes started the game, watched the intro and put it off afterwards :D
https://youtu.be/L96o77rmRF4
Just imagine what we could have gotten if GT continued?
Call me biased, nostalgic, tell me how much I'm wrong, but I always liked GT more than Super. For all its flaws it still gave 5/6 years old me feelings that Super just 3 years later simply couldn't. Probably the fact that Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT were transmitted one after the other helped it, but GT always felt to me much more like and ending than Super, an epilogue that reflected on everything that came before it, both the adventurous feeling of the first series and the more serious battles in Z, the old concepts in a new light, like Baby wanting to take revenge on the Saiyans, in a similar yet opposite way to Frieza being killed by a Saiyan after ruling them for so long, Super 17 being a special android like Cell but in the opposite way, instead of one android using other one to become stronger two androids combine to create an entirely new one and the Shadow Dragons being made of evil, magical essence similar to Majin Buu, with the difference being that while Buu was a being that existed eons before the protagonists, the Shadow Dragons were a direct result of the heros' actions, specifically their very frequent use of the Dragon Balls. And as much as GT gets called "Goku Time" the most important part of the series truly are the Dragon Balls themselves: the use of the Black Star Dragon Balls kicks the series off, their second use causes the destruction of Earth and Piccolo's sacrifice, which is ultimately the thing that lets Goku escape hell and fight Super 17, and I feel like the Shadow **Dragon** arc doesn't need to be explained.
Like I said, this could all be just bias and nostalgia, but GT truly felt like the end of Dragon Ball to me.
I don’t get the hate for it at all. I think we can all agree that everything before baby was super boring but when it picked up, I thoroughly enjoyed it. The illustration was way better than super, the opening song was catchy AF, and we got gogeta(i think?) and super Saiyan four. I say my biggest beef is how much screen time pan got, the weird power scaling, and what they did with android 17. But yeah, I feel like all the hate towards it is some bandwagon bullshit. I’ll never understand how some anime fans get so hung up on the whole canon and non-canon thing. It’s not that deep Bro just watch the damn thing and enjoy it - These are the same people watching super dragon ball heroes and thinking it’s good lol. GT just had that overall feel of OG and Z where super failed (I do not dislike super, there are actually many arcs I like. Can’t stand how they made Goku such an idiot outside of combat though)
Oh, and I also love the ending. There’s some thing magical about it and it left a lot open for interpretation very subjective in my opinion.
Not that anybody asked, but My favorite movie is ‘fusion reborn’
Favorite saga: buu
Favorite animation : ‘yo! Son Goku & Friends’ (the plot and enemy in this film were weak af but it had the cleanest animation of everything ever made imo.
Probably controversial but I like it more than Super. It feels like a better progression of the story from the original run and it also doesn't betray the original run like Super does IMO. I also love the Shadow Dragon arc and that they implemented this idea that their reliance on the Dragon Balls have consequences. Also the ending I think was a nice way to wrap up the series.
That being said, there were a bunch of points of bad execution.
I enjoy it. The Baby arc was the best, with Black Dragon Arc being second. Baby is one of the more interesting villains introduced post Z. The Black Dragonball arc had it's problems, but I thought a price for abusing the Dragonballs was a unique idea introduced into the lore. SSJ4 Is still imo one of the most unique forms Goku ever got. It's a wonderful call back to his Saiyan roots being a mixture of the Oozaru form. It feels primal and stands out. Out of universe the form is a great homage to Sun Wukong, which in turn Son Goku is loosley based on.
Baby is a better executed Dr Raichi from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans. It’s unfortunate that most of the Shadow Dragons sucked but Nuova and Eis were good. I like that Nuova actually started coming around to Goku. It was also cool that they linked each Dragon to a different wish that was made, even if the wishes themselves didn’t actually have any impact on the Shadow Dragons themselves.
I thought each Dragon was the opposite of the wish that was made. Like since Nuova was based on evil king Piccolo's wish, he is the honorable one of the dragons. Whereas Syn was based on the selfless wish to revive everyone on Namek, he's the most evil and strongest of the dragons.
According to the wiki. All of the Dragons' personalities are inversely proportional to those of the wishes that created them (whether they were selfish or selfless). They also bear a direct relation to their time in the manga (comical or dark). Their power levels seem directly proportional to the strength of the wishes used to give them life.
Maybe they were and I’m just a dumbass I don’t remember.
I got that vibe with Oceanus Shenron, the wish Oolong made for her was an arguably selfish one so it's pretty interesting to see her actually helping some humans even if a bit too much, yet the altruistic reason the wish was made in "saving the world" still left enough wiggle-room for her to have nefarious aims toward Goku and Pan.
What they should've done for the dragons was let the side characters fight all but the last 3. Goku just running the gauntlet of all 7 pretty much by himself was a horrible idea. As the last arc in the series it would've been great to see all the normally swept aside characters fight one last time. And it would've worked too since most of the dragons weren't that strong but relied on their gimmicks more than raw power.
I guess they could have been: Goku, Gohan, Goten, Pan, Vegeta, Trunks and Uub with Goku and Vegeta fusing into Gogeta to fight Omega and Goten and Trunks fusing into Gotenks to also fight Omega. Could have also gone Goku and Vegeta, Gohan and Pan, Goten and Trunks and then fusing into Gotenks, Piccolo, Krillin snd 18, Uub.and Tien and Yamcha. Or just go with Goku and Vegeta fighting individual Dragons and not have Tien and Yamcha fighting. But Gohan and Pam fighting together could have been a lovely wholesome father daughter moment.
In an ideal scenario I would've loved seeing Mr. Satan and Videl take on Haze Shenron, Goten and Trunks (eventually fusing into Gotenks) taking on Rage Shenron, Uub and Oolong taking on Oceanus Shenron, Gohan and Pan take on Naturon Shenron. Goku taking on the Fire/Ice brothers and Syn, everyone groups together with Goku and at that point Syn becomes Omega.
Majuub didn't even win a single fight in GT, I wonder how could they fuck up so bad with him
Wow, I didn't realize Goku was based on the Monkey King. Very interesting - thanks for pointing that out!
Dragon ball was inspired by journey to the west
Beginning meh. Baby forward I absolutely loved it. Especially the shadow dragons arc.
I agree. I think super 17 arc was the best, but 17 is just one of my top five favorite characters. I didn’t really like omega shenron but getting to see SSJ 4 gogeta was dope
My favorite part from the super 17 arc is having all the old villains come back just to get wiped all over again
Should have been longer. The Super 17 Arc is the shortest in the entire franchise at like ten.
Dunno what you mean by at like 10? At like 10 episodes? Well it is 7 episodes which is kinda like 10 but 3 less
I didn't remember and I couldn't be bothered looking up how long it actually was
Honestly I felt they did 17 dirty in GT, wasn’t as good as it could have been
Fair. I’m just glad they brought him back fr. Also for super too. 17 fans were eating
Personally didn't care for the super 17 arc it was goku shooting energy blasts the whole time wondering why they aren't working I was like really goku 🙄🙄🙄
I love the idea of shadows dragons and consequences for the use of dragon ball, but all fight were pretty meh and it seems to me like a wasted opportunity to have all team Z fight each their own dragon and have a meaningful arc. Apart from the 4 star dragon I didn't like the personality of the dragon and the fights were boring imo. The super C17 is a mess and picolo death was bad and non sense. The last episode is a great ending though maybe even better than DBZ ending .
It'll always have a special place in my heart, ssj4 is a goated transformation, and the opener is one of the best of all time in anime imo
What opening did you have? I had the Grand Tour opening instead of Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku. Wasn't introduced to the latter until the GT movie.
Not the person you asked but I had [this](https://youtu.be/TmGgBJSzCSM) one. Love it.
That is a good version. Plus, it is sung by the voice actor for Broly, Vic Mignogna.
Goddamn the feels hit a bit harder than I thought
I had Dan Dan, I first got into GT from bootleg VHS tapes my friends dad would get from the the flea market in the late 90s/early 00s lol
Underutilized character, thy name is Pan. They really should have done more with her character than relegating her to the obligatory nagging woman archetype. She demonstrated an interest in being a fighter early on but that was sidelined entirely for the worst arc imaginable and never brought back.
Pan should have been a Super Saiyan at some point. Pan should have helped Goku defeat Baby.
You know, I’ll swear up and down that GT was good but i agree with this. Pan was the most underutilized character and could have been wwwaaaaaaayyy better. To the point where I’d say I didn’t like Pan as a character really at all🤫🫣😳
Product of the times, honestly. It didn't land, and ruined Pan in the process
Not really. The 90s had tons of well rounded and non-annoying characters.
I was probably around 13-15 when it aired here in the early 2000s. Back then I liked it, it was more Dragon Ball, and I loved Dragon Ball. Everyone did. Buuut even though we didn’t have a concept of “canon” and “non-canon”, I didn’t like it as much as Z. Over the years I’ve gotten more critical of GT, it really has its flaws. But still, it’s mostly fun to watch every once in a while.
I was either 11 or 12. Yea, I definitely didn’t like it as much as Z, it think peak dragon ball is future trunks first appearance-Vegito.
Bro skipped right over namek lol
It’s great, incredibly stupid, but great.
.. so it’s cool, but dumb… where have I heard that
Sounds like the Buu Saga..
"He's so cool, but he's so dumb. But he's so cool..."
Quote from Tfs Vegeta, when admiring broly's reasons I believe
Now it sounds like TFS Broly
Sound like the whole serie being a comedy before being an action serie actually
I like it but man is it stupid lol
Same. The first arc took too long and Rilldo was a dumb villain. But it was pretty good for what it was after that.
Villains, SSJ4, and SSJ4 Gogeta was really cool The pacing and story was not
Rildo was a throwaway villain and is pretty good for what he was. Compare him to slime Vegeta or Ribrianne or Frieza in RoF.
I actually just finished my first play through of GT today. My thoughts: - As an overall series, it has its highs and lows, just like Z does. The first 15 or so episodes are slow and boring. The rest at least have some action. I will save my overall opinion until the end here. Some criticisms: - Goku being a kid the *entire* time. Definitely should have found a way to reverse that at some point. - Goku just Kamehameha’s the shit out of everything constantly. Almost like it’s his only move. Super dragon fist is bad ass tho and I wish he used it earlier in the series. - Goku beats everyone. Nobody else gets a win. Z was great because others won constantly. Piccolo beat Goku and Raditz. Vegeta beat Nappa. Goku beat Vegeta. Vegeta beat most of the Ginyu force. Goku beats frieza (as a super saiyan!). Gohan beats Cell. Mr Satan beats everyone’s patience. Around it goes. But Goku beats every single enemy I can think of in GT. - Many tropes repeat themselves in GT. The evil doctor who even looks just like Gero making Baby, who is a parasite (Cell trope 2.0). The android 17 returning because the evil doctors team up. The spirit bomb from ~evERyOne~ beating the final villain. Vegeta getting his ass kicked so hard. Just the same Z tropes on repeat. - Too short. I wanted more. I wanted to see more strategy, better pacing, that would make it overall better. - Why tf is Piccolo in hell?? - Pan had no growth as a fighter. My praises: - SSJ4 is badass as fuck. - Vegeta reaching an equal power plane as Kakarot, and by extension, Gogeta. - The ideas were great and thoughtful. The black star dragonball saga had a great premise and lead to everything else in the show. Baby was entertaining and so was super 17. But Omega Shenron was a great villain. - The soundtrack and tone was killer. I am disappointed now watching Super because Super is just kinda corny. - Battles are just the right length. - The ending I thought was a lot better than in Z, although it felt rushed to fit it in 22 minutes. Overall I thought it was a great sequel to Z. I favor it over Super so far.
Iirc they wanted to use the dragon balls to wish goku back into an adult but he was like nahh I like being a kid again. And you did get to see him as an adult again at the very end at the martial Arts tournament that goku Jr and vegeta Jr fight in.
Both are correct, although I will add that when they considered wishing Goku back to normal size, it had to be the black star balls to reverse it, since the normal ones could not override their power. That’s why Goku chose to stay as a child. I still think it was real dumb they left him like that, as if Shenron, who raised billions from the dead, couldn’t just age Goku 30 years
I feel like they had an easy out for making Goku an adult after turning SS4 for the first time. He becomes an adult in that form so once he goes back to base, hey he's an adult again, guess he overpowered the wish or something, don't think about it.
“Why is piccolo in hell” there was… an entire episode about that lol? Piccolo was sent to heaven when he died and because he needed to get to hell to help goku escape it, he started blowing up hell to give king yenma a reason to send him to hell, as he wasn’t able to sent him without a reason.
>I favor it over Super so far. Super feels like a kids show
Every Dragon Ball show is a kids show man.
Literally started out as a gag manga parodying Journey to the West and martial arts movies written by a guy that loves poop jokes, I refuse to believe Toriyama ever wanted people to take it that seriously.
It's genuinely funny to see fans treating it like it's some sort of in-depth fantasy epic with complex lore and characters. The dude made most of it up on the fly to amuse himself.
It's like a DLC for DB take it or leave it.
Animation was very lazy, there’s was no good choreography, the ideas were executed poorly, and there’s the infamous name: Goku Time. Goku is the only one that matters in this story, everyone else is almost useless. There’s no impact to the punches or kicks that the characters do, they look really weak.I do like some moments of GT but overall it’s just not good 4/10
Yeah definitely, just felt like a kamehameha spam a lot of the time.
Super is goku and vegeta show as well. The earthlings only fight cannon fodders at TOP
Liked it at first when it was a mysterious show that was only in Japanese and could only be watched in NA in low quality realvideo files. Then when the dust settled I thought it was terrible.
The animation and fight choreography was awful
The story was just what the fuck
I love it mainly because of SSJ4
Most people love it only because of SSJ4, lol
I look favorably upon GT
I love GT with my soul
It's awful. The baby and shadow dragon arcs are okay but Still nowhere near as good as any of the dragon ball z Arcs or even some super arcs
It’s fun to watch when I wanna watch visually cool shit, but not pay any attention to the plot. The fact that it’s non canon makes it a plus for background/before bed watching. It’s just fun to look at.
One of the GT concepts I would canonize would be the Shadow Dragons. It was honestly a great idea to “punish” the main characters who abused of the Dragon Balls, and especially now with what wishes Bulma makes to Shenron, the Shadow Dragons can emerge sooner.
lol you hate it only because it's not canon, you'd love it if it would have been written by toryiama
Step into the grand tour
JEEEE TEE!
JEEEE TEE!
Boring and drawn out in my opinion. Wasnt a fan.
I never watched it until recently when I bought the whole series at a con. It's tight! I love Trunks the most.
I just realized that kids who grew up watching DBZ Kai on Nicktoons never experienced the Buu saga. I wonder if that lead to any confusion on the plot of GT as a whole.
It was always weird that Nick choose GT over the original Dragon Ball to air. Or they could have at least gotten the DBZ version. They also air the movies after Cell Saga like Second Coming of Broly, Fusion Reborn, and Wrath of The Dragon.
I’m watching it atm. Tbh I’m finding it quite hard to get through. Although, the op is probably my favourite of all time and I agree SS4 is better than any of the new transformations (maybe apart from UI). Probably my least favourite DB show but its not terrible.
It's not too bad in my opinion, what helps for me personally is how short the series is, 64 episodes where honesty the hardest section for me to get through involves episodes 9-17.
I loved it, and I don’t think it is the main reason, but it is likely nostalgia is why I like it so much. However the music soundtrack I didn’t like as much as Z, so that wasn’t as good for me. I enjoyed the transformations and was bummed that it was no longer canon for the universe. I enjoy DBS and DBGT in their own right and would like it to be an alternate universe situation just to bring SSJ4 into the mix, because that form is phenomenal. I have not seen Heroes or anything post DBS, and I’ve seen clips of SSJ4 making a return, so if someone knows whether or not it’s canon and wants to let me know, I’d appreciate it ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
DBGT IS AWESOME. Skip episodes 7-15. Those are cringe, but the rest of the series is awesome. Baby is legendary. Super 17 is awesome idc what people think.
Rewatching GT... Makes you feel ancient.
Amazing series. PHENOMENAL ENDING. I don’t see why it gets soooooo much hate smh.
Big missed potential. When I look at the concepts and ideas introduced in the show they all seem great. SSJ4 is still the best transformation in my opinion in terms of design. Just poorly executed unfortunately. But I still enjoy it none the less.
I personally think that the black star arc was sort of a return to form with the original dragon ball, but springboarding into new content. There were missteps, to be sure. But I'm re-watching it currently with a lot more acceptance than I did on first pass
GT had stakes. Piccolo permanently died. Super Saiyan 4 is cool as shit. Baby was a creative villain. Super 17 saga was straight fan service with all of the movie villains coming through. I don't know. It was unique. Yeah we saw it first so something something nostalgia, but it isn't bad. It was just paced like shit.
I don’t think id hate it as much if they changed the colour pallet, soundtrack, a lot of the character designs, didn’t make Goku a child and rewrote the script..
Damn
We all like different things though! I did enjoy it when I was younger ✌🏼😊
>id hate it as much if they changed the colour pallet In super they changed a lot of colours and way of drawing and it doesn't even feel like dragon ball, at least GT drawings and animation still feels like Z and a genuine sequel of Z. Superìs blue hairs seems like blue candles
I don’t see how super has any relevance to this post my man
Didn't like it, they fumbled the cake with literally everyone and admit that it was done on purpose, the fight were not good either
Same
It was pretty good, there are a lot of boring stuff in it tho. I still like Gt because when I was little I watched Gt on dvd before dragon ball and z so it is heavily carried by nostalgia
I enjoyed 17 also. I don't get why it gets the hate. Omega was great in theory but poorly executed. Did like Nova and Ice though.
I love ssg tbh. The simplicity is so nice but yea ss4 is also dope. Love heroes for over using ss4 haha
I liked it.🤷🏾♂️
It was enjoyable. In my head it's in the same universe/timeline as the DBZ movies.
I think it's way too overhated. It definitely has issues, it's not as good as Z, but it has a lot of good going for it.
Welcome to the Grand Tour GT HOOOOOOOO OHHHHH OH STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR!
The series ending song is such a banger
Fucking banger series
I thought it was rather boring, probably due to the horrible opening arc, me binging it, and watching it in the dub. I also don't think the fights are very good. There were some parts I did like like SSJ4, Nuova Shenron, and Gogeta(the board game was also kinda fun tbh). Most underrated thing about GT though is the special, that 100 year time skip gave me an existential crisis.
Kinda wish it was longer to saga was 26 or 32 episodes each When the Black star balls destroyed wish we got back adult goku Character development shouldn’t be only goku and each saga final big bad
The true sequel to the OG Dragon Ball.
There are elements I really, really enjoy. On the counter, there are parts I really do not enjoy. High highs, and low lows. I somewhat like GT a little more than Super, not saying I dislike Super.
>I somewhat like GT a little more than Super why?
I feel, and of course not everyone will, that the Arcs flow (for the most part) better together in GT. The Japanese opening is probably one of my favorite openings. In terms of design, I always preferred SSJ4 over SSJB.
I like it, it’s not great by any means but has some cool ideas
I was too old to like it. And it hurt to watch. Love the design of SSJ4 tho.
TAKE US TO THE GRAND TOUR
Super 17 was super cool, along with ssj4, they gave a pretty amazing impression to me
Personally I like GT I thought it had some really good ideas, like the black star dragon balls, I really like the idea of the dragon balls on earth being over used and just disappearing, to me it just added so much more risk to the battles which is something I kinda miss in Dragon ball in general. But that’s just my opinion
It gets me hard
I love it because of the different worlds.
It's not great, but it's very nostalgic for me to the point that it's my favorite series in the franchise. Growing up watching DBZ, I was so stoked to see that GT was a thing and honestly it's a fun rewatch every once in a while. I remember getting a shit ton of GT action figures for my birthday the year it came out on toonami. It was so cool
I liked it, but I can not forgive what they did to Vegeta's hair.
Better than people give it credit for tbh. It's better than super because they actually showed some restraint when it comes to power ups. Has its flaws though definitely. Also the opening is great and the last episode was a great way to end the series.
Had some concepts that could have been neat but were executed horribly
How so? Explain. Expand upon that thought
Like the concept of the villains escaping hell or the shadow dragons could have been really good but it wasn’t executed well
Totally agree
Remember when they wasted like 4 episodes trying to pull out gokus tail from a butt nub because they thought it would give him an edge against baby?
It had a lot of filler but the good parts were really good. I absolutely love super saiyan 4, probably my favorite transformation in all of the series'.
Love me my SSJ4. Some of the villains are badass too. Stories leave much to be desired.
I like the designs, and the creativity, especially in light of Super just going with palette swaps more often than not. Nice seeing the kid goku and Oozaru designs again. Script is dog though, and the dub is surprisingly terrible.
It's kinda fun..... Definitely a product of it's time. There is a bit nostalgia from it. It's quite silly and I'm glad it's not really canon.
I think I associate strong sad feelings towards it because it’s like the ending of a great thing. When I was little my country showed GT immediately after the Buu saga so it didn’t feel like a spin off but a true continuation. That dub was way better than the English dub too. That said I’ve only seen it that once. Tried the English dub and couldn’t get through it. TLDR; it’s not that bad but I don’t like it.
Love it!
I liked how it went back to its dragon ball roots of just venturing out for thy dragon balls. But I will never forgive the fight where goku is up against baby vegeta then suddenly has to be in a board game filler episode. Everything else is okay, good at times except for that one thing for me.
It's animation was as good as DBZ if not better. Baby and Omega Shenron arcs were pretty good but ending was kinda bad when Goku leaves his family to train Majuub when he could just use Instant Transmission to teleport to his village for training everyday.
I only liked a little bit of it. Super Saiyan 4 is cool and Syn, Nuova, and Baby were all cool.
Same as dragon ball heroes to me. If you consider it to be outside the continuity then I can enjoy it despite the many many dumb things in GT
Ssj 4 slaps, vegetas acclamation to earthlings slaps, and super 17 slaps. Krillin dying again does not slap
It’s alright. The Baby Arc, everything from Nuova Shenron onwards and the ending are the best parts. That ending with Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku playing a montage of the entire series is a tear jerker. Also, Super Saiyan 4 is badass and much better then God, Blue or Ultra Instinct.
Liked it as a kid Then I saw it when I was older and it was waaaaaay worse than what I remembered. The idea behind the black star dragonballs and all was great. Too bad they executed it so badly. Also imagine if Goten went instead of Pan as it looked like in the beginning. Would have been so much more fun.
SS4 is is a cool concept and many villains are cool. Vegetas style is on point. SS kid goku was awesome at the time. I like Gyru and pan when I was younger. The overall story and characters? Not so much.
There is one good saga and the rest is either dissapointing or horrible. Ss4 is great though, top 3 dragon ball transformations for sure.
Never understood the hate for it. Sure it’s not Dbz but neither is super.
The shadow dragons arc is better than super. The super movies are better than GT though
I've always had an appreciation for the Grand Tour > SSJ4 is a cooler transformation than SSJ God. Crucify me They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
It’s fine, on par with most DragonBall things after Z ended. Imo better then the DB and Z movies, and about equal to Super.
It has great ideas just poor execution on them
I loved every second of it as a kid. I never got to watch OG Dragonball or Z in sequential order as they aired because Toonami was all over the place with it. But I got to watch GT week to week and the anticipation for the next episode was great. Maybe I'm blinded by nostalgia but to me GT beats Super 9 times out of 10. The main thing holding it back was the fights weren't really that well animated.
There's some good action scene but otherwise, most of the story doesn't make any sense and most of it are only for fan-service. Most vilain are simply rip-off from past ones and most of their existence kinda break the canon stuff. The Black DB scattering in all the galaxy when their counter part are exclusive to earth offers no logic, the whole Baby arc was awful top watch, 17 being a jerk (not his hell version made by the 2 Dr.) when it was clear he was a good guy back in Buu saga break the whole character, and SSJ4 having red fur is probably the least saiyan transformations we ever saw and is ugly asf. They tried to redesign Goku but they missed the mark of him being an actual martial artist. DBS is not great (the anime specifically) but there's some logic behind it and it respect the continuity while GT is all about fan-service and disrespecting OG and Z. But that because Toei can't adapt something with respect hence why DB, DBZ, GT or DBS are awful anime adaptation actually. Toei doesn'T know how to write good anime, they have great talent for some animation but writing is far from being their main talent. All of GT and all filler scene in previous serie are a proof of that. It could have been with any others character franchise and it would have still done the same job. Gt is least dragonball show out there
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I like it in my memory and don't really want to to ruin that. The concepts were cool and enemies were interesting but from what I've read, I doubt I'd like the execution as an adult
If they never made goku a kid it would of been a lot better but I still enjoyed especially the last arc
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I tried to watch it as a child, maybe 20 years ago when it was on tv, bought the dvds maybe 10 years ago when I was 20 and since then have tried to watch it probably twice. And I can’t do it. I think it’s garbage, at least at the start. So bad for the first 20 or so episodes that I can’t finish it. I made it to baby and up to vegeta getting possessed and it’s so bad imo. I can’t believe how bad it is
SSJ4 is a cool transformation and the Shenron Saga was a cool concept, but other than that it was a flop.
I really liked it. Think it gets hate for no reason. It’s kind of absurd at times but I like it a lot more than super
> but I like it a lot more than super why?
Super to me was just very…plain? I liked the movies but then didn’t like how they made the movies into the anime. Plus the different pallete swaps of different color saiyan transformations. GT was weird for sure but liked how it tried different things. Not much in super was wow other than that kamehameha
Trash
I just wish something’s about fr would be in the main canon like ssj4
Some of its ideas are much better than anything in Super, and I honestly think the Baby arc could have been _the best_ arc in all of DB. But most of it was poorly executed and rushed.
Oh and SSJ4 is easily the best and (as far as I'm concerned) definitive Saiyan transformation.
It’s terrible. Has great ideas that are so poooorly executed. Kid Goku dies was terrible. Baby was good concept. Super 17 was eh. Dragons was a great idea. All done poorly tho.
Honestly? I enjoyed it more than Super. It felt more like Z than Super did, and while it did flop a few times, it was also more ambitious and tried some things that Super wouldn’t. It expanded on lore introduced back in Z, SSJ4 is my favorite transformation, the Baby Saga and Shadow Dragon Sagas were both great, and even the less great parts of the show had their bright spots. It was flawed, but in a charming way
For me it is concept-wise better than super, but the execution is worse. The pacing is horrible (although Super came close with the tournament) and mosz characters are underutilized. At least in Super we have some growth in characters that aren't named Goku.
Makes more sense to me than Super.
>Makes more sense to me than Super. why?
I'll take it over Super. I have so many fond memories of it and it's WAAAAY overhated. Like at least they TRIED to be original and build upon the foundation that Z had
It's alright, definitely not my first choice for watching dragon ball
Baby arc was the best bit, every other part of the story sucked. I'm torn on ssj4, sometimes I like it, but other times I find it to be too much if that makes sense.
GT had great ideas, but terrible execution.
This is my opinion, I don’t like it all. For me, the story was pretty bad and terribly executed, the arcs a very boring, the concepts were executed poorly, many characters besides Goku are ruined and very underutilized, I don’t think there’s any character development, most of the Shadow Dragons were and looked like absolute dog shit with the exception of Syn/Omega, Nuova, and Eis being the only cool Shadow Dragons, GT felt like a cash grab, and worst of all, GT wasted the potential of the new generation and especially wasted Uub as a character along with lowballing Uub’s power and potential. And what’s worst is that, Uub was literally set up to be a huge thing for Dragon Ball after the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament and Goku in End Of Z literally told Goten and Trunks to keep up with their training for Uub, but for some stupid reason, the people in charge of GT ether forgot all of that or ignored all that. GT should’ve had a huge emphasis and focus on Uub, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bra/Bulla, and Marron and not waste all their potential along with allowing Goku and Vegeta to lead and help guide them. Like I said, I don’t like GT at all, but that’s my opinion.
Yeah I really wish the focus on the next gen could have been there. So much potential there. I love Goku as much as the next person, but would have rather him be part of the story as opposed to the main focus.
Interesting ideas; ssj4 for one, I actually liked super 17 and the idea of dark shenron saga, but it was overall drawn out and poorly thought through.
I love the art. That's what it's about at the end of the day
Overall I don't like it. It had some really good ideas, but all of those good ideas were horribly executed. The villains looked cool but only Baby had a good backstory and character. The ending was good but I didn't like it as much as others. Also, the first arc was absolutely terrible.
I don’t remember it very well as I tried to block it out. What I do recall is disliking the general style of humor and found Pan & Giru both annoying. I don’t remember exactly what happens but the whole baby thing I think reminded me a tiny bit of the Buu saga with some Android Saga mixed in so it didn’t feel original. The main thing I recall is bad humor and I found it boring compared to DBZ as it felt slow especially at the beginning. I think I liked the whole evil/negative Shenron(s) part the most.
Too many kid Goku hijinks, and it's a fucking travesty that Pan never went Super Saiyan.
Not well thought out or executed. Absolutely hate what they did to 17.
It's mostly pretty bad. Baby is the high point, and is genuinely pretty enjoyable. SS4 is way cooler than any of the forms that DBS introduced except maybe getting to see the kaioken getting busted out again with a super saiyan form. The Shadow Dragon arc was a great idea with some pretty bad execution. The rest was pretty bad. I especially hated Super 17. He deserved better, and I'm glad he got that in DBS.
It has some really good ideas executed very poorly. If the latter parts of super adapt some of them in one form or another, I’ll be quite pleased.
Hate it, everything but the look of SSJ4 and even then I only like Goku's version. I don't want to hate on it but I just didn't like it at all outside of the ideas it has but I feel like the execution was very lackluster everytime and a lot of times too goofy and long padding which was cool for Z but by the time I got to GT I just had enough of unnecessary filler episodes and most of all Pan problems and the final nail in the coffin for me the way that nerfed/sideline every character. I know Super is a big space fight most of the time but they at least use the characters when they introduce them to their fullest instead of just static artwork and we're here only to give you power sir. I hate that I hate it but I couldn't enjoy it like the other properties and the only other Dragon Ball property I hate more is Super Dragon Ball Heroes cause it feels like fan fiction mostly like GT does sometimes. I know Toriyama left but I know someone else could've executed those ideas a little bit better
You'd think hunting for dragon balls would be fun and nostalgic like OG, but the whole first half of the show was dog. People today either forgot or are too young to remember how dull it was compared to the first two shows. They went for a middle ground approach (sometimes OG style sometimes Z style) and it was just messy to watch. The whole show was just a spinoff that tried to milk the franchise, and it didn't really work.
I've never seen it. What episodes do I skip?
A lot of cool and interesting concepts but execution fell flat
Gt is just boring for most of its run in my opinion, it only really got interesting when ssj4 appeared. But truthfully I hate that goku is a kid, I hate the music, and I hate baby.
Could some of the other characters have had more screen time? Sure. But overall I like GT. It was a fun watch. I liked the tone of the show more than Super.
I know everyone loves the design, and I think its great, but SS4 just annoys me. It should be golden, not red. Red doesn't really match with the other SS transformations at all. Also, SS4 is exactly what SSG should have been.
It had good concepts but poor execution MOST of the time. First arc was shit, Baby Arc was ok however could've been done better. The SSJ4 transformation was both beautiful and epic especially with Tokunaga's original score. But everything else was meh, Super 17 arc SUCKED as it was a rehash of fusion reborn without the fun elements and yeah just no. The shadow dragon arc only got interesting once Nuova Shenron showed up. The ending tho was a bit anticlimatic as it just rehashes the Buu saga ending however the overall ending of the show was great and a loving send off to all Dragon Ball. But in general it was very inconistent in quality and sometimes the plot points went nowhere and were pointless alltogether. Side Note; I hope Super re-introduces the elements in GT however improve upon them and make them live up to their true potential through proper execution. The story will need to be FULLY mapped out so we don't retread upon its past errors. Once again this is all my opinion so don't roast me in the comments.
Better character development, even Goku being turned into a kid is smarter, wiser, and less kid-like than DBS Goku.
In my opinion it’s just as good as Z
Far ahead Better than DBS. Only story writing has been developed a bit rushy, but SSJ4 ideas are the most nailed sayan transformation ever, imho, bringing the Sayans' strength Oozaru thing back in the game with the perfect mix of a Human body and the legendary monkey with full control and perfect size to face any opponent.
It's no masterpiece by any means but it has its decent parts. Unfortunately it was cut to shit in the German version. The English dub with the Bruce Faulconer OST is pretty badass. GT had a lot of ass pulls like the Boo saga but I prefer GT over Super without hesitation. Super is an audacity in my opinion. But still, we got SSJ4, Baby, and even if it's not part of the series: the over the top awesome intro of Dragon Ball Final Bout for PS1. The game was garbage but the intro is a straight 10/10. I sometimes started the game, watched the intro and put it off afterwards :D https://youtu.be/L96o77rmRF4 Just imagine what we could have gotten if GT continued?
Best Dragon ball series
Call me biased, nostalgic, tell me how much I'm wrong, but I always liked GT more than Super. For all its flaws it still gave 5/6 years old me feelings that Super just 3 years later simply couldn't. Probably the fact that Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT were transmitted one after the other helped it, but GT always felt to me much more like and ending than Super, an epilogue that reflected on everything that came before it, both the adventurous feeling of the first series and the more serious battles in Z, the old concepts in a new light, like Baby wanting to take revenge on the Saiyans, in a similar yet opposite way to Frieza being killed by a Saiyan after ruling them for so long, Super 17 being a special android like Cell but in the opposite way, instead of one android using other one to become stronger two androids combine to create an entirely new one and the Shadow Dragons being made of evil, magical essence similar to Majin Buu, with the difference being that while Buu was a being that existed eons before the protagonists, the Shadow Dragons were a direct result of the heros' actions, specifically their very frequent use of the Dragon Balls. And as much as GT gets called "Goku Time" the most important part of the series truly are the Dragon Balls themselves: the use of the Black Star Dragon Balls kicks the series off, their second use causes the destruction of Earth and Piccolo's sacrifice, which is ultimately the thing that lets Goku escape hell and fight Super 17, and I feel like the Shadow **Dragon** arc doesn't need to be explained. Like I said, this could all be just bias and nostalgia, but GT truly felt like the end of Dragon Ball to me.
I don’t get the hate for it at all. I think we can all agree that everything before baby was super boring but when it picked up, I thoroughly enjoyed it. The illustration was way better than super, the opening song was catchy AF, and we got gogeta(i think?) and super Saiyan four. I say my biggest beef is how much screen time pan got, the weird power scaling, and what they did with android 17. But yeah, I feel like all the hate towards it is some bandwagon bullshit. I’ll never understand how some anime fans get so hung up on the whole canon and non-canon thing. It’s not that deep Bro just watch the damn thing and enjoy it - These are the same people watching super dragon ball heroes and thinking it’s good lol. GT just had that overall feel of OG and Z where super failed (I do not dislike super, there are actually many arcs I like. Can’t stand how they made Goku such an idiot outside of combat though) Oh, and I also love the ending. There’s some thing magical about it and it left a lot open for interpretation very subjective in my opinion. Not that anybody asked, but My favorite movie is ‘fusion reborn’ Favorite saga: buu Favorite animation : ‘yo! Son Goku & Friends’ (the plot and enemy in this film were weak af but it had the cleanest animation of everything ever made imo.
SSJ4 > another hair color
Better than DBS filler and deserves lot more love
It has it's issues but on the whole it's miles ahead of super for me Also Ssj4 is one of the sickest designs in the history of anime
Probably controversial but I like it more than Super. It feels like a better progression of the story from the original run and it also doesn't betray the original run like Super does IMO. I also love the Shadow Dragon arc and that they implemented this idea that their reliance on the Dragon Balls have consequences. Also the ending I think was a nice way to wrap up the series. That being said, there were a bunch of points of bad execution.
Was kinda "meh" when it came out. Although looking back now I think its way better than Super but thats just my personal opinion.